What do you see as problems with the current creative team on Uncanny and Legacy?

[drwho]

I have been reading many solicits for the future and interviews and find some of the storylines coming up pretty laughable. As I said I have dropped the main x-books else where. A major problem that I still see is it looks like the juice is running out of some of the writers in the imagination department.

For example using knock off names as The Sisterhood of Evil Mutants and the Hellfire Cult Those names just come off to me as something we would see used on a bad comedy sketch clip from Mad Tv.

What other problems do you all see with the creative teams?

[Josef F.]

I have a problem with you.

[Beast]

Given you've dropped the main X-Books, why do you care so much?

You're going by solicits and prejudging stuff simply by what you percieve as knockoff names.

Proving once again the worst thing to happen to comics was the internet.

[drwho]

I just want to hear the opinions of others. That is all.

[frog]

I just want to hear the opinions of others. That is all.

You just did.

[Fatguy]

Honestly, I'm liking most of what the creative teams of the X-Books have to offer. I'm not exactly glowing with praise for Young X-Men and Cable, but I'm not dropping them either. If those are the worst of the X-Books (I dont count Exiles as...well, a comic book.), then I'm thinking things are going pretty well.

[drwho]

If you have no problems with the creative team it seems rather pointless and a waste of your time posting on a thread asking what you see as problems from the creative teams.

[Gene M.]

I think the juice is running out in the thread creating department.

[frog]

If you have no problems with the creative team it seems rather pointless and a waste of your time posting on a thread asking what you see as problems from the creative teams.

Yeah, almost as pointless as creating a thread about dropping books that has no option for none.

[KiplingKat]

Legacy is actually getting good at the moment, so I am happy. I do caution Mr. Carey to watch his continuity when he is playing around with that much X-Men history, however.

Uncanny? Every damn thing.

Brubaker simply is not the man for the job. He should have never been put on that book. He's fantastic on street level, single character title, but the guy simply does not get the X-Men, or how to write them. His story lines have been pointless, his pacing is terrible, his characterizations have been lame to outright "who the hell is this?", and continuity? He never seems to have heard of the word.

And he has a crappy attitude towards the fans.

And of course, Land doing the art..Ugh.

Faction may be better, but nothing he has said about what he want to do with the title inspires any confidence in me. In fact, all the sex jokes makes me wonder if they haven't handed the book over to Beevis and Butthead.

If he could keep his mouth shut and just write the damn thing, I'd feel a lot better about this transition.

[jester1436]

The Sisterhood is a canonical group - originally it included Mystique, Destiny and Rogue when they faced Dazzler and Angel. I think it's wonderful that a new Sisterhood will be in a book that will feature Dazzler and Angel.

[Fatguy]

If you have no problems with the creative team it seems rather pointless and a waste of your time posting on a thread asking what you see as problems from the creative teams.

lol I guess this is what I get for giving an honest response to your thread, instead of doing what everybody else does and just poking at you and ripping you for being obnoxious.

Which, you clearly are.

[drwho]

lol I guess this is what I get for giving an honest response to your thread, instead of doing what everybody else does and just poking at you and ripping you for being obnoxious.

Which, you clearly are.

That was addressed to previous posters actually. I do appreciate an honest civil response.

[Fatguy]

That was addressed to previous posters actually. I do appreciate an honest civil response.

Ahh, ok. Sorry, it came right after mine so I was thinking you were talking about my post :redface:

[La Fea]

A bit slow and needs Rogue.

Respectively.

[timbox]

Needs more CC! Needs more Sage! Needs more Icarus!

[Joe Franklin]

The problem I have with Legacy is that I would have liked for it to continue to just be X-Men with Ice Man, Rogue, Cannonball, Gambit, and other team members having action packed stories drawn by Bachalo, and penned by Carey.

I am a fan of Mike Carey's writing, so I have continued to buy Legacy, but I buy it by the skin of my teeth because I think Xavier is boring and the Eaton art is plain jane.:frown:

I have no problem with Uncanny X-Men at all. It's in good hands right now.

[Beast]

If you have no problems with the creative team it seems rather pointless and a waste of your time posting on a thread asking what you see as problems from the creative teams.
In other words, this thread is only for people who agree with you. Gotcha.

[psycwave]

Needs more CC! Needs more Sage! Needs more Icarus!

Do not forget Psylocke and Jesse Bedlam

[Fatguy]

Needs more CC! Needs more Sage! Needs more Icarus!

How much does SATAN pay you to spread evil lies??

[Beast]

The Sisterhood is a canonical group - originally it included Mystique, Destiny and Rogue when they faced Dazzler and Angel. I think it's wonderful that a new Sisterhood will be in a book that will feature Dazzler and Angel.
See. Now you can no longer complain about the Sisterhood.

[timbox]

How much does SATAN pay you to spread evil lies??

Actually I concur with Joe up above me, but I didn't think this thread was for serious!

[rwsmith]

I've got no problems with the creative teams per se. In fact, I'm pretty excited about Uncanny. Legacy just bores me because, despite enjoying Mike Carey's writing, I really don't care much about Xavier. IMO it would be much better if he reunited some of Rogue's team under Xavier's leadership and made it a team book again. I'm thinking Xavier, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit and Cable for sure, and perhaps Sam and Paige Guthrie too.

But I've got no issues with the creative teams on either book. Not even Greg Land.

[drwho]

See. Now you can no longer complain about the Sisterhood.

Do the writers actually know it came from a Dazzler comic? I would be curious to know if they thought they came up with it.

[Gene M.]

Do the writers actually know it came from a Dazzler comic? I would be curious to know if they thought they came up with it.
Does it really matter one way or the other?

[drwho]

Does it really matter one way or the other?

Well if I did not want to know I would not have made the post so yes it matters.

[Beast]

Does it really matter one way or the other?
No. Cause I'm sure he'll complain about it no matter what.

[RafiShai]

Those names just come off to me as something we would see used on a bad comedy sketch clip from Mad Tv.

You have a problem with the names?

You have a problem with the names of two groups you have yet to even see once?

Don't you find that a bit illogical? What's so strange with The Sisterhood of Evil Mutants? What's it about it that screams Mad TV to you, 'cause I see nothing. Had they been introduced back than as the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants, and years later a Brotherhood of Evil mutants been introduced - would you have still found it so problematic? Same goes for the Hellfire Cult. Don't you think groups of Villains would want to use names that associate with major destructive groups? Maybe make the name a homage?

Furthermore, it's just a name! The group could be an amazing thing, and done properly, but you insist on judging now (before they've even appeared once) and on the basis of their name?

:confused:

[drwho]

I like to see inventive new names that show some creativity. I also believe in DD there is also a Lady Bull's eye appearing which also features a creator of the X-Men on it. There is a pattern of rehashing the old names.

[Pro]

what you percieve as knockoff names.

No perceiving about that part really. They are knockoff names. :)

As for the books personally i'm enjoying Legacy whereas i wasn't expecting i would when it was announced. So nice surprise there really. Some find it boring, i find it well paced, thought through and well written.

As for Uncanny I'm not really understanding that book given the direction marvel seemed to go into with regards to the x-men. The past few months were filler material and i found the issues pretty boring. Brubaker seems to do better with solo street level characters than he does with teams.
I was expecting gritty survivalism and instead we're getting parades, a new hightech base dropping from the sky, humans cheering on mutants and loaning them flying cars. I don't get how that plays into "last of the mutants refusing to go down without a fight" that seemed to be the credo ever since Messiah Complex.

Giving Uncanny a few more issues to see where they're going.

[La Fea]

LMAO I hate how dr.who's threads are always about dr.who.

(They should be about La Fea).

[Beast]

I like to see inventive new names that show some creativity. I also believe in DD there is also a Lady Bull's eye appearing which also features a creator of the X-Men on it. There is a pattern of rehashing the old names.
Hey, at least it's not Teen Titans.

Titans East. Titans of Tommorow. Terror Titans.

How about a villain team that isn't a derivitive of the hero group for once?

[RafiShai]

No perceiving about that part really. They are knockoff names. :)

Are they really? Wouldn't you think that a newly formed group of evil mutant females, who wants to be famous for their evilness and heinousness - should take the name of a formerly known powerful group and twist it? In the eyes of the characters it's probably a publicity stunt of sorts. It doesn't HAVE to be a knockoff name. You're judging it before it even happened!

[KiplingKat]

I agree the sudden switch to "yeah Mutants!" is not in line with the tone set by Messiah CompleX. I think they (either writers or editorial) heard all the complaints that things in the X-Verse were getting too dark and depressing and decided to switch gears entirely.

It's not being executed well, but I understand the motivations for the switch.

[Gene M.]

No perceiving about that part really. They are knockoff names. :)

As for the books personally i'm enjoying Legacy whereas i wasn't expecting i would when it was announced. So nice surprise there really. Some find it boring, i find it well paced, thought through and well written.

As for Uncanny I'm not really understanding that book given the direction marvel seemed to go into with regards to the x-men. The past few months were filler material and i found the issues pretty boring. Brubaker seems to do better with solo street level characters than he does with teams.
I was expecting gritty survivalism and instead we're getting parades, a new hightech base dropping from the sky, humans cheering on mutants and loaning them flying cars. I don't get how that plays into "last of the mutants refusing to go down without a fight" that seemed to be the credo ever since Messiah Complex.

Giving Uncanny a few more issues to see where they're going.
To be fair, if you're trying to ensure the survival of your race it would proabbly help to move them somewhere where they can walk down the street without getting bricks thrown at them. :biggrin:

[La Fea]

I demand that there be male members in the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants.

If only for revenge for having a females in the "X-Men" and "Brotherhood".

[Fatguy]

LMAO I hate how dr.who's threads are always about dr.who.

(They should be about La Fea).

If you want threads to be about you, you're gonna have to get a new "O" face.
*shudder*

[Gene M.]

If you want threads to be about you, you're gonna have to get a new "O" face.
*shudder*
RACIST! Racist!

[drwho]

I demand that there be male members in the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants.

If only for revenge for having a females in the "X-Men" and "Brotherhood".

It would only make sense that there were males because the Brotherhood had females. Right Right Right.

I cant wait till the Sista hood of Evil Mutants show up to take on the Sisterhood.

[La Fea]

If you want threads to be about you, you're gonna have to get a new "O" face.
*shudder*

BUT I AM!!!! I'm trying out a new Molly avatar! :O

[Beast]

Are they really? Wouldn't you think that a newly formed group of evil mutant females, who wants to be famous for their evilness and heinousness - should take the name of a formerly known powerful group and twist it? In the eyes of the characters it's probably a publicity stunt of sorts. It doesn't HAVE to be a knockoff name. You're judging it before it even happened!
Yeah, damn those Girl Scouts for copying the Boy Scouts as well.

[Gene M.]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/eg_marsh/santa.gif

[Josef F.]

I like to see inventive new names that show some creativity. I also believe in DD there is also a Lady Bull's eye appearing which also features a creator of the X-Men on it. There is a pattern of rehashing the old names.

Oh this is a valid point.
If I was running the X-office, I would rename

Sisterhood- "Female mutants who are both female and mutant, and possibly evil!"

X-force -"The people who really like hitting things until they bleed"

Hellfire cult - " New and interesting viilain team name that makes them seem interesting and RoXXXcore"

We must all drop the X-books.
they dare to introduce names that are not entirely original.
Who cares about their relevance to members and plotlines.
We must all demand new things all the time forever. :smile:

[Optic Rage!]

I like to see inventive new names that show some creativity. I also believe in DD there is also a Lady Bull's eye appearing which also features a creator of the X-Men on it. There is a pattern of rehashing the old names.

The point is, do the names really fucking matter? No, they dont.

If the story is good and pulled of well, thats all we should care about.

Your just being negative, for the sake of being negative.

All your threads are created with two ideas in mind, criticizing & cynisicm...it just makes you come off very obnoxious.

For instance if you really wanted to know how people felt about the current creative teams, you should of asked '' What do you think of the current creative teams?'' rather then just making the thread about negatives and hoping to see it full of people bitching about them and agreeing with you.

If you dont like the comics then stop reading and find something else to do, dont hang around here just to bitch month upon month when your not even reading them.

Sounds like the Spider-Man forum might be more to your taste.

[Beast]

And did you realize... all the main X-men books have an X in them.

How about some damn creativity!

[Congo Jack]

I'm dropping almost every X-book after #500 (Wolverine: First Class being the exception) but it's not due to any problem with the creative teams.

I like Brubaker (yeah, JUST like), but I REALLY like Fraction and those two together, as proved with Immortal Iron Fist are a winning combination. I don't care for Greg Land's work but Dodson's work ranges from solid to great. If this creative team were working on a book that had not suffered from the (very negative as far as I'm concerned) fall-out from House of M then I'd be all over it. I think Carey and Eaton are solid on X-Men: Legacy, but wouldn't buy, no matter how much I like the guy, what is basically a Professor X book(unless Maggott is revived in it's pages!).

So, no major problems with the creative teams but the direction has drove me away.

[RafiShai]

X-force -"The people who really like hitting things until they bleed"


You must be forgetting, they've already been renamed! They're "Team Stabby" *nods sagely*

[drwho]

i'll definitely be paging through the books because I can not wait for the Sisterhood to have one male member on it that will turn out to be a gay guy. That is my prediction you have seen it here first. :tongue:

[Pro]

Wouldn't you think that a newly formed group of evil mutant females, who wants to be famous for their evilness and heinousness - should take the name of a formerly known powerful group and twist it?

That comes close to the definition of knock off. :) If i make a book named the "wonderfull whacky adventures of doctor Von Ribbentrop" and someone else makes a book named the "wonderfully zany adventures of doctor Von Robbentrip" it's pretty damn clear it's not a homage, it's a knockoff.
Most homages are knockoffs because they rely on the fame of an already established product in the hope of garnering enough interest that people will become interested. I understand the idea from the character's position perfectly, from a creative point of view it's hardly original.

Doesn't mean it won't make a good story but that's an entirely different argument.
Not a big deal really. Still a knockoff :)

To be fair, if you're trying to ensure the survival of your race it would proabbly help to move them somewhere where they can walk down the street without getting bricks thrown at them.

Oh i know. It all seems way too coincidental for me though. Takes me out of the story. Decades of mutanthate and suddenly the whole of san francisco embraces mutants. Poof superhightech alpha x-base, parades, flying cars, the hell?

It's like someone stands behind the writers, whispering to them:"This is what will happen, make it so, doesn't matter if it doesn't really make sense storywise".

[Beast]

i'll definitely be paging through the books because I can not wait for the Sisterhood to have one male member on it that will turn out to be a gay guy. That is my prediction you have seen it here first. :tongue:
Hopefully it's Iceman. He shouldn't have to be featured in minis simply to avoid limbo.

[Josef F.]

i'll definitely be paging through the books because I can not wait for the Sisterhood to have one male member on it that will turn out to be a gay guy. That is my prediction you have seen it here first. :tongue:

No....................

[KiplingKat]

You must be forgetting, they've already been renamed! They're "Team Stabby" *nods sagely*

The Stabbity Squad
The Ginzu Patrol
Team Slashy

I detest X-Force on so many levels.

[Beast]

The Stabbity Squad
The Ginzu Patrol

I detest X-Force on so many levels.
Whatever happened to Team Scratch 'N Sniff?

And Lupine Avengers, of course. In honor of Brian M.

[KiplingKat]

Whatever happened to Team Scratch 'N Sniff?

And Lupine Avengers, of course. In honor of Brian M.

Good ones.

When team collects that many humorous euphemisms in five months...:rolleyes:

[Optic Rage!]

The Stabbity Squad
The Ginzu Patrol
Team Slashy

I detest X-Force on so many levels.

Your loss.

X-force is the best X-book on the market.

[Josef F.]

The Stabbity Squad
The Ginzu Patrol
Team Slashy

I detest X-Force on so many levels.

OH HO HO HO HO HO.
You're funnay you are.
Yow make me propar larf.

Does X-force not co-incide with your moral, uppity self?
Have fun reading marvel adventures and your magneto one shots.

[KiplingKat]

Your loss.

X-force is the best X-book on the market.

Depends on one tastes I guess.

I actually read the first three issues. Had to. Marvel ignored my request to cancel my New X-Men subscription when they switched over (fortunately, my LCBS took them in trade). I didn't find anything redeeming about the series, and the very concept of the X-Men creating what amounts to a terrorist group...

It goes against everything a "Hero" is supposed to be, which I could get into some deep discussion about the social zeitgeist in American society that has actively destroyed the very concept of Hero, but I don't want to bore people.

I'm just waiting for the day in which Magneto says to Cyclops, "Hate me Scott? You became me..."

And someone in the X-men makes the observation that Scott kicked out Xavier for doing horrible things...and then proceeded to do even more horrible things.

[Jake V]

The Stabbity Squad
The Ginzu Patrol
Team Slashy

I detest X-Force on so many levels.
That's fine.

The book is doing very well without you.

[RafiShai]

X-force is the best X-book on the market.

Nope, you're confusing yourself with X-Factor.

Also, get on MSN.

[KiplingKat]

Nope, you're confusing yourself with X-Factor.

Indeed, that is the best thing going in the X-Verse right now.

Tho' I am looking forward to Ellis run on Astonishing.

[darknessatnoon]

I don't think dr. who sincerely cares about the creative teams on the x-books. He's still smarting from being voted off in CBR X-Forum Survivor.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The current creative team's *obvious* biggest problem is that they assumed most fans could wait for six damned months and the freakin anniversary issue.

Silly them.

[drwho]

I don't think dr. who sincerely cares about the creative teams on the x-books. He's still smarting from being voted off in CBR X-Forum Survivor.

Ahh too bad i missed it. Really goes to show that Palipitine and the galactic empire are even more sicker mentally and obsessive than I initially thought they were. Really can't believe how they killed all those cute ewoks.

[Beast]

Ahh too bad i missed it. Really goes to show that Palipitine and the galactic empire are even more sicker mentally and obsessive than I initially thought they were. Really can't believe how they killed all those cute ewoks.
It's Palpatine.

[Gene M.]

I blame society.

And Hitler.

[mythog]

I really think complaining about the names of teams makes little sense. So what if they are using the name "Sisterhood of Evil Mutants" or forming a group called the "Hellfire Cult". The problem I have is you have no clue who is on the team or what there plans are. The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants have been around for a long time and there have been 10 different versions of the team or more. No one has complained yet, why not? Because the main things is that you are entertained and it keeps you interested and because you enjoy the characters. The name of a group honestly does it matter or is it the story told.

[RafiShai]

I do remember having one serious complain about the Uncanny creative team. I call it: "Greg Land and the celebrity-porn-face-issue (phototracing included!)".

Seriously, the guy's doing it all wrong when he can do it all right.

[darknessatnoon]

In the old days, the X-Men had kewl supervillain teams to fight, like the Goth, the Neo and the Crimson Pirates.

[metalgorgomon]

Other than being Xavier-centric, I have no problem with Legacy. But I still would've prefered a 'team' book rather than a Xavier Solo. The book is still solid tough.

The good thing about Uncanny, it has the all-star X-Men featured in it. Moreover, the art has been absolutely gorgeus. On the other hand, the story has not been compelling at all. Other than the Messiah Complex part (which was a collaboration between writers), IMO none of the story can be considered as standouts. RaFoTSE, Extremist, the DWS, all of them are just okay, if not feel decompressed at times..

[frog]

Some people just aren't happy if they don't have something to complain about. They suffer from the delusion that looking down their noses at something makes them appear cool and superior to others.

I'd rather go through life enjoying things rather than focusing all my attention on the low points unless it is seriously bad (like Land).

I'm more than happy with the X-books right now. Relocating the- X-men to San Francisco should make for many entertaining moments. Carey is racheting up the story in Legacy. Warren Ellis has got my love with just a few pages. X-Force has the action going.

Things are good. I approve.

[La Fea]

I do wish I loved the current X-Books more than I do.

I've kinda lost the passion I once had (though Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers is SAVING MEEH!).

I want to love it more!!!! Comics should be GREAT. They're just good (though I haven't read any of this week's HUMUNGOUS batch of comic books except Secret Invasion: R/YA).

[jester1436]

Although I love the idea of a Sisterhood of Evil Mutants, can it please be renamed the Sorority of Evil Mutants?

CLEAN THE TOILETS WITH A TOOTHBRUSH, PLEDGE MARTINIQUE!

[timbox]

I(though Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers is SAVING MEEH!).


Wasn't it SUPER!?!?!?!!?!

and your user title or whatever it's called is ver inappropriate for your avatar!

[La Fea]

Wasn't it SUPER!?!?!?!!?!

and your user title or whatever it's called is ver inappropriate for your avatar!

It was life affirming!!!!!!

But OMFG Klara GTFO.

THEN AGAIN I ALSO HATED Victor when he first joined but he's one of my faves now.

[pryde15]

I'm confused. Drwho. Do you talk about books even more after you boycott them?

Anyways. I am liking Uncanny right now. X-Men Legacy is ok but the history lesson can only go on for so long. I am looking forward to Astonishing X-Men. I'm not sure what you can do with Young X-Men, but I am sticking with it atleast until the end of the first storyline. I wish X-Factor would go back to the noir style though. X-Force is always sold out when I go to get it... so make more copies Marvel! Although I should probably be telling the comic book store owner to get more copies...

[frog]

I'm confused. Drwho. Do you talk about books even more after you boycott them?

Anyways. I am liking Uncanny right now. X-Men Legacy is ok but the history lesson can only go on for so long. I am looking forward to Astonishing X-Men. I'm not sure what you can do with Young X-Men, but I am sticking with it atleast until the end of the first storyline. I wish X-Factor would go back to the noir style though.

I hope that drwho keeps in mind that flipping through a book at a store is not good enough for a spoiler thread.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I gotta reiterate that the complaining regarding Uncanny/Legacy just cracks me up.

The x-office specifically said there'd be filler in UXM until #500 and that it would take a few issues for Legacy to pick up. Not to mention they specifically said Legacy wasn't an average x-book in its content and tone.

Thus, it equates to complaining about something that we were basically warned off. Numerous times. Sheesh.

[KiplingKat]

..and the rest of Brubaker's run?

Like the steaming pile that was "Extremists"?

And "Filler" has nothing to do with his pacing or lousy characterization.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

..and the rest of Brubaker's run?

Like the steaming pile that was "Extremists"?

Rise and Fall rocked the mutant house. I'll agree Extremists was rather bland, though. Still, I'll take that over just about anything from the 90s' and about half of the 80's *epic* stories that took themselves way too seriously.

Also, I was talking about the whining SINCE MC.

[KiplingKat]

Rise and Fall rocked the mutant house. I'll agree Extremists was rather bland, though.

Rise and Fall bored me to tears and wrecked Rachel.

And we were talking about the whining SINCE MC.

Why? It's the same writer, the same problems are present.

[pryde15]

Rise and Fall bored me to tears and wrecked Rachel.



Why? It's the same writer, the same problems are present.

But wasn't Claremont the one who really wrecked her? I mean she hasn't been compelling what so ever since Claremont brought her back. Although I did enjoy Yost's interpretation. I did enjoy the first half of Rise & Fall, but the second half felt like it was just an after thought.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Rise and Fall bored me to tears and wrecked Rachel.

It bored me to tears the first time around. Rachel did get screwed over.

Why? It's the same writer, the same problems are present.

I'm not defending Bru's pacing / decompressed stories. Just saying that the... rejuvenated whining based on DWS is a bit funny.

[psycwave]

Rise and Fall rocked the mutant house. I'll agree Extremists was rather bland, though. Still, I'll take that over just about anything from the 90s' and about half of the 80's *epic* stories that took themselves way too seriously.

Also, I was talking about the whining SINCE MC.

The 80s kicked ass!! We must return to the days of the "outback" X-men. Why is it that everytime drwho starts a thread he gets into an argument with just about everyone who posts a comment. And just to go against the grain I loved Rise and Fall(it left Rachel in space/limbo:evilsmile: ) and i also rather enjoyed the hippies.

[KiplingKat]

Well, my whining is not rejuvenated. I hated it before MC, I hated it during MC, and I hated it after MC. It's not the worst by any means, but it sure as heck ain't good.

[pryde15]

The 80s kicked ass!! We must return to the days of the "outback" X-men. Why is it that everytime drwho starts a thread he gets into an argument with just about everyone who posts a comment. And just to go against the grain I loved Rise and Fall(it left Rachel in space/limbo:evilsmile: ) and i also rather enjoyed the hippies.

The latest arc has been great. I am very excited for Fraction to come aboard as well. Even if Land will be the artist.

[rZi]

Legacy: Carey can write great X-Men team stories, but this solo Xavier adventuer/past viewing is just frustrating the hell out of me. Compare this to his and bachalo's work on "supernovas" and it simply does not hold up.

Drop the legacy part, everyone hates Xavier these days anyways and get back to the children of the vault! and Messiah Complex ramifications (arguably this is one of them)

Uncanny: I don't read Captain America but i hear it's incredible, so why does brubaker underwhelm me every issue? I feel like stories are stretched out in this title and my monthly fix is about 20% of what it should be. Mike Choi doesn't let me down atleast...As for the future, get rid of both Land and bru and get some fresh blood in, and im happy.

[KiplingKat]

The 80s kicked ass!! We must return to the days of the "outback" X-men.

SHHHH!

According to X-Men editorial, this SF relocation is "The first time the X-Men have ever abandoned the mansion!" :wink:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The 80s kicked ass!! We must return to the days of the "outback" X-men.

Actually, I'm not quite sure it'd work out too well from a political perspective in Nu-Marvel.

I mean, Australia *does* have an actual body of government and they might not want a para-military force to use its territory as a HQ.

Not saying it wouldn't work for a renegade team, though. Still.

SHHHH!

According to X-Men editorial, this SF relocation is "The first time the X-Men have ever abandoned the mansion!" :wink:

The mansion wasn't actually abandoned in the 80s.

[Josef F.]

Well, my whining is not rejuvenated. I hated it before MC, I hated it during MC, and I hated it after MC. It's not the worst by any means, but it sure as heck ain't good.

Don't buy it.

[KiplingKat]

Don't buy it.

I wish I could, but I'm a completist and Uncanny is the one crappy title I can't stop getting. Even if I was to stop now, I know that eventually I would have to go and buy them later, just to fill in my collection.

[psycwave]

SHHHH!

According to X-Men editorial, this SF relocation is "The first time the X-Men have ever abandoned the mansion!" :wink:

Never!!! I will stand up for the rights of the Aussie X. HEAR ME MARVEL AUSTRALIA X MEN TEAM WAS THE FIRST!!!!

Actually, I'm not quite sure it'd work out too well from a political perspective in Nu-Marvel.

I mean, Australia *does* have an actual body of government and they might not want a para-military force to use its territory as a HQ.

Not saying it wouldn't work for a renegade team, though. Still.



The mansion wasn't actually abandoned in the 80s.

Well i wasn't actually meaning politically(though i see your point) I just really liked that team at the time(minus Havok even though he was pretty decent back then)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, my whining is not rejuvenated. I hated it before MC, I hated it during MC, and I hated it after MC. It's not the worst by any means, but it sure as heck ain't good.

I don't recall ever saying I was specifically talking about YOUR whining.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well i wasn't actually meaning politically(though i see your point) I just really liked that team at the time(minus Havok even though he was pretty decent back then)

I still can't quite decide if CC's 'Australia doesn't know or care' motif is offensive or just hilariously demented.

COBRA had secret bases all around the world. Not freakin G.I.Joe.

[psycwave]

To be completely honest I wasn't feeling Legacy not because of a slow start or anything like that mainly because it was Xavier, but i strongly believe that Carey is going to kill him in the end and even so its only gonna be like this for 12 or so issues(if i recall correctly) then i believe it turns back into a reg x-book.

[KiplingKat]

The mansion wasn't actually abandoned in the 80s.

Yeah, the New Mutants stayed there, but the X-Men did leave it because they had faked their death. I can't remember who it was at Marvel, one of the editors, said that X-Men "never had never left the mansion before" and this move to SF was a huge deal...and that the Outback period was "just a blip".

I think posters here tallied it up and this would be the fourth or fifth time the X-Men have relocated from the mansion, the second time they had done so to SF.

[Fatguy]

Rise and Fall bored me to tears and wrecked Rachel.
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I think Rachel being lame wrecked Rachel.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

the X-Men have relocated from the mansion, the second time they had done so to SF.

Abandoned means there isn't a single soul left.

I'll have to take you guys' word for it, cause ain't no way I'm rereading everything from the 80s and 90s just for that.

I think Rachel being lame wrecked Rachel.

Awwww. :biggrin:

[Beast]

Yeah, the New Mutants stayed there, but the X-Men did leave it because they had faked their death. I can't remember who it was at Marvel, one of the editors, said that X-Men "never had never left the mansion before" and this move to SF was a huge deal...and that the Outback period was "just a blip".

I think posters here tallied it up and this would be the fourth or fifth time the X-Men have relocated from the mansion, the second time they had done so to SF.
It was Axel Alonso that said it. And the quote's a bit off. One sec.

Always nice to know the chief editor has no clue about the books he's working on.

[Beast]

It was Axel Alonso that said it. And the quote's a bit off. One sec.

Always nice to know the chief editor has no clue about the books he's working on.
Here's the quotes...

AXEL ALONSO: In July, the X-Men will, for the first time in their 40-years-plus history, uproot themselves from Westchester and move to a new home -- 3,000 miles away in San Francisco. This is a little piece of history that deserves a banner.

AA: This is no small thing, this move. Thee X-Men are leaving the only home they’ve known, and each will react differently. Some will be homesick, while others might have history there that will come back to bite them in the ass.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16614

The first time in their 40-years-plus history?
The X-Men are leaving the only home they've known?

You're doing a great job Axel. Bravo. :tongue:

[pryde15]

I think before they get rid of the creative teams, they need to get rid of a certain editor who has no idea what he is talking about. :biggrin:

[nikbackm]

Here's the quotes...

AXEL ALONSO: In July, the X-Men will, for the first time in their 40-years-plus history, uproot themselves from Westchester and move to a new home -- 3,000 miles away in San Francisco. This is a little piece of history that deserves a banner.

AA: This is no small thing, this move. Thee X-Men are leaving the only home they’ve known, and each will react differently. Some will be homesick, while others might have history there that will come back to bite them in the ass.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16614

The first time in their 40-years-plus history?
The X-Men are leaving the only home they've known?

You're doing a great job Axel. Bravo. :tongue:

It might be that the X-Office intended all previous relocations to be temporary, but this time they really really mean it to last forever and ever.

Or he just screwed up.

[KiplingKat]

IMO, given how much complaining about continuity there is, "Too much!" from some (only some) writers, and "You screwed it up!" from fans, I think it is time Marvel created a research office.

A group of fans employed to do nothing but research title history, create character and event dossiers, and answer questions to make sure the writers get it right.

If the editorial staff is too busy to do their jobs, someone else should be picking up the slack.

Gawd knows they would be turning people away for a job like that.

[Beast]

IMO, given how much complaining about continuity there is, "Too much!" from some (only some) writers, and "You screwed it up!" from fans, I think it is time Marvel created a research office.

A group of fans employed to do nothing but research title history, create character and event dossiers, and answer questions to make sure the writer get it right.

If the editorial staff is too busy to do their jobs, someone else should be picking up the slack.

Gawd knows they would be turning people away for a job like that.
That's what the handbook writers do. Unfortunatly, nobody makes the editors or writers read up on stuff.

[KiplingKat]

That's what the handbook writers do. Unfortunatly, nobody makes the editors or writers read up on stuff.

True, quite so. And it's very unfortunate. But the Handbooks cover things pretty superficially considering how much history there is behind some of these teams and characters. I mean, they are allowed a certain amount of pages.

I mean, Carey could read Xavier and Beast's handbook entries and still not know that Xavier only erased the knowledge that Hank was a mutant from his hometown, not the knowledge that Hank ever existed (as he put in the first issue of Legacy).

That's just a little "whoops", but they also could tip someone off that, for example, Magneto had been repowered only a year prior to Bru writing him as still depowered in Uncanny.

[Pro]

The first time in their 40-years-plus history?
The X-Men are leaving the only home they've known?

You're doing a great job Axel. Bravo.

Cut the man some slack. He never even read a single x-men comic because he wasn't a fan before he got the job as editor!



It's who you know, not what you know :p

[KiplingKat]

CC:"We're going to do another crossover, called Eternal Bondage IV. This time Storm will fall into the hands of Kang, a timetraveling sadist who wants to marry her and make her part of his harem".

It wouldn't be Kang, it would be Deathbird. You know that. :wink:

Y'know...people would actually buy that...:lol:

But, I think that is the point in getting into Editorial rather than actually writing.

[jarrod]

The mansion wasn't actually abandoned in the 80s.
It was briefly iirc, when the New Mutants went to stay with X-Factor and Excalibur crashed there for a few issues post inferno. Didn't last that long though, Banshee and Forge started using it again when they were searching for the X-Men, then the Muties (with Cable) came back, then Gambit and kiddie Storm, etc.

And actually, it's not abandoned now... the Young X-men are using it.

[Jake V]

It might be that the X-Office intended all previous relocations to be temporary, but this time they really really mean it to last forever and ever.

Or he just screwed up.

I think the implication is that this is the first time they've done it by choice rather then necessity.

[Flâneur]

I still can't quite decide if CC's 'Australia doesn't know or care' motif is offensive or just hilariously demented.
lol, it was just crazy. It's like, let's set up in the outback because there's no civilsation there! Oh! And let's get ourselves a pet native as transportation! Ka-Ray-Zee.

And my view on the X-books:

Uncanny X-men has been a troubled book in recent years, ever since Casey gave up the book it's been intermittently crap. First up was Austen and his pile of garbage which had few highlights - Northstar's introduction, the rescue of Juggernaut and the introduction issue for Sammy and the revelation of Northstar's crush - which were not enough to outweigh the horrors that were the Draco, She Lies With Angels, the introduction of Nurse Annie and the horrible mistreatment of Lorna.

We then hit ReLoad and are given the dubious honour of Claremont at the helm where we're given regurgitated dialogue and archetypes which are largely contradictory and trite. This all culminates with the R'chel arc ... which was so undeniably bad that it's funny. He absolutely wrecked the Rachel Summers character by the time his run was over. His sole saving grace was End of Greys with Bachalo, where it seemed like he just might be picking up speed ... and then he was dropped (and ended with that First Fallen arc which was just arse). Then comes Brubaker with the horribly drawn out RAFOTSE (and no means yes Rachel) which ultimately had no end and forgot part of its cast existed (wherefore art thou Kurt?). Extremists is where Brubaker slowly seems to get the hang of writing the X-men as a team even if the story is a tad mediocre and far from new. MC was also ok ... but nothing that interesting. Just pulp. I can't really blame Bru for that though.

So finally we come to the Divided We Stand arc and I'm absolutely and utterly loving it. It's fun, it's got great interactions, it's in character and so on. Brubaker feels entirely at home with these characters and it shows. It's a great book end to Astonishing and it's an excellent prologue for the upcoming Astonishing arc as well its own upcoming 500th issue. Love the promised direction too. I haven't enjoyed it this much since End of Greys and before that it was Northstar's ish and Casey and it's made me really hopeful for the upcoming issues, especially since we have Fraction on board as well and his work with Bru on Iron Fist was fabulous. If Uncanny can keep this up then I might say it's the best it's been so far this century. A++

X-men:Legacy is boring choker. It's a remix of history that is little better than a MU Handbook. Carey's prose is beautiful at times - he has some great lines from Jean for instance - but the book suffers from its lack of supporting cast POV and its directionless plotting with little reference to current action. It could be the Eternal Sunshine of the X-men family but it's not and that disappoints me.

It's especially disappointing when we consider what came before - Carey wrote some great arcs on the X-men which blended in well timed action scenes and strong dialogue with great art. The Children were great enemies for the X-men, despite their rather bland finish, the Pandemic arc was cool, the crossover with Cable was awesome and there was such an organic lead into the crossover. Can't forget Rogue either.

Carey's X-men was a massive improvement upon Milligan's rather unenthusiastic run which gave us the slow and anti-climactic Golgotha (which was somewhat saved by the excellent Emma dialogue), the fucked up Bizarre Love Triangle which managed to introduce Pulse at least, the BP crossover and the abortion that was the Blood of Apocalypse. Leaps and bounds beyond Austen's Xorn brother, blind Gambit, stupid Exodus etc. run also.

Essentially, Carey's Legacy is incredibly boring in of itself but it is also disappointing considering X-men was hitting its stride for the first time in ages and we've seen what he can do in Lucifer. The book could have been great but it's just not. With the crossover with Wolverine Origins coming it's the perfect time to drop it.

Astonishing X-men, New X-men's spiritual successor, started off with so much promise. The art was so gorgeous and polished. The dialogue was so great. The opening arc was fabulous and had genuinely good ideas ... and then it slowly started decomposing. The arc about Danger quite simply dragged on too long, seemingly enamoured with its own simplistic premise. Torn, while having many cool moments, was self-contradictory (um, Stuff?) and the plotline just didn't end up going anywhere later on in the series. So that was a write off. I liked Unstoppable - good cliff hangers, cool banter and so on. However when we come to the Giant Size ending ... almost nothing is resolved and instead we're given meaningless cameos and shoved together endings which don't work that well (Aghanne for instance). All of this would be tolerable given its comparative quality to the other books but then we get the massive delays and my interest dies. New>Astonishing.

It's really looking up though - I love Ellis' work, intensely, the cast looks great and the artist seems like he knows what he's doing (despite the huge nipples and tranny storm). While I do kind of wish Millar/Hitch was involved like they'd planned to, instead of doing FF, I think we got the better deal here. So full speed ahead!

Young X-men is just arse, really. All the characters feel mishandled, the dialogue is meh, the art isn't my thing and the storyline has no interest for me. I've preferred almost every other rendition of the characters involved TBH. Do not want. No longer picking up.

X-Force has been surprisingly good. I think the power match up is a lame justification for character choices but I'm happy to see that the way it's been written is to the point that it's not so much about what powers they have. Awesome action. Great character beats. Gorgeous art. Nothing more needs to be said. A+++

X-Factor has been consistently great and is the only book to really make the most out of the abortion that was Decimation. Art's been great. Good dialogue. Loved the noir feel that PAD has injected as it provides an alternative to the more generic feel of the other X-books. Loved Layla Miller, which was completely and utterly unexpected. And I've loved what he's done with M ... it's been almost perfect apart from some of the slightly anti-climactic endings (this is becoming an X-book theme, isn't it?). I'm not sure that I'm too happy with the post MC stuff though - Stroman's art looks hideous and it's been hinted that X-Factor may be returning to its more generic roots and I'm not sure I want to be reading that. I'll see how the SI tie in goes and then decide if I want to keep up with it or drop.

Wolverine:Origins. No.

Wolverine is usually unmitigated and unarguably arse. There's no defending it for me. That all changed with Get Mystique which was utter fabulousness and the upcoming Millar arc sounds like it will be awesome. Plus it's been hinted that Aaron shall return after Millar. So I have a very good feeling about this title now. A+

Cable is all big guns, testosterone and slooooowwww pacing. No thx.

Wolverine: First Class is cool, quirky, cute and fun. It's awesome. No problems whatsoever.

X-men: First Class looks good ... but I can never bring myself to care about it enough to check it out.

[KiplingKat]

I think the implication is that this is the first time they've done it by choice rather then necessity.

That isn't even supported by what the editor himself said, they're doing this by necessity.

[Jake V]

That isn't even supported by what the editor himself said, they're doing this by necessity.

He said they're going to "uproot themselves" and move to SF. Uprooting themselves sounds like a choice to me.

[HeckBoy]

I just don't find the premise nor the characters involved in Legacy particularly interesting. With Uncanny's rotating cast, I'll probably be "picking 'n choosing" more frequently than I currently am (where I've kinda settled in w/ certain books).

[KiplingKat]

He said they're going to "uproot themselves" and move to SF. Uprooting themselves sounds like a choice to me.

Uhm, the mansion had been destroyed and Tony had threatened to bring them into the Initiative.

Doesn't sound like much of a choice to me.

[Jake V]

Uhm, the mansion had been destroyed and Tony had threatened to bring them into the Initiative.

Doesn't sound like much of a choice to me.

They've rebuilt the mansion how many times? A blown up mansion never stopped them from staying in westchester. And I don't see how Iron Man's threats are aleviated by moving to another state. Its the 50 state initiative, not the New York initiative.

They have the option to stay where they always lived, but are choosing to move to San Francisco.

[KiplingKat]

They've rebuilt the mansion how many times? A blown up mansion never stopped them from staying in westchester. And I don't see how Iron Man's threats are aleviated by moving to another state. Its the 50 state initiative, not the New York initiative.

They have the option to stay where they always lived, but are choosing to move to San Francisco.

Because SF is willing to protect them. That was in the headline in the paper at the end of the last issue "S.F. Rejects Initiative!"

Unless Tony plans in S.H.I.E.L.D. invading San Fransisco, and the X-Men are not caught operating outside of SF, they're covered.

[darknessatnoon]

Because SF is willing to protect them. That was in the headline in the paper at the end of the last issue "S.F. Rejects Initiative!"

They were moving anyway. Angel saving the lesbian mayor and showing the X-Men are gay friendly was a happy coincidence.

[KiplingKat]

They were moving anyway. Angel saving the lesbian mayor and showing the X-Men are gay friendly was a happy coincidence.

Yeah, moving without knowing where they were going...which means they weren't doing this by choice. Scott made a show of disbanding the X-Men to keep Tony off his back, and called everyone back in when they had found a new home where Tony couldn't touch them.

The Editor screwed up, he simply didn't know his X-Men history and talked out his backside.

[darknessatnoon]

Yeah, moving without knowing where they were going...which means they weren't doing this by choice. Scott made a show of disbanding the X-Men to keep Tony off his back, and called everyone back in when they had found a new home where Tony couldn't touch them.


Yeah, Scott only "accidentally" asked Hepzibah, Warpath, Angel and Iceman to meet in San Francisco.

[Jake V]

Because SF is willing to protect them. That was in the headline in the paper at the end of the last issue "S.F. Rejects Initiative!"

Its hardly legal protection. SF tried to give out marriage liscenses to gay couples a few years ago and none of them were legal no matter what the mayor said. Surely Cylops is smart enough to know that while the citizens of San Francisco might like them, they have no legal protection there.

[KiplingKat]

Its hardly legal protection. SF tried to give out marriage liscenses to gay couples a few years ago and none of them were legal no matter what the mayor said. Surely Cylops is smart enough to know that while the citizens of San Francisco might like them, they have no legal protection there.

Hey, talk to the comic book creators on that one. The implication is pretty clear of how Bru-Fact thinks it will work, but in the real world? Court, lots and lots of time in court. The X-Men would have their own legal staff.

But the fact is, trying to rationalize what the editor said by trying to interpret what he said as this being the first time the X-men moved by "choice", doesn't work. This obviously was not a move motivated by choice any more than the moves from the Mansion they made before were by choice. The X-Men could have "chosen" not to fake their death back in the 1980s (Gawd knows it didn't do them a lick of good), but they did. He screwed up, plain and simple.

[XYagentguy]

Have you seen this?? lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UncannySexMen.gif

[La Fea]

LMAO I can't believe that even carried over onto Wikipedia.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, Scott only "accidentally" asked Hepzibah, Warpath, Angel and Iceman to meet in San Francisco.

Exactly. Angel sure as hell wasn't out scouting for property or anything.

And Hepzibah, Warpath and Iceman - three veterans - totally got there after Cyke got himself a deal. The timing doesn't quite work out on that one, but whatever. :biggrin: