Grant Morrison and connections between "R.I.P." and "Final Crisis" (spoilers)

[BoSoxJay]

And yeah there will be spoilers so tread at your own peril....



I thought about this alot on the way to work this morning. Given he is the writer of the two stories I am wondering if there is any connection here at all.

In "R.I.P." Batman is having these bouts of paranoia and being stalked by the Black Glove which, for all intents and purposes, is the title of an old film noir. A movie. A staged reality.

He is having these visits from Bat-mite, seeing demon faces and basically acting really weird about this chick Jezebelle. In "Final Crisis" Batman is the first to figure out that Alpha Lantern Kraken is really the avatar of Granny Goodness who captures him and latches some kind of device onto his head to, presumably, f*** with his mind. The chick he is "in love" with in "R.I.P." is Jezebelle Jet a black chick with red hair. In the New Gods canon, of which "FInal Crisis" revolves, there is an obscure chick with red hair named Jezebelle who once studied under Granny Goodness.

In "R.I.P. solicits Robin and Damian are searching for the mising Batman and, from the solicitc for "Final Crisis" #3 Batman is missing. Could the events in "R.I.P." be taking place after Batman is captured by Kraken in "Final Crisis" and the whole Black Glove, Zurr en Arr= deal over in "R.I.P" just be the result of Granny Goodness screwing with Batman's head and watching ast his all plays out in his mind while the reality of Final Crisis goes down?

[Red_Knight]

[...] He is having these visits from Bat-mite, seeing demon faces and basically acting really weird [...] The chick he is "in love" with in "R.I.P." is Jezebelle Jet a black chick with red hair. In the New Gods canon [...] there is an obscure chick with red hair named Jezebelle who once studied under Granny Goodness.

In "R.I.P. solicits Robin and Damian are searching for the mising Batman and, from the solicitc for "Final Crisis" #3 Batman is missing. Could the events in "R.I.P." be taking place after Batman is captured by Kraken in "Final Crisis" and the whole Black Glove, Zurr en Arr= deal over in "R.I.P" just be the result of Granny Goodness screwing with Batman's head and watching ast his all plays out in his mind while the reality of Final Crisis goes down?

You know, this could actually be true.

... If it is, that's a GIANT cop-out, though. If Morrison's entire run only takes place in Bruce's head, that's really just another way of saying "It was all a dream". I can't see Morrison actually taking that route. Besides, such a resolution would raise a few puzzling questions:

If Morrison's run is only happening in Bruce's head and takes place between FC#2 & 3, -- what has Batman really been up to over the last couple of months? Both Damian and (I think) Jezebelle have been referred to in Detective Comics and other Batman-related titles. There's also the Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul to take into consideration. If all these stories are rendered irrelevant by "R.I.P.", that's just a giant FU to the fans.

Personally, I can't see GM being so careless.

[hYPE]

You know, this could actually be true.

... If it is, that's a GIANT cop-out, though. If Morrison's entire run only takes place in Bruce's head, that's really just another way of saying "It was all a dream". I can't see Morrison actually taking that route. Besides, such a resolution would raise a few puzzling questions:

If Morrison's run is only happening in Bruce's head and takes place between FC#2 & 3, -- what has Batman really been up to over the last couple of months? Both Damian and (I think) Jezebelle have been referred to in Detective Comics and other Batman-related titles. There's also the Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul to take into consideration. If all these stories are rendered irrelevant by "R.I.P.", that's just a giant FU to the fans.

Personally, I can't see GM being so careless.

GM would not do that indeed!

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

And yeah there will be spoilers so tread at your own peril....



I thought about this alot on the way to work this morning. Given he is the writer of the two stories I am wondering if there is any connection here at all.

In "R.I.P." Batman is having these bouts of paranoia and being stalked by the Black Glove which, for all intents and purposes, is the title of an old film noir. A movie. A staged reality.

He is having these visits from Bat-mite, seeing demon faces and basically acting really weird about this chick Jezebelle. In "Final Crisis" Batman is the first to figure out that Alpha Lantern Kraken is really the avatar of Granny Goodness who captures him and latches some kind of device onto his head to, presumably, f*** with his mind. The chick he is "in love" with in "R.I.P." is Jezebelle Jet a black chick with red hair. In the New Gods canon, of which "FInal Crisis" revolves, there is an obscure chick with red hair named Jezebelle who once studied under Granny Goodness.

In "R.I.P. solicits Robin and Damian are searching for the mising Batman and, from the solicitc for "Final Crisis" #3 Batman is missing. Could the events in "R.I.P." be taking place after Batman is captured by Kraken in "Final Crisis" and the whole Black Glove, Zurr en Arr= deal over in "R.I.P" just be the result of Granny Goodness screwing with Batman's head and watching ast his all plays out in his mind while the reality of Final Crisis goes down?


Brilliant!

I'm not really enjoying Morrison's Batman and Final Crisis, but I would love it if your idea panned out.

[Mister Mets]

You know, this could actually be true.

... If it is, that's a GIANT cop-out, though. If Morrison's entire run only takes place in Bruce's head, that's really just another way of saying "It was all a dream". I can't see Morrison actually taking that route. Besides, such a resolution would raise a few puzzling questions:

If Morrison's run is only happening in Bruce's head and takes place between FC#2 & 3, -- what has Batman really been up to over the last couple of months? Both Damian and (I think) Jezebelle have been referred to in Detective Comics and other Batman-related titles. There's also the Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul to take into consideration. If all these stories are rendered irrelevant by "R.I.P.", that's just a giant FU to the fans.

Personally, I can't see GM being so careless.This wouldn't be carelessness though, but deliberate planning.

[ZT4]

I think "R.I.P" does sort of take place in his head, but what happens afterwards wont be. He's being shown a truth his detective skills may have uncovered years ago (his father possibly not only being alive, but a criminal), and Jet is bringing out his humanity so that he's more emotionally tied to the revelations creeping out of his head.

Once he realizes the truth, he'll be deposited back on Earth a humbled, broken hero

[BoSoxJay]

Yes, that is my thought too. I don't see it as rendering everything Morrison has done on the title thus far as a hallucination just the Black Glove and Jezebelle part though she may very well be the New Gods version who rejected Granny Goodness helping Bruce fight through the torture Granny is inflicting upon him. It's probably not what is going on but I just can't figure Batman being f*cked by the Glove in R.I.P. and then Batman getting f*cked by the New Gods in Final Crisis going on concurrently but as seperate events when both are being authored by the same writer at the same time.

[K26dp]

While there may be some connection, I doubt it's to the extent that the OP proposes. I doubt GM would have the major plotpoint and key to the entire mystery of RIP be in another book, even one that he is writing.

[DonC]

I thought about this alot on the way to work this morning. Given he is the writer of the two stories I am wondering if there is any connection here at all.


No, there isn't.

[HopeLantern]

That's so interesting. I was thinking about the same thing yesterday as I read Final Crisis. I think that is what's happening. And the fate "worse than death" is that this is all happening inside Bruce's mind... brilliant!

[BoSoxJay]

There is also precedence for Morrison liking the idea of the New God's torturing Bruce. In "Rock of Ages" wasn't the deal that Bruce broke Dessad by withstanding years of torture and not giving in thus driving Dessad insane? I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that there is no connection between the two when Morrison is writing them both and, unless it has been indicated otherwise, the two events seem to be happening in roughly the same period of time.

[Red_Knight]

I already gave my two cents on the OP's idea above, but there's something else that occurred to me today:

Didn't GM explicitly state that R.I.P. takes place before FC? I think he said as much when asked about R.I.P. tying into FC. I definitely remember him promising a 2-part tale after R.I.P. that would tie into FC, too.

So, unless GM flat-out lied in that interview, I think the OP's theory is out the window.

[The Xenos]

The theory doesn't really make sense since Damian and stuff from Morrison's run has been linked at times with other comics. It can't be alll a dream of Bruce's.

There may still be come connection, but I don't see the run being after Final Crisis 1 or in Bruce's head.

Also, when the hell is Final Crisis taking place. It seems to be after every current book.

Then agian, this is DC. They couldn't get the continuity between Countdown to Final Crisis and Final Crisis right.