Superman #677 Discussion Thread....James Robinson's first issue

[Will.S]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/883/883780p1.html

I have to say, the Krypto stuff, Hal and Superman talking it out.....I'm digging it.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Impressive, I'm excited about the new changes for Supes!

[David Atkins]

Good boy, Krypto! Good boy!

That is all.

[octothorp]

Yes, the preview pages were very good. However, I'm dyin' to see Atlas! I still have my copy of First Issue Special #1, featuring Atlas. Of course, being the little kid that I was in the '70s, I was sure an Atlas book would follow. How naive! So, it's been thirty-plus years, but I finally get to see Atlas in action again. Atlas rocks!:smile:

[MaxofSteel]

I'm not sure I much like the dialogue goin' on in these pages. But it's still too early to make any assumptions. The art looks great though.

[WorstThingUS]

I'm not sure I much like the dialogue goin' on in these pages. But it's still too early to make any assumptions. The art looks great though.

I'm not feeling it either. Hal remorseful? Superman mixing up Hal and Kyle? "Man throw thing" from Krypto? Now that last one is just plain stupid. I'm sorry, but it is. Why give Krypto a thought pattern at all? This makes me miss the Silver Age stories when his super-powers gave him human level intelligence.

But it's only two pages from the first issue. Too soon to really judge.

[datriadx18]

I read the preview and I have to admit... I like this slant on the character. I had completely abandoned Superman's titles (hoping to pick up All Star in trades tho) but I'll get this... and see if it holds my interest enough to make it part of my pull list

[cpahl2000]

Renato´s art is amazing and James´stories will make his ar more vivid.

[Justin D.]

I'm okay with Hal and Clark chatting it up like a couple of regular guys, but thought it completely out of character for Clark (and it does seem like Clark here, not Superman) to mention Jade the way he did. Basically calling the dead girlfriend of a friend of his hot. Was a little weird. The art looked great though, and I still have confidence in James Robinson. I'll pick it up and try it out.

[David Atkins]

What's more off-putting is the fact that Mr. Nigh Perfect Memory got his Green Lanterns confused. But....

Good boy, Krypto!

[Toonimator]

Good boy! and Happy! were great bits, but I agree that it was weird having Clark confuse his GLs and mention Kyle being lucky cuz he got to get it on with an exotic hottie like Jade. Also Clark's envy of Hal having the chance to Kirk it up with all sorts of species... seems very bizarre for him, even if he did go on about how Lois was perfect for him & all. Now I'm imagining Supes ogling every alien gal he ever encountered in all his adventures... and that's really strange. Maybe his joke to Lois about x-raying Cat Grant to check for tattoos wasn't really a joke! :tongue:

But space-fetch with Krypto = fun.

[4thHorseman]

The dialogue with Supes was really messed up. It's been pretty much mentioned already, but I also have a problem with him spending more time playing fetch with Krypto in space than maybe watching over Metropolis a little bit more closely.

[chriskenny]

I'm not sure I much like the dialogue goin' on in these pages. But it's still too early to make any assumptions. The art looks great though.

I agree. I think it's whack.

First there is the lame attempt to have Superman talk about girls in a way we can relate to, which is fine, but to say that Hal... oops, Kyle... was lucky with Jade? She died! In his arms, if I remember correctly! It just seemed kind of weird of him to mix Hal and Kyle up, being that they are so far apart in age and so distinct in their personalities.

Then he basically proclaims that he broke the curse of unfortunate relationships, which is laughably presumptuous and downright idiotic. How does he know the same think that happened to Jade or to Kyle's first girlfriend or to Sue Dibny won't happen to Lois tomorrow? And to proclaim that he is immune to tragedy while talking to Hal, who rightly reflects on his lost, is rude beyond measure. And it makes him totally dense on a scary level.

To have a Superman talk with such childlike simplicity on the state of love and happiness for a superhero after the horrors of Identity Crisis, the death of Superboy, and the loss of Chris Kent to the Phantom Zone is so off the mark. While I love James Robinson's work on The Golden Age and Starman, this is a bad first impression on how he is going to characterize Superman.

The rest of the issue was alright, though a little skimpy on actual story.

[Jack Zodiac]

Lotta focus on this new Science Police character. I supposed Robinson is going to bring them into the spotlight some more after Busiek introduced them. That could be interesting. But I was a little disappointed that we didn't get to see much of his Superman, and what little we did was unusual. Yeah, the dialogue was incredibly confusing and somewhat unnecessary, but the tone of his Superman is pretty decent, and I think that once he fleshes out his concept of the character, I'll be pleased with it. Playing fetch in space with his superdog was a nice start.

Oh, and Guedes stepped up a lot with the art. His rough, over-detailed realism is a little more stylized now. A little softer. And it looks a lot nicer than his previous work on the character.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I've been burned by James Robinson's hackwork in the past, so I'm gonna wait another issue before passing judgement quite yet. I'll definitely be back for next issue though.

Robinson's first couple years on Starman earned him a lot of credit with me.

[B. Kuwanger]

There was a mild amount of hype in picking this up, and I guess I'd say it delivered. If the approach is weird enough and not forced it stands a chance of growing on me. Really excited about the fight in the next issue.

[chriskenny]

I've been burned by James Robinson's hackwork in the past, so I'm gonna wait another issue before passing judgement quite yet. I'll definitely be back for next issue though.

Robinson's first couple years on Starman earned him a lot of credit with me.

Yeah, I'm torn between the guy who wrote Golden Age and Starman, and the guy who wrote the One Year Later Two-Face story over in Batman and this issue. They seem like two totally different writers entirely.

I can't get excited by fights in of themselves anymore. Panel after panel of Superman punching Atlas and him punching back alone can't get me to read a book. At least in a story like Last Son there are so many other dramatic angles that were begging to be answered which made the physical confrontations have dramatic weight... outnumbered by Kryptonian criminals... trapped in the Phantom Zone... the connection with his past... There are so many outstanding questions and uncertainties that you have to pick up the next issue to see how they get resolved. But with a story like this it is just a big muscle guy challenging Superman to fight. Big whoop. I just wish the climax had some kind of revelation or hook to make the promise of something more than just a brawl the next issue.

[And_Hex_begat_Awesome]

Yeah, I'm gonna join the harping choir on Clark's dialogue with Hal. He came off as really dense. Talking about how hot a woman was who died in a friend's arms? Hal tells him basically how heartbreaking it is for their kind when it comes to relationships, and Clark brushes him off with, "I broke the curse." What?? After all Hal's been through, Clark's the type of guy who would be sensitive to that. That was some way-back Guy Gardner stuff on Clark's part. And I'd like to think that Clark would at least keep an eye on planet Earth for things like twenty-storey rampaging monsters rather than be swept up in a game of fetch with Krypto. Superman is the peak of heroism; he's who every superhero looks up to. He's not some dumb farmboy. Other characters typically come away inspired after talking to him, yet here we have a conversation with him borderline sending Hal into a depression with his callousness.

I don't know. I'll give this one another shot just because it's supposed to synch up with Action Comics after this arc, but I wasn't really impressed with the characterization in this one.

[B. Kuwanger]

Me neither. Which is why I'm waiting for the confrontation next issue, not only because of the action, but because it'll be a real introduction to Atlas and hopefully, a better grip on Superman. Because honestly, I agree, that chat with Hal was bizarre. Not up on my GL, but among other things, did he confuse Hal for Kyle?

[WorstThingUS]

Yeah, I'm gonna join the harping choir on Clark's dialogue with Hal. He came off as really dense. Talking about how hot a woman was who died in a friend's arms? Hal tells him basically how heartbreaking it is for their kind when it comes to relationships, and Clark brushes him off with, "I broke the curse." What?? After all Hal's been through, Clark's the type of guy who would be sensitive to that. That was some way-back Guy Gardner stuff on Clark's part. And I'd like to think that Clark would at least keep an eye on planet Earth for things like twenty-storey rampaging monsters rather than be swept up in a game of fetch with Krypto. Superman is the peak of heroism; he's who every superhero looks up to. He's not some dumb farmboy. Other characters typically come away inspired after talking to him, yet here we have a conversation with him borderline sending Hal into a depression with his callousness.

I don't know. I'll give this one another shot just because it's supposed to synch up with Action Comics after this arc, but I wasn't really impressed with the characterization in this one.

This reminds me of Chuck Austen's horrible run, when Superman was wisecracking like he was Spider-Man. I'm sorry, but I've seen more of that the essence of Superman is on friggin' Smallville and Smallville blows. Probably the only person more compassionate than Superman was J'onn Jonnzz, so this just fails in every way possible. And I'd ask were editorial was, but we know DC has no editorial, especially where "stars" are concerned.

I know I'm one of the few unimpressed by Busiek's run, but it was better than this right out of the gate.

[ZT4]

Good lord was that issue bollocks...I think the art and action scene layouts did a better job that the dialouge selling the characters...Supes comes off as an idiot full of himself...and mistaking Hal for Kyle will go down with "Goddman Batman" as one ofd the dumbest things to do with a DC icon

This is the guy who wrote STARMAN?

[Binker]

By Nathaniel Ruff (also known as Binker, Binker2 and Nate on many forums)

SUPERMAN #677

Written by James Robinson
Art by Renato Guedes and José Wilson Magalháes
Cover by Alex Ross
Variant Cover by Renato Guedes
Edited by Matt Idelson

PLOT:
James Robinson arrives as the new ongoing writer of SUPERMAN as changes abound in the life of the Man of Steel! A frighteningly powerful new presence declares Metropolis his, a monster strikes the harbor of the City of Tomorrow, Green Lantern guest-stars for a unique game of fetch, and the Science Police arrive on the scene. And this is only issue one of the new run!

REVIEW:
It's that time of year again; the time where summer movies of any kind dominate our viewing pleasure at the cinemas. The same is also for comic books as big stylized, eventful stories for the summer have now begun for our reading pleasure as well. For Marvel; the event for their universe started with "Secret Invasion", while for example for their other books, we countdown to the 500th issue of Uncanny X-Men (it is also when Astonishing X-Men will be more linked to the X-books than before). DC is no different: the Final Crisis event has started, what could be considered an event in the form of DC's third weekly series, Trinity, has recently begun, and Batman has his event in the form of "Batman R.I.P.", but that is just the beginning. Just like Wonder Woman's current pre-event storyline, another character is getting the same thing before his newest event, and that someone is our own Man of Steel: Superman! This month marks the start of talked about new beginnings for the Superman books, and in this case, the beginning of new ongoing writer James Robinson on the book! Soon, he and Geoff Johns will link both Action and Superman, as well as Supergirl, to create a pure trinity of Super-books in time for Superman's next event. So instead of continuing on in this introduction, here is Robinson's first story arc on Superman: "Atlas"!

A character narration by...Krypto? The Super Dog? That is one of many things that we get from James Robinson's first issue of Superman. I've never read anything from Robinson at all, but I've heard many good things about him such as his run on Starman. And one of those things was that he was unique. Another thing is that, in this first issue of his run, Robinson might be pulling a Greg Rucka, from what he did when he started on Wonder Woman, and Jeph Loeb, from "Superman For All Seasons", in which the narrations are more from others than Superman's. Such as Hal Jordan, who narrates his point of view of Superman when the two are in space with Krypto, and with Travis DuBarry, on his adventures in Metropolis as part of the Science Police. But from this uniqueness, we get something else that I wasn't expecting: flaws. The narrations from Travis, and maybe even Hal, were boring and tiresome. You didn't even care for what they were saying. Travis' felt more like how Frank Miller does his character narrations. And when Atlas came in, while the next issue promises alot more about who he is, it felt more like the first issues of "Death of Superman", with Atlas in place of Doomsday, making a mess before Superman arrived. And at the end of that, the rest of the issue just felt dull. That was unexpected, for me.

Overall, James Robinson's first issue of his run was okay. Yes, this is a set up issue for the arc, and we do get some action (not with Superman though), but there were some other things that I thought could've been better. The narrations and Atlas were portrayed as boring, pointless, and dull. And because it's a set up issue, there is no way I'll say "it's over before it ever began with Robinson". Not the case, really. Since the next issues are action-packed stories, it's most likely that this will all pick up, have a nice time, and enjoy this arc and like this issue more so than we did previously. That is the hope I have, and if Geoff wanted him on the book, and that was seen in this uniqueness Robinson brought also that you must not forget. You know there is more to come by him. But as of now, with just this first issue, it was just okay.

RATING: Okay

Next Issue: The fight is on the streets: Superman vs. Atlas!

[Ontir]

I friggin' love Krypto!

I'm also thrilled $#!+le$$ that Robinson is back in the DCU!

[Joe Acro]

I didn't mind the Krypto thoughts. I didn't mind Hal's presence. I actually rather enjoyed the Science Police and Atlas scenes.

I liked nothing about the Superman portrayal. He talks of Hal dating alien women, and then brings up Jade (who isn't alien). Worse, he confused Hal with Kyle, when over in Final Crisis he knows the name of an Alpha Lantern who hasn't even been introduced. He has weird memory issues. Also, he turns his back on the world to play catch, and doesn't even notice any trouble until his name is called. (He could've played catch and still remained on duty.) And I just didn't get the point of the entire conversation in the first place.

[And_Hex_begat_Awesome]

Also, nice to see the elite Science Police are just like regular cops. A guy shows up and saves a bunch of people, screams for Superman, and they open fire, no questions asked rather than try to calm him down and defuse the situation, lol. And the Scott family may want to look into a restraining order. Last month, Clark talks about how much he admires Allan Scott, this month he's talking about how hot his late daughter was. Unintentional hilarity ensues. Superman's a fanboy!

[J. Robb]

That Superman and Hal scene makes perfect sense if you imagine that Superman is 14-years old.

[CBikle]

I liked nothing about the Superman portrayal. He talks of Hal dating alien women, and then brings up Jade (who isn't alien). Worse, he confused Hal with Kyle, when over in Final Crisis he knows the name of an Alpha Lantern who hasn't even been introduced. He has weird memory issues.

I figure his super-memory is focussed on important stuff and not so much on things like offhand superhero-gossip that he probably unintentionally picked up with his super-hearing.

Also, memories aren't always absolute; personally, I can remember all sorts of stupid pop-culture trivia, but I have difficulty remembering names (to this day, I still don't know my neighbors' names, which is sometimes awkward).

[CBikle]

Yeah, I'm gonna join the harping choir on Clark's dialogue with Hal. He came off as really dense. Talking about how hot a woman was who died in a friend's arms? Hal tells him basically how heartbreaking it is for their kind when it comes to relationships, and Clark brushes him off with, "I broke the curse." What?? After all Hal's been through, Clark's the type of guy who would be sensitive to that. That was some way-back Guy Gardner stuff on Clark's part.

To me it just seemed like the kind of honest, unfiltered, candid conversation that friends can have, which often includes people unintentionally saying dumb things, like the Jade/Kyle stuff.

Both of these guys have come back from the dead; maybe that puts some perspective on things ?

[Mister Mets]

By Nathaniel Ruff (also known as Binker, Binker2 and Nate on many forums)

SUPERMAN #677

Written by James Robinson
Art by Renato Guedes and José Wilson Magalháes
Cover by Alex Ross
Variant Cover by Renato Guedes
Edited by Matt Idelson

PLOT:
James Robinson arrives as the new ongoing writer of SUPERMAN as changes abound in the life of the Man of Steel! A frighteningly powerful new presence declares Metropolis his, a monster strikes the harbor of the City of Tomorrow, Green Lantern guest-stars for a unique game of fetch, and the Science Police arrive on the scene. And this is only issue one of the new run!

REVIEW:
It's that time of year again; the time where summer movies of any kind dominate our viewing pleasure at the cinemas. The same is also for comic books as big stylized, eventful stories for the summer have now begun for our reading pleasure as well. For Marvel; the event for their universe started with "Secret Invasion", while for example for their other books, we countdown to the 500th issue of Uncanny X-Men (it is also when Astonishing X-Men will be more linked to the X-books than before). DC is no different: the Final Crisis event has started, what could be considered an event in the form of DC's third weekly series, Trinity, has recently begun, and Batman has his event in the form of "Batman R.I.P.", but that is just the beginning. Just like Wonder Woman's current pre-event storyline, another character is getting the same thing before his newest event, and that someone is our own Man of Steel: Superman! This month marks the start of talked about new beginnings for the Superman books, and in this case, the beginning of new ongoing writer James Robinson on the book! Soon, he and Geoff Johns will link both Action and Superman, as well as Supergirl, to create a pure trinity of Super-books in time for Superman's next event. So instead of continuing on in this introduction, here is Robinson's first story arc on Superman: "Atlas"!

A character narration by...Krypto? The Super Dog? That is one of many things that we get from James Robinson's first issue of Superman. I've never read anything from Robinson at all, but I've heard many good things about him such as his run on Starman. And one of those things was that he was unique. Another thing is that, in this first issue of his run, Robinson might be pulling a Greg Rucka, from what he did when he started on Wonder Woman, and Jeph Loeb, from "Superman For All Seasons", in which the narrations are more from others than Superman's. Such as Hal Jordan, who narrates his point of view of Superman when the two are in space with Krypto, and with Travis DuBarry, on his adventures in Metropolis as part of the Science Police. But from this uniqueness, we get something else that I wasn't expecting: flaws. The narrations from Travis, and maybe even Hal, were boring and tiresome. You didn't even care for what they were saying. Travis' felt more like how Frank Miller does his character narrations. And when Atlas came in, while the next issue promises alot more about who he is, it felt more like the first issues of "Death of Superman", with Atlas in place of Doomsday, making a mess before Superman arrived. And at the end of that, the rest of the issue just felt dull. That was unexpected, for me.

Overall, James Robinson's first issue of his run was okay. Yes, this is a set up issue for the arc, and we do get some action (not with Superman though), but there were some other things that I thought could've been better. The narrations and Atlas were portrayed as boring, pointless, and dull. And because it's a set up issue, there is no way I'll say "it's over before it ever began with Robinson". Not the case, really. Since the next issues are action-packed stories, it's most likely that this will all pick up, have a nice time, and enjoy this arc and like this issue more so than we did previously. That is the hope I have, and if Geoff wanted him on the book, and that was seen in this uniqueness Robinson brought also that you must not forget. You know there is more to come by him. But as of now, with just this first issue, it was just okay.

RATING: Okay

Next Issue: The fight is on the streets: Superman vs. Atlas!You've never read anything by Robinson?

Check out The Golden Age next chance you get. It's one of the finest comic books ever.

The Starman Omnibus Volume 1 is also excellent.

[JCAll]

This is quite possibly the worst issue of Superman I've ever read...in...my...life!

It's not even that the plot is bad. Superman playing catch with Krypto in space (AWESOME) while the Science police take on a giant monster in Metropolis, until someone they think is Superman shows up to save them, but it's actually Atlus and he beats them into the ground before Superman shows up for real.

I can dig it.

But it features some of the most brain dead dialog I've ever heard.

Clark: My dog is awesome. Say isn't your hot girlfriend dead?
Hal: Actually that was the other...
Clark: Who cares. Isn't my dog awesome?
Hal: Totally awesome!
Clark: My wife is much hotter than that dead girl.
Hal: I'd hit it.
(well it's not an exact quote)

It's painful looking at that drek. My brain tried to shut down my eyes so I wouldn't read more of it. But I powered through that and found out that James Robinson's ability to write bad dialog is eclipsed only by his ability to write bad thought caption.

The action is fine, the art is good. If you have to buy it, just skip the words and look at the pictures.

[Mon-el]

Hmmmmmm I was very unimpressed with this issue. I think my expectations was really high. I agree with most of the responses here.

I still don't really care for Guedes art. I don't think it's so much as his pencils, but rather the colorist on this issue. I'm tired of the muted colors.

Quite disappointing overall....

Edit: I had saw the preview pages a couple of days ago. I will say that the issue looks alot better in person than reading it on the internet. I almost didn't pick up the issue due to looking at the preview pages. .

[B. Kuwanger]

I can't seem to find myself very troubled. Yeah, the thing with Hal was like a very awkward conversation between people who'd only met three other times, and Robinson had a better time with Krypto's dialog than Superman's, and the entire thing could basically be summed up with "Metropolis is attacked while Superman plays with his dog," but this is definitely just a small step in a story that's bound to be epic on some level. I think most books in this position would have a hard time impressing everyone.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I figure his super-memory is focussed on important stuff and not so much on things like offhand superhero-gossip that he probably unintentionally picked up with his super-hearing.

Also, memories aren't always absolute; personally, I can remember all sorts of stupid pop-culture trivia, but I have difficulty remembering names (to this day, I still don't know my neighbors' names, which is sometimes awkward).

But you aren't Superman. Superman is not just some dude who doesn't pay much attention to his friends' love lives. He's ****ing Superman.

Kyle dating Jade wasn't offhand superhero gossip. They didn't have some one-night stand after defeating Sonar one time. Kyle & Jade were in a serious longterm relationship for about 5 years, which has gotta be at least 6 months to a year in DCU time. They lived together for even longer. She died in his arms fer cryin' out loud.

This is Superman, the guy who goes to super-hero funerals nobody else does because everyone thinks they'll be resurrected in a few months anyway. He certainly knows the details of her death.

And we're supposed to buy that Superman, of all the heroes in the DCU, would forget all this and confuse Hal with Kyle because they both have power rings? He's known both these guys for years. He's not a random guy walking into a comic story for the first time in a decade.

While I certainly buy that James Robinson or a character like Jack Knight wouldn't know or care too much about all this nonsense, to have Superman make this mistake is pretty jarring.

However, it's not a deal-breaker for me. But it was a pretty glarring mischaracterization on Robinson's part.

[David Atkins]

Oh, and Guedes stepped up a lot with the art. His rough, over-detailed realism is a little more stylized now. A little softer. And it looks a lot nicer than his previous work on the character.

I don't particularly like the way he draws Superman, specifically, but for some reason, I tend to be ultra picky about how Superman is drawn. It isn't as repulsive to me as, say, Ed McGuiness' take on the character, however.

[Ilash]

I cannot believe James Robinson wrote this frankly awful Superman story. The characterization was off, the plot was uninvolving and the dialogue and narration was hurl-inducingly overwritten.

The art was OK though.

[WorstThingUS]

I can't seem to find myself very troubled. Yeah, the thing with Hal was like a very awkward conversation between people who'd only met three other times, and Robinson had a better time with Krypto's dialog than Superman's, and the entire thing could basically be summed up with "Metropolis is attacked while Superman plays with his dog," but this is definitely just a small step in a story that's bound to be epic on some level. I think most books in this position would have a hard time impressing everyone.

....especially when you blow the characterization of the most famous superhero in history directly out of the gate. But what's most troubling is that between the time he wrote it and it seeing print absolutely no on at DC noticed how horrible it was.

[Karl O'Neill]

Okay,

First Things first, I enjoyed this first issue quite a bit, I guess the jade/girlfriend of kyle went over my head because i didn't really invest in the last vol of Green lantern, so that's okay for me.

I loved the introduction of Atlas and he hope there is more to him than just a big fight betwee him and superman, I am interested in his backstory and his motives, what drives him? Rage? or maybe superman does something to affect the past which is why Altas is looking for revenge or a showdown with Kal el.

The art wad so good, Top notch, I'll admit i hopelessly love Renato guedes art style and linework, always have, and i think he has improved leaps and bounds.

Looking forward to the next issue.

8.5 out of 10.

[WorstThingUS]

Okay,

First Things first, I enjoyed this first issue quite a bit, I guess the jade/girlfriend of kyle went over my head because i didn't really invest in the last vol of Green lantern, so that's okay for me.

It's not about your investment, but Superman's. It's saying that Superman of all people would so callous, ignorant and flippant about a dead woman who not only was a comrade herself, but was the daughter of one and the love of another. And that he wouldn't be optimistic about everyone finding what he's found with Lois. This is not Superman.

[Xero]

I enjoyed it, parts of the dialogue between Superman and Hal Jordan felt stilted, but it was great to see Atlas again. I think it will take time for James to find Superman's voice, and I'm perfectly willing to give it to him.

James Robinson wrote some of the best DC comics of the 90's so I have no problem waiting. If it weren't for him I wouldn't even be wasting my money on Superman.

[Fatguy]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to play parrot here, and echo some of the sentiment. The issue felt a little....off. The dialogue, by both Supes and the Science cop seemed just kinda weird. Something about the structure of it? I honestly can't say. It was just off.

Not a terrible issue by any means, but it read strangely.

[Sean Whitmore]

Yeah, not a great start. The dialog was pretty bad throughout, and that's not even factoring in how off-voice Superman was. I mean, even if the things he was saying made any sense, they weren't said well. Ditto for Hal, Atlas, and the Science Cop.

And...Superman heard his name being called from space, but didn't hear the big monster stomping through Metropolis? Seems like the superhero equivalent of Googling yourself.


SEAN

[David Atkins]

Actually, I think it's been established that Superman filters through a lot of what he hears, often listening particularly for cries of help and his name... right?

[Sean Whitmore]

Actually, I think it's been established that Superman filters through a lot of what he hears, often listening particularly for cries of help and his name... right?

True, it's just weird that a giant rampaging monster knocking over buildings while guys shoot lasers at it for an extended period of time is something that doesn't get through the filter. :smile:

I mean, I know it's one of those things you're not supposed to think about. It just strikes me as a weird, weird choice to showcase him not hearing the monster and him hearing his name in the same book.


SEAN

[Lupek]

I've got to agree with many here that Supermans dialogue seemed off. I am no Superman expert mind you, it just didnt sound right.

And the narration from the Science Police guy, DuBarry, was also weird. In the middle of fighting a giant monster he's wondering why "big hard McCafferty" doesnt smile at him? Yikes.

On the plus side, I'd welcome Hal Jordan and especially, Krypto to be regular guest stars. Also, I enjoyed the Renato Guedes artwork but his style seems slightly different. And though we don't know a lot about him, Atlas is bad ass.

The positive outweighed the negative for me here. I loved Busieks run and I am still hoping I will love whats to come.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

True, it's just weird that a giant rampaging monster knocking over buildings while guys shoot lasers at it for an extended period of time is something that doesn't get through the filter. :smile:

I mean, I know it's one of those things you're not supposed to think about. It just strikes me as a weird, weird choice to showcase him not hearing the monster and him hearing his name in the same book.


SEAN

Although this has never really mattered in the past, perhaps it took the sound a while to reach him way out in space.....where there is no sound....so.....

Um, the more I think about it, the scene doesn't make much sense either way. In the vacuum of space, Superman wouldn't be able to hear either a giant monster rampaging through Metropolis or a guy crying out for Superman's help.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the theory that Superman's powers have an unquantifiable telepathic element to them. Superman subconsciously tunes his brain to pick up life or death cries for his help....or something.

It would certainly explain why nobody can see through the glasses disguise:wink:

[dupersuper]

Clark: My dog is awesome. Say isn't your hot girlfriend dead?
Hal: Actually that was the other...
Clark: Who cares. Isn't my dog awesome?
Hal: Totally awesome!
Clark: My wife is much hotter than that dead girl.
Hal: I'd hit it.


:biggrin: That's about right. I liked the Atlas/Science Police/Krypto stuff fine, but the Hal/Kyle mix up, and commenting on the hotness of a friends dead one time fiance...weird. Also, why is he able to hear in space...:confused:

[Crimson]

Can I ask, as a fairly new reader to Superman (I try him every couple of years when there is a hyped run, never really stuck)... does he need a spacehelmut made by Green Lantern? I thought he could breath in outerspace

[SirIvy]

Well he needs to be able to talk to Hal so I think that was what the little air bubble was for.

[NeoStar9X]

Characterization. Why do people expect a character to be the exact same no matter the author. Weren't people complaining about the last writer and how he presented Superman? Now people are upset the new writer isn't writing him like how the past writer did? I'm confused. Seem like complaining for the sake of it. Unless the character is completely off the mark is it really a bad thing? Aren't authors suppose to put their own spin on things as long as they stay true to the essence of the character and don't have them do something completely and obviously out of character?

Instead of harping on the Jade conversation, which seems like a minor thing in the grand scheme and I'm sure only took up one dialogue bubble, what about what else took place in the story?

What about the Science Police? This new character that seems apart of them? Do they show where Atlas comes from? What kind of damage is he really doing?

Seriously people jump on one thing and act as if it was the end of the world while ignoring everything else.

[dupersuper]

Characterization. Why do people expect a character to be the exact same no matter the author. Weren't people complaining about the last writer and how he presented Superman? Now people are upset the new writer isn't writing him like how the past writer did? I'm confused. Seem like complaining for the sake of it. Unless the character is completely off the mark is it really a bad thing? Aren't authors suppose to put their own spin on things as long as they stay true to the essence of the character and don't have them do something completely and obviously out of character?

Instead of harping on the Jade conversation, which seems like a minor thing in the grand scheme and I'm sure only took up one dialogue bubble, what about what else took place in the story?


We have commented on what else took place in the story, we just commented on this to; and, minor bit as it may be, Superman WAS completely off the mark. Also, while I've read comments from people who had issue with Busieks plots/style/etc., I've never read anything from ANY one saying he got Clarks charactor wrong.