X-Men Legacy #213 Spoilers!!!!!!

[Samuraixsithlord]

not all the spoilers because i flipped through the issue at my local comic shop, but some tidbits

Xavior gets captured by the Assassin's Guild.

Gambit and Shaw team up to free him.

Shaws dad stole notes from Sinister and built the Cronus machine. He somehow used this as a bargaining chip to keep Sinister away from Shaw.

Sinister survives in the body of a 100 year old woman. He apparently suspected Mystique and Gambit of some sort of Treachery, so he made back up plans.

Shaw and Gambit come to the rescue. Shaw kills the old woman thinking he's killed Sinister.

Gambit finds out that Sinister has possessed Xavior.

[psycwave]

I said it once it another thread and ill say it again....DEATH TO XAVIER!!!!!

[Nyssane]

ANY PRISM? *hasn't gotten the issue yet*

Besides the cover, of course.

[Beast]

I knew there was no way that Sinister was going to be killed so easily.

So Sinny's was in a woman's body? He missed his chance to fulfill his obsession with Scott Summers.

And since Sinister's a telepath, Scott wouldn't be able to resist. :biggrin:

[CMBMOOL]

I knew there was no way that Sinister was going to be killed so easily.

So Sinny's was in a woman's body? He missed his chance to fulfill his obsession with Scott Summers.

And since Sinister's a telepath, Scott wouldn't be able to resist. :biggrin:


Ha ha, Beast very funny. :tongue:

Well I guess this issue proves how Sinster survived Messiah Complex. :redface:

[Monty_Cristo]

now we know what he did with Malice's DNA. he totally stole the body-hopping from her.

[caney]

Ummm... did I read the same comic? Those spoilers seem a bit off and misleading from what I read.

[Red Lotus]

not all the spoilers because i flipped through the issue at my local comic shop, but some tidbits

Xavior gets captured by the Assassin's Guild.

Gambit and Shaw team up to free him.

Shaws dad stole notes from Sinister and built the Cronus machine. He somehow used this as a bargaining chip to keep Sinister away from Shaw.

Sinister survives in the body of a 100 year old woman. He apparently suspected Mystique and Gambit of some sort of Treachery, so he made back up plans.

Shaw and Gambit come to the rescue. Shaw kills the old woman thinking he's killed Sinister.

Gambit finds out that Sinister has possessed Xavior.

I don’t think this right. Sinister made this machine that would download his self into one of the kids who he injected his self into. The woman wanted Sinister’s powers so she inject her self but she made it so that she would only get his powers. But she had to kill Xavier and the others on the list so when the machine came on Sinister's powers would be downloaded into her.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don’t think this right. Sinister made this machine that would download his self into one of the kids who he injected his self into. The woman wanted Sinister’s powers so she inject her self but she made it so that she would only get his powers. But she had to kill Xavier and the others on the list so when the machine came on Sinister's powers would be downloaded into her.

?????????????????? this thread is MADNESS!!

[darknessatnoon]

?????????????????? this thread is MADNESS!!

I would be angry about this confusion if I cared what happens in this book.

[Samuraixsithlord]

?????????????????? this thread is MADNESS!!

my bad:frown:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So Sinny's was in a woman's body? He missed his chance to fulfill his obsession with Scott Summers.

And since Sinister's a telepath, Scott wouldn't be able to resist. :biggrin:

Now, see, you've got it all wrong. Or, say, you're giving Cyke too much credit.

He dates HOT telepaths so he won't have to go through the whole 'talking about feelings' routine on a regular basis. A 100 years old woman isn't exactly his type. Thus, the telepath angle has no tactical application and isn't an actual variable.

Tsk tsk tsk. :biggrin:

[drwho]

my bad:frown:

That is okay it will at least be entertaining when the whiners show up. :biggrin:

[psycwave]

We are missing the point...XAVIER MUST DIE!!!(Like the mutant baby)lol:biggrin:

[frog]

That is okay it will at least be entertaining when the whiners show up. :biggrin:

Samuraixsithlord at least has the grace to apologize.

[caney]

I don’t think this right. Sinister made this machine that would download his self into one of the kids who he injected his self into. The woman wanted Sinister’s powers so she inject her self but she made it so that she would only get his powers. But she had to kill Xavier and the others on the list so when the machine came on Sinister's powers would be downloaded into her.

Yes, this is more accurate.

Basically Sinister knew he would die at some point, because, well people tend to die eventually even when they're Mr. Sinister. So to plan for that event, he he built this Cronus machine that was designed to trigger upon his death and activate DNA which he injected into kids while he was working on the Black Womb project. The result would be that he would basically download himself into the body of one of these kids and be reborn. The machine was designed to cycle through all the people he injected until the plan worked. Shaw was one of the people injected, but his father, who had worked with Sinister, knew of Sinister's plan and built another machine that would protect Shaw from Sinister's machine. Xavier's friend who had died in the previous issue was another kid injected by Sinister, but the process didn't work on him (it killed him instead) because he had lost his X-gene on M-day. The old woman was aparently the first mutant Sinister ever found (her power being that she can't die, but this didn't stop her from growing old and withered). Basically, she found out about Sinister's machine and decided to inject herself with a modified version his DNA so that the machine would transform her by giving her his powers but not overwriting her mind with his personality. Unfortunately the machine was set to seek out the other people Sinister injected first, so to make sure that it transformed her instead of them, she hired the assassins to kill the other candidates. But in the end, it seems she didn't kill Xavier in time so he has been transformed by the machine into a host for Sinister.

I think...

[Pro]

I'll wait for a decent review or until friday to comment ..

Basically Sinister knew he would die at some point ... so he has been transformed by the machine into a host for Sinister.

Okay that makes a little more sense, sounds interesting.

[frog]

Yes, this is more accurate.

Basically Sinister knew he would die at some point, because, well people tend to die eventually even when they're Mr. Sinister. So to plan for that event, he he built this Cronus machine that was designed to trigger upon his death and activate DNA which he injected into kids while he was working on the Black Womb project. The result would be that he would basically download himself into the body of one of these kids and be reborn. The machine was designed to cycle through all the people he injected until the plan worked. Shaw was one of the people injected, but his father, who had worked with Sinister, knew of Sinister's plan and built another machine that would protect Shaw from Sinister's machine. Xavier's friend who had died in the previous issue was another kid injected by Sinister, but the process didn't work on him (it killed him instead) because he had lost his X-gene on M-day. The old woman was aparently the first mutant Sinister ever found (her power being that she can't die, but this didn't stop her from growing old and withered). Basically, she found out about Sinister's machine and decided to inject herself with a modified version his DNA so that the machine would transform her by giving her his powers but not overwriting her mind with his personality. Unfortunately the machine was set to seek out the other people Sinister injected first, so to make sure that it transformed her instead of them, she hired the assassins to kill the other candidates. But in the end, it seems she didn't kill Xavier in time so he has been transformed by the machine into a host for Sinister.

I think...

Now this sounds very interesting. Has it changed Xavier's appearance?

[Red Lotus]

Now this sounds very interesting. Has it changed Xavier's appearance?

He just has red eyes and Sinisters red mark on his forehead

[darknessatnoon]

This sounds a lot like the plot of Colossus's Bloodlines mini-series.

[psycwave]

He just has red eyes and Sinisters red mark on his forehead

He must be killed for he is a demon!!!:eek: :evilsmile:

[Beast]

From Mr. Sinister to Professor Sinister. He's moving up in the world.

[CyberHubbs]

Yes, this is more accurate.

Basically Sinister knew he would die at some point, because, well people tend to die eventually even when they're Mr. Sinister. So to plan for that event, he he built this Cronus machine that was designed to trigger upon his death and activate DNA which he injected into kids while he was working on the Black Womb project. The result would be that he would basically download himself into the body of one of these kids and be reborn. The machine was designed to cycle through all the people he injected until the plan worked. Shaw was one of the people injected, but his father, who had worked with Sinister, knew of Sinister's plan and built another machine that would protect Shaw from Sinister's machine. Xavier's friend who had died in the previous issue was another kid injected by Sinister, but the process didn't work on him (it killed him instead) because he had lost his X-gene on M-day. The old woman was aparently the first mutant Sinister ever found (her power being that she can't die, but this didn't stop her from growing old and withered). Basically, she found out about Sinister's machine and decided to inject herself with a modified version his DNA so that the machine would transform her by giving her his powers but not overwriting her mind with his personality. Unfortunately the machine was set to seek out the other people Sinister injected first, so to make sure that it transformed her instead of them, she hired the assassins to kill the other candidates. But in the end, it seems she didn't kill Xavier in time so he has been transformed by the machine into a host for Sinister.

I think...

That sounds freakishly complicated. But kinda cool at the same time.

[frog]

Well, I don't think anyone can say nothing happened in this issue!

[gorthon616]

Yes, this is more accurate.

Basically Sinister knew he would die at some point, because, well people tend to die eventually even when they're Mr. Sinister. So to plan for that event, he he built this Cronus machine that was designed to trigger upon his death and activate DNA which he injected into kids while he was working on the Black Womb project. The result would be that he would basically download himself into the body of one of these kids and be reborn. The machine was designed to cycle through all the people he injected until the plan worked. Shaw was one of the people injected, but his father, who had worked with Sinister, knew of Sinister's plan and built another machine that would protect Shaw from Sinister's machine. Xavier's friend who had died in the previous issue was another kid injected by Sinister, but the process didn't work on him (it killed him instead) because he had lost his X-gene on M-day. The old woman was aparently the first mutant Sinister ever found (her power being that she can't die, but this didn't stop her from growing old and withered). Basically, she found out about Sinister's machine and decided to inject herself with a modified version his DNA so that the machine would transform her by giving her his powers but not overwriting her mind with his personality. Unfortunately the machine was set to seek out the other people Sinister injected first, so to make sure that it transformed her instead of them, she hired the assassins to kill the other candidates. But in the end, it seems she didn't kill Xavier in time so he has been transformed by the machine into a host for Sinister.

I think...

Okay, that sounds like a plot that is moving somewhere interesting.

I just cross my fingers that he isn't cured in the next issue.

[Beast]

Well, I don't think anyone can say nothing happened in this issue!
They'll complain regardless. :wink:

[Pro]

This sounds a lot like the plot of Colossus's Bloodlines mini-series.

While i didnt read the story i got the gist of it and yea it does. But in a less sucky fashion :p.

[timbox]

Now this sounds very interesting. Has it changed Xavier's appearance?

red eyes and the Sinister diamond on his forehead.

[Diablito]

So is the old woman a powered mutant? If so, what's her name (personal list reasons).

[Hi-Fi]

Sounds... weird. But interesting.

Is the wold woman Amada Mueller aka Black Womb?

[lockerogue]

The issue was totally wtf awesome.

[caney]

Sounds... weird. But interesting.

Is the wold woman Amada Mueller aka Black Womb?

I'm not sure. I'm not super familiar with the whole Black Womb thing. She was a very very old and almost decayed looking woman, who apparently has the mutant power to not die. Sort of like a "Death Becomes Her" kinda thing. That's alls I know. Maybe someone else can add more?

[caney]

Oh, and also, this was probably my favorite issue of Legacy so far. I really haven't been enjoying it, but this issue piqued my interest.

[timbox]

Yes it was Black Womb except she had awesome long hair and looked gorgeous! She obviously was on CBR reading Josef's hair thread and is trying to get a mention!

[timbox]

Oh, and also, this was probably my favorite issue of Legacy so far. I really haven't been enjoying it, but this issue piqued my interest.

Caney speaks truth even dn@n would like this issue!

[Hi-Fi]

LOL, yeah, Jason, old woman = black womb (Amanda Muller).

I can't wait to read it now. Is she dead now?

I'm glad about the HAIR, Tim. She did have years to treat it.

[caney]

LOL, yeah, Jason, old woman = black womb (Amanda Muller).

I can't wait to read it now. Is she dead now?

I'm glad about the HAIR, Tim. She did have years to treat it.

She didn't die that I could tell. Shaw didn't attack her. He tried to break the machine, but it protected itself.

[frog]

Things are coming together now. I like!

[psycwave]

Yes it was Black Womb except she had awesome long hair and looked gorgeous! She obviously was on CBR reading Josef's hair thread and is trying to get a mention!

What?!? I must see this magnificent hair!

[Pach!]

Caney, you suck. jk



this issue sounds like fun. Will buy.

[timbox]

I am totally confused over the flashback scene artist, can anyone tell who it is? The issue only lists Eaton, but it was AT LEAST a different color style, and it looked really great so I must know.

[Red Lotus]

LOL, yeah, Jason, old woman = black womb (Amanda Muller).

I can't wait to read it now. Is she dead now?

I'm glad about the HAIR, Tim. She did have years to treat it.

No she didn't die. I dont think she can.

[LordAllMighty]

Interesting, Xavier with Sinister's powers = Evil Martian Manhunter or Onslaught part 2.:evilsmile:

[psycwave]

Interesting, Xavier with Sinister's powers = Martian Manhunter.:evilsmile:

Another reason to kill the man!:evilsmile:

[frog]

No she didn't die. I dont think she can.

If you think about it, that's not really a good power to have. Imagine being stuck in a withered useless body for eternity.

[timbox]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5946/blackwombbk4.jpg

[frog]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5946/blackwombbk4.jpg

Yeah. Once past 80 don't wear tube tops and minis.

[Beast]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5946/blackwombbk4.jpg
Grandma! How many times have I told you you're to old to wear outfits like that!!

[Hi-Fi]

I LOVE her.

[psycwave]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5946/blackwombbk4.jpg

OMG its the queen of England!!!:eek: Im gonna get in trouble for that...

[frog]

Wonder if Dark Beast still thinks she's hot?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, someone actually made a joke about Sins' trying to molest Cyke while looking like that?

Wow. Oh, and lol on an epic scale.

[Beast]

I LOVE her.
She just needs Rogue's costume to be perfect, right?

[Beast]

Wait, someone actually made a joke about Sins' trying to molest Cyke while looking like that?

Wow. Oh, and lol on an epic scale.
Once she had Sinister's powers, she could shapeshift herself younger.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Once she had Sinister's powers, she could shapeshift herself younger.

The initial comment clearly made mention of a 100 years-old woman actually looking the part.

[Joe Franklin]

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/xroundup625-14.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just reiterating that I don't get why so many people complain about Eaton's art...?

[Beast]

The initial comment clearly made mention of a 100 years-old woman actually looking the part.
As long as they're a telepath, Scott doesn't care.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As long as they're a telepath, Scott doesn't care.

But surely he does.

Now, see, you've got it all wrong. Or, say, you're giving Cyke too much credit.

He dates HOT telepaths so he won't have to go through the whole 'talking about feelings' routine on a regular basis. A 100 years old woman isn't exactly his type. Thus, the telepath angle has no tactical application and isn't an actual variable.

Tsk tsk tsk. :biggrin:

[Hi-Fi]

OMG Xavier/Sinister called Rogue a HARLOT!!!!

LOL

[Joe Franklin]

Just reiterating that I don't get why so many people complain about Eaton's art...?

He's a solid artist, with no flash or originality to his style. This is why I'm not a huge fan of his. He's like Land to me, don't dislike his art, but am not a fan either.

[Hi-Fi]

Timbox and Caney, why didn't you tell me Rogue was called a HARLOT in this issue?? I love it!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He's a solid artist, with no flash or originality to his style. This is why I'm not a huge fan of his. He's like Land to me, don't dislike his art, but am not a fan either.

Fair enough.

I just think his sober style really fits the stories being currently told.

Would've just about died if he'd drawn the whole MC. Oh well.

[Joe Franklin]

Fair enough.

I just think his style really fits the stories being currently told.

Would've just about died if he'd drawn the whole MC. Oh well.

That's cool. Everybody has different tastes in comic book art. I am a huge fan of Larry Stroman's goofy looking stuff, and he is getting bashed hard in X-Factor threads for his unique and strange looking stuff.

[caney]

Timbox and Caney, why didn't you tell me Rogue was called a HARLOT in this issue?? I love it!

I was too busy being distracted by Gambit's nonsense Cajun-speak every other second.

[fitditz]

I have to admit I really enjoyed this issue. I've hated Legacy up until this point....

[psycwave]

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/xroundup625-14.jpg

Rogue a HARLOT!!! Well i never. the nerve of this.....man/demon/mutant hybrid thingy. KILL IT!!!

[lockerogue]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5946/blackwombbk4.jpg

I don't care that bitch is fierce.

[soulkiller]

Harlot??? :eek: How rude. :biggrin:

[CmX]

I am totally confused over the flashback scene artist, can anyone tell who it is? The issue only lists Eaton, but it was AT LEAST a different color style, and it looked really great so I must know.

Eaton did the entire issue. The colors were done differently I'm assuming and Eaton made it more sketchy to resemble flashback sequences.

Eaton did a great job!

Kickass issue also, who is or what is the Black Womb? I'm lost a lot of times on Carey's work cause he makes use of old continuity (not complaining) but sometimes I have to come on here to find out who's who and what's what.

[timbox]

Eaton did the entire issue. The colors were done differently I'm assuming and Eaton made it more sketchy to resemble flashback sequences.


That is the best Eaton I have ever seen, he needs to use that style more often.

[Hi-Fi]

Kickass issue also, who is or what is the Black Womb? I'm lost a lot of times on Carey's work cause he makes use of old continuity (not complaining) but sometimes I have to come on here to find out who's who and what's what.
Amanda Mueller aka Black Womb was the mind behind the Black Womb project, which reunited the work of Brian Xavier, Dr. Ryking, Kurt Marko and Irene Adler.

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[Flinkman]

i've been somewhat bored with Legacy up until this point....WOW, what a fun story. Professor Sinister? color me curious.

[Novaya Havoc]

................

I hate Sinister. I was so happy when he died.
I hate Xavier. I was so happy when he died.

I think both are laborious, pedantic characters. They wax poetic more often than do anything. And everything they do is so convoluted it hurts.

But now the best parts of Messiah Complex are ruined and now they're merged into one giant ball of meh.

This series needed more moments of Amelia Voght's funbags and Fierce Frenzy, and much, much less of this.

[CmX]

Amanda Mueller aka Black Womb was the mind behind the Black Womb project, which reunited the work of Brian Xavier, Dr. Ryking, Kurt Marko and Irene Adler.



Aw thanks for the help buddy! :) Creepy! What issue is this from?

[frog]

Siryn should definitely not let Madrox name the baby Nathan.

[Hi-Fi]

Aw thanks for the help buddy! :) Creepy! What issue is this from?
It's from the X-Men Forever mini, written by Fabian Nicieza.

[Swashbuckler]

................

I hate Sinister. I was so happy when he died.
I hate Xavier. I was so happy when he died.

I think both are laborious, pedantic characters. They wax poetic more often than do anything. And everything they do is so convoluted it hurts.

But now the best parts of Messiah Complex are ruined and now they're merged into one giant ball of meh.

This series needed more moments of Amelia Voght's funbags and Fierce Frenzy, and much, much less of this.

I disagree. This series just made me more interested then I've beens ince the start. Who gives a shit about wishy-washy Voight or Lezbo Frenzy. Their roles in the story were replaceable with any other strong dyke or ex-flame of Xavier. I think too many people are crying ove rlegacy becauset he "characters" they want aren't here, but most of the nay sayers are failing to acknowledge the slow burning story underneath. It is slow-paced, but it's going to pay off big.

[psycwave]

The only way this story can end is with the true and final death of Charles Xavier. Im talkin "uncle ben and Gwen stacy dead" Then bring back Banshee:biggrin:

[fitditz]

I disagree. This series just made me more interested then I've beens ince the start. Who gives a shit about wishy-washy Voight or Lezbo Frenzy. Their roles in the story were replaceable with any other strong dyke or ex-flame of Xavier. I think too many people are crying ove rlegacy becauset he "characters" they want aren't here, but most of the nay sayers are failing to acknowledge the slow burning story underneath. It is slow-paced, but it's going to pay off big.
I truly hope so. Mike Carey don't let me down!

[Flinkman]

I disagree. This series just made me more interested then I've beens ince the start. Who gives a shit about wishy-washy Voight or Lezbo Frenzy. Their roles in the story were replaceable with any other strong dyke or ex-flame of Xavier. I think too many people are crying ove rlegacy becauset he "characters" they want aren't here, but most of the nay sayers are failing to acknowledge the slow burning story underneath. It is slow-paced, but it's going to pay off big.
i totally agree. early in Carey's adjectiveless days, it was hard to see where exactly the story was headed & it was somewhat hard to get into for me at first....but then Blinded By The Light came, tied everything together with a real pretty bow & left me totally satisfied with the entire run. i expect something similar will be going on now that it's Legacy....i expect a slow "simmer to a boil" approach & i totally expect to be satisfied in the end.

that & Sinister is among my very favorite X-Villains, so seeing him being a cold, calculating, devious SOB makes me quite happy.

[Joe Franklin]

Considering how boring Xavier has always been, Mike Carey is doing a decent job with Legacy. He's doing the best he can with what he has, a boring character who should never be the main character in any comic book.

[Michael Sean]

I like the story that Carey is crafting. Xavier is an interesting character and there are still a lot to explore with him.

I also like Sinister. I would like to see him more of a threat and more of a bad ass villain.

I can't say the book always holds my interest because it doesn't always do that. I do appreciate the story that Carey is telling in this book.

I'd also like to see more Rogue. Carey is def. one of the best writers for this character. He makes me care for her and love her.

[Nyssane]

I disagree. This series just made me more interested then I've beens ince the start. Who gives a shit about wishy-washy Voight or Lezbo Frenzy. Their roles in the story were replaceable with any other strong dyke or ex-flame of Xavier. I think too many people are crying ove rlegacy becauset he "characters" they want aren't here, but most of the nay sayers are failing to acknowledge the slow burning story underneath. It is slow-paced, but it's going to pay off big.

Don't use derogatory terms towards lesbians, we all know you're homophobic. :tongue:

[psycwave]

I like the story that Carey is crafting. Xavier is an interesting character and there are still a lot to explore with him.

I also like Sinister. I would like to see him more of a threat and more of a bad ass villain.

I can't say the book always holds my interest because it doesn't always do that. I do appreciate the story that Carey is telling in this book.

I'd also like to see more Rogue. Carey is def. one of the best writers for this character. He makes me care for her and love her.

He can continue to write Rogue as he previously had with that sass from the outback days he's okay in my book...

[Bamf25]

Mixed feelings on this book, the story is fun and engaging, but has retcon written all over it.

[The Lucky One]

If you think about it, that's not really a good power to have. Imagine being stuck in a withered useless body for eternity.

Jonathan Swift thought of it first, back in Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver visits an island where a few very rare individuals ("mutants," if you will) called struldbrugs are born among the normal population. Identified by a red dot over their left eye, they're immortal, which Gulliver at first expresses admiration over. Everyone immediately tells him what an idiot he is, because the struldbrugs continue to age normally, they just can't die, so they ultimately lose their eyesight and all independent movement. When they reach the age of eighty, they become considered legally dead and their heirs inherit their property, with only a small sum set aside to provide for their care. Sucks to be them.

It's such a minor thing, but one of my favorite parts of the issue was Gambit's line, "But I built my whole life on long shots." Yeah, odds are it's a totally coincidental turn of phrase. But on the off chance it's a sly wink and a nod to Gambit's origins... well, that's pretty clever.

-D

[Canemacar]

It's such a minor thing, but one of my favorite parts of the issue was Gambit's line, "But I built my whole life on long shots." Yeah, odds are it's a totally coincidental turn of phrase. But on the off chance it's a sly wink and a nod to Gambit's origins... well, that's pretty clever.

-D

A nod to what?

[Atomic Mongoose]

Okay, seriously... why do the more recent X-Men writers feel the need to turn every cool, old/ancient/epic villain into a parasitic life form that requires a host body to survive?

I feel like I'm reading some amalgam of The Twelve and Blood of Apocalypse storylines, just with Sinister substituting for 'Poccy.

[La Fea]

It sounds interesting but also...really convoluted.

Also, I am disappointed they brought back Sinister, especially so soon. He's such a lame villain, hopefully Amanda breathes on him and he dies again.

[Hakael]

It sounds interesting but also...really convoluted.

Also, I am disappointed they brought back Sinister, especially so soon. He's such a lame villain, hopefully Amanda breathes on him and he dies again.

Fea, why are you always wrong on these things?

Sinister was only lame because he was made lame over years of just sitting in the shadows and laughing at Gambit from time to time. Carey has since made him awesome again, and this story is showing him as a true evil genius instead of a do-nothing paper tiger. Also, Sinister did die. He's not back yet, but he's just now become too awesome to stay dead... wonder if he's got back-up genes implanted into the Marauders?

[Lucky Luciano]

Just read the book and I'm pleased to see that Sinister won.:evilsmile:

[timbox]

Fea, why are you always wrong on these things?


Don't use derogatory terms towards La Fea, we all know you're feaphobic.

[Splatt]

Didn't read the issue, but the plot point with Mr. Sinister reminds me too much of Metal Gear Solid.

"I LIVE ON.... THROUGH THIS ARM!!!"

[Leirus]

It sounds interesting but also...really convoluted.

Also, I am disappointed they brought back Sinister, especially so soon. He's such a lame villain, hopefully Amanda breathes on him and he dies again.

I am under the impression that if Sinister dies this time, he will be dead for a looooong time, because we have met his "Plan B" against death... So either they destruct the machine and he has no way to come back... or he will be in Xavier for the time being... and I do not think this is going to happen.

Also, if the machine is not destroyed, he always could come back in the body of the only other mutant confirmed in the Black Womb proyect...


...The Toad (LOL)

[Pro]

So either they destruct the machine and he has no way to come back... or he will be in Xavier for the time being... and I do not think this is going to happen.

His DNA would still be inside Xavier. So bringing him back even if they kill the machine that automatically does it they could technically still bring him back.

[timbox]

This issued answered the concerns people had about how Sinister was so easily forced down onto Rogue by Mystique. He was all about making out with the harlot.

[Pro]

He was all about making out with the harlot.

Harlot is on the list of forbidden words since recently.
You may however still use any of these synonyms:

Cocotte, cyprian, fancy woman, lady of pleasure, sporting lady, woman of the street, working girl, camp follower, comfort woman, demimondaine, streetwalker.

[frog]

This races an interesting question - if the word harlot is actually used in the issue being discussed, then are we still prohibited from it's use?

[timbox]

Cronin always refers to me as his "little harlot." I should be safe!

[timbox]

fancy woman, comfort woman

Disreagrd my previous statements, these options are SO much better! I have seen the light.

[Lucky Luciano]

This races an interesting question - if the word harlot is actually used in the issue being discussed, then are we still prohibited from it's use?

LOL. Brubaker used "Bitch" in Captain America this week and harlot is supposed to be some big deal? SMH.

[Leirus]

His DNA would still be inside Xavier. So bringing him back even if they kill the machine that automatically does it they could technically still bring him back.

I am counting with that Xavier will "awake" and destroy Sinister from the inside...

Also...Harlot? It does not sound that bad... What does that mean exactly?

*Goes to dictionary*

Ooohhh... interesting !!

"The word surfaced around the beginning of the 13th century. At that time, the word harlot was used to refer to a man and meant "a man of no fixed occupation, vagabond, beggar", and soon afterwards used to mean "male lecher".

In the 14th century, it began to be used to refer to women. How this meaning developed from the male sense is not clear. For a time, the word could also refer to a juggler or jester of either sex, but by the close of the 17th century the word referred exclusively to women."


But I get that the meaning today is about the older job in the world...

(And what is a lecher?)

[frog]

LOL. Brubaker used "Bitch" in Captain America this week and harlot is supposed to be some big deal? SMH.

The reason it is a big deal is that posters use the word and similar ones in reference to each other and to characters they don't like. It is rather inflamatory. therefore forbidden.

[frog]

I am counting with that Xavier will "awake" and destroy Sinister from the inside...

Also...Harlot? It does not sound that bad... What does that mean exactly?

*Goes to dictionary*

Ooohhh... interesting !!

"The word surfaced around the beginning of the 13th century. At that time, the word harlot was used to refer to a man and meant "a man of no fixed occupation, vagabond, beggar", and soon afterwards used to mean "male lecher".

In the 14th century, it began to be used to refer to women. How this meaning developed from the male sense is not clear. For a time, the word could also refer to a juggler or jester of either sex, but by the close of the 17th century the word referred exclusively to women."


But I get that the meaning today is about the older job in the world...

(And what is a lecher?)

lech·er
–noun 1. a man given to excessive sexual indulgence; a lascivious or licentious man.

None of those around here.

[Lucky Luciano]

The reason it is a big deal is that posters use the word and similar ones in reference to each other and to characters they don't like. It is rather inflamatory. therefore forbidden.

Is that right? Damn. Never paid attention to that. Everyone needs to man up and calm down.:biggrin:

[Leirus]

lech·er
–noun 1. a man given to excessive sexual indulgence; a lascivious or licentious man.

None of those around here.

Thanks! I always learn useful things in the boards !!
Er... or at least I learn things...

[Hakael]

Don't use derogatory terms towards La Fea, we all know you're feaphobic.

I am not feaphobic... we just seem to have exact opposite opinions on most everything. :confused:

[Hi-Fi]

Just read this and loved it. What a creepy, batshit crazy story. Black Womb is adorable. I hope she becomes RECURRING.

[Josef F.]

I am pleased that the plot went somewhere.

I would like Sinister/Xavier to be the only itineration of the characters.
It should end With Cassandra Nova fighting them in an epic battle and winning.

Then I would pledge my love to Carey.

[frog]

Just read this and loved it. What a creepy, batshit crazy story. Black Womb is adorable. I hope she becomes RECURRING.

Well, if her power is to not die, she can't help but be!

[Pyro]

Yeah. Once past 80 don't wear tube tops and minis.That is exactly what I was thinking! Why does she have so much cleavage? No one wants to see that!! She looks like she's about to go clubbing.

[psycwave]

That is exactly what I was thinking! Why does she have so much cleavage? No one wants to see that!! She looks like she's about to go clubbing.

Im sure she is the life of the party....

[Nite-Wing]

It was sweet the way she needed a guild member to help her hold a gun.

[Leirus]

Im sure she is the life of the party....

It would be wonderful to see her as a recurrent foe, in baddies meetings or in the hellfire club, and the rest of the villians going "Urghh Black womb, cover yourself for the love of god !!!!!"

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9906/blackwombta9.th.png (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackwombta9.png)

[metalgorgomon]

Loved this issue. Black womb is my new favorite villain. More of her, please. Legacy is my favorite X-book at the moment.

[ReturnOfTheComeback]

BLACK WOMB aka Amanda Mueller was the wife of Daniel Summers. In other words, she is the Great Grandmatriarch of the Summers clan itself.

[For the Good of X]

BLACK WOMB aka Amanda Mueller was the wife of Daniel Summers. In other words, she is the Great Grandmatriarch of the Summers clan itself.

Where was this established?
I didn't read the Gambit series, so all this Black Womb/Alamegordo (sp?) is new to me. It's interesting that Carey is making use of this continuity, but I don't feel as if I'm missing any of the story by not knowing it.

[Hi-Fi]

Well, if her power is to not die, she can't help but be!
I want her to move to San Francisco!

Where was this established?
I didn't read the Gambit series, so all this Black Womb/Alamegordo (sp?) is new to me. It's interesting that Carey is making use of this continuity, but I don't feel as if I'm missing any of the story by not knowing it.
It was never established, as far as I know.

[insidemyhead]

It should end With Cassandra Nova fighting them in an epic battle and winning.

That's just what I was thinking!

But can't she read and change DNA, like she did with Trask DDS or whatever his name was to control the sentinels? She could probably wipe Sinister out of the Professor, genes and all...

[ReturnOfTheComeback]

It was never established, as far as I know.

Amanda Mueller
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Amanda_Mueller_(Earth-616)
Summers Family Tree
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Summers_and_Grey_Family_Tree

Now that is CANON.

In addition, Fontanelle, the daughter of Amanda, then is either a whole blooded or half-blooded Great Grand-Aunt of all the Summers .

[Hi-Fi]

Looks like you're right.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=8&fldAuto=66

In what issue was this established, though?

I wish Fontanelle would appear more. She's great.

EDIT: It was established in Gambit #13. I need to re-read those issues.

Gambit too once timetraveled to the 19th century. In New York city of the year 1891 he met Amanda Mueller, a woman accused of being the “black womb“ killer, as she had experienced various miscarriages. Her obstetrician was none other than Dr. Milbury, a cover identity for Mr. Sinister. In Mueller’s house Gambit saw the wedding picture of Amanda and Daniel. She said that her husband had left her with their only surviving son, as he couldn’t handle the many rumours and accusations. [Gambit (3rd series) #13]

The mysteries around Mueller are far from solved. After World War II she was part of a governmental research project aquiring mutant data, along with Kurt Marko and Irene Adler (Destiny). Circa around the same time, despite her age, she gave birth to Gloria Dayne, who now in her late fourties, early fifties calls herself Fontanelle. [X-Men Forever #5, Gambit (3rd series) #20]

[DeadXMan]

cool put a part of XM:TE into cannon

[For the Good of X]

Looks like you're right.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=8&fldAuto=66

In what issue was this established, though?

I wish Fontanelle would appear more. She's great.

EDIT: It was established in Gambit #13. I need to re-read those issues.

A lot of that info plays back to the seeming intentions of having Gambit eventually be revealed as the third Summers brother. Now with the introduction of Vulcan....that stuff has to be seen in a different light.

[DeadXMan]

there still a chance he's the love child of Scott and sinerster

[DeadXMan]

GGGMILF.

:tongue:

[Nyssane]

I wish Fontanelle would appear more. She's great.

I know! FONTANELLE 4 EVAH.

[psycwave]

A lot of that info plays back to the seeming intentions of having Gambit eventually be revealed as the third Summers brother. Now with the introduction of Vulcan....that stuff has to be seen in a different light.

You never know it could still work, Sinister only said "brothers"...for all we know there could be like eight summers brothers..

[DDM]

Mister Sinister's role is perfect; Carey has nailed Mister Sinister's characterization to a tea. Sinister knows he will win regardless because has long term goals that can span centuries or more; therefore, any victory is really pointless. It may appear Sinister lost, but with such long term goals, he still wins.

Sebastian Shaw's role is a bit troubling. Shaw came from no wealth; therefore, how can his father be a doctor? The point about Sebastian Shaw is he came from nothing & became a millionaire by his mid-20's & a billionaire sometime later.

The colors are muddied. What is going on with the colorist? Uncanny X-Men has the same color problems.

8/10

[ReturnOfTheComeback]

Yeah, all doctors are rich , right!

[justin gilchrist]

What happened to Rogue? I thought she was going to be in Legacy.

[Daithi]

Gah the book was on a slow burn and now it's all continuity crashing into each other and harlots and Sinister and Black Womb and Irene to tie into Rogue and Mystique. Good stuff.

[jade_nova]

Originally Posted by Red Lotus View Post
He just has red eyes and Sinisters red mark on his forehead
He must be killed for he is a demon!!!:eek: :evilsmile:

No that is done to redheads. :)

[Omega Alpha]

Sebastian Shaw's role is a bit troubling. Shaw came from no wealth; therefore, how can his father be a doctor? The point about Sebastian Shaw is he came from nothing & became a millionaire by his mid-20's & a billionaire sometime later.

Maybe his father eventually lost all his fortune?

[Hi-Fi]

Sebastian Shaw's role is a bit troubling. Shaw came from no wealth; therefore, how can his father be a doctor? The point about Sebastian Shaw is he came from nothing & became a millionaire by his mid-20's & a billionaire sometime later.

From X-Men Legacy #211:

SUNSPOT: "Your father was a nobody, you said."
SHAW: "I did not say that."
SUNSPOT: "A miner. A man who worked with his hands."
SHAW: "That was what he was when he died. But you know he belonged at one time to the club's english chapter. He seldom spoke about those years."

[For the Good of X]

From X-Men Legacy #211:

SUNSPOT: "Your father was a nobody, you said."
SHAW: "I did not say that."
SUNSPOT: "A miner. A man who worked with his hands."
SHAW: "That was what he was when he died. But you know he belonged at one time to the club's english chapter. He seldom spoke about those years."

Carey sure does cover his bases.

I'd also like to note that I'm enjoying the art far more with the new inker, Andrew Hennessey.

[worstblogever]

I keep enjoying the hell out of this book... I'm just wondering what it was Sinister did to Juggernaut back in the day, other than leave his own DNA coding in Cain Marko... these are four characters whom Sinister might want to take over, right? Is there more to Cain than we think, regarding his DNA (latent X-gene? Next generation, or two, and he'll be spawning mutant babies?)

And, if the Essex DNA Marker exists in these four characters, does it also exist in their children? I mean, will it be carried to the next generation? Could Essex have, by extension, taken possession of Fontanelle, Legion, or Shinobi Shaw, if he wanted?

Well, we know he's been dead several times (reportedly 17 by Domina, from the Neo, alone)... so how many other options did Mr. Sinister set up with from the Black Womb project?

And how many other times did he repeat this project since, as a failsafe, to assure he'd have more ways to pull a Lazarus act?

[For the Good of X]

Well, we know he's been dead several times (reportedly 17 by Domina, from the Neo, alone)... so how many other options did Mr. Sinister set up with from the Black Womb project?


I wondered the other day if Carey and Co. in the X-office remembered this tidbit that Domina revealed back then....

[Samy]

I think this was the best issue so far. The Xavier/Sinister cliffhanger was awesome, and I like how X-Men Forever is being incorporated.

[worstblogever]

I wondered the other day if Carey and Co. in the X-office remembered this tidbit that Domina revealed back then....

Like you said, Carey knows how to cover his bases. I'd have to go back and see if it was Domina claiming she killed Essex that many times, or if Claremont wrote it in exposition that she did.

Ugh... I'll have to go back and read about the Neo again. That's not a promising thought.

But yeah, I'd wager if Carey doesn't already have an explanation for this fact, he could muster one up to get himself a no-prize. He's savvy like that. :redface:

[Fatguy]

I love Sebastian Shaw. That is all.

[pariah-1972]

I know you guys are think im daft but i kept wondering if Black Womb was supposed to be Storm somehow?

I think it was the long white hair and the black fetish get-up i guess even tho she doesn't have dark skin that was the only thing i could think of.

I think its funny that at the start some people were complaining about how slow this arc was but were only three issues in and we know exactly who the big bad is and what there intentions are what Sebastian Shaw and Almagordoo has to do with everything.

So yeah suck that Daniel Way :evilangry:

[worstblogever]

I know you guys are think im daft but i kept wondering if Black Womb was supposed to be Storm somehow?

I think it was the long white hair and the black fetish get-up i guess even tho she doesn't have dark skin that was the only thing i could think of.

I think its funny that at the start some people were complaining about how slow this arc was but were only three issues in and we know exactly who the big bad is and what there intentions are what Sebastian Shaw and Almagordoo has to do with everything.

So yeah suck that Daniel Way :evilangry:

Actually, I wonder about who the big bad is... this whole thing is a Mexican standoff of sorts.

Sinister- wants to come back to life
Black Womb & her assassins- wants to kill those on Essex's list of potential bodies so she's the only option and gain his powers
Shaw - as always, Shaw only cares about himself, which allies him with Xavier and Gambit. But his motivation might just be, "If I don't die, or get taken over by Sinister, it's a win." So now that Essex is in Xavier, he might wash his hands of the whole sordid affair.
Gambit- Wants Xavier out of this alive, and probably would also prefer it if Essex stayed dead.
Xavier- Wants Essex to be dead, and Black Womb to not have his power. At the moment, he doesn't have a solution to that, thus our cliffhanger.

This whole thing isn't as simple as good guys and bad guys. There's a lot of shades of grey involved. Part of why I'm loving it.

[pariah-1972]

Actually, I wonder about who the big bad is... this whole thing is a Mexican standoff of sorts.

Sinister- wants to come back to life
Black Womb & her assassins- wants to kill those on Essex's list of potential bodies so she's the only option and gain his powers
Shaw - as always, Shaw only cares about himself, which allies him with Xavier and Gambit. But his motivation might just be, "If I don't die, or get taken over by Sinister, it's a win." So now that Essex is in Xavier, he might wash his hands of the whole sordid affair.
Gambit- Wants Xavier out of this alive, and probably would also prefer it if Essex stayed dead.
Xavier- Wants Essex to be dead, and Black Womb to not have his power. At the moment, he doesn't have a solution to that, thus our cliffhanger.

This whole thing isn't as simple as good guys and bad guys. There's a lot of shades of grey involved. Part of why I'm loving it.So you think there is going to be another bigger villain involved soon?

I'm also curious about the flashbacks and what there true meaning is...
Is he trying to say that all the times Xavier has acted like an ass was because he had a bit of Sinister DNA in him all along?

Is this his way or retconning all the times Xavier has acted like a jerk? or is there something more underneath all that?
It took me a long time to accept that Xavier is just as flawed as anyone else and now that i've finally gotten around to accepting that it gets Retconned away?

I don't want to jump to conclusions on that one but if thats where its headed i think i would be a little disappointed.

[frog]

I don't see Carey trying to excuse Xavier's actions. That just doesn't seem like his style.

[pariah-1972]

I don't see Carey trying to excuse Xavier's actions. That just doesn't seem like his style.I don't know what his intentions are but thats what seems to be the point (right now) of all the flashbacks which all seem to center on when Xavier has acted like an ass.


But like i said i'll take a wait and see on that.

[frog]

I don't know what his intentions are but thats what seems to be the point (right now) of all the flashbacks which all seem to center on when Xavier has acted like an ass.


But like i said i'll take a wait and see on that.

I read the flashbacks as Xavier having to recognize and come to terms with the fact that he hasn't been the model of virtue that he has convinced himself he was.


Carey never really seems to let his characters get out of things easily - look at Rogue, Iceman, Mystique, and Beast.

[pariah-1972]

I read the flashbacks as Xavier having to recognize and come to terms with the fact that he hasn't been the model of virtue that he has convinced himself he was.I'll have to re-read them but i dont remember him even acknowledge these flashbacks.


But that would make a lot more sense.

[timbox]

I read the flashbacks as Xavier having to recognize and come to terms with the fact that he hasn't been the model of virtue that he has convinced himself he was.


This is also how I saw it. I don’t think Sinister’s genetic altering of those people were meant to have any influence over their personalities, just as a plan B for Sinister to cheat death.

[timbox]

I know you guys are think im daft but i kept wondering if Black Womb was supposed to be Storm somehow?


You're so daft and I love it.

[pariah-1972]

You're so daft and I love it.Awww thanks:redface:

[Canemacar]

The book's gotten much more interesting now that it has a clear antagonist for Xavier to work against instead of just flashing in and out of consciousness for three issues while Magneto hovers.

I hope Carey can avoid another humiliating defeat for sinister and write him as a competant mastermind this time around. He's one of the few remaining credible x-villains, it would be a shame to make him as laughable as Apocalypse.

I like Shaw's involvement in this storyline. Sebastian doesn't get enough panel ime. He's a great villain, but an even better anti-hero IMO.

Black womb and alamagordo are likely to be killed/destroyed in this story (ala Witness, Vargas, Quiet Bill, Dark mother) given how Carey has been trying to wrap up a lot of the convolted plots left over from the 90's and clean the slate.

I'm still not feeling his take on Gambit. He's just a sounding board/punching bag with generic smartass dialogue here in Legacy. According to Joe q's blog Brubaker and faction have expressed interest in using the character; I'd rather see what they could do with the character; Bru's Gambit was the best one during Messiah complex.

I think i'll drop the book after the current arc since the next one is a crossover with Origins then Rogue takes over as the star of the book later in the year.

[Keith_Martineau]

I'm still interested in where the story is going---but the story itself is frustrating.

Rather than take this opportunity to honestly explore Xaviers origins and the actions of his father and his contemporaries, instead Carey has decided to give us a 90's style storyline where we get a more convoluted mess where Sinister is revealed to be behind everything, always around and intertwining with everyone.

It technically makes sense, but it's just adding to the convoluted continuity that has been a major stumbling block for new readers with X-Men for years and years. I like Sinister, and I'm happy to have him return in some form and continue to be a threat, but it annoys me to have him intertwined with everything about the X-Men's past, including now Xaviers childhood.

[Red Lotus]

I'll have to re-read them but i dont remember him even acknowledge these flashbacks.


But that would make a lot more sense.

Another thing about the flasbacks is that some of them are from the minds of others and maybe a little bit slanted from what Xavier point of view from what happen might have been.

[pariah-1972]

The book's gotten much more interesting now that it has a clear antagonist for Xavier to work against instead of just flashing in and out of consciousness for three issues while Magneto hovers.

I hope Carey can avoid another humiliating defeat for sinister and write him as a competant mastermind this time around. He's one of the few remaining credible x-villains, it would be a shame to make him as laughable as Apocalypse.

I like Shaw's involvement in this storyline. Sebastian doesn't get enough panel ime. He's a great villain, but an even better anti-hero IMO.

Black womb and alamagordo are likely to be killed/destroyed in this story (ala Witness, Vargas, Quiet Bill, Dark mother) given how Carey has been trying to wrap up a lot of the convolted plots left over from the 90's and clean the slate.

I'm still not feeling his take on Gambit. He's just a sounding board/punching bag with generic smartass dialogue here in Legacy. According to Joe q's blog Brubaker and faction have expressed interest in using the character; I'd rather see what they could do with the character; Bru's Gambit was the best one during Messiah complex.

I think i'll drop the book after the current arc since the next one is a crossover with Origins then Rogue takes over as the star of the book later in the year.Actually like how Gambit has been written/drawn in this series.

Although i thought it was kind of funny that he thought he could actually threaten Sebastian Shaw .

[Pro]

Sinister is revealed to be behind everything, always around and intertwining with everyone.

When has this ever been any different where Sinister is involved? From the moment the character was introduced it was hinted he was behind a lot of things that happened in the past. Far more so than Apocalypse even. Carey is tying all those lose hints that were strewn about over the years into a coherent story and building on it. Personally i love it.

it's just adding to the convoluted continuity that has been a major stumbling block for new readers with X-Men for years and years.

I don't know. I think Carey is doing a great job touching on all those points without going too deep into them. New readers should be able to follow the story without having read the original tales themselves and for future stories related to the alamagordo era they can use Legacy as a reference point. Seems to me the combination of flashbacks and new developments is a great starting point for new readers while finally connecting the dots for older readers.

[Lucky Luciano]

The book's gotten much more interesting now that it has a clear antagonist for Xavier to work against instead of just flashing in and out of consciousness for three issues while Magneto hovers.

I don't see the point. Exodus was the antagonist and Magneto/Karima was in the Gambit role. Odd viewpoint but whatever. It's just excellent to see Sinister plan all of this from a start. He once again retains his title as the top manipulator in Marvel.

Everything about Sebastian Shaw is excellent. He should of been used more over the years considering his connection to Iron Man and Warren Worthington but the office was content to let him sit on the sidelines while "Cassandra Nova" was pushed. Yuck.

[brundlefly]

When has this ever been any different where Sinister is involved? From the moment the character was introduced it was hinted he was behind a lot of things that happened in the past. Far more so than Apocalypse even. Carey is tying all those lose hints that were strewn about over the years into a coherent story and building on it. Personally i love it.

I don't know. I think Carey is doing a great job touching on all those points without going too deep into them. New readers should be able to follow the story without having read the original tales themselves and for future stories related to the alamagordo era they can use Legacy as a reference point. Seems to me the combination of flashbacks and new developments is a great starting point for new readers while finally connecting the dots for older readers.

I agree. Carey makes past X-continuity work for him instead of against him, which is an added treat for older readers who are familiar with the events that show up in the flashbacks. This is how you tie up old plot threads and loose ends (Black Womb, Alamagordo, Fontanelle, etc.) in an entertaining and well thought-out fashion, as opposed to, say, how it was done in the "The Twelve." Plus the Xavier 'trips down memory lane' parallel with the reinforcement of Sinister's main character strengths & motivations (self-preservation/immortality, behind-the-scenes manipulation, amassing knowledge for his own benefit) and showing the timeline of the "Cronos" plan. Tying up loose plot threads, restoring a previously-mishandled classic villain to his proper status, and telling a great story all at the same time! I love this book....:biggrin:

[Shaid O Gray]

I agree. Carey makes past X-continuity work for him instead of against him, which is an added treat for older readers who are familiar with the events that show up in the flashbacks. This is how you tie up old plot threads and loose ends (Black Womb, Alamagordo, Fontanelle, etc.) in an entertaining and well thought-out fashion, as opposed to, say, how it was done in the "The Twelve." Plus the Xavier 'trips down memory lane' parallel with the reinforcement of Sinister's main character strengths & motivations (self-preservation/immortality, behind-the-scenes manipulation, amassing knowledge for his own benefit) and showing the timeline of the "Cronos" plan. Tying up loose plot threads, restoring a previously-mishandled classic villain to his proper status, and telling a great story all at the same time! I love this book....:biggrin:

I was just writing a post saying pretty much the same things. Always hate to be beaten to the punch....but...well played sir! :biggrin:

This is easily my favorite X-book right now. It's the only one who seems to work with what the stories have been about through the years. (Uncanny's story was fun but man...."Hey, San Fran is full of hipies! It's a Wyngarde, let's punch her out! POW! We win! / "Hey Russia is full of evil Russians! It's Omega Red, let's punch him out! POW! We win!" Hey, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the read but....FILLER!)

This.....really goes to the core of who characters are, what their goals are about, and at the same time doing Marvel the inredible favor of making it appear as if years worth or dropped and dangling plotlines from writers who mostly ignored the crap out of each other, actually weave together in a single coherent whole!

Seriously, Carey's impressed the hell out of me here.

As for the characters:
-Xavier: hasn't been written this well in years. Forced to re-evaluate himself like this brings years of character ups and downs together.

-Gambit: written fun and straightforward, but perfectly how Gambit should be. No angsting, not overdoing it with the quirks, and finally, when he speaks french HE DOESN'T TRANSLATE IT FOR THE READERS BENEFIT! Which is great! Because why the hell would he??

-Sinister: Hey, he already was almost a joke like apocalypse (especially after the Neo crap and X-Men the End). Carey reminded us why this should be the prime X-Men villain. I was sorry to see him killed off in MC, but knew it would feel anti-climactic if he just showed up again. But this...THIS is worthy of Sinister! (And the word clone is nowhere near this story thank goodness)

Keep this up, just bring back Rogue and I couldn't be happier...(yeah I'm one 'a those)

[brundlefly]

-Sinister: Hey, he already was almost a joke like apocalypse (especially after the Neo crap and X-Men the End). Carey reminded us why this should be the prime X-Men villain. I was sorry to see him killed off in MC, but knew it would feel anti-climactic if he just showed up again. But this...THIS is worthy of Sinister! (And the word clone is nowhere near this story thank goodness)

I was pretty annoyed initially at Sinister's death in MC, since it was out of character (Essex trusting Mystique?) and it seemed like just another statistic in the mandatory "crossover event body count," with characters getting killed off for no reason other than "so who died during Messiah Complex?" Very cool that Sinister's death there was actually the jumping off point for this far-superior story. Plus it also gave us his killer "It takes more than a harlot's kiss to kill Nathanial Essex" one-liner in this issue, too. :biggrin: I originally figured that Carey might bring back Sinister eventually via Rogue, since she absorbed his essence and whatnot, but I like this Cronos idea better. And as you noted, no clones involved this time, which would have been the easy out given Sinister's MO.

[Hi-Fi]

Carey loves Rogue so much that he calls her a Harlot without guilty.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Carey loves Rogue so much that he calls her a Harlot without guilty.

Yo!

You mentioned something about Rogue in #215 in another thread.

I'm guessing it'll be the epilogue? Cause her walking in on a Cyke/Chuck smackdown would just be a howler.

[brundlefly]

Carey loves Rogue so much that he calls her a Harlot without guilty.

A term of endearment, even....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A term of endearment, even....

I rather thought it was Mike writing Sinister in character...? :tongue:

[Lucky Luciano]

I was just writing a post saying pretty much the same things. Always hate to be beaten to the punch....but...well played sir! :biggrin:

This is easily my favorite X-book right now. It's the only one who seems to work with what the stories have been about through the years. (Uncanny's story was fun but man...."Hey, San Fran is full of hipies! It's a Wyngarde, let's punch her out! POW! We win! / "Hey Russia is full of evil Russians! It's Omega Red, let's punch him out! POW! We win!" Hey, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the read but....FILLER!)

This.....really goes to the core of who characters are, what their goals are about, and at the same time doing Marvel the inredible favor of making it appear as if years worth or dropped and dangling plotlines from writers who mostly ignored the crap out of each other, actually weave together in a single coherent whole!

Seriously, Carey's impressed the hell out of me here.

As for the characters:
-Xavier: hasn't been written this well in years. Forced to re-evaluate himself like this brings years of character ups and downs together.

-Gambit: written fun and straightforward, but perfectly how Gambit should be. No angsting, not overdoing it with the quirks, and finally, when he speaks french HE DOESN'T TRANSLATE IT FOR THE READERS BENEFIT! Which is great! Because why the hell would he??

-Sinister: Hey, he already was almost a joke like apocalypse (especially after the Neo crap and X-Men the End). Carey reminded us why this should be the prime X-Men villain. I was sorry to see him killed off in MC, but knew it would feel anti-climactic if he just showed up again. But this...THIS is worthy of Sinister! (And the word clone is nowhere near this story thank goodness)

Keep this up, just bring back Rogue and I couldn't be happier...(yeah I'm one 'a those)

Damn. Sinister gets bashed to no end and praised in the same rant. Amazing. Until Messiah Complex, Sinister was practically undefeated and now that's been cleaned up. Thank goodness.

[brundlefly]

I rather thought it was Mike writing Sinister in character...? :tongue:

You are correct. I was just goofing. :biggrin:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You are correct. I was just goofing. :biggrin:

No, no, no.

You're supposed to go on about how Sinister would think such things of any woman who dared to court/romance one of his boys. :biggrin:

[Hi-Fi]

Yo!

You mentioned something about Rogue in #215 in another thread.

I'm guessing it'll be the epilogue? Cause her walking in on a Cyke/Chuck smackdown would just be a howler.
It will be an interlude showing her journey.

A term of endearment, even....
Best line of the issue, though Amanda had some nice lines as well.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It will be an interlude showing her journey.

How long of an interlude are talking about?

I mean...

Location 1: Cyke and Chuck screaming each other's head off.

Location 2: Roguey going all philosophical over her empty gas canister and having to push a motorcycle for miles.

The match seems like a... rather odd one.

[Hi-Fi]

How long of an interlude are talking about?

I mean...

Location 1: Cyke and Chuck screaming each other's head off.

Location 2: Roguey going all philosophical over her empty gas canister and having to push a motorcycle for miles.

The match seems like a... rather odd one.
How would I know? I'm not the writer. Hopefully a 21 pages-long interlude.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How would I know? I'm not the writer. Hopefully a 21 pages-long interlude.

L - O - L.

The Rogue love takes precedence over wanting an actual closure to the Cyke/Chuck feud, eh? It's not as if Chuck getting closure was the *point* of the book or anything... :tongue:

Still, I'll play nice and swear to you that I won't complaining if it's anywhere below 8 pages. :wink:

[Hi-Fi]

It will be a one page deal, dude. No need for you to whine about an "odd match". Let it go.

[Shaid O Gray]

I was pretty annoyed initially at Sinister's death in MC, since it was out of character (Essex trusting Mystique?) and it seemed like just another statistic in the mandatory "crossover event body count,"

I hear ya. But I don't think it was a matter of Essex trusting Mystique as much as him being overconfident in that she was no threat to him.

Very cool that Sinister's death there was actually the jumping off point for this far-superior story. Plus it also gave us his killer "It takes more than a harlot's kiss to kill Nathanial Essex" one-liner in this issue, too. :biggrin:

Is that a classic line or what??:tongue:

Damn. Sinister gets bashed to no end and praised in the same rant. Amazing. Until Messiah Complex, Sinister was practically undefeated and now that's been cleaned up. Thank goodness.

That's me. I'll punch ya with one hand and pat you on the back with the other *maniacal laughter*

Seriously, I agree. Sinister being undefeated wasn't cool either. But getting defeated due to sloppiness and then coming back this brilliantly? Gold! Just hope he isn't easily dispatched next issue. Maybe he takes over Black Womb after all? (working around her failsafe to just get his powers. I dunno, I'm just blabbing)

How would I know? I'm not the writer. Hopefully a 21 pages-long interlude.

I'll take what I can get. So no little peek in on her in 214? Hmm what the hell is she doing going back the old Reaver base? Hmmm Rogue as green'n brown leather biker chick......that is happening....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It will be a one page deal, dude. No need for you to whine about an "odd match". Let it go.

But... I just told you I wouldn't even bat an eyelash if it were a few pages.

Okay, fine, I'll play fair. Go ask the Storm fans how they'd react to a Cyke interlude in Storm's mini. Exactly. It ain't his story. :tongue:

Just so we're clear, I'm all for a peek. Hell, 4-5 pages at the end of the issue? Sure, bring it on. I'm just not sure single pages throughout the issues would work. That's why I assumed it'd be an epilogue. That was me implicitly giving Mike some credit, btw.

[psycwave]

I'll take what I can get. So no little peek in on her in 214? Hmm what the hell is she doing going back the old Reaver base? Hmmm Rogue as green'n brown leather biker chick......that is happening....

Reforming the Outback X-men!!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

[Hi-Fi]

But... I just told you I wouldn't even bat an eyelash if it were a few pages.

Okay, fine, I'll play fair. Go ask the Storm fans how they'd react to a Cyke interlude in Storm's mini. Exactly. It ain't his story. :tongue:

Just so we're clear, I'm all for a peek. Hell, 4-5 pages at the end of the issue? Sure, bring it on. I'm just not sure single pages throughout the issues would work. That's why I assumed it'd be an epilogue. That was me implicitly giving Mike some credit, btw.
Silly, Cyclops will play an important role in Storm's mini. That was already said.

By the way, this is a book about Xavier, not a book about Xavier/ungrateful Cyclops feud.

[Shaid O Gray]

Reforming the Outback X-men!!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

I AM kinda fond of the Australia years.....:cool:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Silly, Cyclops will play an important role in Storm's mini. That was already said.

I was being ironic and focusing on the 'fans' reaction' part, lol. I can't wait for the outrage. The smilie? No...? :biggrin:

By the way, this is a book about Xavier, not a book about Xavier/ungrateful Cyclops feud.

Xavier/ungrateful Cyclops feud >>>>>>> Xavier/Rogue as-yet-undefined-road trip-motif.

In the greater scheme of things, one is more important than the other.

Look at it this way. If there was a Rogue mini-series, I wouldn't expect a Cyclops cameo to take precedence over appearances by Mystique, Gambit and Nightcrawler.

[brundlefly]

You're supposed to go on about how Sinister would think such things of any woman who dared to court/romance one of his boys. :biggrin:

Heh, nice. :biggrin:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Heh, nice. :biggrin:

Creepy Daddy Sinister jokes = surefire hit

[For the Good of X]

Reforming the Outback X-men!!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

Wouldn't that prove an interesting metamorphosis for X-Men Legacy?
Rogue gets Betsy outta Exiles? With Gateway's help they rescue Havok from space? So on and on until an Outback era style team is rebuilt? (Obviously Storm, Wolvie and Colossus wouldn't be free...but Dazz could leave SanFran etc.) They become a "rogue" X-Men team, lol.

[Swashbuckler]

Wouldn't that prove an interesting metamorphosis for X-Men Legacy?
Rogue gets Betsy outta Exiles? With Gateway's help they rescue Havok from space? So on and on until an Outback era style team is rebuilt? (Obviously Storm, Wolvie and Colossus wouldn't be free...but Dazz could leave SanFran etc.) They become a "rogue" X-Men team, lol.

Opal Tanaka could also join to fill the human femal role that Maddie Pryor held. She needs help getting away from those Cybrogs in the orient. Also, Iceman and Rogue went on a road trip once where Iceman's dad wasn't too pleasant to Rogue. He was also VERY racist and unpleasant to OPAL TANAKA. The two could bond over it. Plus, Rogue owes Iceman a favor for being awesome while on her failed squad. Saving his ex would do it and could also add him to the line-up to replace snow making Storm.

http://x24.xanga.com/c54c4a3425d30197275411/s152532233.jpg
(notice Rogue's boob in the corner)

[psycwave]

Wouldn't that prove an interesting metamorphosis for X-Men Legacy?
Rogue gets Betsy outta Exiles? With Gateway's help they rescue Havok from space? So on and on until an Outback era style team is rebuilt? (Obviously Storm, Wolvie and Colossus wouldn't be free...but Dazz could leave SanFran etc.) They become a "rogue" X-Men team, lol.

Havok can stay in space I would much rather have Jesse Bedlam take his place.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/Bedlampoweredup.jpg

Opal Tanaka could also join to fill the human femal role that Maddie Pryor held. She needs help getting away from those Cybrogs in the orient. Also, Iceman and Rogue went on a road trip once where Iceman's dad wasn't too pleasant to Rogue. He was also VERY racist and unpleasant to OPAL TANAKA. The two could bond over it. Plus, Rogue owes Iceman a favor for being awesome while on her failed squad. Saving his ex would do it and could also add him to the line-up to replace snow making Storm.

http://x24.xanga.com/c54c4a3425d30197275411/s152532233.jpg
(notice Rogue's boob in the corner)

I can see Opal taking that role. She will bicker constantly with the others about her pants and how they function as a weapon.

[Flameworthy]

Havok can stay in space I would much rather have Jesse Bedlam take his place.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/Bedlampoweredup.jpg


Isn't his codename just Bedlam? Ugh, I hated when they called him Jesse Bedlam. In any case he was awesome, and one of my favorites from X-Force. I still don't believe he's dead since it was never officially stated anywhere on panel, or maybe I'm just in denial.:frown:

[For the Good of X]

Poor Opal, she gets no respect as Iceman's Asian persuasion, per Janet Jackson.

Jesse Bedlam...when was the last time we saw him? Oh right, dead in the erased-from-my-memory Casey issues of UXM. He did have an interesting mutation. Too bad.

[Swashbuckler]

Poor Opal, she gets no respect as Iceman's Asian persuasion, per Janet Jackson.

Jesse Bedlam...when was the last time we saw him?

I know it's horrible. Opal Tanaka has connections all over the X-universe, but just because Bobby couldn't handle her properly she is villainized.

[Flameworthy]

Jesse Bedlam...when was the last time we saw him?

Sadly, crucified on the X-Men's front lawn during Austen's run.

[For the Good of X]

Casey/Austen...the horrific nature of it all blurs.

[For the Good of X]

I know it's horrible. Opal Tanaka has connections all over the X-universe, but just because Bobby couldn't handle her properly she is villainized.

Maybe she can date a Summers and Sinister will take an interest in her. Or something. :cool:

[Nyssane]

I finally got the issue.

I was sad that Prism only appears on the cover. Misleading! Even Sabretooth made a flashback cameo. :frown: However, Sinister... is sexy. If I were a comic character, I'd totally bend before his might. Prism must be so lucky.

[psycwave]

Isn't his codename just Bedlam? Ugh, I hated when they called him Jesse Bedlam. In any case he was awesome, and one of my favorites from X-Force. I still don't believe he's dead since it was never officially stated anywhere on panel, or maybe I'm just in denial.:frown:

Yeah i just can't sometimes get out the habit of saying the full thing...no you are not in denial he is still alive....he is protecting the depowered mutants of the M.U.S.E. facility in Sanfran.....i'm sure he will catch up with the X-men soon.

Sadly, crucified on the X-Men's front lawn during Austen's run.

Please do not speak that name or the of that horrible story as if it were canon....

[psycwave]

..............................

[Shaid O Gray]

Please do not speak that name or the of that horrible story as if it were canon....

What, you don't want Austen's run to be canon? Why, whatever do you mean?? Did you not enjoy stories like 'The Draco'?? (*Having trouble keeping a straight face*) :rolleyes:

[psycwave]

What, you don't want Austen's run to be canon? Why, whatever do you mean?? Did you not enjoy stories like 'The Draco'?? (*Having trouble keeping a straight face*) :rolleyes:

It has been erased from my memory

[Shaid O Gray]

It has been erased from my memory

Wise choice. And hey, on the bright side, it was all so blah, it will be succesfully ignored by other writers for years to come, thereby slowly fading from canon!

(Which is much harder to do with high-profile train wrecks like Loeb's Wolverine story.)

[SkinFromBone]

Xavier is finally interesting to me. Marvel, plz don't let him get control back k thx.