Uncanny X-Men #499 Review/SPOILERS

[Askani's Flame]

I didn't see this posted anywhere and had time to kill at the office. It's my first thread/review so here we go. . . .


We begin the issue focusing on a woman with glasses walking the streets blowing bubbles. We're told that she remembers being someone important, but that she can't think beyond her name "Sunflower Moonfly" and blowing bubbles. She stops and comments about the fireworks in the sky being "pretty lights".

The lights are clearly Cyclops' optic blasts as he and Emma take on Warpath, Hepzibah, Iceman and Angel. Scott tells Emma to "watch your flank!". Emma retorts with the it "had better not mean" what thinks thinks it to be or he won't see any of it once they get out of the mess they are in. Scott decides to take on the group and that Emma should find the source, after asking about Warpath's vulnerability.

RUSSIA
Wolverine is facing off against Omega Red while Colossus takes care of Nightcrawler. Omega Red asks if the rest of the X-Men are around the corner, but Logan responds that he doesn't need them. They start fighting and Logan stabs Arkady in the shoulder commenting he doesn't have his armor on. Pete puts Kurt into a bathroom and enters the frey knocking Arkady across the room with two punches. As Pete starts attacking Arkady again, he starts in with

"Did they think I'd join you?! Be LIKE YOU?!
All my LIFE! All my life--people like you--"

Logans yells at Peter to back off, but it's too late. Omega Red has wrapped one of his tendrils around Peter's legs and starts absorbing his energy. Logan starts fighting Arkady again demanding him to let Colossus go, calling him a "friggin parasite". Arkady smiles and comments about the juice up Colossus provided for him. Peter starts to get up and says he's really angry now.

60's San Fran
Scott is taking on Bobby, Warren and James. Bobby is ice-sliding towards Scott, Warren is above/behind Scott with James in the front. Warren comments about Scott's nice uniform, throwing pig in there, and that he can't stop the revolution. Meanwhile Scott is hitting Bobby's slide with an optic blast, throwing him into Warren.

From upstairs looking out, you see 'The Goddess' (Martinique) and Eli watching the battle below. Eli is less than enthusiastic about the violence and says it isn't such a good idea. Martinique is about to respond when she falls to the floor seeming dizzy. Eli starts to revert to his true appearance, and says he's changing. Martinique comments "she's trying to get in. . .into my head. . . "

Move to Emma in a corner concentrating telling Scott she's almost through her barriers (showing her punching through a brick wall in her diamond form in what I assume is Martinique's mind). Scott asks for a target to hit, before he has to hurt someone. The woman from the beginning is outside with two others commenting on the lights.

RUSSIA
Pete attacks Omega Red, with Red commenting that they can't hurt him. He then burrows his fingers through Peter's arms and starts to absorb some more. Logan stabs Arkady through the forearm and the abdomen. This is when Omega Red says he is going to eat Logan's brains while wrapping one of his coils around Logan's neck. Also removing Logan's claws from his abdomen and cutting Logan's leg open. Pete starts to attack again but is caught by one of the coils (does he not learn?). Pete gets drained some more and gets tossed into Logan and they hit the wall. Omega Red talks of cutting Logan apart and watching him stitch himself together, when Kurt gets up and teleports himself and Omega Red high above the facility they are in, commenting that Arkady has terrible manners.

60's San Fran
Martinique starts to revert from her Goddess outfit to her previous clothing (one suit thingy) while Eli asks what's happening to them. Enter one of Scott's large optic beams, cutting through the wall and ceiling of the house/apartment. Emma comments that it was a direct hit and she's not transmitting anymore (Scott being held up by a reverting Warren). Meanwhile the rest of the city snaps back into reality leaving things in chaos. The bubble woman reverts and is about to be rundown by a truck . . . .

RUSSIA
We watch Omega Red fall through the multiple floors of the complex they are in back to Wolverine and Colossus. Kurt pops back in and says that should keep him down for about an hour he figures.

60's San Fran
Just as our lady-friend with the glasses is about to become roadkill, Warren swoops down and rescues her. She's startled that she's flying at first, Warren saying he's and X-Man and at her service.

Scott and Emma look for Martinique amongst the rubble where Eli is. Eli doesn't know and Emma confirms this. Scott asks Emma if he's sure it was Jason Wyngarde's daughter doing this, especially since she hasn't been seen since M Day. Emma says that she was here the whole time, just didn't know who she was and she made everything right again. Which then Emma lays into Eli for taking advantage of her in that state, which Eli exclaiming it was her the whole time.
As Scott and Emma tend to the other X-Men who are recovering Warren swoops down with our lady-friend. It turns out that she is the mayor of San Francisco, she's really glad to meet them, and can help them with their relocation plans. Angel: "Cool, huh?"

RUSSIA
Logan gets a call from Scott as they watch S.H.I.E.L.D. cart off Omega Red. Tells Peter and Kurt that Scott has things worked out and it's time to head home. Kurt asks if they have a home, and Logan says Scott sounded happy about it. "Said it's time for the X-Men to 'seize the day'". With that said, the three take off in snowmobiles heading to see what Scott has gotten them into.

Normal San Fran :frown:
Martinique is wandering around, not sure how she escaped. She just faded and reappeared in another part of the city heading towards this location. She wandering an alley when a voice says, "You don't know, but you will be shown, Martinique Wyngarde. . . .most powerful of the Mastermind family." Martinique asks how this person knows her. Voice with black arm with red bands and buckles:
"I know all my sister mutants . . . . some better than they know themselves,even. That's why I saved you girl. Because they're coming here . . . all of them are going to be coming here soon. . . . and the Sisterhood is going to be ready for them." The last frame shows a newspaper with the X-men and Mayor on the fron page. Headline reads: Mayor Welcomes X-Men to City. SF Reject Initiative.


Overall not a bad issue, but I felt that things seemed to tie up too cleanly. Almost like the issue was anti-climatic in a sense, especially Russia. I am intrigued as to the Sisterhood and the character that saved Martinique. I am trying to figure out who she is, assuming that it is a woman. I don't like that Choi only did the Russia sequences again in this issue. :mad:

[drwho]

Only thing I am wondering is if the sisterhood will allow men and if not why not since the brotherhood allowed women.

[CyberHubbs]

Brubaker seems to have this problem with Uncanny. He builds things up, and you expect it to just explode into this grand, powerful finale, but then he jerks back on the reins. It's almost like he's scared.

Also, let me point out how much I love seeing Cyke kick the crap out of the X-Hippies!

[Nyssane]

ZOMG I knew Martinique would be a member of the Sisterhood! Dragoness next, onegaishimasu!

[psycwave]

YAY Martinique and the Sisiterhood o Mutants!!!:tongue: :biggrin:

[Beast]

Sounds great. Nice to see a logical reason why San Francisco welcomed the X-Men so openly.

[CMBMOOL]

Sounds great. Nice to see a logical reason why San Francisco welcomed the X-Men so openly.

You got that right, the X-men are going to fit into San Fran like Tony Hawk and his Skatebording crew. :tongue:

[Steven F.]

Edited for my pleasure

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sounds like fun. Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow.

[frog]

I want my copy now! :frown: It all sounds good.






So, somebody going to start betting on who the newest mystery character is? :biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

I can't wait for everyone to find out who it is that saved Mastermind II. Some will be excited...others not.

"Voice with black arm with red bands and buckles" does not sound immediately familiar. I want to know.

SF Rejects the Initiative. LOL!

[Pro]

Brubaker seems to have this problem with Uncanny. He builds things up, and you expect it to just explode into this grand, powerful finale, but then he jerks back on the reins. It's almost like he's scared.

Agreed, he does so much better on Captain America or other solobooks but for some reason his team writing leaves you feeling less than overwhelmed by the end of the story. He begins well and then it tapers off at the end.
I don't think it helps when he tries to divy his attention not only on multiple characters but multiple stories as well.

Headline reads: Mayor Welcomes X-Men to City. SF Reject Initiative.

Since when can majors reject federal laws ..? I'm not an american so maybe i'm missing something ..
This setup all seems a little convenient.
What was Cyclops' big plan? Because supposedly his rejecting Iron Man was part of his strategic planning buying time for the next move but it sounds like he just lucked out by saving the major who just happens to be manipulated by Martinique who just happens to be in San Francisco and the major just happens to be thankfull enough to reject a nationwide law. Is this the new status quo we've been waiting for for months or is it a setup for something bigger because i feel pretty underwhelmed so far. I don't really get this set up of the x-men as san francisco's resident superhero team either. What exactly is the difference between working as san francisco's initiative team and this? And wasn't the whole point of the new status quo the struggle for survival and all that? How is being the famed and beloved san fran superhero team help that storyconcept?

[frog]

"Voice with black arm with red bands and buckles" does not sound immediately familiar. I want to know.

SF Rejects the Initiative. LOL!

Does the arm belong to a black person or is that a sleeve colored black?

[psycwave]

"Voice with black arm with red bands and buckles" does not sound immediately familiar. I want to know.

SF Rejects the Initiative. LOL!

Who is an ambiguous female mutant who would have interest in other ambiguous female mutants?.....The question of the day people!:biggrin:

[darknessatnoon]

Since when can majors reject federal laws ..? I'm not an american so maybe i'm missing something ..
This setup all seems a little convenient.
What was Cyclops' big plan? Because supposedly his rejecting Iron Man was part of his strategic planning buying time for the next move but it sounds like he just lucked out by saving the major who just happens to be manipulated by Martinique who just happens to be in San Francisco and the major just happens to be thankfull enough to reject a nationwide law. Is this the new status quo we've been waiting for for months or is it a setup for something bigger because i feel pretty underwhelmed so far. I don't really get this set up of the x-men as san francisco's resident superhero team either. What exactly is the difference between working as san francisco's initiative team and this? And wasn't the whole point of the new status quo the struggle for survival and all that? How is being the famed and beloved san fran superhero team help that storyconcept?

San Francisco residents have voted to ban military recruiting in the past. Also, Jello Biafra ran for major of SF on the platform that no cars could be allowed in City Limits and all businessmen would have to wear clown-suits to work. This issue is referencing the tenor of local politics.

And by being embraced by SF, the X-Men are surviving by integrating while letting their freak flag fly.

[Mr.EZ]

Since when can majors reject federal laws ..? I'm not an american so maybe i'm missing something ..
This setup all seems a little convenient.

I must agree. With that, and the "Sisterhood" and with Angel swooping in and saving just the right person, my expectations of the next few issues have dropped considerably.

I'll stick with it, cause it's X-Men, but it's getting hard to stomach.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This setup all seems a little convenient.

Kinda. Still, hardly controversial.

What was Cyclops' big plan? Because supposedly his rejecting Iron Man was part of his strategic planning buying time for the next move but it sounds like he just lucked out

Cyke admitted he didn't have a plan. On-panel. Play fair. :tongue:

What exactly is the difference between working as san francisco's initiative team and this?

Stark and Cooper, lol.

And wasn't the whole point of the new status quo the struggle for survival and all that? How is being the famed and beloved san fran superhero team help that storyconcept?

Got me there.

[darknessatnoon]

Who is an ambiguous female mutant who would have interest in other ambiguous female mutants?.....The question of the day people!:biggrin:

Perhaps there is a Ms. Sinister?

[psycwave]

Perhaps there is a Ms. Sinister?

Either that or*gasp* DARK PHOENIX REBORN!!!! NOOOOOO!:biggrin: But seriously its Selene....

[darknessatnoon]

Either that or*gasp* DARK PHOENIX REBORN!!!! NOOOOOO!:biggrin: But seriously its Selene....

Selene does not wear trashy red armbands.

[Nyssane]

I pray it's not Selene.

Maybe someone can scan the picture with the female?

[psycwave]

Selene does not wear trashy red armbands.

But they go with her new red headband and tracksuit...

[Domo Goddess]

I still don't have the issue yet even though I subscribed. :confused:

It's good to know Arkady survives.

[Pro]

San Francisco residents have voted to ban military recruiting in the past.

Well, obstructing militairy recruiting isn't a federal offense as far as i know.

Also, Jello Biafra ran for major of SF on the platform that no cars could be allowed in City Limits and all businessmen would have to wear clown-suits to work. This issue is referencing the tenor of local politics.

Sure, but the Initiative is federal politics.

And by being embraced by SF, the X-Men are surviving by integrating while letting their freak flag fly.

Yea i get that. Just don't get it from a plot point perspective. maybe it'll get cclearer at some point but wasn't marvel setting up the mutants as the hardboiled survivalists? I don't really get how this moves that plot concept forward? A city full of mutie lovers, parades, public presence, happy happy people. So far it seems to backtrack on the concepts that were espoused months ago.

[frog]

I still don't have the issue yet even though I subscribed. :confused:

It's good to know Arkady survives.

I subscribe to most of the X-books. Sometimes they arrive early, sometimes late. There's not really any sense to it.

[Pro]

Cyke admitted he didn't have a plan. On-panel. Play fair.

Not really brilliant strategy, is it?

"I'll reject the federal law that supervises superhero activities and then we'll .. we'll .. ehm .. wait .. "

[darknessatnoon]

Well, obstructing militairy recruiting isn't a federal offense as far as i know.



Sure, but the Initiative is federal politics.


I don't know. It's fiction.

A city like San Francisco can file an injunction against the Superhuman Registration Act and defy.

In real life the Civil War wouldn't have ever happened because localities and affected individuals would just go to court and block it from being enacted. But whatever. Emma Frost is a lot smarter than Captain America.

[gorthon616]

Yea i get that. Just don't get it from a plot point perspective. maybe it'll get cclearer at some point but wasn't marvel setting up the mutants as the hardboiled survivalists? I don't really get how this moves that plot concept forward? A city full of mutie lovers, parades, public presence, happy happy people. So far it seems to backtrack on the concepts that were espoused months ago.

Yes, I agree. Though it sounds potentially interesting to have Cyclops running Slaughter-Force on the side with the X-Men in the public eye. But really, this completely feels almost like a joke compared to the intensity of Messiah Complex.

[gorthon616]

A city like San Francisco can file an injunction against the Superhuman Registration Act and defy.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about? City's don't file injunctions over federal law.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yes, I agree. Though it sounds potentially interesting to have Cyclops running Slaughter-Force on the side with the X-Men in the public eye. But really, this completely feels almost like a joke compared to the intensity of Messiah Complex.

Puh-lease.

The mayor's and SF collective will shed RomaTears when they'll learn of Cyke's death squad. That's intense drama right there.

[frog]

Well, who would think to look for a Death Squad in San Francisco?

[gorthon616]

Puh-lease.

The mayor's and SF collective will shed RomaTears when they'll learn of Cyke's death squad. That's intense drama right there.

Like I said, that would be interesting. However, it hasn't really been shown how the two books will be related to one another. At the moment in Uncanny it's like Cyke doesn't even have an X-Force.

[darknessatnoon]

Are you sure you know what you're talking about? City's don't file injunctions over federal law.

Sigh.

Generally. But I don't care about being accurate re: a comic book.

As a "party" they can petition for a court ordered injunction. Liberal judges, yadda yadda.

[gorthon616]

Well, who would think to look for a Death Squad in San Francisco?

Me. But that's more wishful thinking than anything. DIE HIPPIE DIE!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, who would think to look for a Death Squad in San Francisco?

The important was about Cyclops breaking San Francisco's heart, lol.

Which is pure awesome. :biggrin:

And I like SF. Still, pure awesome.

[CyberHubbs]

Yes, I agree. Though it sounds potentially interesting to have Cyclops running Slaughter-Force on the side with the X-Men in the public eye. But really, this completely feels almost like a joke compared to the intensity of Messiah Complex.

I doubt public fame is exactly what Scott was looking for. It'll be a side-effect of them moving into San Fran, obviously, 'cause that city loves their freaks of nature!

I keed, I keed.

I'm sure the fame won't last long, though. Might come a point where the X-Men start to realize that some locals are treating them like an endangered species on display, rather than heroes.

[Pach!]

Well, obstructing militairy recruiting isn't a federal offense as far as i know.



Sure, but the Initiative is federal politics.



Yea i get that. Just don't get it from a plot point perspective. maybe it'll get cclearer at some point but wasn't marvel setting up the mutants as the hardboiled survivalists? I don't really get how this moves that plot concept forward? A city full of mutie lovers, parades, public presence, happy happy people. So far it seems to backtrack on the concepts that were espoused months ago.

They are still going to be survivalists in the sense that they are still a dying species. At least this way the teams can focus on this "you're going to die out if you can't get some new mutant babies" angle and forget about the "they will always hate you" angle for a while.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Like I said, that would be interesting. However, it hasn't really been shown how the two books will be related to one another. At the moment in Uncanny it's like Cyke doesn't even have an X-Force.

The current timeline is a mess. It was said in UXM that Scott and Ems went on vacation a few weeks post-MC. Secret Invasion takes place at least 5 months after MC.

Which means either Scott and Ems spent 3 months in the Savage Land or it took the X-Men that much time to throw one costume party. Just... yeah. :frown:

[gorthon616]

Sigh.

As a party they can petition for a court ordered injunction. Liberal judges, yadda yadda.

Against federal law? Where exactly would a state court get that jurisdiction? Typically, an injunction would be an order by the court over a party that the court has jurisdiction over. The California court could not file an injunction against the US government (to my knowledge) because they don't have jurisdiction over them. They could grant injunctions against other entities, but that is a separate matter and not "passing an injunction against the SHRA."

sigh.

[darknessatnoon]

Against federal law? Where exactly would a state court get that jurisdiction? Typically, an injunction would be an order by the court over a party that the court has jurisdiction over. The California court could not file an injunction against the US government (to my knowledge) because they don't have jurisdiction over them. They could grant injunctions against other entities, but that is a separate matter and not "passing an injunction against the SHRA."

sigh.

Who said they went to a State Court? There are District Federal Courts. Jeez.

Don't sit there and parse the legal language of my off-handed posts. It's pedantic. There are ways around federal laws, even temporarily, and localities can resort to them.

[gorthon616]

They are still going to be survivalists in the sense that they are still a dying species. At least this way the teams can focus on this "you're going to die out if you can't get some new mutant babies" angle and forget about the "they will always hate you" angle for a while.

You know. I just recall in an interview they said that book would have as a theme babies, and hence reproduction and sex. So that's the teams new mission? To get knocked up and see if they can get that new mutie baby?

[psycwave]

Well, who would think to look for a Death Squad in San Francisco?

WHO WOULDN"T!?!!?!?

[RoguishGurl]

Against federal law? Where exactly would a state court get that jurisdiction? Typically, an injunction would be an order by the court over a party that the court has jurisdiction over. The California court could not file an injunction against the US government (to my knowledge) because they don't have jurisdiction over them. They could grant injunctions against other entities, but that is a separate matter and not "passing an injunction against the SHRA."

sigh.

They could just use the Tenth Amendment. If I remember that amendment correctly. I might be mistaken.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You know. I just recall in an interview they said that book would have as a theme babies, and hence reproduction and sex. So that's the teams new mission? To get knocked up and see if they can get that new mutie baby?

Sure beats Endangered Species.

Or House of M 2.0 - Reversal!!!

[Pro]

and forget about the "they will always hate you" angle for a while.

By being public mutant superheroes? In the only city in the united states apparently rejecting a federal law that protects its citizens against superhero violence? A federal law which imprisons anyone who refuses to comply with the SHRA? I fail to see the logic.

[gorthon616]

They could just use the Tenth Amendment. If I remember that amendment correctly. I might be mistaken.

That's probably the one you were looking for, though I'm sure we've all heard the half-billion arguments as to why the SHRA is unconstitutional for a variety of reasons.

[Pach!]

By being public mutant superheroes? In the only city in the united states apparently rejecting a federal law that protects its citizens against superhero violence? A federal law which imprisons anyone who refuses to comply with the SHRA? I fail to see the logic.

By being superheroes in a city that loves them. Don't overcomplicate it.

[gorthon616]

Sure beats Endangered Species.

Or House of M 2.0 - Reversal!!!

Okay, you win. It does beat Endangered Species.

I don't get the House of M 2.0 comment though...

[timbox]

The chick at the end was Selene. or the mayor of san franciso

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I don't get the House of M 2.0 comment though...

IF someone decide to writes some godawful deus ex machina of a plotline that will give mutants their power back en masse.

Godawful? Check.
Deus ex machina? Check.
Mutants powers on/off just for the hell of it? Check.

That's House of M 2.0 alright.

[psycwave]

The chick at the end was Selene. or the mayor of san franciso

THANK YOU!!!!! Tim you and i are going to become fast friends...

[Hi-Fi]

I have a problem with Hepzibah not being mentioned in the summary.

Other than that, good work!

[timbox]

I have a problem with Hepzibah not being mentioned in the summary.

Other than that, good work!

Hepz was awesome of course, Emma had to chicken out to diamond form to save herself. It also showed Emma in diamond form once while she was telepathically attacking Mastermind. No biggy though, great issue.

[frog]

Hepz was awesome of course, Emma had to chicken out to diamond form to save herself. It also showed Emma in diamond form once while she was telepathically attacking Mastermind. No biggy though, great issue.

Hmmmm. Brubaker is apparently following Whedon's lead with Emma.

[psycwave]

The best part of this issue was the "flank" converstaion.:biggrin:

[Red Lotus]

Hmmmm. Brubaker is apparently following Whedon's lead with Emma.

Then thats make Bru pretty smart then.

[Beast]

The chick at the end was Selene. or the mayor of san franciso
Selene wouldn't be caught dead in black and red.

And we know she's not the one behind this. She's got Wither with her.

So unless she gave him a sex change, they won't be the Sisterhood. Plus they're planned for elsewhere.

[Hi-Fi]

It's not Selene, Tim.

I think we'll see Selene again in X-Force.

[frog]

Methinks timbox was being facetious. Check for lemon chiffon!

[Hi-Fi]

LOL. Oh, timbox.

Did Mystique had enought time to get back from the desert and form an awesome sisterhood??

[timbox]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

[Pro]

That's House of M 2.0 alright.

What do you think they're setting the messiah baby up for?
They've done their very best to point out that if nothing happens there simply aren't enough mutants to save the mutant race. 13 chapters of Endangered Species pointlessness to drive that home. The messiah baby is editorial damage control. A deux ex machine in the making. When they're done with survivalist stories (read: when avengers movies are finished): plop! Messiah Baby to the rescue!

Mutants powers on/off just for the hell of it? Check.

And that's my main problem with marvel mutants these days. "Just for the hell of it". Everything that's been written since M-day feels like an afterthought, damage control.

Step one: remove mutants to get them out of the avengers way. Step two: erm ..

[psycwave]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

Okay I have no idea who that is....

[gorthon616]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

That doesn't seem like Selene to me...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What do you think they're setting the messiah baby up for?

Funny story?

I was kinda hoping the baby's birth would simply f**k up the fabric of the universe and allow mutants to be born out of nowhere. Or something, whatever.

And then never be mentioned again. Ever.


And that's my main problem with marvel mutants these days. "Just for the hell of it". Everything that's been written since M-day feels like an afterthought, damage control.

I got nothing.

X-Books are still more intelligible and entertaining than they've ever been imo. And yes, you're right it ain't exactly all thanks to TPTB at Marvel. Oh well.

[timbox]

One this I forgot to mention that was horribly wrong with this issue:

Selene/Mystique/Anaconda actually calls Martinique the "most powerful of the Mastermind family."

WHAT?! This mysterious imposter obviously does not know Lady M.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Selene/Mystique/Anaconda actually calls Martinique the "most powerful of the Mastermind family."

WHAT?! This mysterious imposter obviously does not know Lady M.

I dunno, Martinique performed a brain enema on a whole city without really trying.

And damnit if that doesn't sound so very wrong for anyone to pull that off out of context, lol. Damn you Marvel.

[Seikun21]

One this I forgot to mention that was horribly wrong with this issue:

Selene/Mystique/Anaconda actually calls Martinique the "most powerful of the Mastermind family."

WHAT?! This mysterious imposter obviously does not know Lady M.

Lady M never turned an entire city into Hippies (at least not that we know of) Her illusions were usually more localized.

[timbox]

Lady M never turned an entire city into Hippies (at least not that we know of) Her illusions were usually more localized.

Lady M imprisoned Sage in an illusion which should be impossible, she is clearly superior.

[Pro]

I was kinda hoping the baby's birth would simply f**k up the fabric of the universe and allow mutants to be born out of nowhere. Or something, whatever.

Yea but new births aren't going to save them. Mutants can procreate, far as we know they can still procreate with both other mutants and humans and they still made a point that it would not be enough to save the species.
So like i said something is bound to happen between now and the next 100 or so mutants getting killed. And we all know how fast mutants die .. ;)

Not to mention is anyone really waiting for the next few decades of x-men stories to be about making babies ..?

[Nyssane]

One this I forgot to mention that was horribly wrong with this issue:

Selene/Mystique/Anaconda actually calls Martinique the "most powerful of the Mastermind family."

WHAT?! This mysterious imposter obviously does not know Lady M.

LMAO, Anaconda.

Martinique is definitely more powerful. Not only during this arc of Uncanny, but back in X-Corps when she mind-controlled several peeps. Lady M can't do that.

[Beast]

One this I forgot to mention that was horribly wrong with this issue:

Selene/Mystique/Anaconda actually calls Martinique the "most powerful of the Mastermind family."

WHAT?! This mysterious imposter obviously does not know Lady M.
Well... like others have said, she's technically right.

And two, she's stroking Mastermind's ego to get her to join. Gasp, a villain who uses manipulation.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yea but new births aren't going to save them. Mutants can procreate, far as we know they can still procreate with both other mutants and humans and they still made a point that it would not be enough to save the species.
So like i said something is bound to happen between now and the next 100 or so mutants getting killed. And we all know how fast mutants die .. ;)

Okay, the important point was about me never wanting to hear from it again.

Not what I actually hoped could be salvaged from it, lol. :biggrin:

[timbox]

And two, she's stroking Mastermind's ego to get her to join. Gasp, a villain who uses manipulation.

As long as we can agree that it's not canon, thanks Beast! :wink:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As long as we can agree that it's not canon, thanks Beast! :wink:

But all the evidence in canon points toward Martinique being the strongest, lol.

I don't follow the reasoning. :biggrin:

[DDM]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

The character is covered in shadow; it could literally be any character. Selene still wears her Hellfire Club Black Queen costume or the Cult of Fire ceremony dress:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.184.GIF

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.189.GIF

Selene's eyes also do not glow yellow. Her eyes are red.

[Flâneur]

Lady M can drink more whisky. She's clearly the stronger of the two.

[Quinnhop]

Penance/Hollow possessed by Shadow King?

lulz

No idea on this mystery figure...

[Seikun21]

Lady M can drink more whisky. She's clearly the stronger of the two.

Can't argue with that. Martinique looks like a lightweight anyways.

[fitditz]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg


Clearly its the Cheshire Cat :tongue:

[darknessatnoon]

Selene's eyes also do not glow yellow. Her eyes are red.

There you go. It's not Selene. The color of the eye-glow contradicts continuity.

[CyberHubbs]

There you go. It's not Selene. The color of the eye-glow contradicts continuity.

It's more of an orange shade, really.

[claimtosubclaim]

There you go. It's not Selene. The color of the eye-glow contradicts continuity.

This made my day. Thanks. :smile:

[psycwave]

There you go. It's not Selene. The color of the eye-glow contradicts continuity.

Ahh...continuity never steers you wrong does it.

[Josef F.]

I have decided that It is Spiral
Why?
Why not.

[psycwave]

I have decided that It is Spiral
Why?
Why not.

She was like my 2nd guess but then I was like where are all the extra arms. Still this guessing game will only end in heartbreak...

[Swashbuckler]

Perhaps we will be thrown for a loop and this new character will be Magik!

[CyberHubbs]

Maybe it's a Plasma Wraith from Wolverine #51-52!

[timbox]

THis issue was really good, it would have been a great send off for Mike Choi (although #500 send off would have been even better)! I really wish he had the time to do the whole issue, but Oliver did a good job filling in.

[CmX]

Was it me (or perhaps just my issue?) but Choi's pages were way too dark I could hardly tell what was going on cause of the heavy inks ?

Normally I don't have a problem at all with his pencils I love them, but this issue it was difficult to see the panels clearly.

I liked the ending, not a big splash of an ending but it was ok. I liked the very last page the best though. Martinique is neat, I've never read her before. Why did she have amensia do we know?

[Josef F.]

Maybe It's Misty Knight!
Or A Reincarnated Humbug!!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/179894-110785-humbug_super.jpg

[timbox]

Martinique is neat, I've never read her before. Why did she have amensia do we know?

She was still all whacked out from Decimation when the old hippy shot her up with speedballs.

[Novaya Havoc]

I think that the Sisterhood Woman is... Lois London!

It makes sense. Her eyes glow with hunger for hobo flesh.

[psycwave]

I think that the Sisterhood Woman is... Lois London!

It makes sense. Her eyes glow with hunger for hobo flesh.

That would be interesting....With the X-men in Sanfran Northstar will become the most popular x man...

[Novaya Havoc]

That would be interesting....With the X-men in Sanfran Northstar will become the most popular x man...

Northstar is just yet another gayface amongst a sea of gayfaces.

Dazzler has not only BEEN to San Francisco and toured there (Dazzler 15! With Spider-Woman!) but is also the ultimate GayDiva.

She even broke into the Transamerica building. TRANSAMERICA being a lauded indie film about transsexuals.

Ergo, Dazzler is clearly going to be the most popular in Frisco.

[psycwave]

Northstar is just yet another gayface amongst a sea of gayfaces.

Dazzler has not only BEEN to San Francisco and toured there (Dazzler 15! With Spider-Woman!) but is also the ultimate GayDiva.

She even broke into the Transamerica building. TRANSAMERICA being a lauded indie film about transsexuals.

Ergo, Dazzler is clearly going to be the most popular in Frisco.

You make me see Dazzler in a new light all the time Novaya. SHE IS DAZZLER QUEEN OF SANFRAN!!!!(and disco)

[darknessatnoon]

Northstar is just yet another gayface amongst a sea of gayfaces.

Dazzler has not only BEEN to San Francisco and toured there (Dazzler 15! With Spider-Woman!) but is also the ultimate GayDiva.

She even broke into the Transamerica building. TRANSAMERICA being a lauded indie film about transsexuals.

Ergo, Dazzler is clearly going to be the most popular in Frisco.

Didn't she perform at the Cow Palace?

http://www.cowpalace.com/graphics/exterior496.jpg
I need to to back and look.

[Novaya Havoc]

Didn't she perform at the Cow Palace?

http://www.cowpalace.com/graphics/exterior496.jpg
I need to to back and look.

Gold Star for you! YES! Dazzler performed at the COW PALACE with that hein fug Bruce Harris!

[Seikun21]

Northstar is just yet another gayface amongst a sea of gayfaces.

Dazzler has not only BEEN to San Francisco and toured there (Dazzler 15! With Spider-Woman!) but is also the ultimate GayDiva.

She even broke into the Transamerica building. TRANSAMERICA being a lauded indie film about transsexuals.

Ergo, Dazzler is clearly going to be the most popular in Frisco.

Northstar is not just a gay face. He's a French-Canadian Mutant, and a published author. He will have a gay fanbase which rivals even Dazzler

[Novaya Havoc]

Northstar is not just a gay face. He's a French-Canadian Mutant, and a published author. He will have a gay fanbase which rivals even Dazzler

But in addition to gays such as NORTHSTAR (who own both of her albums!) Dazzler also appeals to straight youth like CHAMBER and X-23 who love her concerts. And straight men like DEADPOOL and RHINO who find her hot.

She also turnes "straight" women - even ones who were once pregnant - lesbian, ala NOCTURNE.

Dazzler has the mad major appeal.

[psycwave]

But in addition to gays such as NORTHSTAR (who own both of her albums!) Dazzler also appeals to straight youth like CHAMBER and X-23 who love her concerts. And straight men like DEADPOOL and RHINO who find her hot.

She also turnes "straight" women - even ones who were once pregnant - lesbian, ala NOCTURNE.

Dazzler has the mad major appeal.

Wait....what? X-23 loves dazzler's concerts?:eek: Nocturne is a lesbo?:cool: I really need to go back and do sum reading. lulz:biggrin:

[Novaya Havoc]

Wait....what? X-23 loves dazzler's concerts?:eek: Nocturne is a lesbo?:cool: I really need to go back and do sum reading. lulz:biggrin:

Yes. Resident X-23lovah RoguishGurl can express Laura's love of Dazzler from her mini!

And SkrullDazzler/SkrullNocturne were a hot scissoring item in New Excalibur. Whoever said that flourescent pink and indigo blue clash like titans truly does not understand the power of fetishized love.

[Swashbuckler]

But in addition to gays such as NORTHSTAR (who own both of her albums!) Dazzler also appeals to straight youth like CHAMBER and X-23 who love her concerts. And straight men like DEADPOOL and RHINO who find her hot.

She also turnes "straight" women - even ones who were once pregnant - lesbian, ala NOCTURNE.

Dazzler has the mad major appeal.

I believe Northstar also had Juggernaut questioning himself in some Austen issues, or so it seemed.

And, with so many gays in SanFran, they will all know they can't sleep with Dazz, so Northstar will be the #1. Gays are about the sex.

[Novaya Havoc]

I believe Northstar also had Juggernaut questioning himself in some Austen issues, or so it seemed.

And, with so many gays in SanFran, they will all know they can't sleep with Dazz, so Northstar will be the #1. Gays are about the sex.

But the gays will call Dazzler in the morning! This is the difference.

Northstar is a good playdate, but Dazzler is a good breakfast-brunch date.

[psycwave]

I believe Northstar also had Juggernaut questioning himself in some Austen issues, or so it seemed.

And, with so many gays in SanFran, they will all know they can't sleep with Dazz, so Northstar will be the #1. Gays are about the sex.

I thought we all agreed to never speak of Austen and his run on X-men ever again. There is so going to be a catfight between jean-paul and Alison about who's the top queen in Sanfran.

[Saint]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

My guess is it's C. Nova, Chuck's sister.

[timbox]

Yes. Resident X-23lovah RoguishGurl can express Laura's love of Dazzler from her mini!


Pfft, RG.... *scoff*

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9581/sc006efcf1js3.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

Timbox?

More like WINbox.

That's the ticket!

[timbox]

Timbox?

More like WINbox.

That's the ticket!

I like your style!

[Josef F.]

I like your style!

YOU NEVER COMPLIMENT ME.
The flamewar is on.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EUR/2400-1337~Bengal-Tiger-Jumping-Flames-Posters.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

YOU NEVER COMPLIMENT ME.
The flamewar is on.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EUR/2400-1337~Bengal-Tiger-Jumping-Flames-Posters.jpg

Sage is in your Top 12, but neither Dazzler nor Lois London are.

Har-UMPH.

[psycwave]

Sage is in your Top 12, but neither Dazzler nor Lois London are.

Har-UMPH.

Nor are Psylocke, Jesse Bedlam, or Martinique Jason. What's up with that?

[drwho]

That picture reminds me of Bogan from Extreme.

[jawbreaker]

Dazzler also appeals to straight youth like CHAMBER

:confused:



no, that was Sugar Cane. And she wasnt appealing to him, he just wanted to get laid. :redface:

[Novaya Havoc]

Nor are Psylocke, Jesse Bedlam, or Martinique Jason. What's up with that?

Excuse your HERESY.

Martinique WYNGARDE now.

[Novaya Havoc]

:confused:



no, that was Sugar Cane. And she wasnt appealing to him, he just wanted to get laid. :redface:

Chamber mini! One of his bffs mentioned dancing at DAZZLER concerts!

[psycwave]

Excuse your HERESY.

Martinique WYNGARDE now.

O yeah, right. My bad...

[DeniseXfrost]

OMG Bru's gonna keep us guessing like the way he did with Martinique....damn it!

[RoguishGurl]

Yes. Resident X-23lovah RoguishGurl can express Laura's love of Dazzler from her mini!


Pfft, RG.... *scoff*

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9581/sc006efcf1js3.jpg

LOL. In my defense I wasn't on! It's a good thing that timbox is also an X-23 crazy! <3 timbox

[Atomic Mongoose]

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3327/seleneku1.jpg

It's ROUGE MORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[XYagentguy]

This is probably a stupid question, but do we know for sure it's definitely someone we are already familiar with??

[La Fea]

What if its one of those leathery demon girls from Azazel's army????

OR EBON FROM THE HELLIONS???

[Nyssane]

What if its one of those leathery demon girls from Azazel's army????

OR EBON FROM THE HELLIONS???

Maybe it's BENAZIR KAUR.

Or BLOODY BESS.

Or maybe TORQUE from the TWISTED SISTERS.

[frog]

Dark Pixie!

[Hi-Fi]

Beautiful Dreamer.

[Quinnhop]

Beautiful Dreamer.

lol

Karma!!

[steve2275]

its a hottie regardless of who she is

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Something just dawned on me...

About the cover... is it the one from Billy Tan?

[timbox]

Something just dawned on me...

About the cover... is it the one from Billy Tan?

Yes, Cyclops and Emma together in death throws as Cyclops releases one last blast before sucombing to the eternal abyss.

[tore_a_bore_a]

The cover I had was from Tan and I think this issue only had one.

When I saw that on the recap page that Mike Choi AND Ben Oliver were doing artwork, I was so disappointed. I love Mike Choi's art while Ben Oliver's was just terrible in Ultimate X-men, espically during the Magican arc.

Luckily, Oliver's art didn't make me want to tear my eyes out this issue and I could follow what was happening in the story.

[AN0LE]

lol

Karma!!

Ernst :biggrin:

[Askani's Flame]

I have a problem with Hepzibah not being mentioned in the summary.

Other than that, good work!

Thanks. I was underwhelmed with the lack of Hep in the issue as a whole. Really she only appeared fighting Emma and then not again until the very very end. I'll do better next time :biggrin:

It also showed Emma in diamond form once while she was telepathically attacking Mastermind. No biggy though, great issue.

I took those two scenes being two different things: 1) Emma crouched in the corner concentrating on breaking Martinique's mind. 2) Emma "breaking through the barrier" in Martinique's mind. It looks like she's breaking through the wall to the adjoining room, but I think it was supposed to represent the mind. I blame the less than stellar SanFran artwork for confusion.

That picture reminds me of Bogan from Extreme.

I know, which would greatly annoy me.

This is probably a stupid question, but do we know for sure it's definitely someone we are already familiar with??

I thought that too. But then there's that whole debacle of 198. . . . oy

What if its one of those leathery demon girls from Azazel's army????

OR EBON FROM THE HELLIONS???

After rereading it I went and started researching teleporters because it insinuated that she was removed from the premises. I doubt it's Selene. But I can't figure out who it is from the artwork. I thought Dark Mother, but she's toast. At least Bru knows how to keep us guessing on the mystery reveals.

[Lucky Luciano]

Brubaker seems to have this problem with Uncanny. He builds things up, and you expect it to just explode into this grand, powerful finale, but then he jerks back on the reins. It's almost like he's scared.

Also, let me point out how much I love seeing Cyke kick the crap out of the X-Hippies!

Scared? That's ridiculous. The next issue has more answers and so forth. There was no need to shoot his load in just a issue where a mention was made. Damn. People find reasons to cry about anything.

[Omega Alpha]

Good, if rather forgettable, issue. Set-up for #500 indeed.

[Hi-Fi]

Wow, this was a rather uninspiring finale. Except for the mysterious epilogue and some fun interactions, it was pretty bland.

[darknessatnoon]

Wow, this was a rather uninspiring finale. Except for the mysterious epilogue and some fun interactions, it was pretty bland.

I will read and review Legacy shortly, Hi Fi. Let's see if it measures up!?

[Hi-Fi]

I will read and review Legacy shortly, Hi Fi. Let's see if it measures up!?
I haven't read Legacy yet, so I can't comment. However, I hear the mayor of San Francisco aka NOT Dazzler does not make an appearance.

[Novaya Havoc]

I haven't read Legacy yet, so I can't comment. However, I hear the mayor of San Francisco aka NOT Dazzler does not make an appearance.

Snapz! No Icarus or SAGE talk for a week!

[darknessatnoon]

I haven't read Legacy yet, so I can't comment. However, I hear the mayor of San Francisco aka NOT Dazzler does not make an appearance.

Snapz! No Icarus or SAGE talk for a week!

Josef F. and I are men whose word is bond. Do not doubt us.

[streator]

sounds like a decent issue. the costume party from issue 500 is probably in their honor, then. also, the city being against the initiative gives other mutants good reason to go there.

[metalgorgomon]

Kinda underwhelming issue, IMO, both the Hippies and Russia stories. Emma is fabulous as always, but it's a pity that the other X-Hippies were underused.

The Russian finale fell kinda flat for me. Overall I think the Russia story was better, but the hippies was more fun.

The best thing that came out from this arc were the dancing Lady Kitten and the mysterious upcoming sisterhood story.

[psycwave]

Hippies!! Colossus being an idiot!!! FLANK!!!!

[f4faith]

Yea i get that. Just don't get it from a plot point perspective. maybe it'll get cclearer at some point but wasn't marvel setting up the mutants as the hardboiled survivalists? I don't really get how this moves that plot concept forward? A city full of mutie lovers, parades, public presence, happy happy people. So far it seems to backtrack on the concepts that were espoused months ago.

This is Marvel. They rarely ever have a clue how to actually move plot concepts forward in any way but one that doesn't go against the very point they keep saying they are trying to make. Take good ole Cyclops for example. I don't know how many writers and editors now at Marvel keeping falling all over themselves to tell me what a brilliant leader and "end all be all" of the X-Men he is.

But can they actually make him seem like it in a story besides having him send out a hit squad? Heck no. As someone just pointed out in this story alone it's all fluff and mirrors - things like them lucking up into SF just happen not because Cyclops actually has a plan. If Marvel really wants me to buy Cyclops is sooo friggin important and brilliant, then SHOW not tell and they've yet to do it. Some of the dumbest and least thought out moves since House of M have been his. If this was all set up for a big fall then I might have some interest in the character but so far all I am is annoyed that he's in way too many books ala Wolverine these days. Same with this move to SF - it's blantantly just "hey, SF would be a cool place to move the X-Men to" Ok fine but I'd be less annoyed if you didn't keep telling me it's suppose to be so much more.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As someone just pointed out in this story alone it's all fluff and mirrors - things like them lucking up into SF just happen not because Cyclops actually has a plan. If Marvel really wants me to buy Cyclops is sooo friggin important and brilliant, the SHOW not tell and they've yet to do it.

Oh, please, you're just pissed off a certain Southerner Belle went into part-time limbo because she irked Cyke. Not overdoing it and thus repeating the mistakes of a certain someone...? Anyone...? Him not being the actual god-king of the universe is a *good* thing.

Wow, this was a rather uninspiring finale. Except for the mysterious epilogue and some fun interactions, it was pretty bland.

Just read the thing and... It kinda was, wasn't? The material was worth a good 30-35 pages and it thus felt rushed.

Oh well. Still fun overall and very far from being the worst current x-book..

[frog]

This issue sounds like an enjoyable if unremarkable read.

I think the best part of it was finding the results of darknessatnoon vs. Josef.

[f4faith]

Oh, please, you're just pissed off a certain Southerner Belle went into part-time limbo because she irked Cyke.

You're just responding because no one can say anything remotely bad about Cyclops or you can't stand it. I'm not complaining as much about Cyke though he still bores me but about how Marvel can't actually promote the concept they keep saying.

Him not being the actual god-king of the universe is a *good* thing.

It would be if Marvel didn't act and treat him like he was. If he got called on his stupidity more and wasn't in nearly every x-book these days.

[AcesX1X]

LAME!

I wanted that bubble lady to be Dazzler!

[RafiShai]

Okay, I really expected more from this. A bigger finish, something more exciting, I don't know. That's not to say this hasn't been a good issue or a good story, it's just that the ending could have been much better.

The ending to the Russia plot was sort of obvious, but it was still a lot of fun read. The art was absolutely amazing, Choi is at his best and I'm very sad at this being has last issue... The X-Men never looked better.

The San-Fransisco arc ended being pretty much the basic prelude for the up and coming changes. The unknown woman really was the mayor (how coincidental!), which made the transfer to the new city much easier. Seeing how it all ended, I can't wait to see more from Lady Mastermind and the Lady Brotherhood! The art on this part was okay as well, but I still liked Choi's art better.

All and all, it was a good story from start to finish. Bring on San-Fran :cool:

[psycwave]

Forget who was who!! We must all protect our FLANKS!!!! THE FLANKS PEOPLE THE FLANKS!!!!! I have an obsession with the word flank now...:redface:

[timbox]

Stop refering to the "end" or the "finish." It's right there in the front of the book: Part 4 of 5!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm not complaining as much about Cyke though he still bores me but about how Marvel can't actually promote the concept they keep saying.

Their concept is that he is the undisputed leader of the x-men, kicks ass overall and takes it to the next level without being an unabashed psycho. They did *not* say anything about him being perfect or having a plan/solution to everything thrown the mutants' way.

[Nite-Wing]

The issue was okay but I question why Brubaker would introduce another Lady Mastermind when the first one is alive and well.(Check Carey's website to get the info) Also Cyke beating Iceman is WTF. This issue was just basically an issue to hurry and finish the storyline.

[darknessatnoon]

The issue was okay but I question why Brubaker would introduce another Lady Mastermind when the first one is alive and well.(Check Carey's website to get the info) Also Cyke beating Iceman is WTF. This issue was just basically an issue to hurry and finish the storyline.

That is the first one. You've got the order reversed. And Brubaker didn't "introduce" her.

[psycwave]

The issue was okay but I question why Brubaker would introduce another Lady Mastermind when the first one is alive and well.(Check Carey's website to get the info) Also Cyke beating Iceman is WTF. This issue was just basically an issue to hurry and finish the storyline.

That is the first one. You've got the order reversed. And Brubaker didn't "introduce" her.

Who is much more superior and more in control of her mental instability than Regan...

[For the Good of X]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

[Nite-Wing]

The San-Fransisco arc ended being pretty much the basic prelude for the up and coming changes. The unknown woman really was the mayor (how coincidental!), which made the transfer to the new city much easier. Seeing how it all ended, I can't wait to see more from Lady Mastermind and the Lady Brotherhood! The art on this part was okay as well, but I still liked Choi's art better.


It was just okay the brotherhood Idea is kinda played out now.

[frog]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

I seem to remember her holding her own with Banshee.

[Nite-Wing]

Who is much more superior and more in control of her mental instability than Regan...

That still doesn't make her better than Regan who is alot more interesting in my OP. Also regan isn't mentally unstable she's just really pissed off at Martinique who for some reason I didn't get was the Lady Mastermind in this issue.

[DDM]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

Emma Frost never really has engaged in physical combat with another foe; she always reliant on her telepathy to be a wild card in the battle, Hellfire Club mercenaries, her Hellions, or some other pawns in her power games. Although Emma Frost fight Phoenix in a psychic duel in Uncanny X-Men #131, it is essentially a battle between two telepaths.

[AcesX1X]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

I do not know but you are gorgeous.

[Pro]

who for some reason I didn't get was the Lady Mastermind in this issue.

The reason seems pretty simple really. Martinique can mentally and emotionally control people on top of being an illusionist. Regan cannot as far as i know. Martinique's simply the more powerfull of the Wyngardes. Which probably is also the reason why Regan loathes her :p

[AcesX1X]

Which probably is also the reason why Regan loathes her :p

and also explains why she has a drinking problem..

[f4faith]

Their concept is that he is the undisputed leader of the x-men, kicks ass overall and takes it to the next level without being an unabashed psycho. They did *not* say anything about him being perfect or having a plan/solution to everything thrown the mutants' way.

Yes they have. Maybe not a plan for EVERYTHING but they most certainly keep telling us what a great leader he is, how everyone thinks he is one, and that he is the one with a plan to help mutants survive. So far that plan as we know it is to create a death squad and luck into moving the team to SF and prior to that put all the remaining mutants on the front lawn (wherein they basically ended up in a relocation/containment camp), throw out any students no longer mutants (wherein they got killed), not really care where half the remaining X-Men are if all mutants are so important to mutant survival, and jump to conclusions about Cable and the baby. That may in your opinion make him "kick ass" but it does not in mine and it sure doesn't make me convinced he not a little bit psycho.

So as far as I'm concerned the words don't match the actions.

[streator]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

she's been shown to fight upclose before, in generation x, new x-men and elsewhere. as frog mentioned, she fought banshee while powerless in generation x. she also fought the u-men in the new x-men annual.

[creaky]

Logan: "Nice work, Elf"
Kurt: "Yes."

THAT's my Kurt! The real one! The proud, smart and sneaky adrenaline junkie who loves life! He's back! Please, let us keep him! Please! *clings*
Saving the day in his pajama pants while looking absolutely fantastic. Were there other parts of this issue? I forget. I was too busy focusing on what's IMPORTANT. Squee! Blue muscles! Punk hair! My cup, it overfloweth.

[psycwave]

Logan: "Nice work, Elf"
Kurt: "Yes."

THAT's my Kurt! The real one! The proud, smart and sneaky adrenaline junkie who loves life! He's back! Please, let us keep him! Please! *clings*
Saving the day in his pajama pants while looking absolutely fantastic. Were there other parts of this issue? I forget. I was too busy focusing on what's IMPORTANT. Squee! Blue muscles! Punk hair! My cup, it overfloweth.

You obviously missed the "Flank" debacle. That makes the issue...

[LordAllMighty]

Either this is bad writing/editing or I see an X-Skrull

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/455248_Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/455248/Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg.html)

Colossus doesn't bleed blood, he bleed energy. (Uncanny X-Men 212)

[DDM]

Either this is bad writing/editing or I see an X-Skrull

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/455248_Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/455248/Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg.html)

Colossus doesn't bleed blood, he bleed energy. (Uncanny X-Men 212)

It's more than likely a combination of bad editing & sloppy writing given the current new Marvel.

[streator]

Either this is bad writing/editing or I see an X-Skrull

http://s2d2.turboimagehost.com/t/455248_Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/455248/Uncanny_X-Men_499_011.jpg.html)

Colossus doesn't bleed blood, he bleed energy. (Uncanny X-Men 212)

It's more than likely a combination of bad editing & sloppy writing given the current new Marvel.

solution: omega red's ability to make people sick (death pheromones or whatever) weakened colossus to the point that he's able to bleed blood.

also, "new" marvel is almost 10 years old.

[LordAllMighty]

solution: omega red's ability to make people sick (death pheromones or whatever) weakened colossus to the point that he's able to bleed blood.

Nice theory.:smile:

I'm not saying your right or wrong but if Colossus was that weaken, then he should have fully revert back to human form. Colossus cannot become partially or selectively armored; his body is either entirely converted or not.

Oddly enough, when you look at the picture you can actually see Omega Red digging under the metal plates of Colossus's armor.:eek:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So as far as I'm concerned the words don't match the actions.

Cyke himself said he didn't have an actual plan. On-panel. Carey said SI would be the first story in which Cyclops' army/vision is put to the test.

Really, the editors/writers are just having a blast and saying 'Cyke pwnz. Just you wait. Bwahahahaha.' They're gonna have fun with this. Cyke ain't gonna take down the whole Skrull army on his own or be an actual Messiah because, and here's the kicker, it ain't fun.

Patience. Sheesh.

[Nite-Wing]

The reason seems pretty simple really. Martinique can mentally and emotionally control people on top of being an illusionist. Regan cannot as far as i know. Martinique's simply the more powerfull of the Wyngardes. Which probably is also the reason why Regan loathes her :p

Nah, I got mixed up cause they colored her hair red instead of the jet black which makes me recognize her as Martinique. Also Regan's illusions don't end even when shes unconscious. I thought she was stronger than her sister but I guess that was in the past since she's apparently "The strongest in the Mastermind family."

[creaky]

You obviously missed the "Flank" debacle. That makes the issue...

There was something about that outburst that felt too unsophisticated for Emma. And measuring up to Kurt being awesome in his pajamas?? No SIR.

[Seraku]

I for one am displeased that the sheer awesomness of mayor Gavin Newsom wasn;t used by Brubaker, that's unforgivable >_>

[steve2275]

Nice theory.:smile:

I'm not saying your right or wrong but if Colossus was that weaken, then he should have fully revert back to human form. Colossus cannot become partially or selectively armored; his body is either entirely converted or not.

Oddly enough, when you look at the picture you can actually see Omega Red digging under the metal plates of Colossus's armor.:eek:
that is badass
and kurt was more badass being the smartest of the 3 and all

[timbox]

I for one am displeased that the sheer awesomness of mayor Gavin Newsom wasn;t used by Brubaker, that's unforgivable >_>

I heard a rumor that this was the same mayor of San Fran that was used in The Order.

[DeadXMan]

not to mebntion it keeps i the story from being dated

[insidemyhead]

I always enjoy Emma Frost...but when did she become proficient in hand to hand combat? I get she had a diamond form and a new way to engage thus...but Morrison or Whedon has ever really shown her engaged in fisticuffs. Have they? Have I forgotten some panels of kick-ass due to delay-onset amnesia?

Emma mixed it up throughout Astonishing, though not always too successfully. She did awesomely clothesline a henchman with her diamond arm, I think in Astonishing #2...

[DDM]

also, "new" marvel is almost 10 years old.

Yet all can be wiped out faster when Joe Quesada is eventually replaced.

[streator]

Yet all can be wiped out faster when Joe Quesada is eventually replaced.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3765/brokenrecordoa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Nite-Wing]

Yet all can be wiped out faster when Joe Quesada is eventually replaced.

Which won't happen.

[DeadXMan]

Yet all can be wiped out faster when Joe Quesada is eventually replaced.

they'll give it too CC then.

Ma_ha ha ha!!!

see what happens when you look a gift horse in the Mouth:evilsmile:

[jester1436]

they'll give it too CC then.

Ma_ha ha ha!!!

see what happens when you look a gift horse in the Mouth:evilsmile:

Do you and Paula Abdul have the same supplier?

[Novaya Havoc]

Do you and Paula Abdul have the same supplier?

jester1436?

More like jesterWIN436.

[DeadXMan]

Mock me all you want so far 90%my predtions have been true.

in few years it will be Shooter's DC vs CC's Marvel
And Joe shall be president of Marvel

[psycwave]

If CC runs marvel then we'll have to deal with people constntly referring to themselves as "a body" going on "instinct" even though "plays aint won on granstandin" and "no-name" yelling at the "girl" even though the "fights over. You're done"

[tetragene]

Mock me all you want so far 90%my predtions have been true.

in few years it will be Shooter's DC vs CC's Marvel
And Joe shall be president of Marvel

if that day comes then Marvel will go the way of the Titanic and sink hard.

[pariah-1972]

Hmmm the only thing i can think of is the female might be Mystique since she is dark skinned and is hiding in the shadows and is talking about a "sisterhood" but im probably wrong

The thing about Nightcrawler kinda bugged me cause i remember reading where he couldn't teleport up like that cause theres no way he could get rid of the inertia her built up before landing.

I really wasn't crazy about the Mike Choi part cause it was so dark i could barely see anything:(

It's too bad theres noone else in San Fran they can meet up with (like Jessica Drew)

I still want to know what the big Celestial was doing in the first issue that never got resolved and i thought it was going to be a big plot point that connected with the illusions.

it wasn't a bad issue just kinda drab.

[Schuimend Mormel]

Hmmm the only thing i can think of is the female might be Mystique since she is dark skinned and is hiding in the shadows and is talking about a "sisterhood" but im probably wrongI thought of Mystique too when I saw the yellow eyes, but Mastermind and Mystique have worked together before, so they already know each other.

[nikbackm]

The thing about Nightcrawler kinda bugged me cause i remember reading where he couldn't teleport up like that cause theres no way he could get rid of the inertia her built up before landing.

It should work if he ports down again before he starts falling.



I still want to know what the big Celestial was doing in the first issue that never got resolved and i thought it was going to be a big plot point that connected with the illusions.


It is judging humanity and waiting for the Horde I think. It's more fleshed out in the new Eternals series.
It just had a cameo in #495, I doubt the X-Men will interact much, if any, with it.

[tetragene]

It's too bad theres noone else in San Fran they can meet up with (like Jessica Drew)

Well...
the REAL Spider-Woman may be held captive somewhere and after all this Secret Invasion business is over with she will return to San Fran and be a reocurring character? :wink:

I still want to know what the big Celestial was doing in the first issue that never got resolved and i thought it was going to be a big plot point that connected with the illusions.

I think it may have been planted in the scene because it will factor into a future story in San Fran

[pariah-1972]

It should work if he ports down again before he starts falling.



It is judging humanity and waiting for the Horde I think. It's more fleshed out in the new Eternals series.
It just had a cameo in #495, I doubt the X-Men will interact much, if any, with it.Who is the horde?

[pariah-1972]

I thought of Mystique too when I saw the yellow eyes, but Mastermind and Mystique have worked together before, so they already know each other.But Martineque was suffering from amnesia a bit wasn't she?
It could also be one of Kurt's long lost sisters that he has never met before somehow?
Kurts father had a bunch of his kids running around in his limbo if i recall.

Of course it could be a new character that they are just teasing us with mysteriously.

Evil mofo's.

[nikbackm]

Who is the horde?

Some info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreaming_Celestial

... "a devastating force called The Horde ("...the locusts of the Universe.."), drawn to the planet by the Celestial's awakening, is heading for the Earth." ...

[Pro]

It is judging humanity and waiting for the Horde I think. It's more fleshed out in the new Eternals series.
It just had a cameo in #495, I doubt the X-Men will interact much, if any, with it.

I hope they do, it holds the key to restoring the mutant race. The celestials were after all the ones who implanted the x-gene in humans in the first place.
I could see it being a factor in moving the x-men to san francisco.
I think it was mentioned the x-men were relying on faith and destiny to restore the mutant race since science had failed to aid them or something like that.

Here's hoping it turns the entire san francisco population into mutants ...

Of course the dreaming celestial isn't the nicest of the bunch ..

[creaky]

The thing about Nightcrawler kinda bugged me cause i remember reading where he couldn't teleport up like that cause theres no way he could get rid of the inertia her built up before landing.

The problem with vertical 'ports used to be that they were a lot more taxing on him than regular ones.

[Pro]

The problem with vertical 'ports used to be that they were a lot more taxing on him than regular ones.

No Pariah is right. Nightcrawler couldn't stop his fall from a plane in the old days because gravity was still a factor. He basically would keep falling while the best Kurt could do is decrease the distance of his fall.
It doesn't seem to be a problem anymore these days. Jumping seems to stop his inertia these days.

[creaky]

No Pariah is right. Nightcrawler couldn't stop his fall from a plane in the old days because gravity was still a factor. He basically would keep falling while the best Kurt could do is decrease the distance of his fall.
It doesn't seem to be a problem anymore these days. Jumping seems to stop his inertia these days.

I know about the inertia thing, but someone else had already responded to that, so I figured I didn't need to mention it. Anyway, it's really not an issue in this particular stunt, because he can just 'port back before he starts to fall. When 'porting out of a moving vehicle, it becomes an issue and I don't recall that changing?

[rZi]

Yet again, massivly underwhelmed by brubakers uncanny. Omega Red felt pointless after he was disposed of so suddenly. Same for wyngarde...although i am a tad curious as to who was in the shadows, but not greatly.

I guess i shouldn't of expected alot with #500 next month.

[Schuimend Mormel]

Timbox suggested that the mayor of San Fran may be the Sisterhood mutant who appears at the end. I like that idea, at the beginning of the issue she says to herself that she remembers being 'someone very important'... What if her being the mayor is supposed to mislead the reader about her actual importance. If she is involved with the Sisterhood -whether she is or isn't the mutant who appears on the final page- getting friendly with the X-Men would be a good way of getting her claws into them and perhaps use them for her own purposes.

I, for one, liked this issue OK. It's good to see the X-Men being praised after saving human lives instead of them being chased away by an angry mob. Cyclops fighting Warren and Bobby was also very, very nice. The main problem I have with this story was that, now that it's finished, the adventure of Peter and co. in Russia does seem kind of pointless.

Also, when Omega Red ripped his hand into Peter's arm, it looked like there was red flesh and blood underneath. But when Peter armours up, he's supposed to become full-body steel, and not just coated in steel.



EDIT: >smacks forehead< Mayor probably isn't the mutant on the last page, as she had fallen under the influence of Martinique's illusion herself. But it would still be cool if she has ties to the Sisterhood anyway.

[La Fea]

I wonder if the Sisterhood will have any more post-M-Day reveals (like Martinique) or feature some depowered ladies.

[psycwave]

I wonder if the Sisterhood will have any more post-M-Day reveals (like Martinique) or feature some depowered ladies.

I'd like to believe threnody is going to show up at some point.

[pariah-1972]

No Pariah is right. Nightcrawler couldn't stop his fall from a plane in the old days because gravity was still a factor. He basically would keep falling while the best Kurt could do is decrease the distance of his fall.
It doesn't seem to be a problem anymore these days. Jumping seems to stop his inertia these days.I noticed this in X-2 also.
I think the only gave him this weakness otherwise he would be porting high up and drop people all the time.

What would realistically happen if he ported after falling down?
I'm obviously no physics major.

[Jennifer de Vries]

I'd like to believe threnody is going to show up at some point.

Better yet, she should be the woman in the shadows.

*makes it so*

[Pro]

What would realistically happen if he ported after falling down?
I'm obviously no physics major.

He'd retain his speed and vector. Meaning if he fell 50 feet and teleported to the ground he'd still hit the ground with the same speed he had before he teleported.

[creaky]

I think the only gave him this weakness otherwise he would be porting high up and drop people all the time.

He still could. As we've pointed out several times by now, it's only a problem if he lets himself fall and build velocity before he 'ports back. The reason he's NOT dropping people like that left and right is that it's a lethal move if the enemy is not as thick-skinned as Omega Red and Kurt doesn't want to resort to those measures when a punch/kick is usually enough. That, and vertical teleports are harder for him to do, or at least used to be. Still, way back when, he 'ported the Blob to the top of the Washington Monument and left him there. He can do it, the inertia thing is not the problem.

[Pyro]

Well, I called Sunflower Moonfly turning out to be the Mayor. Other than that, I was not digging the issue.

OMG Bru's gonna keep us guessing like the way he did with Martinique....damn it!That's exactly what I was thinking. That kind of plot dangler is getting old. And is it just me, or do the X-books just seem to be recycling old villains constantly? *Yawn*

solution: omega red's ability to make people sick (death pheromones or whatever) weakened colossus to the point that he's able to bleed blood.That's a good guess I suppose. Marvel hates it when fans just point out their flaws without attempting to cover it up. Also, it seems like powers are never explained anymore. I mean, yeah it was cheesy in the past to have villains spell out what they're doing, but nowadays I feel like I'm already supposed to know what their powers are. Halfway through the issue I was like,
"Ok... so Omega Red's got some regeneration powers...and some life sucking powers. Hrm"

[Affinity]

Well, I called Sunflower Moonfly turning out to be the Mayor. Other than that, I was not digging the issue.

You totally did, awesome!

[Schuimend Mormel]

Also, it seems like powers are never explained anymore. I mean, yeah it was cheesy in the past to have villains spell out what they're doing, but nowadays I feel like I'm already supposed to know what their powers are. Halfway through the issue I was like,
"Ok... so Omega Red's got some regeneration powers...and some life sucking powers. Hrm"I hear you, and they don't even need to let the villains/heroes explain their powers. They could just use narration boxes. It could be done really well, and almost subtle. Those used to be part of the medium, why aren't they used anymore?

It's like Emma said in the second part of this arc: 'Please don't narrate to me, Scott'.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I received my copy in the mail yesterday and the cover has Cyclops and Emma Frost. I thought this was supposed to be the cover for 498 with Wolverine being on 499. Is this an error? Can someone confirm this?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I received my copy in the mail yesterday and the cover has Cyclops and Emma Frost. I thought this was supposed to be the cover for 498 with Wolverine being on 499. Is this an error? Can someone confirm this?

498 was Bondage Wolvie. 499 was Cyke and Ems'.

Am guessing it was a promo mistake rather than a printing one.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

498 was Bondage Wolvie. 499 was Cyke and Ems'.

Am guessing it was a promo mistake rather than a printing one.

Thank you for clearing this up! Since I don't have a LCS the only way I get to see what the cover "should" look like is online until it shows up at my door step.

[Beast]

I received my copy in the mail yesterday and the cover has Cyclops and Emma Frost. I thought this was supposed to be the cover for 498 with Wolverine being on 499. Is this an error? Can someone confirm this?
From the Shipping and Product Update thread:

Cover art for the solicitations for Uncanny X-Men #498 (MAR082224D, $2.99; FOC 05/08/08) & #499 (APR082314D, $2.99; FOC 06/05/08) were accidentally switched.

[firstmode]

I pray it's not Selene.

Maybe someone can scan the picture with the female?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff312/firstmode/smen.jpg