Secret Invasion: Who do you trust one shot **SPOILERS**

[Thomas Uk]

Ive been off the boards for a while so apologies if the content of this issue has allready been discussed, I know its been out over a week or so but I couldn't find it if it has. Just wondered what you lot though to the events of the issue, I know it might have gone under the radar with some X fans because it is essentially an avengers/more general marvel Universe book.

**SPOILERS FOLLOW**





So in Christos Gage's short in this issue Wonder man from the Mighty Avengers and The Beast (who alongside the other heroes and possible Skrulls, landed on a skrull spaceship in secret invasion #1) find themselves seperated from the rest of the combatants. This serves as an opportunity for the characters to interact and The Beast to try and convince Wonder-man he is not in fact a skrull. Of course I didnt believe a word of it till the last few panels where The beast suddenly turns and knocks Wonder-man for six, then speaking to himself admits that things are pretty different since hes gone and he couldnt trust that Wondy wasn't a skrull until he knows more about whats going on.

If it is true that this beast is the real McCoy (pun intended! hoho), years of continuity regarding him could be possibly disregarded including the recent endangered species mini because he is in his pre-secondary mutation form. However he would be returned to his original furry appearance.

So what does everyone think, it this monologue a sign that this recent arrival is the actual Beast? Is it just another ruse and a case of a skrull who actually believes he is the original character? Could that explanation be applied to the beast weve been reading about recently? Is this book too small scale for a reveal like this to be genuine?

[timbox]

I trust Agent Brand.

[frog]

Ive been off the boards for a while so apologies if the content of this issue has allready been discussed, I know its been out over a week or so but I couldn't find it if it has. Just wondered what you lot though to the events of the issue, I know it might have gone under the radar with some X fans because it is essentially an avengers/more general marvel Universe book.

**SPOILERS FOLLOW**





So in Christos Gage's short in this issue Wonder man from the Mighty Avengers and The Beast (who alongside the other heroes and possible Skrulls, landed on a skrull spaceship in secret invasion #1) find themselves seperated from the rest of the combatants. This serves as an opportunity for the characters to interact and The Beast to try and convince Wonder-man he is not in fact a skrull. Of course I didnt believe a word of it till the last few panels where The beast suddenly turns and knocks Wonder-man for six, then speaking to himself admits that things are pretty different since hes gone and he couldnt trust that Wondy wasn't a skrull until he knows more about whats going on.

If it is true that this beast is the real McCoy (pun intended! hoho), years of continuity regarding him could be possibly disregarded including the recent endangered species mini because he is in his pre-secondary mutation form. However he would be returned to his original furry appearance.

So what does everyone think, it this monologue a sign that this recent arrival is the actual Beast? Is it just another ruse and a case of a skrull who actually believes he is the original character? Could that explanation be applied to the beast weve been reading about recently? Is this book too small scale for a reveal like this to be genuine?

I'm quite certain that Cat-Beast is the true Beast. The most simple reason is it would be really moronic of the Skrulls to change the form of someone they tried to impersonate. If the reasons the SI Beast gave were actually good, why wouldn't the Skrulls do that all the time?

Cat-Beast is in Astonishing solicits and has really had too much development that would be ruined by him being Skrully.

[Pro]

So what does everyone think, it this monologue a sign that this recent arrival is the actual Beast? Is it just another ruse and a case of a skrull who actually believes he is the original character? Could that explanation be applied to the beast weve been reading about recently?

Either one of the two seems to think he is the genuine article so could apply to either one of them. It would be an interesting way of bringing back ape-Beast.

But didn't they already say in relation to X-men: secret invasion that none of the x-men are skrull infiltrators? Which would more than likely make ape-Beast a skrull and cat-beast the real deal.

[frog]

I trust Agent Brand.

Yes, she'd single-handedly slaughter all the "sons of grass green whores" herself if she found out they not only mooned her but got her all excited too!

[psycwave]

I trust Agent Brand.

Ditto for me

[timbox]

more discussion here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7001597#post7001597)

[Thomas Uk]

I'm quite certain that Cat-Beast is the true Beast. The most simple reason is it would be really moronic of the Skrulls to change the form of someone they tried to impersonate. If the reasons the SI Beast gave were actually good, why wouldn't the Skrulls do that all the time?

Cat-Beast is in Astonishing solicits and has really had too much development that would be ruined by him being Skrully.

Thats what I figured as well and it would be an aweful shame to lose all that history, the writing is persuasive though, a lot of efforts been done to make this really sound like the Beast did in the 70s with his raport with Wondy. As for your first point though the Beast does cover this maybe not so convincingly when Wonder-man raises it up...

"Whats more likely, some "secondary mutation", or that the real Hanck McCoy was replaced by someone else? A pretty clever way to avoid having to duplicate someone exactly, don't you think?"

I personally think the beast in question is a skrull who genuinely believes hes the Beast, hopefully we'll see it resolved in the SI X-men crossover.

[nikbackm]

I personally think the beast in question is a skrull who genuinely believes hes the Beast, hopefully we'll see it resolved in the SI X-men crossover.

Seems more likely it will get handled in the SI proper considering both Wonder Man and Ape Beast (the skrull!) are mostly Avengers characters.

[Pro]

A pretty clever way to avoid having to duplicate someone exactly, don't you think?"

Well the transition from ape to cat happened on panel and was done by Sage to save Beast (don't recall if anyone else was around though). So unless Sage is also a skrull (which i wouldn't rule out entirely) it's still not very likely ape beast is the real mcCoy.

I'm mostly wondering whether the fake heroes have some codeword that switches on their skrull memories or if they're doomed to think they're the real deal for the rest of their unnatural lives ..

[escapegoat]

I'm willing to bet both Wonder Man and Besat in that story are both sleeper agent skrulls.
Heck, I'm betting all the characters on that ship are probably sleeper skrull agents that were intended to be used at an earlier time that somehow got lost/set aside, thus the time displacement in their appeances, and their confusion...

[frog]

Well the transition from ape to cat happened on panel and was done by Sage to save Beast (don't recall if anyone else was around though). So unless Sage is also a skrull (which i wouldn't rule out entirely) it's still not very likely ape beast is the real mcCoy.

I'm mostly wondering whether the fake heroes have some codeword that switches on their skrull memories or if they're doomed to think they're the real deal for the rest of their unnatural lives ..

As I recall, Sage didn't actually see him transform but had a vision of what he was going to become. That still doesn't make for a very likely Skrull.

I'd like to see a bunch of them decide they liked being human better than being a Skrull and revolt!

[darknessatnoon]

Well the transition from ape to cat happened on panel and was done by Sage to save Beast (don't recall if anyone else was around though). So unless Sage is also a skrull (which i wouldn't rule out entirely) it's still not very likely ape beast is the real mcCoy.

I'm mostly wondering whether the fake heroes have some codeword that switches on their skrull memories or if they're doomed to think they're the real deal for the rest of their unnatural lives ..

Sage is not a Skrull. I think Roma would have noticed.

As I recall, Sage didn't actually see him transform but had a vision of what he was going to become. That still doesn't make for a very likely Skrull.


She improved his DNA.

[AcesX1X]

She improved his DNA.

I do not consider this an improvement. If anything, Sage simply had a glitch in her programming when she jumpstarted his DNA.

The act itself is forgivable. Not the results.

[darknessatnoon]

I do not consider this an improvement. If anything, Sage simply had a glitch in her programming when she jumpstarted his DNA.

The act itself is forgivable. Not the results.

It is possible that she was sabotaging his DNA since that's the scene where Sage complains to herself that Xavier always treated Hank better than her.

[frog]

I do not consider this an improvement. If anything, Sage simply had a glitch in her programming when she jumpstarted his DNA.

The act itself is forgivable. Not the results.

Oh, the results are an improvement. He no longer wears his hair like Wolverine and doesn't resemble a creature that throws poo!

[AcesX1X]

Oh, the results are an improvement. He no longer wears his hair like Wolverine and doesn't resemble a creature that throws poo!

Nor can he hold a pencil or use the restroom like the rest of humanity.

And he has gained weight and neglected his grooming of late.

Subjective, I understand. But, I am with dn@n. His DNA was sabotaged and sadly, he is now in denial over his ill fate.

[darknessatnoon]

Nor can he hold a pencil or use the restroom like the rest of humanity.

And he has gained weight and neglected his grooming of late.

Subjective, I understand. But, I am with dn@n. His DNA was sabotaged and sadly, he is now in denial over his ill fate.

That's what he gets for turning himself into a science experiment.

[frog]

Nor can he hold a pencil or use the restroom like the rest of humanity.

And he has gained weight and neglected his grooming of late.

Subjective, I understand. But, I am with dn@n. His DNA was sabotaged and sadly, he is now in denial over his ill fate.

I think he's figured out the pencil by now, and the litter box was just Cassandra Nova messing with his head.

Cat-Beast is awesome. Agent Brand knows!

[Thomas Uk]

Thi whole secondary mutation thing has always confused me, wasnt the beast's transformation to the Blue 'ape' beast his secondary mutation? Or is it that because he was born with abnormalities the blue furred version was his full although dormant adolescent mutation which was triggered by his failed experiment?

[Pro]

Sage is not a Skrull. I think Roma would have noticed.

Not sure why Roma would notice whereas no one else so far has been able to. It's never been quite explained whether she's a very powerfull sorceress or a cosmic being and i didn't read Die by the Sword so possible. Skrull sage with omniversal knowledge would be pretty scary but i doubt they'll that way really especially since the skrulls couldn't anticipate Roma bestowing her knowledge unto Sage.

She improved his DNA.

That's what i recall yea. Always wondered why she doesn't use that power more often.

[darknessatnoon]

Thi whole secondary mutation thing has always confused me, wasnt the beast's transformation to the Blue 'ape' beast his secondary mutation? Or is it that because he was born with abnormalities the blue furred version was his full although dormant adolescent mutation which was triggered by his failed experiment?

Vargas broke every bone in his body and he was dying. Sage took time out of her schedule to jumpstart his DNA so that he would live. Because he never thanked her, she turned him into a cat.

[Pro]

Thi whole secondary mutation thing has always confused me, wasnt the beast's transformation to the Blue 'ape' beast his secondary mutation? Or is it that because he was born with abnormalities the blue furred version was his full although dormant adolescent mutation which was triggered by his failed experiment?

Cassandra Nova tried (fairly successfully) to rattle Beast's cage by claiming his true mutation was to devolve. From almost human to ape to cat to ..

Because he never thanked her, she turned him into a cat.

:p

[frog]

Thi whole secondary mutation thing has always confused me, wasnt the beast's transformation to the Blue 'ape' beast his secondary mutation? Or is it that because he was born with abnormalities the blue furred version was his full although dormant adolescent mutation which was triggered by his failed experiment?

He turned into Ape-Beast when he took his own serum meant to jump-start mutations, so that wasn't a natural secondary mutation. However, his original mutant attributes that he was born with were supposedly caused by his father working at a nuclear facility so Beast just doesn't seem to quite fit the pattern of other mutants.

[AcesX1X]

Cassandra Nova tried (fairly successfully) to rattle Beast's cage by claiming his true mutation was to devolve. From almost human to ape to cat to ..


Has she ever been proven wrong?

[frog]

Vargas broke every bone in his body and he was dying. Sage took time out of her schedule to jumpstart his DNA so that he would live. Because he never thanked her, she turned him into a cat.

And gave him increased senses and power? She's a little confused, then.

[darknessatnoon]

And gave him increased senses and power? She's a little confused, then.

HOW is a cat more powerful than an ape?

[frog]

Has she ever been proven wrong?

Well, the fact that humans don't have cats in their evolutionary trail makes me fairly certain she's wrong!

[frog]

HOW is a cat more powerful than an ape?

Put a tiger and a ape in a cage and watch.


Besides, that's canon. His strength and healing factor increased, and senses became more acute.

[AcesX1X]

HOW is a cat more powerful than an ape?

And wtf is his tail? I propose that he has been turned into only half of a cat, thus adding insult to injury on Sage's part.

From this perspective, I am beginning to like her more and more, that devious ****.

[Pro]

Has she ever been proven wrong?

Oh she could be telling the truth for all we know.

However, his original mutant attributes that he was born with were supposedly caused by his father working at a nuclear facility so Beast just doesn't seem to quite fit the pattern of other mutants.

It was stated decades ago that mutancy started cropping up around world war II as the result of increased background radiation from nuclear tests and the Hiroshima bombing triggering the x-gene. Mutations up until world war II were extremely rare and far between. Beast was exposed to radiation through his father's work but it's not unusual in any way.

[AcesX1X]

Well, the fact that humans don't have cats in their evolutionary trail makes me fairly certain she's wrong!

So you now admit that he is an evolutionary mistake at this point.

Feral and Thornn's evolutionary trail also adds suspicion to your claim.

[lockerogue]

I sorry Frog but I'm just not a fan of Cat Beast. I miss Ape Beast so much.

[frog]

It was stated decades ago that mutancy started cropping up around world war II as the result of increased background radiation from nuclear tests and the Hiroshima bombing triggering the x-gene. Mutations up until world war II were extremely rare and far between. Beast was exposed to radiation through his father's work but it's not unusual in any way.

But he was born with his powers, which also separates him from most mutants. It's never been explained to my satisfaction.

[Pro]

But he was born with his powers, which also separates him from most mutants. It's never been explained to my satisfaction.

Killcrop :p.

[frog]

So you now admit that he is an evolutionary mistake at this point.

Feral and Thornn's evolutionary trail also adds suspicion to your claim.

I admit no such thing! He's simply not devolving because it can't work that way.

[lockerogue]

Cat Beast was Morrison's idea wasn't it.

[frog]

I sorry Frog but I'm just not a fan of Cat Beast. I miss Ape Beast so much.

I know that many fans do, but I don't think Ape-Beast is coming back anytime soon.

I've simply never liked simians.

[darknessatnoon]

I admit no such thing! He's simply not devolving because it can't work that way.

An ape can become a cat, but cannot devolve into a worm? You are not being consistent.

[frog]

Cat Beast was Morrison's idea wasn't it.

Yes, it was. Supposedly inspired by the Disney movie!

[escapegoat]

Yes, it was. Supposedly inspired by the Disney movie!

I thought it was the TV version of Beauty and the Beast....not the Disney version?

[Swashbuckler]

It's comic book science not actual real world science, so claiming evolution won't devolve him from ape to cat isn't really a good argument. Plus, with his utation, his DNA could keep simplifying, and mutating, therefore causing him to periodically change which species or genome he looks like. I personally can't wait for Flower-Beast.

[AcesX1X]

Amoeba Beast would be superior at this point.

[frog]

It's comic book science not actual real world science, so claiming evolution won't devolve him from ape to cat isn't really a good argument. Plus, with his utation, his DNA could keep simplifying, and mutating, therefore causing him to periodically change which species or genome he looks like. I personally can't wait for Flower-Beast.

Yes, it's comic book science, but they still need to adhere to basics for me to willingly suspend my disbelief. It doesn't make sense for him to retain his brilliant mind if he is devolving as well.

[frog]

I thought it was the TV version of Beauty and the Beast....not the Disney version?

Perhaps you are right. I can't remember what I read now, but he's definitely Morrison's creation.

[darknessatnoon]

Yes, it's comic book science, but they still need to adhere to basics for me to willingly suspend my disbelief. It doesn't make sense for him to retain his brilliant mind if he is devolving as well.

In Astonishing, he lost his mind due to his feral nature. As I recall, he only came to his senses with a ball of string.

[frog]

In Astonishing, he lost his mind due to his feral nature. As I recall, he only came to his senses with a ball of string.

That's not devolution. That's either nutcase Emma or evil Cassandra Nova again!

[darknessatnoon]

That's not devolution. That's either nutcase Emma or evil Cassandra Nova again!

Well, neither of them were messing with his head when he tried to use Danger as a scratching post.

[frog]

Well, neither of them were messing with his head when he tried to use Danger as a scratching post.

That was just robot rage. Sage better watch out!










And you'd better defend her while you still can!

[AcesX1X]

It's a shame Beast acted so bitter towards Trish when he changed. It was presumptive of him to assume she would be okay with this devolution. Anatomically speaking, she was only being practical.

[frog]

It's a shame Beast acted so bitter towards Trish when he changed. It was presumptive of him to assume she would be okay with this devolution. Anatomically speaking, she was only being practical.

Anatomically speaking, up yours!

Trash Trilby is a fickle gossip that caves to peer pressure. Beast is well rid of her. Agent Brand would kick Trish's butt in a second.

[worstblogever]

Anatomically speaking, up yours!

Trash Trilby is a fickle gossip that caves to peer pressure. Beast is well rid of her. Agent Brand would kick Trish's butt in a second.

I'd pay five bucks for a one-shot of Agent Brand leaving permanant scars on Trish Tilby while Hank cheered her on, for the record.

[AcesX1X]

Agent Brand is possibly equipped to mate with such a creature as he has become.

You cannot fault a woman for following the rules of nature.

Humans cannot mate with cats. Beast is a scientist. He should be aware of this.

[frog]

Agent Brand is possibly equipped to mate with such a creature as he has become.

You cannot fault a woman for following the rules of nature.

Humans cannot mate with cats. Beast is a scientist. He should be aware of this.

Beast is a mutant human, not a cat, proved by the fact that he answers to his name. You should be aware of this!

[nikbackm]

Agent Brand is possibly equipped to mate with such a creature as he has become.

You cannot fault a woman for following the rules of nature.

Humans cannot mate with cats. Beast is a scientist. He should be aware of this.

If there's a will there's a way.

[jester1436]

Anatomically speaking, up yours!

Trash Trilby is a fickle gossip that caves to peer pressure. Beast is well rid of her. Agent Brand would kick Trish's butt in a second.

It's not Trish's fault that her furry fetish runs towards blue apes and not blue cats. Despite the appeal of a sandpaper tongue, she just wasn't that into it.

[darknessatnoon]

Agent Brand is possibly equipped to mate with such a creature as he has become.

You cannot fault a woman for following the rules of nature.

Humans cannot mate with cats. Beast is a scientist. He should be aware of this.

My cat tries to mate with me, but I draw a line in our affections. And before frog says anything uppity in response to this, I would like to remind her that my cat is a genius.

[frog]

My cat tries to mate with me, but I draw a line in our affections. And before frog says anything uppity in response to this, I would like to remind her that my cat is a genius.

Your cat has questionable taste for a genius!

Beast is still a mutant, not a cat. Trish Trilby fails!
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/frog-pond/whack-1.jpg

[just another user]

Is it just me that prefers human beast?

[AcesX1X]

Is it just me that prefers human beast?


His hairy toes and large hands are acceptable.

[frog]

Is it just me that prefers human beast?

Joe Q. does too. However, I think that takes away a lot from what makes Beast such a great character. It's the contrast between his brilliant cultured mind and his external appearance that's fascinating and a lesson about taking things and people at face value.

[darknessatnoon]

Your cat has questionable taste for a genius!
[/IMG]

Insulting me and my cat was pretty uppity, frog. Consider yourself reported! :)

I am curious as to why you are so convinced that Beast has a human penis. Did you get your hands on the Milo Manara edition of E is for Extinction?

[frog]

Insulting me and my cat was pretty uppity, frog. Consider yourself reported! :)

I am curious as to why you are so convinced that Beast has a human penis. Did you get your hands on the Milo Manara edition of E is for Extinction?

Nope. I just know that Beast is enough of a gentleman that he wouldn't force an unpleasant experience on his lady love.

That and because CC isn't writing him!

[AcesX1X]

Nope. I just know that Beast is enough of a gentleman that he wouldn't force an unpleasant experience on his lady love.

That and because CC isn't writing him!

So he would DENY her the pleasures of human contact to fill the hole in his ego! Your cat-Beast is a truly selfish individual, indeed!!

[frog]

So he would DENY her the pleasures of human contact to fill the hole in his ego! Your cat-Beast is a truly selfish individual, indeed!!

No, he would have broken off the relationship himself. The fact that he didn't makes me think he is fully functional.

[Ogrebear]

Has anyone noticed the Art for Beast has moved him away from the Cat form he first devolped under Morrison to more of a hybrid of cat and ape forms?

Orginal Cat form:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/beast-bigcostume11.jpg

Astonishing Look:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/beast-bigcostume12.jpg

Endangered Species:
http://www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/endangered01.jpg

Lastest Look:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/230/astonishingbeastsa8.jpg

Straight legs, less upper body bulk, creaping back towards that hair cut etc...

[frog]

They can't seem to settle on how many fingers he has either! However, Bianchi also gave Nightcrawler extra fingers too.

I actually like him better with human legs than with the extra joint. However, there could be more unity on his look. I've always thought that Marvel should give all their artist models of the character's canon appearance so they can get it right.

That example from Endangered Species is when Andrea Devito filled in on the art. I really like that rendition of Beast.

[jester1436]

Joe Q. does too. However, I think that takes away a lot from what makes Beast such a great character. It's the contrast between his brilliant cultured mind and his external appearance that's fascinating and a lesson about taking things and people at face value.

Eh... no matter what form he takes, he hardly looks like he's the owner of a "brilliant cultured mind." At best he looks like a football jock with huge feet, at worst he looks like a refugee from a Geico commercial. Neither are hardly images in tune with the mind anymore so than bouncing blue ape Beast and furry fetish cat Beast.

[frog]

Eh... no matter what form he takes, he hardly looks like he's the owner of a "brilliant cultured mind." At best he looks like a football jock with huge feet, at worst he looks like a refugee from a Geico commercial. Neither are hardly images in tune with the mind anymore so than bouncing blue ape Beast and furry fetish cat Beast.

However, the difference is much more striking when his form isn't what we normally think of as human, which he still is. Therefore, his forms that don't conform to normal human appearance are much more appropriate.

And the glasses do lend him a touch of scholarly air.

[darknessatnoon]

I don't see how it makes any difference if Beast is a big blue overfed cat or a big blue ape.

[timbox]

I wish Beast was a Grape Ape.
http://www.animationalley.com/images/animationart/hannabarbera/grapeape.jpg

[frog]

I don't see how it makes any difference if Beast is a big blue overfed cat or a big blue ape.

Oh, the cat-form is all muscle. I like the cat form best because cats beat monkeys any time. Just remember, he's still all mutant and all man!

[darknessatnoon]

Oh, the cat-form is all muscle.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2237215720_6c8332057d.jpg

[frog]

I meant Beast's cat-form, not any cat's form!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2237215720_6c8332057d.jpg

That's what happens when cats don't get to let out their natural rage against robots.

[darknessatnoon]

Oh, frog!

Here, Beast loves you, too.

http://www.freakinweirdblog.com/images/dyna/cat_frog_cropped.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/thfrog.jpg

[frog]

Oh, frog!

Here, Beast loves you, too.

http://www.freakinweirdblog.com/images/dyna/cat_frog_cropped.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/ckaterina/square%20icons/thfrog.jpg

Now that's a cute kitty!