Jeph Loeb Kills the Ultimate U [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Mr.EZ

06-23-2008, 03:15 PM

Ravenheart

06-23-2008, 03:31 PM

That sucks.The only Ultimate title I read is Ultimate Spider-Man but its still a shock that they're going to kill the Ultimate Universe.

Maestro

06-23-2008, 03:48 PM

It's not true.

bbmakdaddycomics

06-23-2008, 03:52 PM

It's not true.

please dont play with my emotions on this lol, but could you show proof cuz i really need to know my favorite books arnt being cancelled

DAMN YOU JEPH LOEB

Beast

06-23-2008, 03:53 PM

David Finch revealed on Comic Book Syndicate-Ep28 that in "Ultimatum" the Ultimate Universe is coming to an end, and they'll be killing a great number of characters, and even he doesn't understand how they're getting away with it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BH7FGnDEyfk

Wow. I thought my hate of Loeb couldn't get any greater, but he's topped himself.
Rumors suggest that it's not coming to an end. But yeah, a lot of folks will be dying. And one book will be cancelled, which is rumored to be Ultimate X-Men. Which after Kirkman, would basically be a Mercy Flush.

And why the hate Loeb? You don't even know him. And over a comic book?

It's not like it's only his idea. Others saw the potential and agreed with it. If the Ultimate Universe did end, it's fulfilled it's purpose and lasted longer than most people expected.

Alan2099

06-23-2008, 03:54 PM

So they're ending it the ultimate universe. It's about time.

MaxofSteel

06-23-2008, 04:02 PM

So they're ending it the ultimate universe. It's about time.

:mad: ..........

desanth

06-23-2008, 04:05 PM

Ick, Jeph Loeb you monster!!!!
Yea, I read the comments on the youtube, I agree with those for the most part. One thing I didn't agree with was the comments on Mad's art, but that's a subject for another thread.

USM is not supposed to be part of Ultimatum at all, I heard this months ago, but I do believe they aren't touching it. Another thing I heard is that one team is going to be broken apart, although there will still be 4 monthly UU titles.

Beast

06-23-2008, 04:06 PM

So they're ending it the ultimate universe. It's about time.
It sorta has outlived it's original intention.

And in all likelyhood, they'll probably simply reboot it or something.

Ultimate X-Men almost requires a reboot at this point. Thanks to Kirkman.

Beast

06-23-2008, 04:08 PM

Asian_Invasion

06-23-2008, 04:12 PM

Whatever doesn't really bug me that much. The only titles I read were Ultimate Spider-Man and the Ultimates, until they screwed everything up in Ultimates 3.

desanth

06-23-2008, 04:12 PM

Well I wouldn't mind UXM and UFF taking a trip really, the stories really haven't interested me in 2-3 years. Ultimates 3, well I think everyone can figure out my take on that; Ultimates 4 is supposed to be about the Defenders, which I think is probably great, just hope they change the title to better relate the storyline.

USM taking an impact? Well I guess if lots of people die, Peter will be busy, plus some of his friends might die(Johnny Storm, Liz Allen, come to mind). I can take that, Bendis does a good job and I have faith in his talents.

DeadXMan

06-23-2008, 04:24 PM

well if they had him destroy the 616 in the 90's why not the ult?
at least there consistent

spidervenom

06-23-2008, 04:34 PM

As long as ultimate spiderman is still around, let the other books die.

Mr. Earl Brooks

06-23-2008, 04:53 PM

I enjoy the Ultimate Universe, but I think as it was intended to be a universe that could really dramatically play with canon by re-arranging characters, it failed.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a great many Ultimate books, but I feel like alot of characters are basically the same as 616.

I can't help but wonder what potential a reboot could have.

Ultimate Spider-Man though... Please just let that last forever.

Michael P

06-23-2008, 04:57 PM

well if they had him destroy the 616 in the 90's why not the ult?
at least there consistent

The only Marvel books Loeb wrote in the '90s were Cable, X-Man and X-Force.

Mr.EZ

06-23-2008, 05:11 PM

Rumors suggest that it's not coming to an end. But yeah, a lot of folks will be dying. And one book will be cancelled, which is rumored to be Ultimate X-Men. Which after Kirkman, would basically be a Mercy Flush.

And why the hate Loeb? You don't even know him. And over a comic book?

It's not like it's only his idea. Others saw the potential and agreed with it. If the Ultimate Universe did end, it's fulfilled it's purpose and lasted longer than most people expected.

Rumors can suggest whatever they want. If the person who's being paid to draw it says it's the end, and he says it matter of factly, without a hint of showmanship, then yeah, it's ending.

I know how he writes, and how his thought processes work when it comes to writing. I've read his work and seen his films and was not entertained in the slightest. Do I hate him personally, probably not. But if he's anything like the work he creates, than he probably sucks just as much.

Jeph Loeb is a hack who gets pity work, and there's a lot more writers out there who can do better.

Superbeast

06-23-2008, 05:14 PM

well if they had him destroy the 616 in the 90's why not the ult?
at least there consistent

Sadly, you're right. Shame they don't see it that way. Looks like the Ultimate Universe is going the way of Heroes Reborn.

feel like alot of characters are basically the same as 616
They didn't use to be.

Dr. Chaos

06-23-2008, 05:15 PM

It sorta has outlived it's original intention.

And in all likelyhood, they'll probably simply reboot it or something.
I know I'm probably in the minority here again but that actually wouldn't bother me at all, kind of fits the mission statement of the UU but I might be abit bias though since I wasn't here for the begining of the universe.

I like the idea of large volumes of revised classic superheroes that have a clear idea of a beginning, middle and a end though I can see why it might piss off fans that have grown attached to this iteration of the Ultimate Universe.

RazorBats79

06-23-2008, 05:32 PM

Oh, please! Say it ain't so!

Xplicit Content

06-23-2008, 05:41 PM

Bendis said this was not true on his message board...he's plotting USM stories that occur well after Ultimatum is over.

Obsidian Thought

06-23-2008, 05:43 PM

I just think there doing a "spring cleaning" of the Ultimate Universe. I think there going to go for shock value and really try hard to state that this is a "universe where anything can happen."

I'm all for change as long as it's a change for the good. I hope some of the X-men survive because that's the only reason I'm particularly into the UU. If they really end the UU I'll be a little sad but I'll move on. I'll be more disgruntled than anything because they've been stating, along with all the doom and gloom, that the UU wasn't ending...

Jake V

06-23-2008, 05:47 PM

Finch doesn't know the difference between Piledriver and Jigsaw, so I doubt he has all the information he claims to have.

It's been pretty common knowledge that some of the Ultimate titles are ending after Ultimatum, but not all of them. They wouldn't sacrifice the longest running new comic series of the past 10 years for a Jeph Loeb story.

Alan2099

06-23-2008, 05:47 PM

The could do like they tried with the 2099 books and actually did with Spider-girl, end the lines and only have a single title going from there on out.

amharner

06-23-2008, 07:05 PM

I'm going to do something a little crazy here and try being positive.

Loeb claims that the whole point of Ultimatum is to organize the Ultimate line...to embrace the qualities that made it special in the first place.

Ultimate 3 was planned two years ago and couldn't be canned.

But Ultimates 4 was canned. And Ultimate Wolverine was canned.

What if Loeb had a talk with Bendis and, after canning his original projects, decided to sit down and write a story more in tune with the cynical, quasi-realistic ultimate universe we all love?

Maybe current season will be canned and books like UFF and UXM will reboot with a more defined mission statement.

Wouldn't that be swell?

ThePhenom

06-23-2008, 07:29 PM

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact we already know he's killing a bunch of characters, i.e. cheap plot device.

JackBurton01

06-23-2008, 07:32 PM

What I got from Finch's statement that Loeb is planning to kill off soo many Ult characters that the titles will no longer work in their current organization. I think we may be down to two books the Ultimates and Spiderman. Overall this may be a good thing, the current Ultimate universe is stagnating and becoming more and more like the 616 and not all of that is jeff loebs fault. By Killing 2/3 of the ultimate superpowered population you force writers to create new characters. Or at the very least we can see the universe go out with a bang.
That said I think the following characters will die: FF-Human Torch, Reed Richards; X-Men-Wolverine, Colossos, Professor X, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Beast, Pyro, Storm and Jean Grey; Ultimates-Thor, Wasp, Hank Prym.
Villians-Magneto, most of the brotherhood
And probably another ten or so I've missed

IronStarks

06-23-2008, 07:35 PM

Before this, i didnt like Jeph Loeb

now i hate him

bindlestitch

06-23-2008, 07:35 PM

If the Ultimate line goes , then I go from Marvel. It's the only thing I currently read from marvel except Migthy and New Avengers.

JackBurton01

06-23-2008, 07:53 PM

I say the Ultimate line had a great run and lets all go out Irish wake style! I want spectacular Death scenes! I want death scenes so over the top people will remember them. I want Legends of the fall Grisly Bear vs a guy with Bowie Knife. Gladiator fighting on after you are pretty muc dead. Porthos in the Iron mask killing 82 soldiers and then bringing down the the cavern on his head. Butch Cassidy and the Sudance Kid 100 soldiers at point blank range . Tom Horn telling the towns people to get bent. Glory. Gates of fire. Hell Custer Last Stand.
All I'm saying is I pray they don't go gentle.

CMBMOOL

06-23-2008, 08:09 PM

Aw man, it's the MC-2/Spider-girl event all over again. :frown:

amharner

06-23-2008, 08:23 PM

Dr. Chaos

06-23-2008, 10:14 PM

If Loeb can make Reed Richards die a horrible undignified death (preferably with Doom pissing on his corpse afterwards while screaming "VICTORY!"), I'll name my first born child after him.

That would be glorious.

In all seriousness, I don't think the UFF will survive Ultimatum, if they have to put one of the series down, this would probably be it. UXM can be salvaged but UFF will probably never gain anymore forward momentum than it currently has.

Froggy

06-23-2008, 10:24 PM

lazykarateguy

06-23-2008, 11:01 PM

Don't the Ultimate titles sell pretty well? I know a lot of high end talent goes into some of them, but don't they justify that with sales? Ending the line just seems like a bad idea. They never ended Marvel Knights, and do those titles even sell half as well as the Ultimate line.

I'm under the impression that these books sell fairly well (even pretty well) I don't think they'd axed an entire line to show how ballsy they are. Plus last I looked, Ultimate titles had no real problem out-selling or competing with major DC books (not Action or Detective, but B level books)

stillanerd

06-23-2008, 11:30 PM

Aw man, it's the MC-2/Spider-girl event all over again. :frown:

I was thinking EXACTLY that, in the sense that it looks like Ultimate Spider-Man may be virtually the only one left standing...and probably with only two more years of shelf life at least.

Still, if indeed this is confirmed, why am I not the least bit surprised? There have comments made others, including myself, that predicted that Marvel was going to phase out the Ultimate books in favor of their old 616, especially since the sales of the Ultimate books --which at one time were outselling their 616 counterparts--had declined and the fact that it's major selling point--that it was an updated universe unburdened by continuity--was no longer valid considering how it began to develop an interconnected continuity all of its own. Naturally, this was once thought of as nuts. Well, where are all those comments about how the Ultimate Universe is going to replace the 616 universe?

Fact is, the Ultimate books have essentially served their purpose: to bolster newfound interest in Marvel characters that were once caught in severe stagnation. Once Quesada (who I read somewhere was originally not all that keen on Ultimate Marvel anyway and that it was more Bill Jemas' brainchild anyway) started investing more talent into the main 616 titles, then people started getting emotionally invested in the "real" Marvel universe again, as they really always had been. Course it helps that Marvel's 616 titles "adopted" the Ultimate titles spirit in some cases. Civil War essentially was the final step in "Ultimizing" all the Avengers and Marvel Heroes titles, and one could even argue that the whole One More Day/Brand New Day fiasco over in Spider-Man made Amazing Spider-Man into an Ultimate Spider-Man lite.

Prime24

06-24-2008, 01:29 AM

Ultimate fantastic four is probably going to get cancelled and i'm sure a lot of the ultimate x-men characters will die. Spider-man and the ultimates will remain.

Splatt

06-24-2008, 02:07 AM

Well, there goes the neighbourhood.

Nick MB

06-24-2008, 03:22 AM

Another vote for the "Who cares as long as USM survives" view.

Nick MB

06-24-2008, 04:16 AM

Bad form to post after myself, but here's Bendis on the USM situation:
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=4849186#post4849186

USM IS NOT CANCELLED!!!

it is one of the largest selling trade series on the planet.

i have already written past ultimatuum.

bbmakdaddycomics

06-24-2008, 05:06 AM

i just watched it again LOOK AT THT DUDES MUSTACHE LOL I laughed sooooo hard at it.

desanth

06-24-2008, 05:13 AM

I do agree that in recent times, UXM, UFF and Ultimates have become too 616(especially Ultimates, but this was Loeb's fault completely). Well I hope that the deaths are good.

Like Richards can go out saying "My god, Ben's condition really is irreversible!" before getting the back of his head blown apart. Johnny Storm should be shot into space where with no air to burn, he uses the last of his power to destroy some bad guy and freezes, floating away dead.

Nightcrawler should die from AIDS that he got; he was secretly gay in the Morlock tunnels and that's why he forgave Colossus. Colossus can finally OD on Banshee while taking an extreme amount in order to defeat some bad guy. Cyclops can have gone powercrazy from Banshee and becomes a villain, taking over the Brotherhood after Magneto dies. Beast can be crushed by a sentinel again, except this time its by the sentinel's foot and we see a squishy red stain and matter left behind.

In Ultimates, Thor doesn't have to die, but after Ultimatum, he can say he came here to do what he did and that the world survived due to his meddling, leaving for Asgard. Cap can finally lose more of his powers so that he has to retire and takes up a high SHIELD position instead. Hawkeye finally gets his deathwish, he gets a bullet in the head, ironically where the bullseye is on his forehead. Iron Man's cancer finally catches up to him and he dies slowly, too weak to wear the armor anymore he quits.

bookguy

06-24-2008, 05:24 AM

Let's really be honest.

It was Damon Lindenoff who killed the Ultimate Universe by not finishing the Ult. Hulk vs. Ult. Wolverine in the first place.

That was the death knell of the Ultimate Universe. :evilsmile:

ThisMortalSoil

06-24-2008, 06:04 AM

I hope they don't 'wipe out' the X-Men entirely, I don't mind some deaths, but I'd rather they restructure it into a smaller team. Though I can't say who I would like to see on it, one thing for sure is that they better not kill Hank again

Marcus_Maximus

06-24-2008, 06:17 AM

Well, looks like Loeb is going to destroy some more titles. Wait. Now, its an entire universe. When does it stop??????

NormanB

06-24-2008, 09:39 AM

I heard on the internet that they're going to blow up Ultimate Pittsburgh!

Cthulhudrew

06-24-2008, 11:10 AM

Finch sounded like he wasn't being entirely sincere in that interview, to me. Like he was having fun joking along with the rumors.

So we'll see, I guess.

Oblivion87

06-24-2008, 12:00 PM

I just hope the Ultimate Universe gets a good reboot, if USM is still going to be around then I doubt they'll completely end the UM line, maybe now they'll focus more on one shots and mini-series. Kind of like the Ultimates are done, I also wouldn't be surprised if they combine the Ultimate Marvel universe with the Supremeverse somehow.

DeadXMan

06-24-2008, 12:54 PM

Well, looks like Loeb is going to destroy some more titles. Wait. Now, its an entire universe. When does it stop??????

until all are one under Loeb

He loves you.....

amharner

06-24-2008, 03:08 PM

Deaths aside...I'm willing to bet that after Ultimatum, Spiderman remains an ongoing while The Ultimates, FF4, and X-Men end up being published as occasional minis.

And I think that people are over reacting.

BizarroBeachHead

06-24-2008, 06:03 PM

Marcus_Maximus

06-25-2008, 12:06 PM

Alan2099

06-25-2008, 12:18 PM

I blame all of this on Joe Quesada.
He does seem to the the popular guy to blame things on latley.

Still, I belive a lot of what people liked about the Ultimate Titles was more from the creative teams behind the books and less about the books and characters themselves. Once the team moves on to others things, it's not like you can get another group to do it the exact same way.

Marcus_Maximus

06-25-2008, 01:09 PM

He does seem to the the popular guy to blame things on latley.

Still, I belive a lot of what people liked about the Ultimate Titles was more from the creative teams behind the books and less about the books and characters themselves. Once the team moves on to others things, it's not like you can get another group to do it the exact same way.

You can at least keep the flavor of the title. The art is in left field and the story is lame...wait, what was the story about again? The issue #3 came out in February.

Venom Melendez

06-25-2008, 01:12 PM

Loeb sucks/

I blame all of this on Joe Quesada.

How is it his fault?

It's Loeabs.

Marcus_Maximus

06-25-2008, 01:13 PM

How is it his fault?

It's Loeabs.

After BND/OMD, I blame everything on the EiC.

Alan2099

06-26-2008, 05:58 AM

After BND/OMD, I blame everything on the EiC.

Ah, one of those guys.

Marcus_Maximus

06-26-2008, 06:03 AM

Yes, Joephisto killed Spiderman and now he's after the rest of the Marvel universe.

LawGiver

06-26-2008, 07:15 AM

After BND/OMD, I blame everything on the EiC.

That's like blaming your parents for everything you say, well on second thought...

ultimate hulk

07-05-2008, 10:16 AM

David Finch revealed on Comic Book Syndicate-Ep28 that in "Ultimatum" the Ultimate Universe is coming to an end, and they'll be killing a great number of characters, and even he doesn't understand how they're getting away with it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BH7FGnDEyfk

Wow. I thought my hate of Loeb couldn't get any greater, but he's topped himself.

bah! they're goin to kill off a lot of characters eh?
don't worry,they will bring them back sometime in the future.

i had stayed away from this forum for awhile,and had intended to stay away for at least a few years.
but the reading bug had bitten me,so i decided to pass by the comic shop and pick something up.

anyway,i saw ultimates 4 on the shelf and decided to browse through and c what the heck our ole friend loeb was up to.
this is the first time i have seen the ultimate juggernaut.i have to say he looked pretty cool,especially with the red eye visior.that's pretty much the only thing they have going for the book.
and then i saw hulk 4 and browse through that also,and that was then i decided i really hated marvel.
so,i just got myself one of those stewie enegry drink from the comic shop,instead :biggrin:

DeadXMan

07-05-2008, 10:23 AM

most of Ult verse deserves the sweet release of death and you damn well know it.

ultimate hulk

07-05-2008, 10:26 AM

they probably do.but what will marvel do when they run out characters to kill?

DeadXMan

07-05-2008, 10:32 AM

use the freed up space to publish more 616 books

Splatt

07-05-2008, 12:06 PM

most of Ult verse deserves the sweet release of death and you damn well know it.

use the freed up space to publish more 616 books

http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/Ani/SarcasmMeter2.gif

DeadXMan

07-05-2008, 10:29 PM

when I heard Loeb will end that gen y ADD thing they called a comic line I was like this

http://www.neptoonstudios.com/Camp/BLOG/OW_ND3.gif

minus a hundred pounds and a censor bar

carabas

07-05-2008, 11:43 PM

when I heard Loeb will end that gen y ADD thing...Loeb personifies GenY ADD.

egervari

07-06-2008, 01:37 AM

As long as ultimate spiderman is still around, let the other books die.

I'm of the same opinion. I love Ultimate Spider-man. Bendis should continue to write for it, only so he can beat Claremont for the longest run (i dunno if it's just marvel or all comics, but bendis is pretty close all considering :smile: )

I don't care about Ultimate X-Men. The book sucks now. Bendis was amazing on it... especially his last arc "New Mutants". I have to say Brian K. Vaughan was really good too most of the time, and he respected Bendis' continuity too. After that... well... it's a pretty bad book.

I don't like Mark Millar much, so I didn't like Ultimates or his original X-Men issues. Bendis saved the book in my opinion.

I haven't read anything else from the Ultimate universe. Can't comment.

DeadXMan

07-06-2008, 07:48 AM

Loeb personifies GenY ADD.

no he personifies Gen X's need for action, violant entertainment and sexy women.

carabas

07-06-2008, 10:29 AM

I think he bridges two generations in Ultimates 3.

DeadXMan

07-06-2008, 11:27 AM

No, The ults aren't as whinny so it more geared to us Xer's.

Marcus_Maximus

07-06-2008, 11:57 AM

The Ultimates was a good run. Millar did great on it, especially in the first run where the Hulk went on a rampage in issue #5. Now, the Ultimates are just trash and Loeb ashould kill the Ultimate universe since he ruined the Ultimates anyway.

Shade 20x6

07-06-2008, 11:57 AM

use the freed up space to publish more 616 books

Like BND? No thanks. :rolleyes:

DeadXMan

07-06-2008, 12:00 PM

no the cancellation of Spider-girl will do that.:evilsmile:

Shade 20x6

07-06-2008, 12:03 PM

no the cancellation of Spider-girl will do that.:evilsmile:

Proving once again that popular does not necessarily = good. Not that ASM is all that popular these days, what with declining sales and all.

Both Ultimate SM and Amazing SG are leagues better than ASM these days. And I read all three, so that's coming from an informed opinion.

DeadXMan

07-06-2008, 12:09 PM

yes selling 200,000 + units of a book is such a bad sign
and a drop of 200 from the last number posted is a sign of Doom.

take you spider hatered where it belongs

Marcus_Maximus

07-06-2008, 12:10 PM

Amazing Spidergirl is good? I never read it.

TremorDeth

07-16-2008, 07:21 AM

Thought he did that with Ultimates 3.....

yeah I said it...

jmc247

08-13-2008, 06:10 PM

Loeb said that Havok would play a role in Ultimatum. I hope he does the character justice and includes Polaris in Ultimatum as well. Ultimate Lorna has been about as interesting as paint on the wall, I would like the see that change. The only two characters she has had real interaction with in the Ultimate universe will play a role in Ultimatum and one of them will have a central role. Leaving her off in limbo for this would be a mistake.

Omega Alpha

08-13-2008, 08:57 PM

Havok most likely will be cannon fodder if he shows up. Minor characters don't become stars of crossovers all the sudden, specially if someone lile Loeb is writing

ThePhenom

08-14-2008, 02:03 AM

Minor characters don't become stars [...] all the sudden, specially if someone lile Loeb is writing

Ahem. Valkyrie :wink: .

carabas

08-14-2008, 02:22 AM

She's not a star, she's Thor's groupie.

Ramirez IV

08-14-2008, 02:46 AM

After reading the first couple of posts about death on this thread, the thought occured to me about just how angry and upset I will be if Loeb kills for cheap thrills. Aside from the crapola-cardboard-cutout mentality of Kirkman's run, I really and truly found myself caring about all the main characters of the Ultimate universe, particulary those in Ultimate Spider Man.

It seems as though Ultimatum won't be taking too many of them down, but think for a minute about the others. Reed's messed up a bit in the past, Cyclops can be kind of annoying sometimes... but damn, if any of these bite the bullet for the sake of sales, I'll be mighty annoyed. I know this has been going on since the beginning of time, but I'm whinging again because it's probably going to happen to the first universe I was with from the start, and the one I care most about. Mainly thanks to one attention grabbing writer.

Joe Prevost

08-14-2008, 07:55 AM

What so wrong with Jeph Loeb?I mean comon' there's more hate here then a chan board!

I really think I stand alone when I say I enjoy his work-not all of it but he did have his fair share of hits in my book.

hunter_peterson

08-15-2008, 11:14 PM

Leob should stick to Batman.

Ultimate Power started off good then got mediocre then shit...

carabas

08-16-2008, 02:12 AM

Leob should stick to Batman.Eh, no. His last stint on Batman (Hush) was no better than Ultimates 3 when it came to respecting established personalities and continuity.

Gloom Cookie

08-16-2008, 06:58 AM

Amazing Spidergirl is good? I never read it.

Yes, it is.

Johnny_Luck

08-16-2008, 04:39 PM

Eh, no. His last stint on Batman (Hush) was no better than Ultimates 3 when it came to respecting established personalities and continuity.

Hush was still one of the most entertaining books of Batman I have ever read, and honestly I didn't think the original or even the brief return with Mr L. was too far off with how I read most of those character portrayed before and since then. It came much more across like editorial didn't have an idea of how long they wanted this to continue and just set it up to continue and dropped it, not his fault.

Leob should stick to Batman.

Ultimate Power started off good then got mediocre then shit...

Oh please as much as I wanted to like Ultimate Power, nothing happen at all in the first 6 of 9 issues and not much else happened after that either. No one was really likable and overall the only reason to buy the book was Land being awesome as norm.

Johnny_Luck

08-16-2008, 04:44 PM

Both Ultimate SM and Amazing SG are leagues better than ASM these days. And I read all three, so that's coming from an informed opinion.

I really don't get the love USM gets like at all. so its funny big whoop. Having him date kitty a loser beyond how low Peter is and overly annoying at that, and then destroying some really great villains by changing everything about them that made them cool. It had the fun peter should have but with everything else around him being a complete mess.

Honestly I have not read a great spider-man book since Sensational got canceled and until something as great as that book comes along again I won't try to read a Spidey title with how bad the current ones are.

The least Marvel could do would be to come out with a Puma and Black Cat book to continue those two being great fun together.

In all seriousness, I don't think the UFF will survive Ultimatum, if they have to put one of the series down, this would probably be it. UXM can be salvaged but UFF will probably never gain anymore forward momentum than it currently has.

UFF is the only Ultimate book that needs to be, deserves to be saved. it is greatness, since day 1. You have always had amazing art. The stories are fun, the characters are entertaining and honestly its been a lot better than the normal FF book for a long friggin time.

carabas

08-16-2008, 05:03 PM

Hush was still one of the most entertaining books of Batman I have ever read, and honestly I didn't think the original or even the brief return with Mr L. was too far off with how I read most of those character portrayed before and since then. It came much more across like editorial didn't have an idea of how long they wanted this to continue and just set it up to continue and dropped it, not his fault.Loeb's portrayal of Batman completely reversed the effects of Brubaker/Rucka's two-year long epic immediately preceding it.

Johnny_Luck

08-16-2008, 05:46 PM

Loeb's portrayal of Batman completely reversed the effects of Brubaker/Rucka's two-year long epic immediately preceding it.

So Hard fighting, good detective work batman is a bad thing? Cause honestly thats what I saw in Hush.

Gloom Cookie

08-16-2008, 07:12 PM

I really don't get the love USM gets like at all.

It's called a difference of opinion. Apparently, many disagree with your assessment.

ThePhenom

08-16-2008, 07:22 PM

I really don't get the love USM gets like at all.

I felt like this the first time around when I read them, then started reading the Immonen stuff and was willing to go back and reread it all happily.

It's rather strange.

xarathos

08-16-2008, 07:26 PM

It's called a difference of opinion. Apparently, many disagree with your assessment.

Well, if you've read AMazing in the last couple years and compare it to the couple issues of Ultimate Spider-man, I can see how it's a positive for the book. :frown: Whose idea was the unmasking? ... and whose idea was to not make it the big story?

Gloom Cookie

08-16-2008, 07:36 PM

I think USM has been equal in terms of quality with the core Spider-Man books the last couple years. At least, I did before the BND retcon. Now I find it to be the superior Spider-Man title.

Johnny_Luck

08-16-2008, 11:10 PM

It's called a difference of opinion. Apparently, many disagree with your assessment.

Yet no one has actually given any reasons to back it up. Which is why I don't get it, you really had no reason to try and be rude here.

Gloom Cookie

08-17-2008, 06:34 AM

I wasn't being rude, I was giving a straightforward answer to your query.
Why would one need to back up their opinion? It as, after all, their opinion and will always be different from anothers no matter how they explain it. One's likes and dislikes don't need to be explained, nor can they always be.

rwsmith

08-17-2008, 06:48 AM

There are four main Ultimate titles now, and there will be four after Ultimatum. My guess is that UXM and UFF will both get cancelled and relaunched as something else, with Millar writing one of these new books and (allegedly) Paul Jenkins writing the other. Good news IMO.

USM will remain untouched (with Bendis and Immomen still onboard) and Loeb is doing Ultimates 3.5 with Frank Cho.

chronicboredom

08-17-2008, 10:31 AM

UXM won't be cancelled.

rwsmith

08-17-2008, 02:04 PM

What makes you say that? All indications are that both it and UFF will be cancelled and will be replaced with something else.

Pedrocas

08-17-2008, 03:26 PM

I so loved the unmasking story, it could spawn several years long awesome story arcs.

HaroldAllnut

08-17-2008, 07:28 PM

USM will remain untouched (with Bendis and Immomen still onboard) and Loeb is doing Ultimates 3.5 with Frank Cho.

3.5? What the hell do they mean 3.5? What's wrong with whole numbers?

Black Vespa

08-17-2008, 07:30 PM

and you don't think for a moment that ultimate editors or even chief editor had anything to do with any of that?

David Finch revealed on Comic Book Syndicate-Ep28 that in "Ultimatum" the Ultimate Universe is coming to an end, and they'll be killing a great number of characters, and even he doesn't understand how they're getting away with it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BH7FGnDEyfk

Wow. I thought my hate of Loeb couldn't get any greater, but he's topped himself.

Frank

08-21-2008, 01:52 AM

So Hard fighting, good detective work batman is a bad thing? Cause honestly thats what I saw in Hush.

Good detective work on Hush? lol

jmc247

08-21-2008, 09:09 AM

Havok most likely will be cannon fodder if he shows up. Minor characters don't become stars of crossovers all the sudden, specially if someone lile Loeb is writing

Yes, but he and Lorna could get a more significant storyline over in the Ultimate X-Men, this is supposed to be an crossover of just about all the Ultimate books, with Ultimatum being at its core.

metr0man

08-21-2008, 10:23 AM

I'm sorry, has everybody become a bunch of retards?

If the Ultimate Universe is going to be "killed off" it's because MARVEL, ie Joe Queseda, editors, etc etc decided to do it.

ONE writer cannot just say "I'm going to end this entire line of books that includes books I'm not even writing" and do this.

Why are people bashing Loeb for this? Are you stupid? I mean, yeah okay his Ultimates sucks donkey poo, but i repeat, he cannot end the Ultimate LIne. If this happens, and you're mad, be mad at Joey Queseda or Buckley or whoever the bigwigs who decide this are.

carabas

08-21-2008, 12:22 PM

Eh. Loeb already has killed the Ultimate Universe as far as I'm concerned.
U Spidey is still good, UFF still has a few issues before the Heroes writer takes over, but the Ultimate Universe the way it existed when Bendis, Millar and ellis were running it, that's deader than the dodo.
The line's flagship doesn't even slightly resemble an Ultimate Universe book anymore, both in style and content.