Let's talk about Vixen

[Kage Kisaragi]

Okay, so it's no surprise Vixen has become some what of a favorite for me lately. It actually started with the launch of the new JLA title, and has only cumulated since. The thing is, with this new copy/draining peoples power thing. I just wanted to express that I think it should stop, and stop soon. It's a new trick and all, and if I felt that the writers or future writers would just leave it as her copy someone elses abilities indefinitely while maintaining her original ones then I'd be fine with that.. I guess you could think of it as a Rogue effect. Back with Rogue had Ms Marvel's powers she was in my opinion complete. Not because she had the awesome powers of Ms Marvel but because she had the extra bagged that came with them, she took it upon herself to use those powers responsibily, and not to mention it was conflict of having nearly killed someone in the process of getting them. (I would have prefered she did kill Carol and just have to deal with the psychic conflicts in her head.) It added a sense of drama and character to her, it definitely was the hugest milestone in the characters life, and for that Rogue was a awesome character then. However after she lost those powers, she lost that same conflict, that same drama and that some sense of character, she lost that something that made her special (this is entirely my opinion though.) They tried to give her other set backs in the form of other minds with hers, and other temporary powers but none of it rekindled that same feeling because in truth there was nothing wrong with how she was originally in the first place.

I feel the same could happen to Mari, and thats why I explained the whole Rogue thing from my prospective. Mari could stand to have some conflict, romance, and all that jive, but I don't think it should come at the expense of something like, "her powers cause problems for her teammates." I don't mind per say her abilities getting stronger, or she finds a whole new zoo of never before seen animals that have kooky abilities that she can copy, but where it looks like this is heading for her now seems wrong. I don't dislike the current story, I'm just worried that a character that I've come to like will end up pulling a Rogue and of course like Rogue end up swan diving into meaninglessness.

Anyway thats it.

[LordAllMighty]

I understand what your saying and while I like that her abilities have expaned, I personally do not like the leeching effect.

IMHO, her abilitiy to mimic the powers of humans/aliens should be a nature thing without side effect. Seeing that humans are animals, Vixen and Animal Man should have been able to mimic human/superhuman/alien abilities years ago.

I do agree there should be a logical limit to her copying superhuman abilties.

Here hoping Dwyane allows her to keep her new and old abilties

[princesa]

Vixen (like most DC heroes) I like because of the DCAU JLU series. I have to say I like the Rogue effect. Her original powers were cool as well so I'm good either way.

[MythicBrawn]

Fix her ability to copy animal powers and get rid of the "humans are animals" too angle. It seemed hacky when it was introduced. If that was the case, it would seem she would have discovered it sooner.

[Ungenesis]

I say just bump her from the league and put Animal Man in her place.

Then have Morrison write it. Boo-ya.

[Spiffy]

I say just bump her from the league and put Animal Man in her place.

Then have Morrison write it. Boo-ya.
But... she's got a better rack than Animal Man! :eek:

[Kage Kisaragi]

Shes easier on the eyes all around, unless you think Animal has a cuter and has a better butt. :tongue: Oh last minute, I don't know what Bronze Tiger and Mari had in the past, but it was kind of cute seeing them together like that in the last issue. *squishy*

[LordAllMighty]

Fix her ability to copy animal powers and get rid of the "humans are animals" too angle. It seemed hacky when it was introduced. If that was the case, it would seem she would have discovered it sooner.

It's to late now, the cat is out of the bag.

But... she's got a better rack than Animal Man! :eek:

and that always get a 150 points from me.:biggrin:

[MythicBrawn]

It's to late now, the cat is out of the bag.


It can be fixed. DC simply has to do a hacky/reverse-hack on the humans are animals too. All her issues can be attributed to the malfunction of the totem. Change the parameters on how it works and voila, problem solved.

[Fatguy]

She's ok, but she's no Animal Man.

[Grazzt]

It can be fixed. DC simply has to do a hacky/reverse-hack on the humans are animals too. All her issues can be attributed to the malfunction of the totem. Change the parameters on how it works and voila, problem solved.

Take a page from Marvel: Snowbird's shapeshifting is specifically limited to those creatures that are native to Canada. Why not limit Vixen to the powers of African animals? It still gives you a lot of abilities (elephant weight, cheetah speed, spider climbing, etc.), but a limitation that prevents her from overpowering the rest of the league. And if you need to give her a power up, just have some sort of monster come from Africa, giving her the ability to duplicate it, too.

[Jack]

She's ok, but she's no Animal Man.
Which is why when she got power copying it was the first time I became even slightly interested in her. At least as portrayed in JLA.

[titanfan]

I actually like her power copying ability. It's a unique ability in the DCU.

However, I think the writers might be confused. The implication is that her powers have something to do with Amazo--Amazo doesn't leech, he just copies. It's Parasite that does the leech thing.

I hope she does keep the power copying thing, it's a useful power to have, especially against other metahuman villains.

[LordAllMighty]

It can be fixed. DC simply has to do a hacky/reverse-hack on the humans are animals too.

They would have to change almost 20 years of stories to do that.

All her issues can be attributed to the malfunction of the totem. Change the parameters on how it works and voila, problem solved.

That could have worked if Vixen powers actually came from Tantu totem. According to JLA #5, Vixen's powers are innate and have been with her since childhood. From what I can gather the totem only enhances her natural abilities.

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[The Cool Thatguy]

Actually, the totem acts as a focal point for Vixen. Like Animal Man, she has a connection to The Red, but needs it channeled through something.

I wish they'd go back to her animal powers. 'Humans and aliens are animals too' is too broad to be terribly interesting. They ought to limit it to earth animals only. JLU Vixen was plenty powerful and useful with just her traditional powers.

Besides, does anyone remember Infinate Crisis and 52 where Buddy just happens to have the powers of some over the top animal that happens to be near by? He shot lightning with one and opened a freakin' star gate! with another. Lazy writing, IMO.

[LordAllMighty]

Here the way I see it. If they can create a universe, then reaching across space to gain ligthning powers, is not that big of a deal.

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[Kage Kisaragi]

Thats ... uh.. profound.

[MythicBrawn]

I see her problems as DC trying to do a power loss story and screwing it up. Granted, I hate power loss stories so I may be biased. This can be fixed and the limitations of her powers can be clearly and concretely stated. First limitation is no duplication of human abilities because humans are animals too. Another could be she can't duplicate insects or arachnids. Although, I'm not sure if those two are included in her abilities. Regardless of the outcome, she needs to have some limitations or she starts to become like Superman. After a while, Superman could do anything as long as you slapped a super before it, i.e. super-ventriloquism or super-hypnosis.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Actually, she has used spider powers before im sure. At least I'm semi sure I saw her make mention of it, I know she used house fly powers once... I think..I forget the reason, but in one of her bio's (taken from a website I think) they did make mention she could make toxins, and insects are more likely to do stuff like that... or she could have been duplicating a snakes venom.. if she can duplicate insect powers, then the ants ability to lift 50x its body weight would make her pretty strong. she'd be lifting over several tons easy. No Superman strength but she'd be pretty strong considering shed be lifting it with little to no effort... what would be cool is if Mari used multiple animal powers at once. I'm not sure if she can do this, but it'd be awesome. Ant Strength, with Flea leaping ability, and house fly reflexes with Peregrine Falcon flight speed, maybe allow mari to convert certain animal abilities into other aspects. Like taking the ants 10 to 50x strength to 10-50x speed, or durability? maybe in fuse certain abilities like the ants 50x strength to a Peregrine Falcon speed to create 50x the speed of a Peregrine Falcon.. according to this site that'd be like 10,000 miles per hour.

[Lupek]

I don't know what Bronze Tiger and Mari had in the past, but it was kind of cute seeing them together like that in the last issue. *squishy*

I only know the character from the JLU tv show but i dig her and I will check out her upcoming mini series.

I haven't read, whatever issue you are talking about but I like the idea of a Bronze Tiger/Vixen relationship. Does anyone know if this is a new development or do they have history?

[princesa]

I like her Roque-like abilities and her getting a little storyline.

[Ilash]

I liked her very much in the JLU show but I find the portrayal of her character in Justice League of America to be boring beyond words.

But then, considering how much time seems to have been spent on characterization in the current book in comparison to Morrison's run on JLA, its amazing how much more fleshed out and well drawn the characters were in Morrison's epic take of the League. The stuff that he did with Kyle Rayner and Connor Hawke alone far outweighs anything that Meltzer or McDuffie have done with the characters in this incarnation of the JLA.

Come to think of it, McDuffie's characterization of these characters was far, far stronger in the Justice League (Unlimited) cartoon show as well.

[CBikle]

I see her problems as DC trying to do a power loss story and screwing it up.

This subplot was the only part of Meltzer's run that annoyed me.

I'm wondering if the plot wasn't editorially-mandated so as to play into Final Crisis and maybe tie into the Great Disaster somehow, because of the whole evolved animals thing from the Kamandi stories.

[LordAllMighty]

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VIXEN: RETURN OF THE LION #1
Written by G. Willow Wilson
Art by Cafu
Cover by Josh Middleton

On a mission against the mega-mobsters of Intergang, the Justice League makes a stunning discovery revealing the truth behind the death of Vixen’s mother. Long ago, poachers were fingered in her murder, but stunning proof arrives exposing the identity of her real killer! And the man responsible is still alive, making a vicious play for power in the homeland Vixen left years ago.
This groundbreaking 5-issue miniseries by rising stars G. Willow Wilson (OUTSIDERS: AQUAMAN/METAMORPHO, CAIRO, AIR) and Cafu (Black Panther) plunges the League’s animal-powered warrior into a deeply spiritual, but instantly deadly, quest for vengeance – and draws the League itself into the newest chapter of Intergang’s ever-expanding race for domination.

On sale october 1 • 1 of 5 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

[princesa]

My idea of Vixen comes from JLU just as someone mentioned earlier. (That goes from John Stewart as well as far as that goes).

[chemicalx]

I was first introduced to Vixen in Birds of Prey and have been in love with her ever since. She is quickly becoming one of my favorite DC women. I cant wait for her mini

[Shellhead]

Not only does Vixen now copy abilities from humans, she copies them from characters owned by other comic book companies. Not that she's the first by any means.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I just wanted to say that she doesn't seem to be copying so much as shes actually taking peoples powers and making them weaker in the process as was brought up in one of the other issues. However I suspect by the end of this up coming issue this will no longer be a factor as apparently they are trying to remedy this. Though to be honest I'm not 100% sure I recall any instances where her power taking caused anyone to perform any worse than they could have. I mean even when she races Jay and supposedly won. (It didn't seem that way to me when I read the comic) he was still running pretty fast and didn't seem like he was tired or having problems what so ever. How can people be losing their powers around her and not be taking not of it. Red Arrow wasn't shooting any more sloppy than he would had she not been around him, and when she was shooting Arrows himself he didn't seem like he felt any particular drain or less skilled than normal.

Did Batman's deductive reasoning become any less sharp? Was she solving the mystery of where she lost her car keys for the next several days without trouble? I'm just saying some of this seemed kind of unnecessary. While I don't disagree with Dinah decision to outst Mari until her powers are back under control, I do think that it might have been kind of early for that bold move.

[LordAllMighty]

This draining the powers of others is totally Dwayne McDuffie idea.

I actually think Brad was going the other way when he was writing the JLA

[princesa]

I was first introduced to Vixen in Birds of Prey and have been in love with her ever since. She is quickly becoming one of my favorite DC women. I cant wait for her mini

I loved her in Birds and I happened to get that arc around the time she was on JLU. Before Gail left BOP I wished she had her and Canary rather than the League.

[The Cool Thatguy]

This draining the powers of others is totally Dwayne McDuffie idea.

I actually think Brad was going the other way when he was writing the JLA

Who knows where he was going? It took him how many issues to reveal that Vixen's powers had changed?

Personally, I didn't like her rational for keeping her loss a secret. Besides the fact that Vixen is smarter than that, more than almost anyone else, she doesn't need to be a heroine or have her powers.

She was a very successful model and owned her own fashion house. She's a celeb and probably is worth millions. She's got no mental scarring ala Batman to keep being a heroine, she's just a moral woman with the power to fight crime. If any heroine can have a rich and fulfiling life without their powers, it's Vixen.

[sabongero]

A Vixen mini-series will not really do well. She doesn't have a big fan base. Although if written well, I would pick it up.

What Vixen needs is to be in a place where she is showcased not only as sacrificial flesh for another characters boner, or just action superstar...she needs to be showcased as a character, as a person. This way her fan base can grow because they can empathize with her as a person.

Her brief stint on Birds of Prey was handled well. Perhaps she should occassionally be placed on that title, and develop slowly but surely on that title. There's just too may big time characters in the JLoA to develop Vixen, even a little.

I mean look at how JLoA has utilized the character of Black Canary right ?

[Kage Kisaragi]

Now that black canary is mostly on the JLA, and Batgirl is with the Outsiders (I thought it was exclusively so that bruce could watch her.), Oracle could probably use some help. I would definitely start reading BOP if Vixen joined up with Huntress and whoever else Oracle has.

[pitbull in a skirt]

I say just bump her from the league and put Animal Man in her place.

Then have Morrison write it. Boo-ya.

Nobody says Boo-ya anymore :mad: :rolleyes:

[Hypestyle]

...I want a Vixen swimsuit issue..


and the mini-series can't come out soon enough.. make sure it has lots of fighting in it..