Catwoman #80 (spoilers)

[AlistairCrane]

The character who dies in this issue is the Repro character who's appeared in the last couple of issues, shot dead by the lame-o Thief character. Oh, and the Thief is some random doofus who's never appeared before. Catwoman kicks the ever-living crap out of him and then sics the police on him, stating no amateur messes with her and gets away with it.

All in all, this was a pretty lame resolution to a lame subplot. There was potential here--the Thief could've been her archnemesis Kai, a.k.a. Hellhound (the original one who seemingly died in BATMAN: THE 12-CENT ADVENTURE). Instead, it was a random nobody, and it irks me to no end that her final big bad is a dud. This subplot would've worked better had the series not been cancelled. After building this up last fall, the resolution was a big let down.

I still can't believe DC is cancelling this book. If anything, the book just needs a new creative team. DAMN DIDIO for taking Selina away from us!!!

[jeangreydp]

I really enjoyed this issue. I understand on one hand that it is kind of anti-climactic to have her mysterious nemesis be a 'nobody', but on the other it does open up a new villain to use in the future. I also wonder if perhaps this storyline was supposed to go in another direction, but couldn't fully develop because of the cancellation.

I was a bit frustrated that we never found out his motive, beyond the obvious of wanting to be the master thief.

The problem for me is that this book is ending. How disappointing. Catwoman is incredible and her book is beyond belief!! WHY cancel this? Does anyone know if Selina will be appearing in another series after Catwoman's conclusion?

Even so, it would be little consolation because her supporting cast is fantastic and they will probably end up in limbo :(

[AlistairCrane]

Catwoman appeared briefly in this month's Detective Comics and will appear at least through July-September.

Selina's supporting cast hasn't appeared in over a year for the most part..Holly moved on to bigger (although not necessarily better) things in Countdown, Karon is long gone and never had much of a role anyway, and Slam is probably going to bite the dust soon.

[jeangreydp]

Catwoman appeared briefly in this month's Detective Comics and will appear at least through July-September.

Selina's supporting cast hasn't appeared in over a year for the most part..Holly moved on to bigger (although not necessarily better) things in Countdown, Karon is long gone and never had much of a role anyway, and Slam is probably going to bite the dust soon.

lol good point about the cast. I really would like to keep Slam around somehow. I read the issue of Batman and Selina's appearance was great, but I feel like I need more.

Balls.

[AlistairCrane]

She's solicited for the next three issue of Detective so I assume she'll be around for the entire 5-part "Return of Hush" story beginning next issue. At least we know Selina should be safe in Paul Dini's hands!

[Agent_Torpor]

What really got my goat was the piece in DC Nation about Adam Hughes' new poster featuring the women of DC in evening wear.

Apparently, Didio didn't want Selina in the poster because he thought fans were sick of seeing her and she needed some time off. Yeah, like fans were (are) clamoring for that green chick that did make the cut. God help me if I even know her name? Jade?

Good hell, the man is a MORON. Glad Hughes told him to stick it and included Selina in there anyway.

Anyway, not sure why that piece ever saw the light of day in DC Nation. It just confirmed how out of of touch the editor in chief is in regards to the fanbase needs and wants. You'd think he'd be more busy trying to make sure the continuity gaffes leading up to Final Crisis aren't, well, major fiascos.

[AlistairCrane]

Apparently, Didio didn't want Selina in the poster because he thought fans were sick of seeing her and she needed some time off. Yeah, like fans were (are) clamoring for that green chick that did make the cut. God help me if I even know her name? Jade?


Do you mean Poison Ivy? Anyway, I agree with you on all points. What really pissed me off is that they had this column the week it would appear in Catwoman. UGH!

[Agent_Torpor]

Do you mean Poison Ivy? Anyway, I agree with you on all points. What really pissed me off is that they had this column the week it would appear in Catwoman. UGH!

That's poison ivy? No idea she had green skin! LOL!

[AlistairCrane]

That's poison ivy? No idea she had green skin! LOL!

Haha, her green skin is actually the result of an encounter she had with Catwoman during the Cataclysm crossover about 10 years ago.

[Schornforce]

I'm also rather peeved that they're cancelling Catwoman.

I buy several DC comics, but Countdown's made me very wary of some. Still, I buy for the characters and such, but I find it very telling that Catwoman-- a different book with a compelling and interesting lead character who's become much more well-rounded (no pun intended) and intruiging in her latest series gets the axe while drek that fans and creators ignore gets pumped out by the loadful.

Ugh.

I also found the DC Nation to be horrid too. DiDio doesn't have a clue which seems to be the topic of the day, but man, in that column, they seemed proud of that.


Back on topic, I'm glad Catwoman got her comeuppance and also thought this guy might be getting set up to be a future villain.

*sigh* guess we'll never know now.

I would've liked to see Prometheus enter a Catwoman story-- perhaps under some other guise and do what this guy tried to do to her. He does have a reason for vengeance and if written right, he is tactical enough to do damage to Selina's life.

Well, I can only hope the next editor brings this title back.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

As soon as this series began to peak my interest I caught wind of it being canceled. It's really too bad since the series has lasted this long. It bugs me when ANY series is canceled because I know how hard it hits when its something you've been reading for years.

[mgs]

Though I agree this issue basically sucked, I liked everything that the Catwoman team did before this.

[Agent_Torpor]

Sad that this book is going out on such a low note. Ech.

Did they just give up?

[mgs]

Sad that this book is going out on such a low note. Ech.

Did they just give up?

sadly, this rested on one person, not including the editor, Wil was the culprit here, let's be honest. The art was fine, on par with previous works, but the story was crap.

[chipsnopotatoes]

Hi. I'm just catching up on the Catwoman series (both v1 and 2). I wasnt able to get a hold of this latest issue yet. Could someone pls comment if she has any interaction with Batman here?

thanks

[AlistairCrane]

Hi. I'm just catching up on the Catwoman series (both v1 and 2). I wasnt able to get a hold of this latest issue yet. Could someone pls comment if she has any interaction with Batman here?

thanks

Not in this issue, but in the blurb for the next issue, it says he shows up.

[chipsnopotatoes]

thanks. I'm also very confused about the timeline and the state of their relationship. Last i read, she asked bruce to help her give the baby up for adoption. are they just friends at this point or not even that?

also read somewhere about her betraying martian manhunter...doesnt sound like her character at all. is dc trying to remake her back to a villain? if so thief is one thing, but traitor is something else. i hope it's not the latter.

[Schornforce]

thanks. I'm also very confused about the timeline and the state of their relationship. Last i read, she asked bruce to help her give the baby up for adoption. are they just friends at this point or not even that?

also read somewhere about her betraying martian manhunter...doesnt sound like her character at all. is dc trying to remake her back to a villain? if so thief is one thing, but traitor is something else. i hope it's not the latter.

As it stands, I think they're just friends with some flirtation, similar to Catwoman and Wildcat.

Thanks to Zatanna, Catwoman got her villainous tendencies back awhile ago, but she's somewhere in between hero and villain right now, I think.

I'm not sure what to attribute her betrayal of J'onn to-- sloppy editorial/writing, a planned but most likely unresolved storyline, just an out of character moment, Selina's lingering bitterness over the JLA's mindgames-- ignoring the fact that J'onn wasn't a party to it, ????

[AlistairCrane]

As it stands, I think they're just friends with some flirtation, similar to Catwoman and Wildcat.

I've never gotten a flirtatious vibe from Selina and Ted.


Thanks to Zatanna, Catwoman got her villainous tendencies back awhile ago, but she's somewhere in between hero and villain right now, I think.

That's not quite. It turned out Selina had never been mindwiped. There was no effect on her personality in any way.


I'm not sure what to attribute her betrayal of J'onn to-- sloppy editorial/writing, a planned but most likely unresolved storyline, just an out of character moment, Selina's lingering bitterness over the JLA's mindgames-- ignoring the fact that J'onn wasn't a party to it, ????

I'm betting it's the first.

[Schornforce]

I've never gotten a flirtatious vibe from Selina and Ted.



That's not quite. It turned out Selina had never been mindwiped. There was no effect on her personality in any way.


Ted flirted with Selina over the phone in JSA and in person in a couple Catwoman issues and I believe in a miniseries years back.

However, in the recent JSA Classified, I think that aspect was toned down, IIRC.



As for the mindwipe-- where was it retconned? Zatanna totally admitted to performing a mind alteration to Selina. Hence the favors Selina called in to Zatanna regarding Film Freak and Selina's baby.

She chose to try to stay moderately heroic, but that doesn't undo the mind games that had occurred.

[AlistairCrane]

As for the mindwipe-- where was it retconned? Zatanna totally admitted to performing a mind alteration to Selina. Hence the favors Selina called in to Zatanna regarding Film Freak and Selina's baby.


It's the one where Selina gives up Helena--Zatanna tells her the mindwipe didn't work.

[chipsnopotatoes]

re the villainess thing: i don't think it was oversight on their part.. didio was quoted saying this was deliberate...see thread

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=155406

if this is the case, i'm really not liking what they're doing to this character at all...i dont understand why they'd destroy the catwoman character/brand? doesnt seem like good business sense if you ask me.

[Schornforce]

It's the one where Selina gives up Helena--Zatanna tells her the mindwipe didn't work.

Sorta. She said she just 'nudged' Selina in the 'right' direction.

Not a mindwipe, but not a total recon.

Thanks for pointing that out, though, as I'd forgotten all about that. It was interesting to re-read. Also, I re-discovered that Selina *really* owed J'onn. He showed up in another issue to help Selina take care of someone who sought to murder her baby.

[Schornforce]

re the villainess thing: i don't think it was oversight on their part.. didio was quoted saying this was deliberate...see thread

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=155406

if this is the case, i'm really not liking what they're doing to this character at all...i dont understand why they'd destroy the catwoman character/brand? doesnt seem like good business sense if you ask me.

I agree, but will wait until it all plays out. Perhaps it'll all work out in the end-- although the way DC's going, I kinda doubt it.

DiDio has stated he thinks people don't care about Catwoman. :P Feh. I doubt he cares about the character/brand much currently.

[AlistairCrane]

Whatever the deal is with Catwoman and J'onn, it's gotta have something to do with both of them leaving Batman and the Outsiders after the second issue. For some reason I think they really wanted to have Catwoman betray J'onn but didn't care how they got there--that's why Selina was in that alternate reality machine for 3 issues.

[Agent_Torpor]

I agree, but will wait until it all plays out. Perhaps it'll all work out in the end-- although the way DC's going, I kinda doubt it.

DiDio has stated he thinks people don't care about Catwoman. :P Feh. I doubt he cares about the character/brand much currently.

Still incredulous that he would even make a stupid remark like that. Catwoman may be their most recognizable female character (with WW). Definitely one of the better known, that's for sure.

To say that readers are sick of her, esp. when other characters like Batman or Superman get 6 or 7 monthly titles alone, is just ridiculous.

[jeangreydp]

Still incredulous that he would even make a stupid remark like that. Catwoman may be their most recognizable female character (with WW). Definitely one of the better known, that's for sure.

To say that readers are sick of her, esp. when other characters like Batman or Superman get 6 or 7 monthly titles alone, is just ridiculous.


Well, I'm going to SDCC and promise to let him know that people DO care about Catwoman.

[Schornforce]

Well, I'm going to SDCC and promise to let him know that people DO care about Catwoman.

Thank you. :)

It's a shame so many of my fave titles are cancelled. :(

I wouldn't mind so much if there were more titles I had interest in to pick up the slack.

[AlistairCrane]

Well, I'm going to SDCC and promise to let him know that people DO care about Catwoman.

Hopefully he doesn't give the same BS answer about her appearing in Detective Comics and Batman.

[humpa]

Aw man, they canning catwoman? I just started getting into it.

Well, she'll probably be back in several years.