Astonishing or Uncanny

[FreeFallin]

i was going to start pulling one of the x-books at the beginning of manifest destiny. which one is usually better astonishing or uncanny? is there a difference

[matthewaos]

For me, I preferred Brubaker over Whedon, but I think I'll prefer Ellis than Bru/Fraction. Though the best currently is Carey's.

[Hi-Fi]

Legacy. yeah

[darknessatnoon]

Legacy. yeah

I strongly object!

[Dagger]

I strongly object!
I second this motion! I'm loving Uncanny right now, but I'm stoked as a monkey over a banana for Ellis on Astonishing! Hopefully his run isn't as boring as Whedon's!

[FreeFallin]

For me, I preferred Brubaker over Whedon, but I think I'll prefer Ellis than Bru/Fraction. Though the best currently is Carey's.

and those people write.....

[Hi-Fi]

Yeah, if you wanna see Cyclops and Emma taking three issues to walk down a street, I suggest you Uncanny.

[Sentinel K]

Legacy. yeah

I strongly agree.

[darknessatnoon]

Yeah, if you wanna see Cyclops and Emma taking three issues to walk down a street, I suggest you Uncanny.

Emma's not street-walking. Yeah, I got your "subtle" innuendo.

She's strutting.

[jarrod]

Well, I've gotta say it a close call, but Astonishing seems like more of a "sure thing" imo. If Ellis could make Kitty Pryde grow up, he can do anything.

Plus, no Greg Land.

[AcesX1X]

assuming they can get the books out on time!

Just be wary....Astonishing is prone to tri-monthly-to-quarterly publications.

[jarrod]

assuming they can get the books out on time!

Just be wary....Astonishing is prone to tri-monthly-to-quarterly publications.
And Uncanny's prone to being uneven crap, going by the past decade. Seems like a fair trade off.

[AcesX1X]

And Uncanny's prone to being uneven crap, going by the past decade. Seems like a fair trade off.

:tongue:

Too true! It's all very dependent on your priorities really!

[DeniseXfrost]

Both have Emma. Both are good...although I'm leaning toward AXM.

[jarrod]

:tongue:

Too true! It's all very dependent on your priorities really!
Yeah, I'm positive on the outlook for both though. I doubt Astonishing will be as delayed with Ellis and editorial being pretty conscious of how that screwed Whedon, and I doubt Uncanny will be quite as mediocre with Fraction and the expanded cast injecting some much needed enthusiasm.

I'd feel better if they canned Land though... they need to swipe Copiel back.

[Optic Rage!]

Legacy. yeah

Ew. Only if you want to be bored out of your fucking mind.

I would pick Ellis' AXM out of the two.

But i think both books will be brilliant.

Fraction & Ellis are both fantastic writers.

[darknessatnoon]

and those people write.....

Ed Brubaker writes Uncanny (soon he will be joined by Matt Fraction).

Joss Whedon used to write Astonishing, but that's now over.

Warren Ellis (also known to his fans as "Fifi Zimmerman") is going to be writing Astonishing.

Mike Carey is the overrated author of X-Men: Legacy, a comic you'd love if you enjoy seeing Professor Xavier telepathically control a flock of pigeons or Bobby D'Acosta knock his wine glass over in the general direction of Sebastian Shaw.

[MuhollandDriver]

Well....the titles serve different purposes.

Uncanny is the corest of the core....the backbone of all the other titles. Lots of characters, plots, subplots...very continuity heavy.

Astonishing is a self-contained story in the timeline featuring a limited amount of characters.

[timbox]

New Exiles.

[Optic Rage!]

and those people write.....

At the moment Brubaker is writing Uncanny, but he is in the middle of an arc so i would say to wait untill #500 to jump on.

He will be being joined by Fraction...who is one of the best writers around at the moment.

AXM was written by Whendon, but thats over. AXM - Second Strike is written by Ellis, its pretty much the 'big'' X-Men book. but its not out yet.

It has all the A-listers, has the most hype etc etc.

The team is Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, Beast, Storm, Armor.

Uncanny will be rotating, so far it seems that Cyclops, Wolverine, Pixie and Karma will have parts in it.

I cant wait for both of them.

[Swashbuckler]

I agree, the titles will xsist for a variety of reasons. Uncanny is going to be the new Flag-ship title I think. It will direct the other books and contain the main X-Mythos. Astonishing seems like it's going to be the "artsy" book. The "new ideas" book, if that makes sense. I know they claim the book will be on a normal schedule, but I have my doubts. Thunderbolts (also by Ellis) doesn't come out regularly. Uncanny does. And while it's current arc may seem a bit slow, I think some slack has to be cut. The book just got off a major event and is heading towards a 500th issue landmark (Land-mark, ....ugh...pun) .

If you pull one X-Book I would suggest Uncanny. It's not bogged down with continuity or creator snobbery.

[bookguy]

Astonishing all the way!

Sooooo much better than anything else these days.
:biggrin:

[rZi]

Astonishing is probably my faviroute X-Book of all time!

Brubaker will make me wait 6 books for something that could happen in 2..

[jarrod]

Brubaker will make me wait 6 books for something that could happen in 2..
Well, Whedon made us wait over 4 years for what could've reasonably happened in 18 months... sounds like someone's finally following the nuFlagship's lead. :P

[Flameworthy]

Mike Carey is the overrated author of X-Men: Legacy, a comic you'd love if you enjoy seeing Professor Xavier telepathically control a flock of pigeons or Bobby D'Acosta knock his wine glass over in the general direction of Sebastian Shaw.

I agree. I wouldn't give that book the time of day.

I'd say go with Uncanny because Dazzler will soon become part of the cast, and everybody knows that Dazz is the life of the party whenever she's around. Unless of course she's featured in a book named New Excalibur.:frown:

[jarrod]

I think Fraction's going to surprise with Dazzler... but c'mon, she's obvs second fiddle to KARMA! :biggrin:

[Flameworthy]

I think Fraction's going to surprise with Dazzler... but c'mon, she's obvs second fiddle to KARMA! :biggrin:

eh, I've never been a big fan of Karma so it'll be interesting to see what they do with her.

[tetragene]

I preferred Astonishing over Uncanny previously (the whole Shi'Ar year long story was interesting at first, but quickly deterred)--with Ellis coming onto the title I expect pretty great quality output. The only problem being Marvel was notoriously bad about delaying Whedon's AXM and the new artist on the title (sorry, I forget his name) is said to work very slowly--so that doesn't bode to well for getting one issue out every month. With UXM you have two acclaimed writers and what looks to be a pretty big ensemble cast--you'll have to deal with Greg Land's porn poses and faces though. I think both titles look promising, but if you're a fan of the more "core" characters (Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Emma) then I'd definitely say pick-up Astonishing X-Men.


Mike Carey is the overrated author of X-Men: Legacy, a comic you'd love if you enjoy seeing Professor Xavier telepathically control a flock of pigeons or Bobby D'Acosta knock his wine glass over in the general direction of Sebastian Shaw.

LOL--sorry, but it's so true. Legacy is a yawn fest--and as much as Carey did inject some life back into adjectivelss X-men (and it's cast of several characters nobody previously gave a crap about) I haven't found him to be the second coming that everyone else does.

[Fatguy]

Yeah, if you wanna see Cyclops and Emma taking three issues to walk down a street, I suggest you Uncanny.

OMG the claws came out!

I like Uncanny. Astonishing is a whole new creative team, so it's impossible to vote for....sounds awesome though! I'm excited.

[Imraith Nimphais]

X-Force...'nuff said

[Pro]

Legacy. yeah

I agree. Legacy is the book to read.

[jarrod]

It's not Carey's fault he got saddled doing Xaiver Origins... if there was any justice in this world, he'd be writing Uncanny (with Copiel on art and Rogue front'n'center).

[frog]

Carey's Legacy is the more cerebral of the X-books. Not all of us wants nonstop violence all the time - some of us like to actually see what the characters have going on inside as well. Ignore the jaded naysayers!

[rZi]

Well, Whedon made us wait over 4 years for what could've reasonably happened in 18 months... sounds like someone's finally following the nuFlagship's lead. :P

4 years of good > 4 months of bad

[matthewaos]

Mike Carey is the overrated author of X-Men: Legacy, a comic you'd love if you enjoy seeing Professor Xavier telepathically control a flock of pigeons or Bobby D'Acosta knock his wine glass over in the general direction of Sebastian Shaw.

Well, opinions may differ.

[jarrod]

4 years of good > 4 months of bad
To be fair, I'd say Bru's had well more than 4 month of bad so far. :P

And 2 years of good stories (again, highly arguable, but I'll conceit) spread over 4 years is awful, no matter how you spin it. Astonishing in trade form after the fact: okay. Astonishing as a genre serial: pure failure.

[Optic Rage!]

Carey's Legacy is the more cerebral of the X-books. Not all of us wants nonstop violence all the time - some of us like to actually see what the characters have going on inside as well. Ignore the jaded naysayers!

I'm not saying Careys a bad writer, hardly.

I just find Xavier very very boring and tbh, not a thing of intrest has happend so far.

I am excited to see his confrontation with Scott tough, hopefully Carey can settle it and make both look good...if thats possible.

[jarrod]

Ugh, I'm just counting the days until Rogue turns up. Hurry up Anna!

Xaiver/Scott confrontation round 121 is honestly the last thing I want to see... mega-YAWN!

[Optic Rage!]

Ugh, I'm just counting the days until Rogue turns up. Hurry up Anna!

Xaiver/Scott confrontation round 121 is honestly the last thing I want to see... mega-YAWN!

Just skip the issues then?

[frog]

Ugh, I'm just counting the days until Rogue turns up. Hurry up Anna!

Xaiver/Scott confrontation round 121 is honestly the last thing I want to see... mega-YAWN!

I'm looking forward to Carey's take on it - that will be the definitive one.

[Pro]

I just find Xavier very very boring and tbh, not a thing of intrest has happend so far.

That's just because you're not cerebral enough. Frog said so! :p

[Optic Rage!]

That's just because you're not cerebral enough. Frog said so! :p

Yeah yeah....go fuck yourself :p

And plus, i have read books that are far more cerebral then this bore fest!

[Fatguy]

X-Force...'nuff said

Actually, yea, I second this. My fave X-Book right now.

[HeckBoy]

I'll probably do Uncanny. No character on Astonishing really grabs my attention too much. At least w/ UXN, it seems like they'll rotate in different characters depending on the mission so chances are, I'll see the characters I like over there more often.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Carey's Legacy is the more cerebral of the X-books. Not all of us wants nonstop violence all the time - some of us like to actually see what the characters have going on inside as well. Ignore the jaded naysayers!

Can't be any worse than the slow crawl (the Bataan Death March) of story that Brubaker's giving us in Uncanny.

[darknessatnoon]

Carey's Legacy is the more cerebral of the X-books. Not all of us wants nonstop violence all the time - some of us like to actually see what the characters have going on inside as well. Ignore the jaded naysayers!

I thought the issue of Legacy that included Jean Grey talking about general anesthetic was very "meta," actually. So maybe it was a post-modern masterpiece, because I fell asleep while reading it.

[Fatguy]

Only HALF of Uncanny is moving slow. The Colossus/Nightcrawler/Wolverine storyline has been great fun. But OTH, the whole hippy thing couldn't possible be crawling along any slower. As Hiffy said, Cyclops and Emma sure walk down the street slowly.

[Quinnhop]

Go with Uncanny. It's the flagship title, regardless of what people say.

Now, if you're looking for a self-contained story that will probably blow you away, then go with Astonishing.

[Maestro]

Buy both Uncanny #500 and Astonishing #25 and see which one you like more

[Diablito]

X-Force and Astonishing X-Men are probably the best right now.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I thought the issue of Legacy that included Jean Grey talking about general anesthetic was very "meta," actually. So maybe it was a post-modern masterpiece, because I fell asleep while reading it.

It was so po-mo, it's po-po-mo.

[Hi-Fi]

Ew. Only if you want to be bored out of your fucking mind.
Wake me up when Scott and Emma get to the end of that street and we'll talk.

[timbox]

Wake me up when Scott and Emma get to the end of that street and we'll talk.

Duh Hi-Fi!! THey're at the end and about to get eaten alive/raped by Lady Kitty!!!!

[Hi-Fi]

Duh Hi-Fi!! THey're at the end and about to get eaten alive/raped by Lady Kitty!!!!
I can only hope so!

[Hi-Fi]

I thought the issue of Legacy that included Jean Grey talking about general anesthetic was very "meta," actually. So maybe it was a post-modern masterpiece, because I fell asleep while reading it.
That was one of my favorite conversations of the book.

[Novaya Havoc]

Uncanny will have Dazzler.

Astonishing has TrannyStorm.

Uncanny WINS!

[Optic Rage!]

Wake me up when Scott and Emma get to the end of that street and we'll talk.

Wakes Hi-Fi up.

Dude, they already are at the end of the street.

Also, did you not read the last issue? Lots happend.


Duh Hi-Fi!! THey're at the end and about to get eaten alive/raped by Lady Kitty!!!!

Please, she will be lucky if Emma does not start making her lick herself whenever she wants a shower.

[Hi-Fi]

Dude. TrannyStorm is full of WIN.

[Hi-Fi]

Wakes Hi-Fi up.

Dude, they already are at the end of the street.

Also, did you not read the last issue? Lots happend.
Nothing happened on Emma/ Scott's subplot. Martinque took 5 pages to remember her name and some X-Folks appeared. Seriously, they got to San Francisco THREE issues ago.

And while I'm digging the Logan/ Kurt/ Peter combo a lot, all they did was get free and run into Omega Red. But yeah, seriously loving them together.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dude. TrannyStorm is full of WIN.

Compared to the Xavier snoozefest in Legacy she is!

[CyberHubbs]

Uncanny will have Land drawing Dazzler. I expect more O-face out of her than usual. She'll be Diva-pornlicious.

[Optic Rage!]

Nothing happened on Emma/ Scott's subplot. Martinque took 5 pages to remember her name and some X-Folks appeared. Seriously, they got to San Francisco THREE issues ago.

And while I'm digging the Logan/ Kurt/ Peter combo a lot, all they did was get free and run into Omega Red. But yeah, seriously loving them together.

Right, but then the Emma/Scott plot had like what, not even a 1/4 of the book.

Its an entertaining book, and has fantastic art.

What exactly has Legacy got going for it?

[Hi-Fi]

Uncanny will have Land drawing Dazzler. I expect more O-face out of her than usual. She'll be Diva-pornlicious.
Is she really appearing, though? I mean, Karma was mentioned in a solicitation and not her. Karma!

[Novaya Havoc]

Uncanny will have Land drawing Dazzler. I expect more O-face out of her than usual. She'll be Diva-pornlicious.

As long as she has a hot Kylie o-face she's all good!


Is she really appearing, though? I mean, Karma was mentioned in a solicitation and not her. Karma!

Don't spread your BARACK OBAMA LIES. She's on the Land COVER! She was in the Astonishing SKETCHBOOK.

Dazzler liiiiives! In black leather!

She's just the DivaSparkle SURPRISE!!!! She wasn't mentioned in Eve of Destruction either. Dazzluh!

[CyberHubbs]

Is she really appearing, though? I mean, Karma was mentioned in a solicitation and not her. Karma!

No idea.

I do look forward to Karma, though. We need more lesbianism in the X-Books.

[Hi-Fi]

Right, but then the Emma/Scott plot had like what, not even a 1/4 of the book.

Its an entertaining book, and has fantastic art.

What exactly has Legacy got going for it?
LOL, It's personal taste.

I like learning more about the X-Men mithology and the beginning of mutant appearances.

I dislike reading Emma telling Scott she wants him while they walk down a street.

I like the fact that we already had a finished arc on Legacy and that we're in the middle of other, while we're still stucked in the middle of the same story in Uncanny is not of my liking.

I like subplots running like the Hellfire Club one and even Rogue's

Let me be with my liking of Legacy, Andy. You don't have to quote me and ask me how I'm not fucking bored. Let me be bored! It's all relative. I mean, you're not bored with Scott and Emma hippie storyline and I am, right?


Don't spread your BARACK OBAMA LIES. She's on the Land COVER! She was in the Astonishing SKETCHBOOK.

Dazzler liiiiives! In black leather!

She's just the DivaSparkle SURPRISE!!!! She wasn't mentioned in Eve of Destruction either. Dazzluh!
LOL.

:wink:

[Come To Deathstrike]

Captain Britain and MI:13.
It's still listed in the X-bracket for some reason.
So it counts.
I'm full of bias, I don't care.

Best book out.

[Optic Rage!]

LOL, It's personal taste.

I like learning more about the X-Men mithology and the beginning of mutant appearances.

I dislike reading Emma telling Scott she wants him while they walk down a street.

I like the fact that we already had a finished arc on Legacy and that we're in the middle of other, while we're still stucked in the middle of the same story in Uncanny is not of my liking.

I like subplots running like the Hellfire Club one and even Rogue's

Let me be with my liking of Legacy, Andy. You don't have to quote me and ask me how I'm not fucking bored. Let me be bored! It's all relative. I mean, you're not bored with Scott and Emma hippie storyline and I am, right?


Fair enough.

[frog]

Right, but then the Emma/Scott plot had like what, not even a 1/4 of the book.

Its an entertaining book, and has fantastic art.

What exactly has Legacy got going for it?

Legacy is a different type of book, simply put. It's about the internal battles of the characters. I like variety. If it was imitating the other X-books there wouldn't be much point.

I like Uncanny too and I'm enjoying the current art but as for the future - Land ho(face)! :eek:

[La Fea]

Both are about to change, but prospectively I'd choose Uncanny. Its been very safe and slow though and I hope they get rid of that nasty habit once issue 500 comes.

[lockerogue]

Legacy is a different type of book, simply put. It's about the internal battles of the characters. I like variety. If it was imitating the other X-books there wouldn't be much point.

I like Uncanny too and I'm enjoying the current art but as for the future - Land ho(face)! :eek:

I <3 u Frog.

LOL ho face

[Novaya Havoc]

Legacy is a different type of book, simply put. It's about the internal battles of the characters. I like variety. If it was imitating the other X-books there wouldn't be much point.


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[Brian Cronin]

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-Brian