Trinity #3: Discussion and Review Thread

[Binker]

My review to this will be posted soon. But until then, post what you thought of it!

[jv2k]

The story started out pretty good with the JLA coming in to fight Convict( minus the trinity of course) and we actually got to see Black Canary actually leading the team and giving them orders. Unfortunately once the Trinity it's almost as if they call rank and they start giving orders. Dinah is still the team leader and I kind of dislike that she gave up control once the trinity arrived, although I understand why she was relieved when they came as the only heavy hitter on the team was the flash and he spent most of the book evacuating the area.

Once the trinity arrives Batman and Wonder Woman aid the downed members and leave Superman to fight Konvict. Konvict lands a big punch and we see Superman on the ground as the story cuts off so that we can get a horrible backup story.

The fight was getting interesting and they cut it off so that we could watch some Mexican tarot card reading woman getting jumped by a gang led by a guy name "Frito", because Frito wanted her to help him with a heroin shipment. Then some guy turned into a werewolf and saved Tarrot card reading chick by either knocking the gang out or killing them(lotta blood and it isn't really clear). The story was pretty bad. It was relevant to the story because we do see the Tarot card reader in Morgan Lafe's vision and this is probably setting the girl up to be at the right place and the right time, but it wasn't really needed.

I like the book so far, the art is good for a weekly and the writing is well done(I became a Busiek fan after reading his recent run on superman which was much better than John's run on action) but the pacing is getting annoying and the backups, especially this last one, seem more like filler.

[DonC]

My review to this will be posted soon. But until then, post what you thought of it!


Thread staking is frowned upon.

[Flash's Lightning]

I love how the JLA look up to the three immediately and begin to listen. And how the two look to Superman, as if he can take on Konvikt singlehandedly whereas the Justice League couldn't.

Okay, I admit it - Kurt surprised me with the one-hit Superman knockout. That was a cool moment. I have a feeling Batman and Wonder Woman will kick some ass next issue as Superman recovers, as well they should. Please please please let Wonder Woman go all Xena on Konvikt (and that annoying little pest that seems to be...controlling Konvikt?)

Strangely enough, I find myself enjoying the Jose and Tarot story better. Poor Tarot seems to be in a mess now, and I'm glad she has Jose watching her back. The b story with Tarot also mentions a "three" who Tarot "belongs to". Whether that's the Good Trinity, the Evil Trinity, or another Trinity remains to be seen.

Overall, I give this issue a 7 - a definite improvement from issues one and two as the dialogue gets better, the action picks up, and more secondary characters are added that are actually interesting.

[Flash's Lightning]

Dinah is still the team leader and I kind of dislike that she gave up control once the trinity arrived, although I understand why she was relieved when they came as the only heavy hitter on the team was the flash and he spent most of the book evacuating the area.

It's not as though she deferred to Captain Atom or the Rainbow Raider or something - this is Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Of course you defer to them! They have more experience, not to mention power, than 99% of the heroes out there.

..and we see Superman on the ground as the story cuts off so that we can get a horrible backup story.

The fight was getting interesting and they cut it off so that we could watch some Mexican tarot card reading woman getting jumped by a gang led by a guy name "Frito", because Frito wanted her to help him with a heroin shipment. Then some guy turned into a werewolf and saved Tarrot card reading chick by either knocking the gang out or killing them(lotta blood and it isn't really clear). The story was pretty bad. It was relevant to the story because we do see the Tarot card reader in Morgan Lafe's vision and this is probably setting the girl up to be at the right place and the right time, but it wasn't really needed.

I disagree completely. Superman would have been the last panel no matter what - that's called a cliffhanger for a reason. The book would have stretched to accomodate the story.

And how do you know they weren't Rican? Sure, they *could* be Mexican, or just as easily from many other hispanic countries. And I believe the one you called "some guy" was Gangbuster, and he did not turn into a werewolf. I have no clue where you got that part! Some other creature did it, but we have no idea if it's wolf or lizard or just a really big alley cat that got hungry.

I like the book so far, the art is good for a weekly and the writing is well done(I became a Busiek fan after reading his recent run on superman which was much better than John's run on action) but the pacing is getting annoying and the backups, especially this last one, seem more like filler.

Actually, I thought what you called "filler" to be the best part.

[dtjunkie]

Everyone backing up to let Supes take over and then having him get knocked out in 1 punch was awesome.

I also enjoyed the backup story more than the feature. I found it to be the best written portion and most intriguing part of the story so far. This is really the first time I've been exposed to the larger DC Universe (I've only read Kevin Smith's Green Arrow and the Harley Quinn run by Karl Kesel) so I have to ask... is the Tarot reader a new character for this series or someone who is an established character?

[stealthwise]

The main story: 8/10. Good action, nice cliffhanger, a bit insubstantial, but you're going to get that most of the time in a 52 part series that's less than a full issue's worth of pages each week.

The backup: 5/10. The art was pretty weak, and it seems to be leading to something larger that I don't really care about at the moment.

[blackphoenix]

Meh. DC is not tricking me into buying another yearlong weekly series. Nice try.

[jv2k]

It's not as though she deferred to Captain Atom or the Rainbow Raider or something - this is Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Of course you defer to them! They have more experience, not to mention power, than 99% of the heroes out there.

I understand that they are the big three and all, but she is still the JLA leader. This isn't some star struck newbie we're talking about this is Dinah. She's still one of the original founders and has tons of heroing experience under her belt.

I disagree completely. Superman would have been the last panel no matter what - that's called a cliffhanger for a reason. The book would have stretched to accomodate the story.
Perhaps, or perhaps they would have used whatever cliffhanger we'll get next week at the end of the fight. Either way I would have preferred both options to the backup story.

And how do you know they weren't Rican? Sure, they *could* be Mexican, or just as easily from many other hispanic countries.

I know they aren't "Rican" because, as a Puerto Rican, I didn't see anything that seemed to identify them as Puerto Ricans.

The generic hispanics did live in a california looking barrio close enough to the mexican boarder to smuggle in drugs, the gang had connections in Mexico, and of course everyone had stereotypical names like "Frito" and Jose. The first and last reasons are what make me believe most that the characters in the second act are Mexican. The first because in reality there are more mexicans than other hispanics in southern california, and the last reason because experience tells me that 90% of the time when non-latino authors talk about hispanics they usually mean Mexicans.


And I believe the one you called "some guy" was Gangbuster, [/QUOT]
So that's who he is. I'm completely unfamiliar with him which is why he wasn't given a name in my previous post. I guess I'll go wiki him after I submit this.
[QUOTE]
and he did not turn into a werewolf. I have no clue where you got that part!
Well I'm unfamiliar with the character so I don't know his powers. What I did know was that he had something to hide, then he chased after "Frito" and gang.
Next panel has this thing tearing up the gang:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8616/trinity03020eo1.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity03020eo1.jpg)
Next panel Tarot opened up her eyes and she sees Gangbuster in front of her as if nothing happened. Seems like classic secret identity behavior. It also doesn't help that he seems completely apathetic to the fact that a monster hurt all those people and has a possible fascination with Tarot.

Some other creature did it, but we have no idea if it's wolf or lizard or just a really big alley cat that got hungry.
It could be a possibility. Still I think it'll be some odd plot twist.


Actually, I thought what you called "filler" to be the best part.
Well to each his own. Personally I'd rather watch the JLA and Superman fight some monster and find out his relevance to the story over watching a Tarot card reader running away from a gang lead by a guy named "Frito" on Vaguely Mexican Blvd.

Also, I call the backup filler because it didn't really progress anything at all. It feels like a part of something much bigger but barely gave us any information and could have been told in half as many pages. I know a lot of people throw the word "filler" incorrectly all over the place nowadays, but that story is in the very literal sense of the word filler. The story was created and stretched out to fill up the remaining half of the book because, for whatever reason, the book needs to have a backup story.

[Paul Newell]

Thread staking is frowned upon.
Very frowned upon.

[IvCNuB4]

Thread staking is frowned upon.

He pulled the same crap over at Newsarama today four times in the Review Forum .....

[HaroldAllnut]

I was feeling so-so about it up to this point; I've completely lost interest.

[Jack Zodiac]

I wouldn't mind if his reviews weren't so !@#$in' awful. Hannibal Tabu's a better reviewer.

That said, I was once again disappointed with this issue. Very little "Trinity," and then a lengthy, uninteresting back-up for a character I really can't see myself caring about.

[Loner]

After buying and reading this issue I am boycotting all DC weekly minis.

TWELVE PAGES!? Are you ^$@ing kidding me! To quote Judge Judy, "Don't piss on my hand and tell me it's raining!"

I'm not paying $2.99 for twelve pages of story that read like eight. And I'm sure as hell not doing it every week for a year.

(For that matter, I'm quickly losing interest in paying for 22 pages of story that read like 5, so my DC pull list in general is getting shorter.)

[Hawkman]

You know, after being pretty disappointed with the first two issues, I actually enjoyed this one. And the back-up more so than the main event, even. It would seem that I'm falling into the minority here, though.

[Ian J.N.]

Trinity is my favorite title right now. Every issue you get two short but solidly constructed stories, with a little action, a little story movement, and a little character dissection. There's a wide variety of characters and situations, and yet it's all satisfyingly cohesive; nothing feels arbitrary. All of that combines into a satisfying reading experience, week after week, which is well worth the money.

And that's not even considering the long-term culmination. Add up those "littles" and you'll get one damned impressive epic of a literary treatise. In my oh-so-humble opinion, the title's detractors are being short-sighted (or to put it another way, no, not TWELVE PAGES. ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED FORTY-FOUR PAGES, including backup STORIES. Sheesh).

[jerrymcl89]

Is Dinah actually supposed to be talking while using the Canary Cry? That doesn't seem possible to me. The word balloons were a little odd, so perhaps it's meant to be more of a thought balloon, or some sort of telepathy, althogh I don't think the current League has any telepaths.

That's a quibble, of course. I've been quite happy with the book so far.

[jeangreydp]

Thread staking is frowned upon.

Posting in a thread only to be rude is also frowned upon.

Meanwhile, this issue didn't do it for me. Its making the Trinity look too infallible and Dinah looks incompetent in the process.

The problem I generally have with Busiek is that he focuses so much on the smash-em-up aspect of comics and not much on characters. I feel like everyone in this issue was very superficial.

I might just wait for the trades.

[BYC]

When Black Canary was first named leader, I was confused. I can't imagine BC giving the big 3 orders and expect to be listened to. The big 3 are SO far above her that I can't comprehend it. It's like she's the leader when the big 3 are NOT there, but once they are, they take control.

It's similar to Captain America being given an order. Sure, he'll accept it, but more than likely, that order will not be the best thing to do at that point 90% of the time. Superman will accept orders. Batman probably will not, and unless Wonder Woman respects you, probably not gonna get it from her either.

[JCAll]

*sigh*

I loved the first two issues of Trinity. Loved. And now this. Superman playing with that solar system and Batman taking out that city with a word in #2 were creative and interesting, but this? I've seen this fight before. Dozens of times. And they don't even mix up the choreography. Konvict is just Doomsday with a plucky sidekick at this point, who steps on the Justice League and decides to forego the awesome brawl with Superman in favor of one-punching him and cutting to the backup.

And to make it worse, Trinity is the only comic, by any company, that I have any interest at all in this week. Now I've slipped into a level of mad I haven't reached since Countdown ended. And I keep reminding myself how good Countdown was for the first few issues.

The Backup with Gangbuster and the Tarot reader was actually good though. Well narated, nice characters, stupid punks getting turned into hamburger. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

More of that, and less of the Justice League. The stink up their own title enough as it is.

[DonC]

Posting in a thread only to be rude is also frowned upon.


Which is why I didn't say anything rude. I merely pointed out to Binker that what he did wasn't cool with the mods here. I didn't insult him or use any derogatory terms. I just stated the facts. And Paul, the moderator here, posted his agreement.

[Flash's Lightning]

Which is why I didn't say anything rude. I merely pointed out to Binker that what he did wasn't cool with the mods here. I didn't insult him or use any derogatory terms. I just stated the facts. And Paul, the moderator here, posted his agreement.

I second that. I don't think it's rude to point out the rules of etiquette at CBR. We all mess up from time to time, and we all need someone kind enough to point it out.

[Binker]

By Nathaniel Ruff (also known as Binker, Binker2 and Nate on many forums)

TRINITY #3

Written by Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza
Art by Mark Bagley, Art Thibert, Scott McDaniel, Andy Owens, Tom Derenick, Wayne Faucher, Mike Norton and Jerry Ordway
Covers by Carlos Pacheco
Edited by Mike Carlin

PLOT:
The lead feature explores the unusual bond — and importance — of DC's top three characters, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, as a mysterious dream links them together and may prophesy important changes in their trinity!

REVIEW:
After the first, we went to the second week with the second issue of Trinity. Fortunantly, that second issue continued the well-written story, kept the interest, characters and situations, all intacted with no flaws. If this keeps up, this is surely going to be DC's newest winner. I hoped the same was said by other readers. But now is the third week, so let us see how our third issue is going to be!

Our third issue of Trinity picks up where the last issue left off, and while I would still praise it, it contains a couple of flaws that I wasn't happy about. The issue features a special appearance by the Justice League, as they fight off Konvikt. And while the battle was intense as the city gets damaged, what I didn't like was this: when the Trinity appears, the JLA stops. Guess Red Arrow was lying when he said "the League doesn't quit", when in fact they DO in this issue. That goes against the other stories I've, we've seen, where if the Trinity appears as their backup, the JLA continues to fight as now they have reinforcements. But they don't here? What the--. The other flaw was the ending, which like the entire series will until its final issue, is a cliffhanging "to be continued". But in this case, in regards to the other two issues, this wasn't really a cliffhanging moment. Konvikt punches Superman? Well, its well-known knowledge that Superman can be beaten and even hurt and defeated, so someone who is big like Konvikt, or even Doomsday, can do that to Superman. I felt like that was expected. So to have him actually do that, and it being selled as the cliffhanging ending, it just felt like it was too much. These two flaws, in my mind, say that maybe Busiek was trying a little TOO hard in selling the Trinity. I hope that this doesn’t quite happen again, but if it does, I hope there is more of a concrete story point that explains why this would happen again.

On the co-story, we got something different. Not like I'm saying that the two co-stories were different from each other, but this felt different to me. The co-story focuses on Tarot Rita (I believe that's her name, both are used to refer to her, but I'll just call her Rita). She appeared in the co-story back in the first issue, as the one who was shocked to see three of each of her cards turned into the Trinity. In this issue, it focuses on her not sure on why her cards would refer to her as "the Queen of Wands", saying she is a leader, then going to what her life is like as a tarot reader, but then hitting the mystery side as something happens to her that she cannot explain, and she is scared. That something is a monster, who kills some guys who wanted to kill her, because it was protecting her in regards to her help with the "three who will rise", and we all know who they are, right? So this co-story sets up a new character, not just for the DCU, but in regards to the weekly series and the stories to come. I really want to know what's next for Rita, and the stories that come with it.

Overall, in comparison with the two stories in this issue, the co-story saved the main story. Except for the JLA arriving, and then the Trinity arriving, in fighting off Konvikt, nothing quite happened in that main story. It included a couple of flaws that were easily nuts to think about; the League stops all because the Trinity is there, which is something that is not what they do, and the cliffhanger of Superman being defeated by Konvikt was played out in a way that it really shouldn't have been played. The co-story saved it, and we were introduced to the Rita character cameoed in issue #1. I want to learn more about her, and find out more of her role in this. All in all, the issue was half bad/half good.

RATING: Okay

[Schornforce]

I'm in the camp that enjoyed the backup more than the main event.

I agree that Black Canary was a little too quick to defer to the Trinity with a smile and 'gosh, now the REAL heroes are here' attitude.

But I understand that they needed a heavy hitter and the Trinity has 'em.

I enjoyed the tarot reader and found her story to be intruiging to me. I wonder if she'll have any ties to Madame Xanadu-- another fortune teller in the DCU.

[jeangreydp]

Which is why I didn't say anything rude. I merely pointed out to Binker that what he did wasn't cool with the mods here. I didn't insult him or use any derogatory terms. I just stated the facts. And Paul, the moderator here, posted his agreement.

My bad. I just opened this thread and it read to me as if you were trying to make a fool out of binker.

I think next time you might say "Hey binker, we aren't supposed to start a review thread w/o a review. Keep that in mind next time." The phrase "frowned upon" has always sounded condescending to me.

It came off rude to me and all I saw was a poster getting pushed around so I stood up for him. Thanks for clarifying though. I didn't intend to ruffle your feathers unless you were being rude.

[DonC]

My bad. I just opened this thread and it read to me as if you were trying to make a fool out of binker.

I think next time you might say "Hey binker, we aren't supposed to start a review thread w/o a review. Keep that in mind next time." The phrase "frowned upon" has always sounded condescending to me.

It came off rude to me and all I saw was a poster getting pushed around so I stood up for him. Thanks for clarifying though. I didn't intend to ruffle your feathers unless you were being rude.

Trust me, you'll know when I'm being rude. :evilangry:

A few years back thread staking was a problem here. People would start threads a month in advance just so it could be "their" thread. For example, if Hero Dude #43 came out that week, they'd start a Hero Dude #44 thread. I don't think the practice was officially outlawed, but people got sick of it real fast. Since then the general rule has been that if your purpose is for other people to post while you say nothing, then don't start a thread. Saying, "Here's a thread, I'll post later" or "What did you think?" doesn't cut it. Let someone else start the thread. Or wait until you're ready to actually contribute something.

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[Lex]

The problem I generally have with Busiek is that he focuses so much on the smash-em-up aspect of comics and not much on characters.
I find that kinda funny. Have you ever read his Astro City comics? They are about 95% character and 5% superhero action.

[Lex]

I actually enjoyed the back-up in this issue more than the main story. Don't get me wrong, the main story was a decent Justice League story. I continue to enjoy the dynamic between Graak and Konvikt. I thought the main story was a little lite on the Big 3, but oh well.

As for the back-up, I really liked that story. This Tarot girl seems very interesting and I'm excited to see her connection to the main story. And I didn't realize it until reading this thread, but Jose is Gangbuster? Looking back, it seems he was putting up an anti-gang flier. That should've clued me in. I'm not convinced Jose is that werewolf-thingy, but that is a fun mystery.

All-in-all, a good issue.

[JackBurton01]

I thought about picking this up, but 12 page stories? I'll rexamine when its a trade. Also after Countdown I no loger trust weekly's

[Joe Acro]

Much like when Busiek was writing Superman, I'm finding myself more interested in the non-featured character(s). I was enjoying the Justice League versus Konvikt fight. ...up until we learn that Konvikt is only fighting as long as people fight him. No one uses their heads and stops the fight, but continues lashing out like it's a point of pride. And then the Trinity arrived and everyone defers to them. It all just left a bad taste in my mouth.

However the commentary from Morgan and Enigma was fun and the back-up feature had me intrigued about where that story is going. A tarot reader who can suddenly predict the future? A mysterious goblin-thing protecting her to insure she doesn't become detained for whatever's supposed to happen to her? All very interesting stuff. And I thought the art was better in that story, too.

[Alex L]

I skipped Countdown entirely, so I haven't been burned out on the weeklies just yet.

On board for Trinity, but probably not for a fourth game of 52-pickup.

I also really, really dug the backup -- probably more than the main story this week.

If there had been more pages devoted to the main story, my guess would be that it would feature more pages of Konvict curbstomping the League before the Big Three show up, which may have helped with some people's perceptions that Canary deferred leadership too quickly.

[Flash's Lightning]

For those who want to know more about Gangbuster:

Wikipedia to the Rescue! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangbuster)

[andy khouri]

TRINGENUITY 3: "Trinity" Commentary

It's all-out war as the Justice League battles the alien named Konvikt, a monster that dwarfs the might of even Superman, and we learn more about the mysterious young woman named Tarot as Justin and Brian catch us up on last week's issue of "Trinity."

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16909

[AirDave]

I like Bagley and Thibert's take on the Justice League. what caught my eye, was his Black Lightning and Flash. He really has a good handle on the team, almost an Alan Davis look. I was reminded of The Nail by Hawkgirl.

Here's my nitpick - what makes Konvict more unique than say a Doomsday, Solomon Grundy, or even Bizarro? Why is it cool that he takes Superman out with one punch? Supes can go round after round with the other three, and this unfamiliar character comes along and in issue three lays Big Blue flat? What?

My other nitpick is that Canary is using her Canary cry ability and talking at the same time. I've never seen her do that before. It just looks weird.

And finally, let's say I'm John Stewart, Hal Jordan or Dinah Lance. What makes Bruce, Diana or even Clark - Clark, of all people who puts on this downhome, aw-shucks-ma'am persona - so much better than me. I can put a green bubble around either of their heads until they pass out. Dinah has been presented since Crisis on Infinite Earths with much more depth and personality than Diana. Diana seems a bit two-dimensional. If I'm Hal Jordan or Dinah Lance, I know that Bruce has a counter-masure to take me out. I get that. I respect that. I almost like him for that. But Clark and Diana. Smug elitists.

Other than that, I'm liking Trinity...

[brundlefly]

Here's my nitpick - what makes Konvict more unique than say a Doomsday, Solomon Grundy, or even Bizarro? Why is it cool that he takes Superman out with one punch? Supes can go round after round with the other three, and this unfamiliar character comes along and in issue three lays Big Blue flat? What?

My assumption is that Supes took a dive and is just playing possum to end the fight with Konvikt since, as Joe Acro noted, Konvikt is only fighting so long as others continue to attack and provoke him. Supes is using his head and trying to avoid property damage and casualties, as opposed to just continuing to slug it out. Of course, that's just my assumption; could be that Superman's really been knocked out. But that result serves no purpose other than "OMG! Konvikt is so strong that he knocked out Superman with one punch!" I don't think Busiek is trying to debut the next Doomsday here, as opposed to showing that Superman uses his head and isn't all brawn (for instance, I'm sure the peanut gallery of Morgan and Enigma will comment on Superman's use of strategy over physical strength).

[SupermanL]

Interesting, thanks for the heads up. I have enjoyed Busieks work,and will take a look at it.

[Flash's Lightning]

Kurt explained the Canary Cry thing during his interview at Newsarama. I'm sure he'll correct me here if I explain it wrong. :biggrin:

In a perfect comic, you'd have basically several panels. BC screams, takes a deep breath and talks, then screams again. But in this scenario, where space was at a premium, it was understandably an awkward scene which appeared to have both taking place at once.

Should the panel have been altered or taken out completely if it were so awkward? Maybe. I personally don't think it's all that horrible, and it didn't take away from my reading of Trinity. But others may have results that vary...

[Flash's Lightning]

Some highlights from the Newsarama Trinity #3 interview. (I wish CBR would do an interview with Kurt instead, or perhaps both - I just can't stand Newsarama's new format, it takes too long to load and hurts my eyes.)


A big part of Black Canary's reaction is specific to this situation, though -- they're up against a hugely-powerful monster, and arrows, animal-powers and sonic whammies aren't really going to do the trick. So Dinah's very glad to see them because they're very good at this kind of thing, and she's been fighting, essentially, a holding action, trying to fend off Konvikt while she figures out a solution to the problem. And then they step out of a hole in the sky -- if the League is like the cavalry arriving, the Trinity is the cavalry within the cavalry. They're part of the League, but they're a very welcome part at any time, and in this situation, more so than usual.

Good answer!

The JLA's not as much a coordinated-combat team as, say, the X-Men or even the Avengers, so it's not like the leader needs to stand there and tell Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman what to do. They're an alliance of solo heroes, mostly -- a group of individual champions that come together as needed, so they're used to a lot more individual initiative and independent action than a lot of teams. When they arrive, Dinah barks out a bunch of orders, but they're more about crisis management and allocating her resources at the start of the battle than they are combat commands -- there are people in danger, there are fires burning, they've got to split up to deal with the damage while they try to contain the threat, that sort of thing.

But when the Trinity arrive, most of the League is occupied, downed or exhausted, and the main thing needed is to deal with the big purplish monster. As leader, Black Canary could say "Go get him, Superman," but he doesn't really need to be told that, does he? And she's leader enough to know that. So it's not a failure of leadership that she doesn't boss the Trinity around, it's an awareness that she doesn't have to. League leader is a position that, as far as I'm concerned, is about dealing with decisions that have to be made in the situations they need to be made in, and giving the Leaguers their independence otherwise. Not about acting like a puppeteer and telling everyone what to do at all times.

I haven't seen (or been told) anything that suggests Dinah is an insecure leader, so I didn't write her as one. In that situation, any leader should have felt relief to have some big guns turn up.

It's kind of funny to me that the JLA aren't a combat oriented team considering the threats they face are perhaps more threatening than something the X-Men or Avengers even would face.

For Superman, taking the direct approach -- going head to head with the guy and seeing what they've got -- is going to be the right one the vast majority of the time. The percentage of clashes in which he's flattened by one punch is so small as to be negligible, and even in those situation, what it usually means is that he's learned something about the enemy's capability's that he can react to with the next gambit, dealing with the bad guys from a position of knowledge, rather than being overcautious and not finding out enough about the foe's capabilities.

But then again, letting yourself get punched out just to see how tough the villain is? When you're the JLA's major powerhouse? Probably not a great idea.

[Joe Acro]

Should the panel have been altered or taken out completely if it were so awkward?I think so. I feel sure it could've been conveyed in a similar way, without having her appear to do both at the same time.

I mean, it didn't really affect my reading, since I figured that was the explanation as I was reading, but a different direction in panel layout would've been nice anyway.

[JCAll]

Kurt explained the Canary Cry thing during his interview at Newsarama. I'm sure he'll correct me here if I explain it wrong. :biggrin:

In a perfect comic, you'd have basically several panels. BC screams, takes a deep breath and talks, then screams again. But in this scenario, where space was at a premium, it was understandably an awkward scene which appeared to have both taking place at once.

Should the panel have been altered or taken out completely if it were so awkward? Maybe. I personally don't think it's all that horrible, and it didn't take away from my reading of Trinity. But others may have results that vary...

I've seen Canary scream and talk in the same panel about a billion times.
I'm surprised this one gets to you so much.

[Flash's Lightning]

I've seen Canary scream and talk in the same panel about a billion times.
I'm surprised this one gets to you so much.

I have no idea where you'd get the idea that "it gets to me" given that I said it doesn't bother me - and went out of my way to give Kurt's explanation as to why it makes sense... :wink:

[John Lynch]

After thoroughly enjoying the first 2 issues I was disappointed by this one. In issue 2 all we got was mostly fighting with some plot development. In issue 3 all we got was fighting. If it wasn't for that superb backup, I'd be dumping the series.

However I'll be looking at reviews of issue 4 before making my final decision. If all we get is fighting in issue 4, I'll be dropping it no matter how good the backup is.

The problem I generally have with Busiek is that he focuses so much on the smash-em-up aspect of comics and not much on characters.Thankyou! Now I know why I disliked his run on Superman. I couldn't quite put my finger on it. It also explains why I enjoyed issue 1 (the only fight was an ancillary one done by Flash and his two kids).

[Flash's Lightning]

Thankyou! Now I know why I disliked his run on Superman. I couldn't quite put my finger on it. It also explains why I enjoyed issue 1 (the only fight was an ancillary one done by Flash and his two kids).

Again: have you not heard of Astro City? Kurt does fine with the non-smash 'em ups. It's just that when you're Superman, you do tend to use your powers to...well, Smash things up, to save the world. :wink:

[John Lynch]

have you not heard of Astro City?I'm not sure what that has to do with Trinity or his run on Superman :confused: In these two series he wasn't writing as he did in Astro City, so who cares how he wrote in Astro City?

I haven't said he's a poor writer. Just that I didn't like his Superman run (or Trinity considering reviews on another site state that Issue 4 was just one big fight, exactly like Issue 3 :().

[Stanlos]

Thread staking is frowned upon.

What is thread staking?

[Flash's Lightning]

What is thread staking?

It's when you make a thread without actually stating something.

For example.

Subject: Superman #3467

Body: So what do you think?

or even worse

Body: It comes out tomorrow. Be sure to post what you think!


The idea is as long as you're saying something, an opinion or anything really, then it's okay. But if you're not...then what's the point of making the thread?

[Flash's Lightning]

I'm not sure what that has to do with Trinity or his run on Superman :confused: In these two series he wasn't writing as he did in Astro City, so who cares how he wrote in Astro City?

I haven't said he's a poor writer. Just that I didn't like his Superman run (or Trinity considering reviews on another site state that Issue 4 was just one big fight, exactly like Issue 3 :().

I apologize, I just quoted the wrong one.

Someone above said Kurt Busiek wrote only action etc. It was in response to that.