I'm very disappointed in CBR (JLA WWIII related)

[Flash's Lightning]

You all told me how good Rock of Ages was, and I enjoyed it a lot. But why didn't you tell me how great WWIII is? :cool:

I'm in the middle of World War III right now, I am so completely blown away by how great this story is. I'm on part 5, where Zauriel tells the angels to make a choice whether to defend what is, or to cower and prepare for what will come.

And I have to say, this is one of the finest stories I've read, and I'm not even done yet. I hope it ends as well as it's been going so far.

And I'm kind of sad thinking JLA can't get much better than this, that the rest of the series will be a let down.

[Raker616]

Have you read Waid's Tower Of Babel?, because it comes afer WW3 and it's the best storyline of the last JLA run also the White Martians arc is top notch too.

[Scrubz]

You all told me how good Rock of Ages was, and I enjoyed it a lot. But why didn't you tell me how great WWIII is? :cool:

I'm in the middle of World War III right now, I am so completely blown away by how great this story is. I'm on part 5, where Zauriel tells the angels to make a choice whether to defend what is, or to cower and prepare for what will come.

And I have to say, this is one of the finest stories I've read, and I'm not even done yet. I hope it ends as well as it's been going so far.

And I'm kind of sad thinking JLA can't get much better than this, that the rest of the series will be a let down.

Dude, I had the same sentiments a year ago when I read all of Morrison's JLA run. My favorite comics moment of all time occurs during WWIII: Batman vs. Prometheus. I won't describe it because I don't remember what issue it happens in and you may not have read it yet.

[stealthwise]

I gotta say, maybe it's because I wasn't reading them as they were coming out, but Morrison's JLA has never really impressed me much at all. Like most of his works that I don't care for, there are a lot of ideas thrown out there, but the execution lacks, and the entire thing feels a bit jumbled.

[Scrubz]

Have you read Waid's Tower Of Babel?, because it comes afer WW3 and it's the best storyline of the last JLA run also the White Martians arc is top notch too.

Tower of Babel was great, but in my opinion it does not eclipse anything Morrison did right before Waid took over. Waid is still great though.

[Scrubz]

I gotta say, maybe it's because I wasn't reading them as they were coming out, but Morrison's JLA has never really impressed me much at all. Like most of his works that I don't care for, there are a lot of ideas thrown out there, but the execution lacks, and the entire thing feels a bit jumbled.

I felt that way about Morrison at first, but the more of his stuff I read the more I realized that he is the greatest planter of seeds in comics. Just look at his current run on Batman. There are all kinds of wtf moments early on, but now that R.I.P is happening it is all coming together.

[Flash's Lightning]

Have you read Waid's Tower Of Babel?, because it comes afer WW3 and it's the best storyline of the last JLA run also the White Martians arc is top notch too.

Not yet. Just got done reading the done in one story with the bacteria city and Atom.

[Flash's Lightning]

Dude, I had the same sentiments a year ago when I read all of Morrison's JLA run. My favorite comics moment of all time occurs during WWIII: Batman vs. Prometheus. I won't describe it because I don't remember what issue it happens in and you may not have read it yet.

That was a great moment, but how about when everyone got superpowers, and said they were tired of Superman protecting THEM, it was time for a reversal? Fun stuff.

[Flash's Lightning]

The Tower of Babel arc wasn't too bad. I wasn't disappointed, but I'm a Mark Waid fan. I wish they hadn't done a recap at the beginning of each issue. I have all the issues, so that was useless.

And wow...Batman IS a jerk, isn't he? He could have told the others he came up with plans to counteract them, and they would have understood - I think their main issue is he did it without telling them. He lied.

So am I to take it from the ending that Superman would vote for Batman to be ousted from the team, Batman knew this, and he just left? Guess I'll have to read the next issue to find out...

[dancj]

And wow...Batman IS a jerk, isn't he? He could have told the others he came up with plans to counteract them, and they would have understood - I think their main issue is he did it without telling them. He lied.

Having plans to take down some of the most powerful beings on the planet in case they turned bad just seems sensible to me. Telling them about it would have potentially made those plans less effective.

The only thing Batman did wrong in my eyes was putting his plans where they could be stolen.

[Alex L]

I'm unsure of what to think about that.

On one hand, I don't think telling the JLA that the countermeasures would have made them less effective.

On the other hand, when is a good time to tell Flash you've come up with a way to take him down if he turns heel? Over a cup of coffee in the Watchtower?

And there is the idea that telling the JLA you've devised ways to beat them, does by itself breach some of the teammate-trust. You now know for a fact that one of the people you rely on in the field, is also searching you for weaknesses he can exploit (rather than looking for weaknesses you can improve on).

His countermeasures did seem somewhat barbaric, but oddly I don't mind, because if Bats had to use them there is no way he would have let Flash stay in superspeed-seizure for hours, or Martian Manhunter on fire for any longer than it takes to put him down.

[LtMarvel]

That was a great moment, but how about when everyone got superpowers, and said they were tired of Superman protecting THEM, it was time for a reversal? Fun stuff.
Best. JLA. Moment. Ever!

[Zero Hunter]

Man I must be the only one who thought Morrisons run peaked with Rock of Ages, and just went downhill from there. I thought WWIII was just goofy. It lost me completley with them chaining Superman to the moon so he could move it.

[Scrubz]

Man I must be the only one who thought Morrisons run peaked with Rock of Ages, and just went downhill from there. I thought WWIII was just goofy. It lost me completley with them chaining Superman to the moon so he could move it.

Wait wait wait...comics goofy? Surely you jest.:biggrin:

[Ilash]

Eh, why single out WWIII, when his entire run ruled. Rock of Ages is the highpoint though, I think.

[Syphre Zero]

My favorite comics moment of all time occurs during WWIII: Batman vs. Prometheus.

See, I was torn about this. Prometheus was essentially created (as a character) to be the anti-Batman, so seeing the two of them square off is not only appropriate, but just seems right. But the characterization within the fight - Batman revealing that he had overwritten the helmet's programming - seemed off. The Dark Knight is many things, but I've never imagined him as a man who gleefully shouts, "PROFESSOR STEPHEN HAWKING!" as he lands a haymaker on his opponent. It seemed a bit tacky, and frankly un-Batmannish.

I felt that way about Morrison at first, but the more of his stuff I read the more I realized that he is the greatest planter of seeds in comics.

Indeed. All that talk from Metron about the Fifth World someday arising from Earth to take the place of the Fourth World. I admire Morrison's patience in being able to sit on story threads for years at a time before employing them.

[Scrubz]

See, I was torn about this. Prometheus was essentially created (as a character) to be the anti-Batman, so seeing the two of them square off is not only appropriate, but just seems right. But the characterization within the fight - Batman revealing that he had overwritten the helmet's programming - seemed off. The Dark Knight is many things, but I've never imagined him as a man who gleefully shouts, "PROFESSOR STEPHEN HAWKING!" as he lands a haymaker on his opponent. It seemed a bit tacky, and frankly un-Batmannish.


I totally disagree about things Batman would say. Prometheus wiped the floor with Batman during their initial encounter. I mean Batman says after he wakes up "Well that was humbling." The Stephen Hawking haymaker was so pitch perfect and gleeful. It represents the best type of superhero one liner.

The great thing about a good comics writer is that they take what is coolest about a character and expound upon it. Unlike Brad Meltzer who goes out of his way to character assassinate people he doesn't like a la Kyle Rayner and Wally West. I honestly believe Meltzer is just an angry fanboy who does not know how to write a good superhero story. His Justice League was boring and overwrought with interior monologues. In his six issue Amazo storyline Morrison would have done all he did and make it more interesting in say 2 to 3 issues.

[Faustic Caust]

I remember reading this when it came out. Pretty awful. Some shoddy things must have happened in terms of editorial execution, because I remember it being billed as a six-parter in the early issues and then only being five issues long (or something to that effect). Also, in the prologue/teaser issue, there's a last page shot of Apokalips para-demons landing on the moon, never to be seen again.

There were strange, rushed discontinuities like that, plus the bottoming out of Howard Porter's progressively cringe-inducing art (e.g. a shot of Oracle and what looks like a midget version of Prometheus), plus the wiping out of Wonderworld whilst the heroes of Earth cakewalk on through (moral of the story: even if something poses a credible threat and utterly decimates other, competent individuals, you don't have to really worry, plan, or strategize if you're inherently awesome, things will just work out), which greatly contributed to the otherwise brilliant Grant Morrison's reputation for totally bombing at the end of runs.

[Ilash]

The great thing about a good comics writer is that they take what is coolest about a character and expound upon it. Unlike Brad Meltzer who goes out of his way to character assassinate people he doesn't like a la Kyle Rayner and Wally West. I honestly believe Meltzer is just an angry fanboy who does not know how to write a good superhero story. His Justice League was boring and overwrought with interior monologues. In his six issue Amazo storyline Morrison would have done all he did and make it more interesting in say 2 to 3 issues.

Well that's pretty much a perfect summation of the differences between Meltzer and Morrison. Honestly, I want to like Meltzer's stuff because I can see some genuine writing chops in his work but I don't think he's used to the medium yet. Morrison, on the other hand, is one of today's true masters with the comic book form.