Is Anthro Aurokles?

[Propagandor]

Is Anthro the cave boy from Final Crisis #1 who was visited by Metron related to Aurokles the first superhero created by the New Gods

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Unless Morrison has changed his mind, they're the same guy because Morrison has already said that Metron made Anthro the first super-hero and Aurakles was the first super-hero in Seven Soldiers.

Considering both are blond cavemen made into super-heroes by Metron, it would be pointlessly confusing for them not to be the same dude.

[K26dp]

Thought Aurakles was first, given power by the New Gods... then the Sheeda came and wiped human civilization back to the Stone Age. Anthro would be Metron's second attempt to raise humanity's civilization.

[carabas]

I do seem to recall that Aurakles lived a long, long time before there even were Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons.

I've loaned out the books, so unfortunately I can't check.

[Sijo]

Aurakles also happens to be the name of the alien race that Halo (from the Outsiders) came from. But I guess Morrison couldn't be bothered to do a Google search to find if the name was taken.

[Paul Newell]

Aurakles also happens to be the name of the alien race that Halo (from the Outsiders) came from. But I guess Morrison couldn't be bothered to do a Google search to find if the name was taken.
Or maybe he just used the name of the character that appeared in JLoA #100, back in 1972.

[bfrank]

Or maybe he just used the name of the character that appeared in JLoA #100, back in 1972.

I guess sijo couldn't be bothered with a google search.......

[Michael P]

That would be awesome.

[Jack Zodiac]

Aurakles also happens to be the name of the alien race that Halo (from the Outsiders) came from. But I guess Morrison couldn't be bothered to do a Google search to find if the name was taken.

What the flying !@#$ does that have to do with anything? It's an obvious homage to Kirby's style of modeling supergod-aliens out of existing mythological figures and twisting their names slightly. Makkari? Ikaras? Thena, Zuras, practically all of the Eternals. Aurakles is a riff on Hercules. Marvel has a character called Moondog, but I guess they couldn't be bothered to research obscure post-Jazz movement street composers to find out they were ripping off someone's name, right?

I don't think Anthro is Aurakles. Aurakles supposedly existed millions of years before modern civilization even began, even before the pre-civilizations of Ystin's Camelot and whatever came before. He was supposed to be the very first superhuman, the seed planted millions of years before modern superhumanity, and the inadvertent forbearer of the Sheeda and their Castle Revolving. I believe Anthro is Metron's modern attempt at elevating humanity. Instead of making him an intelligent, powerful god like he did Aurakles, he simply gave him knowledge and allowed him to elevate himself with his gift.

[Ian J.N.]

I don't think Anthro is Aurakles. Aurakles supposedly existed millions of years before modern civilization even began, even before the pre-civilizations of Ystin's Camelot and whatever came before.
That was my thought, but actually the timing's not far off.

"People have been waiting 50,000 years for Vandal Savage to crush civilization beneath his bootheel." (Final Crisis #1)

"40,000 B.C.! The Sky Tribes bring structure to a savage world. They refashion in their own image the primitive inhabitants of primordial Earth. And give them fire, inspiration, and magic." (Seven Soldiers #1)

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Yeah, I think you might be right. Anthro is Metron's second attempt to create a super-human on Earth from a blond caveman.

Geez, that is pointlessly confusing.

Then again, pointlessly confusing is Grant Morrison's middle name sometimes...

[Adam C]

Yeah, I think you might be right. Anthro is Metron's second attempt to create a super-human on Earth from a blond caveman.


But Anthro is portrayed as having brown hair, and in Seven Soldiers, Aurakles is portrayed as having red hair.

Oh dear god, that was so utterly geeky. I feel so ashamed!!!

[Jack Zodiac]

Yeah, I think you might be right. Anthro is Metron's second attempt to create a super-human on Earth from a blond caveman.

Geez, that is pointlessly confusing.

Then again, pointlessly confusing is Grant Morrison's middle name sometimes...

I don't see how or why. It's not like Final Crisis came with the ed. note, "by the way, read Seven Soldiers if you wanna get any of this." Aurakles was given actual power, items of alien technology and enhanced intelligence. He was like the Doc Savage of Neanderthal supermen. Anthro was just given fire and allowed to elevate himself. So I guess he's sort of like the Zorro of Neanderthal supermen.

[carabas]

Yeah, I think you might be right. Anthro is Metron's second attempt to create a super-human on Earth from a blond caveman...It's not so much an attempt at creating a superhuman as it is an example of the New Gods continuing to positively help humanity out and helping them fight their supervillains, as Libra points out later to Vandal Savage, a 'moral imperative' preventing the bad guys from doing any real damage. And now with Darkside's victory this moral imperative has started favouring the bad guys.

[Sijo]

What the flying !@#$ does that have to do with anything?
It's an observation. Don't get your knickers in a bunch over it. :rolleyes:

It's an obvious homage to Kirby's style of modeling supergod-aliens out of existing mythological figures and twisting their names slightly. Makkari? Ikaras? Thena, Zuras, practically all of the Eternals. Aurakles is a riff on Hercules.
NO! Really? I would NEVER have figured that on my own! :biggrin:

Marvel has a character called Moondog, but I guess they couldn't be bothered to research obscure post-Jazz movement street composers to find out they were ripping off someone's name, right? Which would HAVE been a problem if somebody with the rights to *that* Moondog's name decided to bring it up. Of course, there is only so far you can go with originality, and also, only so far as trademarks and copyrights can cover. So in your example, it probably isn't much of a problem.

Nor is it in mine; I'm just citing an actual *fact* of the DC universe, not that obscure, that you'd think somebody would have caught. Or maybe they did and said, "Dude, it's MORRISON! Let him have his way!! He's ALWAYS RIGHT!" :rolleyes:

...Though now that I think of it, it may have been intentional, if they were trying to reuse the Aurakles name to keep a claim on it, the way the various Spider-Women and Captain Marvels were invented over at Marvel to keep a hold on those characters' names. Yes, both DC and Marvel can get pretty paranoid over that.

[carabas]

Aurakles also happens to be the name of the alien race that Halo (from the Outsiders) came from. But I guess Morrison couldn't be bothered to do a Google search to find if the name was taken.
Which would HAVE been a problem if somebody with the rights to *that* Moondog's name decided to bring it up. Of course, there is only so far you can go with originality, and also, only so far as trademarks and copyrights can cover. So in your example, it probably isn't much of a problem.

Nor is it in mine; I'm just citing an actual *fact* of the DC universe, not that obscure, that you'd think somebody would have caught. Or maybe they did and said, "Dude, it's MORRISON! Let him have his way!! He's ALWAYS RIGHT!"
Morrison didn't create Aurakles. Len Wein did in back 1972. I guess that Mike Barr should have done his research better in 1983 when he created Halo then?

[Sijo]

Morrison didn't create Aurakles. Len Wein did in back 1972. I guess that Mike Barr should have done his research better in 1983 when he created Halo then?
Yes he should have. However, back then doing research was a lot harder. My point is, these days you can find such things with a few clicks on the internet. And given how paranoid Marvel and DC are over their "name rights", you'd think they would be more careful about it (remember last year when Marvel wanted to re-use the name Champions -which they had once owned- for a superhero team, but apparently didn't bother to check that it had been in use for a line of Superhero Rpgs since the 80s? Tsk!)

[dotdotdot]

Yes he should have. However, back then doing research was a lot harder. My point is, these days you can find such things with a few clicks on the internet. And given how paranoid Marvel and DC are over their "name rights", you'd think they would be more careful about it (remember last year when Marvel wanted to re-use the name Champions -which they had once owned- for a superhero team, but apparently didn't bother to check that it had been in use for a line of Superhero Rpgs since the 80s? Tsk!)

you made a pointless and stupid observation and you should let it go. no one cares that you recall this name from another pop-culture context. it's just entirely irrelevant.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm still confused as to why the !@#$ it matters if the same company uses the same name for two different things. Or if they used any similar name, at that. I doubt The Manchester Guardian is going to change the name of their paper because of Kirby's character. Or that the band The Outsiders are going to change their name because of Batman's moonlighting gig.

you made a pointless and stupid observation and you should let it go. no one cares that you recall this name from another pop-culture context. it's just entirely irrelevant.

I think that about sums up all of this tangent.

[dotdotdot]

I'm still confused as to why the !@#$ it matters if the same company uses the same name for two different things. Or if they used any similar name, at that. I doubt The Manchester Guardian is going to change the name of their paper because of Kirby's character. Or that the band The Outsiders are going to change their name because of Batman's moonlighting gig.

the guy just wanted you to know that he knew about this little tidbit to feel smart. just completely typical fanboy behavior 101. no offense, guy.

[carabas]

Yes he should have. However, back then doing research was a lot harder. My point is, these days you can find such things with a few clicks on the internet.Well, no. Your point was that Morrison couldn't be bothered to use Google for research, where it turns out that it is you who has failed to use google.

[Dorsai]

I'm not trying to derail the thread but I had an Anthro question that is not exactly related to Aurokles...

In the recent Booster Gold arc, Booster and Ted Kord end up popping into a future where the remnants of the league are fighting Max Lord. One of the members is Anthro sporting a Guy Gardner looking haircut, speaking (although not eloquently), and wearing a Mister Terrific-style jacket with the name Anthro on sleeves.

Should that appearance just be chalked up to being random or is there a story behind that somewhere?

[Jack Zodiac]

Geoff Johns was being cute and using the Azzarello Anthro from Architecture and Mortality, where he, Captain Fear, Dr. 13 and Traci 13, Infectious Lass, Genius Jones, Primeape and a bunch of other forgotten characters try to survive as comic book characters before some writer decides to off 'em or completely send 'em to Limbo. The whole crew has popped up a couple times in previous issues of Booster Gold, aimlessly floating around the timestream.

[Dorsai]

Thanks Jack. I've actually been pulling Booster since #1 so I may have to go back and see where I might have missed them.

[Sean Walsh]

Geoff Johns was being cute and using the Azzarello Anthro from Architecture and Mortality, where he, Captain Fear, Dr. 13 and Traci 13, Infectious Lass, Genius Jones, Primeape and a bunch of other forgotten characters try to survive as comic book characters before some writer decides to off 'em or completely send 'em to Limbo. The whole crew has popped up a couple times in previous issues of Booster Gold, aimlessly floating around the timestream.

This was, of course, in response to and inspired by the shots Azzarello took at the 52 writing team during Architecture and Mortality (they're basically the mostly unseen villains, and at one point we see a Mt. Rushmoresque being, with the likenesses as faces, attack Dr. 13 and Co.

And I'm pretty sure these thing aren't being done in malice - both work a lot for DC, and we'd have heard of any real problems - but out of good fun...

[Jack Zodiac]

Those were barely shots. And I think the only one who was seriously offended by it was Rucka. !@#$, I even bet Morrison loved his caricature. But yeah, that's why I said it was Johns tryin' to be cute and using Brian's goofy castaway team.

[G. Boney]

I'm still confused as to why the !@#$ it matters if the same company uses the same name for two different things.

It doesn't matter at all. Confusion ended.

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[buttler]

If the timelines don't match up, the reason's simple: Grant Morrison created the world in seven days. The fossil evidence is a lie.

[Sijo]

I made a simple observation, not intended to derail the thread (and it didn't) and not intended to show off. But nooo, you people had to take it personally! But at least I know who to ignore from now on.

(But keep snapping at me if you wish. I won't read your comments anyway.) :wink:

[Jack Zodiac]

We're gonna need a bigger cross.