Spider-girl Apperciation and Discussion thread...

[CMBMOOL]

No wI know that there several threads concerning the character, but Why don't we just make one more thread that is basically an Apperciation thread and a discussion thread all in one, that is if Mets is okay with it.....


In fact let me start us off by saying that Spider-girl is a great comic series for those who wish to see Peter age and have a happy ending to his life as Spider-man.

It turly a coming of age story that can be considered a classic for today's female youth.

I'll let you guys take it from here.:redface:

[Jim Thompson]

No wI know that there several threads concerning the character, but Why don't we just make one more thread that is basically an Apperciation thread and a discussion thread all in one, that is if Mets is okay with it.....


In fact let me start us off by saying that Spider-girl is a great comic series for those who wish to see Peter age and have a happy ending to his life as Spider-man.

It turly a coming of age story that can be considered a classic for today's female youth.

I'll let you guys take it from here.:redface:
For me, The Amazing Spider-Girl is the one spider-book that stays truest to the Lee/Ditko version of the character. It's a shame more people don't pick it up.

[ZT4]

DeFalco has joked endlessly about suggestions Spider-Girl be made a cartoon or a movie, it's a shame the market would have a problem with investing in it. It is the definitive story of the Parkers and the legacy of Spider-Man.

[ShaggyB]

DeFalco has joked endlessly about suggestions Spider-Girl be made a cartoon or a movie, it's a shame the market would have a problem with investing in it. It is the definitive story of the Parkers and the legacy of Spider-Man.

But it doesnt sell well enough to warrant a movie or a tv show. It would have made a good what if story in the cartoon back in the 90s though. (though ABC Family is hurting for something good. If i see one more commercial for Greek.......)

Think my biggest issue with Spider-Girl is i feel its just got a been there done that feel to it. Traveler is back... Wow i still hate him from the 90s. he sucked in ASM 394-402 and he still does here (yes i know he wasnt in every issue there. just establishing the time frame)

Bright note is i miss Hobgoblin so its nice to see him used in some way.

To me Spider-girl is alot like Ultimate, its just more of what ive seen before with a twist. (given ultimate is suppose to be that way.)

[Jim Thompson]

Think my biggest issue with Spider-Girl is i feel its just got a been there done that feel to it. See, I have the "been there, done that" feeling when I read ASM these days -- and I read Spider-Girl to remind myself how good the Spider-verse can be.

[ZT4]

To me Spider-girl is alot like Ultimate, its just more of what ive seen before with a twist. (given ultimate is suppose to be that way.)

Ultimate does a lot of fresh things, I feel I'm reading new Spidey there more than 616.

You could say that of most comics as well ("been there, done that"). At least Spider-Girl doesnt try and make the characters unrecognisible, and Mayday forces the gender to change priorities.

[ShaggyB]

See, I have the "been there, done that" feeling when I read ASM these days -- and I read Spider-Girl to remind myself how good the Spider-verse can be.

Fair enough. Im the opposite. Just feels like second attempts at old plots to me.

Ultimate does a lot of fresh things, I feel I'm reading new Spidey there more than 616.

You could say that of most comics as well ("been there, done that"). At least Spider-Girl doesnt try and make the characters unrecognisible, and Mayday forces the gender to change priorities.

Ultimate reminds me of a The movie Franchise. It takes the concept of the story and tweaks it. Venom is a great example of that in Ultimate.

Mayday forcing a priority changes doesnt happen for me. Just reminds me of a female pete from way back when. (guess its suppose to but i just dont like it like you guys do.)
as to Unrecognizable.... I still recognize Pete as Spider-man so.... Not sure what you are getting at. Either way this is a thread on ASG not ASM and BND.

[Jim Thompson]

Ultimate reminds me of a The movie Franchise. It takes the concept of the story and tweaks it. Venom is a great example of that in Ultimate.Yeah, I tend to agree with this (though Peter seems older in the movies).

[ShaggyB]

Yeah, I tend to agree with this (though Peter seems older in the movies).

not sure if i like the 15 year old feel of Ultimate either. I mean i get that spidey was young when he got powers but i always thought of him as mature for his age. dont get that in ultimate.

[Tetsuo_man]

not sure if i like the 15 year old feel of Ultimate either. I mean i get that spidey was young when he got powers but i always thought of him as mature for his age. dont get that in ultimate.

Well he at least he's more mature than...wait naw won't say it.

Anyway back to spider-girl. Love the comic. Always been a fan of Defalco and Frenz as a team.

[bentleyml]

I enjoy Spider-Girl. It's a fun comic and feels like the old days, without feeling like it is rehashing old stories even when it uses old plot threads.

[CMBMOOL]

You know at times I still can't believe that Defalco created the MC-2 universe, just from one What If ? Spider-man title. :tongue:


I mean look how far the series has gotten since then.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

What can I say about this series that hasn't already been said? It rocks. May and her supporting cast are all people I've come to care about in the few months since I've started reading the book. I've even gone back in read some of the issues when the series was called Spider-Girl and there was no "Amazing" on the title.

Those Spider folks are a resourceful lot when it comes to staring in only a one shot tale. Spider-Man wasn't intended to go anywhere beyond Amazing Fantasy #15, but 46 years later, he's still around. Spider-Girl was only supposed to be a story for What If...? #105, vol. 2. 10 years later, she's still here.

[Jim Thompson]

What can I say about this series that hasn't already been said? It rocks. May and her supporting cast are all people I've come to care about in the few months since I've started reading the book. I've even gone back in read some of the issues when the series was called Spider-Girl and there was no "Amazing" on the title.

Those Spider folks are a resourceful lot when it comes to staring in only a one shot tale. Spider-Man wasn't intended to go anywhere beyond Amazing Fantasy #15, but 46 years later, he's still around. Spider-Girl was only supposed to be a story for What If...? #105, vol. 2. 10 years later, she's still here.And I hope she never leaves. Spider-Girl is the most enjoyable book in the Spider-verse right now!

[Joe Acro]

But it doesnt sell well enough to warrant a movie or a tv show.
I think it not selling well means that they should try a TV show to garner interest. Unfortunately, Spider-Man has a show right now, so it might seem redundant.

I typically enjoy Spider-Girl, but as of late I'm getting a little frustrated with it. This latest issue especially. The star of our story just keeps doing stupid things.

[CMBMOOL]

I typically enjoy Spider-Girl, but as of late I'm getting a little frustrated with it. This latest issue especially. The star of our story just keeps doing stupid things.

That because she is a CLONE!!!! :tongue:

[Joe Acro]

That because she is a CLONE!!!! :tongue:
That doesn't seem to stop Kaine from being smart.:wink:

[ZT4]

Mayday is a girl who wants to please everyone at the expense of her own happyness at times, what she's doing has happened to people in real life.

As for the "changeling", I think it'll become an adopted Parker, and, like Ben, give Mayday a "twin sister" that can play havoc with her social life or benefit it.

[lazlo_toth]

That because she is a CLONE!!!! :tongue:

There is no way that Mayday is the clone. I just refuse to believe that the lessons of the Clone Saga didn't sink in on some level. This is another salvo in what appears to be an ongoing feud between the Parker and Osborne clans.

And Mayday is sixteen. Even ridiculously smart sixteen-year-olds do incredibly stupid things, like get involved with overbearing jealous dickhead control freaks. That said, the sooner she tells Flash Jr. to piss off, the better. It's getting to the point where that self-centered idiot's strutting around without getting taken down a peg or two is making the book less enjoyable for me.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

And Mayday is sixteen. Even ridiculously smart sixteen-year-olds do incredibly stupid things, like get involved with overbearing jealous dickhead control freaks. That said, the sooner she tells Flash Jr. to piss off, the better. It's getting to the point where that self-centered idiot's strutting around without getting taken down a peg or two is making the book less enjoyable for me.

Ah, so Gene Thompson isn't sitting too well with you either? I missed a lot of the SG books and my first issue of ASG was #19. So ASG #21 was when it hit me that Gene is one self centered mofo. Maybe he'll be the one to bite it if we're lucky. Though, I don't know a lot about Wes, I think he'd be a much better boyfriend for May than Mr. Me-Myself-and-I.

[ZT4]

The point of Mayday's relationship with Gene is she actually knows he's an idiot, but she "wants to make it work", she knows it's doomed and it's only for the sake of her own ego that she wont let it go.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

May's relationship with Gene does trick me as a one that is "doomed to fail." I mean, Gene's got his head so far up his own butt he can't see anything but himself. I think Wes would make a much better boyfriend.

[Joe Acro]

I think Wes would make a much better boyfriend.
It seems to me that DeFalco is building to that.

[ZT4]

May's relationship with Gene does trick me as a one that is "doomed to fail." I mean, Gene's got his head so far up his own butt he can't see anything but himself. I think Wes would make a much better boyfriend.

Wes is the man, and likely going to be Mayday's first real anchor since Normie got married, she clearly loves him on the right levels (friend first, lover second), and had interest in him before he told her Davina asked him out (Kirby has to feel slightly guilty for that, since it all but cost Wes Mayday presently)

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Wes is the man, and likely going to be Mayday's first real anchor since Normie got married, she clearly loves him on the right levels (friend first, lover second), and had interest in him before he told her Davina asked him out (Kirby has to feel slightly guilty for that, since it all but cost Wes Mayday presently)

Whoa! I must have missed this! When did it happen? This is what I get for coming on board so late in the game.

[ZT4]

Whoa! I must have missed this! When did it happen? This is what I get for coming on board so late in the game.

Normie married Brenda Drago (Raptor) in the closing issues of the original Spider-Girl series, but several "haullcinations" he has of his grandfather reveals he truley still loves only Mayday. Mayday's trying to move on of course, and picking all the wrong people.

Normie's returned for "Brand New May" of course, since Tom missed writing him. No sign of Brenda yet, but they might kill her off so they can set up Normie and Mayday's relationship again (with Wes caught in the middle)

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Normie married Brenda Drago (Raptor) in the closing issues of the original Spider-Girl series, but several "haullcinations" he has of his grandfather reveals he truley still loves only Mayday. Mayday's trying to move on of course, and picking all the wrong people.

Normie's returned for "Brand New May" of course, since Tom missed writing him. No sign of Brenda yet, but they might kill her off so they can set up Normie and Mayday's relationship again (with Wes caught in the middle)

Interesting stuff. Normie's gotta be a few years older than Mayday, though, I know she's 16. What is Normie, 19, 20?

[ZT4]

Interesting stuff. Normie's gotta be a few years older than Mayday, though, I know she's 16. What is Normie, 19, 20?

I think he's four years ahead of Mayday, so 20 is probably accurate.

[Shade 20x6]

Since when is four years an insurmountable gap?

[ZT4]

Peter's used it as a crutch against Normie and Mayday's fascination with him.

[Venom]

Amazing Spider-Girl is the perfect combination of a 60s and 90s style comic mixed into one. I actually feel that this series is better than its predecessor title, Spider-Girl. I love the way how they've make good use of all of the supporting characters and villains.

Hobgoblin and Carnage were handled brilliantly. I look forward to the day that Roderick Kingsley returns. I also hope that somewhere down the line that they'll do another Carnage story. I’d also like to see some more classic Spidey villains appear like the Lizard, Mysterio and the Scorpion.

I love Tom DeFalco's writing, Ron Frenz's artwork and Sal Buscema's inks. They're all a great bunch of people as well. I've had three different letters printed in Amazing Spider-Girl so far. The first one was in #2, the second one was in #12 and the third was in #17. I intend to get a fourth letter printed, but for now I'm letting other people write in. Plus I don't want to start pissing Tom off by keep writing in.

[ZT4]

Dude, you wont piss anyone off writing in multiple times. Peter Laird (co-creator of TMNT) published about seven consecutive issues with letters from me.

[Shade 20x6]

Amazing Spider-Girl is the perfect combination of a 60s and 90s style comic mixed into one. I actually feel that this series is better than its predecessor title, Spider-Girl. I love the way how they've make good use of all of the supporting characters and villains.

Hobgoblin and Carnage were handled brilliantly. I look forward to the day that Roderick Kingsley returns. I also hope that somewhere down the line that they'll do another Carnage story. I’d also like to see some more classic Spidey villains appear like the Lizard, Mysterio and the Scorpion.

I love Tom DeFalco's writing, Ron Frenz's artwork and Sal Buscema's inks. They're all a great bunch of people as well. I've had three different letters printed in Amazing Spider-Girl so far. The first one was in #2, the second one was in #12 and the third was in #17. I intend to get a fourth letter printed, but for now I'm letting other people write in. Plus I don't want to start pissing Tom off by keep writing in.

If they didn't like for you to keep writing in, they wouldn't keep printing your letters.

[Venom]

Dude, you wont piss anyone off writing in multiple times. Peter Laird (co-creator of TMNT) published about seven consecutive issues with letters from me.

Seven times in a row! :eek: You must've written some good letters to get that many printed.

[Venom]

If they didn't like for you to keep writing in, they wouldn't keep printing your letters.

Good point. I'm gonna try and get a letter printed for #30 as that could be the last issue of Amazing Spider-Girl. Thanks for the advice guys.

[ZT4]

Seven times in a row! :eek: You must've written some good letters to get that many printed.

Well...that and I began taking pot-shots at other regular readers that were disagreeing with his political views:cool:

[CMBMOOL]

Now I know that there is a upcoming prequel to Spider-girl entitled Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man, but could there also be a prequel to the other MC-2 Universe heroes and teams.....

Like for example how does the Lyja and Human torch relationship held up within the MC-2 universe as opposed to the Marvel Universe ?

Or How did the X-men vanish and who of the Avengers are still living in the MC-2 world ?

Isn't anyone a little curious as of how this world got start, outside the Spider-girl history ? :frown:

[ZT4]

There are things that DeFalco addressed and resolved in the "Last Hero Standing" and "Last Planet Standing" mini-series, but I dont beleive we've had the story of The Avengers against their alternate universe counterparts or Storm and Lyja's reconciliation (that depends on a different outcome from the Onslaught arc, Lyja hid herself amongst the public after Johnny "died" and has only recently returned, though she's far removed from the character she had been intelligently built up as)

[Alan2099]

They actually did explain what happened to the Avengers.

They fought an entire reality where the nazi's won Wordl War II that was now being ruled by Dr. Doom. Every Superhuman on that earth had to join his forces or die. The Avengers went into that reality and managed to seal it, although they suffered MAJOR heavy casualities. Casualties so bad, that the team broke up when they returned and didn't come back together until the A-Next team started.

Granted, we didn't see it on pannel, but when know most of the major details about the story.

[ZT4]

Guess I need to become more of an MC2 fan then.

...That or just hope they do a mini-series on that.

[CMBMOOL]

They actually did explain what happened to the Avengers.

They fought an entire reality where the nazi's won Wordl War II that was now being ruled by Dr. Doom. Every Superhuman on that earth had to join his forces or die. The Avengers went into that reality and managed to seal it, although they suffered MAJOR heavy casualities. Casualties so bad, that the team broke up when they returned and didn't come back together until the A-Next team started.

Granted, we didn't see it on pannel, but when know most of the major details about the story.


You're right the Avengers demise was told within the pages of A-Next #7, but who on the original reserved Avengers roster still lived after that final fight, and I don't mean those we recently seen in various MC-2 series. :redface:

[gorthon616]

Random question (on and off reader), Aunt May is dead in this reality right? I've never seen her nor seen a reference to her.

But it doesnt sell well enough to warrant a movie or a tv show. It would have made a good what if story in the cartoon back in the 90s though. (though ABC Family is hurting for something good. If i see one more commercial for Greek.......)

Batman Beyond wasn't a comic book property at all and it worked as a cartoon. Personally, I think it's the perfect property for a cartoon. They'd have to re-make the future as being a bit more futurey though. Not 2099 future, but maybe like a Back to the Future 2 kinda future.

[CMBMOOL]

Random question (on and off reader), Aunt May is dead in this reality right? I've never seen her nor seen a reference to her.





Yes, Aunt May is dead in this reality. :redface:

[Alan2099]

Random question (on and off reader), Aunt May is dead in this reality right? I've never seen her nor seen a reference to her.
She was shown once. Aunt May showed up and saved her life as her guardian angel, but Mayday didn't recognize her at all, nor did she know who the woman was when she saw a picture of her in her house. So apparently Aunt May has been dead quite some time.

[kcaroli]

They did show Aunt May in the time travel story from Spidergirl vol.1 in I think issue 10. May traveled back to when Peter was 15/16 equivalent to issue 25 of ASM. she also met a teenage MJ before Peter actually did. From everything l've read it seems May's death in ASM 400 stands here as her 616 survival was after the point where the two universes diverged.
Although l wasn't reading SPIDERMAN or any comics in the 90's [having stopped about 1986-87]l still enjoy that ASG feels like the logical outcome of the MU ca. 1998 when Spiderman was rebooted and the What if story established the 'seed' of MC2. Lately,l find more than half of the comics l read are MC2, though many of those are older issues since ASG is the only ongoing.
Since getting into the MC2 books late last year l've managed to get three of the Spidergirl tpbs andall the digests as well as the whole run of ASG.l'm not having much luck finding a store nearby with the later issues of vol.1. Eventually, l'll probably try to get them online though l can't afford to right now. l'm enjoying the American Dream mini so far and have the Avengers Reborn and Fantastic Five ones none of which dissappointed me. Still looking for Last Hero Standing though l recently found Last Planet Standing.
Perhaps because l was initially into comics in the 70's and 80's the 'old school' style appeals to me. While l've enjoyed a few newer books it often feels like almost nothing happens in them.The MC2 books rarely do that. As an artist myself l love 'pretty pictures' but some decompressed books seem to forget that comics are as much a written as a visual medium.There seems to have been an attempt to turn them into movie storyboards with more finshed art. Those who prefer this approach sometimes criticize ASG and the other MC2 books as a hokey throwback to the silver age. While l'm not saying all comics should be like it l'm glad it exists and hope it continues to.
l was drawn to ASG due to OMD/BND and paricularly enjoyed the family dynamic. But l've come to like the rest of the MC2 world. lf l have a criticism it is the killng/crippling/retiring of most of the heroes of the previous generation though l realize it was to allow the new younger heroes to shine. My only other complaint is not being able to get more of it. l'mlooking forward to the upcoming tales of MR. and MRS. Spiderman in ASMF.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Is Marvel going to release the remaining 50 issues of Spider-Girl in trade form? The earliest issues of SG I have are #7, #17, and #62. My comic shop still has some of the earlier issues and later issues of SG, but I'm sure fans would love to see the next 50 issues published in digest form or TBP formate.

[ZT4]

Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man I hope also inspires Marvel to tell early MC2 storylines, or at least reveal the events of the universe from Spidey's POV

[chelseaboy81]

hi there thinking of reading spidergirl whats it like any good

[ZT4]

hi there thinking of reading spidergirl whats it like any good

There's about a gazillion threads about Spider-Girl here. Use them.

And yeah, if you want a mythology that doesnt BS you as a fan of comics or heroes, it's excellent.

[Nick MB]

It's okay. If you like plot elements from the clone saga, told in the style of 80s Spidey comics, you'll love it.

[CMBMOOL]

hi there thinking of reading spidergirl whats it like any good


If you enjoy Spider-man FINALLY getting his happy ending, then this is the series for you. :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

Is Marvel going to release the remaining 50 issues of Spider-Girl in trade form? The earliest issues of SG I have are #7, #17, and #62. My comic shop still has some of the earlier issues and later issues of SG, but I'm sure fans would love to see the next 50 issues published in digest form or TBP formate.

Don't you mean 49 because issue #51 was in Digist #7 of Spider-girl.

[CMBMOOL]

May's relationship with Gene does trick me as a one that is "doomed to fail." I mean, Gene's got his head so far up his own butt he can't see anything but himself. I think Wes would make a much better boyfriend.

I guess you have just seen Amazing Spider-girl #23, because that is what happened in the issue. :tongue:

[CMBMOOL]

Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man I hope also inspires Marvel to tell early MC2 storylines, or at least reveal the events of the universe from Spidey's POV
Who knows if the prequel will explain the Johnny and Lyja marriage or the Black Cat and Flash Thompson marriage. :redface:

[CMBMOOL]

Normie married Brenda Drago (Raptor) in the closing issues of the original Spider-Girl series, but several "haullcinations" he has of his grandfather reveals he truley still loves only Mayday. Mayday's trying to move on of course, and picking all the wrong people.

Normie's returned for "Brand New May" of course, since Tom missed writing him. No sign of Brenda yet, but they might kill her off so they can set up Normie and Mayday's relationship again (with Wes caught in the middle)

Actually they were previous cameoed in #16 of Amazing Spider-girl.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Don't you mean 49 because issue #51 was in Digist #7 of Spider-girl.

You may know better than I do. I read the digests only collect the first #50 issues of Spider-Girl.

[Matt Linton]

I finally read the first three Spider-Girl digests and really enjoyed them. I cringed a bit when Kaine showed up, but if I just think of him as a threatening character without dredging up all the Clone Saga stuff, it doesn't bother me.

Loved the Spider-Girl/Spider-Man team up in the second digest and Darkdevil is growing on me as a character. I haven't been spoiled about too much, and I'm trying to avoid any further spoilers, but my speculation so far is that Darkdevil is Ben Reilly. Don't know if it's been revealed or not, but I'll find out as I'm reading.

[ZT4]

You may want to pick up "The Buzz/Darkdevil" digest at some point Matt...though you will be spoiled immediatly if you do, better wait until things are revealed in Spider-Girl.

[Tetsuo_man]

Matt your kinda close on darkdevil's identity but still off.

[ShaggyB]

Batman Beyond wasn't a comic book property at all and it worked as a cartoon. Personally, I think it's the perfect property for a cartoon. They'd have to re-make the future as being a bit more futurey though. Not 2099 future, but maybe like a Back to the Future 2 kinda future.

while i liked Batman Beyond and i enjoyed The Batman.... neither hold a candle to Batman the animated series. If given the choice id be all over that one.

Though mentioning 2099 made me really want a Spider-man 2099 animated movie.

[Alan2099]

If you enjoy Spider-man FINALLY getting his happy ending, then this is the series for you. :redface:

I wouldn't say it's a happy ending for the guy, he's crippled and seems a lot more bitter and angrier than the Peter we're used to, but it's one that fits the character.

[Matt Linton]

You may want to pick up "The Buzz/Darkdevil" digest at some point Matt...though you will be spoiled immediatly if you do, better wait until things are revealed in Spider-Girl.

I plan to read through Spider-Girl first, then go back and look for the other MC2 stuff. Are there digests for A-Next, J2, Wild Thing, Fantastic Five, etc?

[ZT4]

I wouldn't say it's a happy ending for the guy, he's crippled and seems a lot more bitter and angrier than the Peter we're used to, but it's one that fits the character.

He can still get it up with only one leg...I'd say that qualifies for happy closure:tongue:

Peter's definatly much moodier in Spider-Girl, but that's what you get when you're involved in the forensics department and see body after body, knowing you cant do anything the way you used to

I plan to read through Spider-Girl first, then go back and look for the other MC2 stuff. Are there digests for A-Next, J2, Wild Thing, Fantastic Five, etc?

Yes.

[Mister Mets]

while i liked Batman Beyond and i enjoyed The Batman.... neither hold a candle to Batman the animated series. If given the choice id be all over that one.

Though mentioning 2099 made me really want a Spider-man 2099 animated movie.I'm suddenly surprised that Marvel's never done an MC2/ 2099 crossover.

[Arrogantcur]

I wouldn't say it's a happy ending for the guy, he's crippled and seems a lot more bitter and angrier than the Peter we're used to, but it's one that fits the character.

Overall he's happy, though. He worries about his daughter the same way MJ used to worry about him, for the same reasons. That's resulted in some arguments and ugly scenes between the two of them, but the majority of the time he's enjoying his retirement.

He's also coped with the loss of his leg pretty well. Reed Richards offered him a bionic prosthetic but he turned it down, so apparently he feels he can manage all right. I've read a good deal of the first Spider-Girl series too, and I've never seen him lamenting the loss of his leg. He sure wishes he still had it when he's rash enough to put on his old constume and try web-slinging again, though! :tongue:

[Jim Thompson]

while i liked Batman Beyond and i enjoyed The Batman.... neither hold a candle to Batman the animated series. If given the choice id be all over that one.

Though mentioning 2099 made me really want a Spider-man 2099 animated movie.I think Batman Beyond was the best Batman animated series they've put out yet. Terry McGuiness rocks!

[ReggieWhiteJr]

I think Batman Beyond was the best Batman animated series they've put out yet. Terry McGuiness rocks!

Batman Beyond should have sucked, but it was freaking AWESOME! There was even a homage to the cover of ASM #33 in either season 2 or 3.

[Matt Linton]

Appropriate, since Terry was pretty much Spider-Bat-Man. :)

[Jim Thompson]

Appropriate, since Terry was pretty much Spider-Bat-Man. :)Seemed a great synthesis of the two characters, didn't he?

[Arrogantcur]

I think Batman Beyond was the best Batman animated series they've put out yet. Terry McGuiness rocks!

Yeah I liked that series too.

[ZT4]

Appropriate, since Terry was pretty much Spider-Bat-Man. :)

Batman Beyond was very much based on Spidey and Spidey 2099 anyway.

[Venom]

Batman Beyond was very much based on Spidey and Spidey 2099 anyway.

Oh yeah. Probably why I liked the series so much. I loved Terry's wit.

[Jim Thompson]

Oh yeah. Probably why I liked the series so much. I loved Terry's wit.The whole series was wonderful, but one of the true highlights of that series was during The Return of the Joker. The resolution to the conflict between Terry and the Joker was classic -- and certainly something Bruce would have never thought to do!

[Arrogantcur]

Oh yeah. Probably why I liked the series so much. I loved Terry's wit.

Best showcased in the series finale with the return of the Joker.

From IMDB...

The Joker: [Batman puts the Joker in an arm lock] What are you doing?
Terry McGinnis: Fighting dirty.
The Joker: The real Batman would never -
[as Batman tightens his arm lock]
The Joker: Ooh!
Terry McGinnis: Told you you didn't know me.
[releases him]
The Joker: Funny guy...
Terry McGinnis: Can't say the same for you.
The Joker: Impudent brat... who do you think you're talking to?
Terry McGinnis: Not a comedian, I'll tell you that.
The Joker: [draws a laser pistol] Shut your mouth!
[fires at Batman]
Terry McGinnis: [retreats into the rafters] The real Batman never talked to you much, did he? That's probably why you were so fixated on him.
[tossing a bat-arang, knocking the gun out of Joker's hand]
Terry McGinnis: Don't play psychoanalyst with me, boy!
The Joker: Oh, I don't need a degree to figure you out.
[hits the lights with a bat-arang, turning them off]
Terry McGinnis: The real reason you kept coming back was you never got a laugh out of the old man.
The Joker: I'm not hearing this...
Terry McGinnis: Get a clue, clowny! He's got no sense of humor! He wouldn't know a good joke if it bit him in the cape... not that you ever had a good joke.
The Joker: Shut up... shut up!
Terry McGinnis: I mean, joy-buzzers, squirting flowers, lame! Where's the "A" material? Make a face, drop your pants, something!
The Joker: Show yourself!
Terry McGinnis: You make me laugh. But only 'cause I think you're kinda pathetic.
[mimics the Joker laugh]
The Joker: Stop that!
Terry McGinnis: [still laughing] So you fell in a tank of acid, got your skin bleached and decided to become a supervillain. What? You couldn't get a job as a rodeo clown?
[continues laughing]
The Joker: [pulling out some grenades] Don't you dare laugh at me!...
Terry McGinnis: [laughs more] Why? I thought the Joker always wanted to make Batman laugh!
The Joker: YOU'RE NOT BATMAN!

[Jim Thompson]

Best showcased in the series finale with the return of the Joker.

From IMDB...Yep, that's it! Great scene!

Funny thing about that scene -- Terry's laughter during it is actually a little disturbing. I certainly wouldn't want Batman to start laughing like that at me.

[Venom]

Return of the Joker was fantastic. Best animated Batman movie in my opinion.

[Matt Linton]

Okay, I've now read through the powerless Spider-Girl arc and I'm still really liking the book. May's got a pretty good Rogue's Gallery (though I prefer the newer villains to the legacy/reimagined ones).

One thing that's becoming clearer as the book goes on is that other writers really should come on to flesh out some of the side characters. Not so much in Spider-Girl itself, but the Ladyhawkes, The Man Called Nova, and others. Full credit to DeFalco, though, because he's got a really interesting version of the Marvel Universe going, at least at the Spidey/FF end. I'm still not sold on A-Next being the Avengers, and the X-Men seem conspicuously absent.

[ZT4]

That's kind of the point about A-Next...there rank ametures, they KNOW there rank ametures, but there trying not to be in the public eye

[Arrogantcur]

I'm still not sold on A-Next being the Avengers, and the X-Men seem conspicuously absent.

Jubilee is in charge of that generation's band of mutant heroes, and she's named them the "Uncanny X-People." They show up a couple times in J2, as do Cyclops and Wolverine.

As Logan says to J2 at one point: "(Jubilee)'s a good judge of people...even if she's lousy when it comes t'namin' a team." :tongue:

[ReggieWhiteJr]

What exactly did happen to the X-Men in the MC2 world?

[CMBMOOL]

What exactly did happen to the X-Men in the MC2 world?
That is a good question to ask if anyone is going to Comic-con International, next week. :biggrin:

[Arrogantcur]

What exactly did happen to the X-Men in the MC2 world?

It's unclear. Wolverine hooked up with Elektra, conceived a kid with her (who would become Wild Thing after she passed puberty and got some powers), and went into semi-retirement.

Jubilee recruited some new students and began teaching them. Originally there were five, but now with Nancy Lu joining the X-People I guess there are at least six.

Cyclops showed up at the school once for a training session, and single-handedly defeated Jubilee's entire team AND J2 along with them, before going for a walk with J2 and telling him the story of Cain Marko's final mission with the X-Men.

Yes, the original Juggernaut joined the team, and on his final mission the team consisted of him, Wolverine as leader, and a bunch of others (I don't believe any of the others were from the "All-New, All-Different" team). They were in space and needed to keep a race of evil monster things from getting to Earth by closing a portal. One of them had to stay behind and close it from that side while the others used it to return to Earth. Wolverine commanded everybody else to go home while he stayed behind, but Juggernaut had other ideas: he picked Wolvie up and threw him through the portal before he closed it himself, confident that he'd eventually be able to find his way home.

Over a decade later he was rescued by J2, Doc Magus and 3/4 of the original Defenders (Namor, Dr. Strange and the Hulk). I have no idea where all of the other X-Men besides Wolvie and Juggie went; I guess they retired too.

[nester]

To all those who watched Batman Beyond and read Spider-Girl,

Would you say Peter has as big a role in SG as Bruce had in BB? I don't think Batman Beyond would have been nearly as good as it was if Bruce Wayne had less of a role in the series.

[Alan2099]

What exactly did happen to the X-Men in the MC2 world?

Spider-girl has shown that mutant predjudice is almost unheard of anymore, so maybe they just don't have much to do these days.

And while we're talking about teams, how about the original Defenders getting back together. That was pretty cool.

[Arrogantcur]

Spider-girl has shown that mutant predjudice is almost unheard of anymore, so maybe they just don't have much to do these days.

Except there's that anti-mutant hate group that's appeared in recent issues. I'd guess that in that future, anti-mutant zealots are like the KKK; there are a lot fewer of them than in the past, but there are still pockets here and there.

Besides, the X-Men were only partially about making mutants look good. The other reason they fought the good fight was to make the world a better place for everybody.

[CMBMOOL]

Man, the preview for Amazing Spider-girl #25 is something else...:tongue:


http://marvel.com/news/comics.4200.FIRST_LOOK%3A_October_2008_Spider-Man_Comics

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/spookymonk/imwan/4200new_storyimage6318971_full.jpg

AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL #25
Written by TOM DEFALCO
Pencils & Cover by RON FRENZ
Zombie Variant by PAT OLLIFE
With her life stolen by the mysterious Brand New May and her father in the hands of Fury, the Goblin Queen, a gravely injured Spider-Girl must carve a new life for herself as friends turn against her and old enemies come to her aid--and that's just the beginning of this double-sized 25th issue spectacular!

[CMBMOOL]

Still I must say with the solicts of #25 already out, it still reveals to what it seems like another Deja vu moment with the Clone Saga, only this time it's May who suffers it. :redface:

[Arrogantcur]

I really hope that this isn't the beginning of the end of the series.

[ZT4]

Issue 25 (issue 125 in an uninterupted sense) definatly looks like it'll be where "Brand New May" concludes, as the description reads,, Mayday's life is shattered at the beggining of the issue (carrying on from the previous issue's ending), so where things stand at it's conclusion we don't know.

It definatly looks like Tom is really bringing a sense of finality to proceedings. Mayday's identity has to be exposed to her freinds for her life to be screwed up the way it is. Perhaps Wes be the only person who sees the good that Mayday has done regardless of her autenticity...and the issue ends with a bittersweet ending of the two getting together, but Mayday's social life is ruined.

With only five issues left until the speculated "final issue", there's not much scope to make out of this new status quoe.

[Matt Linton]

Quick question: Where do Last Hero Standing and Last Planet Standing fall in Spider-Girl continuity? Between what issues, I mean.

Thanks!

[ZT4]

Quick question: Where do Last Hero Standing and Last Planet Standing fall in Spider-Girl continuity? Between what issues, I mean.

Thanks!

I wouldnt know really, both are quite inconsequetial to the actual title (an event that doesnt have ramifications in titles...bliss isnt it?:cool: ), though at one point Quesada wanted to tie in LPS with the conclusion of Spider-Girl and kill off Mayday during it, but Tom and the fanbase protested (it's suspected however that this was only done as a rib on Tom and to help sales...which contributed to the launch of Amazing Spider-Girl)

[Venom]

Quick question: Where do Last Hero Standing and Last Planet Standing fall in Spider-Girl continuity? Between what issues, I mean.

Thanks!

Last Planet Standing takes place before Amazing Spider-Girl #1.

[Matt Linton]

Cool. Thanks, guys.

[CMBMOOL]

Quick question: Where do Last Hero Standing and Last Planet Standing fall in Spider-Girl continuity? Between what issues, I mean.

Thanks!


Well as I recall, the events of Last Hero Standing brought back the Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and Scott Lang's Ant-man back as teachers towards the Avengers and they appeared within issues # 93-95....

Actually that is kind of ironic, given the status quo of these heroes within the regular Marvel Universe...

http://spiderfan.org/comics/title/spidergirl-4.html

[CMBMOOL]

I'm serious I mean this series have been around for 10 years and yet it still gets little love from Marvel. :frown:


I mean what can be done about it's sales and it's history. I mean I know that there is a prequel coming, but it's all about Spider-man's history and how it connects into Spider-girl's past and present.

There are a lot of popluar Marvel writers here today and anyone of them can help lend a hand and assist Tom Defalco and co. into further explaining the history of this timeline. :frown:

What do you guys think about it ?

[ZT4]

I'm serious I mean this series have been around for 10 years and yet it still gets little love from Marvel. :frown:

Ten years, outlasting ASM's sinking ship of bad retcons and directionless storylines, a public endorsement by the current EIC, and his own personal stamp on the elongation on Brand New May? Marvel give it the love it's earned. DeFalco has even addressed WHY it can't get more attention (it'll take the spotlight off of Spider-Man and subject what is arguably a cult niche with an untested and ignorant mainstream)

[Alan2099]

Well as I recall, the events of Last Hero Standing brought back the Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and Scott Lang's Ant-man back as teachers towards the Avengers and they appeared within issues # 93-95....

Actually that is kind of ironic, given the status quo of these heroes within the regular Marvel Universe...

http://spiderfan.org/comics/title/spidergirl-4.html

I really think how Avengers split up in MC2 was hundreds of times better than the reason they split in Disassembled.

[CMBMOOL]

Ten years, outlasting ASM's sinking ship of bad retcons and directionless storylines, a public endorsement by the current EIC, and his own personal stamp on the elongation on Brand New May? Marvel give it the love it's earned. DeFalco has even addressed WHY it can't get more attention (it'll take the spotlight off of Spider-Man and subject what is arguably a cult niche with an untested and ignorant mainstream)

You know you maybe right about all those facts, but compare that towards Power Girl and the attention that DC comics and Didio gave her and her new status quo.

[Mister Mets]

You know you maybe right about all those facts, but compare that towards Power Girl and the attention that DC comics and Didio gave her and her new status quo.There's a greater potential for cross-promotion with Power Girl, given her ties to monthly book JSA Classified and Justice Society of America.

[CMBMOOL]

There's a greater potential for cross-promotion with Power Girl, given her ties to monthly book JSA Classified and Justice Society of America.

And yet Mets, until the events of Infinite Crisis DC Comics barely acknowledge Power Girl's history, along with the history of the Earth-2 Trinity.:mad:

I know this because in every history book that I have read about them so far, has yet to acknowledge the seperation of Earth-1 and Earth-2.

I mean when they, DC and other history books, mention Superman and Lois wedding in the 90s, they forget to mention that the characters were previously already married on Earth-2, just before the events Of COIE. :evilangry:


I just wished that they mention that part of DC comics history, just like Marvel acknowledge Spider-girl and her history. :frown:

[ZT4]

Subtley giving her the original continuity and a back-up prequel is acknowledgement enough.

[Mister Mets]

And yet Mets, until the events of Infinite Crisis DC Comics barely acknowledge Power Girl's history, along with the history of the Earth-2 Trinity.:mad:

I know this because in every history book that I have read about them so far, has yet to acknowledge the seperation of Earth-1 and Earth-2.

I mean when they, DC and other history books, mention Superman and Lois wedding in the 90s, they forget to mention that the characters were previously already married on Earth-2, just before the events Of COIE. :evilangry:


I just wished that they mention that part of DC comics history, just like Marvel acknowledge Spider-girl and her history. :frown:You're dealing with two different universe, though.

DC always had interaction between Earths 1 and 2, at least until COIE. Once there were multiple universe, it made sense to increase Power Girl's role, given her ties to both worlds. Plus, wasn't she created by Wally Wood?

Has the regular Marvel Universe ever interacted with the What If? Universe?

As for the Earth 2 wedding of Lois and Clark, the reason DC doesn't reference the story is that it's best remembered as a massive cop-out.

[Alan2099]

Has the regular Marvel Universe ever interacted with the What If? Universe?
A few times. Quasar, Avengers Forever, Fantastic Four, and Exiles have all used universes that first showed up in What If, but it is pretty rare.

[Jim Thompson]

As for the Earth 2 wedding of Lois and Clark, the reason DC doesn't reference the story is that it's best remembered as a massive cop-out.Who remembers it that way? :confused:

[CMBMOOL]

Who remembers it that way? :confused:

Tell that to the many DCU fans, who loved the Multiverse concept and it characters. :tongue:

[Mister Mets]

Who remembers it that way? :confused:All I've heard of the story was that it had significant publicity, and that the final page revealed to readers that the Earth-2 Superman & Lois Lane had gotten married, as opposed to the "real" Superman. This apparently confused the hell out of new readers, who didn't know about the differences between Earths 1 and 2.

Having not read the story, I can't say whether or not the engagement was presented convincingly, or whether it played fair with readers.

All I've heard of the story is those complaints.

[ZT4]

It wouldnt hurt Marvel at this juncture to sort of cross over into the What If realm...was'nt Spidey 2099 a "possible future" anyway?

[CMBMOOL]

According to Tom Brevoort, there's no way to get some of the Pro-marriage/Anti-BND over to Spider-girl.

Thanks to my little question....

 Why don't you guys ever put any effort into promoting Spider-girl, especially if you want the Anti-BND fans off your backs ?

Also why aren't there any writers within Marvel Comics, that can help assist Tom Defalco and write within Spider-girl's world ?

Posted by CAmbm on 2008-07-29 14:22:08>

I don’t think the Anti-BND fans are going to be placated by SPIDER-GIRL no matter how hard it was promoted.
And I don’t think there’s a need for other writers to help Tom DeFalco with SPIDER-GIRL and her universe. That’s Tom’s baby, so to me it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to bring in other creators to treat it differently. I still remember the small spate of outrage when Sean McKeever did a fill-in issue.

What do you all think of this ... :frown:

[ZT4]

I'm more than placated by Spider-Girl, and Matt, a stern pro-BND fan, loves the title, so there's even testimony from the side pro-marraige fans strongly oppose

Sean McKeever gained critical acclaim on Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, he hadnt proven himself when he wrote that issue of Spider-Girl, now he has. Are the brainstrust so far up their arses in 1976 that they think things that happened years ago still hold water?

I'd instantly nominate Sean to pick up from DeFalco

[Jim Thompson]

ASG is the book I pick up for my Spider-Man fix. It's the only one of them I'm still buying. :biggrin:

[Leocomix]

I'm more than placated by Spider-Girl, and Matt, a stern pro-BND fan, loves the title, so there's even testimony from the side pro-marraige fans strongly oppose

Sean McKeever gained critical acclaim on Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, he hadnt proven himself when he wrote that issue of Spider-Girl, now he has. Are the brainstrust so far up their arses in 1976 that they think things that happened years ago still hold water?

I'd instantly nominate Sean to pick up from DeFalco

Well if he could make the title interesting. When does his exclisuive contract expire?

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Man, I don't want ASG to end with #30. I just got into this series! That being said, the BNM storyline continues to impress me. With the fake May waking up at the end of ASG #22, things are gonna get heavy in ASG #23.

I'll have to pick of the digest of the earlier issues of the first SG. The only single issue I have are #7, #17, and #62, which I picked up a few months ago.

Oh and thanks for answering my question about the X-Men.

[CMBMOOL]

Although I have already made a topic like this, I do have one qeustion that is some what Spider-girl related...

Back in the mid-80s and thanks to the talented Amazing Spider-man team at the time of Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz, we were finally introduced to the past of Mary Jane Watson.

Since then they have alredy have few moments in the pre-married/before OMD and BND history of the regular Marvel Universe, but if history is right, then those same events could still happen in Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man.

So my question to all of you Spider-girl fans out there, is that within the pages of Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man, could we be finally introduced into what is Tom's version of MJ's family and fully extend the MC-2 Spider-man family tree ?


Also note that we already seen the return of Cousin Krissy, MJ's cousin with the eating problem, returned in the pages of Spider-girl.

[ZT4]

Man, I don't want ASG to end with #30. I just got into this series! That being said, the BNM storyline continues to impress me. With the fake May waking up at the end of ASG #22, things are gonna get heavy in ASG #23.

Yeah, well the 25th issue is the big "shake up" story, and it's also the anniversary issue (125th issue if you count all of them together), with May already on the outside looking in and Peter in the hands of Fury, and the Changeling already taken over her old life. There's still a character fatality still to come, and Tom's hush-hush about it (Presumbly it's Peter or The Changeling much later)

We'll likely be seeing a return to the much neglected Arana and Black Tarantula sub-plots with Mayday training and living with Arana to oppose him, whilst the Brand New May likely screws up Mayday's life further (my guess is she does it unintentionally, as she may have a Ben Reily-esque innocense about her), If it ends with issue 30, they still have five issue to tie all of this together, which is better than none.

[CMBMOOL]

Well, today's the day of the first issue of the Amazing Spider-man family and the first story of MR. and MRS. Spider-man, with little Mayday included.... :redface:


So did anyone get it yet ? :tongue:

[Mister Mets]

Well, today's the day of the first issue of the Amazing Spider-man family and the first story of MR. and MRS. Spider-man, with little Mayday included.... :redface:


So did anyone get it yet ? :tongue:I got it. I didn't care for it that much, as it just doesn't fit my storytelling sensibilities (too much exposition.) I have a feeling that ZT4 is going to love it.

[ZT4]

And indeed I did.

Is it as long as I'd like it to be? No, but I'm not complaining, there were things here and there that pleased me as a Lizard fan, a Mayday fan, a Spidey fan, and an MJ fan. Peter "rationing" his career is also fresh, and it's consistent with Spider-Girl continuity with the amount of times MJ brings up to Mayday that Peter hated being Spidey at that point in his life.

It's fresh, it's vital, it's got a lot of story possibilities, and I liked the old-school artistic throws to Ditko and Romita Snr from Frenz.

When Marvel churn out the little things like this, they show there not entirely void of their roots, I wish it were more evident in their mainstream product

[Eamo71]

Is DeFalco still using that awful 2nd person narration technique? It's very off-putting.

[Mister Mets]

And indeed I did.

Is it as long as I'd like it to be? No, but I'm not complaining, there were things here and there that pleased me as a Lizard fan, a Mayday fan, a Spidey fan, and an MJ fan. Peter "rationing" his career is also fresh, and it's consistent with Spider-Girl continuity with the amount of times MJ brings up to Mayday that Peter hated being Spidey at that point in his life.

It's fresh, it's vital, it's got a lot of story possibilities, and I liked the old-school artistic throws to Ditko and Romita Snr from Frenz.

When Marvel churn out the little things like this, they show there not entirely void of their roots, I wish it were more evident in their mainstream productI was unaware that you were a Lizard fan, too.

Cool.

Is DeFalco still using that awful 2nd person narration technique? It's very off-putting.There's no narration, but there is a lot of thought balloons.

[ZT4]

I was unaware that you were a Lizard fan, too.

Hell yeah. It's been a while since I really enjoyed (that would the penultimate issue of the first volume of Spider-Man Unlimited eleven years ago), but this definatly gave the character the territory he's qualified for, and likewise evolves the whole Connors family dynamic to work more with Peter's domestic life.

[Seto Kaiba]

Spider-Girl has always been my favorite series. I would think it would sell more copies with all the disappointment with ASM nowadays.

It's kind of amusing that the spin-off spider titles are considered better than the main continuity. Spider-Girl is so great that she's been saved from cancelation plenty of times. Ultimate is a fresh take on Spider-Man and while Marvel Adventures Spider-Man is targeted toward a younger audience, the stories beat the hell out of Amazing Spider-Man these days.

[ZT4]

I've always maintained that ASM, for ten years, has been regarded the "black sheep" of the franchise, the one nobody knows what to do with, with the other titles sort of concluding the original story and showing how to keep the franchise fresh afterwards with loose, or entirely fresh continuities

[CMBMOOL]

With a cameo by the X-people and the continuation of the BNMayday...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=805&disp=table

:biggrin:

[ZT4]

Psycho Peter is all kinds of awesome

...Again, Mayday's constant determination to appease Gene enrages me more than Peter becoming more paranoid and distrustful of Mayday (at least half of that is more the serum's fault than his own), take a god-damned hint before the BNM Changeling makes your mind up for you already. There's nothing to apologise for.

The title changes to "The End of May" next issue, and we begin the build-up to the double-sized 25th issue

[CMBMOOL]

Psycho Peter is all kinds of awesome

...Again, Mayday's constant determination to appease Gene enrages me more than Peter becoming more paranoid and distrustful of Mayday (at least half of that is more the serum's fault than his own), take a god-damned hint before the BNM Changeling makes your mind up for you already. There's nothing to apologise for.

The title changes to "The End of May" next issue, and we begin the build-up to the double-sized 25th issue

I have to say it's been a while since we last saw Psycho Peter, but still the title to next month's issue must suggest something BIG to happen if the solicts for the 25th issue is correct. :frown:

[ZT4]

I have to say it's been a while since we last saw Psycho Peter, but still the title to next month's issue must suggest something BIG to happen if the solicts for the 25th issue is correct. :frown:

I'm fairly certain Mayday's getting unmasked in front of The X-People, Sarah, Moose, and others, and the "Brand New May" will be able to convince some that her life was stolen Mayday will be brutalized by the New May and possibly her former allies, and be bailed out by either Arana, or Brenda and Normie. Mayday will have to begin training with Arana full time (relating to the "mission" that Arana's masters want her for), whilst Peter is either killed in Issue 25 (as DeFalco has confirmed there will be a casualty), or comes to his senses and tries to make the New May's life miserable, where as poor MJ and Benjy are caught in the middle trying to survive the whole mess

Issue 25's big twist should be that Mayday regains her life at the conclusion, and she switches places with the Brand New May, who begins training with Arana, and the title will gain two Spider-Girls. I'm not saying that'll happen, but it might be how the storylines are tied up...maybe they'll hold that over until ssue 30.

But the way things are going, I think the New May might do things that "our" Mayday wanted to do, but didnt have the nerve. She'll be the one to dump Gene and kiss Wes, she'll be the one to do the cheerleading, she'll be the one to etc, etc...

[CMBMOOL]

I'm fairly certain Mayday's getting unmasked in front of The X-People, Sarah, Moose, and others, and the "Brand New May" will be able to convince some that her life was stolen Mayday will be brutalized by the New May and possibly her former allies, and be bailed out by either Arana, or Brenda and Normie. Mayday will have to begin training with Arana full time (relating to the "mission" that Arana's masters want her for), whilst Peter is either killed in Issue 25 (as DeFalco has confirmed there will be a casualty), or comes to his senses and tries to make the New May's life miserable, where as poor MJ and Benjy are caught in the middle trying to survive the whole mess

Issue 25's big twist should be that Mayday regains her life at the conclusion, and she switches places with the Brand New May, who begins training with Arana, and the title will gain two Spider-Girls. I'm not saying that'll happen, but it might be how the storylines are tied up...maybe they'll hold that over until ssue 30.

But the way things are going, I think the New May might do things that "our" Mayday wanted to do, but didnt have the nerve. She'll be the one to dump Gene and kiss Wes, she'll be the one to do the cheerleading, she'll be the one to etc, etc...


But ZT4, all we know from #23-#25 is this...

Peter will fight Kaine over the BNMAYday



The mutant hunting group of Humanity First is targeting Mayday friends.



Plus, we have yet to see how Mayday will confront her clone since the subplot has yet to mingle in with the main plot



Also that by #25, Fury would have kidnapped Peter.



And that the BNMayday has ruin the life and reputation of our Mayday, that she would have to resorte to her enemies help.


So to me I kind of curious to see just how Defalco is going to pull all this off in just 3 issues. :frown:

[ZT4]

Yeah, there's a possibility the old enemies that come to her aid are Magneta's group, or maybe former enemies (Brenda and Normie), I'm just wondering how, with only five issues left to be soliciated, how the sub-plots involving Arana and The Black Tarantula will resurface. I'd rather have ASG fold at this point than have it continue such great plots with no guaranteed renewal

[CMBMOOL]

So didn't anyone get this month's ASG, which features the renewed fight between Peter and Kaine ? :redface:

[Shade 20x6]

So didn't anyone get this month's ASG, which features the renewed fight between Peter and Kaine ? :redface:

I just picked it up today and finished reading it a few minutes ago.

Quick SPOILER-LADEN recap:










- The X-Men tell May to step aside, and that they'll keep an eye on Sara.
- MJ notices that something is "different" about Peter...especially after she overhears him telling Ben that he will not allow him to "suffer like [his] sister did."
- Brad gives May the cold shoulder. May finally admits that "Gene can be a total butthead. But he's [her] butthead."
- Simone reveals to Lindsay that Gene is the one who tried to sabotage May's run for student council, and he was behind the defacing of her campaign posters. (Gene told Simone "in a moment of weakness.") Simone threatens to reveal this info and "humiliate them both" if Gene and May get back together. Wes overhears everything.
- Darkdevil tips off May about Peter going after Kaine. DD and May both step in when Peter attacks Kaine and try to find out what is going on, but Peter won't say. Kaine claims he doesn't know what Peter's angry about.
- Fury activates the Brand New May, who attacks Normie and escapes.
- Humanity First has targeted Davida. Brad tells May about it.
- Magneta calls Sara and threatens her if she doesn't obey her.
- May runs to the school rooftop to change into Spider-Girl, where she confronts...herself. And the Brand New May is not too happy that May has "stolen her life."

To be continued...

[CMBMOOL]

I just picked it up today and finished reading it a few minutes ago.

Quick SPOILER-LADEN recap:










- The X-Men tell May to step aside, and that they'll keep an eye on Sara.
- MJ notices that something is "different" about Peter...especially after she overhears him telling Ben that he will not allow him to "suffer like [his] sister did."
- Brad gives May the cold shoulder. May finally admits that "Gene can be a total butthead. But he's [her] butthead."
- Simone reveals to Lindsay that Gene is the one who tried to sabotage May's run for student council, and he was behind the defacing of her campaign posters. (Gene told Simone "in a moment of weakness.") Simone threatens to reveal this info and "humiliate them both" if Gene and May get back together. Wes overhears everything.
- Darkdevil tips off May about Peter going after Kaine. DD and May both step in when Peter attacks Kaine and try to find out what is going on, but Peter won't say. Kaine claims he doesn't know what Peter's angry about.
- Fury activates the Brand New May, who attacks Normie and escapes.
- Humanity First has targeted Davida. Brad tells May about it.
- Magneta calls Sara and threatens her if she doesn't obey her.
- May runs to the school rooftop to change into Spider-Girl, where she confronts...herself. And the Brand New May is not too happy that May has "stolen her life."

To be continued...



Holey Deja vu Spider-girl fans, what a cliffhanger. :eek:


Also it seems like the subplot from the first arc is coming back and may just break up the Gene and May thing. :biggrin:

[CMBMOOL]

You know, I wonder if Darkdevil will play a role in the new BNMay arc, because his dad was the original Spidey clone of Ben Reily. :tongue:

[ZT4]

The continuity from the first arc is excellent, but the solicits for Issue 25 hint that this information does indeed get out and Mayday's friends turn against her in that way...but since Wes knows about it, he'll be the only one she can depend on (or rather, her "double", as the real Mayday will be living a completly different life for the time being as she licks her wounds)

I'm thinking that Sara will be dying more so than Peter (save Peter becoming the Green Goblin for the possible final issue Tom)...she is the primary focus besides the Brand New May of this arc and being pulled in as many directions as she is, she's bound to snap.

Mayday has finally gone too far in her bid to keep Gene, DeFalco has done an incredible job of making Mayday look utterly contemptable the past few months...is this to instill doubt of her authenticity? Or is it because she's inherited her father's tendency to be a jerk at the wrong moments? Either way, Wes will still prove how devoted he is to her, and it may just be the "Brand New May" that rewards him for trying to help her.

[ZT4]

Solicts for Issue 26 in November.



Spoilers for Issues 24 and 25 included, so look away now if you want to


http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200811-full/ASPIG026_COV.jpg


“The Replacement!”
Araña’s back, Fury strikes, and the Green Goblin joins the search for the missing Peter Parker! But the big story is, will the real Mayday please stand up?!

I hope the cover doesnt blow some theories I have out of the water (even if the solicts seem to confirm Arana is going to play a major role again), because I had a sneeking suspicion Beny's spider-sense would be set off by the Brand New May at some point...or maybe that's yet to come

As most figured, Issue 25 doesnt tie things up and now Mayday is left looking at her life through a mirror

Peter's missing, Normie's coming out of retirement to find him...if this leads to Peter becoming the Goblin and squaring off with him, I'll be salivating.

[CMBMOOL]

Well just another month until #25, as #24 goes out today.:biggrin:

I still can't believe that Tom D. would pull a Bendis and kill off his own character, but at least it died in a good way.


Right, Spider-girl fans ? :frown:

[Ursalink]

But who have been killed here?. Please, tell me!!!

[CMBMOOL]

But who have been killed here?. Please, tell me!!!
I think the answer lies within the solicts for #24 over at Marvel.com.

[CMBMOOL]

It was 10 years ago this month that we got to see Spider-girl for the first time.

So Spider-girl fans, what are your fond memories of the daughter of Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson Parker ? :redface:

[BlueCutey]

10 years? They did a 10 year anniversary issue back in the Feb 2008 issue (ASG #15), as the 10th anniversary of What If? #105.
#1 of SG is dated Oct 2008, which means it's from August or so, yes?

[CMBMOOL]

10 years? They did a 10 year anniversary issue back in the Feb 2008 issue (ASG #15), as the 10th anniversary of What If? #105.
#1 of SG is dated Oct 2008, which means it's from August or so, yes?
Still, it is 10 years of Spider-girl this year. :biggrin:

So what are your favorite moments in SG ?

[Venom]

So what are your favorite moments in SG ?

I haven't been reading long. I've been collecting since Spider-Girl #97. One of my favourite moments was the Carnage storyline. I never expected Benjy to turn into a Mini-Carnage. That was bloody awesome. Another favourite moment of mine was everytime the Hobgoblin appeared. I look forward to the day he comes back to Spider-Girl.

[CMBMOOL]

Well today's the day when Amazing Spider-girl #25 is out along with the #2 of Amazing Spider-man family. :biggrin:

So did anyone get either of them today ? :redface:

[cap5]

Well today's the day when Amazing Spider-girl #25 is out along with the #2 of Amazing Spider-man family. :biggrin:

So did anyone get either of them today ? :redface:
I got Amazing Spider-girl 25 havent read it yet will tonight
Amazing Spider-man Family got 1 but not going to get this title -the 4.99 price tag got me

[Ursalink]

Please, send spoilers about "Amazing Spider-Girl #25". I need to know them. If you don't want to post them here, at least send me a Private Message.

[ShaggyB]

y my store had a shipping error and will not recieve it until next week. Booooooo

[Yunlee]

Tom DeFalco has informed that ASG #30 will be the last issue. :frown:

All good things.....come to an end and that includes AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL.

I was informed earlier this week that our last issue will be AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL #30.

On the good news front, there is talk that Spider-Girl will become a regular 16-paged feature in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN FAMILY. (I've been told conflicting things about MR & MRS so I don't know if that feature will continue.)

To those who predicted that SPIDER-GIRL would never last, you were right. (You were off by a little over 11 years, but you were right.)

I'll give you guys more news as I hear it.

Tom D.

http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=spidergirl-2008101220464912

[Jim Thompson]

Tom DeFalco has informed that ASG #30 will be the last issue. :frown:


http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=spidergirl-2008101220464912Swell -- one less Marvel book to spend my money on. they're getting good at putting out stuff I don't want to buy, and canceling titles I do.

[CMBMOOL]

Tom DeFalco has informed that ASG #30 will be the last issue. :frown:


http://www.comicboards.com/app/show.php?msg=spidergirl-2008101220464912
Time for the petitions to start, again to save Spider-girl.

Because this title isn't canceling again on my watch. :mad:

[Venom]

Time for the petitions to start, again to save Spider-girl.

Because this title isn't canceling again on my watch. :mad:

That's the spirit, mate!

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Time for the petitions to start, again to save Spider-girl.

Because this title isn't canceling again on my watch. :mad:

Count me in, I'm going to write a polite letter this afternoon and then I'll follow that up with a few e-mails in a couple of days.

[moochavelli]

Send them a cake. They like cake. :)

[Shade 20x6]

Petitions won't save Spider-Girl this time. Only strong sales will. Petitions are a kind of "promise" that, apparently, was not fulfilled to Marvel's expectations.

[CMBMOOL]

Petitions won't save Spider-Girl this time. Only strong sales will. Petitions are a kind of "promise" that, apparently, was not fulfilled to Marvel's expectations.
So in simple terms it needs a miracle to survive. :frown:

[Alan2099]

A miracle? nah. You just have to convince all your rich friends to buy several hundred issues for the next few months.

[Venom]

So in simple terms it needs a miracle to survive. :frown:

Not exactly. Tom DeFalco said that every issue has to have an extra 1,000 copies sold for it to continue a little longer than #30.

[Ursalink]

Oh, boy!!. I have seen the cover for "Amazing Spider-Girl #28" and now my most feared suspictions are confirmated. They are going to "download" Norman Osborn's mind into Peter's body!!.

Man,... I-REALLY-HATE-NORMAN-OSBORN-WITH-ALL-MY-BEING!!!!

This is just like the movie "Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker", because the Joker use some kind of microchip to "upload" his DNA and brainwaves into the brain of Tim Drake (the second Robin) and ressurect in the future after his death in his final battle against Batman. Fortunately, Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond) burn the chip with Joker's shock-a-shock, freeing Terry's brain of Joker's personality and killing the Joker again.

I really hope May could find a way to save his father and ends this nightmare before it will be to late, just like Terry did in his situation. If not, I'm afraid that May will have to worst thing she ever though: Kill his own father to stop Norman Osborn once and for all!!!.

[ZT4]

We don't know which Mayday confronts Peter though.

And yeah, they COULD conceivably end ASG with the following

1. Peter making a noble sacrifice and taking himself and Norman down as one, eternal enemies until the very end

2. Peter could be defeated, unmasked (or unmask willingly), and his life completly ruined alongside Mayday and MJ's own. Norman's ultimate revenge, leaving us on a cliffhanger

3. Peter snaps out of it thanks to the love and strength of his expanded family (and let's not forget DeFalco HAS used that mushy ending before with "Time Bomb"), thus showing that Peter's legacy has overcome all obstacles and he will survive every hardship.

[CMBMOOL]

We don't know which Mayday confronts Peter though.

And yeah, they COULD conceivably end ASG with the following

1. Peter making a noble sacrifice and taking himself and Norman down as one, eternal enemies until the very end

2. Peter could be defeated, unmasked (or unmask willingly), and his life completly ruined alongside Mayday and MJ's own. Norman's ultimate revenge, leaving us on a cliffhanger

3. Peter snaps out of it thanks to the love and strength of his expanded family (and let's not forget DeFalco HAS used that mushy ending before with "Time Bomb"), thus showing that Peter's legacy has overcome all obstacles and he will survive every hardship.
Either way it going to go down and it not going to end pretty for anyone on Mayday's side. :frown:

[CMBMOOL]

Well here's some hope for Spider-girl fans as the 10th digest of the original series is come with in January 2009...

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=10752


Makes me wonder why haven't they done a Spider-girl Omibus yet ? :frown:

[Mister Mets]

Well here's some hope for Spider-girl fans as the 10th digest of the original series is come with in January 2009...

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=10752


Makes me wonder why haven't they done a Spider-girl Omibus yet ? :frown:Likely because there's no indication that Spider-Girl fans are the type to pay a hundred dollars for the material.

That said, the first 38 issues (up until the point when it was first supposed to be cancelled) could make up the backbone of the first omnibus easily.

[Ursalink]

As soon as somebody find any info about the preview of "Amazing Spider-Girl #26", please, post it here.

[Nick MB]

Makes me wonder why haven't they done a Spider-girl Omibus yet ? :frown:

I don't think Spider-Girl would sell enough. The dedicated Spider-Girl fanbase probably have the issues and would be unlikely to pay premium hardcover prices to own them again.

Also, Marvel's past strategy has been to move old Spider-Girl material as cheap digest editions, and that seems to be the approach that works for the series rather than expensive hardcovers.

[ZT4]

Well, the preview for Issue 26 is up.

1. Black Tarantula workout on the first page, hoorah.

2. Arana's aqquired a fresh Spider-Girl coustume, and I think she's had a haircut

3. The Spider-spirit isnt dead, which means Mayday and May have a second chance at overcoming it and defeating Arana

4. Some kind of flashback to when Mayday was free, or it could be Mayday and May keeping tabs on the Brand New May

[Ursalink]

I swear to you, if Araña's butt wasn't actually May's one in this moment... I really would kick her to the moon!!!. I hope in this issue, the two Mays (now it's clear that the blond one must be Aunt May) found a way to get Araña out of May's body.

[CMBMOOL]

I swear to you, if Araña's butt wasn't actually May's one in this moment... I really would kick her to the moon!!!. I hope in this issue, the two Mays (now it's clear that the blond one must be Aunt May) found a way to get Araña out of May's body.
I have to say seeing Aunt May that young is Wow. :eek:

[CMBMOOL]

Well it's offical, according to this weeks Joe Q Fridays over at the Myspace section for comics; it seems that Spider-girl will make the move over to Amazing Spider-man family once her title is finish.

Here's the connection to prove it... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=447136472


What do you all think of this peice of news ? :frown:

[Jim Thompson]

Well it's offical, according to this weeks Joe Q Fridays over at the Myspace section for comics; it seems that Spider-girl will make the move over to Amazing Spider-man family once her title is finish.

Here's the connection to prove it... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=447136472


What do you all think of this peice of news ? :frown:Ah well -- about three bucks less I'll be sending Marvel's way, I guess. What a shame.

[ZT4]

Good to hear it's future in the short-term is assured, and it's going to be same the page count too I hear

ASMF I wouldnt place as a keeper for long

[Venom]

It's a shame, but at least she'll continue on in Amazing Spider-Man Family.

[CMBMOOL]

Today's the day of the Spider-man crawl space monthly podcast and this month it's Defalco and Frenz's turn.

So if anyone has any questions for them, then click here to find out what you do....

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/?cat=8

[Shade 20x6]

The only question I really have is, will ASG have a definitive conclusion? Since it will be shifted to ASMF, which I have no intention of purchasing, I think the least they should do is give us loyal readers a point of closure in the official title.

[Jim Thompson]

The only question I really have is, will ASG have a definitive conclusion? Since it will be shifted to ASMF, which I have no intention of purchasing, I think the least they should do is give us loyal readers a point of closure in the official title.I imagine they'll do the best they can to close out all the running sub-plots before moving on to the new venue -- and let's face it, ASG has been through this sort of thing before. They are probably getting pretty good at writing "the last Spider-Girl story!" :biggrin:

[ZT4]

The only question I really have is, will ASG have a definitive conclusion? Since it will be shifted to ASMF, which I have no intention of purchasing, I think the least they should do is give us loyal readers a point of closure in the official title.

DeFalco's let it slip a few times he has an ending in mind, it's an epilouge set fifteen years in the future, we don't know what it'll reveal about the character at an older age though.

The current ASG arc feels like a MAJOR conclusion to the existing sub-plots from the first 100 issue run

[Deathstroke]

I don't know what I'm going to do about continuing on with the move to the Amazing Spider-Family.

[ZT4]

The first part of the podcast interview with Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz is now available

Tom talks about ASG's latest cancelaiton, Quesada's endless support for the title, the projected sales being one reason for the title's cancelation, talks about the ever increasing question "WIll you pass the torch?" and answers fans questions

What is confirmed in this podcast is that Tom and Ron are apparently against publishing the final Spider-Girl story (which was apparently written five years ago) as a final bonus issue of ASG. The current arc was always going to conclude with Issue 30, and then the next few issues would have been self-contained storylines.

Unfortunatly, Mr and Mrs Spider-Man seems to have become a casualty of Spider-Girl becoming part of ASMF, and there will be a "revamped" look for the title beggining in April. Tom only wrote four storylines

[Shade 20x6]

What is confirmed in this podcast is that Tom and Ron are apparently against publishing the final Spider-Girl story (which was apparently written five years ago) as a final bonus issue of ASG.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Mister Mets]

Unfortunatly, Mr and Mrs Spider-Man seems to have become a casualty of Spider-Girl becoming part of ASMF, and there will be a "revamped" look for the title beggining in April. Tom only wrote four storylines

So just to clarify, the series that has been used as evidence that there are years if not decades of stories with Peter Parker as the happily married father of kids too young to be superheroes isn't going to last more than forty pages?

[Jim Thompson]

So just to clarify, the series that has been used as evidence that there are years if not decades of stories with Peter Parker as the happily married father of kids too young to be superheroes isn't going to last more than forty pages?Not quite fair, I think. Any long term serialized character could have a closing story written in 40 pages or less. Just look at The End series Marvel is running. Doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other stories to tell about the character. It means the creator has a bookend story in mind.

[Mister Mets]

Not quite fair, I think. Any long term serialized character could have a closing story written in 40 pages or less. Just look at The End series Marvel is running. Doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other stories to tell about the character. It means the creator has a bookend story n mind. Except the individuals praising "Mr & Mrs Spider-Man" weren't promoting it as a 40 page closing story.

And should the adventures of the Marvel Universe Spider-Man come to an end, the writers will have more than 40 pages (even if Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" kicked ass.)

[Jim Thompson]

Except the individuals praising "Mr & Mrs Spider-Man" weren't promoting it as a 40 page closing story.

And should the adventures of the Marvel Universe Spider-Man come to an end, the writers will have more than 40 pages (even if Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" kicked ass.)You mean like Hulk: The End took more than 40-pages?

Matter O' fact, Spider-Man's story has been brought to a conclusion multiple times in less than three pages in various What If...? stories.

[Mister Mets]

You mean like Hulk: The End took more than 40-pages?

Matter O' fact, Spider-Man's story has been brought to a conclusion multiple times in less than three pages in various What If...? stories.


Absolutely true. There's still a major distinction between a "The End" type project, and the actual end of the Marvel Universe (or at least Spider-Man's adventures within it.)

If Marvel decided that the classic Marvel Universe should be brought to an end with the bulk of their publishing focusing on something else, the writers of pretty much every title would all probably have at least an year to wrap up all loose ends on their books. This would be distinctive from "The End" projects, as it would be the "real" final act for all these heroes. I presume there'd be more than enough talented creators willing to tell those stories, which would probably sell nicely in the direct market, be well-received (because this is the one time you can have the Punisher kill the Kingpin), and have long-term appeal as reprints. While Alan Moore showed that you can tie up every loose end in 48 pages, that type of supercompression won't be necessary.

And this has nothing to do with whether or not the quick end of "Mr and Mrs Spider-Man" has implications for the long term potential of the comic book adventures of Peter Parker as a happily married father of kids too young to be superheroes.

[Jim Thompson]

Absolutely true.

However, if Marvel decided that the classic Marvel Universe should be brought to an end with the bulk of their publishing focusing on something else, the writers of pretty much every title would all probably have at least an year to wrap up all loose ends on their books. This would be distinctive from "The End" projects, as it would be the "real" final act for all these heroes. I presume there'd be more than enough talented creators willing to tell those stories, which would probably sell nicely in the direct market, be well-received (because this is the one time you can have the Punisher kill the Kingpin), and have long-term appeal as reprints. While Alan Moore showed that you can tie up every loose end in 48 pages, that type of supercompression won't be necessary.

And this has nothing to do with whether or not the quick end of "Mr and Mrs Spider-Man" has implications for the long term potential of the comic book adventures of Peter Parker as a happily married father of kids too young to be superheroes.To be honest, I think the most likely scenario for Marvel closing down Spider-Man would be because they are going out of business -- so it's likely he'd either get a quick, one-issue wrap story or none at all.

[ZT4]

Mr and Mrs Spider-Man is being cancelled to make way for what seems to be a guranteed 22 or 16 page continuation of Spider-Girl (though this is changing every so often according to Ron), there isnt any room for it, so it's understandable

Mets, I don't think you can use the strip concluding as evidence it's fans were wrong in boasting the potential of this feature, if Spider-Girl's sales had been more stable, this wouldnt have happened. Marvel could easily just give this feature it's own title, but we both know that would be a disaster for BND and the brain-trust

It's more to do with projected sales, the need to please Spider-Girl's fans, and ASMF's format of sustaining one canon per Spidey (unless you count the marraige featured in the reprints pre-Mackie reboot part of MC2, as they largely are) that has sealed the fate of this feature.

As for "Whatever Happened...", since that itself was a non-canoical (metaphorical or otherwise) "conclusion" to the campy, not remotley consequential original timeline of Superman (where, convientiantly, everyone acted either very OOC, and gave Alan Moore the oppertunity to beat the crap out of really badly handled characters), it's not the best example you can give to wrapping up something SENSIBLY. Batman had a much better ending for it's Silver Age version

As Thompson's noted, Spidey's had about three or four endings, and the best one, the one that reflects the TRUE spirit of Spider-Man, remains Tom's ending for Peter in MC2.

[CMBMOOL]

I don't understand why is everyone so worried about ASG replacing Mr. and Mrs. SPider-man. :frown:

I mean what if they get rid of the BND stories in ASMFamily and repalce them with DeMattis stoires along with a double whammy of MR. and MRS. Spider-man showing Mayday's past and ASG showing Mayday Present.

What do you all say to that ? :biggrin:

Also it seems that the Defalco and Frenz's conversation over at the Spidey's Crawlspace website is up....

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/

[ZT4]

I don't understand why is everyone so worried about ASG replacing Mr. and Mrs. SPider-man. :frown:

Because Tom pretty much SAID SO?:rolleyes:

[CMBMOOL]

Because Tom pretty much SAID SO?:rolleyes:

Come on ZT4, I mean I really do believe that if Marvel really does care about ASG and it history then there could be a way for them to put in both ASG and Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man in Spider-man family, and still tell some new tales, right ? :frown:

[ZT4]

Come on ZT4, I mean I really do believe that if Marvel really does care about ASG and it history then there could be a way for them to put in both ASG and Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man in Spider-man family, and still tell some new tales, right ? :frown:

If this 16 to 22 page rumour is true, Marvel are treading on their own egg-shells very tenderly even giving space to MC2 at all in a title designed to showcase a wide range of Spidey eras. They have to think about their other material that WILL be affected drasticly by this decision. BND material, Untold Tales of Spidey by DeMatties? Where would THEY go huh? Reprints of ASM? They need those to promote Trade Paperbacks. ASMF is more than just an anthology, it's a giant advertisment for everything Spidey-related. Throwing in more MC2 isnt fair to anything else.

Bottom line? ASMF does not exist strictly for your convieniace, nor mine.

I'm happy Spider-Girl lives to fight another day, if that means I lose the "real" Spider-Man yet again, I've got USM and MA Spider-Man to fall back on, I'm not dependent on Mr and Mrs Spider-Man, and I'd much rather that be given it's own title whenever Marvel finally reinstate the marraige or feel that title won't compromise sales of ASM.

[oldschool]

Come on ZT4, I mean I really do believe that if Marvel really does care about ASG and it history then there could be a way for them to put in both ASG and Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man in Spider-man family, and still tell some new tales, right ? :frown:

I tend to agree; Marvel has shown (for them) extraordinary patience with this title. While we all could argue that they should've promoted it more and/or changed creative team after awhile, there is no denying that they have given it second and third and fourth leases on life. I have no doubt it will live on in some fashion, probably ASMF to start but it will always be around is some way, shape or form.

[Nick MB]

Come on ZT4, I mean I really do believe that if Marvel really does care about ASG and it history then there could be a way for them to put in both ASG and Mr. and Mrs. Spider-man in Spider-man family, and still tell some new tales, right ? :frown:

No, because they don't want ASMF to turn into "the MC2 anthology". If it just becomes a collection of Spider-Girl and related, then its sales would probably just idle down to the same level Spider-Girl has been at. What they want is to combine the Spider-Girl fanbase with the Spider-Man one.

[Deathstroke]

What issue of Spider Man Family is Spider-Girl joining the lineup?

[ZT4]

Issue Five I think

[Mister Mets]

To be honest, I think the most likely scenario for Marvel closing down Spider-Man would be because they are going out of business -- so it's likely he'd either get a quick, one-issue wrap story or none at all. In order for that to happen, Marvel would have to go out of business in such a matter that they couldn't afford to publish comics guaranteed to make money (as the final adventures of Spider-Man would sell well, even before you consider the A-list talent likely willing to take pay cuts to tell this story.)

[ZT4]

Tom and Ron took page cuts to tell it.:cool: :tongue:

[Jim Thompson]

In order for that to happen, Marvel would have to go out of business in such a matter that they couldn't afford to publish comics guaranteed to make money (as the final adventures of Spider-Man would sell well, even before you consider the A-list talent likely willing to take pay cuts to tell this story.)Seen a lot of businesses fail -- don't recall a lot of them having a lot of time to consider their options. :tongue:

[Mister Mets]

Mr and Mrs Spider-Man is being cancelled to make way for what seems to be a guranteed 22 or 16 page continuation of Spider-Girl (though this is changing every so often according to Ron), there isnt any room for it, so it's understandable

Mets, I don't think you can use the strip concluding as evidence it's fans were wrong in boasting the potential of this feature, if Spider-Girl's sales had been more stable, this wouldnt have happened. Marvel could easily just give this feature it's own title, but we both know that would be a disaster for BND and the brain-trust You suspect that it would be a disaster for BND and the brain-trust. I suspect it would have difficulty selling 20,000 copies a month.

I don't believe the sudden cancellation of Mr and Mrs Spider-Man is an indication that a married Spider-Man doesn't work/ sell well. However, it can't be used as an example of the potential of a married Spider-Man, since we didn't get enough full-length new stories out of it.

It's more to do with projected sales, the need to please Spider-Girl's fans, and ASMF's format of sustaining one canon per Spidey (unless you count the marraige featured in the reprints pre-Mackie reboot part of MC2, as they largely are) that has sealed the fate of this feature.

As for "Whatever Happened...", since that itself was a non-canoical (metaphorical or otherwise) "conclusion" to the campy, not remotley consequential original timeline of Superman (where, convientiantly, everyone acted either very OOC, and gave Alan Moore the oppertunity to beat the crap out of really badly handled characters), it's not the best example you can give to wrapping up something SENSIBLY. Batman had a much better ending for it's Silver Age version

As Thompson's noted, Spidey's had about three or four endings, and the best one, the one that reflects the TRUE spirit of Spider-Man, remains Tom's ending for Peter in MC2."Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" was an acclaimed story which tied up loose ends for Superman in the space of 48 pages.

I can't really view the MC2 world as an ending for Peter, as the story's been going on for 130+ issues.

[ZT4]

You suspect that it would be a disaster for BND and the brain-trust. I suspect it would have difficulty selling 20,000 copies a month.

I doubt it. Tom writes Spidey fairly well, and there would be more interest in a title about Spidey being married in light of the disgusting status quoe and redundant crap BND represents monthly and for the long-term. Mayday doesnt sell as well because she's a cult favourate, Spider-Man? Much more familiar as a name value character.

I don't believe the sudden cancellation of Mr and Mrs Spider-Man is an indication that a married Spider-Man doesn't work/ sell well. However, it can't be used as an example of the potential of a married Spider-Man, since we didn't get enough full-length new stories out of it.

Easily remedied by a title of it's own with writers like JMS and DeMatties on it. The tools are there, Marvel won't use them...remarkable considering there using those tools with the way they've strongly been promiting Spider-Girl

"Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" was an acclaimed story which tied up loose ends for Superman in the space of 48 pages.

You need to gain some serious perspective on what a "story" is.

WHAT story? Superman didnt HAVE a story back then. WHTTMOT was designed to remind the readers old and new to D.C at the time that the days of stand-alone "cutesy" stories with scarsely ANY edge to them and the world's dpiest front covers imaginable were a thing of the past, and the story slapped the Silver Age camp with the reality of a grown-up comic industry that was prevailant in the 1980s....cynical, depressing, angst-driven, it snowed under the innocent age and told it to grow up or be rendered powerless

Superman gained an edge and a "real" progressive story with the Byrne relaunch

Morrison's All-Star Superman run was a better ending to the silver age Superman than WHTTMOT ever could be. It had a story, it had a point, and it had a heart

I can't really view the MC2 world as an ending for Peter, as the story's been going on for 130+ issues.

Peter's life as Spider-Man ended years ago in that continuity, THERE is your ending, now it's somebody else's turn. We've been reading Peter and MJ's epilouge unfold for eleven years.

It's amazing how silly you can be over "stories". When they blatantly conclude the proper way, you ignore them, when they end in the silliest ways imaginable, you think there great.

Lose a leg defeating your arch-enemy and sparing the world from Norman Osborn's dementia...or nonsensical murder spree by a bored Mr. Mxyzptl