Chuck Dixon No Longer Working for DC Comics

[jwd]

http://dixonverse.net/board/read.php?2,6361,6384#msg-6384

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[WorstThingUS]

http://dixonverse.net/board/read.php?2,6361,6384#msg-6384

:eek: :mad: :evilangry:

What. The. F*&#!?! This is nothing but crap and it had better not be because of the man's politics!

[Bat-Reader]

oh...this's too bad.

[torippu]

This really, really sucks! Guess that I am dropping 2 more DC books!

[Jack Zodiac]

What the !@#$? :mad: Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

Finally, after years of mediocrity, Robin is a book I want to read every month. And while I may not like Batman and the Outsiders, at least most people I talk to are enjoying it again, too. And then DC just yanks him? !@#$ that. Dixon may not be my favorite writer, but he's a better writer than to be treated like an asshole.

I'm not even gonna bother trying to stick with Robin after his run's over. Couldn't possibly be worth it.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Just when the books were getting good again too.

Anyone have a clue why? Dixon seemed to be on good terms with DC, this booting seems rather sudden and odd.

[Joe Acro]

First Shooter, now Dixon? What's going on, DC?

Just when I was about to start trying Robin, too.

[Jack Zodiac]

Got me, but if it's completely unjustified (and the only way it could be justified is if Chuck walked into D Didi's office and slapped him in the cock, and even then, I'd be givin' the guy a medal instead of a pink slip), I hope you all take the time to write.

You can send it to any of the following:

Editor of BatO and Robin
Mike Marts
The associate editor of those titles:
Jeanine Schaefer

or

Executive Editor of DC Comics
Dan DiDio
or his right-hand gal
Jann Jones

at

DC Comics
1700 Broadway
New York, NY 10019

Or you could send it to all of them.

[Dard]

Dixon may not have been the best writer, but he is a solid and constant writer. And in a time like this, this means a lot!
I liked the way that his presence seemed that the Bat-family became a family again, not the mess it turned into in his absense. And now it is all over...

Although his story in Batman and the Outsiders was too long and not really interesting, his plots were great. And Batgirl seemed to be safe from further ruining at least in this book. Dixon is a writer that to my knowledge never ruined a character. Now she is left to the complete mercy of Beechen again. *shudder*

[HaroldAllnut]

Jeez... Something must've happened. I wonder if it has to do with Batman R.I.P. Huh.

I hate to sound like a heartless speculator, but I actually had been avoiding both Robin and Batman & the Outsiders, just because I wasn't sure about the quality of Dixon's current runs. From what I've heard recently, they were quite good, but now, they're obviously shorter than intended. I guess I narrowly avoided that disappointment.

I guess I'll just collect the upcoming, only Batman & the Outsiders trade.

Just when the books were getting good again too. ...Anyone have a clue why? Dixon seemed to be on good terms with DC, this booting seems rather sudden and odd.

I echo this query.

[DonC]

What the !@#$? :mad: Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

Finally, after years of mediocrity, Robin is a book I want to read every month.


That is so true. I never stopped and took stock of what I'm reading vs. what I'm enjoying. If I had, I probably would have dropped Robin a while ago. But with Dixon back, it was a book that I was really digging again.

[Jack Zodiac]

Yeah. I'll admit it. Robin was one of those books that I just never dropped after Chuck left. I just kept buying it, and it never sucked, it was just never as good as his. And then he came back and it was awesome again. Well, !@#$ it. I'm not gonna give DC any more of my money for a book I'm not really enjoying. Unless they get Grant !@#$ing Morrison to write it, I'm probably not gonna touch it again for a long time.

[CMBMOOL]

I may not of read Robin before, but Dixon made it possible for me to look into it each month it comes out. :frown:

And now this happens...:evilangry:

[matthewaos]

I haven't tried Robin before, and to be honest I prefer Nightwing. But a while back I wanted to expand my Bat comic collection, so I started Robin, cause I haven't read anything from Tomasi, and I know Dixon is writing good books. So the book looked interesting. It's a shame that he is leaving, after such a short time. I wonder what happened. Hope we see an official announcement.

[Major Comma]

His politics?
what would that have to do with it?

[Mon-el]

Wow, This is really shocking news to wake up too.

I just bought Robin #174 a couple of weeks ago, just to see how wonderful that issue was too.

I wasn't interested in trying Batman and the Outsiders frankly due to the 5 minis that lead to the series. I thought it was a bad way to introduce the series. Heck I just read The Brave and Bold #200 last night with The Golden Age Batman and Earth-1 Batman fighting Nicholas Lucien and the back-up in it was how they introduced the first Batman and the Outsiders(something I had forgotten about.) That's all it took was for 1 back-up story, not 5 mini's to change the status quo.

Chuck brought back a good reason for Stephanie, and Leslie. Chuck had returned Ralph and Sue Dibny in the BATO.

I guess you really can't have a happy story in the Dc universe.

I don't know if Chuck was fired or if he quit, but I can think of a few editors and writers that needed to be let go for a long time now.

[KenK]

I'm very enraged right now.

[AlistairCrane]

Oh well, I guess I'll be dropping Robin. *sigh*

I wonder if we'll still be seeing the Spoiler miniseries? Or will DC kill her off again now that Chuck's gone?

[The Cool Thatguy]

His politics?
what would that have to do with it?

He leans to The Right politically, unlike most other writers.

[andy khouri]

Writer Chuck Dixon announced last night he is no longer employed by DC Comics "in any capacity." The news comes just one day after Frank Tieri was announced as the writer of a two-issue story on "Batman and the Outsiders."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16759

[CMBMOOL]

Man, just when Batman titles were gettting good again. :mad:

[summers88]

That's a real shame. I really enjoyed his work. I wonder what happened? Fired? Quit? That would be cool if Marvel picked him up. (Young Avengers maybe?)

[CBikle]

I'm not really a fan, but I know a lot of people liked his runs on Birds Of Prey, Green Arrow, et al. and he always came off as professional.

A lot of weird stuff seems to be happening behind-the-scenes at DC these days...

[spidarwin]

What exactly does "press time" imply in a Web-based news site? Is this just a euphemism for "a representative was unavailable when we wrote the piece so we posted it without comment?"

Most likely they had the information, fired-off an email or called, but
got no response within a couple of hours. It's possible they may have
waited a day before running the article, I guess, but with the ability to
update as often as they want, they probably didn't even feel that a whole
day is necessary.

[reflecto]

What the hell?I'm not a fan of his at all.

[Dr. Chaos]

Hopefully Marvel's left a couple of hundred messages on his voice mail by now.

[Ostrakos]

I'm not a fan of his at all.

And yet, you have Birds of Prey as a must-read? That book would not even be around if not for the devotion and creativity Chuck put into it when it started.

[Warewolf]

Man, just when Robin started getting good again! :mad:

[Fatguy]

I'm not a fan of his at all.

Which, obviously, means you have to be the biggest tool you can be. Instead of "This doesnt effect me in any way, I wasn't a fan of his work.", you chose the "I'm a rude 13 year old on the internets" route.

I myself am not the biggest Dixon fan, but I was liking his recent Robin and Batman & the Outsiders stuff alright. This definitely surprises me.

I agree with CBikle, weird stuff from DC execs these days.

[wrecksracer]

I'm not a fan of his at all.

If you don't like his work, don't read it. It's just plain rude to joke about somebody's sudden loss of employment

[summers88]

I have to agree. That was pretty smelly. Poor taste. And why is Birds of Prey on your pull list if you didn't like Dixon. He's the one who started that series!

[Rattlehead]

Bah! I guess we can look forward to Spoiler being tortured to death again, and Robin going back to being the whiney creep he turned into under Beechen and others.:rolleyes: I was really enjoying his return to Robin,and it was nice to finally have the real Tim Drake back in his own book. At least Dini and Morrison know how to write him.

I'm sure in time we'll find out that it was once again Chuck's political views that rubbed someone the wrong way. I think it's sad when something as trivial as that can triumph over someone's work ethic and professionalism in the DC offices.

And another book falls off the pull list.

[jwd]

As long as he was turning scripts in on time, which he seemingly was, then that's the only thing the DC execs should be concerned with.

I'm sure he was. Mr. Dixon is a fast writer and was known for having scripts worked up months in advanced. If a book of his was ever delayed it wasn't because of him.

[Hawkman]

Anyway, as to the topic at hand, judging from the suggestion of a letter writing campaign of sorts from a moderator at Dixon's own site, it would seem that it was DC's decision to let him go. I haven't read his recent work on Robin, but I did enjoy his previous run, and from all the praise the series was starting to get again from its fans, I'd say DC's making a mistake here. I can't imagine what could have happened bring this about so suddenly.

[Nick Graham]

Diamond is showing that Robin #175 and #176 have been delayed approximately a month each. I hope they aren't being scrapped for rewrites - I would at least like to see all of his solicited issues through August.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm not a fan of his at all.

I'm not a fan of Winick's, but the day his talentless piece of !@#$ ass is fired I'm not gonna gloat like a stupid !@#$. More along the lines of, "great, a writer I don't read anyway isn't going to be around anymore. Whoopee."

[ZT4]

A real shame...and it's one of those cladestine exits too. Dixon ought to go to an independent and get a vacation from the "big two".

I know the Batman titles are going to be swamped by Morrison's current ideas, maybe Dixon felt things were too clustered

[hysang]

I'm not a big fan of Dixon's politics, but the man wrote THE best Tim Drake Robin and the best Spoiler in my opinion.

But no, he shouldn't go to Marvel...his Marvel Knights book tried way too hard to be Birds of Prey in the MU and was just wrongheaded in all sorts of ways. Black Widow and Dagger go shopping...in their costumes. Cloak, despite being a skinny stuttering kid before he got changed, became a chubby "streetwise" kid with his hat turned backwards, and on and on.......

It's too bad..I would love to have seen him back on BoP.

[Hawkman]

Just so I'm staying on topic here, I really hope the guy's personal politics didn't factor in to his dismissal. Lord knows there are a lot of writers I don't agree with in terms of their political views, but I still love their work, and the few that I've had the pleasure of actually meeting or speaking with, I've found to be delightful people as well. I've of the mind that politics should never be taken into account when it comes to judging one's artistic work.

[brundlefly]

When you feed the troll, the troll is the one who wins, guys. Just take the high road here.

Back on topic: I've thoroughly enjoyed the majority of Dixon's DC Bat-books work, particularly Knightfall and the creation of Bane, plus his runs on Nightwing, BoP, & Catwoman. I really dug his Team 7 minis over at Wildstorm, too. I was sticking it out on the current Batman and the Outsiders because he was on it, but I think he works best in the street-vigilante or military genres as opposed to writing a super-hero team. Sucks that this happens just as he very recently fixed two of the previous Bat-book writers' biggest screw-ups (the death of Spoiler and the subsequent turn-to-villainy of Leslie Thompkins). Anyway, I hope he doesn't pull a Christopher Priest and stop writing comics altogether, since I am a fan of his writing.

[Seraku]

DAMN. I am seriously gonna miss him.

[Deathstroke]

They bring back Spoiler in Robin and I add the title to my pull list and now he's gone?

DAMMIT!

[elise]

Wow... if this was DC's doing rather than Dixon's decision... then I am truly disappointed in them. :frown:

[SkinFromBone]

They bring back Spoiler in Robin and I add the title to my pull list and now he's gone?

DAMMIT!

It is pretty strange that after Spoiler returned Dixon and DC parted. It's been the only issue of Robin I've ever bought and I was getting into it.:confused:

I'm to sorry to hear he lost is job.

[CYOTI]

So does Willingham.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So does Willingham.

True, but Willingham also writes Fables, which garners a considerable amount of critical acclaim. So he's in a better position than Dixon.

[Velvis]

I'm not trying to be mean here, but I've never read a Chuck Dixon comic I've particularly liked. He seems to me to be the original "decompression" writer, writing breezy, action-oriented comics that take minutes to read, but without the originality or verbal flair that distinguishes someone like Bendis.

But I could be wrong. I think I've been aware of Dixon since he was working on Eclipse's Airboy franchise back in the eighties. Has he written anything we'd consider "classic" or even "good"?

[Heraclevs]

:mad: Just one more reason for me not to get back into DC Comics. IF Chuck Dixon was released due to his personal views... then it just shows thta the liberal thought police have way too much say in the matter.

So much for being a free people. :frown:

- Romans 9

[JohnPopa]

:mad: Just one more reason for me not to get back into DC Comics. IF Chuck Dixon was released due to his personal views... then it just shows thta the liberal thought police have way too much say in the matter.

So much for being a free people. :frown:

- Romans 9

Has anyone related to the situation suggested that Chuck's views had anything to do with it? Before you mourn the loss of your freedom, you might wait for someone related to the situation making a statement of some kind.

(And yes, I realize you said 'IF' but you're still basing your 'IF' on nothing even hinted at by anyone involved, neither Chuck nor DC, which seems a tad overzealous.)

[jwd]

I'm not trying to be mean here, but I've never read a Chuck Dixon comic I've particularly liked. He seems to me to be the original "decompression" writer, writing breezy, action-oriented comics that take minutes to read, but without the originality or verbal flair that distinguishes someone like Bendis.

But I could be wrong. I think I've been aware of Dixon since he was working on Eclipse's Airboy franchise back in the eighties. Has he written anything we'd consider "classic" or even "good"?

To me he's a constant good writer. Some writers can do great stories but then you also get some stinkers. Frank Miller for instance. I love Batman: Year One. Its probably my all time favorite Batman story. All Star Batman and Robin though... horrible book.

Mr. Dixon though can write multiple titles at a time and to me they usually range from "good" to "excellent".

As for a classic run -
Sadly I'm not sure if anything from the 90s would be considered "classic". His original Robin run is great. A teenager dealing with being a hero and all the trouble that entails.

[Agent_Torpor]

:mad: Just one more reason for me not to get back into DC Comics. IF Chuck Dixon was released due to his personal views... then it just shows thta the liberal thought police have way too much say in the matter.

So much for being a free people. :frown:

- Romans 9

Ha ha, I think DC comics will survive the exodus of one Chuck Dixon. Survive, and even thrive.

[Batman was taken]

:frown:
There doesn't seem to be any crying smilies, but if there was, that's what'd I'd use...:frown:

This blows. He's one of my favorite writers, and I was so pumped when he returned to Robin. Now he's gone after what? 6 issues? Batman and the Outsiders was enjoyable too. Crap.... I just hope they don't stick some crappy scrub writer on the titles now....
One more frowny face for good measure....:frown:

[Super Buddies Forever]

Speaking as a flaming liberal, I can safely say I've never cared one iota what Mr. Dixon believes and have always loved his writing. It was great to have some stability and sanity brought back to a corner of the Bat-universe, and this latest move just further disgruntles me towards Dan Didio's DC.

At least he was around long enough to save Stephanie and Leslie Thompkins.

Edit: And I don't believe Dixon was let go because of his personal views. I think it has to do with his character and story-oriented ideas not fitting in with the Didio-approved braintrust. After all, this has been the regime that attempted to wash away Spoiler, Batgirl, and many other elements that Dixon helped bring to fruitation. I say that as a fan of many of the current storylines but not of the decision-making behind them. Dixon was an architect of '90s DC... of course he's on the outs.

[Velvis]

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*

[Batman was taken]

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*

:eek: :tongue:

[Dr. Chaos]

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*
Oh no he didn't!

[brundlefly]

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*

Nah, you've just gotten your Robins confused. Jason Todd is the crappy scrub character. :biggrin:

[Batman was taken]

Nah, you've just gotten your Robins confused. Jason Todd is the crappy scrub character. :biggrin:

Check and mate:smile:

[JKA]

this is disappointing. just read the last issue of robin. man. and his original robin run was one of the great runs about teen superheroes that we just don't get anymore.

[Suiciety]

I heard Chuck may contribute to the upcoming Ultimate Colossus mini over at Marvel. :wink:

[Hokeyboy]

Bah.. EVERYONE knows "Nightwing" wasn't any good until Devin Grayson and Bruce Jones saved the book from mediocrity.








*puts on flame-resistant jumpsuit and crash helmet, walks into ghetto, screams N-word, runs* :wink:

[OverMaster]

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*

Silly Velvis, EVERY Robin not named Carrie Kelley is a crappy scrub character. :tongue:

[DonC]

Has anyone related to the situation suggested that Chuck's views had anything to do with it?


No. It seems to be the popular topic of discussion, but the only thing either side has said is Chuck's "I am no longer employed by DC Comics in any capacity" post. Chuck hasn't said anything more and DC Comics officially declined to talk to CBR about the issue.

It's a shame, though, his work on Robin was making the character great again.

[the-wolf]

Maybe I wasn't clear. Not only am I not a fan of his, but I actively oppose his working in comics at all after his repeated homophobic remarks in the press.
I'm very, very glad he's gone from DC. I couldn't be any happier to see his bigoted ass away from the company.


Everyone has the right to their own opinions. Chances are you wouldn't be reading anything if you actually knew what most writers personal views on various issues were. I prefer, therefore, to keep to character, writing and art as to how I choose what I will read.

[Robert Taylor]

I love Chuck's work.

I've spent time with Dixon on several occasions, both in a personal and professional capacity, and allow me to say that he is honestly an amazing, kind person.

That is all.

[Sean Whitmore]

Holy hell. How did Goliath put it? "Shortest comeback in history"?

Hope Rich Johnston comes through on this one.


SEAN

[carabas]

Does anybody knows what this means for Storming Paradise?

[MutoMikey]

AWW MAN!!! I've been tryin to get back into Robin for quite some time now and finally did when Dixon came back. I read Dixon's run on Robin as a kid and loved it.

What happened?! He finally brings Steph back and now this?! Geez...

[knightrunner]

I will not prfess to know what Dixon thinks or feels. I enjoy his stories and as far as I can tell he is not trying to push any sort of agenda or impose his view thorugh them. I think as long as a person is able to conduct themselves professionally, then their personal views don't matter.

[Marvelbunny]

When Chuck Dixon returned I thought "Great, someone who knows how to write a comic book" and his Batman & The Outsider proves this.

[Generic Eric]

Chuck Dixon is a champ among comic writers. I hope he has some interesting non- batman comics coming up. His work on punisher was top notch.

[The Xenos]

First of all, this news sucked. Sucked like sucking all the air out of my lungs, sucking out all the hope I had for his current books.

I was ecstatic that he was back on Robin and had fixed the mess they had made of Spoiler while he was gone. Plus he was writing similarly screwed over character of Cass / Batgirl in Outsiders. Plus those books were simply damn good reads. I was also looking forward to his 'Storming Paradise' WWII alternate history book from Wildstorm. Wherever he goes, I'm sure he'll make some damn good comics. DC is poorer without him. Heaven knows I wish I could leave DC myself.

And now... the political shit storm.
Not only am I not a fan of his, but I actively oppose his working in comics at all after his repeated homophobic remarks in the press.
I'm very, very glad he's gone from DC. I couldn't be any happier to see his bigoted ass away from the company.You mean the comments that were TAKEN as homophobic that he's had the decency to explain away 10,000 times because the internet community thinks once they read a story about a person that they know that person?

You go ahead and enjoy your manufactured controversy.

It seems some people who claim to be liberal and open minded can be just as close minded and quick to judge and label as conservatives. Comments like that make me glad I don't label myself as liberal. Though that doesn't stop me from getting labeled as such, just like no matter what Chuck says about his comments, it doesn't stop people from labeling him.

The bigot label, to me, is a sure sign of a close minded 'liberal' who really doesn't understand what true liberalism is. Unless I guess my whole idea of being liberal is wrong. Am I out of the club? I thought it was about acceptance and openness, not calling people names and ostracizing them. You can't fight for anyone's rights well if you're so quick to judge and label others who have differing beliefs.

Can you imagine someone coming into this forum and saying that they won't read Judd Winick because he's a gay writer? Can you imagine them tossing around the slur 'fag' and using his politics on sexuality as a reason they don't read his books? How close minded is that person? (Personally, I'd say it's more the bluntness of sexuality, gay and straight, that annoy me. It just feels sloppy and self-fellating. In comparison, I think Dixon's politics is quite transparent in his work. Winick makes it a spotlight.)

Also, your signature, Fatguy, is quite fitting.
All generalizations are false, including this one. -Mark Twain

I do.
Here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5830301&postcount=81) he admits to posting deceptive material on the internet so he could have a laugh at the expense of gay readers who have expressed legitimate concerns over his anti-gay remarks.
And here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6887288&postcount=258) he embarks on a long tirade about how unhomophobic he is, all the while using the most patronizing, condescending terms available to discuss it. At one point in this post, he dismisses one of his wife's relatives as a gay stereotype because he has a piano longe act, implying that Dixon gets to be the one who decides how gay is "too gay."

Dear crap. Look in a damn mirror. Who's the one being bigoted? Who's the one labeling people and calling for witch hunts? It's not Dixon. From what I remember another time Dixon was talking about how he was raising his kids. Even then I think he half joked about until they turned 18. In those links he talks about sexuality in general, but you seem to focus on the gay part. Actually, he sounds a bit like Hillary Clinton talking about Grand Theft Auto when she was trying to suck up to parents groups. (I'm sure Chuck would looooove that comparison.) Actually, the more I think about it, I guess I don't agree with him.

Though maybe it's just more him saying what he wants to see in comics, not what should be. Well, mainstream titles. Batman and Teen Titans is a brand DC / AOL Time Warner sells to children. There's a problem there. The comics with adult content need to be properly labeled and sold to proper demographics, I say bring on the smut. "Give me smut and nothing but!" (If I somehow ever procreate and have little ones running around, I'm going to have to hide half my comics away up high shelves or something.)

If you ask me, a true liberal would be fine with letting people raise their kids under most any belief, even if you disagree with their politics and sexuality. Hell, I don't think even I agree with his comment, but he's got every damn right to say and do that. He has every right to say these things as you do. It's not any more bigoted than what you have to say against him. At least he's not tossing around words like homophobic and bigot.

But isn't Tim Drake a crappy scrub character?

*runs away*
Maw! Get the pitch fork! I'll grab the torches! :evilsmile: :tongue:
Nah, you've just gotten your Robins confused. Jason Todd is the crappy scrub character. :biggrin:
Oh yeah. More so than any of the whole blunt sex issue, Jason Todd is a bigger issue I have with Winick. Sigh. Why can't he go back to Barry Ween.

[Daredoll]

Okay, seriously? What the hell is up with DC lately?

Is it me, or are they just getting weirder and weirder?

[elise]

Xenos, you're awesome. :biggrin:

[OverMaster]

So, any bets on when do they kill Spoiler again after this?

[Captain Jim]

Sheesh, I come home from taking my wife out to dinner on our wedding anniversary and have this to deal with! Three "troll alert" emails tell me something is amiss and I am stunned when I read the name of the thread.

I go to the Dixonverse message board to read it there first, so I know what I'm dealing with. Irony of irony, the brief message, "I am no longer employed by DC Comics in any capacity" was Chuck's response to a question I posted there myself. And here I am, seemingly the last person in the world to find out!

So I come here and find some troll has posted callous, inflammatory remarks that are completely inappropriate. And you all responded as one would expect.

The troll threads have been deleted and, regrettably, a number of other posts as well, not necessarily because they said anything wrong, but because they belabor an off-topic and inappropriate exchange that shouldn't be here in the first place.

Deciding what to delete and what to leave in a situation like this isn't always a black and white decision and I may not have done it perfectly. Possibly I removed some posts that could have stayed and left others that should have been deleted. But I did the best I could, so if you think I over (or under) reacted in some places, my apologies.

Now that the thread has been mended, I'm opening it back up for ON TOPIC posts. But no more arguing about Dixon's politics or personal beliefs.

[hysang]

My apologies, as well for it. I'll learn to ignore it next time.

Again, I wish Dixon could have stayed on to at least write Robin. It's how I feel when other people write Wolverine. As much as I don't care for Claremont's writing now, only "his" Wolverine "sounds" right.

The same with Dixon's Tim Drake. I know he didn't create the character, but he gave him a strong voice, much the same way Marc DeMatteis and Roger Stern are my favorite Captain America writers, for making Steve Rogers real to me.

It's a pity.

[jwd]

Sheesh, I come home from taking my wife out to dinner on our wedding anniversary and have this to deal with! Three "troll alert" emails tell me something is amiss and I am stunned when I read the name of the thread.

Happy anniversary! So how many years? :-)

Sorry you had to read the news on your anniversary.

Also apologizes from me for even replying or asking any of the obvious trolls a question. I know they're best left ignored until a moderator deals with them.

I was really disappointed in the decision. I rapidly lost interest in the Batbooks after he left and now just as my interest was starting to return again it'll probably be quickly gone again.

[munniec]

Don't jump to conclusions until you heard the whole story, anything could have happened.

[Babylon23]

I've always found Dixon to be a solid writer. Nothing too outstanding, but never out and out bad. It's a shame to see any writer lose their job. Hopefully Chuck will be able to pick up work elsewhere and his fans will follow him wherever he ends up.

Like many people posting here, I've always thought he did his best work with Tim Drake. When Tim was first introduced, he ran the risk of being a token Robin, much like Jason Todd. To Dixon's credit, he made Tim a fully fleshed out and 3 dimensional character, at a time when comics were losing almost all semblance of character.

[zebop]

If Marvel were smart they would hire Dixon to follow Garth Ennis on The Punisher.

But they aren't, so they won't. :rolleyes:

[pariah-1972]

I'm truly at a loss for words.
I hope there is no hard feelings on anyones part so maybe he can go back to them someday.
Good luck Chuck !

[HeckBoy]

Aww nertz, I was just starting to enjoy Robin again. Here's hoping Robin continues its steady streak and that Mr. Dixon gets some new work fast.

[The Xenos]

Rereading the original CBR article on this, I almost want to say, "Mom? Dad? Why aren't you talking? Why won't you tell me what happened? Was.. was it something I said?" :sad face:

[sabongero]

I am not familiar with Chuck Dixon's work, other than reading in the forum that he is known for working the Batman and Batman "family" books well. Good luck to his future endeavors.

[Armless Penguin]

I have to say--I am currently experiencing the exact inverse of the feeling of giddy excitement that I had when I found out Dixon was returning to write Robin. I just randomly happened to pop open a tab with CBR to check the forums a bit before heading to bed, and here is this thread title glaring at me, and I'm shocked.

We probably won't know exactly what happened, but here's to hoping Dixon gets a shot at a fairer shake (or whatnot) somewhere else despite it all. I quite enjoy his writing, even if his talents have never been more apparent than when shaping Tim Drake.

[Cornelius Stirk]

I've always thought Dixon was a good, but not great writer; by that I mean he's not going to blow your socks off like say Morrison, but the quality is always of an even standard-call it comfort food comics. I'll miss him writing on anything Batman.

As to why he left, who knows? , so I really think it's pointless to speculate that he wouldn't tow the party line on R.I.P, his politics or anything else. All we've heard from him is a brief statement, and DiDio et el aren't talking.

[Mia]

I'm sorry to hear Chuck's gone. But I really want to know why. That way I can find out if he might come back one day.

[CBikle]

If Marvel were smart they would hire Dixon to follow Garth Ennis on The Punisher.



Whoever takes over will need to be closer to Ennis' level and Dixon definitely isn't.

[IronMagnus]

Whoever takes over will need to be closer to Ennis' level and Dixon definitely sn't.

True, Dixon is at a much higher level than Ennis.

[Lemurion]

I think it's fairly clear: There was a discrepancy of some nature between what Chuck Dixon wanted and what DC Comics wanted, most probably for the titles he had been writing. They were unable to come to an agreement or compromise and so they severed the professional relationship.

His only other comments of note were to the effect that not everyone at DC is a b*****d and that DC is a fine institution. That implies to me that there was at least something of a personality clash but not whether that was the main driver for the separation. I tend to think it wasn't.

[OverMaster]

True, Dixon is at a much higher level than Ennis.

It's comparing apples to oranges. Both are good in their own wildly different ways.

[pariah-1972]

So what are his choices now go indie or go marvel i guess right:confused:
He said Marvel wouldn't take him but i highly doubt it's about his politics as long as his books sell...

[Marcus_Maximus]

Put him on the Ultimates....

[Jamescush]

To quote the good Doctor... "What? What? What?"

And I was again enjoying the Batman family books again too. :frown:

[Sizzle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Robin was becoming good again :(

[TROUBLEZ]

Probably because he didn't want Batman RIP to interrupt his stories. I don't blame him. Can't Morrison tell a story in his own title?

[asutton1]

What exactly does "press time" imply in a Web-based news site? Is this just a euphemism for "a representative was unavailable when we wrote the piece so we posted it without comment?"




Most likely they had the information, fired-off an email or called, but
got no response within a couple of hours. It's possible they may have
waited a day before running the article, I guess, but with the ability to
update as often as they want, they probably didn't even feel that a whole
day is necessary.



How odd. I went looking for my original posting (quoted in the reply above), but couldn't locate it anywhere. The link to the original post was also not working. Why was my original question deleted? Did I offend someone's delicate sensibilities?

[matthewaos]

So, does anyone know why he really left? Has DC said anything?

[sheets]

But I could be wrong. I think I've been aware of Dixon since he was working on Eclipse's Airboy franchise back in the eighties. Has he written anything we'd consider "classic" or even "good"?

I do think his Airboy work was an outstanding run of comics, and I also liked a lot of his 80s indie work in general. Also, his work on the Punisher was quite good - the stuff that Garth Ennis gets credit for now, Dixon was doing with the character years earlier.

To be honest, while I think his Batman/Robin/Nightwing stuff is all well and good I think Dixon's talents are...not wasted but not fully exploited on superheroes. In a perfect world, comics would be more diverse and Dixon's career would be characterized by distinguished runs of western, war, aviation, and general action comics. Granted, you could say this about a lot of creators today, but I think Dixon's sensibilities are particularly out of sync with what the average comics publisher wants.

[kello]

I'm upset because I just bought the Robin/Spoiler special, and it made me want to get into the story hardcore. Oh well, I'll still get the Dixon issues. This is VERY reminiscent of Mark Waid's recent "return" to the Flash. Apparently you can't go home again. Maybe Dixon will head over to Spider-Man as well!

[Captain Jim]

Probably because he didn't want Batman RIP to interrupt his stories. I don't blame him. Can't Morrison tell a story in his own title?

I really doubt that had anything to do with it. Chuck is a professional and has worked around many different crossovers and mega-events in years past. In fact, I've seen him say in print that it comes with the territory.

[Captain Jim]

So, does anyone know why he really left? Has DC said anything?

DC has declined to comment on the matter.

[Captain Jim]

Happy anniversary! So how many years? :-)

Thirty-one. :smile:

Sorry you had to read the news on your anniversary.

Also apologizes from me for even replying or asking any of the obvious trolls a question. I know they're best left ignored until a moderator deals with them.

I don't blame anybody for their replies. If I were in your seat, I probably would have done the same thing.

I was really disappointed in the decision. I rapidly lost interest in the Batbooks after he left and now just as my interest was starting to return again it'll probably be quickly gone again.

I hear you.

[pariah-1972]

I would love to see Dixon on a western.

[Captain Jim]

How odd. I went looking for my original posting (quoted in the reply above), but couldn't locate it anywhere. The link to the original post was also not working. Why was my original question deleted? Did I offend someone's delicate sensibilities?

I don't know what happened. It's possible I may have deleted it accidentally. If so, I apologize.

[Captain Jim]

It's very unlikely Dixon will show up at Marvel anytime in the near future. Because of his politics and personal beliefs (sigh) he has been persona non grata at Marvel for quite some time.

That was also the case at DC for a long time, until fairly recently. Which is why when people speculate that Dixon's dismissal may have been due to same, it really isn't a stab in the dark. It's more like an educated guess, based on previous experience.

[pariah-1972]

It's very unlikely Dixon will show up at Marvel anytime in the near future. Because of his politics and personal beliefs (sigh) he has been persona non grata at Marvel for quite some time.

That was also the case at DC for a long time, until fairly recently. Which is why when people speculate that Dixon's dismissal may have been due to same, it really isn't a stab in the dark. It's more like an educated guess, based on previous experience.I think thats really retarded cause he doesn't force his beliefs onto his characters at all.

[The Lucky One]

I'm upset because I just bought the Robin/Spoiler special, and it made me want to get into the story hardcore. Oh well, I'll still get the Dixon issues. This is VERY reminiscent of Mark Waid's recent "return" to the Flash. Apparently you can't go home again.

True. Except even more baffling, because at least with guys like Waid on Flash or Claremont on X-Men, you can say that there was considerable negative reaction to their return storylines. (Of course, we've also gone beyond the point of being willing to wait more than two issues before making final judgments, but that's another argument.) With Dixon, I don't think I've read a single comment online with someone complaining that his run isn't as good as what preceded it. Hell, this is the internet, you can find people arguing that the Holocaust never happened, but there was pretty much zero negative reaction to Dixon's return.

Mind, we're all making the assumption that Chuck was asked to leave. If it turns out to have been his choice or a truly mutual decision, I just might stick around to see what the next writer does with Tim... I do miss the guy.

-D

[Optimus]

I didn't know about Dixon's politics before reading this thread. I'm sorry he has that opinion. But I am a big fan of most everything I've read that he's done. His Robin and Nightwing in particular were just gold. Great stuff.

[CBikle]

It's very unlikely Dixon will show up at Marvel anytime in the near future. Because of his politics and personal beliefs (sigh) he has been persona non grata at Marvel for quite some time.

That was also the case at DC for a long time, until fairly recently. Which is why when people speculate that Dixon's dismissal may have been due to same, it really isn't a stab in the dark. It's more like an educated guess, based on previous experience.

It's odd that that would be an issue these days since both DC and Marvel have recently been giving their books more of a political edge, sometimes subtly (the Civil War & President Lex storylines) and less subtly, like that dopey liberal superhero vs. conservative superhero storyline that DC has Winich & Willingham working on.

[carabas]

Probably because he didn't want Batman RIP to interrupt his stories. I don't blame him. Can't Morrison tell a story in his own title?He is telling it in his own title. DC just got greedy (again) and ordered everybody else to do tie-ins.

[carabas]

So, does anyone know why he really left? Has DC said anything?Best guess: same reason as Ed Brubaker, micro-managing/inept editors making it impossible for him to properly tell a story.

[Batman was taken]

It's odd that that would be an issue these days since both DC and Marvel have recently been giving their books more of a political edge, sometimes subtly (the Civil War & President Lex storylines) and less subtly, like that dopey liberal superhero vs. conservative superhero storyline that DC has Winich & Willingham working on.

Civil War? Subtle?

Buh?

Also, judging from what I've read on Dixon's board, by Dixon himself, when he said not everyone there was a bastard (can I say that...), it would seem that he wasn't fired.... But, his announcement was rather brief, so I don't know what to think....:frown:

[Mia]

Civil War? Subtle?

Buh?

LOL! That book was nothing more than a thinly disguised tirade against the Bush Administration by Mark Millar. I stopped reading at issue 3.




Also, judging from what I've read on Dixon's board, by Dixon himself, when he said not everyone there was a bastard (can I say that...), it would seem that he wasn't fired.... But, his announcement was rather brief, so I don't know what to think....:frown:

I sort of have a hard time believing it was for his political beliefs. Chuck's been around a long time and has never been shy (though not obnoxious) about his beliefs, and he's still gotten work.

I suspects it's due to a blow up with someone higher up, or maybe due to financial compensation. Maybe he didn't do enough kissing of Didio's behind and stroking his ego.

[Super Buddies Forever]

What bothers me most about this is that the Batman supporting cast (Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Spoiler, etc.) have all more or less floundered since Dixon originally left. While I'm enjoying Morrison and Dini on the main books, there's nobody I'd rather see handling the edges of the Bat-Universe than Chuck.

But that's not going to happen, and I really have the suspicion that it all goes back to who's in charge of DC at the moment. Dan DiDio wanted Nightwing dead. Batgirl evil. Spoiler died in an almost-universally reviled storyline under his watch. Fan and creator protest reversed those former two (the first before it even happened), and Chuck Dixon came back and undid the latter. I'm thinking the tug of war of what to do with the Batman family, of which Dixon had a huge hand in creating back in the '90s, made Dixon's creative input somewhat unwelcome, especially with the sweeping changes Morrison is planning on making.

And that's a shame, because the Batman supporting characters need some stability. The attempts to replace Nightwing and Batgirl with Jason Todd and Batwoman have repeatedly blown up in their faces, but the constant indecision as a result has left the Bat family in a perpetual state of anarchy.

[Mike Smash!]

He leans to The Right politically, unlike most other writers.So do Bill Willingham and Ethan Van Sciver, but they are both gainfully employed at DC.

I smell no discrimination here.

[Dard]

What bothers me most about this is that the Batman supporting cast (Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Spoiler, etc.) have all more or less floundered since Dixon originally left. While I'm enjoying Morrison and Dini on the main books, there's nobody I'd rather see handling the edges of the Bat-Universe than Chuck.I don't think "floundered" is the right word.
"Intentionally deconstructed" is more likely.
It seems that DC noticed their mistake. And Dixon is one of the few writers that I would trust bringing things back in order. He did so in the past and I have no reason to assume that he couldn't do it now.

But now I fear for the supporting cast. Contrary to what DC may thing: Batman is little to nothing without his supporting cast.

[d newton]

So who's taking over Robin next?

[Sizzle]

So who's taking over Robin next?

I'd love to see Gail or Geoff. But we'll probably end up with someone who'll screw up the title even further.

[JohnPopa]

So who's taking over Robin next?

My guess would be Sean McKeever. DC has to justify his exclusive and he's not on BOP anymore. Is he still on 'Titans?'

Still, that's my guess.

[elise]

My guess would be Sean McKeever. DC has to justify his exclusive and he's not on BOP anymore. Is he still on 'Titans?'

Still, that's my guess.

McKeever is still on Teen Titans, yes. Winick is on Titans.

[Fatguy]

I'd love to see Gail or Geoff. But we'll probably end up with someone who'll screw up the title even further.

I predict the typical DC recipe: somebody mediocre with a side of bland, splash in a different so-so artist every month, and serve. Low selling book stays low selling.

[Captain Jim]

So who's taking over Robin next?

It's really too early to say. Dixon has probably written the book way far ahead, per his usual custom, but it's up in the air whether DC will actually use all the scripts he has in the can (they didn't the last time he left).

It's even possible that we may see a short-term fill-in writer while they're sorting things out.

[Captain Jim]

judging from what I've read on Dixon's board, by Dixon himself, when he said not everyone there was a bastard (can I say that...), it would seem that he wasn't fired....

You're jumping to conclusions, and not accurately, according to what I hear.

[pariah-1972]

So we don't even know if he was fired or he quit?

[Captain Jim]

Chuck was quite happy with his DC work. I think it's a safe bet that this isn't what he wanted to have happen.

[The Xenos]

Or what a number of fans wanted either. BAH!

[Subotai]

Dixon to Tieri?

Seriously?

Today's Friday the 13th, not April's Fool's Day?

[DonEMC]

I've never enjoyed anything Frank Tieri wrote.
This all means no more Robin and no more Outsiders for me.
That's $6 and tax that DC won't be getting from me anymore. And, unless Chuck goes to Marvel, there's nothing over there that I'll pick up to replace them. I already buy all that I like from Marvel, so there's nothing to replace Chuck's book with.
I would've loved to have seen Chuck write a Jonah Hex issue or two (not wanting Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray to leave JH, I simply would love to see what Chuck would do with him).

[d newton]

I'm still guessing Simone or Puckett.

[pariah-1972]

Chuck was quite happy with his DC work. I think it's a safe bet that this isn't what he wanted to have happen.Maybe he didn't like being replaced with Tieri for two issues tho? and what if he wasn't happy with the direction Batman R.i.P was going?
I just don't understand why he would get fired out of the blue like this when even John Byrne hasn't been shown the door like this and he is probably more controversial than anyone in the industry.

[Starba]

Confirmation from Chuck's forum:

Just to counter some nonsense I've seen "reported" on other sites.
I did not quit.
I do not believe it had anything to do with politics.
My involvement with Robin ends with issue 174.
I think my BATO run is over with #10.
My Booster two-parter will still be appearing.
Barring unforeseen circumstances, Storming Paradise continues on schedule.
For those keep score, yes, I was way ahead on both of my monthlies. Down the road perhaps I'll offer those scripts and you folks can help out Books for Soldiers as you so generously have before.

[stealthwise]

Confirmation from Chuck's forum:

That quotation you posted made no sense, given that he's solicited until issue 177 at the very least (it says 174).

[Starba]

That quotation you posted made no sense, given that he's solicited until issue 177 at the very least (it says 174).

I dunno, that's what Chuck posted.

[stealthwise]

I dunno, that's what Chuck posted.

Fair enough. The solicits might be incorrect, but it's unlikely that he didn't at least turn in scripts for those issues at this point, unless that's part of the reason he was fired. Creative conflicts maybe?

Editor: "Ok, good stuff Chuck, but maybe instead of making Stephanie join the Big Sister's organization in order to help out an at-risk youth, we have Dr. Light and Major Force double-team her with a cucumber and a blow-torch?"

CD: "...."

Editor: "No? Well then, we can always make it so she decides that Tim is the only one for her, so she starts collecting his sweat and hair samples and..."

CD: "Ok, that's it. Screw you guys, I'm going home."

[pariah-1972]

Confirmation from Chuck's forum:Now i'm really confuzzled.:confused:

[jwd]

That quotation you posted made no sense, given that he's solicited until issue 177 at the very least (it says 174).

http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=2&m=1&c=6&s=451

Robin 175 and 176 have been delayed several weeks each. Chance to relist/change?

[stealthwise]

http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=2&m=1&c=6&s=451

Robin 175 and 176 have been delayed several weeks each. Chance to relist/change?

Aw dammit, now I have to go back to my comic shop and just drop it starting now. Not that I was looking forward to anything to do with Batman RIP, but I was only buying Robin for Dixon's work, just like I only bought Nightwing Year One for the same reason.

[kello]

I'd love to see Gail or Geoff. But we'll probably end up with someone who'll screw up the title even further.

No doubt. This is what makes the news so sad, there's pretty much nowhere to go but down. I could see McKeever taking over, but even that doesn't help.

[DonC]

Maybe he didn't like being replaced with Tieri for two issues tho? and what if he wasn't happy with the direction Batman R.i.P was going?


"Batman R.I.P." has been in the works for years. Chuck was probably given a complete breakdown of what happens before he agreed to come back. If he didn't like what they were doing, I doubt he would have signed on to be a part of it.

[pariah-1972]

"Batman R.I.P." has been in the works for years. Chuck was probably given a complete breakdown of what happens before he agreed to come back. If he didn't like what they were doing, I doubt he would have signed on to be a part of it.Just spit balling i guess...i guess the only logical conclusion is the sales on his books weren't pleasing the bosses.

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

I'll give the new writer a shot-thats all. Things could be worse, he could be dead.

[Midina^_^]

I enjoy Chucks Robin, but when he does other books I have to say it's kind of lame.
I hope Robin dosen't go down the tubes. They just brought back Steph too...

[The Xenos]

"Batman R.I.P." has been in the works for years. Chuck was probably given a complete breakdown of what happens before he agreed to come back. If he didn't like what they were doing, I doubt he would have signed on to be a part of it.

I dunno. I think that assumes too much. This is DC editorial we're talking about. They were also working with Morrison on Final Crisis. Yet somehow they could not match 'Countdown (to Final Crisis)' to the script and outline for Final Crisis that Morrison gave them. Both Chuck and Grant have gone on record about DC editorials incompetence in getting their stories and writers to match up. Now Chuck did say that his editors were good to him, but inferred that it was someone above them mucking things up.

[Captain Jim]

Just spit balling i guess...i guess the only logical conclusion is the sales on his books weren't pleasing the bosses.

I really don't think this had anything to do with sales.

[suprmn19823]

Bring Back Dixon...again

[suprmn19823]

Bah.. EVERYONE knows "Nightwing" wasn't any good until Devin Grayson and Bruce Jones saved the book from mediocrity.








*puts on flame-resistant jumpsuit and crash helmet, walks into ghetto, screams N-word, runs* :wink:


:eek: what are you talking about those two made the book horrible!!!!!!!!!!!! devins early issues were good but they kept getting worse and worse. dixons nightwing was the best. he know the character inside and out!! he wrote dick graysons year one as robin and he wrote robin and detective at the same time. there was a real sense on continuity back then.:biggrin:

[d newton]

Devin's early issues were good but they kept getting worse and worse
Besides introducing the new Tarantula, how did they get worse & worse? BTW - have we seen Ms Flores OYL?

[Jack Zodiac]

She "broke" Dick Grayson and never tried to fix him. The idea of dragging a character down is to make them a stronger character in the end. Devin failed miserably. And Bruce Jones pissed on him even more when he "saved" him from his lull. Everything up until Blockbuster figuring out who Nightwing was in Grayson's run was good stuff. Everything after that until Wolfman and Tomasi took their turns on the book was awful.

[carabas]

She "broke" Dick Grayson and never tried to fix him. The idea of dragging a character down is to make them a stronger character in the end. Devin failed miserably.That's not quite what went down. Devin had a big story plotted out (and editorially okayed) along the familiar 'things get really bad for thehero, then they get worse, and then he comes out of it stronger than ever' structure. And then just before the final act Infinite Crisis hit and she was told to do something else instead.

[The Xenos]

Plus she was interrupted due to other crossovers. It's also kinda difficult to bring your character back up after knocking him down when you editor in chief wants the character dead. So as bad as Devin's run turned out to be in the end, I don't think the fault lies only on her.

[Captain Jim]

:eek: what are you talking about those two made the book horrible!!!!!!!!!!!! devins early issues were good but they kept getting worse and worse. dixons nightwing was the best. he know the character inside and out!! he wrote dick graysons year one as robin and he wrote robin and detective at the same time. there was a real sense on continuity back then.:biggrin:

I believe hokeyboy was kidding.