Amazing Spider-man #562 Spoilers and Discussion

[ShaggyB]

Not a clone, Not a skrull and nope not even the spider tracer killer. ..... then who is the other spider-man

Spidey #2 is Screwball.

This story addresses the Super Villain Bookie. Interesting convo at the front where Pete is given insight on how spidey is viewed by the public/cops. (That the stress of Civil War and World War Hulk has made him snap.)

He then fights a villain ive never seen before whom is doing it for money and the bookie.

Spidey #2 runs through the end of the fight and spidey gives chase. He comments ok, so this spidey is thinner than me and doesnt use webs. Ok cant be a clone and cant be a skrull. He web shoots the feet of spidey#2 and then un masks to find Screwball. She then tells him the location of the bookie.

Spidey goes, opens the door and sees all the villains chilling. To be continued.

[Jim Thompson]

I can only hope these developments didn't come as a surprise to anyone.

[Regulus B.]

I can only hope these developments didn't come as a surprise to anyone.

I, for one, was absolutely crushed it wasn't clones.

And per the Bookie's line, the internet apparently is for porn, even in the 616-verse.

[Jim Thompson]

I, for one, was absolutely crushed it wasn't clones.

And per the Bookie's line, the internet apparently is for porn, even in the 616-verse.I was disappointed -- but not surprised.

The internet existing for porn is now a cliche' joke, isn't it?

[Red Lotus]

I was looking forward to Spider-man going to the bar with no name, but seeing who is in it instead of a fight, the bad guys should all run or pee on themselves.

[ZT4]

Gay as goose resolution to a plotline I wanted to fit either Mr. Negative or the Spider-Tracer killer.

WAY to go Marvel.

[Prof. Warren]

A solid outing from Gale. I haven't disliked Gale's propensity for old-school stylings as much as some but I think that nearly everyone will agree that this is his best issue to date. He reigns in the excessive thought ballons and captions and the light story suits his approach. I liked the additonal glimpse into The Bookie's life and the reveal of who is under the other Spidey mask was sensible and satisfying. I didn't expect that it would be a major plot point (especially appearing in a two-issue arc), and it wasn't, but it offered a brief but welcome reapperance of one of the BND characters I'd like to see more of and it didn't require a heap of expository explanation to get there.

Some very funny lines here, too. "Prison's really taken its toll on you, Dan" might be my favorite of the issue.

Oh, and McKone's artwork was excellent.

[Matt Linton]

I've slammed Gale's previous issues, but this one was much better. I liked the resolution to the Spidey double (and if anyone called it ahead of time, I don't think they did it here). McKone's art was great throughout. This is probably his best work since Teen Titans.

On the supporting cast front, Vin was used well, if briefly. Having been in situations where you're rooming with someone you don't know very well, the dialogue between the two rang pretty true, as did Peter holding off on telling Vin he's out of work.

Nothing groundbreaking, but a fun little Spider-Man story that makes good use of Spidey, his supporting cast, and developing villains.

[CyberHubbs]

I've not been a huge fan of Gale's work, either, but this issue did renew some of my faith in any future Spidey stories he does. Plus, I liked Screwball's minor appearance. Glad it wasn't clones or skrulls or some mystical spider-golem. Hoping she makes more appearances in the next issue.

[DeadXMan]

I was disappointed -- but not surprised.

The internet existing for porn is now a cliche' joke, isn't it?

you mean there's more?

BTW the Bruiser is from Thunderbolts relaunch. He has fought Spidey one time

He's the Champ of The underground Super wrestling league.\

And screwball is sexy

[JamesOliva]

And speedball is sexy

Even with those spikes?

[DeadXMan]

Apparently fancy Dan isn't the only one that prison has taken it's toll on....:redface:

I meant screwball

[CyberHubbs]

Can anyone scan that one panel with Poundcakes in it? It's right before the Bookie says "Heh."

[Nyssane]

I would like to marry Gale, and anyone else who thought to use Poundcakes and the Serpent Society (UNLESS they die in the next issue in which case I will cry tears of sorrow). Seriously... this made my day just seeing them again, and I was having such an awful week with health problems and whatnot. :frown:

[CyberHubbs]

I would like to marry Gale, and anyone else who thought to use Poundcakes and the Serpent Society (UNLESS they die in the next issue in which case I will cry tears of sorrow). Seriously... this made my day just seeing them again, and I was having such an awful week with health problems and whatnot. :frown:

See?! ASM saved this person's LIFE!

[Cody H]

See?! ASM saved this person's LIFE!We really don't get enough of those kinds of posts these days.

[Muscles Coleman]

Question: on the recap page, Shriek is standing behind the bookie. I assume that's a panel from Swingshift (which I don't have). What was Shriek's role, if any at all? Just hanging out in the bar?

[Matt Linton]

If she's appeared at all, it's just been in the background at the Bar With No Name.

[Shade 20x6]

Mattie Franklin Redux.

Yay.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Mattie Franklin Redux.

Yay.

Problem with most of these idiots that appear in a Spidey suit is that they're idiots in a Spidey suit that no one really cares about or finds interesting. The last time someone else was in a Spidey suit and I actually cared about them was Amazing Spider-Man #263.

[Matt Linton]

Mattie Franklin Redux.

Yay.

This is why reading is better than skimming. Aside from both being girls dressed as Spidey, there's no similarity between the Mattie story and this one.

[Shade 20x6]

This is why reading is better than skimming. Aside from both being girls dressed as Spidey, there's no similarity between the Mattie story and this one.

I read the issue thoroughly.

It's the same basic story hook:

Who's the new Spider-Man? Why doesn't he have webbing? Oh my God, it's a girl!

Yay.

[bentleyml]

The whole issue just felt... meh.

The art was decent. The writing wasn't horrible. Wasn't surprised by the reveal of screwball being the other Spider-Man. I was hoping for something interesting and different. It just didn't feel new. I'm not sure what would have felt new, but this didn't.

I was almost hoping it was an aspect of Peter, somehow let out by the deal with Mephisto. Oh well. Could have been worse.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I liked the issue.

And while I like the art...I dunno, it doesn't really 'fit' Spidey. (Mike draws a good Spider-Man, though.)

I liked the line about prison taking it's toll on Dan. Funny stuff.

[Darth Logan]

What bugs me most about this issue is that Basher says for Spider-Man to meet him at "high noon". Then when we get to that scene it's the middle of the night! Then, right there in that same scene someone mentions that it's noon, yet the sky is full of stars. Then back at the bar, someone mentions that it's midnight. WTH? Did anyone bother to edit this thing?

[ZT4]

The other Spidey being a girl again...besides being abusive towards women in comics, Marvel generally LOVE saying "Spidey ought to be a transexual" dont they?

[DeadXMan]

What bugs me most about this issue is that Basher says for Spider-Man to meet him at "high noon". Then when we get to that scene it's the middle of the night! Then, right there in that same scene someone mentions that it's noon, yet the sky is full of stars. Then back at the bar, someone mentions that it's midnight. WTH? Did anyone bother to edit this thing?

midnight is 12:00 A.M.

and it a saying Basher was hamming it up for the Camera since his was in on the act.

[Darth Logan]

midnight is 12:00 A.M.

and it a saying Basher was hamming it up for the Camera since his is a wrestler

Yes, midnight is 12AM. Noon, as it was mentioned being twice, once during during the scene, is not.

[DeadXMan]

and what would midnite be for a mask -person running around the city ALL NIGHT?

[Choppa]

Um...so no one is going to mention the Civil War reference??

How could that have happened if no one knows who Spiderman is anymore??

We're really supposed to believe that everyone remembers seeing Spiderman unmask but just forgot who was under it?? I thought that was a joke?!

[Muscles Coleman]

Um...so no one is going to mention the Civil War reference??

How could that have happened if no one knows who Spiderman is anymore??

We're really supposed to believe that everyone remembers seeing Spiderman unmask but just forgot who was under it?? I thought that was a joke?!

Yes we are supposed to believe because - wait for it - it's a comic book! Really, I think you're looking for too much "sense" from a senseless medium. We've seen crazier shit in the MU.

[Matt Linton]

The other Spidey being a girl again...besides being abusive towards women in comics, Marvel generally LOVE saying "Spidey ought to be a transexual" dont they?

You mean like Spider-Girl? :tongue:

Seriously, though, how was anything in this comic "abusive towards women"?

[StoneGold]

Um...so no one is going to mention the Civil War reference??

How could that have happened if no one knows who Spiderman is anymore??

We're really supposed to believe that everyone remembers seeing Spiderman unmask but just forgot who was under it?? I thought that was a joke?!

Because people are used to it with superheroes. It happened with Captain America, it happened with Iron Man, it just happens from time to time.

[Dr. Chaos]

I've not been a huge fan of Gale's work, either, but this issue did renew some of my faith in any future Spidey stories he does. Plus, I liked Screwball's minor appearance. Glad it wasn't clones or skrulls or some mystical spider-golem. Hoping she makes more appearances in the next issue.
This was probably the first issue of Amazing Spider-Man that didn't make me think "what the hell does Marvel see in Gale?".

The issue was only really still decent but there weren't any cringe worthy moments like there have been in all of Bob's arcs up till this point. I still believe he should be taken out of the braintrust though. Just not the kind of guy that needs to be working on a flagship title like this in such a pivotal time for a character with guys like Dan Slott and Zeb Wells where his flaws become painfully apparent.

Screwball was also an interesting (and pleasing) choice, didn't see her coming at all.

I had money on a Mysterio illusion when I saw the cover.

*shakes fist*

Even with those spikes?
Very.

[ZT4]

Yes we are supposed to believe because - wait for it - it's a comic book!U.

And it's a badly written one, yay!:rolleyes:

Seriously, though, how was anything in this comic "abusive towards women"?

Did I SAY "THIS comic?" No.

Marvel ARE abusive towards women in general, that's been discussed billions of times and has it's own thread, you and the other BND elitists know this opinion has been stated already.

[Cody H]

Did I SAY "THIS comic?" No.No, but the fact that you said this:The other Spidey being a girl again...besides being abusive towards women in comics,Pretty much implies that you were referring to this specific comic. If not, I'm not sure how the sentence makes sense.

[Tobias Drake]

Screwball seemed slightly less lame this arc than she did last arc. Still not sold on the character, though. Which is a shame, since I was most enthusiastic about her than anyone else when they were announcing the new villains. Ah, the bitter, bitter, taste of disappointment.

[StoneGold]

It's funny, I was going to be all pissed off about a story element, because in California, if a former employer badmouths you to a prospective employer, you can sue the crap out of them. But I asked around, and New York has different laws regarding that.

[Jim Thompson]

Seriously, though, how was anything in this comic "abusive towards women"?Yeah, I'm sort of curious about your reasoning here, too. I just don't see this as an example of being abusive toward women.

[timbox]

So did Gale come up with the whole smoking/coughing dad anti-smoking bit, or was that an editorial mandate. There was also a big anti-smoking push in the X-Force Ain't No Dog one-shot.

[Jim Thompson]

So did Gale come up with the whole smoking/coughing dad anti-smoking bit, or was that an editorial mandate. There was also a big anti-smoking push in the X-Force Ain't No Dog one-shot.Quesada theoretically has a no-smoking policy in effect at Marvel (though no one I know of has ever been able to produce it!). Doesn't want to negativily effect the kiddies.

You can make a deal with a demon, just don't smoke while you're doing it. :biggrin:

[Matt Linton]

Did I SAY "THIS comic?" No.

Marvel ARE abusive towards women in general, that's been discussed billions of times and has it's own thread, you and the other BND elitists know this opinion has been stated already.

Well, first, how exactly am I (or anyone else) an elitist in regards to BND?

Second, you made the comment in a sentence referring to a girl dressing up as Spider-Man, in a thread about THIS comic. What was the point of making the comment if it didn't have anything to do with either this comic or Screwball dressing up as Spider-Man?

[ShaggyB]

Well, first, how exactly am I (or anyone else) an elitist in regards to BND?

Second, you made the comment in a sentence referring to a girl dressing up as Spider-Man, in a thread about THIS comic. What was the point of making the comment if it didn't have anything to do with either this comic or Screwball dressing up as Spider-Man?

simply put there was no point to the comment other than to voice a complaint in a BND thread. Also Spidey never hurt her. He joked about it. Then umasked her. then they talked then he left. She seems fine and un harmed to me.

side note: I want to know what the deal with ScrewBall is??? Whats her powers, why is she faster than spidey. I get she is athletic..... But something is up.


Um...so no one is going to mention the Civil War reference??

How could that have happened if no one knows who Spiderman is anymore??

We're really supposed to believe that everyone remembers seeing Spiderman unmask but just forgot who was under it?? I thought that was a joke?!

This is the real story for those whom have issues with continuity. CIVIL WAR is brought up and the Unmasking is avoided.

Is it a bad thing to avoid that? Not really the back page explanation of parker unmasking and everyone forgetting is stupid. Im thinking Spidey-Brian Trust has decided that cant work and will push on like the press conference never happened.

But who knows. Answers are coming to some things....


Final note: Cup-o-joe Week 12..... JQ says Brand New Day banner will be removed by end of the summer. (being that its on the New Ways to Die promo pics, id say after that.)


Question: "When will Amazing Spider-Man stop being labeled "Brand New Day," and just be regular old Spidey?"

JQ: "It's all just regular old Spidey, but we were asked by various retailers to keep the banner on a bit longer so they had an easier time driving new readers to the current issues, so we obliged. The banner will most likely come off sometime over the summer."

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Why the hell would retailers want the BND banner on the front cover? This leads me to infer one of two things is true:

1. Comic retailers are of low intellect and thus can't remember that BND started in ASM #546 and continues on from there...

2. Joe Q is a lying twat...

Personally, I believe it's option number 2, folks.:evilsmile:

[ShaggyB]

Why the hell would retailers want the BND banner on the front cover? This leads me to infer one of two things is true:

1. Comic retailers are of low intellect and thus can't remember that BND started in ASM #546 and continues on from there...

2. Joe Q is a lying twat...

Personally, I believe it's option number 2, folks.:evilsmile:

Or option #3. Comic retailers did ask for that but mostly to steer people away from it. JQ just puts positive spin on it.

[StoneGold]

Why the hell would retailers want the BND banner on the front cover? This leads me to infer one of two things is true:

1. Comic retailers are of low intellect and thus can't remember that BND started in ASM #546 and continues on from there...

2. Joe Q is a lying twat...

Personally, I believe it's option number 2, folks.:evilsmile:

Or, option C, books with banners on them tend to sell better. Doubt me? Go look at the sales data, see how many of the top 10 books are involved in events of some kind.


And that's the problem when you drop down to the petty insults, it generally only makes you look like what you're calling someone else.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

This issue also gives me more reason to believe in that whole "DB is Mephisto" thought.

All I can say is if that is the case, I won't be shocked when it's revealed.

[CyberHubbs]

This issue also gives me more reason to believe in that whole "DB is Mephisto" thought.

All I can say is if that is the case, I won't be shocked when it's revealed.

I hope not. He just needs to be a powerful, ruthless human being that makes Peter's life miserable without ever donning a mask. Or tights. Please, pleeeeeaaaase don't let Bennett put on tights.

Ew.

[Tobias Drake]

He's the Red Hulk. :tongue:

[Jim Thompson]

He's the Red Hulk. :tongue:The imp in me wants him to be Mr. Negative. :evilsmile:

[The Shadow]

The internet existing for porn is now a cliche' joke, isn't it?
...... joke?.... I thought it was a fact.....

[Jim Thompson]

...... joke?.... I thought it was a fact.....Guess we'll have to ask Vice President Gore.

[Tetsuo_man]

...... joke?.... I thought it was a fact.....

I always thought it was one of those jokes that are funny (or at least in this case used to be) becaue they are true.

[Dr. Chaos]

To add on to the petty complaints about this issue, I'm no longer buying Amazing Spider-Man becuase Screwball's hair is purple, not pink like I wanted.

Sorry, just can't do it anymore, Dan.

[Jim Thompson]

To add on to the petty complaints about this issue, I'm no longer buying Amazing Spider-Man becuase Screwball's hair is purple, not pink like I wanted.

Sorry, just can't do it anymore, Dan.Y'know, there is something really sad in the notion that BND haters are so passionate in their contempt for what's being done with Spider-Man right now, I can't tell if this is a joke or not. :eek:

[Froggy]

To add on to the petty complaints about this issue, I'm no longer buying Amazing Spider-Man becuase Screwball's hair is purple, not pink like I wanted.

Sorry, just can't do it anymore, Dan. lmao

I enjoyed the issue...the other spiderman reveal had me laughing tbh

[Choppa]

Yes we are supposed to believe because - wait for it - it's a comic book! Really, I think you're looking for too much "sense" from a senseless medium. We've seen crazier shit in the MU.

For reals? I'm not a regular Marvel reader so I'm not aware if this kind of thing is the norm. I thought Marvel continuity was really tight.

[Tobias Drake]

The imp in me wants him to be Mr. Negative. :evilsmile:

He's Jackpot! :tongue:

[ShaggyB]

For reals? I'm not a regular Marvel reader so I'm not aware if this kind of thing is the norm. I thought Marvel continuity was really tight.

Oh its much tighter than say DC.... But again looking for logic and such in a world where the rules of logic are often discarded is more of what he was refering to. There will always be logic gaps and stuff that doesnt make sence but over all the big MArvel picture is much less jumbled than DC is. I can explain to you Spider-man but i still have no clue how to explain Hawkman over in DC.

[mikekerr3]

Or, option C, books with banners on them tend to sell better. Doubt me? Go look at the sales data, see how many of the top 10 books are involved in events of some kind.


And that's the problem when you drop down to the petty insults, it generally only makes you look like what you're calling someone else.

i believe you are right about the reason for the banner, Joe;s not lying about this. I know its strange but he sometimes tell the truth.

[Nick MB]

i believe you are right about the reason for the banner, Joe;s not lying about this. I know its strange but he sometimes tell the truth.

Sad but true. I remember when Civil War finished and a bunch of books had Initiative banners, and sales took a nose dive on almost all of them as soon as the banners were removed.

[RazorBats79]

Apologies if someone else had already mentioned this, but I thought the "continued in Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk 3!" was an incredibly bad joke.

Other than that, I appreciate that some people like the new Spidey books. I admit that I bought this issue. In fact I've bought 3 issues since that retarded "Freak" arc and each time I see why I stopped buying them. I've also had 2 books have the middle pages come loose because of the sh*te paper their using! That doesn't happen with USM or others. I hope they get their f*cking act together by the time Romita Jr comes back.
End Rant.

[JCurwen]

Apologies if someone else had already mentioned this, but I thought the "continued in Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk 3!" was an incredibly bad joke.

I thought it was pretty funny myself.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Apologies if someone else had already mentioned this, but I thought the "continued in Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk 3!" was an incredibly bad joke.

Other than that, I appreciate that some people like the new Spidey books. I admit that I bought this issue. In fact I've bought 3 issues since that retarded "Freak" arc and each time I see why I stopped buying them. I've also had 2 books have the middle pages come loose because of the sh*te paper their using! That doesn't happen with USM or others. I hope they get their f*cking act together by the time Romita Jr comes back.
End Rant.

wow i havent had any problems with pages falling out of any of the comics ive bought. the only problems ive ever had with comics and graphic novels has been issues my dog has gotten a hold of :(

[Tobias Drake]

I thought it was pretty funny myself.

So did I. It's nice to see Marvel willing to take potshots at itself.

[Cody H]

wow i havent had any problems with pages falling out of any of the comics ive bought.Razor's not the only one. A few pages fell out of one of my recent Nova comics and I've noticed over the last year that a few pages in some of the Amazing Spider-Man comics are also on the verge of falling out. So yeah, do something about it, Marvel! Brand New Day? How about Brand New Stapler, Marvel?

.....

(Terrible, terrible, post.)

[Otherguy]

wasnt a too good issue... i liked the art and the lines were good. but somehow, it didnt give me the will i always have to read the next issue, well maybe because there were'nt any hints about MJ or the spider tracer killer or another bigger mystery.

and am i the only one who thinks screwball will turn sometime to spideys side? they would make a great team imo

[Cody H]

and am i the only one who thinks screwball will turn sometime to spideys side? they would make a great team imoIt's definitely possible. We haven't seen her do anything especially villanous (impersonate Spidey, robbery) so teaming up wouldn't seem completely out of the question. On the other hand, that doesn't mean she isn't capable of some pretty nasty and villanous stuff.

[DeadXMan]

It's definitely possible. We haven't seen her do anything especially villanous (impersonate Spidey, robbery) so teaming up wouldn't seem completely out of the question. On the other hand, that doesn't mean she isn't capable of some pretty nasty and villanous stuff.

She has this early Black Cat feel. I can definitly see her staying around

[mikekerr3]

So did I. It's nice to see Marvel willing to take potshots at itself.

Fixing the problem instead of laughing it off would be better

[Otherguy]

It's definitely possible. We haven't seen her do anything especially villanous (impersonate Spidey, robbery) so teaming up wouldn't seem completely out of the question. On the other hand, that doesn't mean she isn't capable of some pretty nasty and villanous stuff.

too me she seems like a go-getter... not someone really evil. she just need some excitment and want to be a little bit famous (her website)...

they would be a great team imo^^ actually i can see how spidey, jackpot, and screwball are getting teamed up. and yeah, i would like to see a bit more of jackpot action.

[Cody H]

She has this early Black Cat feel.Yeah, she kinda does.too me she seems like a go-getter... not someone really evil. she just need some excitment and want to be a little bit famous (her website)...Yeah, that's my take on her so far as well. It would actually make for an interesting twist if she turns out to be far more sinister than we all think, though. Actually, now that I think about it, that's what I like about her so far; there are so many places to go with her character-wise.

[BlackToe]

I thought it was pretty funny myself.

Same here, I actually laughed abit.

[DeadXMan]

Fixing the problem instead of laughing it off would be better

so you want to replace both the writer and The artist in mid story?

That's not fixing the problem
that's making it worse.

might as well have Austien and liefild finish the last Galactus Story while your at it

[Jim Thompson]

might as well have Austien and liefild finish the last Galactus Story while your at itBut then Galactus would have no feet! :eek:

[DeadXMan]

Ay! and it would turn out he eats cause it satisfies him sexually.
(woa to the choclate people of the Carmal six)

[Tobias Drake]

It's definitely possible. We haven't seen her do anything especially villanous (impersonate Spidey, robbery) so teaming up wouldn't seem completely out of the question. On the other hand, that doesn't mean she isn't capable of some pretty nasty and villanous stuff.

She almost wet herself out of abject terror when Spidey put a Spider-Tracer on her. She definitely isn't capable of anything more villainous than being a minor annoyance in his day.

[Jim Thompson]

She almost wet herself out of abject terror when Spidey put a Spider-Tracer on her. She definitely isn't capable of anything more villainous than being a minor annoyance in his day.Couple of people have said this. I didn't read it that way. I read it as her playing to the crowd (particularly the cops who were there) so she could have them chase Spidey off.

[Otherguy]

Couple of people have said this. I didn't read it that way. I read it as her playing to the crowd (particularly the cops who were there) so she could have them chase Spidey off.

yeah i agree. but so or so, she isnt that evil imo

[Magneto Rocks]

The Ultimate Wolverine versus Hulk joke made me laugh more than any joke in comics for a long time.

[Venom]

It was a decent story. Mike McKone's artwork was bloody amazing. It's a shame that he wasn't paired with a better writer. The problem with Bob Gale is that he doesn't understand the supporting characters. Aunt May's looking forward to Peter moving out and then in Dan Slott's story that follows she's concerned about his welfare and his future, but not over the top just as she should be.

And I can't believe Betty Brant is actually thinking that Spidey could be a killer. She should know him better than that especially after he helped her clear her dead husband's name with the whole Hobgoblin fiasco. Betty really has taken huge steps backwards after her big character progression during "Civil War" and "Back In Black".

[Tobias Drake]

Couple of people have said this. I didn't read it that way. I read it as her playing to the crowd (particularly the cops who were there) so she could have them chase Spidey off.

So did I, until the part where she was legitimately arrested. If she was just chasing Spidey off, she would have taken the opportunity to escape while the police were distracted. She didn't. She clearly stated in this issue that she's impersonating him because the bookie got her out of prison, meaning that she did legitimately allow herself to be arrested in her last appearance to escape from Spider-Man.

Her one last chance to be a decent antagonist is dead.

[Mister Mets]

So did I, until the part where she was legitimately arrested. If she was just chasing Spidey off, she would have taken the opportunity to escape while the police were distracted. She didn't. She clearly stated in this issue that she's impersonating him because the bookie got her out of prison, meaning that she did legitimately allow herself to be arrested in her last appearance to escape from Spider-Man.

Her one last chance to be a decent antagonist is dead.She clearly confessed her crime to the cops in ASM #559, after freaking out when Spider-Man put a spider tracer on her.

On a side note, I thought it was pretty cool to see Gale use one of Slott's characters so quickly. This is something which would be much more awkward with three different Spider-Man titles.

[AbdulAziz]

Does anyone beside me think ScrewBall is a rehash of "Roxxie Rocket"?
A terrible one to me

[stupots]

Have I missed anything or has the fact that we're back to mechanical web-shooters been addressed in Brand New Day?:confused:

[Jim Thompson]

So did I, until the part where she was legitimately arrested. If she was just chasing Spidey off, she would have taken the opportunity to escape while the police were distracted. She didn't. She clearly stated in this issue that she's impersonating him because the bookie got her out of prison, meaning that she did legitimately allow herself to be arrested in her last appearance to escape from Spider-Man.

Her one last chance to be a decent antagonist is dead.So she was so freaked out by being tabbed with a spider-tracer -- that she decided to dress up like Spider-Man and get his attention again? :confused:

[Cody H]

yeah i agree. but so or so, she isnt that evil imoGenerally, I agree but I think there's room for her to little, let's say, cagier than she appears to be.So did I, until the part where she was legitimately arrested. If she was just chasing Spidey off, she would have taken the opportunity to escape while the police were distracted. She didn't. She clearly stated in this issue that she's impersonating him because the bookie got her out of prison, meaning that she did legitimately allow herself to be arrested in her last appearance to escape from Spider-Man.So she was so freaked out by being tabbed with a spider-tracer -- that she decided to dress up like Spider-Man and get his attention again? :confused: Yeah, she didn't seem all that terrified of him after being webbed up, which again makes me think her freakout was more for show than anything. Maybe she was trying to gain media attention by sound biting the spider-tracer killer publicity? I know that still doesn't explain why she chose to get arrested but perhaps she knew she could escape. I mean, with her website production crew (the folks who record her stunts), she's clearly not working alone. Now clearly I'm just trying to rationalize here, but I don't think its beyond the realm of plausibility or anything.Her one last chance to be a decent antagonist is dead.She's only appeared twice, I wouldn't write her off just yet. Though I wouldn't expect her to be the main focus of a multi-part Spidey classic, either.

[BlackToe]

She's the kind of character that we'll see in other titles as a second rate banana "villain".

She could possibly be a Punisher arc. Solely because I know Frank would have problems dealing with her, because she's not a usual bad guy. Not in the sense of abilities, but she doesnt strike me as someone Frank would kill. He would have problems dealing with that in himself to do what Punisher does.

[Tobias Drake]

She's only appeared twice, I wouldn't write her off just yet. Though I wouldn't expect her to be the main focus of a multi-part Spidey classic, either.

Neither would I. I had high hopes for her to be a fun occasional antagonist. Nothing epic and world-shattering, but someone fun and nifty who could pop up from time to time to irritate Spidey. But as of yet, her performance hasn't even justified that. The less we hear from her in the future, the better. She has utterly failed to impress.

[ShaggyB]

Does anyone beside me think ScrewBall is a rehash of "Roxxie Rocket"?
A terrible one to me

I dont know, my only experiance with her is via the superman animated series. If thats the one you mean then ill take screwball anyday.

[DeadXMan]

it is

She feells like an early black cat.

I can't wait for the next issue. I think it will have a warriors feel to it. With Spidey fighting his way out

[Shade 20x6]

it is

She feells like an early black cat.

I can't wait for the next issue. I think it will have a warriors feel to it. With Spidey fighting his way out

And that's part of the problem. BND just feels like a cheap rehash rather than something breaking new, significant ground.

[ZT4]

Jackpot feels more like a 1980s rip-off of "Amazing Friends" Firestar

[BlackToe]

And that's part of the problem. BND just feels like a cheap rehash rather than something breaking new, significant ground.

Spider-man hasnt been breaking new, significant ground since Kravens Last Hunt. And even then, it has elements of formula from older work in the golden years.

[Jim Thompson]

Spider-man hasnt been breaking new, significant ground since Kravens Last Hunt. And even then, it has elements of formula from older work in the golden years.Unture -- the Clone Saga broke a ton of new ground. It's just most people didn't like the ground it broke. :frown:

[Mako]

And that's part of the problem. BND just feels like a cheap rehash rather than something breaking new, significant ground.

*yawn*

This again? There have been comics out there since the 30's. If you want to be a nitpicker, if you want to scour over every detail, and hold anything you don't like up to scrutiny, you can call ANYTHING a rehash. This is one of the rallying cries of the BND Haters that I find the most laughable.

So what is Screwball now? I've seen people say everything from Black Cat ripoff, Rocket Racer ripoff, Roxy Rocket ripoff, Slyde ripoff, and half a dozen others. I can't wait to see what they'll say next.

There's no pleasing BND Haters, they'll find something to pick at one week and then pick at the exact opposite thing the next week.

There was one poster who kept talking about how "lame" it was to use new villains.
Then when it was mentioned that BND might do something with Mysterio, that same poster sarcastically said, "How original!" So? What is BND supposed to do? Use NO villains? :rolleyes:

And how is it that most of the people screaming "rehash" the loudest are people who say they aren't even reading the book? :wink:

[ShaggyB]

Unture -- the Clone Saga broke a ton of new ground. It's just most people didn't like the ground it broke. :frown:

And now they are doing it again in Amazing Spider-girl and Ultimate has done that too....

Face it people as we get older... Plots will be re-used from when we are younger. There arent too many fresh ideas out there that dont touch on something someone has already done either in the book or in another book. (Freak / Doomsday is a good example)

[Jim Thompson]

And now they are doing it again in Amazing Spider-girl and Ultimate has done that too....

Face it people as we get older... Plots will be re-used from when we are younger. There arent too many fresh ideas out there that dont touch on something someone has already done either in the book or in another book. (Freak / Doomsday is a good example)But you point out one of the strengths of the Clone Saga -- it was an original idea (at least in comics).

[Rahul]

Not bad. Could have been better. And for once, no annoying dialogue! And great art to boot!


The things I really liked:

- A villain who lives in his parents' house!
-An attempt to reintegrate continuity or something
-Policeman roomate can have potential..

The things I am apprehensive about:
-Screwball being another Black Cat.
-"I quit the job due to ethical reasons"(dimbulb that one, and not handled well)

[Jim Thompson]

Not bad. Could have been better. And for once, no annoying dialogue! And great art to boot!


The things I really liked:

- A villain who lives in his parents' house!
-An attempt to reintegrate continuity or something
-Policeman roomate can have potential..

The things I am apprehensive about:
-Screwball being another Black Cat.
-"I quit the job due to ethical reasons"(dimbulb that one, and not handled well)I thought the art in this last issue was beautiful, but the story has finally completely lost my interest -- or rather, it's gotten too annoying for me to enjoy. One good arc (Slott's last one) over the course of all these issues for me just isn't enough.

[ShaggyB]

But you point out one of the strengths of the Clone Saga -- it was an original idea (at least in comics).

correct me if im wrong but Wasnt Bizarro a clone before he was from bizarro world? Originally it was a clone ray but then post crisis in 86 wasnt he a clone made by luthor of superman? Im pretty sure its not a "Clone Saga" per sey but the idea of Spidey having a clone and it being twisted evil like Kaine can be directly traced to Superman and Bizarro.

Eitherway not all Original ideas are totally original.

[Matt Linton]

I thought Jackpot was the Black Cat ripoff? Now it's Screwball? Funny, given that the only thing Jackpot and Screwball have in common is being female.

[Jim Thompson]

correct me if im wrong but Wasnt Bizarro a clone before he was from bizarro world? Originally it was a clone ray but then post crisis in 86 wasnt he a clone made by luthor of superman? Im pretty sure its not a "Clone Saga" per sey but the idea of Spidey having a clone and it being twisted evil like Kaine can be directly traced to Superman and Bizarro.

Eitherway not all Original ideas are totally original.Spidey's clone showed up in the early 1970s, so I think it pre-dates Byrne's use of Bizarro as a clone. However, having said that, wasn't the original Bizarro something Luthor created somehow? I don't know enough about early Superman stuff to know.

Still, Bizarro wasn't ever, to my knowledge, used a device to replace Superman. The most original part of the Clone Saga, to me, was the notion that the character people had been reading about for 20 years was, in fact, a clone.

[ShaggyB]

Spidey's clone showed up in the early 1970s, so I think it pre-dates Byrne's use of Bizarro as a clone. However, having said that, wasn't the original Bizarro something Luthor created somehow? I don't know enough about early Superman stuff to know.

Still, Bizarro wasn't ever, to my knowledge, used a device to replace Superman. The most original part of the Clone Saga, to me, was the notion that the character people had been reading about for 20 years was, in fact, a clone.

bizarro was originally a science experiment with a clone ray gone wrong and hitting superboy (younger aged superman of smallville) 1958. Luthor remake was in 86 as a clone to combat and replace superman with.... Only Bizarro degenerated and became uncontrolable. Bizarro world originally was an abandoned warehouse dressed up to look like matroplais inside. Later he was retconned to coming from bizarro world an alternate reality.

Likewise Bizarro was a clone of superman that sought to replace him originally. He then was a clone created by cloning for defense and replacement/control of superman. He then becomes a twisted version of superman ala Kaine and Peter.

But again in all things its a stretch to say one can directly from the other but the influences are there.

[ZT4]

This is one of the rallying cries of the BND Haters that I find the most laughable.

I find the BND elitists swallowing any far less dramatic mediocre b-list plot like it'd have an eisner even more laughable.:rolleyes:

So what is Screwball now?

Crap?:rolleyes:

Then when it was mentioned that BND might do something with Mysterio, that same poster sarcastically said, "How original!" So? What is BND supposed to do? Use NO villains? :rolleyes:

Once again, another condescending pot-shot from a BND elitist. How original:rolleyes:

They can use new villains. A lot. But what makes them "lame" is that they are fracking UNMEMORABLE. Make them STICK.

[ShaggyB]

They can use new villains. A lot. But what makes them "lame" is that they are fracking UNMEMORABLE. Make them STICK.

How do you know they wont at this point? Menace to battle Green Goblin, Anti-Venom to fight Venom, Kraven the woman vs Spidey, Screwball has potential to be atleast a black cat copy (therefore having her stick around), Mr. Negative has a plot running that will likely involve May, Paperdoll can be tweaked to become a regular annoyance to spidey.

Basically for them to make them memorable, you have to give them a chance to be used.

Venom was a new character that old fans hated when he debuted.... ask any kid who spideys arch villain is and you will hear the name Venom. He was hated by some of the old gaurd and yet remains to this day a memorable character for spidey to fight.

I dont think its that BND characters arent Memorable, its more that some people dont wish to remember anything past OMD.

[The Shadow]

How do you know they wont at this point? Menace to battle Green Goblin, Anti-Venom to fight Venom, Kraven the woman vs Spidey, Screwball has potential to be atleast a black cat copy (therefore having her stick around), Mr. Negative has a plot running that will likely involve May, Paperdoll can be tweaked to become a regular annoyance to spidey.

Basically for them to make them memorable, you have to give them a chance to be used.
Good points.

While the only real way to see if they stick around will be time, it's not easy to create the next Dr Doom or Venom as the next great villain.

Hell, some of the memorable "classic" villains are only memorable because they are old. Vulture, Rhino and Electro for example. Nothing is singularly spectacular about any of them but they have age on their side and are therefor deemed "classic"... but if someone like the Rhino were to debut today people would laugh at it.

I think of the BND villains so far Mr Negative and Paperdoll have the most potential to stick around while Screwball may have some staying power as a Black Cat-type character.

[DeadXMan]

if they brought out the green Goblin tday as they did in the 60's. I bet the haters would complian about him being lame.

[Dr. Chaos]

Good points.

While the only real way to see if they stick around will be time, it's not easy to create the next Dr Doom or Venom as the next great villain.

Hell, some of the memorable "classic" villains are only memorable because they are old. Vulture, Rhino and Electro for example. Nothing is singularly spectacular about any of them but they have age on their side and are therefor deemed "classic"... but if someone like the Rhino were to debut today people would laugh at it.

I think of the BND villains so far Mr Negative and Paperdoll have the most potential to stick around while Screwball may have some staying power as a Black Cat-type character.
Right.

What it boils down to for alot of characters is that they've had decades of stories to "stick", I think characters like Doc Ock and Mysterio are still very original and appealing today as concept villians but as far as their status as memorable Spider-Man rogues, they've gotten that way because the writers took their time and invested in them.

Some people won't admit it but it's exactly why villains like The Rhino get a pass despite how dumb they may seem.

[ShaggyB]

I think the two biggest examples of this are

1) Hobgoblin
2) Venom

When Hob landed, people screamed rip off of Green Goblin. To be quite honest i prefered the hobster over Norman. Always have. Over in Amazing Spider-Girl Hob is used and no one complains aobut his rip off-ness now.

Venom was the same yet different. He was a gritty 90s villain that most people back then thought of as a shameless attempt to create a new villain. Even today people question his motivations.

The point is both characters debuted and didnt win over every fan, but today they are still considered classics.

There is no telling which BND villain will join those ranks, but there is only one way to find out. Wait and see.

Likewise you cant complain that they dont have staying power if you arent willing to give them the chance to stay around to begin with...

[Jim Thompson]

1) Hobgoblin

When Hob landed, people screamed rip off of Green Goblin. To be quite honest i prefered the hobster over Norman. Always have. I'm with you. I think the Hobgoblin (the Stern version) is far superior to the Green Goblin, and always have.

[BlackToe]

I didnt like Hobby that much. And the cartoon got me disliking him moreso growing up on it. I thought he was overused quite abit there.

[Jim Thompson]

I didnt like Hobby that much. And the cartoon got me disliking him moreso growing up on it. I thought he was overused quite abit there.I think he did get overused in the cartoon -- but in the comics, he rocked!

[BlackToe]

I think he did get overused in the cartoon -- but in the comics, he rocked!

I liked Demogoblin better.

[Jim Thompson]

I liked Demogoblin better.Bleech! :mad:

[BlackToe]

Bleech! :mad:

Really?!? Even his origin in Inferno?

[Jim Thompson]

Really?!? Even his origin in Inferno?Bleech! :mad:

[Tobias Drake]

Menace! *flees from thrown vegetables*

Seriously this time, I gotta go with Harrygoblin. It's the legacy that sold it to me. But I can't confess to have that much experience with Hobgoblin.

[The Shadow]

I'm with you. I think the Hobgoblin (the Stern version) is far superior to the Green Goblin, and always have.

Yeah... Hobgoblin has always been among my favorite villains.

[Mister Mets]

Random prediction (which I'll later discover was confirmed elsewhere months ago)...

Vin will help Peter get a job as a crime photographer, until Peter's no longer blacklisted in the industry.

[Tobias Drake]

Random prediction (which I'll later discover was confirmed elsewhere months ago)...

Vin will help Peter get a job as a crime photographer, until Peter's no longer blacklisted in the industry.

Which may or may not put him working directly with Carlie. I like it!

[Matt Linton]

I know I made that same prediction somewhere, but I can't find it now.