Would you still read ASM if OMD happend but BND didn't?

[rZi]

Hey guys, most of you probably recognise me as I was a frequent poster in this forum up until about 3 months ago, so just to clarify im not dead and you have been missed :tongue:

Although i don't read any Spider-Man titles anymore i have heard some positive reviews and comments on it so i was curious as to how most of you would think of this idea;

OMD still happens exactly the same
FNSM & SSM are not canceled and deal with the ramifications of this just like normal still under the same writters.
ASM still has JMS on the book and is published as a monthly.

No new writters, no new artists, no weekly format.

Would you still be interested as much?

Although i don't read ASM i was thinking how the 2 satellite books could focus on different parts of the new aspect of BND i.e.

FNSM - PAD explores jackpot and sara
SSM - Aguirre-Sacasa deals with Menace and both swap elements around like the new supporting cast and what not.

Just wanted to know your thoughts on all of this...

p.s. having no spider-man fix in my life has been a bitter 3 months to say the least. :frown:

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Hey guys, most of you probably recognise me as I was a frequent poster in this forum up until about 3 months ago, so just to clarify im not dead and you have been missed :tongue:

Although i don't read any Spider-Man titles anymore i have heard some positive reviews and comments on it so i was curious as to how most of you would think of this idea;

OMD still happens exactly the same
FNSM & SSM are not canceled and deal with the ramifications of this just like normal still under the same writters.
ASM still has JMS on the book and is published as a monthly.

No new writters, no new artists, no weekly format.

Would you still be interested as much?

Although i don't read ASM i was thinking how the 2 satellite books could focus on different parts of the new aspect of BND i.e.

FNSM - PAD explores jackpot and sara
SSM - Aguirre-Sacasa deals with Menace and both swap elements around like the new supporting cast and what not.

Just wanted to know your thoughts on all of this...

p.s. having no spider-man fix in my life has been a bitter 3 months to say the least. :frown:

I would have still dropped it. OMD irretrievably changed Peter Parker for the worst in my opinion.:mad:

[Matt Linton]

I'd have checked it out, but chances are I'd have bought about the same as I did: Amazing semi-regularly, same with FNSM, and not bought Sensational at all. I don't really think things would have flowed as well in the old format, either.

[Jim Thompson]

I'd have checked it out, but chances are I'd have bought about the same as I did: Amazing semi-regularly, same with FNSM, and not bought Sensational at all. I don't really think things would have flowed as well in the old format, either.Agreed. While I bought all the books before, I think perhaps the single best thing to come out of the OMD retcon was the streamlining of Spider-Man stories into one book.

[Mister Mets]

Depends. I'd still take a $50 for 36 issues subscription offer.

Otherwise, I'd certainly buy Slott's book. I might've picked up Gale's book, just because of my love of Curt Connors and initial hopes for Freak. I'd likely buy Guggenheim and Wells's work.

However, given the increased focus in Peter Parker's private life, I do believe the series works much better as one book that comes out three times a month, as opposed to three separate monthlies with their own creative teams, and subplots.

[ZT4]

Nah. I wasnt even buying the titles when Cival War all but destroyed the character before OMD did. I byrne-stole the ones fans recommended, and bought the annual for obvious "no BS" reasons, but OMD would have drove me away regardless, it was the last straw for me as a fan.

[Darkhalen]

i don't read either so for me no, however if i was to put it on a professional level, i would be curious to see what they came up with after these events and i would pick up the first few copies to make up my decision.

[matthewaos]

If JMS was staying I would surely had dropped it. I was ready to do it after the other, but then a rumor that he is leaving after thr the other came. Then after CW. Then BnB...

[The Shadow]

I would have kept buying it.

No Byrne-stealing from me.

[ZT4]

That a subtle stab at moir?

[Dr. Chaos]

I'm guessing probably not if JMS' run had continued.

As a fan, the book had really just become a stale overdramatized mess to me that became more and more undefined over time.

Still taking off the marriage would be great but if JMS was still onboard, I question how much of the book would really change.

[Tanjint]

OMD is the problem not BND.

As someone who dropped the spider-books after OMD, I'll say this:

It's not even what happened in OMD but how it was done.

I remember a few months before OMD even was over and the solicits for BND were already out. I was hella excited. Slott? McNiven? You kiddin' me! I thought "How are they gonna keep me AWAY from these books?"

and I knew the rumors about OMD and the marriage dissolution, I just wanted it to be done WELL. If JMS did OMD using the street spidey costume that appeared circa ASM 500 and tying up that whole story with LaMont and all that, I would have been totally fine with the marriage gone if JMS' over-all awesome run was truly finished. But OMD still left me feeling like it wasn't over and since it was JMS last issue, I knew it never would be. and that's why I can't buy the spidey books anymore. Because even when a great writer does a great run, Marvel is so concerned with change and progression in spidey books that they can't even let said writer finish that run.

I would have been totally fine with BND AND OMD if they happened AFTER JMS' run was done.

-T

[The Shadow]

That a subtle stab at moir?

Nope.

If I'm not buying a title because I don't like it (because of creative teams, direction or whatever) I'm sure as heck not gonna waste my time reading it. There are far too many books I like and am interested in to do that.

[The Shadow]

stale

That's a good word for it.

It wasn't BAD per se, but it had become stale and some fresh blood was needed.

[Cody H]

Hey guys, most of you probably recognise me as I was a frequent poster in this forum up until about 3 months ago, so just to clarify im not dead and you have been missed :tongue:

Although i don't read any Spider-Man titles anymore i have heard some positive reviews and comments on it so i was curious as to how most of you would think of this idea;

OMD still happens exactly the same
FNSM & SSM are not canceled and deal with the ramifications of this just like normal still under the same writters.
ASM still has JMS on the book and is published as a monthly.

No new writters, no new artists, no weekly format.

Would you still be interested as much?

Although i don't read ASM i was thinking how the 2 satellite books could focus on different parts of the new aspect of BND i.e.

FNSM - PAD explores jackpot and sara
SSM - Aguirre-Sacasa deals with Menace and both swap elements around like the new supporting cast and what not.

Just wanted to know your thoughts on all of this...

p.s. having no spider-man fix in my life has been a bitter 3 months to say the least. :frown:Yup, I'd still definetly be in. I very much enjoyed all the creative teams prior to OMD and after re-reading some of Aguirre-Sacasa's stuff on Sensational, I'm kind of missing him.

Welcome back, by the way.

[mikekerr3]

No, not ever until the deal is retconed Marvel gets no money for 616 Spidey from me, Not a single dime. The deal ruined what I liked best of about him.

IF they had made the rotating authors and the thrice monthly change and some off the lightening up they have done of the character I would have loved it, just as llong as they didn't lighten so far as the current dim-wit.

[The Shadow]

No, not ever until the deal is retconed Marvel gets no money for 616 Spidey from me, Not a single dime. The deal ruined what I liked best of about him.

That wasn't the question. :wink:

The question is "Would you still read ASM if OMD happend but BND didn't?"

So you WOULD still read ASM as you ARE still reading it.... you're just not paying for it.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Well that depends. If we were given a story where both Peter and MJ weren't acting like idiots and what came after OMD felt worthwhile, sure.

[Tanjint]

Yup, I'd still definetly be in. I very much enjoyed all the creative teams prior to OMD and after re-reading some of Aguirre-Sacasa's stuff on Sensational, I'm kind of missing him.

Welcome back, by the way.

your avatar is a Bagley pic right?

also, RAS' Spidey is in my top 5 spidey runs ever. LOVE it.

-T

[mikekerr3]

That wasn't the question. :wink:

The question is "Would you still read ASM if OMD happend but BND didn't?"

So you WOULD still read ASM as you ARE still reading it.... you're just not paying for it.

Didn't read this weeks issue and not planning on reading anymore, I gave this awful dreck a shot but gave up finally.

Will read again when OMD is eventually retconed.

[Cody H]

your avatar is a Bagley pic right?

also, RAS' Spidey is in my top 5 spidey runs ever. LOVE it.

-TYup, it's Bagley alright. Can't remember where I found the original image though.

[Shade 20x6]

Nope.

My main problem is with the status quo, not the writers/artists (although some of them have been underwhelming).

[The Shadow]

not the writers/artists (although some of them have been underwhelming).

I agree... but several have exceeded my expectations too.

[ZT4]

Nope.

My main problem is with the status quo, not the writers/artists (although some of them have been underwhelming).

My problem is with both. These guys are all hype, and the best issue Slott's written is stuff that, ironicly, owes everything to reminding us of the past.

[The Shadow]

These guys are all hype, and the best issue Slott's written is stuff that, ironicly, owes everything to reminding us of the past.
So the best issues remind you of the past when Peter wasn't married? Hmmm... I wonder if there's a connection...

Best issues... no marriage............ :wink:

[Jim Thompson]

So the best issues remind you of the past when Peter wasn't married? Hmmm... I wonder if there's a connection...

Best issues... no marriage............ :wink:Well -- part of the reason I enjoyed the last arc was because of the sense of closeness between MJ and Peter. It reminded me of the best days of the marriage!

[TF_loki]

Well -- part of the reason I enjoyed the last arc was because of the sense of closeness between MJ and Peter. It reminded me of the best days of the marriage!

The bits where Peter didn't recognize his wife and she'd run at the drop of hat to avoid dealing?
Yeah, reminded me of the good old days too....:evilsmile:

[Jim Thompson]

The bits where Peter didn't recognize his wife and she'd run at the drop of hat to avoid dealing?
Yeah, reminded me of the good old days too....:evilsmile:Don't go all thick now.

Of course it wasn't what you laid out. I enjoyed the obvious feeling MJ displayed toward Peter.

[TROUBLEZ]

No.

I haven't got into Spider-man because for awhile, all there was, was generic pin-up shots of Spider-man. It didn't tell me anything about the story inside, or who the artist on the title was.

Then I see all this CIVIL WAR atop every title, and that made me just avoid every Marvel comic altogether.

Finally, I love a great story, but first foremost, the art appeals to me, and I haven't seen another McFarlane on the title, that draws him so well.

All these big story arcs, abbreviations etc, just makes me want to avoid Spider-man titles even more.

[Tanjint]

No.

I haven't got into Spider-man because for awhile, all there was, was generic pin-up shots of Spider-man. It didn't tell me anything about the story inside, or who the artist on the title was.

Then I see all this CIVIL WAR atop every title, and that made me just avoid every Marvel comic altogether.

Finally, I love a great story, but first foremost, the art appeals to me, and I haven't seen another McFarlane on the title, that draws him so well.

All these big story arcs, abbreviations etc, just makes me want to avoid Spider-man titles even more.

check out sacasa and Medina's run on sensational. Angel Medina as you probably know was a protege of MacFarlane and has a really similar but still distinct and awesome art style/

-T

[The Shadow]

I enjoyed the obvious feeling MJ displayed toward Peter.

That's assuming she remembers who Spidey is.

[Jim Thompson]

That's assuming she remembers who Spidey is.True -- but if she doesn't then that story loses much of it's power for me, and BND descends again.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[ZT4]

MJ will know who Spider-Man is...but she wont be able to put the name to the face, and she'll think she had an affair with Spidey and betrayed Peter, six months of not being able to cope with that plus Peter's abcenses would make her paranoid as to how much she thinks he knows about this "affair" (with himself)

Which of course is ridiculous since MJ has been shown in the movies to recognise Peter's kisses as his own, even as Spider-Man.

[Matt Linton]

MJ will know who Spider-Man is...but she wont be able to put the name to the face, and she'll think she had an affair with Spidey and betrayed Peter, six months of not being able to cope with that plus Peter's abcenses would make her paranoid as to how much she thinks he knows about this "affair" (with himself)

Which of course is ridiculous since MJ has been shown in the movies to recognise Peter's kisses as his own, even as Spider-Man.

It's only ridiculous if that's what ends up happening.

And the movies are only as much of an influence as they want them to be. Otherwise, it's ridiculous that MJ talks about "Aunt Anna", since she was shown in the movies as living with her parents next door to Peter.

[ZT4]

It's only ridiculous if that's what ends up happening.

And the movies are only as much of an influence as they want them to be. Otherwise, it's ridiculous that MJ talks about "Aunt Anna", since she was shown in the movies as living with her parents next door to Peter.

You never DO get it do you?:rolleyes:

The movies are what the MAINSTREAM, that's the audience who MATTERS, WATCH.

[Matt Linton]

You never DO get it do you?:rolleyes:

The movies are what the MAINSTREAM, that's the audience who MATTERS, WATCH.

These are the same movies where Peter and MJ aren't, and never have been, married, right?

[TF_loki]

That's assuming she remembers who Spidey is.

I think it's pretty safe to say she does. Whether she remembers OMD, well that's different.

[The Shadow]

edited cause Matt said it better than I did.

[The Shadow]

You never DO get it do you?:rolleyes:

The movies are what the MAINSTREAM, that's the audience who MATTERS, WATCH.

These are the same movies where Peter and MJ aren't, and never have been, married, right?

And ZING. Point for Matt. :biggrin:

I would like to further add that the MAINSTREAM audience who MATTERS also watches the cartoons and Peter and MJ have never been married there either.

[Tobias Drake]

And ZING. Point for Matt. :biggrin:

I would like to further add that the MAINSTREAM audience who MATTERS also watches the cartoons and Peter and MJ have never been married there either.

Peter and MJ WERE married in the 90's cartoon, but she was a clone. And died.

[The Shadow]

Peter and MJ WERE married in the 90's cartoon, but she was a clone. And died.

So then they weren't really married :wink:

[CMBMOOL]

Peter and MJ WERE married in the 90's cartoon, but she was a clone. And died.

Damn it, Don't remind me.:mad:

[The Shadow]

Damn it, Don't remind me.:mad:

That they A) were never married? B) She was a clone? or C) she died?

All three seem like good alternatives to a marriage.

[Jim Thompson]

That they A) were never married? B) She was a clone? or C) she died?

All three seem like good alternatives to a marriage.Such misogamy!

[The Shadow]

Such misogamy!

:rolleyes:

:biggrin:

Surely you jest.

[Jim Thompson]

:rolleyes:

:biggrin:

Surely you jest.Sort of. :tongue:

[The Shadow]

Sort of. :tongue:

Nah... there's no misogamy.

Just someone who is enjoying a single Peter in the mainstream universe for the first time in 21 years.

(and the MAINSTREAM in general) :cool:

[Cody H]

That they A) were never married? B) She was a clone? or C) she died?I'm guessing him meant B) She was a clone.

Plus, she was a water clone. And we all know those are the worst kind.

[The Shadow]

I'm guessing him meant B) She was a clone.

Plus, she a water clone. And we all know those are the worst kind.

I never watched the show so I have no idea what you are talking about! LOL :biggrin:

[Cody H]

I never watched the show so I have no idea what you are talking about! LOL :biggrin:Professor Warren (who hadn't previous appeared in the cartoon, and never donned the Jackal costume or identity) "cloned" MJ in a similar fashion to how he created Hydro-Man (i.e., via some odd hydro related process). It's all a little bit hazy as I haven't watched the cartoon for years, but take my word for it: Water Clones are the worst kind!

[BlackToe]

Damn water clones! Worse than bears....

[Cyclopsj316]

i couldnt. if omd happened, that is what killed spidey for me.

if omd didnt happen, and bnd involved married spidey, then sure. i'd read it... seeing as BND never really needed to diss the marriage.

new villains. check.
harry's back. check.
identity forgotten. check.

no need for them to forget the marriage.

poll answer? still a resounding no... still waiting for #600, where i hope to have a reason to be able to go back and pick up the last 54 issues in the dollar bins...

[BlackToe]

So you would willingly read and enjoy/accept everything you're complaining about now...because the marriage is in it?

[SeritoNiN]

I really could careless about the marriage. I didn't buy the damn book for 15 years waiting to see mj and peter in 3 panels sitting on a couch before some trouble started up (see new avengers # 1 for the perfect example of this)

That being said, I just think it was a total bone head move on Marvel and whoever made the decision to let Peter make a deal with the devil. So anotherwards, you rob a bank, that makes you a bad guy, but you get desperate because an aunt is dying, it's ok to not only make decisions that you'll do "whatever it takes" (how many villains did he fight that were doing this? Didn't he take down Vulture who was simply trying to help his sick grandaughter??) Anyways, taking down a guy for robbing a bank, but shaking hands with the devil to bring back your aunt, that just contradicts everything about the good and evil of peter and his struggle to be the best person he could be.

I still gave one more day a shot, and it's just not very enjoyable. Again, no m.j? I'm fine with that. He's sucking off mephisto to bring back an old hag that should've stayed dead since Amazing # 400, I'll look past it. It's dumb, it kills the character, but I'll give something a chance before I bitch about it. One More Day is just a re-telling of stories from the 70's. And whether you like those stories or not, it's recycled, unimaginative crap. It's not bringing Spider-man into new territory or situations, it's rehashing a time when Marvel wasn't screwing up the character to the point of turning readers away in droves.

If they really want to fix Spider-Man, they need to introduce new ideas and situations, not old ones that worked 30 years ago.

But hopefully they don't try fixing him anymore, everytime they do, they just break the character more than the last "lets fix this". Oye.

[The Shadow]

Didn't he take down Vulture who was simply trying to help his sick grandaughter??)
Didn't he let him go though? Or somehow help? Memory is fuzzy on this one.

But, just a nitpick here, it's illegal to rob a bank no matter how noble your goals are... there's no law that says you can't make a deal with a demon.

While I see your point the Vulture still broke the law and that's why Spidey was involved. And it's not like Spidey didn't try more conventional and then more arcane methods before Mephisto showed up at the zero hour to offer the deal to Peter who DID NOT seek out Mephisto!

[Jim Thompson]

But, just a nitpick here, it's illegal to rob a bank no matter how noble your goals are... there's no law that says you can't make a deal with a demon.Not sure I'd want this to be part of my defense! :biggrin:

[The Shadow]

Not sure I'd want this to be part of my defense! :biggrin:

Regardless of the demon part, the illegality of theft was the reason Peter stopped the Vulture.

[AbdulAziz]

Of course, as long as he becomes more interesting than he used to be or even as interesting.

I'm usually against the public face of Spider-Man, I prefered if someone deleted the memory from the people and from all media about the real Spider-Man instead of Mephisto making him the moron living in his aunt's house and his aunt is really pleased to get rid of him (that was a funny moment)

[Venom]

Would I have continued reading Spider-Man if "One More Day" happened but "Brand New Day" didn't? It depends on where the status quo was heading after that really. They could've gone anywhere. However if they did go along with bringing Gwen Stacey back then I might've considered not reading Spider-man and just waiting for the stories to be printed in our UK comic.

[Cyclopsj316]

So you would willingly read and enjoy/accept everything you're complaining about now...because the marriage is in it?

I see my response was deleted? Not sure why, but let me offer a simpler one.

I am complaining about the marriage not being here, and the very reasoning behind it not being here. If the marriage was in BND.... then I think it's obvious that i would enjoy / accept BND... seeing as the very reason for my complaints would be gone.

Not sure what didnt make sense with my original post here...

i couldnt. if omd happened, that is what killed spidey for me.

if omd didnt happen, and bnd involved married spidey, then sure. i'd read it... seeing as BND never really needed to diss the marriage.

new villains. check.
harry's back. check.
identity forgotten. check.

no need for them to forget the marriage.

poll answer? still a resounding no... still waiting for #600, where i hope to have a reason to be able to go back and pick up the last 54 issues in the dollar bins...

... but i hope my SECOND response cleared up your confusion. :rolleyes: