So TITANS #3 will you be buying? no spoilers as of yet,but I'm sure soon enough.

[COMIC GEEK]

Issue #3 is just around the corner. Do you plan on buying it after reading #1 and #2.

while the first 2 issues havent blown me out of the water, I think its just to early to give up on this title.

and I'm not just saying that because I been reading the titans now for over 30 years.

I plan on buying #3.

you?

[Winghead]

yup. I'll pck it up.

[HouseSolo]

Nah, number 2 was my final hoorah. I gave it a chance, but the book just hasn't sucked me in at all. I'll end up giving those 2 issues away, maybe someone will enjoy it and start pulling it, who knows.

[mr. batman]

I'll pick it up to say I did

[K-DoG7p7]

Nope... just nope..

and i hope the rest of you don't either .. its time we send a message to Dan about Judd

[Agent_Torpor]

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[Usernamessd]

Nope especially if its Benetiz on art.

[Thnikkaman]

I'll probably be getting it.

[4thHorseman]

No. I gave it a shot, and it didn't deliver.

[Beast]

I'm gonna hang on til the end of the storyarc. We'll see if it gets any better. Unlikely.

[Hawkman]

I'm gonna hang on til the end of the storyarc. We'll see if it gets any better. Unlikely.
Exactly the way I'm handling it. I didn't think the first issue was bad, but it wasn't particularly good either, and the second issue did absolutely nothing for me. Right now it's on the chopping block unless there's a dramatic turnaround by the arc's end.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm gonna hang on til the end of the storyarc. We'll see if it gets any better. Unlikely.

Save your money. Buy something good. We, the royal we, need to stop spending money on crap while we cross our fingers and pray that it stops sucking. Odds are, if something sucks from the get-go, it's just gonna keep right on suckin'.

[Fatguy]

We, the royal we, need to stop spending money on crap while we cross our fingers and pray that it stops sucking.

I think you're 110% correct.

But I'll be buying #3, in dire hopes that it gets better :tongue:

Though, if Benitez continues on the art, no amount of hope can get me to stay.

[Timberoo]

I bought 1 and 2, I'm not buying 3.

[Agent_Torpor]

it just kills me that utter crap like this sells and superior books that didn't like Catwoman are axed.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

it just kills me that utter crap like this sells and superior books that didn't like Catwoman are axed.

Yep....it saddens me that sales for Booster Gold and Immortal Iron Fist aren't huge. Compared to TITANS , those books are like works of art.

[frostedone]

Yeah, I'll buy it. I love the team of Nightwing, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven, and Beast Boy (or is it Changeling now?). The storyline isn't all that great so far, but with the return of Trigon, it may get much better later.

[Beast]

Save your money. Buy something good. We, the royal we, need to stop spending money on crap while we cross our fingers and pray that it stops sucking. Odds are, if something sucks from the get-go, it's just gonna keep right on suckin'.
I already buy plenty of good stuff. I can afford $3.00 for something with characters I like.

[K-DoG7p7]

it just kills me that utter crap like this sells and superior books that didn't like Catwoman are axed.

how the hell do we know now that titans is selling well?

we wont se the REAL sales figures until we get the salenumbers for issue 4

[RaulTheCat]

Save your money. Buy something good. We, the royal we, need to stop spending money on crap while we cross our fingers and pray that it stops sucking. Odds are, if something sucks from the get-go, it's just gonna keep right on suckin'.

This is so true. If the first issue doesn't grab me, my confidence for the creative team plummets. I'll be generous, and give it two issues(as I have with this book), but after that, forget it. These things are too expensive to buy on a whim.

[Michael P]

Let's see... nope, still not brain dead. Looks like I'll be giving it a pass for another month.

[Shellhead]

I'm gonna hang on til the end of the storyarc. We'll see if it gets any better. Unlikely.

How many issues of Countdown did you buy?

[Sir Tim Drake]

I wouldn't buy Titans #3 if you paid me.

[Jack Zodiac]

I already buy plenty of good stuff. I can afford $3.00 for something with characters I like.

So reading Titans is your version of slumming? Or, like, drinking champagne all night and then going to the dive bar at the end of town with piss on the floors and drinking watered down whiskey?

That three bucks could get you even better stuff than a bad comic. You could go to a talking picture, or get three hundred pieces of penny candy!

[Batman was taken]

So reading Titans is your version of slumming? Or, like, drinking champagne all night and then going to the dive bar at the end of town with piss on the floors and drinking watered down whiskey?

That three bucks could get you even better stuff than a bad comic. You could go to a talking picture, or get three hundred pieces of penny candy!

Unfortunately, due to inflation, we've had to increase the price of penny candy to $1.50.

[Usernamessd]

it just kills me that utter crap like this sells and superior books that didn't like Catwoman are axed.

DC's hype machine don't promote good books like BB or Catwoman or TA-NA for some weird reason.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm in 1944, actually. My Internet works through time! Enjoy your !@#$ty comics, suckers! I'll be reading classic Action and Whiz!

[Ghost Shark]

Bad writing + bad art = no money from me.

[titanfan]

Yep....it saddens me that sales for Booster Gold and Immortal Iron Fist aren't huge. Compared to TITANS , those books are like works of art.

Well Booster Gold isn't like a huge hit, but it's a solid performer on the charts. (Just outside the top 50 the last I saw) It wouldn't shock me if Booster was outselling Titans by year's end. (With this horrific quality of Titans)

Bill Jaaska couldn't make me drop The New Titans back in the 90's. But I am thisclose now to dropping a Titans book for the first time in my life.

[princesa]

Know what, I'm going to give this series every benefit and chance to win me. The first issue I thought was a recent set up. The second not so good. I hated the art and the writing to me was terrible. Just bad. But I want this lineup to succeed so I will hang in as long as I can stomach it. I have heard people rip JW's writing before, if this is an example of it then it was well deserved.

[COMIC GEEK]

just wanna say of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. everyone has different taste.

yet folks here bought the complete run of countdown, yet they complained about it each month and every month practically.

To be fair give judd and crew at least till say september.

then bail.

just my opinion :smile:

[Jack Zodiac]

To be fair give judd and crew at least till say september.

How is that fair? If someone can't write a decent story within their first couple issues, odds are, they aren't going to fair well with the couple after that or the couple after those. We're supposed to give somebody six months, eighteen bucks, just to be "fair?"

Nope.

If if sucks and you don't like it, don't buy it, kids.

[StumboTheGiant]

This book was good. I will be picking up the 3rd issue.

[Shellhead]

just wanna say of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. everyone has different taste.

yet folks here bought the complete run of countdown, yet they complained about it each month and every month practically.

To be fair give judd and crew at least till say september.

then bail.

just my opinion :smile:

I'm picturing a fan thinking about Countdown after buying and reading each issue:

#51: Hmm. Okay, I guess.
#50: Ehh, okay, maybe.
#49: I'm not sure about this series.
#48: Well, even 52 took a few issues to really get good.
#47: Countdown isn't great, but it might get better. Mary looks kinda hot.
#46: Still not very good.
#45: Still can't believe they killed him. Ehh.
#44: Monarch! Okay, now we're getting somewhere.
#43: Okay, Countdown just isn't very good, but DC promised a major plot twist in issue #26, so I better keep buying.
#42-27: Why am I still buying this? Oh yeah, issue #26.
#26: Ah! Countdown to Final Crisis! Hunh.
#25: Still not enjoying this.
#24: Maybe it will get better.
#23: Maybe not.
#22: Well, I'm sure the last few issues will be great, because they will lead directly into Final Crisis. I better keep buying.
#21-6: Suck, suck, more suck.
#5: What!?!? This is trash.
#4: Well, at least issue #1 will have an awesome reveal at the end, right?
#3: This is just bad. Really bad.
#2: Sucks. Can't wait for next issue, though.
#1: That's it? That was Countdown? Damn you Dan Didio!!!! I want a refund! You tricked me into buying all 51 issues!!!

[COMIC GEEK]

How is that fair? If someone can't write a decent story within their first couple issues, odds are, they aren't going to fair well with the couple after that or the couple after those. We're supposed to give somebody six months, eighteen bucks, just to be "fair?"

Nope.

If if sucks and you don't like it, don't buy it, kids.

but the stories are decent alot better than some of the other crap that is out there, and like someone else said..


maybe its not the comic there bashing, but moreso cause its judd.


yeah I guess if you cant spring 75 cents a week to see if a comic gets better than so be it.


I'm willing to give judd and his crew the benefit of the doubt.

and from what I have heard. the stories down the road are gonna make titans fans very very very very happy :biggrin:

and like I said I would say 90% of comic fans bought the entire run of countdown, 75% of those fans though hated it.

[Corrina]

If the stories down the road are going to make me happy, I'll just wait and buy them and save my 75 cents for a candy bar. Which I know I'll like.

[COMIC GEEK]

I'm picturing a fan thinking about Countdown after buying and reading each issue:

#51: Hmm. Okay, I guess.
#50: Ehh, okay, maybe.
#49: I'm not sure about this series.
#48: Well, even 52 took a few issues to really get good.
#47: Countdown isn't great, but it might get better. Mary looks kinda hot.
#46: Still not very good.
#45: Still can't believe they killed him. Ehh.
#44: Monarch! Okay, now we're getting somewhere.
#43: Okay, Countdown just isn't very good, but DC promised a major plot twist in issue #26, so I better keep buying.
#42-27: Why am I still buying this? Oh yeah, issue #26.
#26: Ah! Countdown to Final Crisis! Hunh.
#25: Still not enjoying this.
#24: Maybe it will get better.
#23: Maybe not.
#22: Well, I'm sure the last few issues will be great, because they will lead directly into Final Crisis. I better keep buying.
#21-6: Suck, suck, more suck.
#5: What!?!? This is trash.
#4: Well, at least issue #1 will have an awesome reveal at the end, right?
#3: This is just bad. Really bad.
#2: Sucks. Can't wait for next issue, though.
#1: That's it? That was Countdown? Damn you Dan Didio!!!! I want a refund! You tricked me into buying all 51 issues!!!

this was signature material, but cant fit all of it :frown:

[COMIC GEEK]

If the stories down the road are going to make me happy, I'll just wait and buy them and save my 75 cents for a candy bar. Which I know I'll like.

75 cents for a candy bar, now thats a rip off :wink:

[Corrina]

It's a very big and wonderful candy bar.

Two words that cannot be used to describe this comic.

[Jack Zodiac]

but the stories are decent alot better than some of the other crap that is out there, and like someone else said..


maybe its not the comic there bashing, but moreso cause its judd.


yeah I guess if you cant spring 75 cents a week to see if a comic gets better than so be it.


I'm willing to give judd and his crew the benefit of the doubt.

and from what I have heard. the stories down the road are gonna make titans fans very very very very happy :biggrin:

and like I said I would say 90% of comic fans bought the entire run of countdown, 75% of those fans though hated it.

That's seventy-five cents a week I can put towards something that doesn't suck !@#$. See, I'm one of those smarter 10%.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

and like I said I would say 90% of comic fans bought the entire run of countdown, 75% of those fans though hated it.

:eek:

You are SERIOUSLY underestimating the intellect of comic book fans...

I don't even think even 70% of comic fans read DC, nevermind f**kin' Countdown...

[Jack Zodiac]

He meant superhero comic fans, many of whom are stupid enough to keep buying a book they don't like. Nobody dropped Optic Nerve to read Countdown.

[Sabrinaset]

I stopped buying this title after the first issue .... and considering I buy just about anything, that really says a lot.

[Sir Tim Drake]

but the stories are decent alot better than some of the other crap that is out there, and like someone else said..

I can't think of any comics than which Judd Winick's Titans is better.* Except possibly Marville.

*That sentence may not look grammatically correct, but it is.

maybe its not the comic there bashing, but moreso cause its judd.

So you think people have reasons for disliking Judd besides the fact that they don't like his writing? What might those reasons be?

yeah I guess if you cant spring 75 cents a week to see if a comic gets better than so be it.

By that logic, I ought to be buying every comic on the market. Also, 75 cents a week is not an insignificant amount. I'm not willing to invest 75 cents a week without a good reason. "It might get better sooner or later" is not a good reason.

Also, I actively want Judd Winick's Titans to sell badly, so that he will be fired and replaced with a better writer. If I bought his comic, I would be working against that goal.

I'm willing to give judd and his crew the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not -- I give creators the benefit of the doubt when they've earned it.

and like I said I would say 90% of comic fans bought the entire run of countdown, 75% of those fans though hated it.

If that's true, which I doubt, then it just proves that 77.5% of comic fans are stupid.

[Sabrinaset]

If that's true, which I doubt, then it just proves that 77.5% of comic fans are stupid.

Where'd that extra 2.5% come from?

[GozertheGozarian]

Where'd that extra 2.5% come from?
Inflation.

[atomicturtle]

I'll keep reading Titans. If only to see what plays out with the age-old Nightwing/Starfire bit (read your Previews guide?). Plus, anything with Raven in it is cool in my book. I also really liked #2, because god... when's the last time we've seen Argent? Infinite Crisis?

My chief complaint... Cyborg.

Dude. What the hell. Build yourself some legs!

He gets blown to pieces - not a new thing for him. He starts rebuilding his body... but what was his freakin' thought process? "Eh, I'm half-way done but I don't feel like making legs." What, did he head over to 616, break into one of Charles Xaviers storage lockers and steel his wheels? It's beyond absurd.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Where'd that extra 2.5% come from?

75% of 90%.

EDIT: Crap. It turns out that 75% of 90% is actually 67.5%. That'll teach me to do math in my head.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm picturing a fan thinking about Countdown after buying and reading each issue:

#51: Hmm. Okay, I guess.
#50: Ehh, okay, maybe.
#49: I'm not sure about this series.
#48: Well, even 52 took a few issues to really get good.
#47: Countdown isn't great, but it might get better. Mary looks kinda hot.
#46: Still not very good.
#45: Still can't believe they killed him. Ehh.
#44: Monarch! Okay, now we're getting somewhere.
#43: Okay, Countdown just isn't very good, but DC promised a major plot twist in issue #26, so I better keep buying.
#42-27: Why am I still buying this? Oh yeah, issue #26.
#26: Ah! Countdown to Final Crisis! Hunh.
#25: Still not enjoying this.
#24: Maybe it will get better.
#23: Maybe not.
#22: Well, I'm sure the last few issues will be great, because they will lead directly into Final Crisis. I better keep buying.
#21-6: Suck, suck, more suck.
#5: What!?!? This is trash.
#4: Well, at least issue #1 will have an awesome reveal at the end, right?
#3: This is just bad. Really bad.
#2: Sucks. Can't wait for next issue, though.
#1: That's it? That was Countdown? Damn you Dan Didio!!!! I want a refund! You tricked me into buying all 51 issues!!!

I actually enjoyed Countdown from 50 to about the mid 20's. Then it became a sad spectacle of death , destruction and mayhem done over and over.

[COMIC GEEK]

My chief complaint... Cyborg.

Dude. What the hell. Build yourself some legs!

He gets blown to pieces - not a new thing for him. He starts rebuilding his body... but what was his freakin' thought process? "Eh, I'm half-way done but I don't feel like making legs." What, did he head over to 616, break into one of Charles Xaviers storage lockers and steel his wheels? It's beyond absurd.



this i agree with

[KJ_81]

I re-read Titans/Outsiders: Graduation Day last week.

For the beginning of a new Titans series, last time Judd........ destroyed Cyborg's legs.

This time, he ......destroyed Cyborg's legs.

Huh.

[RaulTheCat]

but the stories are decent alot better than some of the other crap that is out there, and like someone else said..


maybe its not the comic there bashing, but moreso cause its judd.


yeah I guess if you cant spring 75 cents a week to see if a comic gets better than so be it.


I'm willing to give judd and his crew the benefit of the doubt.

and from what I have heard. the stories down the road are gonna make titans fans very very very very happy :biggrin:

and like I said I would say 90% of comic fans bought the entire run of countdown, 75% of those fans though hated it.

Bull. You get one chance to make a first impression. I stayed around for two. Bad writing. Horrible 1990s Image style art. The only other thing I have ever read that Winick had a hand in was 'Countdown to Infinite Crisis', and that was a book by committee.
So, no, I'm not a Winick basher. I just don't waste my money on crap.

[enediol]

dropped the book after issue 1 - too many other books I enjoy more.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I re-read Titans/Outsiders: Graduation Day last week.

For the beginning of a new Titans series, last time Judd........ destroyed Cyborg's legs.

This time, he ......destroyed Cyborg's legs.

Huh.

Least he's consistant on the crappyness.

[COMIC GEEK]

Well the book comes out tomorrow, so for those who do plan on buying feel free to spoil it, I cant get to the comic shop till thursday.

[Rev. Calibos]

I'll probably stick through the first arc. I dug the first issue, the second issue was 'meh'.


Since when was Raven a goth/emo chick in high school? Did I miss some sort of Zero Hour backlash?

Second issue the art was jarringly bad, if #3 is that poor I'll have to re-consider sticking it out.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'll probably stick through the first arc. I dug the first issue, the second issue was 'meh'.


Since when was Raven a goth/emo chick in high school? Did I miss some sort of Zero Hour backlash?

Second issue the art was jarringly bad, if #3 is that poor I'll have to re-consider sticking it out.

She was dead or in the Trigon World when they revamped Teen Titans under Johns. So in the "Brother Blood" arc Johns had her spirit go into a teenager.


Theres a rumor Winick plans to ruin this and make her an adult again so he can force her into sexual situations and storylines. Since...well he can't write a teenage Raven doing wild sex in his book without it looking as bad as it sounds.

[carabas]

Theres a rumor Winick plans to ruin this and make her an adult again so he can force her into sexual situations and storylines. Since...well he can't write a teenage Raven doing wild sex in his book without it looking as bad as it sounds.On the other hand, I don't think Raven has any business being a teenager in the first place (and if notfor the cartoon, she would probably have been reborn as an adult, or not at all). And it's not like Winick can't just write teenage Raven into sexual situations. Age didn't stop Kon-El and Cassie, or didn't prevent Ravager to get naked in bed with Robin and handcuffs.

[COMIC GEEK]

She was dead or in the Trigon World when they revamped Teen Titans under Johns. So in the "Brother Blood" arc Johns had her spirit go into a teenager.


Theres a rumor Winick plans to ruin this and make her an adult again so he can force her into sexual situations and storylines. Since...well he can't write a teenage Raven doing wild sex in his book without it looking as bad as it sounds.

ruin it?

if you asked fans across various messageboards aside from this, the majority from what im reading they want raven back as an adult.

[reflecto]

Theres a rumor Winick plans to ruin this and make her an adult again."Ruin this"?? Seriously??
Raven being made into a teen just so she could more closely resemble her Teen Titans Go! counterpart (a ghastly phenomenon also inflicted on Bumblebee!) is one of the biggest missteps in recent memory.
If Winick can undo that travesty, more power to him!

And yes, I will be getting Titans #3. Judd Winick did amazing work on Outsiders and I'm confident that he can eventually approach that level of writing on this book.

[Bat-Reader]

I finally read the first issue and really enjoyed it. I'm totally on board for the future issues right now. First few pages were the best Nightwing stuff i read for a long while.

[Bat-Reader]

I finally read the first issue and really enjoyed it. I'm totally on board for the future issues right now. First few pages were the best Nightwing stuff i read for a long while.

[COMIC GEEK]

well from what I read from spoilers from other boards seems like trigon and sons play with the titans emotions.

so far people have had a + response on this issue.

[Beast]

well from what I read from spoilers from other boards seems like trigon and sons play with the titans emotions.

so far people have had a + response on this issue.
The other board is Judd Winick's forums, right? Cause I dunno where you're seeing positive responses.

[COMIC GEEK]

The other board is Judd Winick's forums, right? Cause I dunno where you're seeing positive responses.


nope never been to judd's site.

spread your wings a bit more my friend

[Sabrinaset]

After the fiasco that was issue one, I didn't buy the next one ... although since I had to wait five minutes for the lady behind the counter to ring up my sale because she was talking to her insurance adjuster or something, I read Titans 3 while I was waiting. I'm glad I didn't buy it.

Especially since there's one page where someone, after the emotion attacks, says something to the effect of "So, we were all acting like we had different personalities?" And I had to laugh, because I mean, it was a Winnick comic ...!

I have to ask, are the Titans now aware they're comic characters currently being written by a hack after that comment? :tongue:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

After the fiasco that was issue one, I didn't buy the next one ... although since I had to wait five minutes for the lady behind the counter to ring up my sale because she was talking to her insurance adjuster or something, I read Titans 3 while I was waiting. I'm glad I didn't buy it.

Especially since there's one page where someone, after the emotion attacks, says something to the effect of "So, we were all acting like we had different personalities?" And I had to laugh, because I mean, it was a Winnick comic ...!

I have to ask, are the Titans now aware they're comic characters currently being written by a hack after that comment? :tongue:

Lets put it this way...you claim the WWE Diva's can make lesbian go straight if I remember right ? Well a Judd Winick book makes me wanna not think of sex....ever and join the Priesthood.

[elise]

Lets put it this way...you claim the WWE Diva's can make lesbian go straight if I remember right ? Well a Judd Winick book makes me wanna not think of sex....ever and join the Priesthood.

ROTFL! :tongue:

[titanfan]

The other board is Judd Winick's forums, right? Cause I dunno where you're seeing positive responses.

If you count "It wasn't as bad as the first two issues" or "It was better than I expecting", as positive responses, then I've seen positive responses to Titans #3 as well....

[jv2k]

I read it and was very surprised. I mean it wasn't anything special but compared to the turd that came out last week it wasn't too bad. The art is much improved(like either the artist noticed or an editor pointed it out for the second issue) with only a few minor flaws this time. The only problem I had with it was anorexic Raven. The story is still pretty meh and the dialog was out of character but the out of character stuff was explained.

The whole "we're friends who just happen to be superheroes" dialog still seems pretty forced but it is tolerable for the first time in the book.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Of course I didn't buy this issue. I looked at a few pages and was horrified by the execrable artwork and the out-of-character behavior of all the Titans, although I felt a little better after I realized they were being mind-controlled.

I notice Donna complains about having lost her husband and her children. Did she have another child besides Robert, or is Winick just confused?

Despite being an ardent Dick-Kory shipper, I was not very pleased with the sex scene, because as is customary with Winick, it was handled in a highly exploitative and immature manner.

I still think Judd Winick's firing cannot come soon enough.

[COMIC GEEK]

Of course I didn't buy this issue. I looked at a few pages and was horrified by the execrable artwork and the out-of-character behavior of all the Titans, although I felt a little better after I realized they were being mind-controlled.

I notice Donna complains about having lost her husband and her children. Did she have another child besides Robert, or is Winick just confused?

Despite being an ardent Dick-Kory shipper, I was not very pleased with the sex scene, because as is customary with Winick, it was handled in a highly exploitative and immature manner.

I still think Judd Winick's firing cannot come soon enough.

donna had a step daughter as well, who she considered her own. so winnick was right.


and out of character yep your right, must have been trigons children.

looking foward to #4

[Binker]

By Nathaniel Ruff (also known as Binker, Binker2 and Nate on many forums)

TITANS #3

Written by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Joe Benitez and Victor Llamas
Edited by Eddie Berganza

PLOT:
Random hook-ups, internal fighting, envy…what's going on with Nightwing, Starfire, Flash, Beast Boy, Raven, Donna and Red Arrow? Can this team get their act together before their mysterious foes reveal themselves?

REVIEW:
I made a mistake last time where I gave issue #2 a "Yay", it was suppose to be "Okay". My mistake. It was still good, as we did have some developments mainly from Raven, but was a filler. I guess it’s either the writer or our new artists that is making people not like or even care about this book, even though I like it. There are times you can never understand some people. With issue #2, the first half of this arc was done. Now we are in issue #3, the beginning of the second half. Let's take a look see!

Again, in regards to Benitez' artwork, it was fine in these pages. People who don't like him, or his artwork at first glance, should really try him out. But back on the issue at hand, it was done well. The plot of the issue, before I got to the ending, started to seem forced on the deadly sins placed on each group of the Titans: Lust for Nightwing & Starfire, Envy for Donna and Flash, and Rage for Raven, Red Arrow, and Beast Boy. And the reason why I felt it was forced (again, before the ending) was because I didn't know that it was a trap set by Trigon's other children. I thought it was more like how they actually felt toward one another, and how it resulted was not done well. That's what I thought. Once the ending came in, it changed my mind completely, so that was good. Otherwise, this issue would've another "okay", or even”blah".

Overall, we have one more issue before this four-parter ends, so how this will end, judging from the solicits to issue #4, is up in the air. But on issue #3; I felt it was fine. I seem to have this thing in reading comics, like movies or TV shows, where I kind of get a critical rating toward it while it is running and not after it ends. This is what happened here, as read by the above paragraph. The whole three sins thing seemed forced, until I realized that it was a trap by Trigon's children. Had it been not been by him, and then the rating would've been lower than what I will give it. I guess the other reason was that, going by issue #5, maybe I felt (pre-ending) that the whole scene where Starfire and Nightwing made love was a sorta setup for that issue. Maybe...

RATING: Yay

Next Issue: A deadliest foe returns, and a Titan is sacrificed!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

By Nathaniel Ruff (also known as Binker, Binker2 and Nate on many forums)

TITANS #3

Written by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Joe Benitez and Victor Llamas
Edited by Eddie Berganza


The best part of this review...we finally learn which monkey is editing this travesty of sh-t. Eddie Berganza....your an idiot. I'd say hand your papers to someone but its obvious your keeping your job as editor on this thing. We all know who to mock and laugh at now. What a moron...I wondered who allowed this crap to be published each month.


REVIEW:
I made a mistake last time where I gave issue #2 a "Yay", it was suppose to be "Okay". My mistake. It was still good, as we did have some developments mainly from Raven, but was a filler. I guess it’s either the writer or our new artists that is making people not like or even care about this book, even though I like it.

No I think its because the series SUCKS. I mean my god man...the pages from issue 2 was so damn bad I question who would let it see print. Its basically : CRAPPY/LAZY WRITER , CRAPPY ART , and DUMB EDITOR who is publishing such a piss poor fan hated book.


There are times you can never understand some people. With issue #2, the first half of this arc was done. Now we are in issue #3, the beginning of the second half. Let's take a look see!

Is this review about how you feel towards people not liking a crappy book ? Or are you gonna do a comic review ? Issue #3 is now the 2nd half of a story arc that started last fall and had 2 huge #1's now ? Wow....this is really milkin those poor suc-readers dry.


Again, in regards to Benitez' artwork, it was fine in these pages. People who don't like him, or his artwork at first glance, should really try him out.

They tried him...and he sucked. Issue 2 wounded them and hell the art sucked. How would they try him out some more ? To obviously let em down ?


Overall, we have one more issue before this four-parter ends, so how this will end, judging from the solicits to issue #4, is up in the air. But on issue #3; I felt it was fine. I seem to have this thing in reading comics, like movies or TV shows, where I kind of get a critical rating toward it while it is running and not after it ends. This is what happened here, as read by the above paragraph. The whole three sins thing seemed forced, until I realized that it was a trap by Trigon's children. Had it been not been by him, and then the rating would've been lower than what I will give it. I guess the other reason was that, going by issue #5, maybe I felt (pre-ending) that the whole scene where Starfire and Nightwing made love was a sorta setup for that issue. Maybe...

RATING: Yay

Wooooo another Judd Winick sex scene ! Thats always gonna get a YAY. :rolleyes:

Next Issue: A deadliest foe returns, and a Titan is sacrificed!

Raven dies so she can be reborn for some sex !

[carabas]

Raven dies so she can be reborn for some sex !Why does she need to be reborn to have sex?

[eggie]

Wasn't there a scene in the Outsiders (i believe around issue 28 or so) that showed Dick and Kory in bed together? So, nothing new happening with them here. I haven't read the issue but will get it today...i like Joe Benitez (met him at a con, really nice good and a good artist IMO) but am hopeful that Ian comes back because i absolutely LOVE his work!!!

[Thnikkaman]

The best part of this review...we finally learn which monkey is editing this travesty of sh-t. Eddie Berganza....your an idiot. I'd say hand your papers to someone but its obvious your keeping your job as editor on this thing. We all know who to mock and laugh at now. What a moron...I wondered who allowed this crap to be published each month.



I love how you're so quick to call other people idiots. Maybe you should lay off the ad hominems until you can tell the difference between a possessive and a contraction.

As for me, I thought that the writing was better than average, the art improved a bit to the level of "mediocre", and Judd finally sent me that personal apology for raping my puppy. I'll give it a 6.5.

[Fatguy]

I actually didn't think this issue was too shabby. I can't believe it but, the art improved by 1,000,000,000x over the last issue. It went from god awful to me actually liking it. When she wasn't in silly porno poses, I liked his depiction of Starfire a lot.

All in all, not too shabby. I'm a little hopeful now that there will be a series worth reading here.

[mgs]

I actually enjoyed it. I got it and though the art is waay too sexilicious in a cheesy 90's style, At least the story follows with some fairly lighthearted stuff. And yes, I do also very much enjoy Catwoman as well. :(

[princesa]

I biggest disappointment with this book thus far is it is done on such a shallow level.

[Beast]

Wasn't there a scene in the Outsiders (i believe around issue 28 or so) that showed Dick and Kory in bed together? So, nothing new happening with them here. I haven't read the issue but will get it today...i like Joe Benitez (met him at a con, really nice good and a good artist IMO) but am hopeful that Ian comes back because i absolutely LOVE his work!!!
Yeah, but I assume that was at least handled tastefully. This was however, not.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I love how you're so quick to call other people idiots. Maybe you should lay off the ad hominems until you can tell the difference between a possessive and a contraction.


Maybe I'd care if I WAS AN EDITOR ! But its amazing when a sucky editor who is on a horrible series gets called out and you get the fans who come on the boards and attack the poster for pointing out what many are saying

Read the last damn thread. Many asked who was editing the book ? Wheres the editor for this crap ? Instead its "HOW DARE YOU CALL AN EDITOR AN IDIOT !"

As far as TITANS go ...I'll keep calling Eddie Berganza an idiot for this. And pretty much laugh at the outrage you have for me mocking a bad editor.

[Mon-el]

Okay, So I read the previous two threads to the Title. I was at the comic shop today and I had saw Issue #3. My curiosity got the better of me, and I was wondering if it was as the reviews I had seen or if it wasn't.

I really only have one word to say...wow(and that's not in a good way).

Now I grew up reading mature titles in my teens. Seeing Sex scenes doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Well after I had semi read through it quickly, while waiting for my Fiance . I actually felt pretty dirty what I just read(granted, I just skimmed it really fast).

I graciously put down the issue. Titans isn't a comic for me.

[jv2k]

Why does she need to be reborn to have sex?

She's underage now.

[Fatguy]

Yeah, but I assume that was at least handled tastefully. This was however, not.

Yeah, I hated the "Lust" scene.

"I think of you when I'm NOT alone"

Really? Really??

But, I guess you can write it off to them being "possessed" by these emotions. :rolleyes: Still, all in all, I thought it was a decent issue.

[carabas]

She's underage now.Didn't stop Cassie and Kon-El.

[Beast]

Didn't stop Cassie and Kon-El.
But they were both underage. Which means it's okay.

If she starts boinking Gar again, then it's going to cause something of a problem.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Yeah, but I assume that was at least handled tastefully. This was however, not.

That scene in Outsiders #28 wasn't handled tastefully either, as I recall. Judd Winick needs some education in how to write about sex in a mature, adult way. I wonder if he's ever read Omaha the Cat Dancer.

[carabas]

Why does he need to write about sex in a mature and adult way? It's Titans!

Anyway, in Outsiders they used condoms, which makes it actually more mature and adult than most mature and adult sex scenes.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That scene in Outsiders #28 wasn't handled tastefully either, as I recall. Judd Winick needs some education in how to write about sex in a mature, adult way. I wonder if he's ever read Omaha the Cat Dancer.

He should go watch Zohan "You have made my pee pee touch my zipper . It is you who is the one for me ."

Hell if your gonna not write it in a mature way....go all out comedy.

[mgs]

everyone needs to take a second look at the 'lust' scene, nothing was going on. she was obviously laying on her back on top of him. that's no sex position I know of! ;)

[mgs]

sry,. double post!! delete.

[GozertheGozarian]

everyone needs to take a second look at the 'lust' scene, nothing was going on. she was obviously laying on her back on top of him. that's no sex position I know of! ;)
Ignore this if that was a joke post, but that's not unpopular in porn.

[Rev. Calibos]

Found #3 to be a lot more tolerable. The artwork is a HUGE distraction. It reminds me of some of the Image books back in the 90's. The thing is, I can tell he's a lot better than this which is almost worse than just dealing with a shabby penciller.

I remember reading somewhere on this thread about someone asking why in the world is Cyborg in a wheelchair? Darn good question. He's such a techno-whiz he can't whip up some legs? When I see him I can't help but think of Prof. X's big ol' wheelchair from the 90's.

Other than that, can't complain. The last page left me wanting to see what happens next month so it looks like Titans gets saved from the chopping block yet again.

[Sir Tim Drake]

Why does he need to write about sex in a mature and adult way? It's Titans!

That's exactly the reason why. Marv and George wrote about Dick and Kory's relationship in a mature, non-exploitative way. Judd's treatment of their relationship is an insult to Marv and George's legacy.

[COMIC GEEK]

That's exactly the reason why. Marv and George wrote about Dick and Kory's relationship in a mature, non-exploitative way. Judd's treatment of their relationship is an insult to Marv and George's legacy.

yet marv turns raven into a lesbian.. or marv having a 16 year old having sex with an way older man


:rolleyes:

give it a rest, maybe we can keep this thread as a positive and just make a thread to bash judd.

[Beast]

That scene in Outsiders #28 wasn't handled tastefully either, as I recall. Judd Winick needs some education in how to write about sex in a mature, adult way. I wonder if he's ever read Omaha the Cat Dancer.
I wasn't aware it was Judd then either. Carry on.

[RaulTheCat]

yet marv turns raven into a lesbian.. or marv having a 16 year old having sex with an way older man


:rolleyes:

give it a rest, maybe we can keep this thread as a positive and just make a thread to bash judd.

I always thought that Marv got a little carried away with the so called 'adult themes' that was starting to creep into comics at the time (thanks to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing). Thus, the whole 'Terra sleeping with Deathstroke'. But I could be wrong.

That said, judging from the reactions in this thread, I'm glad I didn't pick this book up. I might consider it, if they were to get an artist that didn't look like a bad Image artist from the 1990s. That could possibly offset the horrible writing.

Possibly.

[COMIC GEEK]

I always thought that Marv got a little carried away with the so called 'adult themes' that was starting to creep into comics at the time (thanks to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing). Thus, the whole 'Terra sleeping with Deathstroke'. But I could be wrong.

That said, judging from the reactions in this thread, I'm glad I didn't pick this book up. I might consider it, if they were to get an artist that didn't look like a bad Image artist from the 1990s. That could possibly offset the horrible writing.

Possibly.

dont go by what others think, cause this is not the only message board. there have been +++ reactions to this issue.

Im soooooooooooooooooo looking foward to #5 and 6 :)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

dont go by what others think, cause this is not the only message board. there have been +++ reactions to this issue.

Im soooooooooooooooooo looking foward to #5 and 6 :)

Yeah they should check out Newsarama as well. See what that message board thinks of it. Thus far many on CBR see it a certain way. So check out Newsarama and see what they think as well.

[mgs]

Ignore this if that was a joke post, but that's not unpopular in porn.

edit: well, I meant she's on her back on top of his back according to their legs and feet! O.O

[mgs]

if they were to get an artist that didn't look like a bad Image artist from the 1990s. That could possibly offset the horrible writing.
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my opinion comes from not really knowing the TT history or even caring about it's past or whatnot, but for the art, though Benitez does tend to draw on the sexy side, I think the problem could've all been fixed if they had just let Sandra Hope do her job and not involved all those other inkers who probably, much like Weems, only made the sexyness stand out even more.

[the4thpip]

My main problems with this issue (which I read but did not buy):

1. The "witty banter" is not witty. Nor is it funny. I found it completely cringe worthy. Rachel? Fricken Rachel???

2. The envy scene was horribly far-fetched. While the other "deadly sin" possessions where at least somewhat believable, "I'm jealous of you because your husband and son died and you're free to have fun" is just about the dumbest thing Judd has ever written, evil mind control or no evil mind control. It's not even a good example of jealousy, it's an example of being a f*cknuckle.

The art is actually somewhat improved. It went from "this guy must be drawing the panels while sitting on the toilet, and the light in his loo is broken" to "this is not my cup of tea."

Other than that, I really don't care enough about the plot to spend money on this in spite of the horrid dialog and off artwork. Maybe if he made Cyborg gay.












I kid.









Maybe a little.



http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/80/arbeastboyandcyborg5nt.jpg

[Kage Kisaragi]

okay, did anyone catch Garrs comment about Back Door Man, ... Either Garr is old and has fallen out of the know or he knows something about Trigon we don't and considering what I've heard about Papa T manipulating his powers at some point, maybe he does. Anyway Back Door Man, doesn't signify what I think he was trying to insinuate. O_o Back Door Man to my knowledge is a guy who either likes to take in the ... ahem, back door, or likes to do someone else's (man or womans) back door as it were. I just thought I'd share that and ruin someone else's day.

Nightwing and Starfire, round 360... looks like Dick is going for the on top between the thighs position both classic and effective, the boy has really mastered this technique. Ahh good old Dick living up to this name.

Garr, Reddy and Ray Ray.. Well, can't say this is unlike Raven.. because I barely know her, I only have visions of how I thought she actted,, but this is... uh unique. By the way the irony of the demon girl being man handled by green tentacles was not lost on me.... I thought this was suppose to be like Friends. I don't remember Ross ever hemming up Rachel (Ironic they both have the same name, and I think in one episode Ross does refer to her as Ice Queen.) ... Now only if Roy was named Chanler.\

Of course at the end everything is made clear.

Let's guess which one gets which power.

I'm betting the one on the left with the long hair is Desire, the one on the middle is Rage, and the one of the right is Envy.

[Jack Zodiac]

okay, did anyone catch Garrs comment about Back Door Man, ... Either Garr is old and has fallen out of the know or he knows something about Trigon we don't and considering what I've heard about Papa T manipulating his powers at some point, maybe he does. Anyway Back Door Man, doesn't signify what I think he was trying to insinuate. O_o Back Door Man to my knowledge is a guy who either likes to take in the ... ahem, back door, or likes to do someone else's (man or womans) back door as it were. I just thought I'd share that and ruin someone else's day.

No.

A "back door man" is a man who sleeps with married women and uses their literal back door to sneak in an out of their house so their husband doesn't catch them.

[mgs]

No.

A &quot;back door man&quot; is a man who sleeps with married women and uses their literal back door to sneak in an out of their house so their husband doesn't catch them.

silly kids and their strange interpretations! ;)

[Kage Kisaragi]

No.

A "back door man" is a man who sleeps with married women and uses their literal back door to sneak in an out of their house so their husband doesn't catch them.

That was a old interpretation as far I could remember, then again my generation apparently changes the meanings of things a lot.

[Kage Kisaragi]

silly kids and their strange interpretations! ;)

Is it really that strange.. I mean.. really.. in this day and age, Garr, being green and all.. I mean... stranger things have happened. :evilsmile:

[COMIC GEEK]

Is it really that strange.. I mean.. really.. in this day and age, Garr, being green and all.. I mean... stranger things have happened. :evilsmile:

you do know it's gar and not garr right?

[the4thpip]

you do know it's gar and not garr right?

I miss Gnaark. They should bring him back.

[Beast]

I miss Gnaark. They should bring him back.
I miss well written Titans. They should bring them back.

[titanfan]

Finally read Titans #3. To me, the art was just as bad as #2, I didn't see it as an improvement at all.

The writing was better. It turns out that Judd can intentionally write the Titans out of character as well as he unintentionally writes them out of character!

[COMIC GEEK]

I miss Gnaark. They should bring him back.


miss what actually? he was hardly ever even used in the 70's

[COMIC GEEK]

oh and the story for #5 was scrapped, reason why there is no issue in july and were getting 2 issues in august.

[Fatguy]

I miss well written Titans. They should bring them back.

My name is Fatguy on the internet, and I support this message.

[COMIC GEEK]

I miss well written Titans. They should bring them back.

so why arent you writing comics then? or are you?>

[Beast]

oh and the story for #5 was scrapped, reason why there is no issue in july and were getting 2 issues in august.
Did they give a reason for it being scrapped? Or was it simply due to the lame and horribly written sudden Nightwing and Starfire boffing scene in the last issue? That even for fans of the two hooking up, it was painfully bad. Cause if so... yay for someone trying to reign in Winick. Now when do we get a new writer?
so why arent you writing comics then? or are you?>
Just because I don't like Winick's Titans doesn't mean I should to be able to write comics.

I liked Winick's Exiles just fine. Seems to be the only thing he's done that hasn't been bad.

[Shellhead]

so why arent you writing comics then? or are you?>

Don't be an ass. At $3.00 an issue, fans are definitely entitled to express disappointment in crappy comic books like the current Titans run. To say that only other writers are allowed to criticize writers is wrong on every level. This is a comic book discussion forum, of course we are allowed to discuss the comics, and yes, express even negative opinions. This isn't cheerleading camp.

[Jack Zodiac]

To further drive the point home, and openly mock the idiocy of the "well if you don't like it, why don't you do it better" argument; ultimately, the greatest critic of a product is the consumer. "Professional critics" can dissect a product as thoroughly as they want and come to all manner of opinions, but the only critic that matters is the one spending their money on it.

Furthermore, I believe I could write circles around Judd Winick. Myself and several other people here at CBR, in fact. Patrick Gerard's a creative genius. Tom Stillwell's an enthusiastic personal publisher. Plenty of us have shared work with each other in the past, and quite honestly, nearly everyone I've encountered could out-write Winick's Titans with their worst ideas.

[titanfan]

To further drive the point home, and openly mock the idiocy of the "well if you don't like it, why don't you do it better" argument; ultimately, the greatest critic of a product is the consumer. "Professional critics" can dissect a product as thoroughly as they want and come to all manner of opinions, but the only critic that matters is the one spending their money on it.

Ditto. Plus at this point most comic book fans have been reading comic books for at least a decade, if not longer. I know I've read thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of comic books in my lifetime. I think we're "expert" enough to identify what a bad comic book is. I would guess that most comic book readers have at least a subconscious knowledge of how to dissect a comic book story and art. We're all "experts" to some degree--and while personal taste may differ--when a lot of people are complaining about story elements, stilted dialogue, poor plotting, etc. it just might mean something....

[COMIC GEEK]

Did they give a reason for it being scrapped? Or was it simply due to the lame and horribly written sudden Nightwing and Starfire boffing scene in the last issue? That even for fans of the two hooking up, it was painfully bad. Cause if so... yay for someone trying to reign in Winick. Now when do we get a new writer?



didnt get a reason, was just told it was scrapped

[titanfan]

Did they give a reason for it being scrapped? Or was it simply due to the lame and horribly written sudden Nightwing and Starfire boffing scene in the last issue? That even for fans of the two hooking up, it was painfully bad. Cause if so... yay for someone trying to reign in Winick. Now when do we get a new writer?

Count me in the camp that's glad to see someone trying to fix something in Titans. Looks like the "date night" storyline was scrapped and we get another issue of the current storyline. Already we get a new artist and I think there's a chance that Judd is off the title after he finishes his story arc.

[COMIC GEEK]

Count me in the camp that's glad to see someone trying to fix something in Titans. Looks like the "date night" storyline was scrapped and we get another issue of the current storyline. Already we get a new artist and I think there's a chance that Judd is off the title after he finishes his story arc.

I might be wrong, but I dont think judds off the title

[the4thpip]

oh and the story for #5 was scrapped, reason why there is no issue in july and were getting 2 issues in august.

The "quality control" guy is back from the Bermudas?

[the4thpip]

so why arent you writing comics then? or are you?>

That's like saying "if you can't lay eggs, you can't possibly criticize the taste of an omelet."

[Beast]

That's like saying "if you can't lay eggs, you can't possibly criticize the taste of an omelet."
*Claps* Bravo.

[Graymask]

Um. No. The art and writing on this book have really turned me off.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Count me in the camp that's glad to see someone trying to fix something in Titans. Looks like the "date night" storyline was scrapped and we get another issue of the current storyline. Already we get a new artist and I think there's a chance that Judd is off the title after he finishes his story arc.

I think DC if they bench Judd will wanna revamp the series ASAP . To get it right. I think if Judd's gone .....also will be gone the "Friends with Superpowers" idea.

[titanfan]

I might be wrong, but I dont think judds off the title

It hasn't been announced yet. I'm just speculating/wishful thinking. If he is off the title, my reasoning is that they are going to at least let him finish his story/loose ends before "changing direction". We'll probably know in the next few months....

[the4thpip]

I might be wrong, but I dont think judds off the title

That is not an either/or statement.

[COMIC GEEK]

That is not an either/or statement.


then call it an opinion

[The Xenos]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16893
As for other books in the DCU, the new "Titans" ongoing written by Judd Winick didn't get much love from the crowd. Didio asked who was reading it and five people raised their hand.

[COMIC GEEK]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16893


I think its agreeable that these first 3 issue aren't the best 1st 3 issues of a comic in a long time.

[carabas]

I still say that the book's just fine once you put an at least half-decent artist on it.

[jv2k]

I think DC if they bench Judd will wanna revamp the series ASAP . To get it right. I think if Judd's gone .....also will be gone the "Friends with Superpowers" idea.

You know it isn't a bad idea. The TT have known each other for ages and essentially are friends with super powers. The problem is them making jokes with one another and talking as if they are sitting on the living room couch when they should be serious.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16893

Ha ha ha ha ....thats some serious egg on the faces at DC . TITANS gets no love since its so horrible bad. :tongue:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ohh in a sales backlash , Titans #2 dropped to 57,000 sales. Thats a huge drop of 18,000 after a 1st issue.

Where ohhh where will TITANS fall ?

[Jack Zodiac]

Steady 38k by issue... eight.

[Paul Dee]

That's like saying "if you can't lay eggs, you can't possibly criticize the taste of an omelet."


Yeah, plus if the critic was singing his praises about the comic you'd never hear "Well, I think your opinions on this are actually invalid as you don't write comics"

[LtMarvel]

Ohh in a sales backlash , Titans #2 dropped to 57,000 sales. Thats a huge drop of 18,000 after a 1st issue.

Where ohhh where will TITANS fall ?
That's not an atypical sales drop for a #2 issue.

[COMIC GEEK]

is 57,000 worldwide? if so is that considered alot?

[Nick Soapdish]

You know it isn't a bad idea. The TT have known each other for ages and essentially are friends with super powers. The problem is them making joking with one another and talking as if they are sitting on the living room couch when they should be serious.

The problem is making them Friends with superpowers.

Yes, they've known each other forever, but they aren't nearly as immature as the characters on Friends.

[Samy]

is 57,000 worldwide? if so is that considered alot?

I believe it is only the North American sales, and yes, it's considered a lot. Only a few DC titles outsell it at this point. However by #6 it should be around the 30-35k mark, which is about average for a DC title.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm still calling it in the upper 30k range just because of the cast. But considering the title, it should be pulling in much better numbers when it finds its level.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm still calling it in the upper 30k range just because of the cast. But considering the title, it should be pulling in much better numbers when it finds its level.

With its cast and all...it shouldn't be at 57,000 this fast in a spiral down. This looks as wasted as the Green Arrow revamp they did.

[Samy]

It's not a particularly fast spiral down. About average.

[GozertheGozarian]

24% in one month. The only thing making that number typical is being a #2.

[COMIC GEEK]

reading that the teen titans title hit about 50,000 so if the titans came in at like 57,000 still alot better than the other teen titan book

[GozertheGozarian]

I suspect the numbers for 3 will drop under 50k.

[carabas]

24% in one month. The only thing making that number typical is being a #2.

09/2007: Infinity Inc. #1 — 33,400
10/2007: Infinity Inc. #2 — 24,158 (-27.7%)


01/08 Hulk #1 - 139,931
02/08 Hulk #2 - 101,598 (-27.4%)


07/07 Thor #1 - 202,798
08/07 Thor #2 - 122,951 ( -39.4%)


04/07 Initiative #1 - 127,798
05/07 Initiative #2 - 103,189 (-19.3%)


02/2007: The Brave and the Bold #1 — 92,091 [98,266]
03/2007: The Brave and the Bold #2 — 64,357 (-30.1%) [67,143]


11/06 Immortal Iron Fist #1 - 60,079
12/06 Immortal Iron Fist #2 - 40,617 (-32.4%)


08/2007: Black Adam: The Dark Age #1 of 6 — 51,788
09/2007: Black Adam: The Dark Age #2 of 6 — 36,758 (-29.0%)


12/2006: Batman Confidential #1 — 61,119
01/2007: Batman Confidential #2 — 47,451 (-22.4%)


12/2006: Welcome to Tranquility #1 — 24,352
01/2007: Welcome to Tranquility #2 — 15,087 (-38.1%)


08/2006: Justice League #1 — 212,581
09/2006: Justice League #2 — 143,412 (- 32.5%) [158,480]


06/2006: Green Lantern Corps #1 — 76,686
07/2006: Green Lantern Corps #2 — 56,886 (-25.8%)

[Paul Newell]

With its cast and all...it shouldn't be at 57,000 this fast in a spiral down. This looks as wasted as the Green Arrow revamp they did.
It's normal for just about every title out there. Y'see a lot of people will try out the frst issue and then not pick up the series. Surprisingly, there's quite a large sub-section of fandom that only collect first issues. And not just for speculation purposes.

[GozertheGozarian]

09/2007: Infinity Inc. #1 — 33,400
10/2007: Infinity Inc. #2 — 24,158 (-27.7%)


01/08 Hulk #1 - 139,931
02/08 Hulk #2 - 101,598 (-27.4%)


07/07 Thor #1 - 202,798
08/07 Thor #2 - 122,951 ( -39.4%)


04/07 Initiative #1 - 127,798
05/07 Initiative #2 - 103,189 (-19.3%)


02/2007: The Brave and the Bold #1 — 92,091 [98,266]
03/2007: The Brave and the Bold #2 — 64,357 (-30.1%) [67,143]


11/06 Immortal Iron Fist #1 - 60,079
12/06 Immortal Iron Fist #2 - 40,617 (-32.4%)


08/2007: Black Adam: The Dark Age #1 of 6 — 51,788
09/2007: Black Adam: The Dark Age #2 of 6 — 36,758 (-29.0%)


12/2006: Batman Confidential #1 — 61,119
01/2007: Batman Confidential #2 — 47,451 (-22.4%)


12/2006: Welcome to Tranquility #1 — 24,352
01/2007: Welcome to Tranquility #2 — 15,087 (-38.1%)


08/2006: Justice League #1 — 212,581
09/2006: Justice League #2 — 143,412 (- 32.5%) [158,480]


06/2006: Green Lantern Corps #1 — 76,686
07/2006: Green Lantern Corps #2 — 56,886 (-25.8%)
Were you trying to dispute my point or prove it?

[Samy]

Either way, it's clear that there's no negative reaction to Titans by #2. It's following industry normal decline for #2, which every issue has, and is not taking a worse beating than any other #2.

Of course, one must remember that #1-3 are mostly ordered sight unseen, and only from #4 onwards do the numbers begin reflecting what people actually have read. Peoples' reactions to the declined art in #2 will only start factoring in to orders of #5.

[GozertheGozarian]

There's definitely been a negative reaction. Don't be looking for sales to stabilize quite yet.

[The Xenos]

Yeah. The retailers order months in advance, before the issue is ever out. They always order lower on the second issue. Nature of the game.