Giant Size Astonishing X-men (spoilers)

[Pach!]

The story opens with Spider-man swinging through New York City, when suddenly he runs into Storm, Nightcrawler and Iceman, They take him via sentinel to a space station where the heroes have united to face the challenge that's heading towards Earth...a huge bullet.

Meanwhile in the Breakworld's core Colossus is facing Aghanne, who admits to being behind the prophecy and all that to get Colossus to destroy the planet, because she believes it's too lost to be saved.

Agent Brand meanwhile is prisoner of 2 "Ords" who want a little "alone time" with her as a reward. She tells them that there are two things they should know about her: a) She never gets gang raped on a first date and b)"brand" is not her given name; as she proceed to burn the Ords with her hands. After which she reunited with Wolverine, Hisako, Beast and Danger. Brand then tells Beast she's hot for him leaving Beast quite surprised.

Back at the space station Dr Strange tries to breach the bullet's defenses and it backfires. With Dr Strange on the floor, the rest of the heroes assume that "magical protection" was just a protection against magic.

Back at the core, Aghanne is ready to break Colossus arms off and use them to destroy the Breakworld, and Colossus realizing that his metal is what they needs begins to turn back into human form, with his finger tips quickly burning. Luckily for suicide boy, Ord (the real one) runs into the core and hits Aghanne, giving Colossus enough time to turn around and ripping her protective suit into pieces. Colossus gives a dying Ord the good news, he saved the Breakworld.

Meanwhile, Reed has come up with a great idea on how to save the planet, it involves sending the bullet to the negative zone. He makes a "Door" which the bullet goes through. Success! They just need to rescue Kitty now. Reed's smile suddenly turn into an expressionless drooling face. In fact all the heroes are drooling, none of them have moved since Dr Strange fell to the floor.

Scott and Emma meanwhile are on Breakworld's fastest ship following the bullet. Emma is talking to Kitty, telling her that now would be a great time to get out of the bullet. Emma tells her that help is on the way, and we see Sentry, Iron Man and Spider-man stopping the bullet....except Spider-man realizes that something is definitely not right. Kitty tells Emma says she can't leave the bullet. The metal makes her too weak...she's trapped in the cage she freed Pete from.

Back at the Breakworld, Pete goes up to the Powerlord and with help of Wolverine rips his arm off. Pete tells him that with that symbol of servitude the people of Breakworld will obey him, so if Earth is destroyed...he will rule the Breakworld.

In Scott/Emma's ship... now with the realization that Kitty may be doomed, Emma does her best to help Kitty, offering to take her away, make her less afraid. Kitty is too brave for that. Emma in a rare moment, tells Kitty this was never meant to happen to her, and Kitty responds "Yeah I was supposed to take you out, as I recall ......disappointed ms. frost?". A visibly sad Emma responds "Astonished, Ms. Pryde". Puntastic.

The poor Sentinel from Dangerous , the one that developed a personality wants to save the world so he faces the bullet head on in a suicidal Colossus type manouver and gets destroyed... while the bullet just heads on.

At this point nothing can stop the bullet as it's headed right to Earth. Nothing but Kitty that is. "God, give me strength" as she phases the huge bullet through the whole planet.

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Back at the mansion, Scott is telling Colossus the situation. It seemed Kitty may have fused with the bullet... and even if the could phase her out, the bullet would hit a planet or something. Colossus wants them to try something but Scott tells them they've tried.... but they will keep on trying. Emma silently cries in the back.. her scorecard now has one more dead studentsx-students.

Wolverine is grieving his own way..drinking beer...Hisako gives him another outlet. Training. Outside Beast and Brand are taking..I think Beast now has a job at S.W.O.R.D. as well as a relationship with Brand who reveals herself to be half alien.

Back inside the mansion, Scott tells Emma, it's time to go back to the visor. The damage will return soon and he doesn't want to wait for that. He tells her that her eyes are red...and she tells him so are his. Then they exchange I love you's as Colossus outside thinking of Kitty . "Everything is so fragile,. There's so much conflict, so much pain. You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize this is it: the dust is your life going on. If happy comes alon, that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy -- I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get. Cause it's here, and then..." the last panel is a splash of the bullet speeding away with the title : GONE.




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I really enjoyed this issue. It had some hilarious Storm/Spider-man moments that I didn't bother to recap because it wouldn't be as funny as reading it first hand.

Overall I think the wait was worth it, because it was a very good book, in my opinion.

So it's done, guys. The Whedon/Cassaday AXM era is over.

[frog]

Thank you, Pach!!!

I can't wait to read the scenes with Beast and Brand. I figured she wasn't entirely human.

So Cassandra Nova isn't mentioned again? That bothers me. Was she really there or just more of Emma's brain melting down?

[Juggernaut_lover]

Finally, been waiting for spoilers for AGES! This sounds like an awesome ending!

[just another user]

Sorry for being obtuse, just wanted to clarify -

Kitty isn't dead then, just trapped in a bullet heading through space?

[worstblogever]

Kitty's going to regret not bringing a pack lunch. If she doesn't get something to eat in that bullet, she's going to end up looking like Kate Moss in her heyday.

[just another user]

Kitty's going to regret not bringing a pack lunch. If she doesn't get something to eat in that bullet, she's going to end up looking like Kate Moss in her heyday.

Doesn't need to eat in phased form, I don't think?

[Pach!]

Sorry for being obtuse, just wanted to clarify -

Kitty isn't dead then, just trapped in a bullet heading through space?

It's kinda what everyone is assuming, I don't think they are sure of anything though.

[frog]

Sorry for being obtuse, just wanted to clarify -

Kitty isn't dead then, just trapped in a bullet heading through space?

Sounds like they've left it open for her to eventually return, naturally.

A lot of people, including me, figured that this was what was likely to happen, rather than outright death.

[Christopher O]

I really didn't care about the plot or the main characters in this issue. For me, it was all about the small scenes between Spider-Man and Storm. They stole the show. Whedon needs to write a Spider-Man/Storm team-up mini IMMEDIATELY.

[worstblogever]

It's kinda what everyone is assuming, I don't think they are sure of anything though.

I'm sure some implausible good fortune will help her find edible space mushrooms, or the bullet will finally hit an Acanti and Kitty will have to eat her way back to freedom on Earth at some point, or something.

Wait... Acanti are kosher, right? Otherwise she'd still be stuck. :biggrin:

[frog]

I hope Ellis or someone picks up the Brand/Beast connection and runs with it. I''ve become quite fond of Brand!

[DjMichael691]

It can't believe it is here. I wish Wheddon's run on this book had never have to end. It has been one of the best comics I've ever read.
Art was great to. Spidey and Storm scenes were brilliant. The end with Wolvie and Armour was also great a moment.

My only gripe was that I wanted them to tie up Cassandra Nova, which they never did.

[frog]

I assume the problems that the various superheros had is the plot hole the reviewers at IGN complained about. It does seem like Whedon just threw that "magical protection" in without it making much sense.

[Leirus]

I'm sure some implausible good fortune will help her find edible space mushrooms, or the bullet will finally hit an Acanti and Kitty will have to eat her way back to freedom on Earth at some point, or something.

Wait... Acanti are kosher, right? Otherwise she'd still be stuck. :biggrin:

Of couuuuurse Acanti are Kosher...


THANKS FOR THE REVIEW... AT LEAST !!

No seriously... this is... just weird...

So Kitty is trapped in phase in a giant bullet traveling through the space?
Uh? Just... Lost? That does not make any sense... It is the weirdest way to go to Limbo. And if the bullet is protected against mages, they can not even use the Magick card...

Really, This is the second time Kitty vanishes in weird circumstances, like when she was trapped in a Neo spacial suit. And both by writers that thererically loved her. It is like Whedon was thinking "Mmmm... What can I do to send her to Limbo for ever? Lets imagine a end so utterly ridiculous that nobody can unmade!"

Who has the telephone number of Nova? Anybody?

[darknessatnoon]

Pach, thanks for the summary.

Does anyone really believe that Kitty wouldn't be safe on earth in the arms of Piotr if the X-Men were being led by Polaris instead of incompetent Scott & Emma?

[worstblogever]

Of couuuuurse Acanti are Kosher...


THANKS FOR THE REVIEW... AT LEAST !!

No seriously... this is... just weird...

So Kitty is trapped in phase in a giant bullet traveling through the space?
Uh? Just... Lost? That does not make any sense... It is the weirdest way to go to Limbo. And if the bullet is protected against mages, they can not even use the Magick card...

Really, This is the second time Kitty vanishes in weird circumstances, like when she was trapped in a Neo spacial suit. And both by writers that thererically loved her. It is like Whedon was thinking "Mmmm... What can I do to send her to Limbo for ever? Lets imagine a end so utterly ridiculous that nobody can unmade!"

Who has the telephone number of Nova? Anybody?

There's only one thing that can save Kitty Pryde now...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/2/2c/Piscrew.jpg

PIGS IN SPACE!!!!

Oh... wait... there's no way they're kosher. Yeah, she's screwed. :tongue:

[frog]

Pach, thanks for the summary.

Does anyone really believe that Kitty wouldn't be safe on earth in the arms of Piotr if the X-Men were being led by Polaris instead of incompetent Scott & Emma?

I think Polaris and Agent Brand would have got into a cat-fight about who had the best hair.

And Brand would have won.

[jmc247]

Does anyone really believe that Kitty wouldn't be safe on earth in the arms of Piotr if the X-Men were being led by Polaris instead of incompetent Scott & Emma?

I gave Scott a 9 for leadership ability not much higher possible, but leadership ability isn't competence.

You still don't understand what I meant by leadership ability. I didn't mean decision making skills or competence. I meant getting others to follow you or support a cause. As I said Hitler or Saddam had great leadership abilies, but poor judgement. I wasn't measuring judgement. You would certain agree that Hitler had great leadership abilities, but that didn't make him competent nor a good leader.

Pol Pot had great leadership abilities, but just getting people to follow you doesn't make you a great leader, competent, or even sane as was the case with Joan of Arc.

[just another user]

Polaris might have been able to use her metal powers though...

Hang on, Isn't Polaris in space anyway?

Problem solved! :biggrin:

[jmc247]

Hang on, Isn't Polaris in space anyway?


Space is the new way to get rid of characters the writers don't want to use.

[frog]

Oh, by the way, where is Danger and what became of Emma's promise to her?

[Leirus]

Polaris might have been able to use her metal powers though...

Hang on, Isn't Polaris in space anyway?

Problem solved! :biggrin:

Yep, I can just imagine the big bullet crashing in the prision planet where Polaris and the others are, thus freeing them...

just by chance

[ExodusCloak]

She'll probably end up getting saved by the cosmonaut Mikhail Rasputin.

[jmc247]

Why doesn't Marvel just kill off characters anymore and bring them back when needed? That would be much better then space limbo for these characters.

Just think about all the times Magneto has 'died'. He gets to have nice death scenes, everyone deals with the fallout of his death and then he is back a year or two later.

[jarrod]

Polaris might have been able to use her metal powers though...

Hang on, Isn't Polaris in space anyway?
Along with Kitty's bff Rachel. Y'know, the girl that can move molecules with her mind... think Whedon would go for a Starjammers mini?

[jmc247]

Along with Kitty's bff Rachel. Y'know, the girl that can move molecules with her mind... think Whedon would go for a Starjammers mini?

A five issue series with each issue seperated by 3-6 months? Nah.

[fitditz]

I'm a slight bit confused: Why did Spidey sock Storm?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, well, well.

Pryde as good as dead? Check.

The Nova arc being truly over ever since #18? Check.

Validation. It tingles.

And regarding Kitty... Doesn't she need to hold her breath while phasing...? It's kinda bad when suspension of disbelief starts by ignoring such a notion, eh.

Oh, by the way, where is Danger and what became of Emma's promise to her?

Was getting there. Suirely Cyke and Emma did *something* during the issue, right?

[Christopher O]

I'm a slight bit confused: Why did Spidey sock Storm?
Because she was in a trance and wouldn't come out of it, so he literally knocked her out of it.

[fitditz]

Because she was in a trance and wouldn't come out of it, so he literally knocked her out of it.
oooh, i get it now. 10-Q!

[Leirus]

Well, well, well.

Pryde as good as dead? Check.

The Nova arc being truly over ever since #18? Check.

Validation. It tingles.


Nova arc truly over? I have only seen the review and not the actual issue... but... If there is any mention of Nova... How do we know she is not in Hisako´s mind, for example? I wanted some confirmation...


And regarding Kitty... Doesn't she need to hold her breath while phasing...? It's kinda bad when suspension of disbelief starts by ignoring such a notion, eh.



Was getting there. Suirely Cyke and Emma did *something* during the issue, right?

Um about her holding her breath, yes She had to do that at first, but I think I remember some issues during Excalibur where she did not need to... or was that Colossus while armored up? :confused:

[just another user]

Well, well, well.

Pryde as good as dead? Check.

The Nova arc being truly over ever since #18? Check.

Validation. It tingles.

Sorry, I have to call you on that, you've been posting that kitty DIES repeatededly for months and mocking anyone that suggested otherwise.

Just saying.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nova arc truly over? I have only seen the review and not the actual issue... but... If there is any mention of Nova... How do we know she is not in Hisako´s mind, for example? I wanted some confirmation...

Emma's "Go To Hell" line...?

IMO, a fake cliffanger is more clever than a predictable cliffanger, lol.


Um about her holding her breath, yes She had to do that at first, but I think I remember some issues during Excalibur where she did not need to... or was that Colossus while armored up? :confused:

Dunno, but, still... for her to survive a long duration is just preposterous.

Not saying it *won't* happen, but they better bring one of these Breakworld ressurection-machines. Or something.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sorry, I have to call you on that, you've been posting that kitty DIES repeatededly for months and mocking anyone that suggested otherwise.

Just saying.

As good as it gets, considering. She's in her very own WHR only she can't get out and is basically dead to the world. Semantics, really.

Not my fault Joss wussed out.

Only one could argue he didn't. Fused to a huge magic bullet? Surely it qualifies as clinically dead, no?

[fitditz]

kitty is going to be saved by havok and the starjammers and she's going to become the newest member of Space X-Men! :tongue:

[jarrod]

A five issue series with each issue seperated by 3-6 months? Nah.
Well... it's not like any of the real X-men writers seem to eager to deal with Vulcan. A Whedon mini might actually be a quicker wrap up all things considered.


Man, that's sad. :/

[jmc247]

kitty is going to be saved by havok and the starjammers and she's going to become the newest member of Space X-Men! :tongue:

They should call them the space limbo squad, wherein Marvel releases one shots of them once every six months.

Well... it's not like any of the real X-men writers seem to eager to deal with Vulcan. A Whedon mini might actually be a quicker wrap up all things considered.

Man, that's sad. :/

There is alot of truth to that statement.

[WayneLW]

I'm very confused. How does a "giant bullet" launched from another star system light years away even reach Earth during our lifetimes? Do they explain this niggling little (and by "little" I mean "plot-destroying big") detail away in the issue? :confused:

And, for that matter, shouldn't Breakworld be experiencing some catastrophic gravitational disruptions due to it's moon being blown out of orbit in recoil to shooting the "giant bullet"?

[melodyrider]

As good as it gets, considering. She's in her very own WHR only she can't get out and is basically dead to the world. Semantics, really.

Not my fault Joss wussed out.

Only one could argue he didn't. Fused to a huge magic bullet? Surely it qualifies as clinically dead, no?


Unless it turns out to be suspended animation.

[jarrod]

Well, well, well.

Pryde as good as dead? Check.

The Nova arc being truly over ever since #18? Check.

Validation. It tingles.

And regarding Kitty... Doesn't she need to hold her breath while phasing...? It's kinda bad when suspension of disbelief starts by ignoring such a notion, eh.
Oh please... if anything, Whedon's just come full circle with his Claremont homage/rerun by leaving dangling plots strewn all over the place. That's exactly what Nova and Kitty really are...

You put on a brave face though, Emms would be proud. :biggrin:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm very confused. How does a "giant bullet" launched from another star system light years away even reach Earth during our lifetimes? Do they explain this niggling little (and by "little" I mean "plot-destroying big") detail away in the issue? :confused:

MAGIC giant bullet.

And this is MU physics. Getting from point A to point B hardly is difficult.

Hell, don't people like Gabe/Jean usually just FLY to do so anyway?

[jarrod]

MAGIC giant bullet.
Awesome... now we know why Kitty didn't have to breath/eat inside it when she comes back in 2 years. ;)

[jmc247]

Well... it's not like any of the real X-men writers seem to eager to deal with Vulcan. A Whedon mini might actually be a quicker wrap up all things considered.


Man, that's sad. :/

I think Bru is going to beat out Claremont for longest dangling plotline.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh please... if anything, Whedon's just come full circle with his Claremont homage/rerun by leaving dangling plots strewn all over the place. That's exactly what Nova and Kitty really are...

You put on a brave face though, Emms would be proud. :biggrin:

I genuinely refuse to believe that Joss:

1 - thinks ANYONE wants to write a third Nova arc, lol. Nuh-uh.

2 - doesn't get kicks out of showing to the world that he's Kitty's biggest fan by giving her a glorious death.

P.S. Was there a viking funeral or something? Some of us kinda had bets on that.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Awesome... now we know why Kitty didn't have to breath/eat inside it when she comes back in 2 years. ;)

Oh, damn it, lol.



Kitty: Hey guys! Guess who's back?

X-Men: Oh my God! Kitty! You've been gone for... Oh my god, how did you survive? It's been in 2 years!!!???

Kitty: No biggie. I didn't have to eat, sleep or breathe inside that magic giant bullet.

X-Men: Wait, what? How could this possibly work out?

Kitty: No air inside the bullet.

X-Men: Huh... 'kay. How does that have anything to do with the eating and slee...

Kitty: MAGIC bullet!!!!! GIANT, too!!! God, just let it go!!! Really, someone's gotta be president of the United States Sheesh. :biggrin:

[CMBMOOL]

I say that since Joss was a Fan of Kitty, he couldn't let her die. :frown:


So he kept her in the bullet in order for some other writer to free her in the future, wether it the Space X-men, the Guardians of the Galaxy or even Nova, we have yet to see. :redface:


Cause even I can almost picture Kitty as a Nova centurian. :tongue:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I recall him saying he wanted to write something that couldn't be retconned...

Besides, a comeback totally cancels any relevance to his run when it comes to Kitty.

[jmc247]

So now we have three X-women along with one X-girl dumped in space limbo.

[just another user]

So now we have three X-women along with one X-girl dumped in space limbo.

And none of them dead...

Maybe the Starjammers mini series that never seemed to resolve anything were just filling in time until Astonishing was published so all the plots could be tied up together.

As soon as Bru showed Colossus grieving "missing" Katya in Uncanny it was obvious the "death" was a fake out.

[fitditz]

I'm telling you: Space X-Men!

Havok, Polaris, Kitty, Rachel, Jean

Wow, there are alot of Summers in space....

[DjMichael691]

Come on people, don't you know that Gyrich pulls her out the bullet and makes her Mutant Zero :biggrin:

[jmc247]

I'm telling you: Space X-Men!

Havok, Polaris, Kitty, Rachel, Jean

Wow, there are alot of Summers in space....

I forgot about Jean. We have four X-women in space and one X-girl.

You are right that makes for four Summers in space including Vulcan, if of course Rachel was Scott's child.

[Old No.7]

Quite sad that she doesn't die. But still, being trapped in a huge metal bullet travelling through space isn't exactly a life on a tropical island either.

I wonder if they changed anything and that's why the delay's happened.

[just another user]

So now we know where Astonishing fits into continuity!

er...

[WayneLW]

MAGIC giant bullet.

And this is MU physics. Getting from point A to point B hardly is difficult.

Hell, don't people like Gabe/Jean usually just FLY to do so anyway?

All true, all true, but all of the methods involve opening "stargates" or "wormholes" or some such. If such were necessary for the "giant bullet," it would give the X-Men a way to solve the problem – destroy the transit device.

Also, if one of the reasons for why Kitty has to stay inside the "giant bullet"
(which I now accept pretty much must be magic) is really because it might hit another planet, that's just stupid. To quote Douglas Adams, "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." Hitting a planet on purpose is tough enough to swallow, but hitting a second one just by accident? Well, that's just Starship Troopers-level stupidity.

[Leirus]

Oh, damn it, lol.



Kitty: Hey guys! Guess who's back?

X-Men: Oh my God! Kitty! You've been gone for... Oh my god, how did you survive? It's been in 2 years!!!???

Kitty: No biggie. I didn't have to eat, sleep or breathe inside that magic giant bullet.

X-Men: Wait, what? How could this possibly work out?

Kitty: No air inside the bullet.

X-Men: Huh... 'kay. How does that have anything to do with the eating and slee...

Kitty: MAGIC bullet!!!!! GIANT, too!!! God, just let it go!!! Really, someone's gotta be president of the United States Sheesh. :biggrin:


LOL

But you know "It is magic, we do not need to explain it"

Joe Q. dixit.

Do we even know if Kitty is in the bullet when it leaves the earth?

(Please remember that I have not seen the actual issue)

[CaptainCanada]

I stopped caring about this series about a year ago, I think; it's a fairly enjoyable comic on merits, but scheduling just killed it for me.

I did like the Beast/Brand stuff, and the Spider-Man & Storm scenes; also, that one panel of Professor X is really, really moving.

[jarrod]

I recall him saying he wanted to write something that couldn't be retconned...

Besides, a comeback totally cancels any relevance to his run when it comes to Kitty.
He said he didn't want his run immediately retconned, I think it was one of the preconditions he had coming aboard (which makes sense considering what was happening with Morrison).

Bringing Kitty back a few years down the line doesn't reduce the relevance of his run, hell he basically ensured it with the setup of her exit. Kitty fans vindicated! :biggrin:

[jarrod]

I'd also bet on Ellis picking up the Nova subplot... seems like his kinda thing (evil alien entity hiding inside the new teen team member).

[darknessatnoon]

Something is bothering me.

In X-Treme X-Men, Claremont showed Kitty nearly destroying Earth's weather system by phasing herself through the planet. She disrupted our natural electrical system! Wouldn't phasing an entire super-large bullet through the planet, with herself, do even more damage? The climate should be permanently devastated.

[CMBMOOL]

He said he didn't want his run immediately retconned, I think it was one of the preconditions he had coming aboard (which makes sense considering what was happening with Morrison).

Bringing Kitty back a few years down the line doesn't reduce the relevance of his run, hell he basically ensured it with the setup of her exit. Kitty fans vindicated! :biggrin:

I don't get it ? :confused:


So let say Kitty is found by the Space X-men or the Guardians of the Galaxy, does that recon the run ? :confused:

[Beast]

Given all the delays, I almost wonder if Kitty being lost in space was a hasty re-write, given everyone and their mother knew about Shadowcat dying in the final issue. Frankly it would have been more satisfying if she had died. Now we have a lost in space Kitty who'll eventually run out of oxygen and die anyway. My guess, she'll end up in Shi'ar space so she can join the Starjammer Crew in time for Annihilation 3.

[jarrod]

I don't get it ? :confused:


So let say Kitty is found by the Space X-men or the Guardians of the Galaxy, does that recon the run ? :confused:
No... largely because Whedon's ending consciously implies her eventual return just like every "no body" death in fiction.

[Old No.7]

Given all the delays, I almost wonder if Kitty being lost in space was a hasty re-write, given everyone and their mother knew about Shadowcat dying in the final issue. Frankly it would have been more satisfying if she actually had died. Now we have a lost in space Kitty who'll eventually run out of oxygen and die anyway. My guess, she'll end up in Shi'ar space so she can join the Starjammer Crew in time for Annihilation 3.

Finally someone to take Rachel away from Korvus.

[frog]

I'd love to see the Beast/Brand scene if anyone with a scanner is feeling generous!

[jarrod]

I hope Ellis continues with the Beast/Brand relationship... with CeCe out of the potential picture, it's nice to see Hank get some lovin'. I also like the idea of him being an adjuct with SWORD (he's already worked with the Initiative anyway)... could make for a nice moment between Stark and Brand too, if he finds out she knew about the X-Men SF reformation.



Finally someone to take Rachel away from Korvus.
Hott!

[Beast]

Brand then tells Beast she's hot for him leaving Beast quite surprised.

Outside Beast and Brand are taking..I think Beast now has a job at S.W.O.R.D. as well as a relationship with Brand who reveals herself to be half alien.
Woo hoo! Now maybe Beast can lose some of the sad sack qualities if he's regularly hitting that. :wink:

[Beast]

I hope Ellis continues with the Beast/Brand relationship... with CeCe out of the potential picture, it's nice to see Hank get some lovin'. I also like the idea of him being an adjuct with SWORD (he's already worked with the Initiative anyway)... could make for a nice moment between Stark and Brand too, if he finds out she knew about the X-Men SF reformation.
Carey mentioned it as continuing. So I doubt Ellis will ditch the relationship.

[Beast]

Quite sad that she doesn't die. But still, being trapped in a huge metal bullet travelling through space isn't exactly a life on a tropical island either.
Nonsense! She always dreamed of going out on a big mindless metal rocket. :wink:

[Old No.7]

Nonsense! She always dreamed of going out on a big mindless metal rocket. :wink:

Yea but that one was named Colossus.

Course maybe she can name the bullet Colossus to make it easier for her.

[CMBMOOL]

Given all the delays, I almost wonder if Kitty being lost in space was a hasty re-write, given everyone and their mother knew about Shadowcat dying in the final issue. Frankly it would have been more satisfying if she had died. Now we have a lost in space Kitty who'll eventually run out of oxygen and die anyway. My guess, she'll end up in Shi'ar space so she can join the Starjammer Crew in time for Annihilation 3.

Here's hoping that the Shi'ar take a long time to get back to earth. :biggrin:

[jmc247]

Here's hoping that the Shi'ar take a long time to get back to earth. :biggrin:

They aren't going to have the Shi'ar invade right after the Skrull. We all know they are stuck in space for a very very long time to come.

At least for Kitty, Jean, Rachel, and Havok fans the characters have been and will be appearing in AU issues and other comics.

[Christopher O]

You dare???

[protogarrett]

Oh. My. God.

I cannot read the first page. It won't load for me no matter what I do!!! Can some send me the spoiler/summary as a private message!? Sorry to ask and beg, but I won't get my copy for 2 weeks still...

*puppy eyes*

[worstblogever]

Something is bothering me.

In X-Treme X-Men, Claremont showed Kitty nearly destroying Earth's weather system by phasing herself through the planet. She disrupted our natural electrical system! Wouldn't phasing an entire super-large bullet through the planet, with herself, do even more damage? The climate should be permanently devastated.

That only happens when Kitty phases through the Earth while Aunt Flo is in town, or something, I guess. Mutant powerz is weird.

[CMBMOOL]

They aren't going to have the Shi'ar invade right after the Skrull. We all know they are stuck in space for a very very long time to come.

At least for Kitty, Jean, Rachel, and Havok fans the characters have been and will be appearing in AU issues and other comics.

I better start praying for an X-people mini-series. :frown:


For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the X-people are the MC-2 universe team of the X-men. Where in that World it seems that mutants got a little respect. :redface:

[protogarrett]

Oh. My. God.

I cannot read the first page. It won't load for me no matter what I do!!! Can some send me the spoiler/summary as a private message!? Sorry to ask and beg, but I won't get my copy for 2 weeks still...

*puppy eyes*

[CyberHubbs]

What. The. Hell?!

That's what happens to Kitty? Whedon, you damn hack!

"Kitty saves the world, fuses with a giant frickin' bullet and soars off into space, buuuut...re-runs of Seinfeld are on! Peace out, Kitty!"

Don'tgoSpideyfan. Don'tgoSpideyfan. Don'tgoSpideyfan...

[La Fea]

This was really well written, but didn't pack the punch that I was expecting from the long delays. Fun, though, for what its worth!

Overall I said the run was okay because the quality was a bit inconsistent between mediocre and top notchedness.

[Pro]

Semantics, really.

se·man·tics (s-mntks)
n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
1. Linguistics The study or science of meaning in language.
2. Linguistics The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology.
3. The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form: We're basically agreed; let's not quibble over semantics.

Doesn't seem to mean what you think it means. Vanish, disappear, to pass out of sight have a similar meaning. None of them have the same meaning as dead, killed, slaughtered, butchered, perished. passed on, or gone to her maker.
You were stating she'd be dead which is quite different from the open ending they seem to have ended with. Now if you'd have said:"She'll be possibly dead" you'd have prophesized her fate accurately but then it wouldn't be much of a prophesy.

So no, not really a question of semantics. But by all means take it as liberally as you need to feel prophetic. :)

And this is MU physics. Getting from point A to point B hardly is difficult.

Hell, don't people like Gabe/Jean usually just FLY to do so anyway?

Jean used a gateway to travel from one solar system to the other. Gabe probably used the Shi-ar gateways he subsequently destroyed to strand the x-men in space.

So no again. Magic bullet doesn't provide an adequate answer to an object traveling faster than light. The closest nearby solar system is 4.1 lightyears away. That means even if somehow you could manage to make a giant bullet fly at light speed it would still take over four years to reach earth. Given that we never heard of Breakworld before this storyarc I'm assuming it's not a nearby solar system. Besides, from what i understand from the summary Kitty was communicating with the others while hurdling to earth which would not be possible if she were traveling at lightspeed. If she were traveling at lightspeed time would not pass at the same rate for Kitty as it did for the others. For Kitty her arrival and departure would be instantaneous. For anyone outside the magic bullet it would take years to reach earth even if it was traveling with the speed of light.

I recall him saying he wanted to write something that couldn't be retconned...

Guess he failed his own objective then because flying off in a giant magical bullet is anything but unretconnable.

Besides, a comeback totally cancels any relevance to his run when it comes to Kitty.

The book coming out more than a year after we already knew Kitty wouldn't be around afterwards cancels any relevance to his run when it comes to Kitty other than a "Oh so that's how it happened".

Finally someone to take Rachel away from Korvus.

:p

[Leirus]

Something is bothering me.

In X-Treme X-Men, Claremont showed Kitty nearly destroying Earth's weather system by phasing herself through the planet. She disrupted our natural electrical system! Wouldn't phasing an entire super-large bullet through the planet, with herself, do even more damage? The climate should be permanently devastated.

Ok, So I will give you the explanation they gave back in Xtreme X-Men, but it is canon, so if you do not like it, do not blame me...

When she phased herself and her captor through the planet, she was protected by an adamantium armor... It was not her, but the adamantium and its strange qualities what distorted earth system... qualities that the alien metal lacks...

She did her trick of travel great distances phasing through the planet more than once without adamantium and nothing happened...

[darknessatnoon]

se·man·tics (s-mntks)
n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
1. Linguistics The study or science of meaning in language.
2. Linguistics The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology.
3. The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form: We're basically agreed; let's not quibble over semantics.

Doesn't seem to mean what you think it means. Vanish, disappear, to pass out of sight have a similar meaning. None of them have the same meaning as dead, killed, slaughtered, butchered, perished. passed on, or gone to her maker.

Actually, he's correct. It is a matter of "semantics." Nit pick away, but she's not really alive. She's fictional, therefore she can't "die." She can be written out, however, which is effectively the same as dying. Being fused with a giant Magical Metal Bullet is as good as dead -- as death goes in comics.

[frog]

I don't think people say they'll keep trying to rescue someone who they believe is dead.

[darknessatnoon]

I don't think people say they'll keep trying to rescue someone who they believe is dead.

Oh yeah? Runaways. Gert.

[Leirus]

Oh yeah? Runaways. Gert.

Funny you say that, I have the strong suspiction that Gert will be back for volume 3 :tongue:

[darknessatnoon]

Funny you say that, I have the strong suspiction that Gert will be back for volume 3 :tongue:

Yeah, I have a strong suspicion Jean Grey will be back someday too. Big deal.

[Beast]

Guess he failed his own objective then because flying off in a giant magical bullet is anything but unretconnable.
Which is why it was most likely re-written when everyone and their mother knew the ending.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Doesn't seem to mean what you think it means. Vanish, disappear, to pass out of sight have a similar meaning. None of them have the same meaning as dead, killed, slaughtered, butchered, perished. passed on, or gone to her maker.

The semantics part rather had to do with how, say, being fused to metal - in space, no less- just might qualify as dead. According to health specialists anyway.


You were stating she'd be dead which is quite different from the open ending they seem to have ended with. Now if you'd have said:
"She'll be possibly dead" you'd have prophesized her fate accurately but then it wouldn't be much of a prophesy.

Apparently it wasn't obvious enough that I didn't change my story out of sheer spite at anything claremazon-related...? I couldn't exactly back down even after we learned of the giant bullet. It's called sticking to one's hatr... principles. :biggrin:

Jean used a gateway to travel from one solar system to the other. Gabe probably used the Shi-ar gateways he subsequently destroyed to strand the x-men in space.

The 'flying' part was a joke. Sheesh.

Guess he failed his own objective then because flying off in a giant magical bullet is anything but unretconnable.

He did. Sadly.

Still, the fused to the bullet angle is somewhat problematic to tackle. The bullet did pwn Dr. Strange like a noob.

Short of Jean or Vulcan (ah!), any other deus ex machina would be beyond ridiculous. If that ain't saying something, I dunno what does, eh.

The book coming out more than a year after we already knew Kitty wouldn't be around afterwards cancels any relevance to his run when it comes to Kitty other than a "Oh so that's how it happened".

True. Still, it's *something*, lol.

[melodyrider]

Kitty is not eating. Kitty is not drinking. Kitty is not reproducing. Kitty is not moving under her own power. She's in space fused with a big metal bullet, turned into what Art Historians call "inorganic matter" or "dead matter"; which pictorially is used in Classical painting as the symbolic form of death. That's as good as Kitty being permanently phased into her headstone.


And as we saw with Captain America when he was thawed out of the block of ice that was preserving him, none of those factors really matter when it comes to the option of bringing her back as if she never 'died' at all.

[darknessatnoon]

And as we saw with Captain America when he was thawed out of the block of ice that was preserving him, none of those factors really matter when it comes to the option of bringing her back as if she never 'died' at all.

That's different. He was cryogenically refrigerated. I wish people would stop comparing Kitty Pryde to Captain America (looking at you, CC!).

[kate-pryde]

Kitty isn't dead. The rules of actual science don't apply. Even if they did, there's always magic. They don't need to explain magic. :wink:

The main thing that Joss did with the finale for his AXM is leave a lot of fun danglers for the other writers to play with.

[melodyrider]

That's different. He was cryogenically refrigerated. I wish people would stop comparing Kitty Pryde to Captain America (looking at you, CC!).

Doesn't mean the same principle can't apply. We never did find out exactly what phasing through all that metal was doing to Kitty. It wouldn't take too much to arrange things so that something similar happens to her.

Would you prefer I compared her to Walt Disney, then? :tongue:

[Beast]

Kitty isn't dead. The rules of actual science don't apply. Even if they did, there's always magic. They don't need to explain magic. :wink:

The main thing that Joss did with the finale for his AXM is leave a lot of fun danglers for the other writers to play with.
Yeah, cause that worked SO well when Morrison left danglers with his run.

[darknessatnoon]

Doesn't mean the same principle can't apply. We never did find out exactly what phasing through all that metal was doing to Kitty. It wouldn't take too much to arrange things so that something similar happens to her.

Would you prefer I compared her to Walt Disney, then? :tongue:

That comparison only really applies to alternate reality Commandant Kitty.

[Beast]

Would you prefer I compared her to Walt Disney, then? :tongue:
She's going to get decapitated before being put on ice?

And probably not a good idea. Walt Disney would hate being compared to a Jew.

[melodyrider]

That comparison only really applies to alternate reality Commandant Kitty.

You've mentioned her before. I'm familiar with Concentration Camp Kitty. What story is Commandant Kitty from?

[melodyrider]

She's going to get decapitated before being put on ice?

And probably not a good idea. Walt Disney would hate being compared to a Jew.


Just trying to be sensitive to darknessatnoon's delicate sensibilities :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

What if the Breakworld Bullet ends up shooting Ego the Living Planet in the head... and with his array of powers, he liberates Kitty.... and...

Yeah, there's a Cosmic Kitty story waiting on this... we all know it. Via Mikhail Rasputin, the Silver Surfer, or if CC decides to come save his n-word droppin' pet character and have her become another Herald of Galactus... there's a myriad of ways that she still could get rescued.

First they have to let the "limbo recovery demand" reach a par boil. Which... usually happens around the time there's a animated show or movie vehicle which features the character, and they have to swing it.

Or a big name creator jumping from another company who insists that the only way they bolt is getting Kitty to write. Let's face it... that's how these things work.

[kate-pryde]

Yeah, cause that worked SO well when Morrison left danglers with his run.

Yes, but Joss has said he meet with Warren Ellis last year. So there is some amount of planning that has been going on for some time now.

[darknessatnoon]

You've mentioned her before. I'm familiar with Concentration Camp Kitty. What story is Commandant Kitty from?

I vaguely remember an evil, Nazi, Kitty Pryde that set off Concentration Camp Kitty from the cross-time caper. I think evil Nazi Kitty may have also appeared in that one final Ellis written Excalibur issue where Peter, Kurt and Kitty got tricked into Limbo by Belasco.

[darknessatnoon]

Yes, but Joss has said he meet with Warren Ellis last year. So there is some amount of planning that has been going on for some time now.

My impression is that the "planning" included Whedon telling Ellis, "Kitty is fused with a big metal bullet." Ellis replied, "Maybe I should use Storm instead?"

[melodyrider]

I vaguely remember an evil, Nazi, Kitty Pryde that set off Concentration Camp Kitty from the cross-time caper. I think evil Nazi Kitty may have also appeared in that one final Ellis written Excalibur issue where Peter, Kurt and Kitty got tricked into Limbo by Belasco.

I think you may be confusing the first one with the Nazi Moira MacTaggert. As for the Ellis issue, that's entirely possible, especially in the crowd scene. Personally, I found the Phantom Girl Kitty more amusing.

[lockerogue]

It was okay. Storm and Spiderman stole the issue for me. I agree with Chris Storm and Spiderman book pronto.

[darknessatnoon]

I think you may be confusing the first one with the Nazi Moira MacTaggert. As for the Ellis issue, that's entirely possible, especially in the crowd scene. Personally, I found the Phantom Girl Kitty more amusing.

Like I said in my original Kitty Pryde thread, I wasn't 100% certain about that one. But no one volunteered any other images. They were content to discuss the ones already on offer. Kitty America is so far my favorite alterna-Kitty.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, there's a Cosmic Kitty story waiting on this... we all know it. Via Mikhail Rasputin, the Silver Surfer, or if CC decides to come save his n-word droppin' pet character and have her become another Herald of Galactus... there's a myriad of ways that she still could get rescued.

You just know CC's bugging Buckley about writing a mini narrating Kitty's triumphant return during which she manages to free herself from the bullet thanks to her indomitable will.

And then she'd land on a planet on which she'd meet an AU Storm and help her lead a rebellion against a tyrannic evil empire led by an AU BP and Cyclops. After said evil-doers have their heads cut off, the pair hook up, goes back to Earth and slaughter the actual BP and Cyke just in case they'd turn evil too. And then Kitty becomes president with AU 'Ro as her vice-pres. FOREVER.

My impression is that the "planning" included Whedon telling Ellis, "Kitty is fused with a big metal bullet." Ellis replied, "Maybe I should use Storm instead?"

Nice.

[melodyrider]

Like I said in my original Kitty Pryde thread, I wasn't 100% certain about that one. But no one volunteered any other images. They were content to discuss the ones already on offer. Kitty America is so far my favorite alterna-Kitty.

I'm partial to the Kingpin of Crime version.

[Beast]

My impression is that the "planning" included Whedon telling Ellis, "Kitty is fused with a big metal bullet." Ellis replied, "Maybe I should use Storm instead?"
Most likely. I don't expect to see Kitty again until we see Havok, Polaris, and Rachel again.

[pryde15]

I for one am shocked to see Kitty go.

Other than the fact that you could see him writing off Kitty from a mile away, he also did in the form of a gigantic bullet? That is his big send off for one of his favorite characters? hmm...

[worstblogever]

I for one am shocked to see Kitty go.
Other than the fact that you could see him writing off Kitty from a mile away, he also did in the form of a gigantic bullet? That is his big send off for one of his favorite characters? hmm...

It doubles as a parade float when she returns.

[pryde15]

It doubles as a parade float when she returns.

Ah I see. Either way, I'm still bitter.

[f4faith]

It was okay. Storm and Spiderman stole the issue for me. I agree with Chris Storm and Spiderman book pronto.

Agreed. Storm and Spiderman were the only interesting parts. The rest of it I could have written in my sleep at least plot wise. Heck I've seen the ending predicted on boards all over. Yes, Astonishing has had some snappy interaction between some characters now and then but overall it just not been worth waiting seemingly decades in comic time for. And the whitewashing of Emma has been yawn inducing.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I may be alone in this but...MEH...thank god it's finally over and done with...I won't miss you Joss. I won't miss you John.

[streator]

looking forward to reading it.

i wish cassandra nova would have been addressed, though.

[Anna]

So, what happened to Danger?

[Old No.7]

So, what happened to Danger?

Found a mechanical bull.
Made love.
The End.

[JKMD]

The climate should be permanently devastated.

Global warming = Pryde's Magic Bullet. Case closed.

Oh, boy. Is it bad that I voted "donkey balls" on this issue? And not because I'm losing one of my favorite characters to space limbo for a while, but because it just felt SO unsatisfying. What a letdown...

I do have to give one plus to this issue, though, in all fairness. This was the first time since Gen X that I have enjoyed reading the character of Emma Frost. The short page exchange with Scott at the end with "your eyes are red" was really very nice.

[CyberHubbs]

I hate to say this about a Whedon book, but this issue turned out to be terrible. There were some redeeming moments, but most of these had to do with Spider-Man, and he's not even part of the regular cast! The other moments belonged to Brand and Beast. "Pretty much wanna break you like a pony. It's a win-win."

But neither made up for the fact that the book just made no sense. There was no last moment between Peter and Kitty, and despite what someone's feelings on their relationship might be, Whedon seemed to go out of his way to make them a couple again. Just felt utterly anti-climatic.

And what was with all the drooling?

[Diablito]

This issue was pretty good. I just honestly hope Kitty is dead. It would kind of annoy me if she just came back.

[Old No.7]

I hate to say this about a Whedon book, but this issue turned out to be terrible. There were some redeeming moments, but most of these had to do with Spider-Man, and he's not even part of the regular cast! The other moments belonged to Brand and Beast. "Pretty much wanna break you like a pony. It's a win-win."

But neither made up for the fact that the book just made no sense. There was no last moment between Peter and Kitty, and despite what someone's feelings on their relationship might be, Whedon seemed to go out of his way to make them a couple again. Just felt utterly anti-climatic.

And what was with all the drooling?

I think Nova had something to do w/ the drolling.

I think the thing that bothered me bout this is the plot points that were just left out. What happened to Emma telling Danger she'll giver he Xavier?

[lockerogue]

So Cyclops had limited control over his powers right. What happened to the little purple dragon aka Lockheed?

[Old No.7]

So Cyclops had limited control over his powers right. What happened to the little purple dragon aka Lockheed?

Oh crap, that's another plot that was just completely ignored. I knew I was missing something.

You don't even seen Lockheed.

[JKMD]

And what was with all the drooling?

Drooling is sexy, that's what. Sells books.

[protogarrett]

I think Nova had something to do w/ the drolling.

I think the thing that bothered me bout this is the plot points that were just left out. What happened to Emma telling Danger she'll giver he Xavier?

There is another run of Astonishing coming... They might just tie up some of those threads in future issues.

[Old No.7]

Here's the image at the end where Beast and Brand talk.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7708/beastbrandeh3.th.jpg

[Old No.7]

There is another run of Astonishing coming... They might just tie up some of those threads in future issues.

Yea but is set after Messiah Complex, after the current Uncanny arc, current X-Force arc, plus why should Ellis be forced to wrap up Whedon's work?

[lockerogue]

Yea but is set after Messiah Complex, after the current Uncanny arc, current X-Force arc, plus why should Ellis be forced to wrap up Whedon's work?

And that brings up another question. When and where does this whole arc take place?

[Old No.7]

And that brings up another question. When and where does this whole arc take place?

This arc supposedly takes place in the couple of days between Blinded by the Light and Messiah Complex.

[CyberHubbs]

I think Nova had something to do w/ the drolling.

I think the thing that bothered me bout this is the plot points that were just left out. What happened to Emma telling Danger she'll giver he Xavier?

Yeah. And Lockheed!

Man, that five bucks could've gone toward Wendy's.

Drooling is sexy, that's what. Sells books.

I know I got excited at seeing Pixie drool!

But still would have preferred Wendy's.

[CyberHubbs]

Here's the image at the end where Beast and Brand talk.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7708/beastbrandeh3.th.jpg

That was good stuff, yes. But then, I'm Pro-Beast&Brand sittin' in a tree.

[Old No.7]

That was good stuff, yes. But then, I'm Pro-Beast&Brand sittin' in a tree.

Then pick up Ellis's Astonishing.

[darknessatnoon]

Being half an alien is no excuse for wanting Beast. It's gross. The only way I find this remotely acceptable is if they engage in some "erotic shaving."

[CyberHubbs]

Then pick up Ellis's Astonishing.


Come on. As if you even had to ask?

I am hurt.

[lockerogue]

I think the drooling came from Pixie farting pixie dust. So everyone breathed it in and started hallucinating and drooling.

[CyberHubbs]

Being half an alien is no excuse for wanting Beast. It's gross. The only way I find this remotely acceptable is if they engage in some "erotic shaving."

Brand is turned on by aliens. She likes'em exotic.

[timbox]

I don't really know what to say, I loved it.

I was hoping Kitty would be rescued but I can deal with that awesome display of phasing power.

The Brand reveal was awesome, I like her a lot more now. She's obviously alien if she wants to get into Beast's pants.

The Emma -> Kitty and Emma -> Scott scenes were great.

Armor!!! Did you see her claws?!!? More control over her powers, awesome! Yay!

[frog]

Being half an alien is no excuse for wanting Beast. It's gross. The only way I find this remotely acceptable is if they engage in some "erotic shaving."

Brand's not a lesbian. She's not hooking up with Sage dispite her lack of sentiment.

[Beast]

That was good stuff, yes. But then, I'm Pro-Beast&Brand sittin' in a tree.
Same here. So glad he's hooking up with someone who isn't a complete skag like Trash Tilby.

[frog]

Same here. So glad he's hooking up with someone who isn't a complete skag like Trash Tilby.

Amen!!!!!!!

[Old No.7]

You think Brand will play red rocket w/ Beast?

[Beast]

You think Brand will play red rocket w/ Beast?
I'm sure they'll be playing a lot sexy games. After all, she wants to break him like a pony. :wink:

[CyberHubbs]

I'm sure they'll be playing a lot sexy games. After all, she wants to break him like a pony. :wink:

I completely forgot that Brand shows up in Secret Invasion! I want more Brand/Beast interaction.

[Beast]

I completely forgot that Brand shows up in Secret Invasion! I want more Brand/Beast interaction.
I'm sure we'll get it in Astonishing. Given Carey refrenced Brand as Beast's girlfriend in the SI interview.

[Eallison]

Well, I'm going to side with the vocal minority and say "donkey balls."

Not with a bang, but a whimper ... I have to be honest, I am well and truly sick and tired of hearing someone say how much they love a character just before they do a terrible hatchet job on them, or characterize them in the worst way possible.

I know a lot of people love Joss' writing -- I'm just not one of them anymore. From virtually naked ripoffs of classic stories and scenes (Kitty rising the water a la Wolverine in the Dark Phoenix Saga) to poor resurrections (Colossus), I'm not impressed with it.

And writing Kitty out like this? Ugh. Terrible, just terrible. Bad enough the "ending" was blown, what, a year ago (we all knew Kitty's days were numbered), but THIS is how it happened?

I know Joss loves his classic comics (Willow being an "homage" of Dark Phoenix in his series), but I will pretty much say now that, where the Dark Phoenix Saga is still revered as a classic, Joss' run, especially this ending, will not be nearly as well-remembered, even a couple years from now (IMHO).

And it was in his contract that his items couldn't be immediately retconned? Wow, so to heck with all other writers (Morrison, for example), but heaven forbid Whedon be subjected to the same treatment as others?

That really irks me, truthfully (assuming it is true).

Take it and run.

[darknessatnoon]

I know a lot of people love Joss' writing -- I'm just not one of them anymore. From virtually naked ripoffs of classic stories and scenes (Kitty rising the water a la Wolverine in the Dark Phoenix Saga)

To be fair, that wasn't a "rip-off." It was an homage.

[Eallison]

To be fair, that wasn't a "rip-off." It was an homage.

I understand that, but do it enough times (again, Willow) and it doesn't come off as a "mere" homage as much. I admit, it might have sounded more venomous than I intended, but in the end, there is very little (again, IMHO) to Whedon's run that I think will stand the test of time or be hailed as classic in its OWN right.

Take it and run.

[Old No.7]

The more I think about this, the more I get irritated, I really wanted resolution w/ the Emma/Danger/Xavier plot points and the Lockheed plot. The Kitty "death" was weak, we got one little moment w/ her and Emma and that was it. It just felt...lame. I really think we didn't need all those heroes assembled, they provided NOTHING to the story. Nothing. Notta. This felt like a cut and paste job, like the book was done once, then they decided to change a good bit of it and hacked some parts out and pasted some parts in.

[worstblogever]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again in regards to those who do not approve of the Brand/Beast relationship...

"Dr. Henry McCoy is a fine piece of *ss, and any woman would be lucky to have a man of not just his physical stature, but his immense wit and intellect. The fact that he's cuddly is just a bonus caveat."

All of you follow the harsh media bias presented by Trish Tilby against Hank. For shame, all of you. *shakes head*

[Beast]

The more I think about this, the more I get irritated, I really wanted resolution w/ the Emma/Danger/Xavier plot points and the Lockheed plot. The Kitty "death" was weak, we got one little moment w/ her and Emma and that was it. It just felt...lame. I really think we didn't need all those heroes assembled, they provided NOTHING to the story. Nothing. Notta. This felt like a cut and paste job, like the book was done once, then they decided to change a good bit of it and hacked some parts out and pasted some parts in.
Don't forget the Cassandra Nova plot points.

Whedon's entire run is ripe with danglers, none of which is likely to be picked up.

The only development that will carry on is Kitty being gone and Beast/Brand being an item.

[Beast]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again in regards to those who do not approve of the Brand/Beast relationship...

"Dr. Henry McCoy is a fine piece of *ss, and any woman would be lucky to have a man of not just his physical stature, but his immense wit and intellect. The fact that he's cuddly is just a bonus caveat."

All of you follow the harsh media bias presented by Trish Tilby against Hank. For shame, all of you. *shakes head*
I knew there was a reason I liked you. And Trish Tilby is a skag. :smile:

[drwho]

Kitty will be back i could easily see magik sensing her dilemma and saving her friend.

[darknessatnoon]

I do not think there are any Cassandra Nova dangling plot-lines. I looked again. Emma stopped her from transferring into Armor.

Cassandra Nova is safely ensconced in Carter ... or Stuff ... or Ernst ... or the basement blob (who is also Stuff).

[darknessatnoon]

The only thing is that Cassandra promised we would see Beast devolve into a worm. I want to see her word made good.

[Beast]

Kitty will be back i could easily see magik sensing her dilemma and saving her friend.
She didn't seem to sense it yet, given she visited the mansion well after Messiah Complex.

[Beast]

The only thing is that Cassandra promised we would see Beast devolve into a worm. I want to see her word made good.
That wasn't a promise. She was playing on his fears.

Hank's got himself a hot alien chick to keep his mind off those unfounded fears.

[worstblogever]

The only thing is that Cassandra promised we would see Beast devolve into a worm. I want to see her word made good.

Cassandra Nova misspoke. She meant that he'd devolve around women into a ladies man, and they'd touch his worm.

Agent Brand will prove her correct.

[darknessatnoon]

That wasn't a promise. She was playing on his fears.

Hank's got himself a hot alien chick to keep his mind off those unfounded fears.

He went all grrr and savage against Danger. He ate Wolverine's leg. It seems that her prediction is coming true. Beast is devolving.

Wolverine's leg will become worm-food.

[CyberHubbs]

What I want to see is Nova come back, and she's about to beat the X-Men when we see that same mile-long bullet plummeting out of the sky again. But this time, Kitty is riding it and swinging a cowboy hat over her head! WHAAAAAAAAAAA-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The giant bullet hits Nova, and Kitty phases her, herself and the bullet through the planet again. Then she lets go on the other side, watches the bullet carry Nova off into space, then goes and finds a payphone.

"Guys? Can you come pick me up? Oh, and bring a sandwich. Kosher! I'm starving!"

[Swashbuckler]

Pathetic. I thought this issue sucked. The fights seemed inncoherent. Kitty's "death" has been so over done already. The other Heroes made NO impact on the entire story so what was the point aside from a stupid cameo. Whedon should never touch X comics again. This was horrible. I can't believe i expected something more.

[Madrox84]

Sounds alright... But i stopped caring about Astonishing X-Men about two years ago...

All the delays just killed it for me.

[Swashbuckler]

The more I think about this, the more I get irritated, I really wanted resolution w/ the Emma/Danger/Xavier plot points and the Lockheed plot. The Kitty "death" was weak, we got one little moment w/ her and Emma and that was it. It just felt...lame. I really think we didn't need all those heroes assembled, they provided NOTHING to the story. Nothing. Notta. This felt like a cut and paste job, like the book was done once, then they decided to change a good bit of it and hacked some parts out and pasted some parts in.

agreed. This is was weak. Why all the build up for this crap ending?

[Beast]

What I want to see is Nova come back, and she's about to beat the X-Men when we see that same mile-long bullet plummeting out of the sky again. But this time, Kitty is riding it and swinging a cowboy hat over her head! WHAAAAAAAAAAA-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The giant bullet hits Nova, and Kitty phases her, herself and the bullet through the planet again. Then she lets go on the other side, watches the bullet carry Nova off into space, then goes and finds a payphone.

"Guys? Can you come pick me up? Oh, and bring a sandwich. Kosher! I'm starving!"
I would pay to see that. It would rock my socks. :)

[CyberHubbs]

What bothers me most, though, is some of the reviews I read before this came out. People were whacking off to this issue! Then I read it and am like, "Seriously? 'Cause I think there's a much bigger problem than some minor plot hole!"

[Frodo-X]

This might be the most highly-praised stupid-ass run I've ever heard of. Next time Whedon touches characters I like, I'll be content to ignore it.

[Ogrebear]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again in regards to those who do not approve of the Brand/Beast relationship...

"Dr. Henry McCoy is a fine piece of *ss, and any woman would be lucky to have a man of not just his physical stature, but his immense wit and intellect. The fact that he's cuddly is just a bonus caveat."

All of you follow the harsh media bias presented by Trish Tilby against Hank. For shame, all of you. *shakes head*

You sir are totally correct.

Hank *finally* get himself another partner!

Anyone else notice he's got less and less 'cat' in all but face?

All we need now is Skrull Beast, 'dark' Beast and cat Beast together for a chat over tea....:smile:

[pryde15]

Well, I'm going to side with the vocal minority and say "donkey balls."

Not with a bang, but a whimper ... I have to be honest, I am well and truly sick and tired of hearing someone say how much they love a character just before they do a terrible hatchet job on them, or characterize them in the worst way possible.

I know a lot of people love Joss' writing -- I'm just not one of them anymore. From virtually naked ripoffs of classic stories and scenes (Kitty rising the water a la Wolverine in the Dark Phoenix Saga) to poor resurrections (Colossus), I'm not impressed with it.

And writing Kitty out like this? Ugh. Terrible, just terrible. Bad enough the "ending" was blown, what, a year ago (we all knew Kitty's days were numbered), but THIS is how it happened?

I know Joss loves his classic comics (Willow being an "homage" of Dark Phoenix in his series), but I will pretty much say now that, where the Dark Phoenix Saga is still revered as a classic, Joss' run, especially this ending, will not be nearly as well-remembered, even a couple years from now (IMHO).

And it was in his contract that his items couldn't be immediately retconned? Wow, so to heck with all other writers (Morrison, for example), but heaven forbid Whedon be subjected to the same treatment as others?

That really irks me, truthfully (assuming it is true).

Take it and run.

marry me. :smile:

[xmanfan527]

so what was up with all the avengers thinking they saved the world from the bullet? was that nova or what

[ZeoVGM]

Best comic of the week.

One of the best comic's I've ever read.

The way Whedon handled Kitty's story was amazing. The art was amazing. Whedon's handling of the MU was amazing. (Especially Spidey -- can we please replace Gale with Whedon in the brain trust?)

The mirroring of Peter and Kitty's stories was well done, the scene with all the heroes thinking they stopped the bullet had me confused at first, then thinking "Holy shit that's cool."

Just incredible. Delays weren't even a factor, when you put out a book THIS damn fantastic.

[ZeoVGM]

so what was up with all the avengers thinking they saved the world from the bullet? was that nova or what

The backfiring from Strange's magic caused them all to think they saved the world.

[Hakael]

Decent book, but not the best one that came out this week... out of the X-line...

and for a giant size to not be the best x-book when its released, after a long delay... thats a bit off.

The Beast/Brand scenes are great, I'm happy to see this relationship continue. Ord kinda came full circle, but at this point I didn't really care. Danger simply disappeared, which is fine cause I hated it. I hope Danger ends up on a scrap heap somewhere.

Giant Magic Bullet and Kitty's fate, well it just didn't work very well for me. Its pretty freaking vague as to if Kitty can survive, and taking the "giant magic bullet" concept and how silly it is into account, its really not putting the series out on a high point. Good issue with some good scenes, but certainly not the best issue of Whedon's run, and not even the best issue of the week for X-Men.

[Beast]

The backfiring from Strange's magic caused them all to think they saved the world.
No. My guess was it's simply the bullet's defense mechanisms.

[ZeoVGM]

Giant Magic Bullet and Kitty's fate, well it just didn't work very well for me. Its pretty freaking vague as to if Kitty can survive, and taking the "giant magic bullet" concept and how silly it is into account, its really not putting the series out on a high point. Good issue with some good scenes, but certainly not the best issue of Whedon's run, and not even the best issue of the week for X-Men.

It was supposed to be vague. That was the point. That's what made it so great. Whedon went away the typical death sacrifice that most writers would have done. I don't see how the giant bullet is silly either.

Anyway, X-Force was so damn good, it's not exactly a negative to say it wasn't as good as that.

[Agent_Torpor]

Either she's dead or she ain't dead! ARGH! I hate the murkiness.

Just a way for her to eventually come back - so why even bother with offing her in the first place?

Not happy with that. Wish she was more solidly dead.

[ZeoVGM]

No. My guess was it's simply the bullet's defense mechanisms.

No. It was obviously due to the magic from Strange. Maybe that happened due to the bullet, but that's obviously arguable. But the heroes acting that way due to being hit by Strange's magic backfiring was obvious and not really that arguable.

A point was made to show every hero being hit by a bolt of magic energy.

Either she's dead or she ain't dead! ARGH! I hate the murkiness.

Just a way for her to eventually come back - so why even bother with offing her in the first place?

Not happy with that. Wish she was more solidly dead.

So you wanted a typical "someone dies" ending?

Lame.

[Michael P]

Whedon and Cassaday's Spider-Man was awesome.

[jester1436]

http://i25.tinypic.com/291oriu.jpg


NO KITTY NO!!!!!!!!!!

This is almost exactly the ending I wanted for Kitty in Astonishing. It's the not dead but not there ending that fails to satisfy the crazies and the death prophets. I don't care if it's a good or bad ending, because it satisfies my needs.

[jarrod]

Wait, wait, wait... I need to know, rly rly important, what happened to to Lockheed??!?



He needs to join MI:13 after this. Then he, Pete and Brian should hit the bar and pour one out for Katherine.

[darknessatnoon]

http://i25.tinypic.com/291oriu.jpg


NO KITTY NO!!!!!!!!!!

This is almost exactly the ending I wanted for Kitty in Astonishing. It's the not dead but not there ending that fails to satisfy the crazies and the death prophets. I don't care if it's a good or bad ending, because it satisfies my needs.

There are many "kinds" of Magic Bullets to be stuck in. For a moment, I mistook that image for something else.

[pryde15]

There are many "kinds" of Magic Bullets to be stuck in. For a moment, I mistook that image for something else.

LOL. NOW that would be the worst way to write a character off.

[Red Lotus]

After reading this issue I want Whedon to do an arc on Amazing. His Spider-man was better then the writers they have on the book now.

[jarrod]

Lockheed?! Anyone??

[CyberHubbs]

I disagree with Pryde15 on some things concerning Whedon's run and the Kitty/Colossus pairing, but far as Giant-sized Astonishing is concerned...

http://donkey.sitewizard.biz/customers/104100112534375/images/DonkeyBallsMocha.gif

[CyberHubbs]

Lockheed?! Anyone??

Not a single mention.

[darknessatnoon]

Oh and being a bitch doesn't get you anywhere in life, so don't try.

LOL!

My two-cents:

Donkey-Balls. Even I admit that Kitty deserved better than this, but taking her off the playing field before Ellis starts does spare her another round with Pete Wisdom...

Anyway, I sense the purpose of his all-star ending was to tie up the whole X-Men as Superheroes thing he had in the first issue (and which he tried to allude to when they fought some big monster side by side with the FF). The rest of the MU was supposed to watch the X-Men save the day, and perhaps? miss the point again? I don't know. It's strange because the other heroes already know the X-Men are supercool. It's the general public that doesn't.

Whedon needs to man up and take responsibility for his delays. No one pulls that prima donna shit when writing the X-Men. I doubt the TV execs at Fox would tolerate him sitting on a script for Dollhouse. There are consequences, as he well learned when he didn't write the Wonder Woman script for a year.

[pryde15]

I disagree with Pryde15 on some things concerning Whedon's run and the Kitty/Colossus pairing, but far as Giant-sized Astonishing is concerned...

http://donkey.sitewizard.biz/customers/104100112534375/images/DonkeyBallsMocha.gif

I am bitter. :biggrin:

Lockheed should go follow Pixie now.

[creaky]

I disagree with Pryde15 on some things concerning Whedon's run and the Kitty/Colossus pairing, but far as Giant-sized Astonishing is concerned...

http://donkey.sitewizard.biz/customers/104100112534375/images/DonkeyBallsMocha.gif

Why is there a monkey on the bag when the ball is from a donkey?

Edit: Wait, that is a donkey! Just a badly drawn one. D'oh.

As for the issue, it was a spooky fate for Kitty, but I just can't grieve yet, because I am in no way convinced Ellis won't bring her back. He's a Kitty fan, isn't he?

[CyberHubbs]

I am bitter. :biggrin:

Lockheed should go follow Pixie now.

She would just tape a fake horn to his head and call him her unicorn.

That's no way for an intergalactic superspy to live.

[Leirus]

Not a single mention.

So If we were to do a danglers list from this run

- Where the hell are Lockheed and Danger?
- What happened in Lockheed´s planet? Wasnt he from the Brood planet where Kitty found him? Is Brand going to help him?
- The promise that Emma made to Danger about Xavier?
- Casandra Nova? To be the responsible of Genosha deadpool they are a bit careless with her
- Where will the Giant Bullent end up?

I think that is pretty much all

[pryde15]

She would just tape a fake horn to his head and call him her unicorn.

That's no way for an intergalactic superspy to live.

I thought she would just sprinkle her pixie dust on him so he would appear as a unicorn.

[jarrod]

Not a single mention.
NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!


A giant magic bullet's better than that. :frown:

[Hakael]

After reading this issue I want Whedon to do an arc on Amazing. His Spider-man was better then the writers they have on the book now.

Not better than Mr. Slott's spidey... no sir. But I'd welcome Whedon into the Amazing crew if he could turn in his scripts on time.

[timbox]

Stop arguing like children and bask in the glory of Armor and the newly discovered control of her powers:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5040/armor1ik9.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3002/armor2av0.jpg

[Leirus]

Stop arguing like children and bask in the glory of Armor and the newly discovered control of her powers:


Umm... to be honest I am not totally sure I like to see her armor with claws
Mayb she will go to X-Force with all the other sharp mutants?

[timbox]

Umm... to be honest I am not totally sure I like to see her armor with claws
Mayb she will go to X-Force with all the other sharp mutants?

I think what's important is that she has finer control over her armor than we thought, she chose claws to fight Wolverine with, but she can probably do other shapes as well.

[rwsmith]

I thought it was a pretty good ending, but it was a bit...disjointed in places. Like where everyone starts thinking they saved the world from the giant bullet. That seemed to come out of nowhere and was a bit off-putting. Otherwise I thought it was fine. Whedon didn't actually kill Kitty, rather he just sent her off into limbo for awhile. She'll be back, no doubt about it. In fact, she'll probably end up getting picked up by her buddy Rachel and the rest of the Starjammers.

So, all in all, I liked Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing X-men run. It's no Grant Morrison's New X-men run, but what is?

And I have high hopes for the Ellis/Bianchi AXM: Second Stage, despite the fact that Ellis said Wolverine will provide "comic relief" in the latest Wizard. :mad: :evilangry:

[Beast]

And I have high hopes for the Ellis/Bianchi AXM: Second Stage, despite the fact that Ellis said Wolverine will provide "comic relief" in the latest Wizard. :mad: :evilangry:
Well, Wolverine has become a huge joke over the years. So bravo to Ellis.

[rwsmith]

Easy, buddy. No need to go there. It's not his fault that Marvel exploits him.

[Beast]

Easy, buddy. No need to go there. It's not his fault that Marvel exploits him.
He's a fictional character.

You know... like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Male-Friendly Lesbian. :wink:

[rwsmith]

Who was once awesome and has now been exploited to the point that many comic book fans (such as yourself) are now tired of him. I suppose that's because he's become popular with the mainstream, who are not as familiar and jaded as us comic book fans. Still sucks for him, though.

And, yes, I know he's fictional, but sometimes I feel bad for him nonetheless. :wink:

[Beast]

Who was once awesome and has now been exploited to the point that many comic book fans (such as yourself) are now tired of him. I suppose that's because he's become popular with the mainstream, who are not as familiar and jaded as us comic book fans. Still sucks for him, though.

And, yes, I know he's fictional, but sometimes I feel bad for him nonetheless. :wink:
At least he's appearing in Wolverine: First Class. Back when he was actually still cool.

[rwsmith]

Yeah, I've been picking that up. Actually really good---and this from a guy who didn't think he would like it! Good stuff.

I also have high hopes for Millar and McNiven's 'Old Man Logan.' Last time Mark got ahold of Logan he made him pretty badass IMO (except for when he jobbed to Daredevil, but he was fighting his mind-control at the time so I suppose it's forgiveable).

[Old No.7]

Yeah, I've been picking that up. Actually really good---and this from a guy who didn't think he would like it! Good stuff.

I also have high hopes for Millar and McNiven's 'Old Man Logan.' Last time Mark got ahold of Logan he made him pretty badass IMO (except for when he jobbed to Daredevil, but he was fighting his mind-control at the time so I suppose it's forgiveable).

I think I'm grabbing that in TPB form. I wanna start dropping monthlies and this seems like a good time.

[Beast]

I think I'm grabbing that in TPB form. I wanna start dropping monthlies and this seems like a good time.
Tempted to do the same. At least for my non-X purchases.

[Brian Cronin]

Rice was fine, but the rest of you, quite lame.

On the one hand you had one of the sillier examples of "cliquishness" ("Everyone, get him! Defend our land!") and on the other hand, Michael, you kept arguing well past the point where you should have - "Child, I have been here before you"?!?! "I love messing with fanboys?!?" How in the world could you think that was copacetic?

-Brian

[timbox]

Did Cronin just call me lame for posting sweet Armor scans? Pass the hateorade. :biggrin: :evilsmile: :tongue:

[darknessatnoon]

Did Cronin just call me lame for posting sweet Armor scans? Pass the hateorade. :biggrin: :evilsmile: :tongue:

Not for posting the scans. Just for liking those claws.

[timbox]

Not for posting the scans. Just for liking those claws.

I'll cut you.

[Brian Cronin]

Did Cronin just call me lame for posting sweet Armor scans? Pass the hateorade. :biggrin: :evilsmile: :tongue:

I left your scan, didn't I? :smile:

-Brian

[timbox]

You heard it here first, folks. Cronin loves Armor. Finally someone I can really connect with, call me.

[Old No.7]

You heard it here first, folks. Cronin loves Armor. Finally someone I can really connect with, call me.

Let's just hope he's not a Surge fan.

[La Fea]

I like Armor even though she has a narrow head!!!

[timbox]

I like Armor even though she has a narrow head!!!

Call me, 3-way with Cronin.

[frog]

Armor and Agent Brand are the best things to come out of Astonishing!

[timbox]

Armor and Agent Brand are the best things to come out of Astonishing!

frog's words move me.

[Beast]

Armor and Agent Brand are the best things to come out of Astonishing!
Pretty much. Thankfully it won't be abandoned like Whedon's other danglers.

[Toboe]

Yeah, I couldn't help but read the spoilers...

Sounds incredibly dissapointing. I'm impressed he left so many hanging plots that most likely no one will follow. Surely I'll enjoy the little character moments once I get to read it, but the overall Breakworld and its giant magic bullet plot does absolutely nothing for me and seems like an extremely lame way to send off Kitty Pryde after all the development Whedon had with her.

[La Fea]

Armor and Agent Brand are the best things to come out of Astonishing!

Blindfold???????????

Also, telepathic tea party. This place should be revisited.

[frog]

Blindfold???????????

Also, telepathic tea party. This place should be revisited.

Yes, Blindfold's pretty cool too. I don't suppose she appeared at all in this issue?

[La Fea]

Yes, Blindfold's pretty cool too. I don't suppose she appeared at all in this issue?

Hmm...that is strange.

He didn't even wrap up anything with his rather mysterious character.

I guess he probably figured she was being handled with care already anyway.

[Beast]

Hmm...that is strange.

He didn't even wrap up anything with his rather mysterious character.

I guess he probably figured she was being handled with care already anyway.
Or like Cassandra Nova, Danger, Lockheed, etc... they were just dropped.

[La Fea]

Or like Cassandra Nova, Danger, Lockheed, etc... they were just dropped.

Hmm...well I don't care about Lockheed (sorry, jarrod)...or Danger actually but I still would've liked to see the major villains' stories come to some kind of conclusion or at least another stage.

EFF Breakworld and Ord! He was only fun when Armor first punched him.

That was the moment I knew I'd like her.
KA POW BETCH.

I really hope Ellis makes good use of her. I like Armor but at the same time I kinda feel like I don't know who she is as a character.

[darknessatnoon]

Cassandra Nova was not just dropped. She didn't make it into Armor's "brains" because there wasn't enough room in there. And Emma stopped her.

Emma made a deal with Danger and welshed on it. Big surprise. Did we need a page for that? What's Danger going to do about it? Kill someone? No. Move on.

Lockheed.... He probably went to take care of his business on his own without those useless X-Freaks. OR, he's sneaking off to grab the Messiah baby from Cable.

[Beast]

I would have liked to know what Danger whispered to Emma though. That was a crappy dangler.

[Beast]

Cassandra Nova was not just dropped. She didn't make it into Armor's "brains" because there wasn't enough room in there. And Emma stopped her.
No, it was just dropped. Whedon didn't know what was going on with the whole Ernst thing anyway.
Emma made a deal with Danger and welshed on it. Big surprise. Did we need a page for that? What's Danger going to do about it? Kill someone? No. Move on.
You forgot Danger whispering something so important to Emma that she gave up let Danger defeat her.
Lockheed.... He probably went to take care of his business on his own without those useless X-Freaks. OR, he's sneaking off to grab the Messiah baby from Cable.
He still left a pretty serious dangler about just when and why exactly Lockheed turned traitor.

[frog]

Cassandra Nova was not just dropped. She didn't make it into Armor's "brains" because there wasn't enough room in there. And Emma stopped her.

Emma made a deal with Danger and welshed on it. Big surprise. Did we need a page for that? What's Danger going to do about it? Kill someone? No. Move on.

Lockheed.... He probably went to take care of his business on his own without those useless X-Freaks. OR, he's sneaking off to grab the Messiah baby from Cable.

I'm not even sure there ever was Cassandra Nova - I'd like to know for sure.

Danger could be going to Tony Stark and telling all she knows right now.

Maybe Lockheed will save Kitty. Or elope with Brand's pet psychic alien.

[darknessatnoon]

You forgot Danger whispering something so important to Emma that she gave up let Danger defeat her.


OOOOOOHHHH Way back when?

Yeah! I thought that became clear in the next arc. When Danger told her "I know" and Emma de-Diamonded, it meant that Danger KNEW she was working for Cassandra and would out Emma to Scott and the cannon fodder. So, Emma went human and let herself get knocked out.

Was there a later whisper after Torn?

[Beast]

I'm not even sure there ever was Cassandra Nova - I'd like to know for sure.

Danger could be going to Tony Stark and telling all she knows right now.

Maybe Lockheed will save Kitty. Or elope with Brand's pet psychic alien.
Someone who cares, like Carey, needs to clean up the Cassandra Nova danglers.

As for Danger, I don't care if we ever see her again. But the secret between her and Emma is important.

Maybe Lockheed and Brand's pet psychic alien can double date with Hank and Brand.

[darknessatnoon]

Someone who cares, like Carey, needs to clean up the Cassandra Nova danglers.

As for Danger, I don't care if we ever see her again. But the secret between her and Emma is important.

Maybe Lockheed and Brand's pet psychic alien can double date with Hank and Brand.

Carey is now forbidden to touch Cassie after he took off her pith helmet and shaved off her mustache and had her call Charles "sweetie." NO WAY. Ellis can deal with it.

[Beast]

OOOOOOHHHH Way back when?

Yeah! I thought that became clear in the next arc. When Danger told her "I know" and Emma de-Diamonded, it meant that Danger KNEW she was working for Cassandra and would out Emma to Scott and the cannon fodder. So, Emma went human and let herself get knocked out.

Was there a later whisper after Torn?
It doesn't really fit the Cassandra Nova thing.

Since Cassandra Nova wanted the X-Men dead as much as Danger did.

It certainly wouldn't cause Emma to give up, un-diamoned, and let Danger punk her.

[timbox]

Brand is awesome!

"I never get gang-raped on a first date!"

"I am so hot for you right now I could frikkin' pass out."

[Beast]

Just thought of another huge dangler. What about Tilde from the Gifted storyarc.

[Omega Alpha]

Good ending overall, apart from the ridiculous "heroes drooling" thing.