X-Men: Legacy #212 Spoilers & Discussion

[AstonishingXMan]

X-Men: Legacy #212

Gambit and Xavier fight a bunch of hired assassins who are trying kill ol' Chuck. Gambit says he heard about the hit from snoopin' around the Thieves Guild. There's a hit list. Shaw. Xavier. Juggernaut. Ryking. Xavier can't recall who Gambit is. He starts to remember back in the 90's when the team (with Marrow on it) is scolded by Xavier, with Cyclops surprised that Xavier calls them disappointing. I think this was right before the Onslaught reveal? Everyone leaves the room, except Gambit, drawn Kubert-esque (!), who says Xavier is bluffing, and wonders how Xavier would do on his own without the team, all alone. End flashback.

We're back to the present day. Xavier and Gambit go to visit Ryking, who, SHOCK, is dead. Shaw sees the two of them and ditches out on an appointment to snoop on them.

Gambit & Xavier drive in the desert. Xavier says everyone on the list BUT Shaw had a father that worked at a nuclear facility. So they're headed there. Xavier has flashbacks of his mom being brutally beaten by Juggernaut's dad as he and Cain watched. Gambit and Xavier bond and talk about things. Xavier thinks Sinister ran the facility that the three fathers worked at.

Xavier drifts into his memories, and it's a drill sarge bullying his troops into combat. The sarge is Xavier, and he leads several troops (Banshee, Jean, Thunderbird) to death. The assassins from before have been tracking Gambit and Xavier. Gambit gets overwhelmed and taken out.

Xavier, alone, starts remembering...

And it's 1990's look (classic) Mr. Sinister standing over home with a scalpel at some facility. "Good boy. We're almost done."
________

Thoughts:

The Professor Xavier maxi-series continues. Awesome to see Gambit kick ass with an interesting chat between Gambit and Xavier, two characters who never got to fully bond during the X-Men's big run at the top of the comic world in the 90's.

A slow story, to be sure, but the art was decent, and Carey writes well. I give it a B.

[Canemacar]

Shaw was also talking about an energy field he and the HF club have been monitering(probably what wrecked the Chronos machine last issue) that pulses every 23 hours, with a death occuring at each pulse(Carter being the most recent).

[Anna]

Good stuff this.

[Naela]

What are people's thoughts on that conversation Xavier had with his doppleganger?

"At the moment I'm nobody. An echo. A seed. A potentiality. But I'll be so much more." That's quite a chilling delivery. Seems like this wraith has some sort of connection to Chronus. There's also shades of Onslaught here.

[Pro]

Anyone else think maybe they're going to redeem Charles by blaming his worst qualities on Sinister's manipulations ..?

Sounds good either way they're going. Hadn't expected Legacy to be one of the books i'd buy after MC but i'm enjoying it so far.

[worstblogever]

X-Men: Legacy #212

Xavier can't recall who Gambit is. He starts to remember back in the 90's when the team (with Marrow on it) is scolded by Xavier, with Cyclops surprised that Xavier calls them disappointing. I think this was right before the Onslaught reveal? Everyone leaves the room, except Gambit, drawn Kubert-esque (!), who says Xavier is bluffing, and wonders how Xavier would do on his own without the team, all alone. End flashback.


Close. I can't give a specific issue number to this, but the key to placing that image would seemingly be the telltale presence of Marrow, all right. It has to happen sometime
after "Onslaught", since she only first even teamed up with Iceman during that crossover. Uncanny X-Men #346-347 saw her defending Callisto, and X-Men (vol. 2) #67-69 was when she was with Iceman during his confrontation with Bastion himself. She was invited to return to the mansion with Cecilia Reyes by Bobby in X-Men (vol. 2) #70, when the mansion was still gutted empty by Operation: Zero Tolerance but still would be "on the fence" for a bit between tending to Callisto's wounds, and her little "sparring" session with Wolverine where she sucker-punched a bone claw through his throat. Her official "join" date of the X-Men was X-Men (vol. 2) #75 , according to her spotlight profile at www.uncannyxmen.net, which would be the issue where they stumble across a N'gari cairn...

The catch is, while Marrow was at the mansion, Xavier was "lost" and incarcerated for awhile. They don't return him home until the end of "Hunt for Xavier" in X-Men (vol. 2) #84. Now, Colossus is in that shot... and he injects himself with the Legacy Virus not long after...[/I] it's got to be in that window...

A similar confrontation between Gambit and Xavier happens in Uncanny X-Men #372... but Jean and Scott aren't in that issue. Everything else leads in to "The Twelve"... which kind of takes Cyke out of the picture to make this possible.

GOT IT! This flashback takes place in X-Men (vol. 2) #92! Damn... that one was a pain to hunt down...

[Hi-Fi]

That scene happens during The Shattering, when Xavier disbands the X-Men, a little before The Twelve.

[Leirus]

That scene happens during The Shattering, when Xavier disbands the X-Men, a little before The Twelve.

Yep... and in fact, Xavier was acting in that issue, to disband temporary the X-men and find the Skrull, so It is an use a bit tricky of those panels

[fitditz]

I dunno. Overall, pretty disappointed with this issue. Somehow it doesn't feel like X-Men. I'm still not feeling Legacy :frown:

[Jeff-X]

What are people's thoughts on that conversation Xavier had with his doppleganger?

"At the moment I'm nobody. An echo. A seed. A potentiality. But I'll be so much more." That's quite a chilling delivery. Seems like this wraith has some sort of connection to Chronus. There's also shades of Onslaught here.

An issue or two ago Xavier left Omega Sentinel wondering how he defeated Exodus when he was about to lose. Xavier was glowing in rainbow colors at that point in the psychic battle. Off the top of my head, I only remember seeing a rainbow energy signature come from two people, Synch, which has nothing to do with this story... and of course; Onslaught...

At this point, I'm having a hard time considering this not to be intentional, especially when Xavier didn't seem to want to explain how he defeated Exodus.

[Omega Alpha]

Anyone else think maybe they're going to redeem Charles by blaming his worst qualities on Sinister's manipulations ..?


This would be ridiculous. But I have better faith than that in Carey.

And this was a significant improvement from last issue, probably due to Xavier not being alone in it. Gambit was very fun.

[Porcelain]

This would be ridiculous. But I have better faith than that in Carey.
Hope so.

Does seem to be quite a bit of (red herring?) Onslaught foreshadowing though, especially given how much of a cont' nut Carey is. Flipping awful the first time around, but if anyone was going to play on it I guess Carey would be best.

[Pro]

This would be ridiculous.

Not sure what's so ridiculous about it. It was established long before that Irene Adler, Sinister, Kurt Marko and Brian Xavier were doing something at the dawn of mutantkind. It would be ridiculous to assume they did nothing with Charles, even if it was only putting in psychic blocks preventing the world's most powerfull telepath from picking up their secrets.

And of the group we already knew were in this together Sinister would be the most likely choice to mess with Charles' head and powers since that's what the guy gets off on. Ask Cyclops.

I doubt they're going to simplify Charles' redemption and turn him into a saint by blaming all his bad choices on Sinister but ridiculous? Hardly.

[Omega Alpha]

Yes, it would be ridiculous. The "blame it all on the bad guy so everything can go back to status quo" tactic. That was exactly what was done with Onslaught.

[Nyssane]

I wonder who the mercenary guy was, if he was pre-existing or a brand new character. In my dreams, it's Ruckus and the other men are the Nasty Boys.

[booga]

so did remy bone charles :/

[ExodusCloak]

I wonder who the mercenary guy was, if he was pre-existing or a brand new character. In my dreams, it's Ruckus and the other men are the Nasty Boys.

Aren't they part of the Assassin's Guild. One of Gambits connections unfortunately.

[lockerogue]

I wonder who the mercenary guy was, if he was pre-existing or a brand new character. In my dreams, it's Ruckus and the other men are the Nasty Boys.

You love you some Nasty Boys dontcha.

[Nyssane]

Aren't they part of the Assassin's Guild. One of Gambits connections unfortunately.

I dinnae, they didn't seem to know Gambit during their first encounter with him.

You love you some Nasty Boys dontcha.

Hellz to the yizzeah!

[Old No.7]

This was ok...I mean in a week where we have GS Astonishing X-Men, X-Force, Uncanny and New Avengers this really seems to have gotten lost in my pile. I really don't care about Xavier's past, not at all. I enjoyed seeing Gambit though, I like Carey's Gambit. The end was bleh to me. Art was georgous though, loved the flashbacks/hallucinations.

[JKMD]

Talk about a slow moving title! And for some reason, I really love it. I'm really interested in seeing where Shaw ties into the whole Alamogordo/Sinister story. And the return of Gambit throwing out random Creole without being completely unintelligible is welcome by me.

Of course, this whole issue could have been a steaming pile of crap and I still would have been happy seeing the Marrow-era X-Men flashback. I LOVE that team.

Hey! Just looking at the flashback scene as I'm typing and noticed something. Anyone else see the framed picture of Rachel in her Hound getup behind Gambit's shoulder on the top of page 5? Pretty cool. (There are also some other pictures -- right next to Rachel and on the preceding page -- but I can't make out who is in them. Anyone else can?)

[Toboe]

I was about to give up on this book as I don't really care about Xavier at all...

But I love Carey's Gambit, I really enjoyed having him around this issue. So I'll have to stick around for a while, especially if Rogue is coming along as well sometime soon.

[Fionnuala]

I'm beginning to wonder if Rogue's story has been pushed back to allow for the decompressing of this and the last arc. Because... Professor Xavier leaving his bedroom and heading for the desert cannot be explained in enough detail? Maybe there's someone out there dying for it.

This issue and the last could have been lumped together and it would've been fine. In fact, it probably would have been a much more exciting issue than the last two put together.

Which is not to say it's bad- it's not. It's just far. too. slow. And I don't think it's going to change pace for the foreseeable future.

Also, getting guys like Deodato on the flashback art just highlight how mediocre, flavourless and diet-Hitch like Scott Eaton's art is. He has nothing to offer the title, and it's a mystery to me how he ended up in the company of Cassady and Choi.

Flashback!Gambit was hot, though.

[Red Lotus]

So I guess Shaw is going to be Xavier other bodyguard

Anyone else think maybe they're going to redeem Charles by blaming his worst qualities on Sinister's manipulations ..?.

I hope not. I dont want them to go back and say Xavier isn't bad it was Sinister.

[Pro]

Yes, it would be ridiculous. The "blame it all on the bad guy so everything can go back to status quo" tactic. That was exactly what was done with Onslaught.

Strange. I thought Onslaught was that story about Charles' dirty laundry turning him into a bad guy who damn near destroyed New York.

[brundlefly]

Strange. I thought Onslaught was that story about Charles' dirty laundry turning him into a bad guy who damn near destroyed New York.

True, it should have been that way. But the nightmarish duo of Lobdell and Harras changed Waid's initial Onslaught idea and made it Magneto's "evil essence" that "corrupted" Xavier and hence created Onslaught, absolving Chuck of blame. :rolleyes: (God, I am so glad neither of those two are affiliated with the X-books or Marvel anymore.) That's why I'm hoping we don't get a redux of that kind of scapegoating here, except with Essex being blamed for Xavier's misdeeds as opposed to Mags. But I don't think that's the direction Carey's going, though. And I'm hoping that the "wheelchair general" might be one of Sinister's pre-preprogrammed failsafes as opposed to the return of Onslaught.

[jmc247]

True, it should have been that way. But the nightmarish duo of Lobdell and Harras changed Waid's initial Onslaught idea and made it Magneto's "evil essence" that "corrupted" Xavier and hence created Onslaught, absolving Chuck of blame. :rolleyes: (God, I am so glad neither of those two are affiliated with the X-books or Marvel anymore.)

Well in Onslaught Reborn they refered to Onslaught as a amalgamation of all Xavier and Magneto's negative thoughts and emotions.

[Pro]

Well in Onslaught Reborn they refered to Onslaught as a amalgamation of all Xavier and Magneto's negative thoughts and emotions.

Indeed, it was hardly like it was all magneto's fault all of a sudden. I thought they made it pretty clear it was just the final touch that pushed Charles over the edge.
All the locked down engative emotions onslaught showed Jean were not Magneto's. They were all Charles'. Onslaught primarily happened due to Charles supressing his negative emotions until they literally took shape. Charles wiping Magneto's mind and inadvertently absorbing Magneto's negative emotions was just the trigger to unleash them (and obviously made things a little worse).
Onslaught wouldn't have happened if not for Charles' refusal to deal with his own dark thoughts.

[deadpool2008]

I dunno. Overall, pretty disappointed with this issue. Somehow it doesn't feel like X-Men. I'm still not feeling Legacy :frown:

I agree...now I have just started getting back into comics, so maybe that is why I didn't enjoy as much as others. Its just has a weird feel to me. I will of course by the next issue though :) and see where it takes me.

[rZi]

I am so tired of Legacy now

I have no desire to revist past moments every issue and i certainly don't care about Xavier at all under Mike Carey.

[_Jayme_]

I am so tired of Legacy now

I have no desire to revist past moments every issue and i certainly don't care about Xavier at all under Mike Carey.

This issue didn't revisit past issues as much as previous issues. It wasn't all that bad but the colorist is awful..seriously.

Can someone tell me what issue Cyclops & the X-Men left Xavier as shown in the flashback? I wanna look into that.

[worstblogever]

This issue didn't revisit past issues as much as previous issues. It wasn't all that bad but the colorist is awful..seriously.

Can someone tell me what issue Cyclops & the X-Men left Xavier as shown in the flashback? I wanna look into that.

And your answer?

The key to placing that image would seemingly be the telltale presence of Marrow, all right. It has to happen sometime
after "Onslaught", since she only first even teamed up with Iceman during that crossover. Uncanny X-Men #346-347 saw her defending Callisto, and X-Men (vol. 2) #67-69 was when she was with Iceman during his confrontation with Bastion himself. She was invited to return to the mansion with Cecilia Reyes by Bobby in X-Men (vol. 2) #70, when the mansion was still gutted empty by Operation: Zero Tolerance but still would be "on the fence" for a bit between tending to Callisto's wounds, and her little "sparring" session with Wolverine where she sucker-punched a bone claw through his throat. Her official "join" date of the X-Men was X-Men (vol. 2) #75 , according to her spotlight profile at www.uncannyxmen.net, which would be the issue where they stumble across a N'gari cairn...

The catch is, while Marrow was at the mansion, Xavier was "lost" and incarcerated for awhile. They don't return him home until the end of "Hunt for Xavier" in X-Men (vol. 2) #84. Now, Colossus is in that shot... and he injects himself with the Legacy Virus not long after...[/I] it's got to be in that window...

A similar confrontation between Gambit and Xavier happens in Uncanny X-Men #372... but Jean and Scott aren't in that issue. Everything else leads in to "The Twelve"... which kind of takes Cyke out of the picture to make this possible.

GOT IT! This flashback takes place in X-Men (vol. 2) #92! Damn... that one was a pain to hunt down...

[_Jayme_]

And your answer?

I <3 you. If you posted it earlier, sorry :tongue: I didn't catch it but yeah, I loved that panel.

[For the Good of X]

While I love what Carey's doing on Legacy...this was a slow issue. Eaton's art is growing on me, esp. with the Hennessey inks, which are superior and slicker than Dell's.

The wheelchair Xavier could be a Sinister failsafe, a hint of Onslaught, the Shadow King, who knows.


Presumably the final installment of this Sins of the Father tale will reveal Sinister's role in the past, and propel Xavier forward into what's going to happen next, perhaps involving the Hellfire Club, Shaw, etc.

[Jack Flash]

This was almost as dull as the "Extinction Agenda" crap. Remy and Baldy, talking about crap past stuff while on the road and making smores, does not make a compelling read for me.

[worstblogever]

I refuse to judge this story until it's complete. The Alamogordo connection to Sinister intrigues me, as does Shaw's line in Endangered Species about how all they ever did as the saviors of their race was fight amongst themselves.

Shaw's a wild card in this as much as Gambit (as one of Sinister's lackeys, albeit a reluctant one) and how Juggernaut plays into this when he resurfaces well...

People keep complaining not enough's happening and it's too many flashbacks. Well, maybe so. But you're telling me seeing Xavier, Gambit, Shaw, and Juggernaut all coming from different directions to confront a decades old conspiracy by Mr. Sinister doesn't pique your interest at all?

I dub you all jaded. BAH!

[The_Bubblie]

I've really been enjoying Legacy. All of it. I don't care if a book is moving fast, slow, has lots of actions, or has very little action. To me a good story is just a good story. Regardless of how it unfolded. Do you really want every comic book story to progress and unfold the exact same way? I would find it amusing but I would also become bored.

I also really enjoy mysteries. The Usual Suspects and L.A. Confidential are some of my favorite movies. To me at least, Legacy seems more like a mystery book. Maybe it won't stay that way but right now I believe it is.

I don't even consider Xavier in my top 10 of favorite comic characters but I look forward to Legacy every time the next issue comes out.

[Pro]

Agreed, didn't expect to like the book but it kinda drew me in and with reveals about alamagordo and the dawning days of mutantkind it has me hooked. Always been interested in what they were doing back in those days and how Charles was involved. Milbury being Sinister has been foreshadowed for ages, glad they're finally fleshing out that storyline.

Was it ever told how Brian Xavier died? Because it sounded like he was gotten rid of so Kurt Marko and Charles' mom were put together. Also quite curious about how Sinister affected Cain Marko. They seem to imply they did something to him as well back in the days even though as far as we know he didn't have the x-gene. I'm guessing though that Kurt Marko did have a latent x-gene.

It seemed in a previous issue that Cain was convinced someone was trying to get through his psychic barriers but it also seems intimately connected to the chronus thing that killed Carter.

There was also an indication that the four scientists were on the verge of discovering a way to become immortal, perhaps by replicating the process that turned Sinister "immortal" or by using mutant genes somehow to gain immortality.

"It might not be Charlie or Cain. It could be any of them".

"If it works for him it'll work for us and then dying is something that happens to other shmucks".

Well clearly it wasn't Ryker since he's dead as a doornail.

The issue's ending seems to imply somehow Charles was the key:"Good boy. We're almost done".

Could Kurt Marko still be alive, could he be the old man we see a glimpse of?
It would certainly turn out to be a shocking adversary for Charles, the man who repeatedly beat up his mother and willingly subjected his son and stepson to medical experiments to gain immortality.

[PaStella]

Legacy has managed to differentiate itself as a book. I think that it is not the best book for those seeking action, but certainly is gonna solve some mysteries and give answers.
I only hope that Carey will give us a decent story, not over-exaggerating, when it comes to past stories. I have some small fear for Gambit's past, how he is gonna explore it (if he explores it at all), but so far Carey has proven that he does research on his characters.

Eaton's art is suitable for Legacy. I would like to see an issue by Raimondi as well, but generally i am satisfied.

Can't wait for next issue.

[greenshoes713]

I'm beginning to wonder if Rogue's story has been pushed back to allow for the decompressing of this and the last arc. Because... Professor Xavier leaving his bedroom and heading for the desert cannot be explained in enough detail? Maybe there's someone out there dying for it.

This issue and the last could have been lumped together and it would've been fine. In fact, it probably would have been a much more exciting issue than the last two put together.

Which is not to say it's bad- it's not. It's just far. too. slow. And I don't think it's going to change pace for the foreseeable future.

Also, getting guys like Deodato on the flashback art just highlight how mediocre, flavourless and diet-Hitch like Scott Eaton's art is. He has nothing to offer the title, and it's a mystery to me how he ended up in the company of Cassady and Choi.

Flashback!Gambit was hot, though.

I think Eaton's art is beautiful

[pariah-1972]

I really really really really really really love this artwork.
:redface:

[pariah-1972]

Quick question .. isn't Gambits mind unreadable by telepaths?
i could have swore it was..

Sorry if this has already been covered.

[greenshoes713]

whoops missposted

[Hakael]

Quick question .. isn't Gambits mind unreadable by telepaths?
i could have swore it was..

Sorry if this has already been covered.

Not unreadable, just harder than most.

[Josef F.]

Not unreadable, just harder than most.

It was originally unreadable, due to it priducing a constant kinetic charge.
Then we had the burn out.
Then Xtreme.
Who knows.

[Flâneur]

What do people think of this title compared to Genoshan Excalibur?

[worstblogever]

What do people think of this title compared to Genoshan Excalibur?

It has a direction from the start, and seems determined to follow it and therefore is far superior.

Genosha Ex had started with the premise of the big 2 movers and shakers in the mutant movement working together to rebuild Genosha... then it got lost in finding all sorts of crap on the island like tentacle Callisto, Dark Beast, Sugar Man, and the like. By the time that was over... well... they hadn't done much for the country and 12 issues had gone by. Most of the new cast introduced in the first few issues was interesting, but quickly underutilized. Wicked, Hub, Shola, and the rest deserved better than becoming wallpaper to Book and Broadband and some of the other random characters featured towards the end of its run.

Legacy, meanwhile, has used existing characters and continuity, in both the flashbacks, and present, to start off in arc 1 where Xavier is getting his head together, and arc 2, as he continues to do so, he explores a forgotten past that ties in to Mr. Sinister. In that time, we've had Xavier working with Magneto & Karima vs. Exodus, Frenzy, and the rest of the Acolytes in arc 1, and arc 2 has had Gambit & Xavier meeting with Hazard with Sebastian Shaw and Juggernaut lurking in the background because of a decades old link to Nathan Milbury aka Mr. Sinister.

Really, ask me again when we're at 13 issues of Legacy to judge, since it'll have the same volume. But right now? Legacy for me, hands down.

(note: book comparison, not creator comparison)

[pariah-1972]

Close. I can't give a specific issue number to this, but the key to placing that image would seemingly be the telltale presence of Marrow, all right. It has to happen sometime
after "Onslaught", since she only first even teamed up with Iceman during that crossover. Uncanny X-Men #346-347 saw her defending Callisto, and X-Men (vol. 2) #67-69 was when she was with Iceman during his confrontation with Bastion himself. She was invited to return to the mansion with Cecilia Reyes by Bobby in X-Men (vol. 2) #70, when the mansion was still gutted empty by Operation: Zero Tolerance but still would be "on the fence" for a bit between tending to Callisto's wounds, and her little "sparring" session with Wolverine where she sucker-punched a bone claw through his throat. Her official "join" date of the X-Men was X-Men (vol. 2) #75 , according to her spotlight profile at www.uncannyxmen.net, which would be the issue where they stumble across a N'gari cairn...

The catch is, while Marrow was at the mansion, Xavier was "lost" and incarcerated for awhile. They don't return him home until the end of "Hunt for Xavier" in X-Men (vol. 2) #84. Now, Colossus is in that shot... and he injects himself with the Legacy Virus not long after...[/I] it's got to be in that window...

A similar confrontation between Gambit and Xavier happens in Uncanny X-Men #372... but Jean and Scott aren't in that issue. Everything else leads in to "The Twelve"... which kind of takes Cyke out of the picture to make this possible.

GOT IT! This flashback takes place in X-Men (vol. 2) #92! Damn... that one was a pain to hunt down...Way to research worstblogever !
i thought it was pre- onslaught just from the way Xavier is acting myself.

[Anna]

What do people think of this title compared to Genoshan Excalibur?

I loved that title, and would rather it had continued rather than "New Excalibur". I say to the haters; Keep reading, because I'm sure Mike's got a pretty big payoff in the works.

[pariah-1972]

I liked Genoshan Excalibur even if it didn't lead anywhere it was supposed to.

And it did give us Karima who i think is pretty damn cool.

[metalgorgomon]

X-Men Legacy was supposed to a max series centered at Prof Xavier, and now I know why.. Perhaps many people assumed that they're gonna get a conventional X-Men (team book) story,due to it's title. Moreover, the numbering is a continuation from the Adjectiveless.

Nevertheless, it's quite surprising that I like this book. Every issue seems to be closer to a big revealation. And I agree with a poster that this book sounds like a mystery book. It's very different from the other X-book.

Love the interraction between Xavier and Remy in this issue. Remy looked very sexy! The flashback kinda had the similar situation with the outcome of Messiah Complex (disbandment of X-Men).

Looking forward for the next issue...

[Dr Ray Palmer]

When the #%&! are we going to see Rogue again? Considering how Mike Carey talked so much at the beginning of his run about how much he loves Rogue and what big plans he had for her, and how awesome she was in his first arc or two, we sure haven't seen her do a bloody thing in the past year. GRR.

Otherwise, I thought this issue was pretty good considering it was all about Xavier and Gambit, two characters I have practically zero interest in. It's a testament to Carey's skill as a writer that he can make me enjoy an issue about these two.

The art was OK, but I don't like the coloring. Everything is so dark and murky. This seems to be the new norm for the coloring on most of the X-books, but I don't like it.

[La Fea]

What do people think of this title compared to Genoshan Excalibur?

Legacy is far superior, but Genoshan Excalibur had me investing more interest early on because of my curiosity about Wicked.

[Nite-Wing]

Legacy continues to be my favorite X-book :biggrin: . I loved the art and Flashbacks with Xavier and the X-men. Also this issue makes me want to see cyclops in his classic costume again. Plus more hellfire club and Shaw is always good.

[_Jayme_]

When the #%&! are we going to see Rogue again? Considering how Mike Carey talked so much at the beginning of his run about how much he loves Rogue and what big plans he had for her, and how awesome she was in his first arc or two, we sure haven't seen her do a bloody thing in the past year. GRR.

For real now? Did you not read Carey's X-Men? She was the core character in that book. Carey has a fetish for Rogue..it's pretty obvious..

I do look forward to when he uses her in Legacy though. I'd say it'll be after the current story.

[La Fea]

For real now? Did you not read Carey's X-Men? She was the core character in that book. Carey has a fetish for Rogue..it's pretty obvious..

I do look forward to when he uses her in Legacy though. I'd say it'll be after the current story.

She was at the forefront in Supernovas but after that she was only the core character in theory because they kept having to save her from something or the other.

[marco19]

supposedly rogue has another interlude , epilogue few pages in either 213 or 214, but her arc doesnt start until i think 219 right after the wolverine crossover issues where she is front and center

[frog]

Close. I can't give a specific issue number to this, but the key to placing that image would seemingly be the telltale presence of Marrow, all right. It has to happen sometime
after "Onslaught", since she only first even teamed up with Iceman during that crossover. Uncanny X-Men #346-347 saw her defending Callisto, and X-Men (vol. 2) #67-69 was when she was with Iceman during his confrontation with Bastion himself. She was invited to return to the mansion with Cecilia Reyes by Bobby in X-Men (vol. 2) #70, when the mansion was still gutted empty by Operation: Zero Tolerance but still would be "on the fence" for a bit between tending to Callisto's wounds, and her little "sparring" session with Wolverine where she sucker-punched a bone claw through his throat. Her official "join" date of the X-Men was X-Men (vol. 2) #75 , according to her spotlight profile at www.uncannyxmen.net, which would be the issue where they stumble across a N'gari cairn...

The catch is, while Marrow was at the mansion, Xavier was "lost" and incarcerated for awhile. They don't return him home until the end of "Hunt for Xavier" in X-Men (vol. 2) #84. Now, Colossus is in that shot... and he injects himself with the Legacy Virus not long after...[/I] it's got to be in that window...

A similar confrontation between Gambit and Xavier happens in Uncanny X-Men #372... but Jean and Scott aren't in that issue. Everything else leads in to "The Twelve"... which kind of takes Cyke out of the picture to make this possible.

GOT IT! This flashback takes place in X-Men (vol. 2) #92! Damn... that one was a pain to hunt down...

Taken from MikeCarey.Net:

Othergrunty: A small personal highlight for me in this issue was Marrows small cameo. Its only two pannels, its only in a flashback and we don't see her face. But it still the first time she appeared in this book (since having adjl. X-mens numbers it still counts as it in some way) since 8 years.
Kind of funny, someone on the CBR forum found out when that flashback took place, by using her as an indicator.

Mike Carey: Othergrunty - Yeah, I read that post at CBR. Very impressive detective work! When these arcs are collected, I'm hoping Nick will allow me to put in some annotations explaining where all the scenes come from and why I chose them.

:biggrin:

[La Fea]

OMG!!!! Mike likes Marrow??????????????

Does he also like Adam Pollina and want to pass it on????

[Hi-Fi]

supposedly rogue has another interlude , epilogue few pages in either 213 or 214, but her arc doesnt start until i think 219 right after the wolverine crossover issues where she is front and center
Rogue will appear next in #215. After that, her arc starts in #219.

I liked this issue a lot.

And Oh, s#@%! I like Gambit again.

[timbox]

Hmmm, the trades sure would be interesting if it had lots of extra info like that. Maybe Carey will just copy/paste WBE's posts into the back of the book.


Does he also like Adam Pollina and want to pass it on????

<3

[frog]

Hmmm, the trades sure would be interesting if it had lots of extra info like that. Maybe Carey will just copy/paste WBE's posts into the back of the book.
<3

I love it when the trades include information about the creative processes such as the thoughts of the writers and character sketches that the artists do. I especially like to see the written script for the comic to compare how the writer's intent for the way a panel should come across actually worked in execution.

It also makes me feel a little better about paying again for something I already have in loose copies.

[worstblogever]

Taken from MikeCarey.Net:

Othergrunty: A small personal highlight for me in this issue was Marrows small cameo. Its only two pannels, its only in a flashback and we don't see her face. But it still the first time she appeared in this book (since having adjl. X-mens numbers it still counts as it in some way) since 8 years.
Kind of funny, someone on the CBR forum found out when that flashback took place, by using her as an indicator.

Mike Carey: Othergrunty - Yeah, I read that post at CBR. Very impressive detective work! When these arcs are collected, I'm hoping Nick will allow me to put in some annotations explaining where all the scenes come from and why I chose them.

:biggrin:


Mike Carey can totally hire me for research or detective work. I work cheap, too. But I have to wear a fedora, like all the old noir detectives did. :smile: I'm flattered that impressed him. Good times.

[Dr Ray Palmer]

She was at the forefront in Supernovas but after that she was only the core character in theory because they kept having to save her from something or the other.

Yeah, I like my core characters to be a little more proactive and a little less unconscious than Rogue was for the last half of Carey's run. :wink: She was awesome in Supernovas, though, which made it all the more disappointing when he incapacitated her for the next 98 issues.

[Canemacar]

Even when she was captured or unconscious, she was still very much a focus of Carey's stories.