Have you watched Zeitgeist?

[kimsonsolutions]

I suppose some of you have heard abou this "film" or documentary or whatever you call it

cut in 3 parts , the first one explaining the origine ofr the catholic religion , the second one about the 11 september (not as interessant and complete as loose change but add some "new" informations) and the third part about the world war manipulation

this is a very well made , documented movie , and oyu can believe it or not this is still worth the view ( in my opinion the religious part is the most interessant part of the whole film)

to watch , download (legally for free) and get information about he film have a look on :

"www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" & "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist"

hope you'll enjoy it and it'll blow your brain out :mrgreen:

[The Xenos]

It's an atheistic, prejudiced, conspiracy mess. I've seen bits of it and read summaries of the rest.

The first part about the Christ Myth is nothing new. Hell, I know the mythology of Christianity isn't all new. I still believe in it. I believe it has something to do with the collective unconscious, echoes rippling through time. Christianity is the one I put my faith in. Though I don't do it blindly. I find it insulting that this film says religion is automatically without logic and reason. That's propaganda equal to some of the stuff ignorant religions pass out. I like theology, the study of religion. I like religion like I like science. I gives me something to think about. One is a top down view while the other is a bottom up view. Neither is inherently without logic. It's just that many use it and don't think about it.

As for conspiracies about 9/11, this one's bullcrap. I'll give the possibility that certain people within the government allowed 9/11 to happen to fuel a global war on terror and the planned invasion of Afganistan, Iraq, and Iran. Those in the Bush Administration planned and suggested this even when Clinton was in office. (There is an amazing PBS Frontline episode about this. People in the administration say this themselves.)

Yet the idea that there were demolitions in the towers is complete bunk. Why waste money on that and risk something going wrong when the simplest thing to do is let a bunch of fanatics hijack a plane and do the work for you. To me, that's a much better conspiracy theory itself. The demolitions idea is total crap. Any conspiracy supported by Charlie Sheen is likley full of crap. Even if you want a conspiracy in 9/11, there are much better ones out there.

Meanwhile, there's a neat comic series from Vertigo that touches on a number of these ideas. It's called Testament. Very interesting and much more intelligent than what is rolled out here.

[SnowTrooper]

I've seen Zeitgeist and I thought it was a very interesting and entertaining documentary. It will make you think and re-examine things about religion and government, whether or not you believe its true or false.

I heard about it from a friend at school, and have gotten around 5-6 people to watch it too. They all seemed to think it was interesting as well.

Im not a fan of religion at all so the first part amused me alot. The second and third parts were very gripping, especially the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

[hugh45]

Why I keep thinking Woody Allen made this?

[The Xenos]

See, dammit, now I really want to see Woddy Allen make a comedy about 9/11 conspiracies. Thanks. :p

[kimsonsolutions]

It's an atheistic, prejudiced, conspiracy mess. I've seen bits of it and read summaries of the rest.

The first part about the Christ Myth is nothing new. Hell, I know the mythology of Christianity isn't all new. I still believe in it. I believe it has something to do with the collective unconscious, echoes rippling through time. Christianity is the one I put my faith in. Though I don't do it blindly. I find it insulting that this film says . That's propaganda equal to some of the stuff ignorant religions pass out. I like theology, the study of religion. I like religion like I like science. I gives me something to think about. One is a top down view while the other is a bottom up view. Neither is inherently without logic. It's just that many use it and don't think about it.



i don't see when does the film say that religion is automatically without logic and reason ????

i you like theology all the religion part of the film is based on the study of religion, it tries to explain where does the christian religion come from , by replacing it on a much longer time period and by crossing informations from other religions , books etc ...

and no it's nothing new but i think it's not enough known and really interessant . after you can choose to believe (or choose to ignore ) it's everyone rights

but i must admit that the transition between the religious part and the 9/11 part is quite shoking (but not complitly wrong)

[Pro]

Neither is inherently without logic.

Faith inherently IS without logic and reason. That's the whole point of faith. Otherwise faith would be fact and belief would have no value. Faith does not stand fall with the finding of facts, it does not let itself be quantified through logical deduction or measuring. Faith is entirely and utterly devoid of logic.

What you're talking about is the application of reason and logic to justify why your belief system is supposedly correct. I'd say that in 99,9% of the cases where someone is using reason and logic to justify his own faith is essentially just trying to proof someone else wrong, either out of desperation to be right or out of a desire to get the upper hand on someone else.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

the anti religious tone of the filmed turned me off from checking it out. hell they could have made a conspiracy documentary WITHOUT bashing religion. all that did was hurt their cause. whatever that may be.

[kimsonsolutions]

the anti religious tone of the filmed turned me off from checking it out. hell they could have made a conspiracy documentary WITHOUT bashing religion. all that did was hurt their cause. whatever that may be.

i agree that the first part is not well thought as it seems to keep a lot of people away from watching , but i can assure that the first part about religion is really serious and in no-way anti-religious

it tries to explain where does the religion's attributes come from through scientific facts and crossings with other religion's attributes

it's defintly worth the view but this is the problem when you try to speack about religion : a lot of people will be shocked very fast or won't even want to hear or speack about it