Supergirl & Powergirl: Not So Hard Traveling Heroes

[WorstThingUS]

With all the talk about the disappointment of Supergirl's latest incarnation and Power Girl's upcoming series has anyone wondered just why these two don't spend more time together or haven't been shown to spend much time together (we're trying to forget the horrible memory of the Kandor story which may have been retconned away at this point)? After all, if your older cousin is proving to be a big daddy type stiff, wouldn't you gravitate to someone who is essentially you but obviously a bit more fun? If the Kandor storyline is still character-destroying canon (Ultraman is ruling Kandor while pretending to Superman and neither Supergirl nor Power Girl feel any obligation to tell Superman---and then there's that part when Supergirl and Ultraman makeout, ew), it'd make sense Kara Zor-El would avoid Kara Zor-L, but if it's gone, this is would be a storyline that I'd like to see. I mean, it's gotta be more interesting that Superman showing up in every issue, right? Even as a Superman fan I don't wanna see that.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

With all the talk about the disappointment of Supergirl's latest incarnation and Power Girl's upcoming series has anyone wondered just why these two don't spend more time together or haven't been shown to spend much time together (we're trying to forget the horrible memory of the Kandor story which may have been retconned away at this point)? After all, if your older cousin is proving to be a big daddy type stiff, wouldn't you gravitate to someone who is essentially you but obviously a bit more fun? If the Kandor storyline is still character-destroying canon (Ultraman is ruling Kandor while pretending to Superman and neither Supergirl nor Power Girl feel any obligation to tell Superman---and then there's that part when Supergirl and Ultraman makeout, ew), it'd make sense Kara Zor-El would avoid Kara Zor-L, but if it's gone, this is would be a storyline that I'd like to see. I mean, it's gotta be more interesting that Superman showing up in every issue, right? Even as a Superman fan I don't wanna see that.

Even without the Kandor-oriented issues, they still don't really like each other (see issue one). I wish that wasn't the case, but once again, thank you Jeph Loeb... :rolleyes:

And besides, the SG fans and PG fans seem to have some problems with each other, having the two titles crossover would just lead to more bickering, IMO.

[WorstThingUS]

Even without the Kandor-oriented issues, they still don't really like each other (see issue one). I wish that wasn't the case, but once again, thank you Jeph Loeb... :rolleyes:

And besides, the SG fans and PG fans seem to have some problems with each other, having the two titles crossover would just lead to more bickering, IMO.

But even that sounds interesting. What's it like when you're essentially on a mission with yourself---and you don't like her? Not to mention we really don't know much about PG's Krypton life and it would be an excellent opportunity to compare and contrast the two. Show exactly why PG is so different from SG while the two Supermen were relatively the same.

[willywilly99]

Even without the Kandor-oriented issues, they still don't really like each other (see issue one). I wish that wasn't the case, but once again,

[Johnny_Luck]

I actually liked the Kandor arc, but due to writer leaving issues it was left open and not closed off like they meant it to be, so I have a feeling had there been 2 more issues with the writer whom started supergirl we would have seen a much better more understandable ending to that arc.

However I have to say I really don't want to see these two team up at all. Last time they say each other Supergirl made a unneeded apology to Powergirl when supergirl actually didn't do jack wrong and the only response she got fropm PG was bitchy attitude and resentment.

Not only that but even in Kandor and other times they have meet its basically been excuses for writers to make supergirl look like a weakling and let PG walk all over her, which is bogus considering Supergirl in her first 18 issues of her run has been more entertaining than the character of powergirl has ever really been.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I actually liked the Kandor arc, but due to writer leaving issues it was left open and not closed off like they meant it to be, so I have a feeling had there been 2 more issues with the writer whom started supergirl we would have seen a much better more understandable ending to that arc.

However I have to say I really don't want to see these two team up at all. Last time they say each other Supergirl made a unneeded apology to Powergirl when supergirl actually didn't do jack wrong and the only response she got fropm PG was bitchy attitude and resentment.

Not only that but even in Kandor and other times they have meet its basically been excuses for writers to make supergirl look like a weakling and let PG walk all over her, which is bogus considering Supergirl in her first 18 issues of her run has been more entertaining than the character of powergirl has ever really been.


Super Girl left Kandor so it could be re-conquered just to get info on Argo City. She left the job unfinished.

Yeah, she was dead wrong, and needed to apologize and more. And PG should have probably went back or told Supes.

Supergirl didn't look like a weakling... She was an idiot and weak willed. When a city like Kandor is at stake, stupid petty s**t can't get in the way. That's why PG was mad, and she deserved to be.

The rest of your comment was just the usual potshot, a baseless claim because of you hatred of Power Girl...

[Johnny_Luck]

The rest of your comment was just the usual potshot, a baseless claim because of you hatred of Power Girl...

No it wasn't baseless at all, in all the appearances of PG and Supergirl(This version) Kara has looked like not even a quarter as good as PG and PG has done nothing but treat her with disrespect and bad attitude. If They actually had Supergirl even on the level they made PG out to be then it would have been fine.

They make PG out to be such a better person, a better hero and shes not. Then when supergirl said she was sorry when she really didn't need to(considering PG never really cared about Kara and treated her poorly early on without any indication of being sorry for treating her like shit) and Honestly I could have taken the apology better if at least they had PG say she was sorry for her previously poor actions towards supergirl or even at the least she accepted it rather than basically tell Supergirl she didn't deserve the respect of the lowest person on earth.

and Yes she left, but she also only left because the writer left and the next writer decided to do some fill in stuff rather than continue the storyline the way Leob originally plotted the ending out.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

No it wasn't baseless at all, in all the appearances of PG and Supergirl(This version) Kara has looked like not even a quarter as good as PG and PG has done nothing but treat her with disrespect and bad attitude. If They actually had Supergirl even on the level they made PG out to be then it would have been fine.

They make PG out to be such a better person, a better hero and shes not. Then when supergirl said she was sorry when she really didn't need to(considering PG never really cared about Kara and treated her poorly early on without any indication of being sorry for treating her like shit) and Honestly I could have taken the apology better if at least they had PG say she was sorry for her previously poor actions towards supergirl or even at the least she accepted it rather than basically tell Supergirl she didn't deserve the respect of the lowest person on earth.

and Yes she left, but she also only left because the writer left and the next writer decided to do some fill in stuff rather than continue the storyline the way Leob originally plotted the ending out.


That's the thing, she's not on PG's level. She's a rookie hero, Power Girl's a veteran in Earth-2 and Earth-1/New Earth. As of right now, Power Girl is the better hero.

As for the disrespect, Super Girl deserved the disrespect she got because of the Kandor situation. Whatever happened beforehand doesn't change the fact that she left, no, abandoned the people of Kandor just to find out a bit more about her origin. That's selfish and unheroic, period.

As for issue one (if you are going to bring that up), that was both of their faults. PG's powers were going wonky, and blah blah, mis-characterization from Loeb, blah. However, there was no reason for Supergirl to fight back, especially since she was trying to find out what was wrong with her anyway.

But she fights back anyway. There was no use for that. The aftermath of that fight was justified; there was a dark side to Supergirl that she needed to handle. And yes, she does need to work on her heroism. These days, she's getting better, but at first, terrible.

[WorstThingUS]

As for the disrespect, Super Girl deserved the disrespect she got because of the Kandor situation. Whatever happened beforehand doesn't change the fact that she left, no, abandoned the people of Kandor just to find out a bit more about her origin. That's selfish and unheroic, period.

I have to agree here. "I'm sorry" no way excuses what Supergirl did to the people of Kandor. She totally sold them out. And for what? Whatever Rucka (usually a solid writer, but the Supers leave him stymied it seems) had planned, it was totally abandoned by Joe Kelly who set off on his Super Lindsay Lohan idea. Then again it was so twisted (she made out with Ultraman, who in this incarnation, looks just like Superman) I can't say as I blame him too much.

I'll say it again: given how no one has ever mentioned this again and how it makes no sense Supergirl never bothered looking for Argo City (she also never mentioned it again), I'm doubting it's still in continuity. And be grateful on both sides, because it not only makes Supergirl unheroic, Power Girl gets tainted because she never told Superman about Kandor either. And did we ever find out why they were even there in the first place!?! Sigh. OYL was DOA.

[Johnny_Luck]

That's the thing, she's not on PG's level. She's a rookie hero,

Being around longer automatically doesn't mean your better at your job then the younger person or that you have the right to treat them with total disrespect for the sake of it.

Jason Todd has more experience than tim drake in the field, but is not by any means a better hero.

I disagree highly with your shes not on PG's level crap.

[brundlefly]

Jason Todd has more experience than tim drake in the field, but is not by any means a better hero.

Jason Todd was Robin from 1983 up to 1988's "Death in the Family" and then spent most of his time either buried in a grave or wandering around (post-retcon punch) as a mindless zombie before Talia found him. Meanwhile, Tim Drake's been active as Robin since 1990 all the way to present day, for a total of 18 years compared to Todd's mere 5. So I'd say Tim's the one with the edge in legit field experience, not Jason, regardless of how one logics out the 'comic-book time' thing.

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I imagine Supergirl will improve significantly once James Robinson and Geoff John's get a whack at working together on the Superman titles. This was noted in the James Robinson article on CBR:

“Kara’s challenging,” Robinson confessed. “Geoff and I have made a solemn vow in terms of the Superbooks, that it’s not two books that we are doing " ‘Action Comics’ and ‘Superman’ -- it’s three, with ‘Supergirl.’ We are going to make it a trinity of Superbooks, where one book is as important as the next one.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Being around longer automatically doesn't mean your better at your job then the younger person or that you have the right to treat them with total disrespect for the sake of it.

Jason Todd has more experience than tim drake in the field, but is not by any means a better hero.

I disagree highly with your shes not on PG's level crap.

She's been a part of about six teams, some on Earth 2, some on Earth-1/New Earth. These teams were some of the best in it's era. Infinity Inc, JSA, ASS, JLE, JLI, even that crappy Sovereign Six team.

In all these teams, she's been a heavy hitter, one that the team could depend on when the s**t hit the fan. One that won't be afraid taking on the likes of Mordru, Black Adam, and any Crisis in between. And she's been through every Crisis.

She's been around longer, has way more experience, and as the Kandor thing, among all those unneeded slugfests and failures on the job that Supergirl has on her resume (she and her "evil clone" practically fought all the important teams in the DCU), she's is better. The comparison isn't like Jason and Tim; it's like Dick and Tim.

So you a trying to tell me that you're not gonna listen to a more experienced hero, nevermind better, even when you are clearly on the wrong and they are deservingly angry about it? That's just close-minded.

[PatrickG]

BTW, one retcon I'd go for immediately (the least invasive one I can imagine) is that Supergirl's "deal" with Saturn Queen was to let them escape and never return to Kandor, as opposed to letting them have Kandor.

Maybe Kara just didn't feel like telling Power Girl that part because, being an impulsive teenager, she was ticked at Peege for not having a little more faith in her than that.

[WorstThingUS]

BTW, one retcon I'd go for immediately (the least invasive one I can imagine) is that Supergirl's "deal" with Saturn Queen was to let them escape and never return to Kandor, as opposed to letting them have Kandor.

Maybe Kara just didn't feel like telling Power Girl that part because, being an impulsive teenager, she was ticked at Peege for not having a little more faith in her than that.

But that still would reflect badly on PG for never telling Superman a tyrant was ruling Kandor pretending to be him. And there's still the fact we were never told how or why they were there to begin with. I'm voting for "never happened at all."

[mathew101281]

A Supergirl/Powergirl mini would be interesting

[Kage Kisaragi]

Even without the Kandor-oriented issues, they still don't really like each other (see issue one). I wish that wasn't the case, but once again, thank you Jeph Loeb... :rolleyes:

And besides, the SG fans and PG fans seem to have some problems with each other, having the two titles crossover would just lead to more bickering, IMO.


Woo woo.. hold up, Again no memo of this ever came my way. Don't go using labels. I don't know any particular fans of the current supergirl (I mean the only kelly and loeb wrote) that don't like powergirl, or are adversed to her appearing in Supergirl. It was actually one of the high lights of the original start. Yes I supported the big sister / little sister idea to, but not if it meant Kara was suppose to be a carbon cut out of Karen.

[Kage Kisaragi]

But even that sounds interesting. What's it like when you're essentially on a mission with yourself---and you don't like her? Not to mention we really don't know much about PG's Krypton life and it would be an excellent opportunity to compare and contrast the two. Show exactly why PG is so different from SG while the two Supermen were relatively the same.

correction you don't know much about PG's kryton life because she never had one. She was raised in a artificial environment from the time she was a baby until she appeared on earth in her mid 20s.

[WorstThingUS]

correction you don't know much about PG's kryton life because she never had one. She was raised in a artificial environment from the time she was a baby until she appeared on earth in her mid 20s.

It's still a representation of what her life on Krypton would have been like, so the question remains, why did it make her so different?