Victor von Movie-Doom

[Monty_Cristo]

regardless of whether you liked the Fantastic Four movies or not, did you like Doctor Doom's casting? if not, who would you have cast in the role of Latveria's monarch/the FF's enemy #1?

Doom pics:
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1468/109150-doctor-doom_400.jpg
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1468/15337-doctor-doom_400.jpg
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1468/27891-doctor-doom_400.jpg
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1468/106576-doctor-doom_400.jpg

my short-list:

Nestor Carbonell http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2732759296/nm0004801
Ralph Fiennes http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2414975232/nm0000146
Clive Owen http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2490080000/nm0654110

i was mostly going for the tall, dark, and sinister-looking actors. Fiennes isn't tall but he is a great actor and able to play a sophisticate. so, how about you? who would you pick?

[Magneto Rocks]

Honestly? Anyone who can exude menace and power. The problem with casting a big name is that we get Tobey Maguire Syndrome where they feel obliged to show him out of costume as much as possible. Movie Doom was awful precisely BECAUSE he was never in costume. Well, that and he shot metal. And was a Norman Osborn ripoff. And bore little similarity to Doom.

The costume in 2 wasn't bad, but a TOTALLY different actor was necessary- McMahon isn't a bad actor, he's just a bad Doctor Doom. Not a Clive Owen fan, but I could REALLY see Ralph Fiennes pulling it off.

[Monty_Cristo]

Honestly? Anyone who can exude menace and power. The problem with casting a big name is that we get Tobey Maguire Syndrome where they feel obliged to show him out of costume as much as possible. Movie Doom was awful precisely BECAUSE he was never in costume. Well, that and he shot metal. And was a Norman Osborn ripoff. And bore little similarity to Doom.

The costume in 2 wasn't bad, but a TOTALLY different actor was necessary- McMahon isn't a bad actor, he's just a bad Doctor Doom. Not a Clive Owen fan, but I could REALLY see Ralph Fiennes pulling it off.

he definately looked the part, in the picture. i'm not sure what he looks like now.

[rwe1138]

The actor was fine, it was the script and direction that sucked about Doom.

[Monty_Cristo]

The actor was fine, it was the script and direction that sucked about Doom.

that wouldn't have helped his voice or his lack of presence, would it?

[kmeyers]

Although he would never do it, shave the mustache and he's already Doom.

http://popcultureheathen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/there-will-be-blood02.jpg

It would be a shame to hide that evil glare behind a mask, though.

[StoneGold]

The costume in 2 wasn't bad, but a TOTALLY different actor was necessary- McMahon isn't a bad actor, he's just a bad Doctor Doom. Not a Clive Owen fan, but I could REALLY see Ralph Fiennes pulling it off.

I'm not even sure he's incapable of being a good Doom, it's just the movie Doom concept is kind of crap. And to be fair, it does seem hard to get Doom across in the modern age. Sure, we get the absolute monarch of a satellite Balkan state, but that's because we've been reading it for 40 years. Doing that, figuring out how to tie Doom into the Four's origin... it's rough. Sure, they screwed the pooch on the attempt, but has there ever been a truly satisfying modernization of Doom?

[Pól Rua]

I had no problem with Doom in the first film. He was a bit lame, but I really see that character in comics as the pre-scarring Doom. He's just an arrogant scientist who can't accept that he's wrong.
At the end of the film, he heads back to Latveria, and that's where I can see him really BECOMING Dr.Doom proper. He's scarred up, beaten, nearly killed, and has suffered his first real crushing defeat. There's the opportunity there to transform him from a smarmy arsehole into a genuine megalomaniac.

Unfortunately, with the second film, they completely dropped the ball on that.

[IamtheRock3]

thought the actor wasa great fit when they cast

namely if you watch his charcter in niptuck. Aint that far off

But sadly the direction was bad.

[Shellhead]

Sure, they screwed the pooch on the attempt, but has there ever been a truly satisfying modernization of Doom?

Darth Vader. Dammit, it really sucks that one of the greatest villains ever created got his best screen time in the form of a blatant ripoff by George Lucas.

[Norrin Radd]

I'm not even sure he's incapable of being a good Doom, it's just the movie Doom concept is kind of crap. And to be fair, it does seem hard to get Doom across in the modern age. Sure, we get the absolute monarch of a satellite Balkan state, but that's because we've been reading it for 40 years. Doing that, figuring out how to tie Doom into the Four's origin... it's rough. Sure, they screwed the pooch on the attempt, but has there ever been a truly satisfying modernization of Doom?

Ed Brubaker's Books of Doom was pretty good and gave a slightly new take on Doom while keeping intact his established origin. I dunno...I just don't think it's a stretch that you'd have a petty dictatorship in Central Europe in this day and age, especially since Latveria is such a tiny country...and fictional of course...so basically the sky's the limit.

My opinion is that their first mistake in the movie was trying to fit so much into the first film. They had to establish the FF's origin, so Doom was basically just along for the ride. That's partly why they bastardized the character, because they had to focus more on developing the FF. I say focus on the FF vs. a lesser villain in the first movie and focus on FF vs. Doom in the second. That way, they could spend more time on establishing Doom's character instead of making him play second fiddle to everybody else.

[Toku King]

Matthew Wood.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

FF was a team of adventurers fighting monsters. 1st flick would have been more fun if they stuck to that. having Doom cameo or mentioned. "Reed, what ever happened to your college rival after his tragic accident?" --- "After Victor was injured in his failed expirement he went back to his home in Latveria to see specialists and healers." exposition cover the basics, they fight a big monster in manhattan win, end first film.

Doom maybe a Brit could play the character. The Lead in Smoking Barrels maybe...but with a more commanding voice. Not Prickish,not weasle like but Commanding.
A Patrick Stewart or Orson Wells type voice. I can't think of a person with boyish good looks(but under a mask what diference does it make?) and a commanding voice, But it sure wasn't they guy they got.

[BoosterBronze]

Darth Vader. Dammit, it really sucks that one of the greatest villains ever created got his best screen time in the form of a blatant ripoff by George Lucas.

Metal mask?
check
Cape?
check
Sovreign country?
Vanity?
Obsession with revenge?
Little skirt?
Robot doubles?
Over the top dramatic ramblings?

I might agree to a superficial similarity, but Vader seems to be lacking LOTS that might make him a blatant rip-off.

[Pól Rua]

Darth Vader. Dammit, it really sucks that one of the greatest villains ever created got his best screen time in the form of a blatant ripoff by George Lucas.

Now you know how all us Judge Dredd fans feel when we first saw Robocop.

[Movie-Brat]

Andrew Divoff would've made a kick ass Dr. Doom.

[Monty_Cristo]

Now you know how all us Judge Dredd fans feel when we first saw Robocop.

well how did you feel when you actually saw Judge Dredd?

[Monty_Cristo]

Andrew Divoff would've made a kick ass Dr. Doom.

i think he'd make an awesome Purple Man or Chameleon, as well.

[Pól Rua]

well how did you feel when you actually saw Judge Dredd?

Still haven't.
I saw an interview with the director where he said something to the effect of, "Lots of people think Mega City-1 is based on a kind of twisted America. However, I'm basing my version on Russia before the fall of Communism."
I saw it as one of the dumbest most wrong-headed statements ever, and avoided seeing the film. Since then, I've really heard nothing compelling to convince me otherwise.

Besides, how do you do Judge Dredd when some of the best bits have already been skimmed off to make 'Robocop' and 'Demolition Man'.

[lonewolf23k]

I think Doom would've worked a lot better as a "Behind the Scenes" villain, rather then as a successful CEO, which really didn't suit him at all. And though I loathe to use Heroes Reborn as a reference, they could've taken a page or two out of it, and have the already scarred and mask-wearing Doom being the one responsible for sabotaging Reed's rocket, doing so in the hopes of killing Reed, but inadvertantly creating the Fantastic Four in the process.

I'd also keep Doom relatively mundane, without superpowers of his own, relying on intelligence and gadgetry, and only putting on a battlesuit when deciding to confront the FFs directly.

His motivations would be simple: Destroy Reed Richards, and possibly dissect the FFs' corpses to figure out how to replicate the power acquisition process for his own purposes.