ask an indian (feather not dot)

[section 8]

i watched the "Ask a Black dude" episode Chapelle's Show, last nite and became inspired to....ell rip off the idea (that plus such threds as "ask a Blonde, ect)

Native Amereicans/ American indians are less than 1% of the U.S. population, not to mention the world so i'm sure there are more than a few of you with questions regarding indian culture, no subject will be taboo, (tho i cannot speak for the mods)

so c'mon ask an indian (feather not dot)

[Cam63]

Do you still crack open a beer on Custer's birthday ?

[stealthwise]

Which tribe(s) did you descend from?

[Solaris]

What tribe/tribes are you? And did you grow up in the culture?

[section 8]

Do you still crack open a beer on Custer's birthday ?

if its on a friday maybe, i don't know when his birthday is, but (in my tribe atleast ) we do call "Columbus Day" "Lost White dude day"

[section 8]

Which tribe(s) did you descend from?

i am a member of the Pee Dee tribe of Northern SC, we are believed to be decended from the iroquis tribe (google Now)

and yes solaris i grew up in the culture most of m earliest memories are of being dragged to Pow Wows an other events, i was also taught many of the traitional arts and dances from childhood

[Cam63]

if its on a friday maybe, i don't know when his birthday is, but (in my tribe atleast ) we do call "Columbus Day" "Lost White dude day"

Custer was a brave wanker, I'll give him that.

[Cam63]

i am a member of the Pee Dee tribe of Northern SC, we are believed to be decended from the iroquis tribe (google Now)

I like your helicopters.

[Gail Simone]

Custer was a brave wanker, I'll give him that.

I think he had a serious vanity issue.

[section 8]

he was also arrogant, if he had not overestimated his odds militarily, i might not be sitting here, there are two major taboos in warfare, cowardice, and over confidence

[Solaris]

i am a member of the Pee Dee tribe of Northern SC, we are believed to be decended from the iroquis tribe (google Now)

and yes solaris i grew up in the culture most of m earliest memories are of being dragged to Pow Wows an other events, i was also taught many of the traitional arts and dances from childhood

Did you grow up on a reservation, or mixed into the general pop? And do you *like* your culture? (I ask because of the "getting dragged to" comment you made.)

On a side note, I know little about you---you're around 18, right? What kind of school or job are you in? Does being N.A. impact it at all, in your perception?

[Cam63]

I think he had a serious vanity issue.

Well, she was deemed OK in the mid-late '80s.

[Solaris]

Custer was a brave wanker, I'll give him that.

Key word: wanker.

Which turned out good for the native americans involved, thank goodness.

[Gail Simone]

All right, I have a question for you.

How much Native American culture do you have around you in your current daily life? Lots, some, or none?

[Cam63]

he was also arrogant, if he had not overestimated his odds militarily, i might not be sitting here, there are two major taboos in warfare, cowardice, and over confidence

He believed in his own publicity. They called it " Custer's luck. "

...'Worked OK up until 25th June, 1876.

[K-DoG7p7]

Ok I have a question...

is it true that no full blooded Native American is afraid of heights ?

[Cam63]

Key word: wanker.

Which turned out good for the native americans involved, thank goodness.

No... That loss lead to greater attacks against them.

[section 8]

Did you grow up on a reservation, or mixed into the general pop? And do you *like* your culture? (I ask because of the "getting dragged to" comment you made.)

On a side note, I know little about you---you're around 18, right? What kind of school or job are you in? Does being N.A. impact it at all, in your perception?

i did not grow p on a reservation,(thank God) but i did grow up in an area heavily populated by indians (tho to this day many still deny heir heritage) i like m culture (i wish we were better fighters on somedays) and being such a "minority among minorites allows an interesting point of view regarding such thing as race, or a group of waterheads in FL keys who decide to have a tongue in cheek "Sucession"

[Cam63]

Does your mob do that torture ceremony that makes my chest hurt just thinkin' about it ?

[section 8]

Ok I have a question...

is it true that no full blooded Native American is afraid of heights ?

two words baby 82nd airborne division of the united states army, where a lot of my fam is or has been.

i grew up hearing the stereotype, the indians are less afraid of heights, and therefore more likely to work construction or in some like field.

to be fair i don't know of many who are, but it's hard to speak for everyone

[section 8]

Does your mob do that torture ceremony that makes my chest hurt just thinkin' about it ?

um no we're mostly baptists,

im sure your thinking of that Indiana Jones movie...

the only torture cerimony we perform nowadays is marriage

[Cam63]

two words baby 82nd airborne division of the united states army, where a lot of my fam is or has been.

i grew up hearing the opposite stereotype, the indians are less afraid of heights, and therefore more likely to work construction or in some like field.

to be fair i don't know of many who are, but it's hard to speak for everyone

Fear helps keep us alive, just don't be ruled by it.

[Cam63]

um no we're mostly baptists,

im sure your thing of that Indiana Jones movie

More like the Richard Harris A Man Called Horse

[Solaris]

No... That loss lead to greater attacks against them.

Sigh. I know. But I tend to be one of the people who, when watching Westerns etc., "cheer for the Indians." :biggrin:

My family has a very vague tie-in to the Cherokee (like a fair amount of southerners), and I've been fascinated with Native Americans, their history and their culture for as long as I can remember. (And no, I don't quite buy into the "Noble Savage" thingy---they are human and had a few rotten egg members, just like any race or culture---but, from what I've read and seen, Native Americans in general tended to be more socially-advanced than the Europeans who came in.)

And in general, I support Native American causes: the peoples honestly are a "conquered and subjugated" race, IMO, and the injustices our government (and often our culture) visit upon them aren't just old history---a lot of that kind of thing is still happening, and it pisses me off. But, though the peoples are "conquered" in terms of "who's got the worldly power," that doesn't mean their *spirit* or *minds* are conquered, though sadly some do succumb to the depression and feeling of helplessness those injustices engender.

We went to a "Mother's Day Powwow" just this past Saturday. It was a nice enough affair, good PR for the N.A.'s, and definitely fun watching the dancing competitions, etc., it did have a little of a feel of "putting on a show for the white man folks, to both do some basic teaching about us, and also to earn a little money." Nothing wrong with that, but I gather (from speaking to friends who've been to the kind of powwows, stomps, sweat lodges, etc. that are meant mostly for their own), there *is* a difference in the feel, so to speak. And nothing wrong with that, either. :wink: Things are naturally going to be a bit different, between a time when Jimmy Joe Bob is coming in in droves, and when it's mostly limited to your brothers and sisters. In the latter case, everyone there pretty much *gets* it all, and I would imagine, there are a bit more things going on in a more serious fashion, such as various religious ceremonies, etc.

Kind of like when a mixed group of Pagans hold a big fest with open attendance, versus when they hold a private Circle to which they've invited a few friends: the vibe, and some of the activities, are different.

[KevinTBrown]

You know, as someone who is of Native American descent (My great-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee), I take great offense to the title..... There has to be a far better way to title this thread.

[section 8]

Sigh. I know. But I tend to be one of the people who, when watching Westerns etc., "cheer for the Indians." :biggrin:

, I don't quite buy into the "Noble Savage" thingy---they are human and had a few rotten egg members, just like any race or culture---but, from what I've read and seen, Native Americans in general tended to be more socially-advanced than the Europeans who came in.)

pre columbus we had....

eurigation systems (sp?)

Saunars (sweat lodges)

Mobile homes (teepees)

Apartment complexes (pueblo)

many tribes settled disputes through sporting event (tho there was some war)

equal rights for woman and homosexuals (not that ther's anything wrong with that.)

and we had enough since not to shit where we eat (i/e over hunt game destroying the planet that substaned us, making American Pie movies ect ect)

that said it is not a lack of technology that makes a Savage, only a lack of virtue. the europeans did this everwhere they went, deemed the native as "savage", then savagly attack

[section 8]

You know, as someone who is of Native American descent (My great-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee), I take great offense to the title..... There has to be a far better way to title this thread.

go make your own, then. title it as you see fit.

this is an interesting point, i'm assuming that he's refering to "Indian" rather than "native american" i will explain the popular view of this in my tribe/ fam/ area/ect.

comming from a people who suffered attempted genocide, survived oppression, and to this a day are a minorities among minorities, if you have the luxuary of time to complain that a name that isn't a slur, but isn't pc. then life had indeed been good to you.

the term "indian" is not derogitry to us, the cintrary it reminds the world that america was "Discovered" by a lost white dude.. think about it who's really being called what when i say "indian"

the idea of adding words to a term to make it socially acceptible is something shared only by the most "white minded" of indians ( aka uncle Tantos) shit does chapelle get this kinda flack for saying "black"?

[Solaris]

pre columbus we had....

eurigation systems (sp?)

Saunars (sweat lodges)

Mobile homes (teepees)

Apartment complexes (pueblo)

many tribes settled disputes through sporting event (tho there was some war)

equal rights for woman and homosexuals (not that ther's anything wrong with that.)

and we had enough since not to shit where we eat (i/e over hunt game destroying the planet that substaned us, making American Pie movies ect ect)

that said it is not a lack of technology that makes a Savage, only a lack of virtue. the europeans did this everwhere they went, deemed the native as "savage", then savagly attack


Don't forget, for the tribes that used it, the whole idea of "counting coup." :biggrin: SO much more challenging, and enlightened, to thwack or tap your enemy in a "status" fight, than to actually maim or kill him.

And I was using the term "savage" in pointing out the way settlers labeled the N.A.s. I think "savage" is the last term that could (or should) be applied to them.

Europeans had the "manifest destiny" and "dominion over the earth" thinking (both of which were very short-sighted, and detrimental to the environment); N.A.'s had the "we are part of a natural order, let's not disrupt the order, but live within it" thought processes and approach.

You can guess which one I find more "enlightened." (:wink: I think it's pretty obvious.)

[Solaris]

go make your own, then. title it as you see fit.

this is an interesting point, i'm assuming that he's refering to "Indian" rather than "native american" i will explain the popular view of this in my tribe/ fam/ area/ect.

comming from a people who suffered attempted genocide, survived oppression, and to this a day are a minorities among minorities, if you have the luxuary of time to complain that a name that isn't a slur, but isn't pc. then life had indeed been good to you.

the term "indian" is not derogitry to us, the cintrary it reminds the world that america was "Discovered" by a lost white dude.. think about it who's really being called what when i say "indian"

the idea of adding words to a term to make it socially acceptible is something shared only by the most "white minded" of indians ( aka uncle Tantos) shit does chapelle get this kinda flack for saying "black"?

Given that some Native Americans have objected to the term "Indian" as being both a white man's label and inaccurate, I try to use N.A. instead of Indian. If N.A.'s are okay with being called "Indian," that's fine by me---but I'll still use N.A. instead whenever possible, because I think it's more accurate (you aren't from India) and because some Native Americans prefer it. :smile: It also helps avoid confusion (witness the "feather, not dot" part of your thread title).

Also, I'd be interested on your take on the character I came up with in one of the Project CBRunway challenges that was Native American---a lot of the background info was factual stuff on the Newe Sogobia, and for me, it was one way of spreading the word a little farther that "injustices are still being enacted on Native Americans, heyla, here's one more example" kind of thing.

Here's the link, and it's post # 16:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=214872

[Alan Lynch]

You know, as someone who is of Native American descent (My great-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee), I take great offense to the title..... There has to be a far better way to title this thread.

go make your own, then. title it as you see fit.

this is an interesting point, i'm assuming that he's refering to "Indian" rather than "native american" i will explain the popular view of this in my tribe/ fam/ area/ect.

comming from a people who suffered attempted genocide, survived oppression, and to this a day are a minorities among minorities, if you have the luxuary of time to complain that a name that isn't a slur, but isn't pc. then life had indeed been good to you.

the term "indian" is not derogitry to us, the cintrary it reminds the world that america was "Discovered" by a lost white dude.. think about it who's really being called what when i say "indian"

the idea of adding words to a term to make it socially acceptible is something shared only by the most "white minded" of indians ( aka uncle Tantos) shit does chapelle get this kinda flack for saying "black"?
That was actually going to be my question, about attitudes towards the term "Indians". Good pre-emptive answer, man.
Don't forget, for the tribes that used it, the whole idea of "counting coup." :biggrin: SO much more challenging, and enlightened, to thwack or tap your enemy in a "status" fight, than to actually maim or kill him.
That and stealing ponies were pretty much how the various tribes fought wars. They wouldn't have won - ultimately - but I daresay the Native Americans could have fared much better during the Plains Wars had they understood how highly the whites valued property. Same goes on the other side; so few of the settlers realised that the NA's weren't waging war as they defined it, and that just escalated things.

Funny this came up - I'm fascinated by the whole subject. Recently started re-reading Crazy Horse and Custer by Stephen Ambrose. It draws some great comparisons between the two cultures using both those men as a jumping-off point.

[section 8]

perfect timing, Solaris. it could be argued that the dice around her neck implys the indian casino/gambling stereotype, i know this isn't the case but there are many MANY people who go through life looking for reasons to be offended, no matter what you do, so i'm not putting much stock in what someone say i SHOULD call m own people, besides what is a "native American" in some parts of the world? one native to america, where as an american indian, everyone knows what that is, world wide

now as to the chactor, i like the design the pants, or leggings could use some fringe, the bow and arrow thing has been done to death, a knife would be just as good, oh and DO NOT LOSE THE DICE, i was merly making a point, i think they are a nice touch

[Solaris]

perfect timing, it could be argued that the dice around her neck implys the indian casino/gambling stereotype, i know this isn't the case but there are many MANY people who go through life looking for reasons to be offended, no matter what you do, so i'm not putting much stock in what someone say i SHOULD call m own people, besides what is a "native American" in some parts of the world? one native to america, where as an american indian, everyone knows what that is, world wide

now as to the chactor, i like the design the pants, or leggings could use some fringe, the bow and arrow thing has been done to death, a knife would be just as good, oh and DO NOT LOSE THE DICE, i was merly making a point, i think they are a nice touch

Thanks! :biggrin:

In that round, I was still trying to find a balance between "what's good on the character?" and "what do the voters want to see?" hence, the bow and arrow. Looking back on it, I wish I had put a coup-stick in one hand, and maybe a shaman's rattle in the other---with her powers, I don't think she'd even *need* an edged weapon.

Someone made a good point in the comments about it, in that thread: they said they wished I'd given the garments a touch of metallic shine, to make it more modern and to relate it back to the "spaceship/alien technology" part of her origin story. It didn't even occur to me, and I think it's a valid point.

But, leaving the art and design part aside, the reason I directed you to the entry was I was curious about your take on the factual part of the origin story---the part about what's going on (and has been going on for years) in Nevada, with the lands and the way the N.A.s there are being both harassed, and denied their rights.

Comments?

[section 8]

Thanks! :biggrin:

In that round, I was still trying to find a balance between "what's good on the character?" and "what do the voters want to see?" hence, the bow and arrow. Looking back on it, I wish I had put a coup-stick in one hand, and maybe a shaman's rattle in the other---with her powers, I don't think she'd even *need* an edged weapon.

Someone made a good point in the comments about it, in that thread: they said they wished I'd given the garments a touch of metallic shine, to make it more modern and to relate it back to the "spaceship/alien technology" part of her origin story. It didn't even occur to me, and I think it's a valid point.

But, leaving the art and design part aside, the reason I directed you to the entry was I was curious about your take on the factual part of the origin story---the part about what's going on (and has been going on for years) in Nevada, with the lands and the way the N.A.s there are being both harassed, and denied their rights.

Comments?

mettaic shine woulnt be as prudent if she relies
on stealth


i didn't want to comment on the situation in Nevada, since i'm not from ther nor have i ever been, but this sort of thing has been going on for centuries, polititians wont stop it, why should they? not enough indian votes to matter either way to them, the news wont cover it, not nough indian viewers, let a cop rape and kill an indian girl, it isn't news-worthy, let Paris Hilton flash her junk getting out of a car and BOOM! front page!!

to be honest i don't know what i'm supposed to say here, it is tragic, but it isn't new. i wish more people were aware/carred.

h and there is a comic, a Virtigo title called "Scalped" it adresses a lot of issues reguarding our entire country not just indian people

[Indigo Al]

Where do you stand on sports team names? (Braves, Chiefs, and especially, Redskins)?

[hellokittykat]

You know, as someone who is of Native American descent (My great-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee), I take great offense to the title..... There has to be a far better way to title this thread.

Really? My family was created by an Irish man and a Lenape woman. I'm from the branch that continued to marry Irish, so I don't know what "percentage" I am Lenape, but it doesn't bother me. My cousins grew from Indian branch, so even though I'm more Irish than Indian I still feel connected to the Lenape culture through them.

[Gail Simone]

Yeah, I always found the 'Two Spirits' idea of gender exceptions to be really interesting and a perfect answer for those who feel tolerance is some new idea being forced down their throats.

[section 8]

i think it's more thoughtless than racist, i dont think the owners of such sports tems understand what its like to be at a Cleveland@ Atlanta games and have to see fanmade signs that read "indians suck". even though i know the mean the team it still hit a nerve. that said these teams hae been around for decades, no one (to my knowledge is directl being hurt so i can understand the otherside of the debate.

i prepose that we change ever non-racial team (oh and the Irish have their share of teams named after them and so do Nordic people (viking) indians arenot alone in this,

[Indigo Al]

i think it's more thoughtless than racist, i dont think the owners of such sports tems understand what its like to be at a Cleveland@ Atlanta games and have to see fanmade signs that read "indians suck". even though i know the mean the team it still hit a nerve. that said these teams hae been around for decades, no one (to my knowledge is directl being hurt so i can understand the otherside of the debate.

i prepose that we change ever non-racial team (oh and the Irish have their share of teams named after them and so do Nordic people (viking) indians arenot alone in this,

I can see "Braves" and "Chiefs" being equivalent to "Vikings," but "Redskins" has always bugged me.

[section 8]

sorry i got distracted during my last post, i was a bout to prepose that ALL sportsteams have racial names.

yes Redskins is far worse

and i also have a beef with the rapper "redman" for obvious reasons

[MacQuarrie]

um no we're mostly baptists,

im sure your thinking of that Indiana Jones movie...

the only torture cerimony we perform nowadays is marriage

He's thinking of "A Man Called Horse", starring Richard Harris as a white guy adopted by a Native American tribe.


http://www.ugo.com/movies/most-uncomfortable-moments-in-films/images/a-man-called-horse.jpg

[sk716]

You know, as someone who is of Native American descent (My great-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee), I take great offense to the title..... There has to be a far better way to title this thread.

My grandfather was born on the Cherokee Nation in Leflore County, Oklahoma. Except for the lack of capitalization, I've got no problems with the title of this thread. I think it's appropriately silly.


Section 8, please make some effort at spelling, capitalization and grammar. If your posts are hard to read, it is going to lead to misunderstandings.

[sk716]

Board hang, disregard.

[section 8]

He's thinking of "A Man Called Horse", starring Richard Harris as a white guy adopted by a Native American tribe.


http://www.ugo.com/movies/most-uncomfortable-moments-in-films/images/a-man-called-horse.jpg

oh THe sun dance?

no e've never done that, but on somedays i wanna

[section 8]

Section 8, please make some effort at spelling, capitalization and grammar. If your posts are hard to read, it is going to lead to misunderstandings.

again... nerve damage in my left hand...old keyboard....not a desk jockey..

I respect that you can type, Please respect that i can't.

[Cam63]

He's thinking of "A Man Called Horse", starring Richard Harris as a white guy adopted by a Native American tribe.


http://www.ugo.com/movies/most-uncomfortable-moments-in-films/images/a-man-called-horse.jpg

*Phantom chest pain flashback* ...Yeeee-ouch !

[Ben Morgan]

You shouldn't tempt Kyuubi

[Cam63]

Ky doesn't need tempting... He just lies in wait for the opportune time.

[section 8]

tempt who?

[Cam63]

You don't know of the Blue Duck ?

[section 8]

no. sounds tasty tho

[Solaris]

He's thinking of "A Man Called Horse", starring Richard Harris as a white guy adopted by a Native American tribe.


http://www.ugo.com/movies/most-uncomfortable-moments-in-films/images/a-man-called-horse.jpg

Oddly enough, I've seen a guy hanging like that at a fetish party... and wish I hadn't. Yeouch.

[section 8]

i'm sure eventually you pass out from the pain.



....now about this party....

[Lester C.]

He's thinking of "A Man Called Horse", starring Richard Harris as a white guy adopted by a Native American tribe.


http://www.ugo.com/movies/most-uncomfortable-moments-in-films/images/a-man-called-horse.jpg

Is that man hanging by his nipples?:eek: There are times when pale skins defy all logic and this would be one.

[section 8]

two thick hooks through the skin on the upper part of the chest or back. the structure rotates so not only is the "sun dancer" suspended, but also being pulled in circles

i should also add this isn't a form of torture, but a spiritual ritual to obtain enlightenment through suffering. a rite of passage if you will

[Ben Morgan]

no. sounds tasty tho
He will bite you.

[section 8]

that sound more kinky than tasty, but i don't play for that team (not that there is anything wrong with that)



Dude in my head, all of your posts are voiced by the Coz, please dont ever change that avatar.

[Ben Morgan]

Suck my dick fuckface




















(how did that sound?)

[section 8]

Suck my dick fuckface



















(how did that sound?)



it sounded, angry....but still hilarious...

[Solaris]

Is that man hanging by his nipples?:eek: There are times when pale skins defy all logic and this would be one.


Section 8's already clarified the religious ceremony... now at the fetish party, yeah, the guy was hanging from chest piercings (including the nipples), and at another point, piercings on his back.

That, and the time this girl stuck what looked like a shish-ke-bob skewer through her cheeks (between the teeth, in one side and out the other)... I gave it a glance, then had to look away, shuddering (but hubby managed to wince and watch)---those things were just too painful for me to even watch them.

I've seen a lot of shows that were fun, interesting, and even *ahem* other things to watch, at the parties---but those two things weren't in those categories for me.

[Solaris]

Suck my dick fuckface




















(how did that sound?)


Seeing those words and Cos's pic together... dude, it's like walking in on your parents doing it--- in the immortal words of the crewman on Galaxy Quest, "Oh... that's not ri-i-ight..."

[Lester C.]

two thick hooks through the skin on the upper part of the chest or back. the structure rotates so not only is the "sun dancer" suspended, but also being pulled in circles

i should also add this isn't a form of torture, but a spiritual ritual to obtain enlightenment through suffering. a rite of passage if you will

You mean that's an Indian up there. What's next for you people, extreme sports.:eek:

All kidding aside here is my question. What is the respectful term for your people Native American or Indian?

[section 8]

(Regarding Solaris' poast)

....ok.. still wishi could have seen that

.....what?......

i was hit in the face by a severed steer testical while eating a monster burger, for god's sake

i'm not very squimish

[Solaris]

....ok.. still wishi could have seen that

.....what?......

i was hit in the face by a severed steer testical while eating a monster burger, for god's sake

i'm not very squimish

Would you call that a "drive by balling"?

:biggrin:

(And yeah---I'm actually afraid to ask what a steer testicle was doing flying through the air while you were eating...)

[section 8]

You mean that's an Indian up there. What's next for you people, extreme sports.:eek:

All kidding aside here is my question. What is the respectful term for your people Native American or Indian?

this has been discussed earlier but i'll summerize once more, most of the indians (in my area) really dont mind "Indian" btu if in doubt ask.. this PC shit is confusing most of us understand this.

i'm sure the day that the term "Native american" was coined there were fewer indians saying "finally some respect" and more saying "well shit! now i gotta change my tatoo"

but go back through the thread for the whole story as well as points made by others.

NDN 4 LIFE

[section 8]

Would you call that a "drive by balling"?

:biggrin:

(And yeah---I'm actually afraid to ask what a steer testicle was doing flying through the air while you were eating...)

i was picking up a friend to go to Florence. his dad owned a cattle ranch, he was a little behind on his chores.

i believe the words "hey y'all watch this" were involved

[Tyr]

I'm part Cherokee indian, but I'm not sure how much, my Great Grandmother was at least half Cherokee, and my Grandfather recieved monetary benefits from the tribe.

I seriously doubt I qualify, but I am curious, just what percentage would someone have to be to recieve tribal benefits?

[section 8]

i don't know, my tribe has no such benefits the closest thing think we have are voting rights,

for that you just have to be on the tribal role, and show up to vote at tribal council, but again not 100% sure

[BnL]

Do you have lovely cheekbones?

[section 8]

i think i have a Lovely everything, but i'm a little biased

[BnL]

That's what we like to hear.

You seem like good people, section 8.

[section 8]

That's what we like to hear.

You seem like good people, section 8.
many here on YABS would disagree, i'm not one of them

....but again i'm biased

[BnL]

many here on YABS would disagree, i'm not one of them

....but again i'm biased

Oh. Hm.

Well in that case, tell me what caused so many to disagree, so I can decide whether or not I hate you.

:biggrin:

[section 8]

Oh. Hm.

Well in that case, tell me what caused so many to disagree, so I can decide whether or not I hate you.

:biggrin:
um not much i can say about it..... mostly miscommunication

[BnL]

um not much i can say about it..... mostly miscommunication

I'm kidding, of course. I saw some small thing earlier today with Crowley, but most people seem to like you.

[MacQuarrie]

this has been discussed earlier but i'll summerize once more, most of the indians (in my area) really dont mind "Indian" btu if in doubt ask.. this PC shit is confusing most of us understand this.

i'm sure the day that the term "Native american" was coined there were fewer indians saying "finally some respect" and more saying "well shit! now i gotta change my tatoo"

but go back through the thread for the whole story as well as points made by others.

NDN 4 LIFE

It's also not accurate. "Native Americans" aren't native either, they just got here first. I like the Canadian term, "First Nations".

[Alan Lynch]

Do you enjoy the awesome - IMHO - Vertigo comic book Scalped?

[Monkey Boy]

two words baby 82nd airborne division of the united states army, where a lot of my fam is or has been.

i grew up hearing the stereotype, the indians are less afraid of heights, and therefore more likely to work construction or in some like field.

to be fair i don't know of many who are, but it's hard to speak for everyone

all the indians i know aren't afraid of heights at all, including myself. in fact, i fell more comfortable being up high.

[Solaris]

I'm part Cherokee indian, but I'm not sure how much, my Great Grandmother was at least half Cherokee, and my Grandfather recieved monetary benefits from the tribe.

I seriously doubt I qualify, but I am curious, just what percentage would someone have to be to recieve tribal benefits?


I think you have to be 1/4 Native American... but it *might* be 1/8. I know past 1/8, you can't get on the tribal roles.

More to the point for me is, if you *get* on the tribal roles, does that give the Bureau of Indian Affairs some say in your life?

Be careful what you wish for, Quimo Sabe... in my opinion, the BIA has done *far* more harm than good to the N.A.'s, and in most ways is a "wolf in sheep's clothing": it masquerades as an arm of the federal govt. designed to help Native Americans and to ensure their rights are observed, but in reality, nearly all of its actions have been to further oppress, rob, and in general, control (even to wipe out) said peoples.

(And before anyone argues the last point, go do some research on the godsbedamned hospitals set up for N.A.'s by the govt., where even in this past century, N.A. women were sterilyzed without their knowledge or consent, while there for childbirth or other reasons.)

I don't know every single thing the BIA and govt. has done to the various tribes and nations---but of what I do know, the sheer atrocity puts my bloodpressure through the roof. (And that includes giving the peoples they forced onto reservations rotten meat, sick cattle, etc., among a host of other things... and in general, just *forcing* them onto "reservations" in the first place.) Honest to gods, a lot of government policy was set up with the "behind doors" idea of looking "fair" to the public, while in reality trying to exterminate Indians. And a lot of that system is still in power, and still goes on.

Grrrr. Okay, I'm going off to get lunch and lower my b.p. again.

[Metronome35]

Hey Section 8, who are your favourite Native American characters in fiction?

[sk716]

I think you have to be 1/4 Native American... but it *might* be 1/8. I know past 1/8, you can't get on the tribal roles.

More to the point for me is, if you *get* on the tribal roles, does that give the Bureau of Indian Affairs some say in your life?

Be careful what you wish for, Quimo Sabe... in my opinion, the BIA has done *far* more harm than good to the N.A.'s, and in most ways is a "wolf in sheep's clothing": it masquerades as an arm of the federal govt. designed to help Native Americans and to ensure their rights are observed, but in reality, nearly all of its actions have been to further oppress, rob, and in general, control (even to wipe out) said peoples.

(And before anyone argues the last point, go do some research on the godsbedamned hospitals set up for N.A.'s by the govt., where even in this past century, N.A. women were sterilyzed without their knowledge or consent, while there for childbirth or other reasons.)

I don't know every single thing the BIA and govt. has done to the various tribes and nations---but of what I do know, the sheer atrocity puts my bloodpressure through the roof. (And that includes giving the peoples they forced onto reservations rotten meat, sick cattle, etc., among a host of other things... and in general, just *forcing* them onto "reservations" in the first place.) Honest to gods, a lot of government policy was set up with the "behind doors" idea of looking "fair" to the public, while in reality trying to exterminate Indians. And a lot of that system is still in power, and still goes on.

Grrrr. Okay, I'm going off to get lunch and lower my b.p. again.

Monkey Boy is on the Blackfoot rolls. Occasionally, he gets a newsletter. That's about it.

[section 8]

Do you enjoy the awesome - IMHO - Vertigo comic book Scalped?

........um...... YES fucking awesome book.

[section 8]

Hey Section 8, who are your favourite Native American characters in fiction?

Chakote (sp) from Star Trek: Voyager
of all people my grandmother turned me onto that show, we used to sit and watch it every week and crack up.

there is Gina Badhorse (scalped)

oh but Rainmaker (Gen 13) woah,... yeah i know she's lez, but for her i'd be tempted to get sugery.