CAPTAIN BRITAIN & MI13 #1 - Secret Invasion Crossover - Discussion & Spoilers

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CAPTAIN BRITAIN, PETE WISDOM, & PALS #1 by Cornell, Kirk, and company, out today.

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So . . . Skrulls want to mess with the earth's magic, and the best place to do that is England.

We start out with John the Skrull in jail, about to be summarily executed by the Joint Intelligence Chair. Turns out, though, that his captivity was part of a sting by Pete Wisdom to out the JIC as a Skrull. Pete kills the Skrull and frees John.

Cut to Captain Britain fighting Skrulls in the skies over London. He manages to drive them off and is about to pursue, but he's recalled by Alistaire Stuart for a planning session.

Cut to new character Faiza Hussein, a medic on the streets below. She's a big superhero fan, and she's trying to save lives amid all the fighting. A Skrull war machine gets the drop on her, but she's saved by Black Knight. A second one slips through, though, and she's shot.

Back with Brian, he joins up with Pete, John, and Alistaire for a meeting with the Prime Minister. Pete is put in charge of all British superhumans, through MI:13. They figure out that the Skrulls are after the Siege Perilous. Pete, John, and Brian are sent to team up with Spitfire and save the world. They manage to drive off the Skrulls in the Cheviot Hills (the location of the Siege Perilous), but the Skrulls retaliate with a massive missle. Brian tries to stop it, but he gets there a fraction of a second too late and is caught in the explosion. Cue cliffhanger.

All throughout, Pete is hearing strange voices saying things like "The Hero will return" and "The Sword will be drawn again." They're sort of a cross between narrative captions that comment on the scene and free-floating foreshadowing. It's a nice device.

All in all, it's a fun issue. Leonard Kirk does a really nice job with both the action and the character bits. Cornell's Pete Wisdom is a little less acerbic than previous incarnations, but I think it works here. Brian's new approach to being "Captain Britain" works similarly well. There are some nods to the broader Secret Invasion storyline, with the "He loves you" and the amalgamated Skrulls, but it stands on its own perfectly well as an alien invasion/war comic. Likewise, there are nods to a ton of UK superheroes and old bits of continuity, but Cornell still manages to make it perfectly accessible.

So . . . I'm on board for a few storylines with this one. Anyone else?

[drwho]

This did not impress me too much as far as first issues go. I am slightly annoyed that there is a whole conversation about Dane's ebony sword when last we knew it isnt the real ebony sword. I did like the mention of all the other UK heroes working for IM13 whether they like it or not.

[Beast]

Passing on it due to the direction that Paul Cornell seems to be taking it from the various interviews, but it sounds like a good issue from your summery. One thing seems a bit off though, and that's starting right in the thick of the war with the skrulls. From your summery it almost feels like there's something missing, like Cap & MI-13 #0. And I assume by Siege Perilous they're not referring to the one from Uncanny back in the day? But instead to the seat reserved at the Round Table. Since it was destroyed by Donald Pierce.

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It isn't starting from the beginning of the war, but it is starting from the beginning of the team. I mean, Cornell could've probably gotten a whole issue out of how John ended up in jail, the confusion of the Skrulls' first strike, and so on, but I definitely think it works better this way.

[Beast]

It isn't starting from the beginning of the war, but it is starting from the beginning of the team. I mean, Cornell could've probably gotten a whole issue out of how John ended up in jail, the confusion of the Skrulls' first strike, and so on, but I definitely think it works better this way.
True.

And ok, I see that the ring of standing stones where Brian became Captain Britain was also referred to as 'The Siege Perilous'. That makes a bit more sense. But shouldn't be located in Cheviot Hills, unless that's where Darkmoore's located. Maybe someone who knows the are can clarify.

[Old No.7]

This was great. I've never been a fan of Excalibur type books and being an American I'm selfish and only care bout books in my country, but the dialogue in this book was really good and got me actually interested in Captain Britain and John Lennon Skrull. I love it. Can't wait for more, I'm on for a while.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

And I assume by Siege Perilous they're not referring to the one from Uncanny back in the day? But instead to the seat reserved at the Round Table. Since it was destroyed by Donald Pierce.

The 'Siege Perilous' is actually the stone circle in which each Captain is offered the choice which defines their destiny. It's the original point where Otherworld meets with the 616 universe - before Claremont introduced the 'Lighthouse' in Excalibur.

The portable device which Roma gave the X-Men in Uncanny has never really been effectively explained. The name belongs to the Captain Britain mythos, but how it actually properly fits in is anybody's guess.

By rights, if the Skrulls were to gain access to the Siege then they could invade Otherworld - which since the death of Roma and the denial that Brian ever WAS Guasrdian is without an official ruler.

Own Otherworld - Own the Marvel Omniverse.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Annoyingly I don't get my copy of this until tomorrow.

[Monty_Cristo]

it's weird. it was the first book i picked up off the shelf. i was very excited to read it. but, in the end, i just wasn't feeling the characterizations. i loved the scenes between Faiza and Dane (i think i'll continue collecting just for these 2 characters). otherwise, the interaction between Pete Wisdom and Captain Britian seemed "forced" to me. Pete just wasn't the b@stard that he used to be. and i read most of the Excalibur run with he and Braddock as cast mainstays. i understand what they're trying to do with Brian. i just think Pete shouldn't be so obvious about this newfound respect for Captain Britain. it's...weird.

[worstblogever]

The 'Siege Perilous' is actually the stone circle in which each Captain is offered the choice which defines their destiny. It's the original point where Otherworld meets with the 616 universe - before Claremont introduced the 'Lighthouse' in Excalibur.

The portable device which Roma gave the X-Men in Uncanny has never really been effectively explained. The name belongs to the Captain Britain mythos, but how it actually properly fits in is anybody's guess.

By rights, if the Skrulls were to gain access to the Siege then they could invade Otherworld - which since the death of Roma and the denial that Brian ever WAS Guasrdian is without an official ruler.

Own Otherworld - Own the Marvel Omniverse.

Which, credit to the Skrulls for realizing they aren't ready to try invading Otherworld until they get Earth squared away. And, by trying to blow up this portal, they would cut off a potential way for Captain Britain to get some serious reinforcements from the rest of the Corps, right?

And the magical back-up, as well. Seems like a smart strategy. It's a weapon they can't use, the Earth-men can, so let's take it out of their hands.

[Guest_1001]

Annoyingly I don't get my copy of this until tomorrow.

Yeah, me neither. I'm physically in pain because of that fact.

[XPac]

This did not impress me too much as far as first issues go. I am slightly annoyed that there is a whole conversation about Dane's ebony sword when last we knew it isnt the real ebony sword. I did like the mention of all the other UK heroes working for IM13 whether they like it or not.

I only flipped through the book...I didn't sit down and read that carefully. Is this book saying that the sword Dane is using is the real ebony blade now?

[Monty_Cristo]

I only flipped through the book...I didn't sit down and read that carefully. Is this book saying that the sword Dane is using is the real ebony blade now?

yes it is. it often tells him to do bad things. he's found a way, psychologically, to deal with the sword. he's flippant to it. it's not his usual personality; just a front. so the sword has a tougher time influencing him.

[drwho]

yes it is. it often tells him to do bad things. he's found a way, psychologically, to deal with the sword. he's flippant to it. it's not his usual personality; just a front. so the sword has a tougher time influencing him.

Didn't the writer admit in an interview that this wasn't the real ebony blade, or did I imagine that?

[DDM]

True.

And ok, I see that the ring of standing stones where Brian became Captain Britain was also referred to as 'The Siege Perilous'. That makes a bit more sense. But shouldn't be located in Cheviot Hills, unless that's where Darkmoore's located. Maybe someone who knows the are can clarify.

When Donald Pierce "destroyed" the Siege Perilous in Uncanny X-Men #251, it went back to Otherworld. I believe the Siege Perilous is seen in an early issue of Chris Claremont's Fantastic Four when Roma is watching Franklin Richards. The Siege Perilous cannot be destroyed & certainly not by mortal means.

[Young Avenger]

I only flipped through the book...I didn't sit down and read that carefully. Is this book saying that the sword Dane is using is the real ebony blade now?

The only detail given about the sword in this issue is that Dune combats the sword's evilness by acting flipant.

[Guest_1001]

You never know; maybe Dane is imagining the whole thing and he's convince himself it MUST be the real sword. You know, because it'd be stupid to think someone could break into his house, steal it, impersonate Dane, go to Wakanda . . .

. . . I'll stop now, even if it the beginning was a valid point; Dane could very easily have changed his mind. His words in New Excalibur were "Somehow, the sword I touched in Camelot and this one are not the same". I know this seems like a cop-out argument, given what we know, but years had passed between Camelot and the present day so Dane could easily assume its effects had gone over time.

Not that I wouldn't like to see all this resolved . . .

[XPac]

You never know; maybe Dane is imagining the whole thing and he's convince himself it MUST be the real sword. You know, because it'd be stupid to think someone could break into his house, steal it, impersonate Dane, go to Wakanda . . .

. . . I'll stop now, even if it the beginning was a valid point; Dane could very easily have changed his mind. His words in New Excalibur were "Somehow, the sword I touched in Camelot and this one are not the same". I know this seems like a cop-out argument, given what we know, but years had passed between Camelot and the present day so Dane could easily assume its effects had gone over time.

Not that I wouldn't like to see all this resolved . . .

If I were Dane, I'd almost rather have the fake than the real one.

The real one has a curse afterall. With the fake, he might actually be able to slash people.

[Monty_Cristo]

You never know; maybe Dane is imagining the whole thing and he's convince himself it MUST be the real sword. You know, because it'd be stupid to think someone could break into his house, steal it, impersonate Dane, go to Wakanda . . .

. . . I'll stop now, even if it the beginning was a valid point; Dane could very easily have changed his mind. His words in New Excalibur were "Somehow, the sword I touched in Camelot and this one are not the same". I know this seems like a cop-out argument, given what we know, but years had passed between Camelot and the present day so Dane could easily assume its effects had gone over time.

Not that I wouldn't like to see all this resolved . . .


could be that his flipant comment was actually him being flipant; lying about the sword. :smile:

[Christopher O]

I thought everything was pretty good. The art was nice. The pace was nice. The characterization and dialogue got a little a weird in places, but overall I liked it.

Now, I've always hated Spifire. Always. Never have I read a version of the character that appealed to me, and then I read this issue. I loved it. She had the best lines (along with John) and the coolest scenes. I want more Spitfire.

[Monty_Cristo]

i wonder if she'll change her name to Spitblood.

[bkdane]

I only flipped through the book...I didn't sit down and read that carefully. Is this book saying that the sword Dane is using is the real ebony blade now?

He said he feels it tugging at him so he at least thinks it's the real thing.

I enjoyed the book so I am sticking with it for the long haul.

[ultramandingo]

.......... kinda nutty only john the skrull survived the beatle skrull reunion - wonder if there is a yoko skrull - helterskellter !

[Tobias March]

Awesomesauce...

[HepOne]

.......... kinda nutty only john the skrull survived the beatle skrull reunion - wonder if there is a yoko skrull - helterskellter !

If I recall correctly there was a Kree Yoko Ono with a Kreeish name in Wisdom.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Didn't the writer admit in an interview that this wasn't the real ebony blade, or did I imagine that?

Cornell said that as far as Dane is concerned he BELIEVES it is the real thing, because it's telling him to do nasty things. It doesn't mean that it IS. I mean Brian knows T'Challa has an ebony blade of his own. It's bound to come up in conversation at some point.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If I recall correctly there was a Kree Yoko Ono with a Kreeish name in Wisdom.

Yup, there certainly was. That made me laugh so hard. :biggrin:

[Grarn]

Long time lurker finally unlurking.

All I can say is, fantastic!!

This was really good I thought. This coming from someone who isn't really that familiar with Cap Brit or any of the hero ongoings in the UK.But I really thought this was well written and adds another nice element to Secret Invasion and works really well as a tie-in. Also?

Man oh man if they didnt really make the skrulls QUITE scary and insidious. Holy crap!

And what is Spitfire's deal? I am not familiar with this character at all. Is she like a hot marvel zombie that doesnt have rotted flesh? Because what was up with her ripping skrull throats out with her teeth? :confused:

Is that her power? Ripping throats out with her jaw?

Cause if so? That's awesome! :smile:

[Monty_Cristo]

Long time lurker finally unlurking.

All I can say is, fantastic!!

This was really good I thought. This coming from someone who isn't really that familiar with Cap Brit or any of the hero ongoings in the UK.But I really thought this was well written and adds another nice element to Secret Invasion and works really well as a tie-in. Also?

Man oh man if they didnt really make the skrulls QUITE scary and insidious. Holy crap!

And what is Spitfire's deal? I am not familiar with this character at all. Is she like a hot marvel zombie that doesnt have rotted flesh? Because what was up with her ripping skrull throats out with her teeth? :confused:

Is that her power? Ripping throats out with her jaw?

Cause if so? That's awesome! :smile:

vampirism. most of her backstory now involves vampires. her uncle, son, and grandson are vampires, as well. we've only just now discovered that she too has the affliction. anyways, Jacqueline Falsworth aka Spitfire was a WWII-era superheroine; she was one of the Invaders. she gained her superspeed powers after getting a blood transfusion from Jim Hammond aka the original Human Torch. she needed that transfusion because her uncle, the original Baron Blood (guy that captain america beheaded w/ his shield) sucked her dry. Hammond's blood also retarded her age. that's why she doesn't look like an old lady. she also recently ended her relationship with the current Union Jack; a vampire hunter who was also best friends with her son.

Cornell said that as far as Dane is concerned he BELIEVES it is the real thing, because it's telling him to do nasty things. It doesn't mean that it IS. I mean Brian knows T'Challa has an ebony blade of his own. It's bound to come up in conversation at some point.

maybe his sword is a skrull.

[Novaya Havoc]

Bought and read it. Give the issue a solid B.

I hate to link to the title that should NOT BE NAMED but when I read this issue, I felt lost. Again. New Excalibur did this with Avalon, magic, and Captain Britain and it's done it to me again.

BUT! What it did set up was a proper rallying cry - defending the UK from Skrulls - and brought a good mix of characters to the fore who have a reason to be together: the British government.

I don't think that starting the title with the Lennon Skrull was a good move. Most people Stateside don't care about the Beatles and it just kind of read "huhbuhwha?" And the jumping into magic/Seige Perilous (que?!)/et al came across as jarring.

I would have preferred a bit more backstory on this "magic" and Captain Britain to feel properly immersed in the first mission. Skrulls and superheroes I get. Magic and swords and all that is still very much nebulous. So unveiling this a TAD slower would have been better for a casual reader like myself.

But I love the heroes. Wisdom seems like he'll be so much better under Cornell. FAIZA IS GOING TO BE MY HOMEGIRL. Black Knight came off well, Brian was clunky Brian but there is hope, and Spitfire said the word "Fabulous"! I'm sold on that diva.

I just felt like I jumped into an Issue #2 than an Issue #1. But there's promise.

Art was solid.

Solid B, but could have been a better introductory issue.

[bkdane]

Cornell said that as far as Dane is concerned he BELIEVES it is the real thing, because it's telling him to do nasty things. It doesn't mean that it IS. I mean Brian knows T'Challa has an ebony blade of his own. It's bound to come up in conversation at some point.

This link to the Black Panther SI tie in shows him with a sword which may be one of the Ebony Blade's being used around the Marvel U :

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16415

[drwho]

Cornell said that as far as Dane is concerned he BELIEVES it is the real thing, because it's telling him to do nasty things. It doesn't mean that it IS. I mean Brian knows T'Challa has an ebony blade of his own. It's bound to come up in conversation at some point.

Well this still needs to be cleared up because in New Excalibur Dane was aware the blade in his possession was not the original.

[Old No.7]

Well this still needs to be cleared up because in New Excalibur Dane was aware the blade in his possession was not the original.

It's best they don't even acknowledge New Excalibur. Is it REALLY that big a deal?

[Novaya Havoc]

It's best they don't even acknowledge New Excalibur. Is it REALLY that big a deal?

Agreed. Like major.

[ultramandingo]

I don't think that starting the title with the Lennon Skrull was a good move. Most people Stateside don't care about the Beatles


.........yeah , it shoulda been a peter tork skrull - google it

[Skytheen]

that's hilarious. and I didn't even need to google it. what a strange show that was to grow up to. :redface:

[CaptainCanada]

The successor to New Excalibur has arrived, and it thankfully looks much more like Wisdom than it does New Excalibur.

It’s a strong debut issue, with good action (some of the Skrull power combinations are fun), a few character hooks (such as whatever’s going on with Jackie; really, though, Lady Falsworth-Crichton, what would your father say if he knew you were a vampire?), and a good cliffhanger ending (though, his name’s on the book, so I wouldn’t be too worried).

Leonard Kirk’s art is fantastic here; the best I’ve ever seen from him.

Kinda bummed they killed the other Skrull Beatles.

[Grarn]

Jacqueline Falsworth aka Spitfire was a WWII-era superheroine; she was one of the Invaders. she gained her superspeed powers after getting a blood transfusion from Jim Hammond aka the original Human Torch.

Ahhh, no wonder she did look a little familiar, as I had just finished reading Avengers/Invaders #1 a few days ago. I had wondered what had happened to her if she didnt make it to present MU with the others. Now I know.


anyways, I am definitely on board for the rest of this mini or as long as it tie-ins into SI or even after if it is indeed not just a mini.

[Omega Alpha]

Very good surprise. The John Lennon Skrull was funny, and the book had a Ultimates (the Millar kind) feel into it, with the big battles with Skrulls, lots of corpses, etc. Count me interested in see where this goes.

[Fatguy]

AWESOME. What an excellent first issue, one of the better action comics I've read in a while. Even Black Knight's dreadful new costume wasn't a bother.

[Venom Melendez]

.........yeah , it shoulda been a peter tork skrull - google it


Eh, it's for the best, eventually some Kree Yoko ono would have broken them up.

[Hi-Fi]

This was really great. Good action, interesting story and fun dialogue. I'm in love with Cornell's Spitfire and Black Knight. Art was competent. Kudos to the team.

[mikekerr3]

Loved the Doctor, the ladie had guts even if she didn't make it through the whole issue. She was the real "hero" of this story.

[Bingo!]

I'm very happy with this title and look forward to the next one. The team dynamic looks very promising. Spitfire chewing Skrull necks hooked me. Cap punching Skrull heads off their body humored me. Lennon Skrull might very well be my new favorite unhero. How could anyone not know who Lennon was?

Couple questions:

Any ideas as to the voice is Pete hearing? Roma? Saturnyne?

Did Brian get blasted into the Siege Perilous? If he was is there anyone on the other side he could bring back to help? Or was he, as the voice implied, sacrificed to save it?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Man oh man if they didnt really make the skrulls QUITE scary and insidious. Holy crap!

And they should BE! :biggrin: Scary as hell, and deadly difficult to dispose of. I haven't really got that from the main SI series, yet. But here? Well Kirk draws chaos so incredibly well.

And what is Spitfire's deal? I am not familiar with this character at all. Is she like a hot marvel zombie that doesnt have rotted flesh? Because what was up with her ripping skrull throats out with her teeth?

Is that her power? Ripping throats out with her jaw?

Cause if so? That's awesome! :smile:

Lol. Spitfire is one of the Invaders from WW2, along with Captain America, Namor or The Human Torch (Jim Hammond - the original one). Her Uncle was the British Nazi sympathiser and Vampire - Baron Blood.

Blood actually turned Spitfire into a Vampire before her joining The Invaders. She was temporary cured via a blood transfusion from the Torch. That gave her her powers of flight. She fought with The Invaders, but as the years went by she aged, and eventually retired. She was in her 60s when she required a second transfusion from the Torch. That transfusion had a very interesting side effect - it totally rejuvenated her - which is why she's now looking like she's in her 20s again.

With the vampiracy seemingly having returned once more, and with Hammond now dead, she'll need to find somebody else to cure her.

Bought and read it. Give the issue a solid B.

I hate to link to the title that should NOT BE NAMED but when I read this issue, I felt lost. Again. New Excalibur did this with Avalon, magic, and Captain Britain and it's done it to me again.

That's a shame, Ben. I guess that while this issue probably wasn't TOO continuity reliant, if you don't know the basics of the mythos you might feel a little lost.

All you really need to know is that the Siege Perilous is a big stone circle where people get made into Captain Britains. It's a direct route to Otherworld and all those alternate Universe - so as you can image that's two reason the Skrulls might want it.

BUT! What it did set up was a proper rallying cry - defending the UK from Skrulls - and brought a good mix of characters to the fore who have a reason to be together: the British government.

It does seem to have that hit the ground running feel, down pretty well then? Good.

I don't think that starting the title with the Lennon Skrull was a good move. Most people Stateside don't care about the Beatles and it just kind of read "huhbuhwha?" And the jumping into magic/Seige Perilous (que?!)/et al came across as jarring.

You know, the weird thing is, every time I've been to the States, at some point somebody has asked me if I 'Know The Beatles' :biggrin: You know, like this Country is so small they'd actually be my neighbours or something!

I'd say this was actually the perfect start. Anybody who read Wisdom will know exactly what's going on, and the fact that there is a Skrull working for British intelligence is such a clear thing to start off by addressing.

And come on! How can you NOT love Wisdom cutting a guy in half?

I'm hoping that with Grimshaw gone they replace him with somebody like lance Hunter. He'd be a good choice to be running the show from now on.

I would have preferred a bit more backstory on this "magic" and Captain Britain to feel properly immersed in the first mission. Skrulls and superheroes I get. Magic and swords and all that is still very much nebulous. So unveiling this a TAD slower would have been better for a casual reader like myself.

Maybe, yeah. Although, from Cornell's comments in interviews I get the feeling that this will be drawing a close on the Otherworld stuff for a while, after this, and the bulk concentration from hereon in will be on Cap in relation purely to 616 Britain.

And let's be honest - Claremont did kinda mess up a lot of the Otherworld stuff earlier this year anyway. We're probably better off having a break from it, yeah?

But I love the heroes. Wisdom seems like he'll be so much better under Cornell. FAIZA IS GOING TO BE MY HOMEGIRL. Black Knight came off well, Brian was clunky Brian but there is hope, and Spitfire said the word "Fabulous"! I'm sold on that diva.

Lol! And a seemingly immortal Diva at that. She got old once - it didn't last. :biggrin:

I just felt like I jumped into an Issue #2 than an Issue #1. But there's promise.

I think that I like the idea of hitting the ground running with this one, though. It assumes you know the world is being invaded, and just gets on with it. But I can understand where you're coming from on this. I've been reading stories set in this corner of the MU all my life. Others who haven't may appreciate it a bit more info. The Siege Perilous in particular seems to be confusing a few folks.

Art was solid.

Solid B, but could have been a better introductory issue.

Glad you mostly enjoyed it. I have to say the Leonard Kirk artwork has totally blown me away.

This link to the Black Panther SI tie in shows him with a sword which may be one of the Ebony Blade's being used around the Marvel U :

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16415

He's definitely still got that blade... You know, I can't wait to see a Dane/T'Challa face off. that HAS to happen in one of these books sooner or later. Dane, T'Challa and Brian all know each other - it could be a plausible story.

Well this still needs to be cleared up because in New Excalibur Dane was aware the blade in his possession was not the original.

I don't know if he was sure of it, but he did want to go and investigate it, didn't he? I dunno. I think a lot of New Excalibur is best left buried, right now. If this sword is manipulating Dane I want to read more.

AWESOME. What an excellent first issue, one of the better action comics I've read in a while. Even Black Knight's dreadful new costume wasn't a bother.

Well, it's not really a costume, is it? It's him out-of-costume, but yeah.

Any ideas as to the voice is Pete hearing? Roma? Saturnyne?

After reading the solicit for #2 I think in all likelihood it will be 'The Lady' - as in of the lake? If Excalibur (The blade) is going to be offered up again, you know Britain is in hefty trouble. The only question is to who is going to be given the task of wielding the blade.

I have my theory...

Did Brian get blasted into the Siege Perilous? If he was is there anyone on the other side he could bring back to help? Or was he, as the voice implied, sacrificed to save it?

If he passes through the Siege he should wind up in Otherworld. He could bring the whole Corps back with him. Who knows, though? We'll have to wait and see.

[Guest_1001]

I don't think that starting the title with the Lennon Skrull was a good move. Most people Stateside don't care about the Beatles and it just kind of read "huhbuhwha?"

Actually, since I read Wisdom, I think those opening few panels were a better introduction to the character than many of us had in most of Wisdom. Not that he wasn't characterised well, or enough (in fact, he had a cracking opening line), but CB&MI:13 was quick to the point and did well letting us know who it was.

I think "most people" Stateside is too unfair a generalisation. Personally, I don't particularly care about the Beatles and think John is great.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Actually, since I read Wisdom, I think those opening few panels were a better introduction to the character than many of us had in most of Wisdom. Not that he wasn't characterised well, or enough (in fact, he had a cracking opening line), but CB&MI:13 was quick to the point and did well letting us know who it was.

I think "most people" Stateside is too unfair a generalisation. Personally, I don't particularly care about the Beatles and think John is great.

From seeing those pages in the preview I agree. It establishes what you need to know. There's a Skrull Invasion going on, there's actually a Skrull in the employ of the British Government, he's being tortured Guantanamo style, but - as it turns out - the British official doing it is actually a Skrull.

I like that.

[worstblogever]

The successor to New Excalibur has arrived, and it thankfully looks much more like Wisdom than it does New Excalibur.

It’s a strong debut issue, with good action (some of the Skrull power combinations are fun), a few character hooks (such as whatever’s going on with Jackie; really, though, Lady Falsworth-Crichton, what would your father say if he knew you were a vampire?), and a good cliffhanger ending (though, his name’s on the book, so I wouldn’t be too worried).

Leonard Kirk’s art is fantastic here; the best I’ve ever seen from him.

Kinda bummed they killed the other Skrull Beatles.

Spitfire was bitten by Baron Blood, as well, though. That's why she needed the blood transfusion from Human Torch. This just makes it look like she might be seeing some development in the vampiric bite she got decades ago.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Spitfire was bitten by Baron Blood, as well, though. That's why she needed the blood transfusion from Human Torch. This just makes it look like she might be seeing some development in the vampiric bite she got decades ago.

I don't think that the Torch's transfusion was a permanent cure. I don't recall the actual reason she had the second transfusion from Hammond, too well. Can anybody else remember the exact circumstances?

[Loki]

I don't think that the Torch's transfusion was a permanent cure. I don't recall the actual reason she had the second transfusion from Hammond, too well. Can anybody else remember the exact circumstances?

She'd been shot trying to stop an aging German scientist create a new Master Man.

Oh, and Brian couldn't count on the Corps helping stop a Skrull invasion. Many would consider the invasion of Earth on a single world unimportant, and at least some of the Corps are aliens, presumably from worlds where aliens successfully invaded. Indeed, one of the Corps we've seen IS a Skrull.

http://alternity.jakanapes.com/images/Excalibur/49/CaptainSkrull.jpg
Skrull Lord, Colony UK7

[Frank]

Very disapointed. It was WAY too light. It felt like a Champions book or something. All the edge that was in the Wisdom series seem to be gone. That was why I was happy with Cornell doing this because he had done the ideal mix of British flavors as far as high concept, cynical attitude and interesting dialogue. No cheesy things like "I want to bring hero back". What is this Wisdom turning into Donnie Osmond? His "official look" also doesn't fit him, I prefer more recent "messy" Pete. Leonard Kirk make him look like Micheal J. Fox.

Finaly we still have the same problem with Alistaire that we had in the last series.

I'm on board because i've been looking for a British super-hero book in a while but hopefully Cornell will get his balls back before the 5th issue, at least.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

She'd been shot trying to stop an aging German scientist create a new Master Man.

Ah, yes! I had a feeling it involved a villain I wasn't too familliar with, Thanks for that, Loki.

Oh, and Brian couldn't count on the Corps helping stop a Skrull invasion. Many would consider the invasion of Earth on a single world unimportant, and at least some of the Corps are aliens, presumably from worlds where aliens successfully invaded. Indeed, one of the Corps we've seen IS a Skrull.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/headshots/cap-skrull.jpg
Skrull Lord, Colony UK7

Arguably, no. But it depends. If The Skrulls try to use the Siege to invade Otherworld they won't have choice. We'll have to wait and see. I do think though, thaat if the whole world was under a genuine threat of genocide then they might intervene. But it's Saturnyne running the show, now, with Albion at her side. I don't think either can really be said to have any real 'love' for 616... :biggrin:

Very disapointed. It was WAY too light. It felt like a Champions book or something. All the edge that was in the Wisdom series seem to be gone. That was why I was happy with Cornell doing this because he had done the ideal mix of British flavors as far as high concept, cynical attitude and interesting dialogue.

Frank? This was the first part of a larger story. We're working with a different format to Wisdom, from a structure POV. This issue has to set things up, and showcase the characters involved. This was just the start. Cut them a little slack! :biggrin:

No cheesy things like "I want to bring hero back". What is this Wisdom turning into Donnie Osmond? His "official look" also doesn't fit him, I prefer more recent "messy" Pete. Leonard Kirk make him look like Micheal J. Fox.

I think he's looking a lot more like Pacheco Wisdom, from Excalibur. Works okay with me.

Finaly we still have the same problem with Alistaire that we had in the last series.

Somebody raised that over at Millarworld and Cornell responded, a little confused. He asked whether people were confusing Stuart with Gordon Brown - because Alistaire had his hair back. He also says that they will be addressing the aging issue in a future story, down the line.

I'm on board because i've been looking for a British super-hero book in a while but hopefully Cornell will get his balls back before the 5th issue, at least.

I think that's a bit harsh. This is a Secret Invasion tie-in. Once we're out of that the stories will probably be far more to your taste.

In other news iFanboy made this book their Pick of the Week:

http://www.ifanboy.com/content/potw/05_14_2008_-_Captain_Britain_and_MI_13__1

[SeritoNiN]

Didn't like this book at all. My biggest gripe (I won''t go through them all) is that the "invasion" felt very small in the book, almost like it was just another day of beating up super-villains, the skrulls weren't all mighty and powerful, they were basically, getting their asses handed to them, until the last page. It just felt like an ordinary day, it didn't feel like an "event". Not touching this series again until the invasion part is over for it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Didn't like this book at all. My biggest gripe (I won''t go through them all) is that the "invasion" felt very small in the book, almost like it was just another day of beating up super-villains, the skrulls weren't all mighty and powerful, they were basically, getting their asses handed to them, until the last page. It just felt like an ordinary day, it didn't feel like an "event". Not touching this series again until the invasion part is over for it.

I'd totally disagree. This was showing a City under siege, with the kind of intensity and scale which Secret Invasion has so far failed to deliver in the other books.

This is supposed to be an actual INVASION, and the maliciousn nature of this attack, and then the Skrulls subsequent change of tactics really covered that in the way I wish it was been played out in the main series.

In what kind of world does this ever happen in London on a day-to-day basis? Seriously?

[Guest_1001]

Didn't like this book at all. My biggest gripe (I won''t go through them all) is that the "invasion" felt very small in the book, almost like it was just another day of beating up super-villains, the skrulls weren't all mighty and powerful, they were basically, getting their asses handed to them, until the last page. It just felt like an ordinary day, it didn't feel like an "event". Not touching this series again until the invasion part is over for it.

I felt the opposite but what you just described was how I felt about Secret Invasion #2. For this, I thought it felt like a proper invasion. Emergency services in the streets, Skrull ships and machines and amalgam Super-Skrulls. It all felt very chaotic and, while the whole "who is a Skrull" conversation works fine elsewhere, I'm pleased to see people actually FIGHTING the invading bastards instead of chatting to them.

[Boogie]

Didn't like this book at all. My biggest gripe (I won''t go through them all) is that the "invasion" felt very small in the book, almost like it was just another day of beating up super-villains, the skrulls weren't all mighty and powerful, they were basically, getting their asses handed to them, until the last page. It just felt like an ordinary day, it didn't feel like an "event". Not touching this series again until the invasion part is over for it.

You may have missed the part where they spoke of how wide spread it was across the country. They speak of Union Jack and Captain Midlands off in another part of London securing strategic targets there. There are not as many Super Heroes in the UK as in the US. They also discover what the Skrull's true target is in Britain, the Siege Perilous. I suggest giving it another read.

My favorite part of the book:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/helovesyou.jpg
Quite cheese, but it still made me laugh out loud.

For those of you who do not like the way Wisdom is being portrayed, give it time. He is a little more clean cut right now because he was just put in charge of all the super heroes in the UK, and he is trying to act all proper to the role. Before that scene he sliced a skrull in half!
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/wisdom.jpg
I am sure after the invasion is over, he will go back to being the dick that we all love.

[Guest_1001]

For Wisdom's portrayal, I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, at least for the moment. Duty is duty and Pete has always been about that. Fair enough, he could have made a good-natured jab at Cap rather than being totally nice or his traditional malicious . . . "dickishness" but hey, he's allowed to grow a little . . .

And his final comment in the issue -- "I s'pose I just about told him, I love what he's for" -- says so much on so many levels. Essentially, Cap and Pete have the same aims and goals but Pete is also slightly hesitant to admit it. It wouldn't be Pete if he wasn't. The kind of guy who is used to wisecracks is still allowed to make the occasional nice comment and to be honest, it was somewhat overdue . . .

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Boogie? Those John the Skrull panels are great! :biggrin:

[Boogie]

For Wisdom's portrayal, I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, at least for the moment. Duty is duty and Pete has always been about that. Fair enough, he could have made a good-natured jab at Cap rather than being totally nice or his traditional malicious . . . "dickishness" but hey, he's allowed to grow a little . . .

And his final comment in the issue -- "I s'pose I just about told him, I love what he's for" -- says so much on so many levels. Essentially, Cap and Pete have the same aims and goals but Pete is also slightly hesitant to admit it. It wouldn't be Pete if he wasn't. The kind of guy who is used to wisecracks is still allowed to make the occasional nice comment and to be honest, it was somewhat overdue . . .

So true, and i think Kirk protrays that perfectly in the expression in Pete's face when he decides to let Brian know that he is hearing voices and he thinks it's about him. It's a kind of reluctance, but knows it has to be said. It's a nice step in their relationship.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/wisdom1.jpg



Boogie? Those John the Skrull panels are great! :biggrin:

One more just for you ;) :
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/helterskelter.jpg

And also, for those of you who would ever doubt Captain Britain's awesomeness:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/cbchampions.jpg
Takes out the Champions-Skrull by using the Iceman hand on the Ghost Rider Head and then smashing it. Brilliant. I loved the action in this book.

[Scavenger]

she gained her superspeed powers after getting a blood transfusion from Jim Hammond aka the original Human Torch. she needed that transfusion because her uncle, the original Baron Blood (guy that captain america beheaded w/ his shield) sucked her dry. Hammond's blood also retarded her age. that's why she doesn't look like an old lady.

How do you get blood transfusions from an android?

she also recently ended her relationship with the current Union Jack; a vampire hunter who was also best friends with her son.


Vampire hunter? MILF hunter more like:biggrin:


On Wisdom...He was always shown as clean cut til the mini-series, generaly. He's a British agent, by way of Warren Ellis' John Constantine fixation. (As for making snark at Brian...there's times to take the piss..there's times not. When a guy says "I'm gonna go sacrifice my life to stop the end of the world" it's not the time:) )

[RonnieThunderbolts]

How do you get blood transfusions from an android?



Vampire hunter? MILF hunter more like:biggrin:

How do you get an android blood transfusion? In a hokey retro-Golden Age story by Roy Thomas in the 70's.

Hammond's blood also retarded her age. that's why she doesn't look like an old lady.

Actually, she WAS an old lady in Namor's early 90's series by John Byrne, and a SECOND transfusion from Hammond restored her age. A little detail/wrinkle, but worth mentioning.

On Wisdom...He was always shown as clean cut til the mini-series, generaly. He's a British agent, by way of Warren Ellis' John Constantine fixation. (As for making snark at Brian...there's times to take the piss..there's times not. When a guy says "I'm gonna go sacrifice my life to stop the end of the world" it's not the time:) )

Nah, he was scruffy in his first appearances in Excalibur, and they made a point to call his suits wrinkled. He's always had a neat or trimmer hair style I'd agree, but he'd also sport Harrison Ford style stubble and a messy, untucked, loosened tie look as well.

[StoneGold]

As someone who read the last mini, but doesn't read Excalibur, I'd say the book kicked ass. Although the Spitfire rendition was a little odd, given that she's supposed to be getting a little older again, and the throat ripping with the teeth was kind of odd. But for the overall course of the book, screw it, fun stuff.


I will agree though with the comment about starting off with Skrull John being a little odd, but for a different reason. One, given the character has only appeared in the previous, not-that-widely-read, not-connected-to-a-massive-summer-event mini, he's a tad on the obscure side. There's going to be a larger audience this time around, between the Secret Invasion tie-in, and Captain Britain's name on the cover. Let's put it this way, if this was some kind of big Avengers revival, it's odd to lead with Silverclaw.

Two, even with the art in the original mini, if you hadn't told me that was supposed to be Lennon, I wouldn't have realized it from the art. Either Kirk's photoreferencing skills aren't strong enough, or it isn't an iconic enough rendition of Lennon. Or a bit of both.


Also, no Captain Midlands yet. What the hell? Lead with your strengths!!!!

[StoneGold]

Sorry, one other minor complaint. Black Knight going "Tch." Because that's purely a British writer thing, and it just looks really odd coming from the mouth of any American character. I thought he was going all Madonna on us, with a bad British accent. But that's more a complaint about British writers in general. I'm sure the same complaint is made in opposite, with American writers sticking in purely American phrases in British mouths.

[mikekerr3]

Sorry, one other minor complaint. Black Knight going "Tch." Because that's purely a British writer thing, and it just looks really odd coming from the mouth of any American character. I thought he was going all Madonna on us, with a bad British accent. But that's more a complaint about British writers in general. I'm sure the same complaint is made in opposite, with American writers sticking in purely American phrases in British mouths.

Some thing are chatchining, It took ne quite a while to drop G'day:smile:

[Guest_1001]

Sorry, one other minor complaint. Black Knight going "Tch." Because that's purely a British writer thing, and it just looks really odd coming from the mouth of any American character. I thought he was going all Madonna on us, with a bad British accent. But that's more a complaint about British writers in general. I'm sure the same complaint is made in opposite, with American writers sticking in purely American phrases in British mouths.

I've found it's something different; American writers putting stereotypical British phrases in British mouths. If you see the phrase "bloomin' 'eck", avoid.

[rwhknight]

I really didn't enjoy this at all. I am truly disappointed. The art was fine but the story didn't really impress me. Since when does Black Knight come off cocky? It seems like the writer was trying to write him like he was Hawkeye or just making a stereotype that Americans are brash and crass characters. I didn't even recgonize that character as Dane. Well I will give it one more issue after that we shall see.

[Fatguy]

Well, it's not really a costume, is it? It's him out-of-costume, but yeah.



I thought that WAS his costume now, a leather jacket and helmet.

[Old No.7]

I really didn't enjoy this at all. I am truly disappointed. The art was fine but the story didn't really impress me. Since when does Black Knight come off cocky? It seems like the writer was trying to write him like he was Hawkeye or just making a stereotype that Americans are brash and crass characters. I didn't even recgonize that character as Dane. Well I will give it one more issue after that we shall see.

There's an explanation in the story for why that is.

[sdman619]

This did not impress me too much as far as first issues go. I am slightly annoyed that there is a whole conversation about Dane's ebony sword when last we knew it isnt the real ebony sword. I did like the mention of all the other UK heroes working for IM13 whether they like it or not.

I feel the same way. With people saying that Cornell is a self-proclaimed continuity lover he is already choosing to ignore the fact that Dane said in New Excalibur that he knew he didn't have the original Ebony Blade, but in one issue he is already ignoring continuity.:rolleyes: Off to a great start. And I don't who he was writing but that sure did not sound like Dane Whitman.

[rwhknight]

There's an explanation in the story for why that is.

It is just an explanation so he can write the character he wants not how the character that has been portrayed for 30 yrs or so. It is a cop out. I miss Roger Stern and Kurt Busiek, writers that could write a character without having to change the character to suit their own needs. What a crock.

[Old No.7]

It is just an explanation so he can write the character he wants not how the character that has been portrayed for 30 yrs or so. It is a cop out. I miss Roger Stern and Kurt Busiek, writers that could write a character without having to change the character to suit their own needs. What a crock.

Well I disagree, it gave a perfectly valid explanation imo and he also still showed the other side of Dane in this writing. Seems to work.

[Guest_1001]

I don't see how Dane sounded brash or crass at all. If anything, he sounded like the smartest person in the book, with a wry comment or two thrown in for good measure.

I feel the same way. With people saying that Cornell is a self-proclaimed continuity lover he is already choosing to ignore the fact that Dane said in New Excalibur that he knew he didn't have the original Ebony Blade, but in one issue he is already ignoring continuity.:rolleyes: Off to a great start. And I don't who he was writing but that sure did not sound like Dane Whitman.

That wouldn't be why Dane said "It's more like a character I'm playing", would it?

I love it when people ignore valid and informative facts when they don't support their argument. It's great. And pretty much everything said about the Ebony Blade has already been said.

[Loki]

I feel the same way. With people saying that Cornell is a self-proclaimed continuity lover he is already choosing to ignore the fact that Dane said in New Excalibur that he knew he didn't have the original Ebony Blade, but in one issue he is already ignoring continuity.:rolleyes: Off to a great start. And I don't who he was writing but that sure did not sound like Dane Whitman.
I chatted with Paul at the weekend. He is most definitely NOT ignoring continuity.

[sdman619]

I chatted with Paul at the weekend. He is most definitely NOT ignoring continuity.

Uh huh. What are you his caddy?

[Loki]

Uh huh. What are you his caddy?

He was at the Bristol Comics Expo. I write for the Handbooks, so as a fellow Marvel freelancer, and a continuity specialist, he shared a little of his plans with me - which I clearly am not going to share here - and as I said, he is in no way ignoring continuity. He's one of the most continuity conscious writers I've met.

[Fatguy]

Uh huh. What are you his caddy?

Right...because nobody ever talks to comic creators, right?

They're all reclusive superstars!

[Guest_1001]

Wasn't Paul signing copies of the book this week . . . ?
On the week before his mainstream comic debut, wouldn't he be hovering at comic book stores . . . ?
And (just to play on the gullibility of people who don't live in London, myself included) England is a small country so London must be tiny . . .

[Boogie]

Why Dane is acting the way he is:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/dane1.jpg
and
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/dane2.jpg

It pretty much says it all.

As for the continuity of it all; sure Dane realizes that this isn't the true ebony blade, but it does seem to have some power or he wouldnt be using it. It also appears to have the curse on it so it may be some form of the original blade, another dimension, different voodoo on it, whatever. Perhaps the one that Black Panther has is the true one and this is a great set up for a latter confrontation between the two. As we've seen in the previews of Jason Aaron's Black Panther SI tie-in, BP is using the Ebony Blade to hold off the Skrulls. Both of them, using their respective blades at the same time... sounds like a good set up to me!

[drwho]

I don't see how Dane sounded brash or crass at all. If anything, he sounded like the smartest person in the book, with a wry comment or two thrown in for good measure.



That wouldn't be why Dane said "It's more like a character I'm playing", would it?

I love it when people ignore valid and informative facts when they don't support their argument. It's great. And pretty much everything said about the Ebony Blade has already been said.

The writer left it vague so until there is actual clear confirmation in the comic that says I know this isnt the ebony blade one should not assume why a writer gave the character the dialogue they did. Dane didn't say no this isn't that ebony blade so why as a reader should we assume that it isn't the ebony blade and Dane knows it?

[Mr.EZ]

Finally got a chance to read this and I liked it very much. Great followup to the Wisdom series, and I look forward to the coming issues.

[Xero]

We finally have English heroes being written by an English writer. Now find some Canucks to relaunch Alpha Flight, a Russian writer to take on a Bogatyri (Russian Fantastic Four) mini-series and I'll be very very happy.

[static]

when the Gatherers came into 616 from an alternate reality their Black Knight (Proctor) had an Ebony Blade that existed in the same time and reality as the 616's BlackKnight. When he was killed- there now existed 2 "real" ebony blades in the 616....

Dane questions wheter this is the "real" one- his original or the alternate reality copy -like trying to tell the difference between identical twins....

[static]

when the Gatherers came into 616 from an alternate reality their Black Knight (Proctor) had an Ebony Blade that existed in the same time and reality as the 616's BlackKnight. When he was killed- there now existed 2 "real" ebony blades in the 616....

Dane questions wheter this is the "real" one- his original or the alternate reality copy -like trying to tell the difference between identical twins....

[The Cool Thatguy]

when the Gatherers came into 616 from an alternate reality their Black Knight (Proctor) had an Ebony Blade that existed in the same time and reality as the 616's BlackKnight. When he was killed- there now existed 2 "real" ebony blades in the 616....

Dane questions wheter this is the "real" one- his original or the alternate reality copy -like trying to tell the difference between identical twins....

Except that one has a connection to his soul and could activate a blood curse and the other can't. Kinda like on of the twins having an STD or somethin' :tongue:

[Guest_1001]

And we don't know if that alternate universe Ebony Blade is the same one Dane has now or not. Which means there could be a third.

. . . If I remember some of the old Black Knight discussions on this board correctly, there may also be a fourth or fifth. If all of this gets sorted out, Dane will have a cutlery drawer of Ebony Blades . . .

[StoneGold]

I really didn't enjoy this at all. I am truly disappointed. The art was fine but the story didn't really impress me. Since when does Black Knight come off cocky? It seems like the writer was trying to write him like he was Hawkeye or just making a stereotype that Americans are brash and crass characters. I didn't even recgonize that character as Dane. Well I will give it one more issue after that we shall see.
You never read him when Harras was writing Avengers, did you? He was a cocky d-bag then, too.

[Britannic]

After first read I felt it was a great book. I like the mention of Lord Hawk and Brian's past battles. The team are coming together nicely already and to start in the middle of the battle was fine by me. I'm sure we will find out about Danes ebony blade sooner rather than later. I would ignore New Excalibur continuity as it was for the most part Excrement. I just wonder what he has planned for Captain Britain after this issue. Will it be down to some one else to take up the mantle? One issue in and I got to wonder for 4 weeks if Braddock has bitten the big one :eek:

[bkdane]

And we don't know if that alternate universe Ebony Blade is the same one Dane has now or not. Which means there could be a third.

. . . If I remember some of the old Black Knight discussions on this board correctly, there may also be a fourth or fifth. If all of this gets sorted out, Dane will have a cutlery drawer of Ebony Blades . . .

This is what I think is happening with all of these Ebony Blades:

1-Bloodwraith has one (the original from Sir Percy?)
2-The Vatican Black Knight (maybe the skrull's have invaded the vatican?) lost his to the Black Panther.
3-The one Dane stated in NEX was not the same one he touched while in Camelot and he may or may not have it now.
4-The one he has now.
5-There is also a dagger made out of the same meteor that the original was made out of by Merlin. The dagger could kill the wielder of the original Ebony Blade.

I have no idea which one of the above might be Proctor's.

As far as CB & MI:13, Paul stated that the readers will know something about something that Dane is wrong about and he will address Dane's past use of the Avalon weapons (sword of light/shield of darkness).

Now all this can go away if someone can give Dane Excalibur in issue #2!

[Monty_Cristo]

You never read him when Harras was writing Avengers, did you? He was a cocky d-bag then, too.

Hawkeye once remarked (in one of Dane's first appearances) that Dane was (not an exact quote) even more of a hot-tempered jerk than himself. and this is when Hawkeye was pretty much known for being a guy gardnerish jerk.


does anyone else think it's kind of stupid to have T'challa wielding the Ebony Blade? like, what's the point? he could be using a vibranium sword and do just as much damage.

[Skytheen]

I thought that WAS his costume now, a leather jacket and helmet.

I like that. In the same way that Jack Knight of Starman didn't really have a costume except for a leather jacket and goggles.

[Monty_Cristo]

Sorry, one other minor complaint. Black Knight going "Tch." Because that's purely a British writer thing, and it just looks really odd coming from the mouth of any American character. I thought he was going all Madonna on us, with a bad British accent. But that's more a complaint about British writers in general. I'm sure the same complaint is made in opposite, with American writers sticking in purely American phrases in British mouths.

Dane has lived in the area for a good chunk of his life. his uncle was british, as well. i don't think it was that unusual. you pick stuff up sometimes.

As someone who read the last mini, but doesn't read Excalibur, I'd say the book kicked ass. Although the Spitfire rendition was a little odd, given that she's supposed to be getting a little older again

vampirism is good for the skin. i think it'd be really...interesting if Jacquie's motivation for letting a vampire bite her was vanity. her aging definately created a rift between her and Joe; that and Jim Hammond.

[Monty_Cristo]

For Wisdom's portrayal, I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, at least for the moment. Duty is duty and Pete has always been about that. Fair enough, he could have made a good-natured jab at Cap rather than being totally nice or his traditional malicious . . . "dickishness" but hey, he's allowed to grow a little . . .

i'm not a big fan of growth when it means less personality. Wolverine's been alive for at least a century and is still a bit of a dick sometimes. that's what i liked about Pete. nothing impressed him. my problem's not with him respecting Captain Britain. i just don't want him kissing Brian's rear. it somewhat flies in the face of who he was as a character. personally, i think the change has more to do with Dane becoming edgy. they didn't want to double up on that archetype.

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/15000/14819/84351-pete-wisdom_400.jpg

and what the flip happened to Alistaire Stuart?!!

[StoneGold]

Dane has lived in the area for a good chunk of his life. his uncle was british, as well. i don't think it was that unusual. you pick stuff up sometimes.


Yeah, but it's not just him. It's a bad habit of several British writers. More specifically when it is used with American characters. I'd be less bitchy about it if I hadn't seen it used a bunch of times before. This is me just getting mildly annoyed by it after seeing it used enough times to bring it up.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

On Wisdom...He was always shown as clean cut til the mini-series, generaly. He's a British agent, by way of Warren Ellis' John Constantine fixation.

Wisdom is nothing like John Constantine. In many ways they are almost negative versions of the same character - In looks and geographical origin. The only actual link is that they are both British. That's pretty vague.

Nah, he was scruffy in his first appearances in Excalibur, and they made a point to call his suits wrinkled. He's always had a neat or trimmer hair style I'd agree, but he'd also sport Harrison Ford style stubble and a messy, untucked, loosened tie look as well.

He was initially, yes. The exception was when Pacheco drew him in Excalibur. He kind of smoothed out the rough edges.

As someone who read the last mini, but doesn't read Excalibur, I'd say the book kicked ass. Although the Spitfire rendition was a little odd, given that she's supposed to be getting a little older again, and the throat ripping with the teeth was kind of odd. But for the overall course of the book, screw it, fun stuff.

Totally. I wish the rest of Secret Invasion would it raise it's game towards this kind of level.

I will agree though with the comment about starting off with Skrull John being a little odd, but for a different reason. One, given the character has only appeared in the previous, not-that-widely-read, not-connected-to-a-massive-summer-event mini, he's a tad on the obscure side. There's going to be a larger audience this time around, between the Secret Invasion tie-in, and Captain Britain's name on the cover. Let's put it this way, if this was some kind of big Avengers revival, it's odd to lead with Silverclaw.

I hear what you're saying, but the bottom line is John IS a Skrull. If you didn't read Wisdom you wouldn't know who Grimshaw was, either. So the fact that he was actually a Skrull might lose a bit of impact. But the one thing I'm hearing from people online and my friend groups is that even if you didn't know the characters too well this book was easily clear enough to know what was going on, and enjoy the ride. And that's coming from a number of guys who are DC fans and barely even READ Marvel books - let alone any of the more obscure British characters.

Two, even with the art in the original mini, if you hadn't told me that was supposed to be Lennon, I wouldn't have realized it from the art. Either Kirk's photoreferencing skills aren't strong enough, or it isn't an iconic enough rendition of Lennon. Or a bit of both.

Really? I thought it was pretty clear.

Also, no Captain Midlands yet. What the hell? Lead with your strengths!!!!

It was stated he was elsewhere in the Country. Probably in the Birmingham area, if his name is anything to go by. :biggrin:

Sorry, one other minor complaint. Black Knight going "Tch." Because that's purely a British writer thing, and it just looks really odd coming from the mouth of any American character. I thought he was going all Madonna on us, with a bad British accent. But that's more a complaint about British writers in general. I'm sure the same complaint is made in opposite, with American writers sticking in purely American phrases in British mouths.

Believe you me, it's made far more often about American writers writing British characters. Don't even star me on Chamber...

But the point you have to remember is that Dane spends a lot of his time in the UK. You pick things like this up, when your among the natives. I do when I'M stateside.

I really didn't enjoy this at all. I am truly disappointed. The art was fine but the story didn't really impress me. Since when does Black Knight come off cocky? It seems like the writer was trying to write him like he was Hawkeye or just making a stereotype that Americans are brash and crass characters. I didn't even recgonize that character as Dane. Well I will give it one more issue after that we shall see.

There is a reason for that. Cornell is doing this intentionally. He's starting wise-cracking for a reason. During his time away the Ebony Blade has really started to mess with him. The wise-cracking is to cover the fact that he may not be as in control of things as he is trying to suggest.

There is going to be a lot of exploring Dane's character on this book, and explaining how he got here.

It is just an explanation so he can write the character he wants not how the character that has been portrayed for 30 yrs or so. It is a cop out. I miss Roger Stern and Kurt Busiek, writers that could write a character without having to change the character to suit their own needs. What a crock.

It's not a crock. Wait and see. This isn't a character change for the sake of it. The last time we saw Dane, Merlyn and Sir Percy told him the blade would drive him insane, but he had to suffer that in order stop it falling into the wrong hands - at all costs. This is following on from that - showing Dane's will beginning to be tested.

He was at the Bristol Comics Expo. I write for the Handbooks, so as a fellow Marvel freelancer, and a continuity specialist, he shared a little of his plans with me - which I clearly am not going to share here - and as I said, he is in no way ignoring continuity. He's one of the most continuity conscious writers I've met.

I can concur with Loki on that. I was one of several people who Paul contacted to confer with when he was writing Wisdom, with regards past appearances and most recent meetings between characters. He's very conscious of continuity, and does his homework.

We finally have English heroes being written by an English writer. Now find some Canucks to relaunch Alpha Flight, a Russian writer to take on a Bogatyri (Russian Fantastic Four) mini-series and I'll be very very happy.

I'm all for that, Xero. It would be very welcome in my book.

when the Gatherers came into 616 from an alternate reality their Black Knight (Proctor) had an Ebony Blade that existed in the same time and reality as the 616's BlackKnight. When he was killed- there now existed 2 "real" ebony blades in the 616....

Dane questions whether this is the "real" one- his original or the alternate reality copy -like trying to tell the difference between identical twins....

Indeed. It could well be that both blades are REAL Ebony blades, just from different universes. Either way I expect it to be covered at some point soon.

After first read I felt it was a great book. I like the mention of Lord Hawk and Brian's past battles.

Absolutely. I mean Lord Hawk was, without doubt, one of Brian's lamest villains, but from a public pov it was a big deal. I mean the general public watches as Brian found himself being ploughed into the middle of football stadium. People WOULD notice that.

I would ignore New Excalibur continuity as it was for the most part Excrement. I just wonder what he has planned for Captain Britain after this issue. Will it be down to some one else to take up the mantle? One issue in and I got to wonder for 4 weeks if Braddock has bitten the big one :eek:

He won't have, but a new hero WILL rise. The words about the Sword being drawn again are there for a reason.

And yes, New Excalibur was a mess. I hope it can be ignored as much as is possible.

As far as CB & MI:13, Paul stated that the readers will know something about something that Dane is wrong about and he will address Dane's past use of the Avalon weapons (sword of light/shield of darkness).

I'm very much looking forward to that.

Now all this can go away if someone can give Dane Excalibur in issue #2!

Lol. I don't think it will be going to Dane. Or Wisdom, despite what the cover suggests. My money is on Faiza.

Hawkeye once remarked (in one of Dane's first appearances) that Dane was (not an exact quote) even more of a hot-tempered jerk than himself. and this is when Hawkeye was pretty much known for being a guy gardnerish jerk.

Thank you. I was really hoping somebody else remembered that.

does anyone else think it's kind of stupid to have T'challa wielding the Ebony Blade? like, what's the point? he could be using a vibranium sword and do just as much damage.

I really do. I genuinely get the feeling that Hudlin just thought to himself 'You know, wouldn't it be cool if the Panther had a big black sword, to match the costume? Which character used to have one of those? Black Knight? Well, nobody's using him right now, so I'm having that...'.

Please let us have an issue in Wakanda, with a Dane/T'Challa punch up...:biggrin:

[Ghost Shark]

I enjoyed this issue enough to stick with it for the foreseeable future. Cornell's writing is making me regret missing the Wisdom series.

My only complaint, artwise, is CB's costume. I really think it looked better with all the stripes of the flag on it, from Alan Davis' original rendition of it. Right now it just looks incomplete.

[Guest_1001]

I actually enjoy Cap's New Excalibur costume. One of the better parts of that series, in my opinion. I find the old/current one a bit too basic.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The standard union flag costume is the iconic look though. Sure you can tweak it, but that's the one people associate with the character - the one most people expect to see.

I personally prefer Brian wearing his Father's Corpsman uniform, from Excalibur vol 2. It was a right of passage for him to have acquired it. It bot captures the stronger elements of the Union Flag design, but also the Lion motif of the original costume.

[Ghost Shark]

Hi original costume had its charm, too.

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/capbrit2.jpg

:smile:


And since I haven't kept up on my CB/Excalibur reading, whatever happened to Megan?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

And since I haven't kept up on my CB/Excalibur reading, whatever happened to Megan?

During the House of M issues of Uncanny X-Men, Wanda Maximoff's tinkering reverberated across to Otherworld an ruptured the lining of a fair few universes, making them bleed into each other. Saturnyne wanted them to remove 616 from the Omniverse to avoid further damage. But Jamie Braddock popped up and stopped her. Instead Brian and Meggan were given 24 hours to go to 616 and repair the tear made in the fabric of reality, from that side.

Only when they got their they got caught up in the illusion, wherby Brian became King of England...

Cap, Meggan, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, and most of the characters who became New Excalibur went to repair the rift. But it had to be sealed from the other side - literally the void of nothingness between dimensions - nonexistemt space. Meggan went through and sealed it. Nobody has seen her since.

Brian has not mentioned it since#1 of New Excalibur. Claremont avopided it. The editors wanted to bring her back, Michael Ryan even redesigned her costume. But it never happened. Who knows why...

[bkdane]

Lol. I don't think it (Excalibur) will be going to Dane. Or Wisdom, despite what the cover suggests. My money is on Faiza.

Based on issue 2 preview, I would have to agree.

[Terminus]

Yup - Faiza to wield Excalibur, now that would be pretty cool.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I think that Skrull weaponry and the reappearance of the Blade are probably what will power Faiza. I'm not sure in what way, of course, but some kind of merging may occur. I think it present a really interesting concept. Faiza truly is modern Britain - multicultural but very definitely 'British'. She's the perfect choice to be weilding the very blade of legend intended for its protection.

[Siddon]

This was a really good issue, it was frantic and fast and a whole lot of fun.

[Pyro]

Leonard Kirk is fantastic! I'm interested to see how he does on a big ongoing. I think this is the biggest one he's done in a while. His work on WWHA: Warbound was good, but started slipping as the mini progressed.

Also, I'm really interested in the story. I was a little upset when I reached the end because it felt really short. The only thing I thought was a little too silly was, "Britain is the place for magic! The Skrulls want our magic and we have to defend it!" I suppose Britain is very steeped in lore but I had to step back a second when the government was talking like that.

[IronPalm]

Damn, I love this book.
Didnt realize I missed Pete Wisdom
No longer feel as if only Ellis could make me like this title.

[Porcelain]

I thought everything was pretty good. The art was nice. The pace was nice. The characterization and dialogue got a little a weird in places, but overall I liked it.

Now, I've always hated Spifire. Always. Never have I read a version of the character that appealed to me, and then I read this issue. I loved it. She had the best lines (along with John) and the coolest scenes. I want more Spitfire.
Same-ish. Loved the idea, the characters, the direction & potential however, maybe I was knackered but the dialogue read funny in places too fast, shallow, something.

Eh, I still really like where this seems to be going and lots of good moments (Cap B thinking it was perfectly wonderfull for Wisdom to be hearing voices, Dane, Spitfire, Lennon Skrull me love you).

Art worked for it too (have to admit seeing Brown drawn was oddly wierd).
vampirism. most of her backstory now involves vampires. her uncle, son, and grandson are vampires, as well. we've only just now discovered that she too has the affliction. anyways, Jacqueline Falsworth aka Spitfire was a WWII-era superheroine; she was one of the Invaders. she gained her superspeed powers after getting a blood transfusion from Jim Hammond aka the original Human Torch. she needed that transfusion because her uncle, the original Baron Blood (guy that captain america beheaded w/ his shield) sucked her dry. Hammond's blood also retarded her age. that's why she doesn't look like an old lady. she also recently ended her relationship with the current Union Jack; a vampire hunter who was also best friends with her son.

Really interested in her now, knew 'of' the rest of her story, but was confused on the throat thing. Nice set up from Cornell, made me (who didn't get it) interested and no doubt hooked those who do know more of her.

Who's her son? And how does the whole Vamp thing work in the MU? Obviously sunshine's fine...

[Kaplan]

Same-ish. Loved the idea, the characters, the direction & potential however, maybe I was knackered but the dialogue read funny in places too fast, shallow, something. .

Yeah, everyone else seems to think the dialogue was good. I thought it was pretty stodgy in parts. And although it is written by a British writer, it often seemed like it was written by an American trying to add British touches. Just put a 'mate' there, 'lad' there... and the whole Beatles thing?! It's as if he thought, 'Ok, what do Americans know about the UK? The Beatles!' I'm surprised no Monthy Python references came up too. I suppose the thinking is that Americans wouldn't get contemporary British references, although Lennon looked more like Liam Gallagher a lot of the time.

Still, the magic thing could be interesting.

[Porcelain]

Not 100% sure but think Lennon Skrull was pre-existing (and I really liked him, plus Gallagher is a scally clone by all accounts - love the music but you know...).

[Kaplan]

Not 100% sure but think Lennon Skrull was pre-existing (and I really liked him, plus Gallagher is a scally clone by all accounts - love the music but you know...).

Oh, right. I meant to preface my comments by saying I didn't know any of the back story. And yes, Gallagher is a bit of a scally clone.

Just looked it up and apparently the Lennon Skrull was part of an attempted takeover of the world in the 60s by bodysnatching world celebs. Couldn't find any mention of him being killed by a Chapman Skrull, so it must be him.

[Guest_1001]

Yeah, everyone else seems to think the dialogue was good. I thought it was pretty stodgy in parts. And although it is written by a British writer, it often seemed like it was written by an American trying to add British touches. Just put a 'mate' there, 'lad' there... and the whole Beatles thing?! It's as if he thought, 'Ok, what do Americans know about the UK? The Beatles!' I'm surprised no Monthy Python references came up too. I suppose the thinking is that Americans wouldn't get contemporary British references, although Lennon looked more like Liam Gallagher a lot of the time.

Still, the magic thing could be interesting.

Er, I don't mean this as a knock on America but I'm not keen on how you think one of the reasons John the Skrull has John Lennon's appearance is because of an American audience, as opposed to other nations (the UK included). Besides, it's not like he didn't have a good reason for being there, with that appearance. As quirky plans go, Skrulls invading the Earth in the guise of a popular band is top-notch.

I wasn't too keen on John the Skrull when I first heard about him though (I didn't buy Wisdom as soon as it was released). I'm not an expert on this but a long time ago, I read either an Excalibur or Captain Britain book that featured villains with the appearance of Tweedledum and Tweedledee from Alice In Wonderland. I didn't like it and it seemed to be just an attempt to crowbar in a recognisable fictional character while maintaining a "villain of the week" scenario. It was too "pop culture" for me and I thought John the Skrull would be the same.

And I've never been so glad to be proven wrong.

[Madrox84]

I finally got around to reading this issue today (during the lunch break in the Cricket...), and i thought it was fantastic!

I especially liked the scenes between Pete Wisdom and Captain Britain, they were brilliant. I also liked the Black Knight's appearance, that was a very good scene.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.

[The Cat]

I read somewhere that Blade might be making an appearance.

If it is true I hope he is not a plot device (i.e. a way of supplying a cure for Spitfire advancing vampirism)!

[Christopher O]

Spitfire doesn't need a cure!

"It's not who I am. It's just who I have to be sometimes."

"Fabulous."

Love it!

[kidpernicious]

Who's her son? And how does the whole Vamp thing work in the MU? Obviously sunshine's fine...

Her son was (a) Baron Blood, think he's dead now. And MU vampires are pretty much the standard vampire. The sunshine thing with Spitfire is likely because of the effects from the Human Torch's blood (the same reason she has speed), making her something other than a "true" vampire.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I wasn't too keen on John the Skrull when I first heard about him though (I didn't buy Wisdom as soon as it was released). I'm not an expert on this but a long time ago, I read either an Excalibur or Captain Britain book that featured villains with the appearance of Tweedledum and Tweedledee from Alice In Wonderland. I didn't like it and it seemed to be just an attempt to crowbar in a recognisable fictional character while maintaining a "villain of the week" scenario. It was too "pop culture" for me and I thought John the Skrull would be the same.

And I've never been so glad to be proven wrong.

Hmmm. That's funny. I could have sworn I replied to some of this post this morning, only it appears to have vanished.

Odd.

The villains you are talking about were 'The Crazy Gang,' who I believe were created by David Thorpe and Alan Davis, back in the days when Cap was appearing in the pages of UK anthology title Marvel Superheroes. They were 'Mad'; Jim Jaspers' henchmen from a backwater dimension. And initially in that Thorpe/Davis/Moore period they were quite genuinely macabre and malicious. That's how they were written, right into the Jamie Delano ongoing.

Unfortunately, they were written very differently in Excalibur - where they quickly became more of a light relief. They certainly weren't threatening, any more. By the end of their tenure they were retired out into an unsuspecting British village, where they lived out their silly existences in peace.

A great shame.

I finally got around to reading this issue today (during the lunch break in the Cricket...),

How British does THAT sound? :biggrin:

and i thought it was fantastic!

I especially liked the scenes between Pete Wisdom and Captain Britain, they were brilliant. I also liked the Black Knight's appearance, that was a very good scene.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.

Me too. I'm actually most interested about the Black Knight, right now. It really does look like he's trying to hide just how much that blade is screwing with his mind, right now.

I read somewhere that Blade might be making an appearance.

If it is true I hope he is not a plot device (i.e. a way of supplying a cure for Spitfire advancing vampirism)!

It's a rumour, based on the final cast member being rumoured to be a Big British character - but one who most people might not even realise IS British.

I don't think it will necessarily be as a plot device, though. And there are certainly others who COULD cure her, closer to home, if needed. But it depends on how much she WANTS it cured.

Spitfire doesn't need a cure!

"It's not who I am. It's just who I have to be sometimes."

"Fabulous."

Love it!

It's certainly interesting to see this side to her character. The whole Baron Blood side of the family is always interesting to explore.

Her son was (a) Baron Blood, think he's dead now. And MU vampires are pretty much the standard vampire. The sunshine thing with Spitfire is likely because of the effects from the Human Torch's blood (the same reason she has speed), making her something other than a "true" vampire.

I'd agree. It might have seemed like a cure at the time, but it seems more like a genetic change going on.

[Madrox84]

How British does THAT sound? :biggrin:

I know... It would be hard for it to be more British, if only i was drinking tea and eating scones...


Me too. I'm actually most interested about the Black Knight, right now. It really does look like he's trying to hide just how much that blade is screwing with his mind, right now.

That was very very interesting, i'm really looking forward to Cornell following up on that storyline.

Overall i must say i really enjoyed the issue, and it was great to see namechecks for the Knights of Pendragon and Digitek. I'm hoping we get to see them in future issues.

Speaking of Cornell... I was wondering if any of my fellow Brits were at the Bristol Comic Expo on the 9th, and whether anyone else here attended the 'True Believers' Panel?

[Frank]

Frank? This was the first part of a larger story. We're working with a different format to Wisdom, from a structure POV. This issue has to set things up, and showcase the characters involved. This was just the start. Cut them a little slack! :biggrin:

I'm thinking maybe they got dragged into the invasion and that is why it's all over the place. Then again it was wild and chaotic toward the end of Wisdom and it was awesome. I will be missing characters with attitude from that series, especially Think. I think Paul had come up with the perfect group, the perfect team in Wisdom. I'm just afraid the guys in Cap & MI: 13 will be too bland and heroic. Just a guess. I'm not too sold on Kirk as artist too. Again, everything looks too nice, old school super-hero. I'm hoping for an edgier style. But I'm still hoping for a turn around.



I think he's looking a lot more like Pacheco Wisdom, from Excalibur. Works okay with me.

Too kewt. Ellis had the right angle on Peter Wisdom when he wrote him in X-Force.



Somebody raised that over at Millarworld and Cornell responded, a little confused. He asked whether people were confusing Stuart with Gordon Brown - because Alistaire had his hair back. He also says that they will be addressing the aging issue in a future story, down the line.

Paul being a little confused sort of give weight to the argument I made a few months ago in these boards when commenting on the Wisdom series that Mr. Cornell doesn't know the Alistaire character at all. Or maybe he just read Warren Ellis' take on the character(who always wrote an old agent Stuart for whatever reason. Maybe Warren didn't want competition for Kitty since he had her bed Wisdom).


I think that's a bit harsh. This is a Secret Invasion tie-in. Once we're out of that the stories will probably be far more to your taste.


Perhaps. But you can have an invasion and making it scarier and more edgy than that. Super-heroes during an invasion with a British vibe would be closer to what we saw in the Ultimates for instances or the Authority(only not as graphic). This felt more like a the standard super-hero action scenes. I'm just afraid Paul will tone it down because the series is not MAX.

Anyway even if i'm being negative, I'm not letting this book down, I still have faith in Paul Cornell because he did not disappoint me much in the past. And dammit because a super-hero book with British characters has to work! A lot of us have been waiting for this for a long time. If there were ever a time for it to succeed it's with this book, especially with this writer and this concept. Basically it would take a lot for me to stop buying it. Here's hopin' for the better.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I know... It would be hard for it to be more British, if only i was drinking tea and eating scones...

Lol. We are such a civilised bunch... :biggrin:

That was very very interesting, i'm really looking forward to Cornell following up on that storyline.

You know I think it's the first decent character development Dane's had a decade, but even despite that it still interests me more than I expected.

Overall i must say i really enjoyed the issue, and it was great to see namechecks for the Knights of Pendragon and Digitek. I'm hoping we get to see them in future issues.

Absolutely. Digitek, though ver early-90s-styled at the time, actually has a lot of potential.

Speaking of Cornell... I was wondering if any of my fellow Brits were at the Bristol Comic Expo on the 9th, and whether anyone else here attended the 'True Believers' Panel?

Unfortunately, I didn't. I know he was supposed to be on a panel with Alan Davis and Mark Farmer - did it yield anything interesting?

I'm thinking maybe they got dragged into the invasion and that is why it's all over the place. Then again it was wild and chaotic toward the end of Wisdom and it was awesome.

Yeah - but that was the payoff. It was reallty only the final issue of a three part arc which kicked off anything like the same scale we were looking at here.

I will be missing characters with attitude from that series, especially Tink.

Well, lucky for you Tink is back next issue.

I think Paul had come up with the perfect group, the perfect team in Wisdom. I'm just afraid the guys in Cap & MI: 13 will be too bland and heroic. Just a guess.

I don't think they will be. And the great thing about MI:13's deal is that they can pick up pretty much any British hero they want. Granted the balance in Wisdom WAS good, but crackss had appeared by the end.

I'm not too sold on Kirk as artist too. Again, everything looks too nice, old school super-hero. I'm hoping for an edgier style. But I'm still hoping for a turn around.

I think Kirk does a very solid job, here, and his style very much matches the tone of the book. My only minor complaint is that he may still be getting to grips with drawing a couple of characters. He draws a mean cap in costume, but out of the mask he is a tiny bit sketchy. And of course Stuart isn't quite right, yet, but otherwise? I'm impressed. He delivers a punch with this book.

Too kewt. Ellis had the right angle on Peter Wisdom when he wrote him in X-Force.

Actually, bar a couple of scenes, Ellis did not write X-Force. He plotted it, but the writing was down to somebody else...

Paul being a little confused sort of give weight to the argument I made a few months ago in these boards when commenting on the Wisdom series that Mr. Cornell doesn't know the Alistaire character at all. Or maybe he just read Warren Ellis' take on the character(who always wrote an old agent Stuart for whatever reason. Maybe Warren didn't want competition for Kitty since he had her bed Wisdom).

Or alternatively he could be doing exactly what he claimed he'd do, slowly retcon the art error, via regressing his age.

Perhaps. But you can have an invasion and making it scarier and more edgy than that. Super-heroes during an invasion with a British vibe would be closer to what we saw in the Ultimates for instances or the Authority(only not as graphic). This felt more like a the standard super-hero action scenes. I'm just afraid Paul will tone it down because the series is not MAX.

Let's be realistic, Wisdom was never pitched as a MAX series, and there wasn't a lot about it which was MAX. I don't think we have much to fear. And I sincerely wish that the rest of Secret Invasion was playing at this level.

Anyway even if i'm being negative, I'm not letting this book down, I still have faith in Paul Cornell because he did not disappoint me much in the past. And dammit because a super-hero book with British characters has to work! A lot of us have been waiting for this for a long time. If there were ever a time for it to succeed it's with this book, especially with this writer and this concept. Basically it would take a lot for me to stop buying it. Here's hopin' for the better.

I'm glad to hear you're going to stick with it.

[Frank]

Lol. We are such a civilised bunch... :biggrin:



You know I think it's the first decent character development Dane's had a decade, but even despite that it still interests me more than I expected.



Absolutely. Digitek, though ver early-90s-styled at the time, actually has a lot of potential.



Unfortunately, I didn't. I know he was supposed to be on a panel with Alan Davis and Mark Farmer - did it yield anything interesting?



Yeah - but that was the payoff. It was reallty only the final issue of a three part arc which kicked off anything like the same scale we were looking at here.



Well, lucky for you Tink is back next issue.



I don't think they will be. And the great thing about MI:13's deal is that they can pick up pretty much any British hero they want. Granted the balance in Wisdom WAS good, but crackss had appeared by the end.



I think Kirk does a very solid job, here, and his style very much matches the tone of the book. My only minor complaint is that he may still be getting to grips with drawing a couple of characters. He draws a mean cap in costume, but out of the mask he is a tiny bit sketchy. And of course Stuart isn't quite right, yet, but otherwise? I'm impressed. He delivers a punch with this book.



Actually, bar a couple of scenes, Ellis did not write X-Force. He plotted it, but the writing was down to somebody else...



Or alternatively he could be doing exactly what he claimed he'd do, slowly retcon the art error, via regressing his age.



Let's be realistic, Wisdom was never pitched as a MAX series, and there wasn't a lot about it which was MAX. I don't think we have much to fear. And I sincerely wish that the rest of Secret Invasion was playing at this level.



I'm glad to hear you're going to stick with it.

Thanks for the responses, dude. I appreciate it. I only have this comment I want to make since you pretty much answered the rest:

Actually, bar a couple of scenes, Ellis did not write X-Force. He plotted it, but the writing was down to somebody else...


But Warren pretty much mapped out everything for the "Counter X" line. And he chose the looks along with artist Portacio. And rightly so in "Wisdom" Peter looked like he had been in X-Force(except for the eye patch).

In a way I "get" that Peter Wisdom has been given this look since he's back with MI:13 and he has to look respectable. It would have been fun had he been forced to wear the suit but kept the messy hair. Like this rebel wanting to get out of his skin. lol

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Thanks for the responses, dude. I appreciate it. I only have this comment I want to make since you pretty much answered the rest:

Actually, bar a couple of scenes, Ellis did not write X-Force. He plotted it, but the writing was down to somebody else...


But Warren pretty much mapped out everything for the "Counter X" line. And he chose the looks along with artist Portacio. And rightly so in "Wisdom" Peter looked like he had been in X-Force(except for the eye patch).

You know I'm really not sure how much of a role he played, though. He stayed around for quite some time on both X-Man and Generation X. X-force on the other hand, I'm pretty sure that he was only ever even credited on the first three issues. The rest were the other writer on their own - which might also explain the odd characterisation of Alistair Stuart in later issues.

In a way I "get" that Peter Wisdom has been given this look since he's back with MI:13 and he has to look respectable. It would have been fun had he been forced to wear the suit but kept the messy hair. Like this rebel wanting to get out of his skin. lol

In all honesty I think we'll probably see Pete changing his look quite a bit, across the series - just like in Wisdom.

[Guest_1001]

And rightly so in "Wisdom" Peter looked like he had been in X-Force(except for the eye patch).

Didn't Pete have a beard while in X-Force?

I kinda like "Sunglasses Pete" from Wisdom, and Leonard Kirk's art in CB&MI:13 seems to be going for a mix between that and his more basic New Excalibur look. However, Hitch's cover for the second issue is definitely the Wisdom seen in, uh, Wisdom.

[Madrox84]

Lol. We are such a civilised bunch... :biggrin:

Indeed we are sir, indeed we are...

You know I think it's the first decent character development Dane's had a decade, but even despite that it still interests me more than I expected.

I think you may be right there... The scenes with the Black Knight really got me thinking about what i really loved about the character when i was young and reading old comics in my local library...

Absolutely. Digitek, though very early-90s-styled at the time, actually has a lot of potential.

It did definately have potential. The manager of my LCS won't stop talking about those namechecks... He even went so far as to dig out all of the Knights of Pendragon and Digitek stuff he could find.

Unfortunately, I didn't. I know he was supposed to be on a panel with Alan Davis and Mark Farmer - did it yield anything interesting?

It was a little hap-hazard but very interesting. There were a couple of things that were mentioned that were quite interesting...

Apparently Alan Davis was asked to do the covers for CB&MI:13, but declined as he didn't want to colour people's opinions of what 'version' of Cap would be appearing. Cornell also suggested that they maybe do an Annual or Special issue somewhere down the line, Alan said that he would maybe consider it but in all honesty it wasn't likely.

Also apparently Davis and Farmer are working on a Thor one-shot... Unfortunately they were both very vague about when it would be coming out.

Paul Cornell (who is incidently a very friendly, quite funny man... And his wife is also very nice) was asked if there were any characters he wanted to use but wasn't allowed to. His answer was, apart from Kitty Pryde and Psylocke, no and that Marvel had no problem with him including references to and appearances by obscure Marvel UK characters.

He also added that Kitty should be with Pete Wisdom... Harking back to the Pete War that was started on his blog when Wisdom was announced.

And when asked what was his dream title, he said other than CB it would probably be a new Defenders ongoing series.

Overall it was a quite fun, if hap-hazard panel.

I spoke with Paul afterwards, and he was very nice and really very funny... And i got him to sign #1 of Wisdom, his response to which was 'AH! Now i have met the person who bought it!'

[Teh m0nk3y]

Didn't Pete have a beard while in X-Force?
He was sporting a goatee during that period. Or was that a petit goatee or an anchor?
*Stares at facial hair list.*

[Porcelain]

Random thought. Lots of rumours around a while back that the next 'event' is likely to be magical (and the Mystic Arcana is prologue) given the ending to this arc http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16463 M13 could play big into that.

Her son was (a) Baron Blood, think he's dead now. And MU vampires are pretty much the standard vampire. The sunshine thing with Spitfire is likely because of the effects from the Human Torch's blood (the same reason she has speed), making her something other than a "true" vampire.
Cheers very muchly.

[Madrox84]

Random thought. Lots of rumours around a while back that the next 'event' is likely to be magical (and the Mystic Arcana is prologue) given the ending to this arc http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16463 M13 could play big into that.

Thank you for the link :biggrin:

I think you may be onto something there. It would certainly make a lot of sense, given the 'Magic Plotline' in CB&MI:13 and the appearance of the Black Knight in Mystic Arcana.

I would love to see a magical revamp in the stylee of Annihilation.

[Porcelain]

~grins~ No prob

Didn't catch Annihilation, but my exposure to magic in the MU prior to Mystic Arcana was hokey at best. I'd really like to see mysticism explored from a more realistic/serious and tangilbe angle.

[Madrox84]

~grins~ No prob

Didn't catch Annihilation, but my exposure to magic in the MU prior to Mystic Arcana was hokey at best. I'd really like to see mysticism explored from a more realistic/serious and tangilbe angle.

I would definately reccomend Annihilation, it is a very good read. Annhilation: Conquest was also pretty cool, especially the Star-Lord mini-series.

As for the mystical corner of the MU, i'm a big fan of characters like Dr Strange, the Black Knight and Son of Satan (from reading old Avengers and Defenders stuff)... And whilst i enjoyed Mystic Arcana i would love to see Marvel make a serious attempt at a 'realistic/serious' revamp of that corner of the MU as it has been left by the wayside a little bit, and has lot of potential.

I'm hoping the rumors of a Magical Event in 2009 are true.

And back on topic, i think the team from CB&MI:13 would fit into a magical event fairly well.

[Seikun21]

If there's a magical event then I'm hoping Hercules ties in and possibly his God Squad as well, representing Earth's many pantheons of Gods.

And there's also the X-men with ties to the mystical side of the MU, Nightcrawler, Magik, Amanda Sefton, Storm, Pixie, etc.

Wanda Maximoff as well (seriously depowered though, no more reality altering for her, basic magicks please)

Maybe even newer magical characters like Wiccan,or Nico Minoru could play a part.

[Madrox84]

If there's a magical event then I'm hoping Hercules ties in and possibly his God Squad as well, representing Earth's many pantheons of Gods.

And there's also the X-men with ties to the mystical side of the MU, Nightcrawler, Magik, Amanda Sefton, Storm, Pixie, etc.

Wanda Maximoff as well (seriously depowered though, no more reality altering for her, basic magicks please)

Maybe even newer magical characters like Wiccan,or Nico Minoru could play a part.

I really do want to see the supposed Magical Event, and i would love for all of those characters to appear.

We shall have to wait and see if it actually happens.

[pariah-1972]

Hmm not a bad issue by any means, but i'm not sure if it's a great idea to start your first issue with a cross-over alien invasion i would have liked to see some build up to this.

That said everything was nice although i wasn't crazy about the weird splash pages.
And can someone tell me why Black Knight is wearing Jeans and a t-shirt?

[Whitster]

Random thought. Lots of rumours around a while back that the next 'event' is likely to be magical (and the Mystic Arcana is prologue) given the ending to this arc http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16463 M13 could play big into that.


Cheers very muchly.

Is that a new costume for Cap B on the issue 4 cover? or has the Sentry decided to move over here?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Random thought. Lots of rumours around a while back that the next 'event' is likely to be magical (and the Mystic Arcana is prologue) given the ending to this arc http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16463 M13 could play big into that.

They would fit very easily into a magic event, yes.

Hold on, that #4 cover does worry me a little... is that Brian? Or are we getting 'Britannic' back? O god, I hope not. :eek: :biggrin:

Hmm not a bad issue by any means, but i'm not sure if it's a great idea to start your first issue with a cross-over alien invasion i would have liked to see some build up to this.

Well, the one thing Secret Invasion needed as a crossover was perspectives outside of the USA. And this actually does the job better than the main series has managed so far at actually showing a physicall invasion. I;ve no complaints there.

Plus You have to admit it helps sales...

And can someone tell me why Black Knight is wearing Jeans and a t-shirt?

Well, he doesn't wear chainmail or plate armour off duty...:biggrin:

Is that a new costume for Cap B on the issue 4 cover? or has the Sentry decided to move over here?

Like I say it looks a bit like 'Britannic' period Brian, with the long hair, but with a union flag on the costume. Hmmm. I have no idea what that might be about. I'll be interested to see though.

[Whitster]

Like I say it looks a bit like 'Britannic' period Brian, with the long hair, but with a union flag on the costume. Hmmm. I have no idea what that might be about. I'll be interested to see though.

I seriously hope Cornell doesn't ruin what could be a good thing that way.

Theres probably some other explaination no need to panic yet.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I seriously hope Cornell doesn't ruin what could be a good thing that way.

Theres probably some other explaination no need to panic yet.

I have confidence. Lol. Just amused me momentarily. :biggrin:

[Guest_1001]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it. New costume doesn't neccessarily mean new character . . . or Britannic . . . *shudders*

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it. New costume doesn't neccessarily mean new character . . . or Britannic . . . *shudders*

Yes. It is kind of like a Captain britain themed Swear word that name, isn't it?

[HepOne]

I get the feeling that we just witnessed the "Death" of Captain Britain. He isnt on any other covers and not mentioned in solicits. This coupled with "a hero returns" tells me that Captain Britain will be reborn in a new form from otherworld/siege perilous (i think thats what it is). I dont like the lack of gloves/mask on this new costume, he looks a lot like Authority's Apollo.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I get the feeling that we just witnessed the "Death" of Captain Britain. He isnt on any other covers and not mentioned in solicits. This coupled with "a hero returns" tells me that Captain Britain will be reborn in a new form from otherworld/siege perilous (i think thats what it is). I dont like the lack of gloves/mask on this new costume, he looks a lot like Authority's Apollo.

To be fair, he is on the ground on tthe cover for #2. We'll have to see. You've also got remember that until New excalibur he did kind of have the powers of a God.

[Kaplan]

What would any of you suggest as essential reading to get up to speed with all the back story that is being discussed in this thread?

[pariah-1972]

What would any of you suggest as essential reading to get up to speed with all the back story that is being discussed in this thread?Wisdom mini series for starters and Warren Ellis's run on Excalibur which i really really loved
and maybe Alan Davis run on Excalibur if you want but its not completely necessary for this even tho very good.
and if you are really curious maybe Some Captain Britain paperbacks?

[pariah-1972]

They would fit very easily into a magic event, yes.

Hold on, that #4 cover does worry me a little... is that Brian? Or are we getting 'Britannic' back? O god, I hope not. :eek: :biggrin:



Well, the one thing Secret Invasion needed as a crossover was perspectives outside of the USA. And this actually does the job better than the main series has managed so far at actually showing a physicall invasion. I;ve no complaints there.

Plus You have to admit it helps sales...



Well, he doesn't wear chainmail or plate armour off duty...:biggrin:



But he wasn't off duty tho? and i do agree with you that this is a good perspective on the series and makes the threat feel more real than Bendis is capable of (haven't read any of the other crossovers yet) but we had like almost six months of waiting for this?
we could have had tons of stories by know letting us know who was in the group and what happened to the old one and such.

[Seikun21]

But he wasn't off duty tho? and i do agree with you that this is a good perspective on the series and makes the threat feel more real than Bendis is capable of (haven't read any of the other crossovers yet) but we had like almost six months of waiting for this?
we could have had tons of stories by know letting us know who was in the group and what happened to the old one and such.

Well he wasn't exactly expecting a full on alien invasion when he woke up that morning. Or did he? What kind of guy goes around town with a helmet and evil sword?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

But he wasn't off duty tho?

He was. He's not attached to a team anymore, and staying at the family ancestral home. These are eveyday clothes, but he does still carry the helmet and obviously the sword with him.

and i do agree with you that this is a good perspective on the series and makes the threat feel more real than Bendis is capable of (haven't read any of the other crossovers yet) but we had like almost six months of waiting for this?

I really wish they'd kick up the pace a little in the other books, too.

we could have had tons of stories by know letting us know who was in the group and what happened to the old one and such.

Which old one?

[Kaplan]

Wisdom mini series for starters and Warren Ellis's run on Excalibur which i really really loved
and maybe Alan Davis run on Excalibur if you want but its not completely necessary for this even tho very good.
and if you are really curious maybe Some Captain Britain paperbacks?

Thanks, I'll check those out!

[Guest_1001]

What would any of you suggest as essential reading to get up to speed with all the back story that is being discussed in this thread?

I'd say the Wisdom mini-series but to be honest, you don't need much else. Depends how up to date you are on the characters really, and even then it'd be nightmare to get drawn into the Cap Continuity Conundrum and the Black Knight Ebony Blade fiasco.

I get the feeling that we just witnessed the "Death" of Captain Britain. He isnt on any other covers and not mentioned in solicits. This coupled with "a hero returns" tells me that Captain Britain will be reborn in a new form from otherworld/siege perilous (i think thats what it is). I dont like the lack of gloves/mask on this new costume, he looks a lot like Authority's Apollo.

Cap's tough. Comatose? Mystical comatose?

I think he could do with a mask, just because I'm not a fan of an unmasked Cap. But it's a minor quibble, nothing more . . .

[The Sword Is Drawn]

What would any of you suggest as essential reading to get up to speed with all the back story that is being discussed in this thread?

It really depends which characters you are interested in. In terns of the series I woukld definitely recommend Wisdom, which introduced MI:13 and Wisdom's role with it. It sets up this series.

If you are interested in Captain Britain I'd recommend trying to pick up the Alan Moore trade they put out a few years ago - which reprinted the best period of his solo stuff.

[pariah-1972]

He was. He's not attached to a team anymore, and staying at the family ancestral home. These are eveyday clothes, but he does still carry the helmet and obviously the sword with him.



I really wish they'd kick up the pace a little in the other books, too.



Which old one?The old Excalibur i don't remember what happened to them, Tho they aren't greatly missed.

[pariah-1972]

Black knight looks ridiculous wearing street clothes and a helmet tho its a fashion faux pas as far as i'm concerned:wink:

[Guest_1001]

The old Excalibur i don't remember what happened to them, Tho they aren't greatly missed.

Depends who you talk to.

[pariah-1972]

Depends who you talk to.Well besides the hardcore Dazzler fans on here:tongue:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The old Excalibur i don't remember what happened to them, Tho they aren't greatly missed.

Do you mean Excalibur or Claremont's NEW Excalibur? The latter really didn't haven anybody left. Wisdom and Cap, sure. But Sage, Nocturne and Juggernaut were gone - and frankly never had a reason to be there, in the firsty place.

Dazzler? Not even her own fans wanted her there.

Cap and Wisdom are the only characters who matter from that set-up. They're here, they're resident, they havea place and ongoing purpose in Marvel's Britain - even when they don't have an ongoing.

[Kaplan]

Ok, thanks everyone. Looks like I should start with Wisdom.

[Madrox84]

Yes. It is kind of like a Captain britain themed Swear word that name, isn't it?

It is indeed. Hopefully that version of Cap will never rear it's mulletted head again.

The old Excalibur i don't remember what happened to them, Tho they aren't greatly missed.

If you mean the original Excalibur then i declare shenanegians on you!

If you mean New Excalibur then i completely agree.

[pariah-1972]

It is indeed. Hopefully that version of Cap will never rear it's mulletted head again.



If you mean the original Excalibur then i declare shenanegians on you!

If you mean New Excalibur then i completely agree.Yes the "new old" Excalibur.

No shenanigans for me:tongue:

[Will.S]

I'd totally disagree. This was showing a City under siege, with the kind of intensity and scale which Secret Invasion has so far failed to deliver in the other books.

This is supposed to be an actual INVASION, and the maliciousn nature of this attack, and then the Skrulls subsequent change of tactics really covered that in the way I wish it was been played out in the main series.

I felt the opposite but what you just described was how I felt about Secret Invasion #2. For this, I thought it felt like a proper invasion. Emergency services in the streets, Skrull ships and machines and amalgam Super-Skrulls. It all felt very chaotic and, while the whole "who is a Skrull" conversation works fine elsewhere, I'm pleased to see people actually FIGHTING the invading bastards instead of chatting to them.

But he wasn't off duty tho? and i do agree with you that this is a good perspective on the series and makes the threat feel more real than Bendis is capable of (haven't read any of the other crossovers yet) but we had like almost six months of waiting for this?
we could have had tons of stories by know letting us know who was in the group and what happened to the old one and such.
The thing with this book is that it takes place in a much more advanced timeline than what the main mini is up to since in #2 we just saw the super skrulls landing.

This issue of Captain Britain likely takes place during the course of Secret Invasion #3 where you'll see the big skrull army fights which is why it feels more like a war here than in the other titles. Anyway, I enjoyed the book but several characters did seem off by a few degrees like Pete Wisdom and Black Knight. I feel like I have to read the Pete Wisdom mini series for some reason to get more info on John the Skrull and who the heck this Captain Midlands is.

The dialogue was also a bit odd at times but I did like everything else. Although the super skrulls are treated as pretty much fodder (which they shouldn't considering their powers) they looked great and I liked the power and the effectiveness that this team brings to the fold. I also liked the other characters like Faiza and Spitfire who were well portrayed.

Leonard Kirk's art was better than it usually looks but then again he has a great inker with Jesse Delperdang. Nice colors by Brian Reber btw, not too colorful but very clean and clear.

Problems aside, a good start: 8/10

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yes, Reber's colours really are worth praising actually. This book would look very different without them.

[pariah-1972]

I noticed the weird dialogue too but i just chalked it up to the whole British thing

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I don't really see the 'weird dialogue'. Can anybody be more specific.

[Guest_1001]

Personally, I never saw the dialogue as being weird either. Quick, perhaps, which I thought was neccessary and the occasional line with "bloody" or "mate" that I thought read like other writers have tried to portray English characters.

As for anything else, I'm stumped.

[Will.S]

I don't really see the 'weird dialogue'. Can anybody be more specific.
It's a little stunted.

Particularly in John, Faiza, and Dane's case.

[Guest_1001]

It's a little stunted.

Particularly in John, Faiza, and Dane's case.

If anything, I thought their dialogue was the strongest. I could understand the Cap and Wisdom dialogue being stunted though . . .

[StoneGold]

I already made my grievance about Dane's dialogue, and I stick to it.

[Madrox84]

Yes the "new old" Excalibur.

No shenanigans for me:tongue:

Ah that's okay. New Excalibur, wasn't what i was hoping for when the series was announced.

[bkdane]

Yes. It is kind of like a Captain britain themed Swear word that name, isn't it?

Hey Sword, can you expand on that a little? I tried to do some digging about Britanic in the Marvel Database site and all it really said was this:

'He called himself Britanic for some time, but eventually re-acclimated himself to his old life, although he did quit drinking'.

As far as the Black Knight goes (leather jacket and jeans), Paul stated in his first CBR interview about the MI:13 characters that this is the direction he is going in. Maybe he will change his mind as the series progresses. I kinda was against it at first but it is growing on me. I liked his force shield too.

[pariah-1972]

I thought Faiz was cool she didn't seem as stunted to me.
This was a slight problem on the Wisdom mini series but it seems to have gotten worse.

[Frank]

[He also added that Kitty should be with Pete Wisdom... Harking back to the Pete War that was started on his blog when Wisdom was announced.


Naaa she should be with younger Alistaire Stuart. :biggrin: Anyway Pete is too mature for her in my opinion.

[pariah-1972]

[He also added that Kitty should be with Pete Wisdom... Harking back to the Pete War that was started on his blog when Wisdom was announced.


Naaa she should be with younger Alistaire Stuart. :biggrin: Anyway Pete is too mature for her in my opinion.Actually Kitty was a lot more mature than Pete at least emotionally than him.

Of course thats why i liked there relationship so much.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Hey Sword, can you expand on that a little? I tried to do some digging about Britanic in the Marvel Database site and all it really said was this:

'He called himself Britanic for some time, but eventually re-acclimated himself to his old life, although he did quit drinking'.

That's a really poor explanation, I'm afraid.

Basically, when Lobdell took over from Alan Davis on Excalibur he axed Captain Britain between issues. Off-panel Cap was apparently 'lost in the timestream' on the way back from Rachel Summers' timeline. When Brian returns some issues later (In exchange for Rachel) he appears to have suddenly become Fabio - long hair over pumped body and in a red all over body suit with no nation flag or national symbol visible on it. He has flaming yellow eyes, and refers to himself as 'Britannic!' From this piont onwards, pretty much until Warren Ellis takes over the book, Brian barely even speaks. When he does it's only in monosyllables...

I think it should probably tell you just how bad a redesign of costume it was, that it was only ever featured on one Excalibur cover in two years. Frankly the casual observer would not even know it WAS Captain Britain.

You can see an image on the Uncanny X-Men Spotlight On... Captain Britain. It's listed as Costume #4 in the costume gallery section:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=113&page=11

As far as the Black Knight goes (leather jacket and jeans), Paul stated in his first CBR interview about the MI:13 characters that this is the direction he is going in. Maybe he will change his mind as the series progresses. I kinda was against it at first but it is growing on me. I liked his force shield too.

It's grown on me, too. I think he's going to be a the character to watch on this series.

[He also added that Kitty should be with Pete Wisdom... Harking back to the Pete War that was started on his blog when Wisdom was announced.


Compared next to Collosus I would always side with Wisdom in that respect. The Pryde and Wisdom relationship was always just so much fun to read, and all feelings between Pryde and the Russian were very much resolved long before Whedon brought him back to life.

But...

Naaa she should be with younger Alistaire Stuart. Anyway Pete is too mature for her in my opinion.

I'd totally agree on that one. ;)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Actually Kitty was a lot more mature than Pete at least emotionally than him.

Of course thats why i liked there relationship so much.

It's kind of ironic that it was Kitty who messed Wisdom around in the end...

[pariah-1972]

It's kind of ironic that it was Kitty who messed Wisdom around in the end...Did she cheat on him? i can't remember how it all ended,
but i do remember her hooking up with shield and having a crush on a boy her age who was a hacker type like her.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Did she cheat on him? i can't remember how it all ended,
but i do remember her hooking up with shield and having a crush on a boy her age who was a hacker type like her.

She hooked up with some kid from S.H.I.E.L.D. in the terrible Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD mini series. And this apparently gave her doubts about her and Wisdom. It all stank of bad writing and editorial interference. It was a bout this time that editorial interference started insisting she was retconned to being 17 again. Even though this was a contradiction - as the New Mutants were now older than this, and it also didn't fit with the ages of Generation X.

One big mess which still gives everybody headaches.

[pariah-1972]

She hooked up with some kid from S.H.I.E.L.D. in the terrible Kitty Pryde Agent of SHIELD mini series. And this apparently gave her doubts about her and Wisdom. It all stank of bad writing and editorial interference. It was a bout this time that editorial interference started insisting she was retconned to being 17 again. Even though this was a contradiction - as the New Mutants were now older than this, and it also didn't fit with the ages of Generation X.

One big mess which still gives everybody headaches.Where was it applied she was 17?
The agent of shield mini wasn't THAT bad but it just didn't make much sense why they would recruit her out of the blue and then let her leave just like that.

I did seem like the powers that be wasn't entirely comfortable with the relationship and the fact everyone on Excalibur hated him was probably a good indication that it wasn't going to last unfortunately.

As sad as i am to see the relationship go it probably wouldn't have lasted after Warren Ellis left anyways.

Wisdom is a bit of a mary sue for him anyways isn't it?

[bkdane]

That's a really poor explanation, I'm afraid.

Basically, when Lobdell took over from Alan Davis on Excalibur he axed Captain Britain between issues. Off-panel Cap was apparently 'lost in the timestream' on the way back from Rachel Summers' timeline. When Brian returns some issues later (In exchange for Rachel) he appears to have suddenly become Fabio - long hair over pumped body and in a red all over body suit with no nation flag or national symbol visible on it. He has flaming yellow eyes, and refers to himself as 'Britannic!' From this piont onwards, pretty much until Warren Ellis takes over the book, Brian barely even speaks. When he does it's only in monosyllables...

I think it should probably tell you just how bad a redesign of costume it was, that it was only ever featured on one Excalibur cover in two years. Frankly the casual observer would not even know it WAS Captain Britain.

You can see an image on the Uncanny X-Men Spotlight On... Captain Britain. It's listed as Costume #4 in the costume gallery section:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=113&page=11

Thanks Sword! Fabio reference was right on. I wonder what Paul has in mind? Apparently, Britannic was not popular.

[Guest_1001]

Thanks Sword! Fabio reference was right on. I wonder what Paul has in mind? Apparently, Britannic was not popular.

Yeah but Paul isn't using Britannic as far as we know. It was more a jokey reference, I think. For one, the Cap (if it is Cap) on the cover has the union flag on his chest, which Britannic didn't.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Thanks Sword! Fabio reference was right on. I wonder what Paul has in mind? Apparently, Britannic was not popular.

I don't think he's actually turning him back INTO Britannic. It's more that the costume on that cover seems to bear a striking resemblence TO Britannic. The long hair for starters. I honestly don't know what will happen. We'll have to wait and see I guess. For all we know this is some kind of flashback.

[bkdane]

CAPTAIN BRITAIN, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #1s SELL OUT, 2nd PRINTS COMING

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Press Release

Last week, Marvel launched two critically-acclaimed series features the characters you demanded to return and they both sold out at Diamond immediately! Marvel is pleased to announce that to meet the overwhelming demand, fans will now be able to experience these hot new launches in Captain Britain & The MI-13 #1 Second Printing Variant and Guardians Of The Galaxy #1 Second Printing Variant.

Captain Britain & The MI-13 #1 Second Printing Variant, from acclaimed Doctor Who scribe Paul Cornell and fan-favorite artist Leonard Kirk, features Kirk’s stunning interior art on a new wraparound cover. Drawing rave reviews from all corners, this Secret Invasion tie-in—and first ongoing series launched from the event—pits Britain’s heroes against a threat so powerful that former Avengers and Invaders must join forces to combat it!

“Captain Britain and MI:13 is a splendid new series, and the second issue can't come soon enough,” said Timothy Callahan of ComicBookResources.Com.

Guardians of the Galaxy #1 Second Printing Variant unites the Annihilation: Conquest masterminds, writers Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning, with artist Paul Pelletier for a new ongoing series thrill-ride that has IGN.com raving: “With a rip-roaringly good cast, trippy visuals, and a great cliffhanger to cap it all off, this series has all but cemented its place in my pull list permanently.” This issue features Pelleter’s powerful interior art on a new wraparound cover.

With both series receiving rave reviews, Marvel urges retailers to check their orders on upcoming issues of Guardians of The Galaxy and Captain Britain & The MI-13. What’s next for each of these teams? The only way to find out is to start at the beginning with Captain Britain & The MI-13 #1 Second Printing Variant and Guardians Of The Galaxy #1 Second Printing Variant.

Please note that the initial printings of each issue may still be available at the retail level.

CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI: 13 #1 SECOND PRINTING VARIANT (APR088018)
Written by PAUL CORNELL
Penciled by LEONARD KIRK
Cover by LEONARD KIRK
Rated T+ …$2.99
FOC—5/29/08. On-Sale—6/18/08

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #1 SECOND PRINTING VARIANT (APR088021)
Written by DAN ABNETT & ANDY LANNING
Penciled by PAUL PELLETIER
Cover by PAUL PELLETIER
Rated T+ …$2.99
FOC—5/29/08. On-Sale—6/18/08

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Wow! The rumours are true. I wonder what the second print cover will look like.

[Guest_1001]

Wow, fantastic news. Finally British heroes getting the recognition they deserve? We can hope.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Wow, fantastic news. Finally British heroes getting the recognition they deserve? We can hope.

It's certainly a bloody good start. And I think the article has it phrased right, too. These are characters and properties which fans wanted to read - both for CB&MI:13 and GotG. It makes a real difference.

[bkdane]

Wow, fantastic news. Finally British heroes getting the recognition they deserve? We can hope.

How about some kudos for the Black Knight too!

[Guest_1001]

How about some kudos for the Black Knight too!

Fair enough. You'll be hard pressed to find a medieval badass as cool as Dane Whitman. *Salutes*

[bkdane]

Fair enough. You'll be hard pressed to find a medieval badass as cool as Dane Whitman. *Salutes*

Agreed and God Save the Queen.

[bkdane]

The Replacement.

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.3558.Captain_Britain~colon~_The_Repla cements

[Guest_1001]

Fan-bloody-tastic.

But Cap dead!? No! The man-tears are going to be running down my face in their hundreds come issue #2.

The panels all look great. I'm amazed at what Faiza does to the Black Knight, like a "Dane Deconstruction". It's almost like a cross-section of him. And, although I had my doubts, it does look like Cornell delivered on the promise of a character with a power that had never been done. Go Faiza! Oh, and who else loves Faiza's dialogue at the foot of "The Replacements"? Definitely the character to keep an eye on. :biggrin:

R.I.P. Captain Lunchbox.

[bkdane]

Fan-bloody-tastic.

But Cap dead!? No! The man-tears are going to be running down my face in their hundreds come issue #2.

The panels all look great. I'm amazed at what Faiza does to the Black Knight, like a "Dane Deconstruction". It's almost like a cross-section of him. And, although I had my doubts, it does look like Cornell delivered on the promise of a character with a power that had never been done. Go Faiza! Oh, and who else loves Faiza's dialogue at the foot of "The Replacements"? Definitely the character to keep an eye on. :biggrin:

R.I.P. Captain Lunchbox.

From "The Replacements" article:

Black Knight

A legacy hero driven to atone for the misdeeds of his uncle Nathan Garrett, the previous Black Knight, Dane Whitman has served with distinction with the Avengers, the Defenders, Heroes for Hire, Excalibur, and now, MI:13.

Pros: Whitman has proven himself a hero on both sides of the pond, displaying bravery, selflessness, and an impressive talent for blade and hand-to-hand combat. Additionally, Whitman shares a passion for physics with Braddock, something that might stand as a symbolic tie between the two.

Cons: Having been born in Massachusetts, Whitman stand as a bit more New Englander than Englander. His weapon of choice, the Ebony Blade, carries with it a heavy price, a blood curse. In the past, his wielding of it has led to bouts of insanity. While his current weapon is only a facsimile of the original, the strength of his mental state without the blade present has not been extensively documented.

In the Gentleman's Own Words (as told to Paul Cornell): "[Brian Braddock] was a good friend of mine and a comrade in arms. Am I going to jump into his grave? No. There's too much of that in this job: people trying to be things they're not. I'm sorry, you were after something funny, right? Call me tomorrow and I'll have a line for you."
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It looks like we have proof now that Dane's blade in a "facsimile". Hmm, a Black Knight with a fake Ebony Blade, I don't think Sir Percy would approve.

[Guest_1001]

I hope Dane ends up tracking down that imposter and kicking the crap out of him. Oh, and if there's a better way to explain away the imposter than making him a Skrull, I can't think of one. Who (or what) else could steal the Ebony Blade from Dane?

But, chances are, it'll deal with the Ebony Blades rather than the imposter. Easier than complicating things further and they're what we care about anyway. And I'm glad it's been confirmed that Cornell knows the current Ebony Blade wielded by Dane is a "facsimile".

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I am actually kinda worried that Brian might genuinely be dead now...:eek:

[pariah-1972]

I am actually kinda worried that Brian might genuinely be dead now...:eek:I doubt that dude they titled the series after him after all.

[bkdane]

I am actually kinda worried that Brian might genuinely be dead now...:eek:

But then the title would be just MI:13.

[bkdane]

I hope Dane ends up tracking down that imposter and kicking the crap out of him. Oh, and if there's a better way to explain away the imposter than making him a Skrull, I can't think of one. Who (or what) else could steal the Ebony Blade from Dane?

But, chances are, it'll deal with the Ebony Blades rather than the imposter. Easier than complicating things further and they're what we care about anyway. And I'm glad it's been confirmed that Cornell knows the current Ebony Blade wielded by Dane is a "facsimile".

The imposter might be the Black Panther. He got an Ebony Blade.

[Guest_1001]

But then the title would be just MI:13.

There are plenty of other Captain Britains out there. And the opportunity for a brand new Earth-616 one, if Brian is dead.

[bkdane]

There are plenty of other Captain Britains out there. And the opportunity for a brand new Earth-616 one, if Brian is dead.

You could be right but I can't see Paul killing off Brian.

[Guest_1001]

Truthfully, neither can I.

[NickThompson]

But then the title would be just MI:13.
No, it will be "And MI13" :wink:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I don't think anybody genuinely believes Brian will be dead. Re-invented maybe, but not dead. I hope that, along the way, we get to see an interesting exploration of what it means to BE Captain Britain, though. I think that the concept of creating a new Captain with somebody else would be far too predictable.

[Britannic]

Somebody hold me. :mad: Braddock Dead? The cover to issue 4 showing a **** costume and possible a new Captain (Britannic) Britain? ( I use the name in irony). Why oh why do writers feel the need to screw with Braddock more than most characters. How many times has he died now? If this is the case then I'll be dropping this quicker than my last load in the toliet. :mad:

[Guest_1001]

I'd be careful of the conclusion-leaping-to. We know practically nothing.

[Britannic]

True but something in me is worried. I will stick with it till then end of this story arch. The character on 4 does look like braddock but as I say I am worried.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Somebody hold me. :mad: Braddock Dead? The cover to issue 4 showing a **** costume and possible a new Captain (Britannic) Britain? ( I use the name in irony).

You know, mate, when we were commenting on this a couple of days ago I did think to myself 'I wonder how the guy who posts as 'Britannic' will respond to this. I hope he doesn't take offence. :biggrin:

Why oh why do writers feel the need to screw with Braddock more than most characters. How many times has he died now?

Technically it's only been once. He's been lost in the timestream, depowered and shot, but actual death was (since he became Captain Britain, anyway) a one time deal at the hands of The Fury.

If this is the case then I'll be dropping this quicker than my last load in the toliet. :mad:

Lol! Relax. Back in December Cornell did say that he was going to be putting certain British characters through certain hell in this series, but that it would all be for a logical story and for good character exploration.

It might be a long arc, but this one is all ABOUT Captain Britain. It'll work out.


I'd be careful of the conclusion-leaping-to. We know practically nothing.

We do. Other than one cover we know virtually nothing.

True but something in me is worried. I will stick with it till then end of this story arch. The character on 4 does look like braddock but as I say I am worried.

Have patience, friend. I still have confidence in this one.

[bkdane]

I don't think anybody genuinely believes Brian will be dead. Re-invented maybe, but not dead. I hope that, along the way, we get to see an interesting exploration of what it means to BE Captain Britain, though. I think that the concept of creating a new Captain with somebody else would be far too predictable.

Agreed "Mr. Sword" but let's hope "Fabio" does not make a comeback.

[Alphaxman]

I can’t see Brian dead. Marvel already tried it with a new Captain Britain and that didn’t work out.

And who would give him or anyone else for that matter their powers. I thought Roma stop being the HNIC in Otherworld. And I can’t see Theresa doing that, but I’m not reading New Exiles so I don’t know what’s up with all that.

***(HNIC is a black term for Head N***** in Charge)

[Whitster]

I think the biggest question no-ones asking is, when is Pete gonna have enough and get back on the fags?

[pariah-1972]

I think the biggest question no-ones asking is, when is Pete gonna have enough and get back on the fags?Probably once we get rid of Quesada...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Agreed "Mr. Sword" but let's hope "Fabio" does not make a comeback.

Lol. Somebody's been reading PC's blog... :biggrin:

I can’t see Brian dead. Marvel already tried it with a new Captain Britain and that didn’t work out.

I think, that if the storyline had been continue in Avengers (Disassembled meant that it couldn't) then It might have worked out - with Kelsey as Captain and Brian testing her regularly, just as Merlyn tested him. But without that throughline it didn't work, no.

And who would give him or anyone else for that matter their powers. I thought Roma stop being the HNIC in Otherworld. And I can’t see Theresa doing that, but I’m not reading New Exiles so I don’t know what’s up with all that.

***(HNIC is a black term for Head N***** in Charge)

I see. Well, the whole hierarchy of Otherworld is a bit fudged up right now. First Roma abdicated - fulfilling her father's wish and granting Brian the role of Omniversal Guardian. Then she was back without explanation in House of M. Then she died in X-Men: Die by the Sword - giving her 'knowledge' (Whatever that new retcon uis supposed to be all about) to Sage.

Now Saturnyne is running things - only NOT as Guardian, just as ruler. There is no Guardian, anymore, through death and continuity error.

I think the biggest question no-ones asking is, when is Pete gonna have enough and get back on the fags?

Lol. When Marvel properly removes its 'no smoking in panel' rule! :biggrin:

[Guest_1001]

I've noticed a few guys who smoke on-panel - most notably The Profile in Moon Knight, which is a more adult book, to be fair - but ultimately I find it odd that smoking may add something to characters but even then, it isn't allowed.

To some people, I probably sound kind of venemous saying that, since setting a good example is presumably better. But hey, they killed Captain America for the sake of story, they can smoke cigarettes for the sake of story . . .

[pariah-1972]

I've noticed a few guys who smoke on-panel - most notably The Profile in Moon Knight, which is a more adult book, to be fair - but ultimately I find it odd that smoking may add something to characters but even then, it isn't allowed.

To some people, I probably sound kind of venemous saying that, since setting a good example is presumably better. But hey, they killed Captain America for the sake of story, they can smoke cigarettes for the sake of story . . .Wasn't Wolverine smoking in the first issue of his First Class?
i'll have to double back and check.

[HepOne]

I get the feeling that we just witnessed the "Death" of Captain Britain. He isnt on any other covers and not mentioned in solicits. This coupled with "a hero returns" tells me that Captain Britain will be reborn in a new form from otherworld/siege perilous (i think thats what it is).

Sounds like my theory could be right

[bkdane]

Here's the link to the art preview from this week's My Cup Of Joe:

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week010/CB_5_COVER_PENCILSlr.sm.jpg

Any chance of giving Blade another shot? Putting on someone like Jason Aaron to write it would be pretty amazing.

1) You want some Blade do you, NLW? What if I told you that in September, Blade will be joining the cast of Captain Britain and MI 13 starting with issue 5.

[Guest_1001]

Here's a larger version:

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week010/CB_5_COVER_PENCILSlr.jpg

Well, that's put the rumours to rest. I mean, I guess we already knew, with Spitfire's vampirism and Paul's hints but it's nice to have confirmation. Or maybe it's annoying that the surprise has been spoiled. Matter of opinion, really.

British Blade FTW!

[Madrox84]

The Replacement.

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.3558.Captain_Britain~colon~_The_Repla cements

EEP!

Now i'm slightly worried...

I am actually kinda worried that Brian might genuinely be dead now...:eek:

I'm also slightly worried. But i agree with your comment below, i think Brian may be re-invented but not killed off.

I don't think anybody genuinely believes Brian will be dead. Re-invented maybe, but not dead. I hope that, along the way, we get to see an interesting exploration of what it means to BE Captain Britain, though. I think that the concept of creating a new Captain with somebody else would be far too predictable.

I think, that if the storyline had been continue in Avengers (Disassembled meant that it couldn't) then It might have worked out - with Kelsey as Captain and Brian testing her regularly, just as Merlyn tested him. But without that throughline it didn't work, no.

I would have liked to have seen the storyline with Kelsey as the new 616-Captain Britain followed up properly. But sadly we got her being punched silly by She-Hulk , written out and then given a non-sensical return in NEX.

Ah well.


I see. Well, the whole hierarchy of Otherworld is a bit fudged up right now. First Roma abdicated - fulfilling her father's wish and granting Brian the role of Omniversal Guardian. Then she was back without explanation in House of M. Then she died in X-Men: Die by the Sword - giving her 'knowledge' (Whatever that new retcon uis supposed to be all about) to Sage.

Now Saturnyne is running things - only NOT as Guardian, just as ruler. There is no Guardian, anymore, through death and continuity error.

Fudged up is putting it lightly. I could rant, but i think i may already have ranted about it a little too much.

Here's the link to the art preview from this week's My Cup Of Joe:

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week010/CB_5_COVER_PENCILSlr.sm.jpg

Any chance of giving Blade another shot? Putting on someone like Jason Aaron to write it would be pretty amazing.

1) You want some Blade do you, NLW? What if I told you that in September, Blade will be joining the cast of Captain Britain and MI 13 starting with issue 5.

Well that would seem to confirm the rumours. It will be very interesting to see Cornell write Blade and to see were he is planning to go with the Vampire plotline... I wonder if he plans to re-visit the plotline abut Spitfire's Grandson from New Invaders.

[Quinnhop]

Totally called Blade on this.

And I'm extremely excited to see them going with the look from the television series; rather than the movies.

Sorry Wesley Snipes, but... You're far too 90's for me.

That picture has to be from a cover, right? I mean... It's Hitch's work, for sure. Kirk's work is good, but not that good.

[Guest_1001]

Yep, cover to #5.

[Loki]

Technically it's only been once. He's been lost in the timestream, depowered and shot, but actual death was (since he became Captain Britain, anyway) a one time deal at the hands of The Fury.
Sorry to correct you, but Brian has died twice since becoming CB. The first time was when he was slain by the White Rider as he attempted to enter Otherworld with the Black Knight. Merlyn brought him back that time too, entering the spirit realm to save his soul before it passed through the jaws of death and was lost permanently.

[Madrox84]

Totally called Blade on this.

And I'm extremely excited to see them going with the look from the television series; rather than the movies.

Sorry Wesley Snipes, but... You're far too 90's for me.

That picture has to be from a cover, right? I mean... It's Hitch's work, for sure. Kirk's work is good, but not that good.

Yeah, a few others called it as well.

It certainly does look like a cover, that's definately Hitchy's work.

[bkdane]

Here is a link to Climbing Shrimp Productions which includes a lot on Captain Britain and an interview with Paul Cornell. Rated MA

http://climbingshrimp.blogspot.com/

[Madrox84]

Here is a link to Climbing Shrimp Productions which includes a lot on Captain Britain and an interview with Paul Cornell. Rated MA

http://climbingshrimp.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the link. I shall have to have a listen to that interview later today... Once the cricket is finished...

[Guest_1001]

Here is a link to Climbing Shrimp Productions which includes a lot on Captain Britain and an interview with Paul Cornell. Rated MA

http://climbingshrimp.blogspot.com/

The Alan Davis interview is great but it's a shame we don't hear anything new about CB&MI:13. Well, except for Paul stating that Pete will "have to do something big and terrible in our first few issues because nobody else will do it". Looks like we've got something new to speculate over.

And although this is totally off-topic, those two host guys really annoy me . . .

[Madrox84]

Here is a link to Climbing Shrimp Productions which includes a lot on Captain Britain and an interview with Paul Cornell. Rated MA

http://climbingshrimp.blogspot.com/

I've just listened to the interview. It was pretty good, but there wasn't really anything new in there...

Thanks for the link though :smile:

[Britannic]

So are Captain Midlands and Union Jack officially group members?

[Guest_1001]

So are Captain Midlands and Union Jack officially group members?

Technically every British hero is a member, as said in the story, but for the moment Captain Midlands and Union Jack are definitely not part of the main group. Cornell's response when asked whether Captain Midlands will be turning up was "we'll get round to him", so it sounds like he'll be in it but not for a while. I'm guessing Union Jack is the same.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sorry to correct you, but Brian has died twice since becoming CB. The first time was when he was slain by the White Rider as he attempted to enter Otherworld with the Black Knight. Merlyn brought him back that time too, entering the spirit realm to save his soul before it passed through the jaws of death and was lost permanently.

And this is where my patchy issues of Hulk Comic let me down. I have a few missing during the Parkhouse/Dillion stories, and this would be one of them.

[Madrox84]

Technically every British hero is a member, as said in the story, but for the moment Captain Midlands and Union Jack are definitely not part of the main group. Cornell's response when asked whether Captain Midlands will be turning up was "we'll get round to him", so it sounds like he'll be in it but not for a while. I'm guessing Union Jack is the same.

I'm hoping that we do get to see them soon.

Captain Midlands rules.

[Guest_1001]

I'm hoping that we do get to see them soon.

Captain Midlands rules.

I don't think anyone will argue that. :biggrin:

. . .

. . . Because they'll be skinned alive if they do . . .

[ultramandingo]

Technically every British hero is a member....

....to bad marvel no longer has the rights to tarzan ( league of marvelous gentlemen ? ) guess kazar will have to do

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'm hoping to see Blade and Captain Midlands exchange some views...:biggrin:

[Madrox84]

I don't think anyone will argue that. :biggrin:

. . .

. . . Because they'll be skinned alive if they do . . .

Indeed they would... Muahahaaa.

I'm hoping to see Blade and Captain Midlands exchange some views...:biggrin:

That would be well worth seeing.

I also really want to see how Captain Midlands and Captain Britain would interact as well.

[Guest_1001]

....to bad marvel no longer has the rights to tarzan ( league of marvelous gentlemen ? ) guess kazar will have to do

Hey, as long as they still have Death's Head and Motormouth and Killpower, all is well. :smile:

I also really want to see how Captain Midlands and Captain Britain would interact as well.

Best case scenario; Captain Britain and Captain Midlands see each other and Captain Midlands salutes. Now that's what I call a patriot!

I'm actually just looking forward to seeing a Leonard Kirk-drawn Captain Midlands. I'm loving the art and know he'd draw a Sid to be proud of.

[Whitster]

Wheres this issue 5 cover that everybodys talking about at?

[Guest_1001]

Here you go:

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week010/CB_5_COVER_PENCILSlr.jpg

[Porcelain]

Quick question...I just bought Wisdom but I don't know whether to read it now before the next issue, or wait till I've finished going through Excalibur (I've just got to where they've upped sticks to Muir Isle) - what do you reckon?

[pariah-1972]

Quick question...I just bought Wisdom but I don't know whether to read it now before the next issue, or wait till I've finished going through Excalibur (I've just got to where they've upped sticks to Muir Isle) - what do you reckon?Read Wisdom first definitely.

[Madrox84]

Best case scenario; Captain Britain and Captain Midlands see each other and Captain Midlands salutes. Now that's what I call a patriot!

I agree that is probably the best case scenario... I wonder what the worst case would be...

Bah now i want to see them meet...

I'm actually just looking forward to seeing a Leonard Kirk-drawn Captain Midlands. I'm loving the art and know he'd draw a Sid to be proud of.

Me too.

Quick question...I just bought Wisdom but I don't know whether to read it now before the next issue, or wait till I've finished going through Excalibur (I've just got to where they've upped sticks to Muir Isle) - what do you reckon?

I'd say read Ellis' Excalibur run first, then read Wisdom.

Do you have Ellis' Excalibur issues?

[StoneGold]

So wait, does this count as an X-book?

[Madrox84]

So wait, does this count as an X-book?

Well the solcits are being listed in the X-Books Section of Marvel Solicitations, but the book has been described by the writer and the editor as more of a Marvel Universe book than an X-Book.

I don't know why Marvel are continuing to Solcit it as an X-Book...

[Expletive Deleted]

So wait, does this count as an X-book?Brian and I haven't talked about it, but I'm operating under the assumption that it's not.

[StoneGold]

Brian and I haven't talked about it, but I'm operating under the assumption that it's not.

I wasn't even thinking about it as a board issue, more under what editorial office does it fall. Because it totally doesn't feel like an X book. There's like one mutant in the book, and he's no longer the title character.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd say read Ellis' Excalibur run first, then read Wisdom.

Do you have Ellis' Excalibur issues?

Either or would be fine, I'd say. As far as CB&MI:13 is concerned Wisdom should probably be your priority. But any Ellis period Excalibur is definitely a good read.

So wait, does this count as an X-book?

Yes, and also No. :biggrin:

Technically speaking it's still being run through Nick Lowe and the X-Office. It did start its life as the next incarnation of Excalibur, after all. However, in content, there is very little this book has in common with the X-Titles, at all.

[Madrox84]

Either or would be fine, I'd say. As far as CB&MI:13 is concerned Wisdom should probably be your priority. But any Ellis period Excalibur is definitely a good read.

Your probably right there... But i can't help but plug Ellis' Excalibur.

Yes, and also No. :biggrin:

Technically speaking it's still being run through Nick Lowe and the X-Office. It did start its life as the next incarnation of Excalibur, after all. However, in content, there is very little this book has in common with the X-Titles, at all.

It really is a yes and no answer.

But when it comes down to i'd say no. But that's just my opinion...

[Rahul]

Since Blade is going to be regular member from issue 5 I brought this title with no great knwoledge of most of the characters, and I liked it, art as well.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It really is a yes and no answer.

But when it comes down to i'd say no. But that's just my opinion...

It's my opinion, also. Put simply this book encompasses much larger things than the X-Titles do. There's a whole Country to protect here, and the purpose of this team is deal wirth much more than on issue.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It really is a yes and no answer.

But when it comes down to i'd say no. But that's just my opinion...

It's my opinion, also. Put simply this book encompasses much larger things than the X-Titles do. There's a whole Country to protect here, and the purpose of this team is deal wirth much more than on issue.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It really is a yes and no answer.

But when it comes down to i'd say no. But that's just my opinion...

It's my opinion, also. Put simply this book encompasses much larger things than the X-Titles do. There's a whole Country to protect here, and the purpose of this team is deal wirth much more than on issue.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Guess I should have known better than to try posting before 10am GMT. My posts before then always seem to be added to the thread, but the thread doesn't get bumped up the board.

Oh well, here goes...

[Madrox84]

It's my opinion, also. Put simply this book encompasses much larger things than the X-Titles do. There's a whole Country to protect here, and the purpose of this team is deal wirth much more than on issue.

Indeed it does.

And it great to see a British Marvel title like it, absolutely great.

[Constantinople]

I assume that Lionheart will also be appearing, along with Blade? But is it possible that Elsa Bloodstone will appear?

[Jcam]

This first issue was definitely a good anchor to keep me drawn into the rest of the series. Good character portrayals, great artwork, and an interesting plotline. It was fantastic to see the quirky Skrull power-combinations square off against the heroes. I'll definitely be following this, if not for the what was mentioned above, then solely for the Black Knight.

[jarrod]

Blade's great! Elisa and Lionheart would be fab too... man, I think we need a second MI-13 team book! :biggrin:

Still holding out hope for Lockheed and Tangerine finding their way to Cornell. Also, Moira's ghost. <3 <3

[Guest_1001]

Lionheart isn't appearing, as far as I know and after Claremont's messup, it's not surprising and I'm glad she's gone.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Lionheart isn't appearing, as far as I know and after Claremont's messup, it's not surprising and I'm glad she's gone.

I may be in the minority, but I would very much like to see Kelsey again, someday. I actually liked Austen's take on the difference between a Captain choosing the Amulet and the Sword. I wish Chris Claremont had actually embraced that take rather than writing his Amulet=GOOD and Sword=EVIL stance in New Excalibur.

[hallben]

Here is a link to Climbing Shrimp Productions which includes a lot on Captain Britain and an interview with Paul Cornell. Rated MA

http://climbingshrimp.blogspot.com/

Hey guys. Glad to see some of you went and checked out the show, this with a few other plugs made it our most listened to show yet! Though fair enough, me and Marc can be very irritating with our voices. :biggrin:

Just thought I would let you know, the latest show is also very comic related with 6 comic related interviews from the Bristol Comic Con featuring in it.

I hope you don't take this as a shameless plug though.:evilsmile: