Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?

[TMC1982]

*Peggy Charren - Peggy Charren spearheaded a major movement (via her watchdog group Action for Children's Television or ACT) to censor cartoons during the 1970s and 1980s. In essence, she was pretty much telling and bullying networks that animated shows couldn't show violence and "anti-social behavior". In the end this left with really no other option for viewers to only watch "pro-social" cartoons that fits into her parameters. In return, Peggy Charren's biggest legacy was probably that of the Children's Television Act of 1990. The Children's Television Act of 1990 was further strengthened in about 1996 via the three hours of education mandate on broadcast networks. Ironically, it really is the only reason Saturday morning cartoons still exist among over-the-air broadcasters, since all the profitable cartoons and kids shows have long since moved to cable (i.e. Cartoon Network, NickToons, Toon Disney, etc.).

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.

*Fred Calvert - Fred Calvert is the man who was chosen to finish "The Thief and the Cobbler" (or "Arabian Knight" as it was theatrically released as in the United States in 1995) after Richard Williams was fired from his 20+ year pet project.

*Jamie Kellner - Wrestling fans hate Jamie Kellner because he ordered the cancellation of WCW programming on TBS/TNT. Eric Bischoff and his group of investors were on the verge of purchasing WCW from Time Warner. But when Kellner had the shows cancelled, this gave Vince McMahon the opportunity to purchase his competition and have a virtual monopoly on the North American pro wrestling market. Anyway, Jamie Kelner was also the WB executive who made sweeping changes, which led to the cancellation/retinkering of certain beloved Silver Age WB shows (i.e. "Animaniacs", "Freakazoid!", "Road Rovers", "Histeria!", "The Legend of Calamity Jane", and "Pinky and the Brain"). Kellner has been maligned for allegedly ignoring such shows' popularity among older demographics, among whom the programs often got higher ratings than in the 2-11 demographic (a la "Pokemon") at which Kids' WB! was primarily aimed.

*Bob Camp - Bob Camp is the guy who took over from John K./Spumco on the production of "Ren and Stimpy" when Nickelodeon fired John K. When Camp and his Games Animation production company took over, I think that fans felt that the show became too reliant on cheap gross out jokes. Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

*Michael Eisner - Eisner gained a reputation during his time as the CEO of the Disney Company for allegedly micromanaging the Disney animators out of their jobs, literally forcing Pixar away, killing a lot of the "Disney Afternoon" style shows by only letting them run a maximum of 65 episodes, and churring out straight-to-DVD/video "cheap-quels" to films such as "The Little Mermaid", "The Lion King", "Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", etc.

*Glen Kennedy - Kennedy's animation studio worked on "Tiny Toon Adventures", "A Pup Named Scooby Doo", and many "Disney Afternoon" shows. Animation fans have criticized Kennedy for his apparent knack of sloppiness (e.g. often lumpy, bouncy, and stretchy movements) on the shows he and his company worked on when compared to StarToons (who also worked on "Tiny Toons").

*Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

*Carl Macek - Macek was the producer and story editor of "Robotech" (which was originally made up of three unrelated anime). Fans of anime have criticized Macek (who has been dubbed "The Antichrist (http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Carl+Macek+antichrist)" on usernet forums) for changing the dialogue in order to remove what he called "ethnic gestures". Also, Macek has been heavily criticized for the major, and some fans argue, pointless changes to the dubbing of "Aura Battler Dunbine".

[Michael P]

65 episodes is a pretty standard run for an animated series.

[ChrisIII]

I've heard Don Bluth isn't too popular these days.

[rick]

When he was alive, it was Walt Disney.

[vazel]

Whoever was the idiot responsible for cancelling the popular Exosquad. The toyline would actually survive the show in retail by two years.

[ZT4]

John K, creator of Ren and Stimpy, is pretty hostilic towards certain periods of animation and Film Roman in particular.

Dan DiDio was in charge of Mainframe when the decisions were made to cancel Reboot and commision Beast Machines....then came the endless amount of Barbie movies.

[JDogindy]

*Peggy Charren - Peggy Charren spearheaded a major movement (via her watchdog group Action for Children's Television or ACT) to censor cartoons during the 1970s and 1980s. In essence, she was pretty much telling and bullying networks that animated shows couldn't show violence and "anti-social behavior". In the end this left with really no other option for viewers to only watch "pro-social" cartoons that fits into her parameters. In return, Peggy Charren's biggest legacy was probably that of the Children's Television Act of 1990. The Children's Television Act of 1990 was further strengthened in about 1996 via the three hours of education mandate on broadcast networks. Ironically, it really is the only reason Saturday morning cartoons still exist among over-the-air broadcasters, since all the profitable cartoons and kids shows have long since moved to cable (i.e. Cartoon Network, NickToons, Toon Disney, etc.).

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.

*Fred Calvert - Fred Calvert is the man who was chosen to finish "The Thief and the Cobbler" (or "Arabian Knight" as it was theatrically released as in the United States in 1995) after Richard Williams was fired from his 20+ year pet project.

*Jamie Kellner - Wrestling fans hate Jamie Kellner because he ordered the cancellation of WCW programming on TBS/TNT. Eric Bischoff and his group of investors were on the verge of purchasing WCW from Time Warner. But when Kellner had the shows cancelled, this gave Vince McMahon the opportunity to purchase his competition and have a virtual monopoly on the North American pro wrestling market. Anyway, Jamie Kelner was also the WB executive who made sweeping changes, which led to the cancellation/retinkering of certain beloved Silver Age WB shows (i.e. "Animaniacs", "Freakazoid!", "Road Rovers", "Histeria!", "The Legend of Calamity Jane", and "Pinky and the Brain"). Kellner has been maligned for allegedly ignoring such shows' popularity among older demographics, among whom the programs often got higher ratings than in the 2-11 demographic (a la "Pokemon") at which Kids' WB! was primarily aimed.

*Bob Camp - Bob Camp is the guy who took over from John K./Spumco on the production of "Ren and Stimpy" when Nickelodeon fired John K. When Camp and his Games Animation production company took over, I think that fans felt that the show became too reliant on cheap gross out jokes. Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

*Michael Eisner - Eisner gained a reputation during his time as the CEO of the Disney Company for allegedly micromanaging the Disney animators out of their jobs, literally forcing Pixar away, killing a lot of the "Disney Afternoon" style shows by only letting them run a maximum of 65 episodes, and churring out straight-to-DVD/video "cheap-quels" to films such as "The Little Mermaid", "The Lion King", "Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", etc.

*Glen Kennedy - Kennedy's animation studio worked on "Tiny Toon Adventures", "A Pup Named Scooby Doo", and many "Disney Afternoon" shows. Animation fans have criticized Kennedy for his apparent knack of sloppiness (e.g. often lumpy, bouncy, and stretchy movements) on the shows he and his company worked on when compared to StarToons (who also worked on "Tiny Toons").

*Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

Here's my take on some of them:

Kahn: Don't mention his name around "One Piece" fans. Of all the shows he "Americanized", he pratically chopped that one to pieces by making guns into dopey-looking hammers, eliminating violent sequences, and rewriting a scenario where a character that was supposed to die actually survives.

Eisner: Didn't like him at all, regardless of anything that he has done.

Kellner: Despite all the good reasons, the Real Deal made him the OFFICIAL cause of "The Death of WCW". Cartoon wise, he's got that "old guy" approach and thinks that kids like "hip" stuff, and that brought us "Loonatics" and "Eon Kid", for example.

Scully: One of the reasons why we commonly complain that the quality of The Simpsons is lower than it was a decade ago. Since he created Jerkass Homer and that most of his episodes are in "Worst" lists, he deserves much of the blame.

[ChrisIII]

Like Kahn, Carl Macek has gotten some flak for altering/mistranslating some anime series. Then again in the eighties anime fandom wasn't as strong as it was now. And even though it was heavily altered from the original "Macross", "Robotech" still managed to be a franchise all it's own.

[StoneGold]

When he was alive, it was Walt Disney.

Funny, I was thinking either him or Leon Schlesinger.

[BoosterBronze]

Hirohito? Look at those old Fleisher Superman cartoons. They HATED that dude.

[BoosterBronze]

When he was alive, it was Walt Disney.

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[Royal]

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Uber-Nationalist who would turn his granny into the HUAC if she put Russian dressing on her salad.

[BoosterBronze]

Uber-Nationalist who would turn his granny into the HUAC if she put Russian dressing on her salad.

Besides the fact Grandma Disney WAS in fact selling secrets to Stalin, I thought you meant the animation industry hated him for something to do with animation.

[Guy1]

*Peggy Charren - Peggy Charren spearheaded a major movement (via her watchdog group Action for Children's Television or ACT) to censor cartoons during the 1970s and 1980s. In essence, she was pretty much telling and bullying networks that animated shows couldn't show violence and "anti-social behavior". In the end this left with really no other option for viewers to only watch "pro-social" cartoons that fits into her parameters. In return, Peggy Charren's biggest legacy was probably that of the Children's Television Act of 1990. The Children's Television Act of 1990 was further strengthened in about 1996 via the three hours of education mandate on broadcast networks. Ironically, it really is the only reason Saturday morning cartoons still exist among over-the-air broadcasters, since all the profitable cartoons and kids shows have long since moved to cable (i.e. Cartoon Network, NickToons, Toon Disney, etc.).

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.


Personally, I would go with Alfred Kahn.

[Black Atom]

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.


Get over it, already. Most of the shows weren't that great to begin with and the alternative is not getting to see them at all.

[LordEd1976]

Does Eisner have anything to do with Gargoyles being moved to Saturday mornings on ABC where it was either shown at the crack of dawn or at a late morning time slot where it would be not shown whenever there was a college football game?

Also, who the heck let head writer Greg Weisman go and replace the stuff he wrote with inferior stories and scripts which bore little to no resemblance to the stories Weisman had planned.

[ZT4]

Leo Burnett and 4Kids are the devil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlIcJbbm08)

[JDogindy]

Leo Burnett and 4Kids are the devil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlIcJbbm08)

I know a friend who makes a bunch of parody videos about how messed up 4Kids is.

[ZT4]

I know a friend who makes a bunch of parody videos about how messed up 4Kids is.

I think I've seen it somewhere, it's accurate, but with 4Kids being so obvious with their errors, how can it not be without research?:cool:

Leo Burnett was the pioneer of animated commercalism, creating the Green Giant and Tony The Tiger icons. Guess Eric Stuart (James) seemed to think he was in a commercial...Whereever did he get that idea from?:wink:

[The Xenos]

4kids is an abomination. They totally sunk One Piece and I have to wonder if it could had been as big as Naurto had someone else got it form the start.

Michael Eisner was a businessman who pretended to be Walt. I know Walt isn't the saint everyone makes him out to be, but still, Eisner fell miles short of the image he tried to sell. I was a kid watching Walt Disney Presents on tv and I thought he was so fake introducing movies.

Dan DiDio was in charge of Mainframe when the decisions were made to cancel Reboot and commision Beast Machines....then came the endless amount of Barbie movies.

Well good to know that man has disappeared into obscurity and can never do anything to characters I love again. :rolleyes:

[Robotech Master]

RE: Also, who the heck let head writer Greg Weisman go and replace the stuff he wrote with inferior stories and scripts which bore little to no resemblance to the stories Weisman had planned.

I think you're a little confused here. Weisman only wrote and condoned episode one of the Goliath Chronicles. Everything from then on in the 'third season' wasn't by him. He currently doesn't regard Goliath Chronicles as Canon. Exactly who was responsible for that mess, I don't know. Greg started a comic book continuing the story, with the first two issues being a retelling of Chronicles Episode 1, and from then on going in its own, originally planned direction.

[Pól Rua]

When he was alive, it was Walt Disney.

Funny, I was thinking either him or Leon Schlesinger.

Yup. Damn straight on both. Walt edges Schlesinger out though, I think.

It's amazing how narrow a lot of people's focus is, when 'The History of the Animation Industry' extends as far as 'the cartoons you're watching now'.

[Rod G]

The Federal Communication Commisiion.


Period.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Kellnor is a pretty dumb fuck. He killed a $50+ million dollar deal for Time Warner . They were selling WCW to Bischoff and his group. Kellnor thought he was flexing his power and pretty much watched as Time Warner sold to McMahon for a measly couple million.

Time Warner had lost millions in 2000 on WCW. The $50 million buyout would have appeased some. You know looking back a lot of TW Execs gotta be pissed since they blew a chance to make good damn money on the dying company.

[LordEd1976]

RE: Also, who the heck let head writer Greg Weisman go and replace the stuff he wrote with inferior stories and scripts which bore little to no resemblance to the stories Weisman had planned.

I think you're a little confused here. Weisman only wrote and condoned episode one of the Goliath Chronicles. Everything from then on in the 'third season' wasn't by him. He currently doesn't regard Goliath Chronicles as Canon. Exactly who was responsible for that mess, I don't know. Greg started a comic book continuing the story, with the first two issues being a retelling of Chronicles Episode 1, and from then on going in its own, originally planned direction.

More like I worded worng. I know about the fact Weisman only wrote the first episode of GC. What I'm saying is, who the heck fired/replaced Weisman and then butchered his ideas.

[TMC1982]

Kellnor is a pretty dumb fuck. He killed a $50+ million dollar deal for Time Warner . They were selling WCW to Bischoff and his group. Kellnor thought he was flexing his power and pretty much watched as Time Warner sold to McMahon for a measly couple million.

Time Warner had lost millions in 2000 on WCW. The $50 million buyout would have appeased some. You know looking back a lot of TW Execs gotta be pissed since they blew a chance to make good damn money on the dying company.

The main problem with Jamie Kellner concerning WCW I feel, is that he purely saw the wrestling programming on the Turner stations as simple another TV show that had its peak days, but has since run its course. I didn't take under consideration that the pro wrestling industry is cyclical and his constantly reinventing itself.

[TMC1982]

4kids is an abomination. They totally sunk One Piece and I have to wonder if it could had been as big as Naurto had someone else got it form the start.

Michael Eisner was a businessman who pretended to be Walt. I know Walt isn't the saint everyone makes him out to be, but still, Eisner fell miles short of the image he tried to sell. I was a kid watching Walt Disney Presents on tv and I thought he was so fake introducing movies.



Well good to know that man has disappeared into obscurity and can never do anything to characters I love again. :rolleyes:

When Walt Disney did the intros, he was looked upon as being warm and folksy. Michael Eisner on the other hand, simply came across as a corporate suit during those intros.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The main problem with Jamie Kellner concerning WCW I feel, is that he purely saw the wrestling programming on the Turner stations as simple another TV show that had its peak days, but has since run its course. I didn't take under consideration that the pro wrestling industry is cyclical and his constantly reinventing itself.

And lets be honest.... WCW's ratings were at the end for Nitro was a 2.0 and WCW Thunder was 1.7 . In cable terms ...people for most cable stations would give their right nuts to get a 1.0 . So here they cancelled to programs not for the fact they were on their way down... but because Kellner simply felt "They were too low brow" for the Time Warner networks...

Of course... he's the jackass who later casted a reality TV show on TBS where women chased after a dude who lived like Crocodile Dundee. And he called Pro Wrestling "Low brow..":rolleyes:

[Slam_Bradley]

Yup. Damn straight on both. Walt edges Schlesinger out though, I think.

It's amazing how narrow a lot of people's focus is, when 'The History of the Animation Industry' extends as far as 'the cartoons you're watching now'.

My understanding is that Fred Quimby would be right in there. From everything I've heard the head of MGM animation (Tom & Jerry, Droopy) was a humorless prickish bean-counter who was despised by everyone who worked for him.

[Agent Helix]

Obsessive, stunted fans. Trust me, those guys are the most hated.

[Naetnalta]

Peggy Charren sounds like the Frederic Wertham of cartoons. But really, what violence did she get rid of? I still saw Plucky Duck getting hit with heavy objects. It's not like kids were watching realistic stabbings on their Saturday morning cartoons before she came along, did they?

[TMC1982]

My understanding is that Fred Quimby would be right in there. From everything I've heard the head of MGM animation (Tom & Jerry, Droopy) was a humorless prickish bean-counter who was despised by everyone who worked for him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Quimby

In 1938, William Hanna and Joseph Barbera presented him with their project for a series of cartoons featuring a cat and a mouse. Quimby approved, and the result was Puss Gets The Boot, nominated for an Academy Award. As producer, Quimby became a repeated recipient of the Academy Award for Animated Short Film for the Tom and Jerry films, and his name became well known due to its prominence in the cartoon credits. However, Quimby was very much unliked:

“ ...unfortunately for a cartoon producer, [he had] no sense of humor to call upon... He knew nothing of animation and cartoons were a strange thing to him. Cast in the role of high school principal opposite the animators' boyish enthusiasms, he acted as liaisons between them and the front office, usually it seemed, turning down requests for bigger budgets, raises and special dispensations of funds.

[The Xenos]

When Walt Disney did the intros, he was looked upon as being warm and folksy. Michael Eisner on the other hand, simply came across as a corporate suit during those intros.

I know! I was young when I first watched those. After watching Walt's almost magical intros in reruns as a kid, I thought the guy was a hack. I couldn't wait for this stuffy jackass to get off the screen. How dare he pretend to be Walt! Now I know even more about Eisner and it seems worse.

Peggy Charren sounds like the Frederic Wertham of cartoons. But really, what violence did she get rid of? I still saw Plucky Duck getting hit with heavy objects. It's not like kids were watching realistic stabbings on their Saturday morning cartoons before she came along, did they?

I'm of the opposite mindset. I think the cartoony violence and GI Joe rule of no one dying sends a worse message to kids. Someone gets hit with an anvil and doesn't get hurt? People don't die in a war? Wow. That's a pretty f---ed up message to tell kids.

If you ask me, you should show characters dying in kids storytelling. It helps kids cope with deaths in real life. Especially with families who have parents and relatives over seas fighting a war right now, many of those kids better be ready for the consequence of death in war. Cartoons are a prime way to prepare kids for reality.

Seasame Street used cartoony Muppets. When the actor who Mr Hooper along side those Muppets died, the show made the wise choice of killing the character. They used it and the childlike character of Big Bird to deal with the very real issue of death that many kids will need to deal with. God bless them for that.