2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega thread

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I hope Obama wins...I know I'd be pissed if McCain steals this one . Given that he's ran a hell of a smear campaign and has a woman who I'm scared will some day be President and launch us into a War....please OBAMA WIN....WIN OBAMA !

[Karl J Barnes]

Hoping that Obama wins, I still can't wait for this election to be over. It has been way too long of an election.

[Major Comma]

The depessing thing is the cycle starts again in two years.

[Karl J Barnes]

The depessing thing is the cycle starts again in two years.

SHHH! Let me have my fantasy for a while....

[LtMarvel]

I am looking forward to tomorrow NO MATTER WHO WINS.
People are going to vote in record numbers tomorrow.
Its a great day for Democracy and America.
Weren't those long lines of early voters a thing of beauty?

What makes this a great country is the peaceful change of power every 4-8 years.

[LtMarvel]

The depessing thing is the cycle starts again in two years.
Oh it has already started...

[Bergman]

I don't know about that.

Look how many people across the country have been willing to stand in long lines for early voting.

I suspect that regardless of the results, we are going to see a massive voter turnout.

On Sunday, I waited in line four hours to vote. It was cold and it kept raining on-and-off, but the line went all the way around the block at the downtown St Pete election office. The number of people there overwhelmingly supported Barack Obama!:biggrin:

[Michael P]

Weren't those long lines of early voters a thing of beauty?

What makes this a great country is the peaceful change of power every 4-8 years.

"You know what's great about America? Every two years, we get to overthrow the government." Amy Gardner (Mary-Louise Parker), "The West Wing"

[Major Comma]

LtMarvel,
Yeah, but I like to live in denial!

[KevinTBrown]

Oh how cute!!! Samurai appears in this thread for the first time since Sept. 27th.

Getting ready for the next four years, hopefully 8, of saying "President Obama"...?

[Samurai]

Oh how cute!!! Samurai appears in this thread for the first time since Sept. 27th.

Getting ready for the next four years, hopefully 8, of saying "President Obama"...?

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

[EdContradictory]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

POS? Wow. Angry already? Get ready for a long four years...

[Nick Soapdish]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

I survived admitting that Dubya was my president. I rarely use his title and I'm not embracing the guy, but he's still my president. I'm not going to be too childish about that.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Oh how cute!!! Samurai appears in this thread for the first time since Sept. 27th.

Getting ready for the next four years, hopefully 8, of saying "President Obama"...?

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

Sadly yes....of course I'll call her Vice President Moron since I know she's gonna screw up something. Least for 4-8 years we can have grand comedy of her ...and McCain fucking up more things.

[Corrina]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

You are a shitty American.

That statement is the most unpatriotic thing I have seen on this entire board.

America is nothing if not a nation of laws. George W. Bush is President of the United States. I may hate it, I may think he's the worst president ever, but he's still the President, by rule of law and by voter decision. And if McCain wins, he's the President-elect because the voters have determined it to be so.

That's the way it works. And if you don't like the candidate, then work to get rid of him over time and you state your mind and you work to get your views to be heard and your people elected.

And if enough people disagree, you're out of luck.

That's what America is.

And if you don't believe in the outcome of an election determined by rule of law, then you don't believe in America and you need to pack up your unpatriotic self and get the hell out.

[Black Atom]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

Wow, dude. What has Obama done to deserve being called a piece of shit? Jesus.

In most elections there's a fair amount of gray area and you can find fault with both the candidates and supporters of both sides, but really it's attitudes like this one and that of other McCain supporters that really help paint the picture of modern-day Republicans and their base as ignorant, villainous cretins. You're everything that sucks about America, in other words. I'll rejoice when your time is over.

[KevinTBrown]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

"P.O.S.".....

That says more about your character than anything else you've ever said. I won't call you a shitty American, though I agree with Corrina. I won't call you a a racist, though I also agree with that as well.

No, what I will call you is this: A FUCKING PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING AND A WASTE OF SPACE ON THIS PLANET. You, sir, deserve every ounce of hatred you've illicited on this site.

I am going to gleefully "watch" you squirm when Obama wins, when he's sworn in, and when he's making changes for the betterment of America and not his cronies.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I survived admitting that Dubya was my president. I rarely use his title and I'm not embracing the guy, but he's still my president. I'm not going to be too childish about that.

Ohh yeah....I mean people at least accept on planet Earth G.W Bush is President. Its something 75% of the population hates to admit...but they do. The guy was a classic fuck up.


And it comes down to the whole thing John Cleese and another man joked about different times. The reason Bush beat Gore was more could see drinking a cold one with Bush in a bar. That he had that whole...country boy , guy next door charm to win. Where as Gore was more smart and like some school teacher. And as Cleese said Americans hate people who are smart and have this thing where if you have an Education its considered elitist !

So Bush, McCain and Palin aren't smart. They are what some want....people who live next door and hang out at the local bar. So whats scary is the fact some want that as President. Do you want some dude your drinkin buddies with to be leader of the free world ?











No I didn't think so. Give me the smart guy.

[Infra-Man]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/facepalm4.jpg
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/LIEFAIL.jpg

[Buzz Dixon]

The depessing thing is the cycle starts again in two years.Two YEARS?!?!? Ha! Try the day after the votes are tabulated!

[KevinTBrown]

Two YEARS?!?!? Ha! Try the day after the votes are tabulated!

Hm.

I thought Palin was already campaigning......

[Buzz Dixon]

Wow, dude. What has Obama done to deserve being called a piece of shit?For some people, just being a Democrat, for others, being black, for others still, being both.

C'mon, Sam, lighten up. Even the KKK and Aryan Nations are enthusiastic about the concept of President Obama. Think of what it will do for recruiting!

[Michael P]

For some people, just being a Democrat, for others, being black, for others still, being both.

C'mon, Sam, lighten up. Even the KKK and Aryan Nations are enthusiastic about the concept of President Obama. Think of what it will do for recruiting!

Hell, if the Republicans lose and it inspires them to take back their party from the scumfucks and wackjobs they handed it over to twenty years ago, Obama could turn out to the be the best thing to happen to the party since Lincoln.

[KevinTBrown]

For some people, just being a Democrat, for others, being black, for others still, being both.

C'mon, Sam, lighten up. Even the KKK and Aryan Nations are enthusiastic about the concept of President Obama. Think of what it will do for recruiting!

And rifle and ammo sales.........









Yeah, it's tasteless, but unfortunately accurate.

[Adam C]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

What exactly did Obama do? Did he lie to achieve his policies which then resulted in utter disaster for the United States and nations abroad? Did he actively vilify people for their sexual orientation and seek to deny them equal rights under the law, and even subject them to abuse? Did he run roughshod over the laws of the country and torture people in contravention of the basic ethical framework of democratic states? Because I have seen you defend all these things and it is hilarious as it is vile to see you characterise him as "piece of shit".

[section 8]

And rifle and ammo sales.........









Yeah, it's tasteless, but unfortunately accurate.

I do not understand thier logic.
If the KKK and Company REALLY wanted to hurt Obama.....they'd endorse him!

I don't know of anyone who wants to be on the side of the KKK.




((don't you guys ever watch "South Park"?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

What exactly did Obama do? Did he lie to achieve his policies which then resulted in utter disaster for the United States and nations abroad? Did he actively vilify people for their sexual orientation and seek to deny them equal rights under the law, and even subject them to abuse? Did he run roughshod over the laws of the country and torture people in contravention of the basic ethical framework of democratic states? Because I have seen you defend all these things and it is hilarious as it is vile to see you characterise him as "piece of shit".

He's basically everything the Republican party isn't . So they hate that. He's so good it sickens them. Plus he's black and since McCain and Palin have used more hate filled rally's ...ya get why he's hated by some many in the party.

It sickens them that this is the year that possibly they lost to a black man running for President. Many won't say it....but underneath...its getting to them.

[a. non]

Sam...*sigh*


*turning things a bit*

Has this been brough up yet: has anyone noticed this election is eeriely similar to the 2006 election from The West Wing?

[Infra-Man]

Sam...*sigh*


*turning things a bit*

Has this been brough up yet: has anyone noticed this election is eeriely similar to the 2006 election from The West Wing?

Obama will win Texas while McCain will win California?

Matrack Santobama? (and yes, I realize Obama was the inspiration for Santos)

[KevinTBrown]

Sam...*sigh*


*turning things a bit*

Has this been brough up yet: has anyone noticed this election is eeriely similar to the 2006 election from The West Wing?

Just replace Leo McGarry with Obama's grandmother.

[section 8]

Dude! Kevin, feeling a bit dark today are we?


(I thought morbid humor was MY job)

[Michael P]

Sam...*sigh*


*turning things a bit*

Has this been brough up yet: has anyone noticed this election is eeriely similar to the 2006 election from The West Wing?

Only fucking everybody.

Once crucial difference that's seemed to escape people's notice, though: In that election, the candidates were running to replace a relatively popular Democrat. Here, they're running to replace a Republican with the lowest approval ratings in history.

[kingdom2000]

POS? Wow. Angry already? Get ready for a long four years...

Naw he is secretly excited cause now everything can be blamed on Democrats again! Without that what does he really have?

[kingdom2000]

I survived admitting that Dubya was my president. I rarely use his title and I'm not embracing the guy, but he's still my president. I'm not going to be too childish about that.

I am lazy, I am just going to stick with Obama much like I stuck with just saying Bush. Equal opportunity lazy here.

[kingdom2000]

Sadly yes....of course I'll call her Vice President Moron since I know she's gonna screw up something. Least for 4-8 years we can have grand comedy of her ...and McCain fucking up more things.

Considering how effectly McCain has kept her from the press for the last two months and only used her as a hammer, I imagine if he wins the only time we will here from her is to answer Fox News softball questions that have been pre-prepped so her mind will not explode over gotcha questions like "how was your day?" or "what does the vice president do?" (which she got wrong for a fifth time last week).

[Crowley]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

why?

because your lies of "he's a muslim!" never worked?

You're a liar Sam and what's worse is that you have no sense of honor or patriotism.

[Kevinroc]

http://www.eandppub.com/2008/11/obama-takes-the.html

November 04, 2008
Obama Takes the Lead -- Carries Dixville Notch!

In the traditional midnight voting in the tiny N.H., Obama won a surprise landslide by 15 to 6 (Nader got no votes). The Obama supporters in the room let out a whoop. The GOP candidate usually wins easily -- I don't know if a Democrat has ever carried it -- and Bush beat Kerry 19-7 after trouncing Gore in 2000. Bush's dad topped Dukasis 34-3 and Reagan trounced Mondale 29-1. Voters in the town of 75 gather at midnight on election and the polls close one minute later. They've been doing this since 1960. The West Wing once paid a visit.

[Kevinroc]

Dailykos has the results from this tiny town from previous elections.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/4/01837/6051/16/651875

2008:

Obama 15
McCain 6

2004:

Bush 19
Kerry 7

2000:

Bush 21
Gore 5

1996:

Dole 18
Clinton 8

1992:

Bush 15
Perot 8
Clinton 2

1988:

Bush 34
Dukakis 3

[bfrank]

P.O.S.


Pot. Kettle. Black

[Royal]

If you can read this, you're not in bed, sleeping.

Seriously dude, the lines get loooonnnngg. Go early.

Euro folk. play with your lucky charms or something.

[John Hays]

Regardless of who wins tomorrow, this is the site EVERYONE needs to visit:

http://www.letterstothenextpresident.com/

[Larime]

I must say that I find it ironic to see people calling Sam a shitty American, a fucking liar and other such names.

Used to be, people jumped our shit when Rev and I said these things almost 2 years ago.

I think it's amusing. :)

[BnL]

I must say that I find it ironic to see people calling Sam a shitty American, a fucking liar and other such names.

Used to be, people jumped our shit when Rev and I said these things almost 2 years ago.

I think it's amusing. :)

This is an unmoderated thread.

[Larime]

This is an unmoderated thread.

And it was then, too.

[DrewEdwards]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

Um yeah. I voted for Obama. I think he's the right guy for the job.But if McCain wins, he's the President. That's the way it works.

Hell, if McCain does win I hope he does a kick ass job.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/30/nostradamus-writings-predict-mccain-victory/?icid=100214839x1212328367x1200810412


Wow...now I'm a bit worried...

[Royal]

So did John Titor.

Doesn't mean it's right

[Nick Soapdish]

I am lazy, I am just going to stick with Obama much like I stuck with just saying Bush. Equal opportunity lazy here.

Actually, I'll stick with calling him Obama, too. But I called our current president Dubya instead of Bush which is one degree more casual. I guess that might be more disrespectful, but I thought that he chose that nickname.

I'll probably be typing out his title at first just because it looks good. But don't count on that lasting much past January, if that long.

[a. non]

Prophecy's a guess that comes true. If it doesn't, it metaphor.

But, Feynman's Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics could possibly be used to quantify prophecy as a property of quantum physics, but you'd have to stretch it a bit.

[thehod]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President

Was that the degrees in History and Social Science talking, or was it the two year old child who has had enough of the game and wants to take his ball home with him?

You profess to be an educated man, yet you seldom act like one.

Grow up.

[RachelEvil]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Does this mean you're going to secede?

[Lester C.]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

Please tell me that P.O.S doesn't stand for piece of shit. I really like you outside of the political stuff and it would really upset me if you called him a piece of shit.

[Nick Soapdish]

Does this mean you're going to secede?

Probably move to Alaska. Then secede.

[mailedbypostman1]

Regardless of who wins tomorrow, this is the site EVERYONE needs to visit:

http://www.letterstothenextpresident.com/

Quoted for truth.

[TomStillwell]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...

Are you prepared to say "President McCain and Vice President Palin", if that should happen?

Unless you leave the United States, if he wins, he'll be your president whether you like it or not.

Sam, you are the role model of why the GOP is going down in flames.

You can't just make politics be about disagreeing with the beliefs of other people, respecting those people for their beliefs, but also holding true to your beliefs.

No, you make it all about hate, fear, division, intolerance, and ignorance. You make politics small minded, childish, and petty.

America only suffers in the hands of people like you.

[Lester C.]

On 2-3-2008, right before the first primary, I made this bold prediction about how the race for the White House was going to shape up. Nice to know that I can still call them.

Iowa is less than two days away. The most recent poll shows Obama taking it for the Democratic nomination. In my opinion that's bull!@#$. Blacks have a history of leading in the polls and losing big in the elections, because white people lie when it comes to black candidates. My prediction is Clinton is going to come in first, Edwards second and Obama third. While Clinton may win Iowa I think Edwards is going to get the final party nomination because he's good looking, well spoken, and a white southern Democrat always a bonus whether you are a Republican or Democrat.

The Republican nomination is going to be Micheal Huckabee. Of all the front runners he's the only one that can tap into Bush's legendary conservative base so I think that one going to be a no brainier.

When all the primaries are said and done I think it's going to be Edwards versus Huckabee in the national election. I'm not sure who's going to win the presidential election but I hope it's Edwards as I've grown to hate the Republican party, a party I was once proud to be a member of.

[Larime]

Please tell me that P.O.S doesn't stand for piece of shit. I really like you outside of the political stuff and it would really upset me if you called him a piece of shit.

Oh, he did.

Because to Sam, simply believing in things you disagree with makes you a piece of shit. Sure, he might say it's really because Obama's a Muslim, or friends with terrorists, or a Marxist, or some other bullshit less than a quarter of Americans really believe, but at its core, it's simply because Obama is The Enemy.

Wingnuts like Sam really believe that there are 'Real Americans' and 'Fake Americans'. They really believe that Country (or their view of it, which means Republican policies) trumps everything. Know who else believed that Country was everything and if you disagreed with the orthodoxy, you were a traitor? Communist Russia. Communist China, too. It's sad, really, the right spent so long making them the boogeymen that they've now come to imitate that which they hated: absolutists and groupthinkers. If you disagree, you're a traitor.

Look at the list. Powell's not a real Republican (read American), now. Less than 8 years ago, they wanted him to run for President.

So yeah. To Sam, Obama's a piece of shit. Me? When I hate somebody? It's for what they've done, not what I think they might do. But wignuts are ruled by fear, so that may be why.

[mailedbypostman1]

On 2-3-2008, right before the first primary, I made this bold prediction about how the race for the White House was going to shape up. Nice to know that I can still call them.

Wow, nobody saw Obama coming did they?

[Lester C.]

Wow, nobody saw Obama coming did they?

Most did actually. You just had idiots like me calling them liars because of the whole race thing. For once I'm proud to say that I was wrong as wrong could get.

[Spike-X]

Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President.

Stay classy, Sam.

[Larime]

Unless you leave the United States, if he wins, he'll be your president whether you like it or not.

Sam, you are the role model of why the GOP is going down in flames.

You can't just make politics be about disagreeing with the beliefs of other people, respecting those people for their beliefs, but also holding true to your beliefs.

No, you make it all about hate, fear, division, intolerance, and ignorance. You make politics small minded, childish, and petty.

America only suffers in the hands of people like you.

Thank you, Tom. Well said. We need our country to move past this hyper-polarization bullshit Sam clings to. Here's hoping an Obama landslide gives him the mandate to start.

[Royal]

Seriously...

Fuckin Go To Bed!!

We can party and shoot the shit tomorrow. Honest.

[Spike-X]

Seriously...

Fuckin Go To Bed!!


But...it's not even dark here yet!

[Royal]

That was ment for Americans.

Go play with a rabbitoh's foot or something.

[the4thpip]

Dixville Notch has spoken: It's Obama in a landslide


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DIXVILLE NOTCH, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emerged victorious in the first election returns of the 2008 presidential race, winning 15 of 21 votes cast in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire.

Though New Hampshire is a perennial swing state, Dixville Notch -- until now -- had consistently leaned Republican. The last Democrat it picked was Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968.

President Bush won the town in a landslide in the last two elections: He captured 73 percent of the vote in 2004 (19 residents picked Bush while six preferred Sen. John Kerry), and secured 80 percent of the vote in 2000 (21 votes for Bush, five votes for Al Gore.)



http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/dixville.notch/?iref=hpmostpop

[Lester C.]

Seriously...

Fuckin Go To Bed!!

We can party and shoot the shit tomorrow. Honest.

I would love to but I'm at work right now.

[Samurai]

Please tell me that P.O.S doesn't stand for piece of shit. I really like you outside of the political stuff and it would really upset me if you called him a piece of shit.
Why would it "upset you" to hear Obama called that? Many around here have called Bush faaaar worse things, without a care for how his supporters might feel.

You can think of it as "Purveyor of Socialism" or "Pal of Scumbags" if you'd prefer. But it comes down to him being not just vastly unqualified to be President, but given his long-time, close personal associations with terrorists, slum lord influence peddlers, socialists/communists, warlords, and radical leftists, he will ruin this country if elected, just as he has promised to do. He promised that he would bankrupt anyone who dared to build a coal powerplant in America. He promised to make energy prices "skyrocket" in the name of environmentalism. He will raise taxes, chase jobs out of the country, kowtow to dictators and terrorists to appease them and grovel before Europe and the world while apologizing for America's insolence and greed.

If he does manage to win this election, it will almost surely not be a fair win. He intimidated and cheated to win the primary against Hillary, and he has never once won a fair election in his life. $832,000 paid to ACORN's Project Vote and other groups to flood the elections with fake registrations is just the very tip of the iceberg of corruption and chicanery, I'm sure. And we already know about other tricks, like registering handicapped people to vote, and then casting their vote for them (for Obama, of course). THAT is how Obama hopes to win, dirty tricks. It's all he knows.

As for what to call him, Olbermann and others never call Bush "President Bush". It's just Bush, or Mr. Bush, or as was said before, Dubya. So I'd simply continue that tradition, and call him Obama, or Mr Obama, or Hussein.

I hope like hell the American people are smart enough to see Obama for who he is, and vote McCain. We'll see in a day or so if my trust in them is misplaced.

[king mob]

Dear Americans:

Please vote Obama today. We in the rest of the world will forgive you for the last 8 years if you do. Obama may be flawed but the prospect of a McCain/Palin Presidency is a disaster not only for the US, but for the planet. So please vote & vote Obama.

Plus wankers like Samurai will see that, hopefully, their time is over.

[Spike-X]

Wow. Only a day to go, and you're still throwing these pathetic lies and smears around in the desperate hope that somebody, anybody, will believe them.

At least you're persistent.

[Spike-X]

Dear Americans:

Please vote Obama today. We in the rest of the world will forgive you for the last 8 years if you do.

Yeah, c'mon America. Do the right thing.

[Samurai]

Dear Americans:

Please vote Obama today. We in the rest of the world will forgive you for the last 8 years if you do. Obama may be flawed but the prospect of a McCain/Palin Presidency is a disaster not only for the US, but for the planet. So please vote & vote Obama.

Plus wankers like Samurai will see that, hopefully, their time is over.

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.

And why does President McCain frighten you so?

[Spike-X]

it isn't your job...to choose our leader.


Maybe you mob should stop referring to your President as "The Leader Of The Free World" so often, then.

[Lester C.]

Dear Americans:

Please vote Obama today. We in the rest of the world will forgive you for the last 8 years if you do. Obama may be flawed but the prospect of a McCain/Palin Presidency is a disaster not only for the US, but for the planet. So please vote & vote Obama.

Plus wankers like Samurai will see that, hopefully, their time is over.

Even if McCain wins Samurai's time is over. As has been pointed out by many right wing pundits McCain isn't a conservative as has been defined in the past.

[Samurai]

Even if McCain wins Samurai's time is over. As has been pointed out by many right wing pundits McCain isn't a conservative as has been defined in the past.

That's half true... I'm not a strong social conservative nor a neo-con, so it's not "my time" anyway. However, you're right that McCain is a centrist, not a conservative at all, and several shades left of me of some issues (and right of me on others, like abortion). Overall very moderate/centrist though, more than I am.

[BnL]

Wow. Only a day to go, and you're still throwing these pathetic lies and smears around in the desperate hope that somebody, anybody, will believe them.

At least you're persistent.

Well, it worked on me, at least. That last post just really struck a chord within me. It's like a switch got flipped in my brain. I see the light now. I see the truth about Barack Hussein Obama. I see now that John McCain is our savior.

I shall cast my vote tomorrow morn for the Republican ticket, as tears of pride stream down my face.

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

[Spike-X]

Well, it worked on me, at least. That last post just really struck a chord within me. It's like a switch got flipped in my brain. I see the light now. I see the truth about Barack Hussein Obama. I see now that John McCain is our savior.

I shall cast my vote tomorrow morn for the Republican ticket, as tears of pride stream down my face.

U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
The saddest part is, he really seems to actually believe this horseshit.

Or at least, he desperately wants to.

[the4thpip]

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for,

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00382/abu_ghraib_DW_Polit_382641g.jpg

[Larime]

Wow, Sam even hit all the talking points I suggested he would. Nevermind G Gordon Liddy told people HOW to kill Federal Agents, or that McCain funneled MONEY to Khalidi. Obama's The Devil.

He's even such a fringe wingnut he thinks the election is being STOLEN - because when Obama's POLLING ahead by 6-10 points, apparently Mickey Mouse isn't just registering and voting, he has a phone number and answers pollsters, too.

Seriously. Logic. Get some.

[Samurai]

Wow, Sam even hit all the talking points I suggested he would. Nevermind G Gordon Liddy told people HOW to kill Federal Agents, or that McCain funneled MONEY to Khalidi. Obama's The Devil.

He's even such a fringe wingnut he thinks the election is being STOLEN - because when Obama's POLLING ahead by 6-10 points, apparently Mickey Mouse isn't just registering and voting, he has a phone number and answers pollsters, too.

Seriously. Logic. Get some.

Mickey doesn't need to answer the phone. The polling groups look at voter registration as 1 major guide on how to weight their polls. This year they have weighted it more heavily toward Democrats than ever before, thanks in part to ACORN.

If you don't understand how poll weighting works (as you seem not to), look it up.

[Samurai]

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00382/abu_ghraib_DW_Polit_382641g.jpg

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.

[BnL]

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.

And on a completely unrelated note, I have this thing I wanna sell. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Brooklyn_Bridge_New_York_City_1896.jpg) Any takers?

[thehod]

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.

Immaterial.

To the rest of the world, and especially to those who hate America, it was American soliders who did this. They were wearing American uniforms, therefore they were American soldiers, regardless of whether they were ordered to do it or not. Regardless of whether they were rogue or not. They were American soldiers.

The British Army is stained with many such actions, the Amritsar Massacre being just one. It matters not that Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer was universally condemned, the British Army was implicated by his actions, just as the American army was implicated by the actions of these soldiers.

You might not like that fact, but its how millions of people across the world see it, and judge America as a result.

[Ian Boothby]

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.


During your eight year coma much has happened. Go, check the computer machine and look up past news stories. Or go to www.google.com and look up "8 year clusterfuck".

[Ian Boothby]

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.

Bullshit. Those that wear your uniform represent your nation and ARE your country to the rest of the world. The bad apples cop out doesn't fly. You take responsibility for those you put in positions of responsibility.

[Spike-X]

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers acting under orders from Dick Cheney.

fixed it for ya!

[kingdom2000]

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.

And why does President McCain frighten you so?

I think a lot of this thread answers that questions. 4 more bush years, war with Iran, more deficit, more corporate first policies...well the list is rather long. I still like the irony that the reasons you found Kerry unacceptable in 2004 are the exact things you embrace about McCain (rich wife, married into money, flip flops, uses war record for votes, etc). Hypocrit always?

I would ask what about President Obama scares you but we already know that its a) he's black (he out to kill the whilte people!) b) his middle name (oh noes its Muslim sounding!!) c) he isn't republican (cause they are perfect and anyone that suggests otherwise is part of the liberal elite conspiracy!!!) and d) he isn't like your hero Bush (the perfect president if only everyone did exactly what he said at all times and without question like good little soldiers!!!!).

As since Bush has provided ncredibily clear reminder just what a negative impact a US leader can have on the world, yeah I feel that while the world can't vote in our election, they are more then free to give their opinion about it. But then I actually believe in freedom, not "freedom" that you and your party believe.in (ie only freedoms that republicans sanction).

But don't worry, while poll watchers are looking for the legion of Acorn dead to rise and fake vote (cause republicans love to feed a myth that has never proven to actually exist, much like being fiscally responsible), I have faith that republicans will disenfranchise thousands, lose many votes and experience "accidental" machine breakages that result in many votes not being counted to republican favor. Your party of the corrupt and hypocritical isn't down and out yet!

[Larime]

Mickey doesn't need to answer the phone. The polling groups look at voter registration as 1 major guide on how to weight their polls. This year they have weighted it more heavily toward Democrats than ever before, thanks in part to ACORN.

If you don't understand how poll weighting works (as you seem not to), look it up.

Okay, first there is this: Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Let's say ACORN and gang registered 1.3 Million fraudulent voters - that EVERY SINGLE ONE was fake. That would be less than 2% of voters who actually voted last election. So how does 2% give Obama 6-10% in the polls? Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE was fake and EVERY SINGLE ONE voted, it doesn't give him enough to tip the polls that big.

As always, you're full of shit.

[FalconX2000]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5grwUADvRzUMaEoHj9bHMtdylvOLAD947U2LO0

And Obama wins! Well, one very small town at least.

[Adam C]

Why would it "upset you" to hear Obama called that? Many around here have called Bush faaaar worse things, without a care for how his supporters might feel.

You can think of it as "Purveyor of Socialism" or "Pal of Scumbags" if you'd prefer. But it comes down to him being not just vastly unqualified to be President, but given his long-time, close personal associations with terrorists, slum lord influence peddlers, socialists/communists, warlords, and radical leftists, he will ruin this country if elected, just as he has promised to do. He promised that he would bankrupt anyone who dared to build a coal powerplant in America. He promised to make energy prices "skyrocket" in the name of environmentalism. He will raise taxes, chase jobs out of the country, kowtow to dictators and terrorists to appease them and grovel before Europe and the world while apologizing for America's insolence and greed.

Translation: BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! WEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!! AAAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHH--PPPPPPHHHHHHTTTTT!!!!

Did I get that about right?

That's half true... I'm not a strong social conservative nor a neo-con, so it's not "my time" anyway.

You do a lovely job writing apologia for either, no matter how bad their policies are.

Immaterial.

To the rest of the world, and especially to those who hate America, it was American soliders who did this.

Actually the major point here is that Abu-Gharib is just one example of torture committed by arms of the US government because of policies put in place by the Bush administration (and never mind shipping people off to foreign countries to be tortured) as Buzz Dixon, myself, and others have been at pains to point out.

Which brings me to this one point...

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.

Maher Arar? Shipped to Syria by the US government? Tortured for two years? Cleared by his own government, but the Bush administration insists on keeping him on the no-fly list on the basis on unspecified evidence so it never gets to own up to the fact that it sent an innocent many to Syria to be tortured? That's what it doesn't have to apologise for?

Oh and this. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/20/AR2008102003495.html)

[Dr Cthulwho]

You can think of it as "Purveyor of Socialism" or "Pal of Scumbags" if you'd prefer. But it comes down to him being not just vastly unqualified to be President, but given his long-time, close personal associations with terrorists, slum lord influence peddlers, socialists/communists, warlords, and radical leftists, he will ruin this country if elected, just as he has promised to do. He promised that he would bankrupt anyone who dared to build a coal powerplant in America. He promised to make energy prices "skyrocket" in the name of environmentalism. He will raise taxes, chase jobs out of the country, kowtow to dictators and terrorists to appease them and grovel before Europe and the world while apologizing for America's insolence and greed.

Shrill, yet entertaining. Out of interest, when the next election rolls around, and all of that nonsense never occurred because, well, it's nonsense, would you be willing to change your name to Chicken Little?

I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw Obama the other day twirling his evil moustache while drawing up plans for a machine that will make the sky fall down. Hmmm, being paranoid and bitter isn't that fun.

If he does manage to win this election, it will almost surely not be a fair win. He intimidated and cheated to win the primary against Hillary, and he has never once won a fair election in his life. $832,000 paid to ACORN's Project Vote and other groups to flood the elections with fake registrations is just the very tip of the iceberg of corruption and chicanery, I'm sure. And we already know about other tricks, like registering handicapped people to vote, and then casting their vote for them (for Obama, of course). THAT is how Obama hopes to win, dirty tricks. It's all he knows.

Totally. And when he steals the election I just know he's going to hide all the evidence at area 51 underneath the set they used to fake the moon landing. I'm sure.

Damn those Muslim/Socialist/Mole-man/Cobra/Illuminati election rigging plotters!

I hope like hell the American people are smart enough to see Obama for who he is, and vote McCain. We'll see in a day or so if my trust in them is misplaced.

I hope like hell the American people are smart enough to see Obama for who he is and vote for him. We'll see whether or not my faith in people is misplaced.

[KevinTBrown]

As for what to call him, Olbermann and others never call Bush "President Bush". It's just Bush, or Mr. Bush, or as was said before, Dubya. So I'd simply continue that tradition, and call him Obama, or Mr Obama, or Hussein.

I hope like hell the American people are smart enough to see Obama for who he is, and vote McCain. We'll see in a day or so if my trust in them is misplaced.

Actually, you should call Obama "Aitch" then if you want to be snarky about it....

And Americans are proving themselves to be quite smart so far. They're ignoring the hatred & smear tactics and actually paying attention to the facts. Well, at least 51% of them are.

And I know that scares the crap out of you and the other Pubs. The majority Americans using their brains for a change is something that will keep your party down.

Enjoy the ride.

[Buzz Dixon]

Wow, nobody saw Obama coming did they?I am proud to say I was on record nearly 2 years ago as saying Obama would win the Dem nomination if he could present himself as the first 21st century candidate.

He didn't do so in as many words, but he did present himself as an agent of change, so I claim braggin' rights!

[Buzz Dixon]

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.WE VIOLATED OUR PRINCIPLES AND OUR CONSTITUTION BY TORTURING PEOPLE TO DEATH!!!!!
So, yeah, we've got a lot to be forgiven for.

[KevinTBrown]

I am proud to say I was on record nearly 2 years ago as saying Obama would win the Dem nomination if he could present himself as the first 21st century candidate.

He didn't do so in as many words, but he did present himself as an agent of change, so I claim braggin' rights!

4 years ago at the DNC, after he made his speech, I mentioned to my wife then that some day he would be President. I certainly was not expecting it to be today, but I'm very glad it is.

[Joe Rice]

My school here in Brooklyn is a voting place. There's usually five or six folks, even on a presidential day.

Today? Lines that loop around. I'm so goddam proud of my neighborhood. I can't wait to wait in line in my old neighborhood (didn't get to change registered address). I'm giddy, folks.

[Buzz Dixon]

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.They were under orders from officers who had been told by the Department of Defense under DIRECT ORDERS from George W. Bush to torture people.

You have been REPEATEDLY presented with evidence showing this Administration has ADMITTED to issuing those orders.

[BnL]

Actually, you should call Obama "Aitch" then if you want to be snarky about it....

Well, people only started calling him "W" in the first place to differentiate him from his father, who shares the same name. Since I'm pretty sure there's never been another "President Barack Obama" that our current candidate can be confused with, just calling him "Obama" will be fine. Unless of course you'd like to sow fear and bigotry by reminding people that he's got a name like that there Iraqi guy who done did 9/11.

[EdContradictory]

Well, people only started calling him "W" in the first place to differentiate him from his father, who shares the same name. Since I'm pretty sure there's never been another "President Barack Obama" that our current candidate can be confused with, just calling him "Obama" will be fine. Unless of course you'd like to sow fear and bigotry by reminding people that he's got a name like that there Iraqi guy who done did 9/11.

Bush branded himself "W" during the campaigns.

[Nick Soapdish]

Bush branded himself "W" during the campaigns.

That's what I was thinking which is why I don't really have a problem calling him that. It's not being insulting like Shrub (which I have called him a few times, but got tired of it).

[Stressfactor]

Got up at 5:00 a.m. to get showered, dressed, and on my way to vote. Took me about an hour and a half. I didn't see ONE SINGLE PERSON leave the line. An older guy behind me was even standing and moving with a walker and HE stayed the course as well.

[Infra-Man]

About a 90-minute line for my district.

Just voted.

[KevinTBrown]

Got up at 5:00 a.m. to get showered, dressed, and on my way to vote. Took me about an hour and a half. I didn't see ONE SINGLE PERSON leave the line. An older guy behind me was even standing and moving with a walker and HE stayed the course as well.

Gonna be a LOT of that today.

VA is already experiencing higher than expected voter totals, even with a light rain shower predicted in some areas.

This is what happens when people get pissed off enough to actually do something about it. Makes me feel damn good to be an American today. The last Presidential election had me feeling embarassed to be one..... especially when I was getting sympathy from people from other countries. (My wife and I were on a cruise during the last election.) That is a feeling I never again want to experience.

[Calybos]

I was glad to see the long lines and radio projections of record-level turnout, too.

And by the way, what are you doing wasting time here on a comic-book forum instead of voting, everyone?

[Michael P]

Crossposted from my blog:

Good Morning, And Good Luck

So, I voted just now. I'm not going to say for whom, because that's rather beside the point.

There was a line, and I'm glad. More than glad, I'm proud. Proud of my neighbors for already showing up in enough numbers to be backed up almost to the door of the school, and proud of the local volunteers working to give each and every one of them the chance to practice their civic duty. (Whoever started the cliche that New Yorkers are cynical and uninvolved didn't know what the hell he was talking about.) And I'm proud of my fellow Americans all around the country who are lining up outside their polling places, as well as the thousands who have taken advantage of early voting to already register their choice. (That includes you, Mom.)

The news media, God bless their hyperbolic little hearts, have taken to calling this the most important election in years. You've gotta adore their pluck, but the secret they won't tell you is, every election is the most important one in history on the day it takes place. Every two years, we pick the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate. This time around, we're also picking a President and Vice President. Together, over the next two, four, and six years, these people will write the legislation that determines how our country will run, fill the upper echelons of each Cabinet department, and appoint dozens of ambassadors, commissioners, federal judges, and probably at least one or two new Supreme Court justices.

And today is the day we decide who those people will be.

Everyone knows those famous words a little past the beginning of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, etc." It's the heart of our democracy. But I've always had an affection for the words that come last, the way the men who sat in that hot and uncomfortable convention hall 232 years ago affirmed their commitment to the path they had just taken: "We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." That, to me, is the spine of our democracy, the promise of each man (and, today, each woman as well) to entrust our future to our fellow citizens, and to shepherd theirs in return. We take not just our own lives, but the lives of our fellow men in hand when we step into the voting booth. It is an awesome power, and an awesome responsibility, and an awesome privilege.

You might be skeptical at this view of the process, and your place in it. "I'm just one person pulling a lever or pushing a button. I can't possibly affect the fates of millions of people all by myself." Believe it, buster. You are not a closed system. The choices you make, no matter how mundane, impact the events of others' lives, and you make thousands of choices every day. Believe me, it adds up. You affect the lives of everyone around you just by drawing breath, and they affect the lives of everyone around them in turn. The entire planet is an infinitely complex social cat's cradle created by over six billion human beings going about the business of their lives. Pluck one string, and sooner or later, the whole thing feels the vibrations. If the scope of this macrocosm is beyond you, think of it in terms of baseball: Each play is shaped by the actions of each player. The pitcher gets things started, but the batter, the catcher, the infielders, the outfielders, and the umpires all have a role to play, and something as simple as the direction one is looking when the ball is hit can determine the outcome of the entire game. We usually can't tell exactly how until after the fact, but that doesn't make it any less true. I'll say it again, because it's important: You are not a closed system.

If you still don't believe me, ask someone who doesn't live here, or anywhere else in the world that allows this simple act of involvement in one's own life. Ask those who are fighting now for their right, or the rights of others, to be a part of the process. Ask those who have fought for it, who marched for it, who went to prison for it. If you're of a mystical bent, hold a seance and ask those who died for it, how important voting is. They'll tell you what I've just told you, what all our teachers and parents and philosophers and founding fathers have told us, the truth that keeps America alive:

Decisions Are Made By Those Who Show Up.

So get your ass out there and show up.

[Typo Lad]

Very nice Michael.

Would you mind if I shared that?

[Michael P]

Very nice Michael.

Would you mind if I shared that?

By all means. Hell, staple it to your kid's forehead.

[Charles RB]

And by the way, what are you doing wasting time here on a comic-book forum instead of voting, everyone?

Cos I'm British. :tongue:

[KevinTBrown]

I was glad to see the long lines and radio projections of record-level turnout, too.

And by the way, what are you doing wasting time here on a comic-book forum instead of voting, everyone?

For me, it's called being stuck at work..... *sigh*

BUT I get out early, so I'll be voting by about 4:00pm Central Time.

[Alexx1]

Gonna be a LOT of that today.

VA is already experiencing higher than expected voter totals, even with a light rain shower predicted in some areas.

This is what happens when people get pissed off enough to actually do something about it. Makes me feel damn good to be an American today. The last Presidential election had me feeling embarassed to be one..... especially when I was getting sympathy from people from other countries. (My wife and I were on a cruise during the last election.) That is a feeling I never again want to experience.

Hey, Kevin. Are you going to the event (hopeful celebration tonight) in Chicago? News is talking about half a million to maybe a million people. Wow.

[the4thpip]

One last look at the blue and red lines here show the undecideds finally picking the chicken:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[Corrina]

Our voting was at the local high school. There were a number of handicapped people pulling into the spots, eager to go in and vote.

I ran into a former teacher of my son's, my local eye doctor, and a man from our church while I was there.

Yes, I live in the kind of small town that Palin calls 'real America' except I don't count because I'm in a blue state.

There was a referendum question about having a constitutional convention which I voted 'no,' because it's a back-door way to get around the recent state Supreme Court decision that declared gay marriage a state constitutional right.

I'll be interested in two other questions:
Prop 8 in California--:crossing fingers that bigots don't win:

and in Massachusetts, they're voted on whether to eliminated the state income tax. Which I think is a stupid idea because it's 40 percent of the state budget and cuts will come down hard and drive up local property taxes but we'll see.

[KevinTBrown]

Hey, Kevin. Are you going to the event (hopeful celebration tonight) in Chicago? News is talking about half a million to maybe a million people. Wow.

Hell no. I'm not that crazy.

And that prediction is dead wrong. The venue can only hold 78,000 and it's ticket only to get in. Any stragglers will be sent on their merry way....

[TomStillwell]

Hell no. I'm not that crazy.

And that prediction is dead wrong. The venue can only hold 78,000 and it's ticket only to get in. Any stragglers will be sent on their merry way....

Not true, Kevin. The ticketed event is being held at one end of the park. Everyone else can gather at the opposite end where there will be a jumbo-tron. Grant Park is going to be a madhouse.

I'm not going but my mother-in-law has special backstage tickets

[Alexx1]

Hell no. I'm not that crazy.

And that prediction is dead wrong. The venue can only hold 78,000 and it's ticket only to get in. Any stragglers will be sent on their merry way....


It will be interesting to see what the final count number actually will be. I know the mayor has predicated up to 1million. CNN said half million and up!!! I'm sure folks will be turned away. Hopefully it won't get out of hand.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/03/chicago-prepares-massive-obama-victory-celebration/

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has estimated 1 million people will show up for Obama Tuesday night......The mayor's not going to tell anybody not to come to this celebration," Daley said, according to the Chicago Tribune. "It's a historic event. If they want to be there, they should."

[Alexx1]

Hell no. I'm not that crazy.

And that prediction is dead wrong. The venue can only hold 78,000 and it's ticket only to get in. Any stragglers will be sent on their merry way....


It will be interesting to see what the final count number actually will be. I know the mayor has predicated up to 1million. CNN said half million and up!!! I'm sure folks will be turned away. Hopefully it won't get out of hand.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/03/chicago-prepares-massive-obama-victory-celebration/

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has estimated 1 million people will show up for Obama Tuesday night......The mayor's not going to tell anybody not to come to this celebration," Daley said, according to the Chicago Tribune. "It's a historic event. If they want to be there, they should."

[Crowley]

David Brooks writes an Obituary for the neocons and the baby boomer leadership:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/opinion/04brooks.html?oref=login

[KevinTBrown]

Not true, Kevin. The ticketed event is being held at one end of the park. Everyone else can gather at the opposite end where there will be a jumbo-from. Grant Park is going to be a madhouse.

I'm not going but my mother-in-law has special backstage tickets

Crap. Didn't realize that........ :eek:

I'm glad I'll be far away from downtown by 3:15 today then!

[4thHorseman]

Voted on Saturday thankfully. Mom went this morning, took her about 20 minutes (one of the good things about living in a somewhat small town). I was in line for about an hour on Saturday. Oh well, got my vote in and thats what matters.

I wonder what it must feel like to be McCain and Obama right now. Must be hard to keep calm on this day.

[Stressfactor]

I wonder what it must feel like to be McCain and Obama right now. Must be hard to keep calm on this day.
I imagine Obama's having a particularly tough time with grieving for his grandmother on top of all the rest.

[TomStillwell]

Hell no. I'm not that crazy.

And that prediction is dead wrong. The venue can only hold 78,000 and it's ticket only to get in. Any stragglers will be sent on their merry way....

Not true, Kevin. The ticketed event is being held at one end of the park. Everyone else can gather at the opposite end where there will be a jumbo-from. Grant Park is going to be a madhouse.

I'm not going but my mother-in-law has special backstage tickets

[Alexx1]

I wonder what it must feel like to be McCain and Obama right now. Must be hard to keep calm on this day.

I imagine Obama's having a particularly tough time with grieving for his grandmother on top of all the rest.

I'm sure she's not far from his thoughts.

CNN's Susan Malvo said after his stop over in Indiana he'd partake in a game of hoops and montor the returns! He's worked hard and done all he can do. The rest is up to the American people to get out and vote.

McCain's the one having to campaign hard today when typically canidates don't do too much hard campaigning on election day.

[LtMarvel]

There is one ammo/gun company that sales decreased (http://current.com/items/89474778_gun_company_ceo_supports_obama). Or at least the threat of sales losses forced the ouster of the company's founder, an Obama supporter.

[king mob]

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for

As pointed out, it certainly has thanks to the lunatics that have ruled your country the last 8 years.

and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so

Britain has it's own blood on it's hands & that's a thread by itself, but we'd really like to welcome the US back into the world community & not be scared shitless of seeing what they'll do next to fuck up the world.

You see, if you push the US as an example of how to do things right, then you've got to actually set an good example. You've not done that in the last 8 years as a country.


nor to choose our leader.

I never presumed to do so, most people are smart enough to vote for themselves.

And why does President McCain frighten you so?

It doesn't frighten me, it scares the shite out of me. I don't want a continuation of the last 8 years with the possibility of President Palin only a heartbeat away. Basically the world needs to see Obama in charge as that would at least see someone who has some idea of how the world works rather than a halfwit who thinks Spain is an enemy of the US, or a moron who thinks that being near Russia gives her insight on foreign policy.

I have to say that seeing pictures on the evening news of Americans queuing up to vote from the early hours is stunningly impressive. I only wish we had the same happen over here.

[KevinTBrown]

This is too funny:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1112/peeonmccaintu0.jpg


:biggrin:

[the4thpip]

This is too funny. After constantly showing the race tighter than any other poll, the final IBD/TIPP poll has Obama up 8. If you look at the table of results over the past few days, it seems pretty obvious that they were trying to cheer up some support for McCain, and now they're adjusting their poll for a pesky little factor called "reality" so they won't look completely off after tonight.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series13.aspx?src=POLLTOPN

[KevinTBrown]

Timeline for election results tonight. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/watching_the_returns)

[TCJohnson]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...



Fine, then if he wins that leave the country. We won't miss you.

[Tetsuo_man]

Me and my mom voted earlier today. Both of us for Obama. My mom voted for a democrate for the presidency for the first time today and voted for the first time in sixteen years. I'm proud for my mom.

[the4thpip]

German traders are expecting a decisive win for Obama and drove up the DAX a nice 5% today. EuroStoxx is even up 5.56%

[Berserk]

Just got back from voting, and I didn't have to wait in line, thankfully. Of course, I voted for Obama, but he's going to win my state anyways.

[king mob]

German traders are expecting a decisive win for Obama and drove up the DAX a nice 5% today. EuroStoxx is even up 5.56%

I caught something this afternoon on the BBC to the same effect in regards to the FTSE.

[Alix Harrower]

Fine, then if he wins that leave the country. We won't miss you.

Would it be fair to inflict him on some innocent country, though? Imagine how he'd whine and cry if he landed someplace with universal health care.

[TCJohnson]

Just got back from voting, and I didn't have to wait in line, thankfully. Of course, I voted for Obama, but he's going to win my state anyways.

I am just really frickin' happy to FINALLY have my vote count!!

[4thHorseman]

Just got back from voting, and I didn't have to wait in line, thankfully. Of course, I voted for Obama, but he's going to win my state anyways.

Lucky. I wish Kansas was the same way. Unfortunately it seems to be mostly Republican.

[Buzz Dixon]

Dude's too cool not to be prez...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WXPQmKvH58k/SRBofeF7JDI/AAAAAAAAMWs/nO3S_EjDw6E/s1600/obama.jpg

(...and if the image doesn't come through... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WXPQmKvH58k/SRBofeF7JDI/AAAAAAAAMWs/nO3S_EjDw6E/s1600/obama.jpg )

[Tommy]

Lucky. I wish Kansas was the same way. Unfortunately it seems to be mostly Republican.

Well the democratic party's goal is to make every state a swing state. Looking at the map they've done a damn good job midterm and this one. Hopefully Kansas will be next.

[Paul McEnery]

"P.O.S.".....

That says more about your character than anything else you've ever said. I won't call you a shitty American, though I agree with Corrina. I won't call you a a racist, though I also agree with that as well.

No, what I will call you is this: A FUCKING PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING AND A WASTE OF SPACE ON THIS PLANET. You, sir, deserve every ounce of hatred you've illicited on this site.

I am going to gleefully "watch" you squirm when Obama wins, when he's sworn in, and when he's making changes for the betterment of America and not his cronies.

Pedant corner: that's "elicited". Though I understand how you'd get to that typo.

Even so, I reckon "solicited" is more like it.

[KevinTBrown]

Pedant corner: that's "elicited". Though I understand how you'd get to that typo.

Even so, I reckon "solicited" is more like it.

Damn.

But the "ill" part does seem more appropriate.

[Berserk]

Lucky. I wish Kansas was the same way. Unfortunately it seems to be mostly Republican.



Well, get to work turning Kansas blue. You have a Democratic governor, so within 4 years you should be able to make some big progress. If Virginia, which hasn't voted Democrat since 1964 is leaning Obama, that means any state can turn Democrat. You just have to have an economic crisis or some other major calamity to make people realize that voting Republican is a stupid idea.

[Berserk]

I am just really frickin' happy to FINALLY have my vote count!!


Same here. My state still does voting by paper ballots. I feel sorry for people who have to wonder whether or not their votes on electronic voting machines will really count. You can't trust a system that has no paper trail.

[4thHorseman]

Well, get to work turning Kansas blue. You have a Democratic governor, so within 4 years you should be able to make some big progress. If Virginia, which hasn't voted Democrat since 1964 is leaning Obama, that means any state can turn Democrat. You just have to have an economic crisis or some other major calamity to make people realize that voting Republican is a stupid idea.

Yeah, I think we're slowly turning. I haven't heard one person claim they prefer McCain over Obama (though almost everyone I've heard wishes Hillary was in place of Obama). Though, I'm not sure what it's like out west.

[Berserk]

Yeah, I think we're slowly turning. I haven't heard one person claim they prefer McCain over Obama (though almost everyone I've heard wishes Hillary was in place of Obama). Though, I'm not sure what it's like out west.


Here in California it's Obama country. I haven't seen many vocal supporters of McCain, although I have seen a few McCain/Palin signs.

[beetlebum]

Here in California it's Obama country. I haven't seen many vocal supporters of McCain, although I have seen a few McCain/Palin signs.

Actually, keep in mind that there are actually lots of Republicans in California.

Nearby Placer County, along with The OC, and San Diego, are known as Republican strongholds. In fact - outside of the big cities like San Francisco, Sacramento, Oakland, and LA - most of the rest of the state votes Republican.

I actually saw a McCain/Palin sign when I was driving home from voting.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Dear Americans:

Please vote Obama today. We in the rest of the world will forgive you for the last 8 years if you do. Obama may be flawed but the prospect of a McCain/Palin Presidency is a disaster not only for the US, but for the planet. So please vote & vote Obama.

Plus wankers like Samurai will see that, hopefully, their time is over.

Were gonna try and do what we can. A lot of us wanna restore our standing in the world. And not be known for invading a country for fucked up reasons and torturing people to death.

Wow. Only a day to go, and you're still throwing these pathetic lies and smears around in the desperate hope that somebody, anybody, will believe them.

At least you're persistent.

Hey if your going down...go down FIGHTING !:tongue: :

Yeah, c'mon America. Do the right thing.

God I hope a majority of Americans do. I pray they do...my whole family voted Obama. But WV is a mostly Republican state. Even though Obama started hitting the state hard.

America has nothing to be "forgiven" for, and even if we did, it isn't your job to do so, nor to choose our leader.

And why does President McCain frighten you so?

Its more of that FUCK YOU attitude that has us where were at isn't it ? Scorned by most of the world. Seen as a country ran by a fool who allows torture.

President McCain has basically seemed to want a War with Iran. He sang songs about it , Palin mistakingly claimed we were at war there a week ago. Its clear under John McCain with his temper problems and basic FUCK YOU attitude...the country will be involved in another massive war.

Maybe you mob should stop referring to your President as "The Leader Of The Free World" so often, then.

Were AMERICANS...we have the right to claim our leader has a bigger d-ck than anyone else !

Mickey doesn't need to answer the phone. The polling groups look at voter registration as 1 major guide on how to weight their polls. This year they have weighted it more heavily toward Democrats than ever before, thanks in part to ACORN.

If you don't understand how poll weighting works (as you seem not to), look it up.

Its all a conspiracy to sink John McCain. Its can't be that Obama has 4,000 paid employees across the nation who are kicking massive ass. One reporter claims that in 1 day ...she was at one of Obama's state campaign HQ's and in one day (Friday) hundreds of street volenteers had kocked & been to 1 million homes. That was in a day in one state !

She claimed that she Obama's campaign has showed new inovations in organization and moving. And if he wins tonight...many will likely copy what Barack Obama's campaign people did.

That's not "America", that's a few rogue soldiers who were charged with crimes.

They represented AMERICA. They wore out flags , carried our guns. They tortured and hurt people. How many were innocent ? John McCain supports torture by the way. What an asshole.

[CutterMike]

(...)
Were AMERICANS...we have the right to claim our leader has a bigger d-ck than anyone else !
(...)But at least with the next one, hopefully, he'll only be acting like he he HAS a bigger one, rather than like he IS a bigger one.

[Paul McEnery]

Damn.

But the "ill" part does seem more appropriate.

He be illin, fo sho.

[Buzz Dixon]

First polls just closed, Fox News is already saying "it's a good night for Barack Obama."

And the young voters seem to be showing up.

[Typo Lad]

Oh for goodness sake.

One of my friend's facebook status is "vote for John McCain, was obama born in america?"

Really? Have we run out of smears so we're going back toold ones?

[Sally Sensational]

Oh for goodness sake.

One of my friend's facebook status is "vote for John McCain, was obama born in america?"

Really? Have we run out of smears so we're going back toold ones?

Especially being as McCain was born in Panama . . .

(and yes, I know he was born on a military installation)

but it's still NOT America!

(two can play this game, after all)

[Lester C.]

My brother is 27 and for the first time in his life he voted. I think you are seeing a lot of that across the nation which bodes well for Obama.

[Tobias March]

Oh for goodness sake.

One of my friend's facebook status is "vote for John McCain, was obama born in america?"

Really? Have we run out of smears so we're going back toold ones?

Yeah I commentated on an acquaintance's, let's say, facebook page last night when he posted a pro-Obama message.

Because I remember 4 years ago meeting him on Grafton street once the news broke that Bush had been re-elected. He ran up to me and shouted "Yes! Yes! Yes!"

Knob end. The sea-change is interesting though (exactly what was it that happened in the past 4 years that Bush did that was somehow the straw that broke the donkey's back after the previous term?)

[Typo Lad]

Y'know, it is possible he's changed his mind in the last 8 years.

[Royal]

Wtf Kentucky!!!!!

[Tobias March]

Y'know, it is possible he's changed his mind in the last 8 years.

Sure but this is a guy who lauds Hitler for solving traffic problems....so that would be something of a Copernican Revolution in terms of opinion.

[Charles RB]

Nope. Whether he wins or loses, that P.O.S. will never be my President...


Not very patriotic of you! :biggrin:

[Major Comma]

Both CBS and Fox have called Pennsylvania for Obama .

[Samurai]

Not very patriotic of you! :biggrin:

If not supporting Obama is unpatriotic, then not supporting President Bush is equally unpatriotic...

[darkhanamaru]

Both CBS and Fox have called Pennsylvania for Obama .

come on Florida!

[Tobias March]

If not supporting Obama is unpatriotic, then not supporting President Bush is equally unpatriotic...

I think Charles was teasing you Sam, but I take your point.

Anyone who refused to support Bush as President because he was Republican alone was not terribly patriotic.

Anyone who refused to support Bush as President because he was a lying, manipulating, moronic dupe of the business classes who signed whatever deregulatory orders were placed in front of him, resulting in our global economy collapsing due to the systematic abuse of ordinary investors - and hey I haven't even got to that fiasco in Iraq yet - was a patriot and hopefully god willing their time is coming.

[KenK]

I think Charles was teasing you Sam, but I take your point.

Anyone who refused to support Bush as President because he was Republican alone was not terribly patriotic.

Anyone who refused to support Bush as President because he was a lying, manipulating, moronic dupe of the business classes who signed whatever deregulatory orders were placed in front of him, resulting in our global economy collapsing due to the systematic abuse of ordinary investors - and hey I haven't even got to that fiasco in Iraq yet - was a patriot and hopefully god willing their time is coming.

Basically. Bush's tenure as president has put this country in the shitter. We were already in deep shit before the 2004 election, and we STILL re-elected him!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wtf Kentucky!!!!!

Its Kentucky....coalmines and redneck country. You expected anything else ?

Both CBS and Fox have called Pennsylvania for Obama .

Ohh yeah thats the state McCain needed too. He needed to win Pennsylvania and run the table of all the toss ups and turn a blue state to win.

[rick]

If not supporting Obama is unpatriotic, then not supporting President Bush is equally unpatriotic...



Bush gave up any "right" to our patriotic support the moment his administration embraced torture.

It is just not patriotic to support a war criminal.

[the4thpip]

Are you kidding? The latest polling shows Obama up in MI by 1 point. One. After Kwame, and without strong support amongst the labor rank-and-file, Obama will lose MI.

Wisconsin? That might be Obama. But I am sure as anything that Michigan will be McCain this year.



I think Wisconsin and Pennsylvania will flip McCain, but those are just bonuses to this end. McCain flips Michigan while holding Ohio and Florida -- with the rest of the Bush/Kerry Map -- and it's over. Iowa be damned.
Looks like you were all wrong, girlfriend! :biggrin:

[Charles RB]

Looks like you were all wrong, girlfriend! :biggrin:

High five, dude! :cool:

[beetlebum]

Both Michigan and New York have just been called for Obama.

Yay.

[AllisterH]

Basically. Bush's tenure as president has put this country in the shitter. We were already in deep shit before the 2004 election, and we STILL re-elected him!

Heh

What does THAT say about the American people though?

re: Popular Vote

Looking at politico.com, is it my imagination or is there a fair to decent chance that McCain will easily eclipse Bush's total vote total and have a popular vote total NOT that far off from OBama?

[Paul McEnery]

Both Michigan and New York have just been called for Obama.

Yay.

Michigan? No, surely not. We have it on good authority that they're all fans of popping lipstick up there.

[Charles RB]

I am sure as anything that Michigan will be McCain this year.
.

Both Michigan and New York have just been called for Obama.

DOOO HO HO HO!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/charlesrb/Statler_Waldorf.jpg

[Sabrinaset]

http://www.cagle.com/working/081026/summers.jpg

[KevinTBrown]

MSNBC has just projected that Obama has won OHIO!!!!!!

:biggrin:


Start practicing saying "President Obama", Samurai, Briareos, and Novaya!

[KevinTBrown]

I just thought I'd see how I'm doing so far at nearly 9pm Central time.

Bolded states are what Obama has won or projected as winning:

My prediction of what states Obama wins:

California (55)
Colorado (9)
Connecticut (7)
Delaware (3)
Florida (27)
Hawaii (4)
Illinois (21)
Iowa (7)
Maine (4)
Maryland (10)
Massachusetts (12)
Michigan (17)
Minnesota (10)
Montana (3)
Nevada (5)
New Hampshire (4)
New Jersey (15)
New Mexico (5)
New York (31)
Ohio (20)
Oregon (7)
Pennsylvania (21)
Rhode Island (4)
Vermont (3)
Virginia (13)
Washington (11)
Washington DC (3)
Wisconsin (10)

An electoral total of 341.

What say the rest of you...?

So far Obama has 200 electoral votes...

[EdContradictory]

President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

Congrats to everyone who worked so hard to make this happen.

[rick]

Any sign of Novaya so far tonight?

I'm sure he just can't wait to tell us about the McCain victory party. :smile:

[suttercain]

Yesterday and today I was listening to the conservative radio stations and according to Rush Limbaugh we'll now be like the USSR and according to Sean Hannity say goodbye to America having the number one medical care (even though it's France).

[BnL]

I'll be very disappointed if Novaya doesn't get to admire my new avatar. :frown:

[Sabrinaset]

Any sign of Novaya so far tonight?

I'm sure he just can't wait to tell us about the McCain victory party. :smile:

I suspect the next time we see Novaya will be in about four years ...

[KevinTBrown]

I suspect the next time we see Novaya will be in about four years ...

And Samurai and Briareos, too, please?

[beetlebum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/i/i...08/7709805.stm

:cool:

It feel so damn good to be right.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I used to like Michigan.
Now, I´m ready to carry its sons. ^_^

[beetlebum]

South Dakota has just been called for McCain.

[KevinTBrown]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/i/int/news/top/1/-/news/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7709805.stm

:cool:

It feel so damn good to be right.

Oh yessssss..... :biggrin:

[Charles RB]

Any sign of Novaya so far tonight?

I'm sure he just can't wait to tell us about the McCain victory party. :smile:

Yesterday and today I was listening to the conservative radio stations and according to Rush Limbaugh we'll now be like the USSR and according to Sean Hannity say goodbye to America having the number one medical care (even though it's France).

Stuff like this makes it all worthwhile. :biggrin:

[beetlebum]

CBS AND FOX HAVE CALLED VIRGINIA FOR OBAMA!!!111

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/party30.gif

[Lester C.]

I want to thank Sarah Palin and George Bush for uniting America once again.:biggrin:

[beetlebum]

So far, Obama has 220 electoral votes. Not that much more to go.

Halle- halle -lujah.

Seriously, I could cry tears of joy right now.

[Royal]

Knock it off.

You still got some counting done.

[The Mutt]

Man, it's not just that Obama is winning, it's that the country is turning Republicans out in droves.

[KevinTBrown]

So far, Obama has 220 electoral votes. Not that much more to go.

Halle- halle -lujah.

Seriously, I could cry tears of joy right now.

In about 30 minutes California will be called for him. That's 55 electoral votes.

[Evan Waters]

Man, it's not just that Obama is winning, it's that the country is turning Republicans out in droves.

2006 didn't finish the job, but now I think the GOP will have to look at actual internal change.

Seriously, when even some senior conservatives were distancing themselves from the McCain campaign and the GOP's anti-intellectual tone, it should have been a sign. Someday the Democrats will lose power again, but I'd rather it be to the party of George Will than of Karl Rove.

[Kevinroc]

In about 30 minutes California will be called for him. That's 55 electoral votes.

Once my home state is called for Obama, it's definitely over. I feel very proud that I was able to do my part.

[Lester C.]

Am I the only one that's going to, for the first time ever, listen to conservative talk radio with a smirk on my face.

[DrewEdwards]

Looks like Nevada is going to be blue for the first time in a decade. :)

[Major Comma]

The state of California Puts Obama over ther TOP!

[EdContradictory]

I can hear cheering throughout the city... from six floors up...

[Lester C.]

Well Samurai and Barrioes are going to have a very bad New Comic Book Wednesday that's for damn sure.

[the4thpip]

http://abcnews.go.com/

Obama has 284.

:biggrin:

I am going to bed.

[beetlebum]

..................

[Dr Cthulwho]

Am I the only one that's going to, for the first time ever, listen to conservative talk radio with a smirk on my face.

No, I rather think you're not.:biggrin: :biggrin:

And joyous times are these. Congratulation President Obama.

[C-Cool]

And so it beings...

Obama, welcome.

You are now our POTUS!

[beetlebum]

McCain is now giving his concession speech.

http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/yipee.gif

[John Hays]

Well written speech!

Ustream stopped carrying it, though! Hope it comes back online for Obama's victory speech!

[The Mutt]

I can hear cheering throughout the city... from six floors up...

People are literally dancing in the street outside my apartment.

[rick]

Am I the only one that's going to, for the first time ever, listen to conservative talk radio with a smirk on my face.


I for one will be happily listening to both Hannity and Rush tomorrow.

[Royal]

Well written speech!

Ustream stopped carrying it, though! Hope it comes back online for Obama's victory speech!

BBC News is streaming.

[Venom Melendez]

Mark this day in your calendars ladies and gentlemen. Today is indeed a landmark day in american history. I'm glad it happened in my lifetime.

[Michael P]

People are literally dancing in the street outside my apartment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc

[EdContradictory]

Did McCain just get played off stage to the theme from Batman begins?:confused:

[Alex Scott]

I, for one, would like to thank Samurai, Bri, Rush, Hannity, and the rest of the right-wing media, and all those whose lies, smears, rumors, warmongering, bigotry both blatant and subtle, and casual disregard for human rights, had so little effect in convincing America to vote Republican.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I, for one, would like to thank Samurai, Bri, Rush, Hannity, and the rest of the right-wing media, and all those whose lies, smears, rumors, warmongering, bigotry both blatant and subtle, and casual disregard for human rights, had so little effect in convincing America to vote Republican.

Thanks Nowaya....hey ....the deep south went Obama ! Fuck yeahh....so did Michigan.

[Evan Waters]

Did McCain just get played off stage to the theme from Batman begins?:confused:

It was CRIMSON TIDE.

I don't know why either.

[Lester C.]

How are the Senate races going? Last I heard Dems had 56 seats.

[OzBat!]

It was CRIMSON TIDE.

I don't know why either.Duh, because he was hoping for a CRIMSON TIDE to wash over all those states!

... unfortunately for McCain, the tide was going OUT.

[LtMarvel]

Wanna watch the child of slaves cast her vote (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-baines5-2008nov05,0,1853339.story)? I know you do...

[Michael P]

Wanna watch the child of slaves cast her vote (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-baines5-2008nov05,0,1853339.story)? I know you do...

Boy, is she gonna be happy when she wakes up in the morning.

[Buzz Dixon]

Boy, is she gonna be happy when she wakes up in the morning.At her age, she's just happy to wake up!:wink: :tongue: :biggrin:

[Spike-X]

Duh, because he was hoping for a CRIMSON TIDE to wash over all those states!

... unfortunately for McCain, the tide was going OUT.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/LovelyLonelyLeilani/CSI/Do%20Not%20Move/HoratioCaine7-1.jpg

[Tobias March]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/LovelyLonelyLeilani/CSI/Do%20Not%20Move/HoratioCaine7-1.jpg

Be-yoo-tiful

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Son of a....

Why did Horatio have to show up in this thread?

DAMN IT!!!!!

:mad:

[CutterMike]

So, it begins.

"The torch has been passed to a new generation..." -- President John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address

I just wanted to post this before toddling off to bed.

Back on January 2nd of this year, I said:(...)
Obama looks decent and smart, but the only way that we'll get our first black president within anything less than the next 20 - 30 years is for him (or her) to be VP when the sitting president is assassinated. As much as it pains me to admit it, this country is still too white to elect one.
(...)
I just wanted to say for the record that I have never in my life been so happy to have been so wrong.

... And to add, as President-elect Obama alluded to, tonight:

"(T)his is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." -- Winston Churchill

...And, if this curmudgeonly, old agnostic may be allowed one more quote:

"God bless us, every one!" -- "Tiny" Tim Cratchit

[Royal]

Oregon House District 52
Matt Lindland Rep. 5,863 41%
Suzanne VanOrman Dem. 8,245 58%
Write-in 34 0%

Damn. VanOrman's ad worked. :(

Ah well. Here to the next two fisted politician!!

[Calvin Government]

I just wanted to say for the record that I have never in my life been so happy to have been so wrong.

... And to add, as President-elect Obama alluded to, tonight:

"(T)his is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." -- Winston Churchill

...And, if this curmudgeonly, old agnostic may be allowed one more quote:

"God bless us, every one!" -- "Tiny" Tim Cratchit

Sometimes, as a nation, we do manage to move forward...

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_finally_shitty_enough_to

[Lester C.]

In Bush the Democrats have a Boogieman. In McCain the Republicans now have a scapegoat. I wonder how this will shape the future.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I feel like the freaking Enlightenment--every ideal this country was built on--won a victory tonight, and ignorance, fear and bigotry lost. I've never been prouder of a vote I've cast in my lifetime, albeit in a state favoring the Republicans (but by a lower percentage in the Presidential race in decades).

A qualification: I'm deeply sad for my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters for Prop 8, and a similar measure in Florida. What kind of complete, Nazi asshole tells you who you can and can't love--or pick and choose who deserves less fucking rights than others?

Apparently, most of us heteros by a narrow margin...:frown:

[Tages]

If not supporting Obama is unpatriotic, then not supporting President Bush is equally unpatriotic...

I tend not to support invincibly ignorant dullards whose decisions get hundreds of thousands of people killed and ruin economies.

When Obama decides to wipe his ass with the same Constitution he swore an oath to uphold, then you can talk, but not before.

[Nick Soapdish]

I tend not to support invincibly ignorant dullards whose decisions get hundreds of thousands of people killed and ruin economies.

When Obama decides to wipe his ass with the same Constitution he swore an oath to uphold, then you can talk, but not before.

Me, I place distinctions between outright supporting the president, supporting the president's policies and disavowing them as my president.

Anyway, I'm already automatically unpatriotic by my party registration or so I've been told for the last six years.

[king mob]

Well done you lot, now we can finally look at an American President without laughing & being scared at the same time.

[EMeadow]

I think the one thing that echoed with me tonight through the whole election was when NBC ran a trailer for Ron Howard's new film "Frost/Nixon".

Hearing Nixon actually say when asked about whether or not he did anything that most would consider illegal:

"When the President of the United States does it, its never illegal."

That summed up 8 years of Bush/Cheny right there. And I was even happier for Obama's win.

Now to see if he'll comment on all the states banning gay marriage.

[the4thpip]

It was CRIMSON TIDE.

I don't know why either.

That "time of the month" for Sarah P.

[the4thpip]

So, how many votes did Cully Hamner get?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/bwhiz/DSCF0016.jpg

[the4thpip]

Some bad news, too:

Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.) should have cruised to re-election, and at one point she was on her way to doing so. Then she went on MSNBC's "Hardball," where she said that Barack Obama "may have anti-American views" and called on the media to investigate her fellow members of Congress, and gave her Democratic challenger new life.

But still, Bachmann was able to salvage a win on Tuesday, beating Democrat Elwyn Tinklenberg 47-43. Third party candidate Bob Anderson managed to pull 10 percent of the vote.

[kingdom2000]

I never understand these third party candidates. I just don't get why they don't prove they can carve out a section of the electorate and then negotiate something with one of the candiates in return for support. They claim they stick around to get their views heard and inact change on whatever their platform is, but a loss just means their ideas get lost and never heard again.

I think the real reason is ego, pure and simple. After election day they fade into obscurity anyway but hanging on means they get to enjoy the moment as long as possible why conceding would end the fun early.

[Calybos]

I think the "work out a compromise" outcome is what's supposed to happen, but too often the affected major party just throws an entitlement tantrum and says, "Sit down and shut up, dammit. Your voters BELONG to us, and you're interfering."

And at that point, the major party deserves a spanking in the form of losing a close election. Taking a voting segment for granted, without addressing their issues, SHOULD be costly.

[KevinTBrown]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that Obama turned Indiana blue!!!! :eek: He NEVER led in any legitimate polls there. Never.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Well, I can deal with an Obama presidency and a larger Democratic majority, I suppose. It'll be like Sesame Street with a lot less human characters. The puppets are cute and likable, but the people teaching them how to read and count are gone, and there are scary Communists with hands up their asses. Still, it could be fun and funny, and the future looks interesting, if not necessarily actually brighter.

I stayed up until 4 AM, drawing FLASH and watching the coverage, and was really moved and happy to see African Americans weeping for joy. It really is neat. The white college students outside the White House, well, I could have done without those.

We're living history!

[4thHorseman]

Wow, seriously, I don't think I've ever been so moved. What an amazing thing to not only be apart of (though it did no good in Kansas), but to actually witness as well. I definately think the better candidate won, though I felt kinda bad by how badly McCain was beaten. But man, when Obama got on stage, it was hard not to shed a tear. Can't even imagine what that must feel like for him.

[Stressfactor]

Well, I can deal with an Obama presidency and a larger Democratic majority, I suppose. It'll be like Sesame Street with a lot less human characters. The puppets are cute and likable, but the people teaching them how to read and count are gone, and there are scary Communists with hands up their asses. Still, it could be fun and funny, and the future looks interesting, if not necessarily actually brighter.

I stayed up until 4 AM, drawing FLASH and watching the coverage, and was really moved and happy to see African Americans weeping for joy. It really is neat. The white college students outside the White House, well, I could have done without those.

We're living history!

Be fair -- Kermit the Frog taught kids the alphabet.... :biggrin:

[Stressfactor]

My greatest hope is that we, as Americans, have also turned a corner in regards to our campaigns.

This one got negative. They have ALL been negative for years but at times this one got really negative at times.

And you know what? For the most part, this year, the American people said STOP! They said "We don't CARE about that stuff. We want to hear the issues, we want to know what YOU are going to do -- not what a crappy person you think your opponent is."

I hope and pray that this is true and that as time goes on we see more and more campaigns that focus not on the negativity, not on the attack ads but instead on the candidates themselves and their ideas for moving forward.

[CutterMike]

(...)
But man, when Obama got on stage, it was hard not to shed a tear. Can't even imagine what that must feel like for him.I'm sure that he was NOT thinking this, but looking at him as he walked out onto the podium, looking at that sea of faces, I imagined him thinking, "Holy SHIT! What have I gotten myself into?!!?"

[EdContradictory]

Both CBS and Fox have called Pennsylvania for Obama .

I'd like to point out that, after this, if the networks had had the balls to call Florida, my prediction of this "being over" at 8:30 would have been right.:tongue:

[AllisterH]

Funny thing I read somewhere else.

If Gore HAD won (or even Kerry in '04), there's a good chance that Obama would not have had a shot since the country supposedly would never have been in that bad a shape.

[the4thpip]

Barring an October Surprise™ bigger than Bristol and Levi's shotgun wedding, and if the voting machines don't steal it, this is what we should be looking at come election night if current trends reflected in polls continue:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/novembermap.jpg

My Oct 1 prediction was closer than the final projections on RCP and 538. :cool:

[the4thpip]

In Georgia, with 99% of the precincts reporting, that ass Chambliss is missing 14,700 votes to avoid a run-off.

[king mob]

The British ambassador to Washington reveals what McCain really thinks of Palin. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/nov/05/john-mccain-sarah-palin)

[Buzz Dixon]

Funny thing I read somewhere else.

If Gore HAD won (or even Kerry in '04), there's a good chance that Obama would not have had a shot since the country supposedly would never have been in that bad a shape.If Bill Clinton had stepped down after admitting he lied under oath and suborned perjury, Gore would have been a sitting president and would have probably won election on his own in 2000 and 2004. That, in turn, would have probably eliminated several of the situations Obama needed to make a meteoric rise to the top of the Democrat list.

[king mob]

Former US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, throws a strop on the BBC's election coverage. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tiPuqvO6qT8) Sadly the full incident hasn't yet been uploaded as it apparently features a lengthy deconstruction of Bolton & his Neocon mates by Simon Schama.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

In Georgia, with 99% of the precincts reporting, that ass Chambliss is missing 14,700 votes to avoid a run-off.

I really don't trust any of these motherfuckers down here--tens of thousands of misprinted mail-in ballots (unreadable by computer) that have to be transferred by hand,, randomly disqualified voters on the mail-ins in the thousands. Karen Handel is our Katherine Harris--most of even the Conservatives I know were voting against Chambliss.

A runoff will be BAAAAD for Chambliss.

[king mob]

I've just watched both Obama's acceptance speech & McCain's concession one. Both are fine speech's & McCain comes over as a decent man totally out of his depth. However what the fuck were the crowd at the McCain speech doing? Booing Obama's name & did I really hear them using the N-word is seriously out of order. Fair play to McCain for trying to control them & inject some dignity into his defeat.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I've just watched both Obama's acceptance speech & McCain's concession one. Both are fine speech's & McCain comes over as a decent man totally out of his depth. However what the fuck were the crowd at the McCain speech doing? Booing Obama's name & did I really hear them using the N-word is seriously out of order. Fair play to McCain for trying to control them & inject some dignity into his defeat.

The differences between the McCain and Obama crowds were palatable--I watched both on C-Span. McCain supporters came off as a lynch mob, while Obama supporters were respectful during the live feed of McCain's speech, and even cheered him a few times at appropriate moments.

The hate spewing from the Right was also palatable during live phone calls afterward that they were taking on C-Span 2...:frown:

[Royal]

Rahm Imanuel has been offered the position of CoS.

[Charles RB]

The British ambassador to Washington reveals what McCain really thinks of Palin. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/nov/05/john-mccain-sarah-palin)

Heheheheheh. :biggrin: