2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega thread

[4thHorseman]

So I decided to troll the right wing circuit online a bit...

And what do I find?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933

Philip J. Berg, a prominent Penssylvania Hillary supporter, believes Obama's US birth certificate is fake.

His website: http://obamacrimes.com/

To be fair, he also believes Bush perpetrated 9/11.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0701/S00076.htm


He's doing it again (from his website)

Philip J. Berg Will Be Arriving U.S. Supreme Court, Washington, DC at 3:15 p.m. today to file for an Injunction to Stay Presidential Election Pending Writ of Certiorari regarding Obama who is "NOT" qualified to be President of the United States

(Press Release - 10/30/08 - Contact information and pdf of press release at bottom)



(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/30/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he will
be at the United States Supreme Court today, October 30, 2008 to file:

Application to Justice Souter for an Immediate Injunction to Stay the Presidential Election of November 4, 2008; and
Writ of Certiorari.
Berg stated, “I am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will grant the Injunction pending a review of this case to avoid a Constitutional Crisis by insisting that Obama produce certified documentation that he is or is not a “natural born” citizen and if he cannot produce documentation that Obama be removed from the ballot for President.

Berg’s case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?

I'm not sure how that's going. Apparently his evidence is a tape of one of Obama's relatives saying they were in the delivery room, in Kenya, during his birth.

I'm calling bullshit. But I was reading over all the comments on that site and was getting a headache. The lack of evidence and full-on-support was brain damaging.

[Paul McEnery]

A lot of it's one-sentence spam.

The 10K post, it radiates a warm, warm glow of intentional irony.

[stealthwise]

The 10K post, it radiates a warm, warm glow of intentional irony.

Well, now I'm definitely aroused.

[KevinTBrown]

Well, now I'm definitely aroused.

I can reveal it now: That was my goal when I started this thread in May.



:tongue:

[Paul McEnery]

I can reveal it now: That was my goal when I started this thread in May.



:tongue:

To collect ten thousand slender spamposts, and thereby increase the sexual pleasure of the nation?

Kinky!

[stealthwise]

To collect ten thousand slender spamposts, and thereby increase the sexual pleasure of the nation?

Kinky!

I'm Canadian.

Epic Fail!

[Paul McEnery]

I'm Canadian.

Epic Fail!

That's no way to speak of your country.

[AllisterH]

You know, I wonder about something.

What is it about having Oil that seems to cause the "socially conservative" folks to gravitate to it.

This article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6084678.html) could've been written about Canada's own Texas, namely Alberta (ask an Albertan about the NEP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program) and they'll go on and on about it even though it has been close to 30 years)

[stealthwise]

That's no way to speak of your country.

Fuck 'em, they voted the same pack of bastards in for five more years.

[Alex Scott]

If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?
Hm. But then, if the Supreme Court of the United States doesn't have the power to decide who has legal standing in a legal case pertaining directly to someone's legal status - then who does?

Mr. Berg must think it's called the Supreme Court because Diana Ross used to be a member.

[TomStillwell]

Even more fun to watch: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x229847


:biggrin:

Um...I posted a video too?

[FalconX2000]

And here's what it looks like today:

Obama 375 McCain 157 Ties 6

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Oct30.png


The end result will be........?

Why on Earth is Montana solidly blue?

[Nick Soapdish]

Why on Earth is Montana solidly blue?

It isn't. It's white which means that they have it as exactly tied.

You may want to visit that Color Blindness thread down below. :wink:

[KevinTBrown]

Um...I posted a video too?

Didn't come up for me. For some reason, HuffingtonPost rarely does on my home computer.

[LtMarvel]

Montana is white...as in a tie.

[KevinTBrown]

Why on Earth is Montana solidly blue?

Oh, and in case you didn't know, Montana is solidly white.


:wink:

[Nick Soapdish]

Montana is white...as in a tie.

I'll take a ginger beer.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, Montana is solidly white.


:wink:

Make that two.

[DavidAllred]

Ok, so Exxon Mobile made a record 14 and a half billion dollar profit in the 3rd quarter.

So if that's pre-tax profit, they pay .43 cents on every dollar they make in taxes which is verifiably insane. That's a little over 6 billion dollars in taxes they paid on that record profit, more if they paid taxes on the top end then reported an after-tax profit.

Biden came out today and said he wanted to cut the 4 billion dollars in tax relief that these companies get. Somebody needs to explain the logic in this to me, because I still don't get it. If you cut out 4 billion in tax relief, then you reduce the amount you can tax at .43 cents on the dollar. Let's say it hit this quarter (I can only guess he means an extra 1 billion per quarter). You would lower their profits to 13.5 billion, and only take in 5.8 billion in taxes on their profit. So, your net gain is only about 500 million.

Therefore you've just taken 1 billion away from the economy via investors, to put 500 million back into the economy via taxes. Does it make sense simply because the government believes it can put 500 million to better use than the average investor can put 1 billion to use?

How does this make sense?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I sadly have a fear that John McCain will somehow win this election. Its sad but with how some sadly just are scared of change (and a Black Man) they will sit and want 4 more years of the same excuse. And thats the saddest thing...all the young people finally stepped up after years of the people complaining "Wheres the youth vote ?"

It will be devasting to the youth of today if Obama doesn't win. Or if he gets screwed outta this

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I sadly have a fear that John McCain will somehow win this election. Its sad but with how some sadly just are scared of change (and a Black Man) they will sit and want 4 more years of the same excuse. And thats the saddest thing...all the young people finally stepped up after years of the people complaining "Wheres the youth vote ?"

It will be devasting to the youth of today if Obama doesn't win. Or if he gets screwed outta this

That is my fear as well, and it gets confirmed everytime CNN mentions how tighter it´s getting as election day closes in.

People are getting nervous and chickening out.

[Cam63]

Australia is amber.

[bert]

I sadly have a fear that John McCain will somehow win this election. Its sad but with how some sadly just are scared of change (and a Black Man) they will sit and want 4 more years of the same excuse. And thats the saddest thing...all the young people finally stepped up after years of the people complaining "Wheres the youth vote ?"

It will be devasting to the youth of today if Obama doesn't win. Or if he gets screwed outta this

I've been fearing this for weeks. (tho I think there might be rioting in some major cities if the Republicans steal this election due to dirty tricks).

my golden parachute is that I firmly believe that Congress will be heavily Democrat -- so even if McCain does manage to steal this, the Democrats will block him from almost every shit thing he tries to do.



but I hope Obama wins -- he's more Presidential, and he's what this Country needs.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've been fearing this for weeks. (tho I think there might be rioting in some major cities if the Republicans steal this election due to dirty tricks).

my golden parachute is that I firmly believe that Congress will be heavily Democrat -- so even if McCain does manage to steal this, the Democrats will block him from almost every shit thing he tries to do.



but I hope Obama wins -- he's more Presidential, and he's what this Country needs.

I think the riots will likely tear the country apart basically. I don't think anyone would honestly for weeks take hearing how much a lead Obama has and then find out he lost. Your gonna see some anger...

[Nick Soapdish]

Ok, so Exxon Mobile made a record 14 and a half billion dollar profit in the 3rd quarter.

So if that's pre-tax profit, they pay .43 cents on every dollar they make in taxes which is verifiably insane. That's a little over 6 billion dollars in taxes they paid on that record profit, more if they paid taxes on the top end then reported an after-tax profit.

Biden came out today and said he wanted to cut the 4 billion dollars in tax relief that these companies get. Somebody needs to explain the logic in this to me, because I still don't get it. If you cut out 4 billion in tax relief, then you reduce the amount you can tax at .43 cents on the dollar. Let's say it hit this quarter (I can only guess he means an extra 1 billion per quarter). You would lower their profits to 13.5 billion, and only take in 5.8 billion in taxes on their profit. So, your net gain is only about 500 million.

Therefore you've just taken 1 billion away from the economy via investors, to put 500 million back into the economy via taxes. Does it make sense simply because the government believes it can put 500 million to better use than the average investor can put 1 billion to use?

How does this make sense?

It doesn't. Your word problem is incorrect.

That other $500M (quarterly) doesn't just disappear. It's still corporate profits for Exxon and its shareholders.

[KevinTBrown]

Australia is amber.

Amber Bock?

[KevinTBrown]

I sadly have a fear that John McCain will somehow win this election. Its sad but with how some sadly just are scared of change (and a Black Man) they will sit and want 4 more years of the same excuse. And thats the saddest thing...all the young people finally stepped up after years of the people complaining "Wheres the youth vote ?"

It will be devasting to the youth of today if Obama doesn't win. Or if he gets screwed outta this

I've been fearing this for weeks. (tho I think there might be rioting in some major cities if the Republicans steal this election due to dirty tricks).

my golden parachute is that I firmly believe that Congress will be heavily Democrat -- so even if McCain does manage to steal this, the Democrats will block him from almost every shit thing he tries to do.



but I hope Obama wins -- he's more Presidential, and he's what this Country needs.

I think the riots will likely tear the country apart basically. I don't think anyone would honestly for weeks take hearing how much a lead Obama has and then find out he lost. Your gonna see some anger...

The only way McCain can realistically win this election is in 2 ways:

1) Obama is assassinated prior to Monday.

2) He steals it.


Either way, this country would be torn apart. Figuratively and literally. The USA we know would then cease to exist.

There is just no LEGAL way for McCain to pull this one out. Not now. Not this late. If he had another 2 weeks, then maybe... but not with 5 days or so to go.

[Evan Waters]

Well- I'm knocking wood, several times.

Anything could happen, but it is the Halloween season. I'm finding all sorts of ways to scare myself.

[KevinTBrown]

Well- I'm knocking wood, several times.

Anything could happen, but it is the Halloween season. I'm finding all sorts of ways to scare myself.

Believe me, I'm as nervous as a 2-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs and mousetraps.

[DavidAllred]

It doesn't. Your word problem is incorrect.

That other $500M (quarterly) doesn't just disappear. It's still corporate profits for Exxon and its shareholders.

Ok, so then we're basically just taxing them another 500 million? I don't see why they don't just come out and say, "Instead of taking .43 of every dollar Exxon makes, we're going to take .48 cents." Seems a bit more honest than saying we're going to end their 4 billion dollar tax credit.

[suttercain]

Many American Christians believe that agnostics and atheists have no ethics or moral compass; and they think the same of non-Christians, as evidenced by the pejorative use of "Muslim" this year.

Two groups that are still openly discriminated against. Muslims and gays. I live in California and it's terrifying how many people have a "Yes on Prop 8" sign displayed in their yard. That's the prop to make gay marriage illegal.

[TCJohnson]

In order for McCain to win, he has to win Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. If he loses one of those states, he loses the election. And right now he is 13 points behind on the Pennsylvania polls.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In order for McCain to win, he has to win Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. If he loses one of those states, he loses the election. And right now he is 13 points behind on the Pennsylvania polls.

has good....I heard Obama has a slim lead in Ohio...even with Joe the Plumber. :tongue:

[Nick Soapdish]

Ok, so then we're basically just taxing them another 500 million? I don't see why they don't just come out and say, "Instead of taking .43 of every dollar Exxon makes, we're going to take .48 cents." Seems a bit more honest than saying we're going to end their 4 billion dollar tax credit.

The way that you laid it out, yes.

But it could mean that losing those tax breaks actually results in Exxon paying $4B more in taxes. That's what I'd assume based on how I do my taxes.

If I get a tax break, it simply comes straight out of the amount that I would've paid. But I've already been credited for those earnings. So I don't have to go back and figure out how much taxes that I'd pay on that income again.

Here's a completely made-up example. I earn $40,000. I've paid $4000 in income tax. But I spent $1000 making my house more energy efficient so I get that money as a tax credit. When I fill out my tax return, I put that on the sheet and it lowers my taxes to $3000. So I get $1000 back.

That doesn't mean that I earned an extra $1000 and now have to pay taxes on it. I already did. There are some tax credits that lower your effective income instead, but those usually get called deductibles on the tax forms.

But that's personal income tax. Corporate stuff may be set up differently. I was sort of assuming that you were asserting that to be the case, but I got caught up in the disappearing $500M instead.

[Royal]

The only way McCain can realistically win this election is in 2 ways:

1) Obama is assassinated prior to Monday.

2) He steals it.


Either way, this country would be torn apart. Figuratively and literally. The USA we know would then cease to exist.

There is just no LEGAL way for McCain to pull this one out. Not now. Not this late. If he had another 2 weeks, then maybe... but not with 5 days or so to go.

3) Porn

Only way to win

[Infra-Man]

Two groups that are still openly discriminated against. Muslims and gays. I live in California and it's terrifying how many people have a "Yes on Prop 8" sign displayed in their yard. That's the prop to make gay marriage illegal.

I heard about the "they'll teach gay marriage in schools" ads from some friends of mine in California a few days ago. All I could think was "But they don't even teach about heterosexual marriage in schools."

The "yes on prop 8" camp is full of despicable homophobes, a majority I imagine hiding their hatred and ignorance beneath the aegis of religion, though oblivious to the fact that said aegis is as flimsy as the paper in a pocket Bible.

If you believe that two consenting same-sex adults getting married threatens the institution of marriage itself, you are a nincompoop, you breathe through you mouth, you need constant reminders of which way is left and which is right, you are functionally illiterate, you have not yet mastered the use of napkins or spoons, you refer to turkeys as "dirt flappers," you mispronounce "nuclear," you don't know your state's capital, you hop on a trampoline to defecate, and you will sadly pass on your stupidity to your wretched pinhead children who will themselves spawn a brood of knuckleheads and slack jaws with no thoughts in their heads. This entire progeny of idiots will no doubt be birthed out of wedlock.

Wish I still lived in CA so I could vote that prop down.


EDIT:
Actually, on the note of the hatred some Christians have for Muslims, just saw this...

http://www.wftv.com/news/17846130/detail.html#-

Controversial Church Sign Reads "God Loves You, Allah Hates"
MANDARIN, Fla. -- A controversial sign at a Christian church has some Muslims very upset. The sign reads: "God loves you, Allah hates."

A spokesperson for the council on American Islamic relations said that the message is preposterous because he believes Muslims, Christians and Jews all believe in the same Lord.

One mother saw the sign and was scared by the message it was sending.

"What have I done, what have I done to deserve that kind of hatred in my neighborhood?" she said.

The pastor of the church refused to talk on camera and when asked about the sign he said the Quran says "God hates the sinner."

The mother believes in freedom of speech, but she also wants acceptance for her religion.

[Cam63]

Amber Bock?

...If it's beer, then yes.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

CNN just showed on the board that in order for McCain to win he'd need to turn Penn state his way. And need help. Thats giving him all the tossups currently in the map except that state.

They gave Obama "Nevada" in the solid column . And its said the Republicans are scared McCain could lose Arizona !

[Nick Soapdish]

I heard about the "they'll teach gay marriage in schools" ads from some friends of mine in California a few days ago. All I could think was "But they don't even teach about heterosexual marriage in schools."

The "yes on prop 8" camp is full of despicable homophobes, a majority I imagine hiding their hatred and ignorance beneath the aegis of religion, though oblivious to the fact that said aegis is as flimsy as the paper in a pocket Bible.

If you believe that two consenting same-sex adults getting married threatens the institution of marriage itself, you are a nincompoop, you breathe through you mouth, you need constant reminders of which way is left and which is right, you are functionally illiterate, you have not yet mastered the use of napkins or spoons, you refer to turkeys as "dirt flappers," you mispronounce "nuclear," you don't know your state's capital, you hop on a trampoline to defecate, and you will sadly pass on your stupidity to your wretched pinhead children who will themselves spawn a brood of knuckleheads and slack jaws with no thoughts in their heads. This entire progeny of idiots will no doubt be birthed out of wedlock.

Wish I still lived in CA so I could vote that prop down.


EDIT:
Actually, on the note of the hatred some Christians have for Muslims, just saw this...

http://www.wftv.com/news/17846130/detail.html#-

Well, if you lived in Florida, you could vote down Amendment 2 instead - The Defense of Marriage Amendment.

We already have marriage defined as being between a man and a woman four other times in state law, but people aren't feeling secure enough about that. You need a 60% supermajority to pass amendments now by referendum, but it's looking awfully likely.

[Buzz Dixon]

Oh, and in case you didn't know, Montana is solidly white.Not true: There are at least three African-Americans in the state.

[BnL]

Not true: There are at least three African-Americans in the state.

Zing! That punchline was just waiting to happen.

[FalconX2000]

It isn't. It's white which means that they have it as exactly tied.

You may want to visit that Color Blindness thread down below. :wink:

No, its just that you Americans have acronyms that are too similar.:tongue: I mixed it up with Minnesota, which I know is blue. My bad.

I heard about the "they'll teach gay marriage in schools" ads from some friends of mine in California a few days ago. All I could think was "But they don't even teach about heterosexual marriage in schools."

The "yes on prop 8" camp is full of despicable homophobes, a majority I imagine hiding their hatred and ignorance beneath the aegis of religion, though oblivious to the fact that said aegis is as flimsy as the paper in a pocket Bible.

If you believe that two consenting same-sex adults getting married threatens the institution of marriage itself, you are a nincompoop, you breathe through you mouth, you need constant reminders of which way is left and which is right, you are functionally illiterate, you have not yet mastered the use of napkins or spoons, you refer to turkeys as "dirt flappers," you mispronounce "nuclear," you don't know your state's capital, you hop on a trampoline to defecate, and you will sadly pass on your stupidity to your wretched pinhead children who will themselves spawn a brood of knuckleheads and slack jaws with no thoughts in their heads. This entire progeny of idiots will no doubt be birthed out of wedlock.

Wish I still lived in CA so I could vote that prop down.

Actually no. That's not even close. There are plenty of good, smart, perfectly coherent people who oppose gay marraige. I realise this is a rant to vent out frustration, but we hold other people's rants against them as well.

I most certainly do not agree with discrimination against gays. They should have a right to marry and I see the idea of opposing it as bigoted oppression. But that doesn't mean every person who disagrees with me or you on this somehow becomes subhuman. Most of them don't see themselves the way others do. How we grow up very much affects what we believe and how we act.

[Lester C.]

I wonder what final desperate stops Obama and especially McCain are going to pull over the long weekend until Election Day.

[Global Honored]

Their last desperate efforts will be....wait for it....the Apocalypse is closing in.....where any respectable world leader would appear...obviously....after the 2nd quarter of the Steelers-Redskins game....Monday Night Football is....the home of politics and life-altering decision makers.....McCain and Obama will be halftime guests of broadcasting icon and the voice of the people....Chris "Back Back Back...and gone!" Berman! Seriously? This is what our country has gone to? Big Ben and Portis will be featured but while you make your restroom runs and pop open another tall boy you can listen to some debating....after the recap of the Sunday games of course....WTF?!? Berman? Russert dies and we get Berman for the last interview before America hits the booth.....nice. I hope the Swammie gives us his Nov 4th predictions as well. Ridicu-f'n-lous. What? Access Hollywood couldn't fit them in? No cameos on Desperate Housewives this year?

[Corrina]

On gay marriage:

I've never seen an argument against it that doesn't boil down to "it's icky."

Seriously. It's argued it's not right on moral grounds, on religious grounds, on the 'it's just not right' grounds, etc. Some people do try to argue against it with logic--we've never done it before, society will suffer, etc., but those 'logical' arguments aren't based in fact--all in speculation and fears. What most of the opposition seems to have is a gut reaction that it's icky.

I get the religious argument (but, then religion has many illogical positions) but this country has many laws that some religious people of one type or another don't like either.

There's absolutely no proven harm to traditional marriage or children. Quite the opposite, we have some evidence that it's helpful to both.

We have some evidence that there's no tangible "society will crumble!" effect. I haven't noticed any appreciable difference in Vermont or Massachusetts or any wrath of God there.

There's a gut reaction that 'it's icky.' And people who have it should sit down and have a long talk with themselves to try and get over it. It doesn't make them bad people--but it does make them guilty of prejudice and, if they're good people, they will work to get past it instead of holding it tight.

[KevinTBrown]

Not true: There are at least three African-Americans in the state.

Well played, Sir! :tongue:

[Global Honored]

I voted early already. FLORIDA. Yes, I am in Tallahassee...but we never had "chads" here so don't blame us. I voted down Amendment 2 and pretty much all the amendments that get thrown at us every two years. What is the point of a state constitution if you can not even figure out what it said originally due to all amending and un-amending?

But, Seriously, who cares who gets married? How does a man married to another man or woman to woman effect someone else? Who teaches marriage in school? Who makes up that BS? What class is that? In between biology and geometry I have hetero-marriage class? What? Personally... I think marriage itself will be the punishment enought for those who worry about the ickyness. Seriously, they don't know how good they have it now by not being legally tied together. What they should try to outlaw if these "concerned lawmakers" are clever is GAY DIVORCE. That'll "learn" 'em!

[Infra-Man]

Actually no. That's not even close. There are plenty of good, smart, perfectly coherent people who oppose gay marraige. I realise this is a rant to vent out frustration, but we hold other people's rants against them as well.

I most certainly do not agree with discrimination against gays. They should have a right to marry and I see the idea of opposing it as bigoted oppression. But that doesn't mean every person who disagrees with me or you on this somehow becomes subhuman. Most of them don't see themselves the way others do. How we grow up very much affects what we believe and how we act.

It was actually a sarcastic rant, much of it flip and meant for a laugh, but with a hint of truth to it. I mean, c'mon, who would take the trampoline line seriously (it's straight from a David Ives play about David Mamet), let alone the napkin and spoon line? Feel free to hold it against me, though. :)

I assume that most politicians who support civil unions also support gay marriage, but have to scale back their support in public in order to secure the homophobe vote, which is sadly a large portion of the population. I still stand by the idea, however, that anyone who believes the world will crumble if two consenting same-sex adults get married is an irrational dingbat.

[Nick Soapdish]

I voted early already. FLORIDA. Yes, I am in Tallahassee...but we never had "chads" here so don't blame us. I voted down Amendment 2 and pretty much all the amendments that get thrown at us every two years. What is the point of a state constitution if you can not even figure out what it said originally due to all amending and un-amending?

But, Seriously, who cares who gets married? How does a man married to another man or woman to woman effect someone else? Who teaches marriage in school? Who makes up that BS? What class is that? In between biology and geometry I have hetero-marriage class? What? Personally... I think marriage itself will be the punishment enought for those who worry about the ickyness. Seriously, they don't know how good they have it now by not being legally tied together. What they should try to outlaw if these "concerned lawmakers" are clever is GAY DIVORCE. That'll "learn" 'em!

I picture the Florida Constitution as a sheet of paper completely covered with layers of Post-it notes.

It annoys the heck out of me, but apparently, it's what we're stuck with. I think that our lawmakers have used the amendment process as an excuse not to deal with some issues. A lot of the issues on constitution are perfectly good ideas (such as not assessing property taxes on houses for hurricane proofing or assessing taxes based on the use rather than the best use which pushes them to be developed to that best use). But they could easily be handled by the legislature.

How'd you find the voting lines? I've had a few co-workers try to go in, but they've been around the block. I'm over in Gadsden so they were fairly short, but it was also the middle of the day.

[suttercain]

II assume that most politicians who support civil unions also support gay marriage, but have to scale back their support in public in order to secure the homophobe vote, which is sadly a large portion of the population.

Obama? I think it was he who said in the most recent debate that he doesn't believe the abortiotion topic should be a state issue because it's a civil rights issue. Isn't gay marriage also a civil rights issue? Can you imagine if we allowed Kentucky to vote on segregation? I'm sure some counties would be more than happy to go back to white only classrooms.

Civil Unions is another way for bigots to say "Separate but equal." Additionally I have heard them say "We can't redefine the word marriage" yet they have no problem calling a gay person fag. Changing the definition of "fag" is all good with them.

Religious leaders are the biggest supports of a yes on 8 vote here in California. The Knights of Columbus and the Church of Latter Day Saints. Both groups who used to discriminate against other races.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I picture the Florida Constitution as a sheet of paper completely covered with layers of Post-it notes.

It annoys the heck out of me, but apparently, it's what we're stuck with. I think that our lawmakers have used the amendment process as an excuse not to deal with some issues. A lot of the issues on constitution are perfectly good ideas (such as not assessing property taxes on houses for hurricane proofing or assessing taxes based on the use rather than the best use which pushes them to be developed to that best use). But they could easily be handled by the legislature.

How'd you find the voting lines? I've had a few co-workers try to go in, but they've been around the block. I'm over in Gadsden so they were fairly short, but it was also the middle of the day.

I voted in Lakeland on 10/25, and was in line about 45 minutes.

Voted YES on Obama and NO on 2.

Also almost got into it with a McCain supporter. His wife was in front of me, and she called him to come by after we were almost to polling place. So he shows up and jumps ahead of everyone else to be with her. I make it a point to ask loudly whether or not he had asked permission from everyone else in line. He claims he had been waiting and she was holding his place. I say "I don't think so." He then asks if there is a problem, as he is apparently none too bright. His wife, trying to defuse situation, asks if I want to get ahead of them. I state that I know how to wait properly in line, which gets a smattering of applause behind me.

I hate people.

[Nick Soapdish]

Obama? I think it was he who said in the most recent debate that he doesn't believe the abortiotion topic should be a state issue because it's a civil rights issue. Isn't gay marriage also a civil rights issue? Can you imagine if we allowed Kentucky to vote on segregation? I'm sure some counties would be more than happy to go back to white only classrooms.

Civil Unions is another way for bigots to say "Separate but equal." Additionally I have heard them say "We can't redefine the word marriage" yet they have no problem calling a gay person fag. Changing the definition of "fag" is all good with them.

Religious leaders are the biggest supports of a yes on 8 vote here in California. The Knights of Columbus and the Church of Latter Day Saints. Both groups who used to discriminate against other races.

To be fair, most groups in the US that have been around since the '50s used to discriminate against other races.

[Michael P]

No, its just that you Americans have acronyms that are too similar.

Those aren't acronyms. They're postal abbreviations.

[Infra-Man]

Obama? I think it was he who said in the most recent debate that he doesn't believe the abortiotion topic should be a state issue because it's a civil rights issue. Isn't gay marriage also a civil rights issue? Can you imagine if we allowed Kentucky to vote on segregation? I'm sure some counties would be more than happy to go back to white only classrooms.

Yeah, gay marriage is one of the things I think Obama has a dumb stance on (i.e., civil unions rather than marriage proper), though it's likely (and unfortunately) the only stance he can take while remaining a viable national candidate.

If things are ugly in just California over prop 8, imagine the venom a national candidate who believes in gay marriage would have to put up with.

[KevinTBrown]

I voted in Lakeland on 10/25, and was in line about 45 minutes.

Voted YES on Obama and NO on 2.

Also almost got into it with a McCain supporter. His wife was in front of me, and she called him to come by after we were almost to polling place. So he shows up and jumps ahead of everyone else to be with her. I make it a point to ask loudly whether or not he had asked permission from everyone else in line. He claims he had been waiting and she was holding his place. I say "I don't think so." He then asks if there is a problem, as he is apparently none too bright. His wife, trying to defuse situation, asks if I want to get ahead of them. I state that I know how to wait properly in line, which gets a smattering of applause behind me.

I hate people.

You were a hell of a lot nicer than I would have been. Line jumping is one of those things I will not tolerate and is a major pet peeve of mine. If it was me, I would have mentioned it to an official in the polling place about him jumping, regardless of whether his wife was there or not.

When I'm in line and I'm waiting for someone to show, I'll inform the person behind me. That's just commom courtesy.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I voted in Lakeland on 10/25, and was in line about 45 minutes.

Voted YES on Obama and NO on 2.

Also almost got into it with a McCain supporter. His wife was in front of me, and she called him to come by after we were almost to polling place. So he shows up and jumps ahead of everyone else to be with her. I make it a point to ask loudly whether or not he had asked permission from everyone else in line. He claims he had been waiting and she was holding his place. I say "I don't think so." He then asks if there is a problem, as he is apparently none too bright. His wife, trying to defuse situation, asks if I want to get ahead of them. I state that I know how to wait properly in line, which gets a smattering of applause behind me.

I hate people.

Not to nitpick but I've seen couples who have held each others places in line. I've seen it happen at a wait in a movie line when friends and me went and saw a movie. And the person in front of me was holding a spot for girlfriend (or wife).

It wouldn't shock me if she actually went ahead of him while he did some things , got a place in line for them. It happens....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You were a hell of a lot nicer than I would have been. Line jumping is one of those things I will not tolerate and is a major pet peeve of mine. If it was me, I would have mentioned it to an official in the polling place about him jumping, regardless of whether his wife was there or not.

When I'm in line and I'm waiting for someone to show, I'll inform the person behind me. That's just commom courtesy.

I can understand if its one person... (man or woman) who gets a spot in line. If it was a group (2 or more) ...it would piss me off and I'd tell em to get in the back of line. But I can see a husband or wife getting there ...getting a spot in line and holding it while they park or run an errand. (Parking here was pretty bad...had to park down a street from the courthouse and walk up the street)

[Nick Soapdish]

Not to nitpick but I've seen couples who have held each others places in line. I've seen it happen at a wait in a movie line when friends and me went and saw a movie. And the person in front of me was holding a spot for girlfriend (or wife).

It wouldn't shock me if she actually went ahead of him while he did some things , got a place in line for them. It happens....

I've done the same in movies as well. Almost.

One of us waits in line and buys tickets for all of us. Or one person goes ahead to the restaurant and gets the party on the waiting list. But that seems to be a bit different to me. I don't recall ever having done it at amusement park rides which would be more similar.

And he said that it was about a 45 minute wait and the husband showed up at the end. That sort of thing is a bit more upsetting.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've done the same in movies as well. Almost.

One of us waits in line and buys tickets for all of us. Or one person goes ahead to the restaurant and gets the party on the waiting list. But that seems to be a bit different to me. I don't recall ever having done it at amusement park rides which would be more similar.

And he said that it was about a 45 minute wait and the husband showed up at the end. That sort of thing is a bit more upsetting.

Oh I can understand that. Waiting 45 minutes and the husband showing up at the end is kinda wild. Here we had to sign in to vote and then get in line to cast the vote on the machine. Now if it was like that , could the wife had taken his vote card , signed him in as he was elsewhere ?

There was one old man (Had to be in his 60's) who walked up to his wife who was 2 people ahead of me and said to sign him in. That his knee was hurting standing and he walked back and found a place to sit. I just remembered that on Thursday. There was also this McCain supporter behind me who claimed "I'm no McCain supporter , but I gotta vote the lesser of 2 evils and not let that black muslim in."

I remembered him more I suppose for his attitude...:frown:

[Matt Doc Martin]

You were a hell of a lot nicer than I would have been. Line jumping is one of those things I will not tolerate and is a major pet peeve of mine. If it was me, I would have mentioned it to an official in the polling place about him jumping, regardless of whether his wife was there or not.

When I'm in line and I'm waiting for someone to show, I'll inform the person behind me. That's just commom courtesy.

yes. And There was a steady stream of people arriving, which is why there was a 45 minute wait. And I was next person in line behind them.

Not to nitpick but I've seen couples who have held each others places in line. I've seen it happen at a wait in a movie line when friends and me went and saw a movie. And the person in front of me was holding a spot for girlfriend (or wife).

It wouldn't shock me if she actually went ahead of him while he did some things , got a place in line for them. It happens....

Movie lines are way diifferent. Odds are, man and wife buy tickets together. No one waits any longer to get their tickets.



I've done the same in movies as well. Almost.

One of us waits in line and buys tickets for all of us. Or one person goes ahead to the restaurant and gets the party on the waiting list. But that seems to be a bit different to me. I don't recall ever having done it at amusement park rides which would be more similar.

And he said that it was about a 45 minute wait and the husband showed up at the end. That sort of thing is a bit more upsetting.

You make sense.

hell, I bought tickets for a group of 10 to save everyone time once. Just easier and faster that way.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Oh I can understand that. Waiting 45 minutes and the husband showing up at the end is kinda wild. Here we had to sign in to vote and then get in line to cast the vote on the machine. Now if it was like that , could the wife had taken his vote card , signed him in as he was elsewhere ?

There was one old man (Had to be in his 60's) who walked up to his wife who was 2 people ahead of me and said to sign him in. That his knee was hurting standing and he walked back and found a place to sit. I just remembered that on Thursday. There was also this McCain supporter behind me who claimed "I'm no McCain supporter , but I gotta vote the lesser of 2 evils and not let that black muslim in."

I remembered him more I suppose for his attitude...:frown:

(In Florida) you must present your ID and sign in yourself to vote. As it turns out, the both had issues that held up the line even more. If someone needs assistance or cannot standin line, then waiting near the front for their turn to come up is no issue at all. Hell, if someone mobility impaired or such wants to try to get in early, if no one has an issue, let 'em.

This guy was too lazy to stand in line and shold have been made to ask everyone's permission (as I stated) OR made to get in back of line.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Movie lines are way diifferent. Odds are, man and wife buy tickets together. No one waits any longer to get their tickets.


We had to wait 30+ minutes in a line from hell when the 1st Spiderman movie came out. We joked about it but stood and waited . Now we buy tickets earlier and then go at times...but then we just didn't know how long the wait was.

[suttercain]

To be fair, most groups in the US that have been around since the '50s used to discriminate against other races.

Church of Latter Day Saints held on to that until the '70s.

[Michael P]

Church of Latter Day Saints held on to that until the '70s.

And the US Marshals were still doing it in the '90s. What's your point?

Oh, right, the same point as always: "Religion is evil."

[Global Honored]

I picture the Florida Constitution as a sheet of paper completely covered with layers of Post-it notes.

It annoys the heck out of me, but apparently, it's what we're stuck with. I think that our lawmakers have used the amendment process as an excuse not to deal with some issues. A lot of the issues on constitution are perfectly good ideas (such as not assessing property taxes on houses for hurricane proofing or assessing taxes based on the use rather than the best use which pushes them to be developed to that best use). But they could easily be handled by the legislature.

How'd you find the voting lines? I've had a few co-workers try to go in, but they've been around the block. I'm over in Gadsden so they were fairly short, but it was also the middle of the day.

I went in pre-lunch last Wednesday..11ish and only had to wait about 20 minutes. Luckily this time people seemed to know going in what was on the ballot and voting rather quickly. The amendments can get wordy with legalese and if you do not know what is what going in, the language can confuse even the most intelligent of us. There weren't lines going outside the building or around the block when I went. That only happened when FAMU took off class and marched to the polls to fill their ballots, which was an impressive sight. It should be interesting in FL again as it looks right now that it is going to be decided by the slimmest of margins....well...maybe 2nd slimmest.

[LtMarvel]

All state constitutions are huge books that require amending just to allow a new type of business. The US Constituion has been reprinted, in its entirity, on the back of a cereal box or in a Sunday comic strip. State constitutions take up entire books.

[FalconX2000]

Those aren't acronyms. They're postal abbreviations.

Yeah. Abbreviations is the proper term. Acronyms are for multiple words.


In election news, Obama has begun advertising in Arizona.

[suttercain]

And the US Marshals were still doing it in the '90s. What's your point?

Oh, right, the same point as always: "Religion is evil."

My point was to show the pattern of this particular group. Discrimination against blacks until the 70s, discrimination against the gays today. To my knowledge the US Marshals have not come out to support proposition 8.

[KevinTBrown]

Yeah. Abbreviations is the proper term. Acronyms are for multiple words.


In election news, Obama has begun advertising in Arizona.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp


In what could be a final ignominy for McCain, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said the campaign would begin airing ads in Arizona, a state McCain has represented in Congress for 26 years. Plouffe said the race has tightened in Arizona, Georgia and North Dakota. A recent poll from McCain's home state showed the two candidates in a statistical dead heat.

Wow. :eek:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp




Wow. :eek:


Missiouri is also a dead heat. Weeks ago I got the wrong state in one of these political threads and listed that one. People joked that Miss. was a state that Obama was trailing in and it was unlikely he could win there. Now its a dead heat ...:wink:

[KevinTBrown]

Missiouri is also a dead heat. Weeks ago I got the wrong state in one of these political threads and listed that one. People joked that Miss. was a state that Obama was trailing in and it was unlikely he could win there. Now its a dead heat ...:wink:

MO has always been a state of flux. They go how the wind blows sometimes..... Red, blue, purple... whatever.

BUT it being a dead heat in AZ (no pun intended) is like it being tied in IL, which it ain't.

[Typo Lad]

Election Day is Tuesday, And People Don't Know Where to Vote (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/do-go-vote-chicago-area/story.aspx?guid={9115FC8B-6AF2-4C95-A564-C0362ED4A3BA}&dist=msr_3)

With the upcoming election on November 4th and voter turnout expected to break records, Chicago area voters may be looking to the Internet to find where they should go to vote. User Centric, Inc. ( http://www.usercentric.com), a Chicago-based user experience research firm, conducted a study on Illinois residents' ability to locate their polling place using the Web. The study revealed 20% of the participants could not correctly locate their polling station.

Humanity, I love you but you are stupid

[KevinTBrown]

Election Day is Tuesday, And People Don't Know Where to Vote (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/do-go-vote-chicago-area/story.aspx?guid={9115FC8B-6AF2-4C95-A564-C0362ED4A3BA}&dist=msr_3)



Humanity, I love you but you are stupid

My mother has no idea where she needs to go.... but she also moved into her new place in June.

[Typo Lad]

I moved within the same district and have the same polling place. Yay!

[Eliseu Gouveia]

You know, listening to CNN and seeing all these strikes in Syrian and Pakistani soil lately makes me wonder if Bush is not trying to help McCain by triggering an international incident.

[TCJohnson]

My mother has no idea where she needs to go.... but she also moved into her new place in June.

I moved into my place in August and I am in a new county now. I know it is in Park View High School but I got no idea where that is.

[Infra-Man]

My polling place is a block away.

Voting first thing Tuesday morning then checking out the mood in the city and finding free things I can get with my "I voted" sticker (so far a Krispy Kreme donut and Ben & Jerry's ice cream).

[CutterMike]

You know, listening to CNN and seeing all these strikes in Syrian and Pakistani soil lately makes me wonder if Bush is not trying to help McCain by triggering an international incident.
...Declare an emergency and suspend elections for the duration...?

That way he and Cheney don't have to turn their toys over to ANYONE!

[CutterMike]

Server burp. :rolleyes:

[Spike-X]

I moved into my place in August and I am in a new county now. I know it is in Park View High School but I got no idea where that is.
400 W Laurel Ave
Sterling, VA 20164, United States




Google Maps is awesome.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

...Declare an emergency and suspend elections for the duration...?

That way he and Cheney don't have to turn their toys over to ANYONE!

Ohhh that would be wild to see a full scale riot happen. Since many will say Obama was heading to the win and demand he take office. Its 4 days from the election so soon....soon Bush knows he could lose his power.

[Infra-Man]

Summing up McCain's difficult path to victory:
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B5ea17703-dc40-4371-ac9c-d75f04fdcae4%7D.gif

[Corrina]

I know where mine is, the local high school, because they closed the schools for the day, leaving me home with three of the four minions.

This is NOT helpful to my being able to VOTE, you stupid school board.

There. I feel better now.

[Tetsuo_man]

MO has always been a state of flux. They go how the wind blows sometimes..... Red, blue, purple... whatever.

BUT it being a dead heat in AZ (no pun intended) is like it being tied in IL, which it ain't.

I can totally agree that MIssouri is always in a state of flux (I live here so I shoudl know). I'd go farther though and say that it's schitzophrenic except schitzophrenia is not the same as mutiple personaly disorder.

[TCJohnson]

Summing up McCain's difficult path to victory:
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B5ea17703-dc40-4371-ac9c-d75f04fdcae4%7D.gif

That actually sums it up perfectly. I have heard more than one "expert" who says that there is no way for McCain to win...but Obama can still lose.

[Grazzt]

Hilarious commentary from Something Positive:

http://www.somethingpositive.net/arch/sp10282008.gif

[Justin D.]

Regarding Palin's recent idiotic comments about the First Amendment and cross-posted from the Community board:

There is no way to spin that. Palin is just plain stupid and McCain has to feel like a damn fool for ever having chosen her. Even more astounding than her stupidity are the stupid voters who are voting for McCain/Palin solely based on the fact that Palin is a candidate. I heard a woman on the radio the other day talking about how it's more likely that someone McCain's age would have health issues than it is for someone Obama's age. At first, I thought she was making a case for voting for Obama. Turns out she was making a case for voting for Palin. She's voting for McCain/Palin explicitly because she expects McCain to die and Palin to become president.

Consider for a minute how warped that is and in how many different ways.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Regarding Palin's recent idiotic comments about the First Amendment and cross-posted from the Community board:

There is no way to spin that. Palin is just plain stupid and McCain has to feel like a damn fool for ever having chosen her. Even more astounding than her stupidity are the stupid voters who are voting for McCain/Palin solely based on the fact that Palin is a candidate. I heard a woman on the radio the other day talking about how it's more likely that someone McCain's age would have health issues than it is for someone Obama's age. At first, I thought she was making a case for voting for Obama. Turns out she was making a case for voting for Palin. She's voting for McCain/Palin explicitly because she expects McCain to die and Palin to become president.

Consider for a minute how warped that is and in how many different ways.


There is no way in heaven this woman will get the 2012 nod. Its blown all to hell. The Republicans had better ride Mike Huckabee hard and get him ready to face that election. Because if they are thinking Sarah Palin is ready....they are mistaken. This woman has said enough right now to kill an election in 2012.

[suttercain]

One of the only times I liked McCain 2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E

[Buzz Dixon]

Rauch's Rule of 14:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/st_20031017_1717.php

His logic? McCain has been on the public scene too long, he's past his presidential "sell by" date.

And of the examples Rauch cites, the only exception was someone who became president by assuming the officer after his predecessor was shot.

[LtMarvel]

Obama has started advertising in GA, ND, and AZ.....

[4PointOh]

Ronald Reagan's former Chief of Staff endorses Obama:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/31/former-reagan-adviser-endorses-obama/

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Ronald Reagan's former Chief of Staff endorses Obama:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/31/former-reagan-adviser-endorses-obama/

The Reagans were never too big on McCain.

[AllisterH]

Rauch's Rule of 14:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/st_20031017_1717.php

His logic? McCain has been on the public scene too long, he's past his presidential "sell by" date.

And of the examples Rauch cites, the only exception was someone who became president by assuming the officer after his predecessor was shot.

I'm not sure this is a good thing.

Are we saying that being in elective office for too long is a BAD thing?

That said, I do think this has affected McCain badly. We have so many years that we can go over his record and call him a flip flopper OR "wrong" on certain issues.

Compared to someone who is relatively fresh and less time to screw up, McCain's at an advantage.

[a. non]

...Declare an emergency and suspend elections for the duration...?

That way he and Cheney don't have to turn their toys over to ANYONE!

If i was a conspiracy theorist, I'd think that SOMETHING was gonna happen soon, what with

Directive 51
ammending the Insurrection Act of 1807
deploying most of the National Guard overseas
stationing an ACTIVE UNIT on US soilLike i said before, there'll be another election in 2016

[Buzz Dixon]

I'm not sure this is a good thing.

Are we saying that being in elective office for too long is a BAD thing?No, just that a politician has about 14 years to impress a majority (or at least a plurality) of voters that he/she is presidential timber, otherwise it's, "Yeah, he/she's a good senator/governor/cabinet member but..."

To paraphrase a line from PULP FICTION, if they're ever gonna make it, they'll make it in 14 years.

[BnL]

Wasilla holds sale on rape kits. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxCQpPCTjj8&e)

[suttercain]

Wasilla holds sale on rape kits. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxCQpPCTjj8&e)

I think this topic is what made my wife break away from the right this year. When she found out Palin had charged for these kits, she was done with the Republicans.

[BnL]

Man names baby "Sarah McCain Palin." Without his wife's knowledge, I might add. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-10-14-baby-politicalname_N.htm)

[Kyuubi]

Man names baby "Sarah McCain Palin." Without his wife's knowledge, I might add. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-10-14-baby-politicalname_N.htm)



The Daily Show had a great comment about this:


I'm paraphrasing
"The good news is they can pick up the name change form and the divorce papers at the same place."

[Bakasama]

I feel sorry for that child. I think there's more than few signs that she would want a name change when she's old enough.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think this topic is what made my wife break away from the right this year. When she found out Palin had charged for these kits, she was done with the Republicans.

Poor McCain...he was discussing in an interview about Palin. In it he remarks she's been good. Then in a moment where you can tell John gets a cold feeling....

"So do you think she's the future of the Republican party ?"

"Yes I mean in the future if she doesn't win VP now she...(makes a nightmare face as he realizes this dumb ass could be President in 2012 if she runs for office) uhh yeah .."

[Buzz Dixon]

I feel sorry for that child. I think there's more than few signs that she would want a name change when she's old enough.Nonesense! By the time she enters first grade nobody will remember who Sarah Palin was.

[the4thpip]

Points and laffs:

Arizona Leaning McCain »»» Toss Up

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

[KevinTBrown]

Points and laffs:

Arizona Leaning McCain »»» Toss Up

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Not sure if it actually is a toss-up, but the fact that McCain is down to only a 4 point lead is rather amazing.... Obama won't win the state, but he won't lose it by much.

[Lester C.]

I heard Roe Conn from WLS radio claim that Obama might not be an American citizen. Any legs to that rumor?

[the4thpip]

Not sure if it actually is a toss-up, but the fact that McCain is down to only a 4 point lead is rather amazing.... Obama won't win the state, but he won't lose it by much.

It's become a statistical toss up at RCP because the latest Research 2000 poll only has McCain 1 point ahead, not 4.

[the4thpip]

And yes, the polls are tightening so dramatically that Obama now has a lead of 179 in the electoral college projection - his biggest yet.

Obama 311 - McCain 132

[the4thpip]

I heard Roe Conn from WLS radio claim that Obama might not be an American citizen. Any legs to that rumor?

What do you think, Sherlock?

[Karl J Barnes]

I heard Roe Conn from WLS radio claim that Obama might not be an American citizen. Any legs to that rumor?

That they are still trotting out this lie,is not only a sign of desperation, but just plain stupidity.

[Royal]

McCain doesn't care about Tech. (http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/now-official-no.html)

There is apparently not a single prominent person who supports John McCain’s technology policies and is confident enough to go out there and debate in favor of them.

As readers of this blog know, after publishing the Wired Scorecard a couple weeks ago, I’ve been wrangling with the McCain campaign, trying to get someone to defend his tech record and platform in a debate. There are enough Obama surrogates to fill the Queen Mary and the first one I called, former FCC chair Reed Hundt, was eager and willing to find a time.

But finding a campaign surrogate for McCain was not easy.

[Buzz Dixon]

I heard Roe Conn from WLS radio claim that Obama might not be an American citizen. Any legs to that rumor?None. Common sense would derail it when you think about it. Why would a free spirited mom in racist 1961 America fake a birth certificate for her son? In the hopes he someday might become president of the US? Where would she get the resources to fly back and forth from Africa?

[Alex Scott]

Don't you know, Buzz? A Barack Obama presidency is apparently the result of a decades-old, radical left-wing/Islamic conspiracy to bring down the United States from within. Really, that's the only way these more whacked-out rumors could possibly work.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

None. Common sense would derail it when you think about it. Why would a free spirited mom in racist 1961 America fake a birth certificate for her son? In the hopes he someday might become president of the US? Where would she get the resources to fly back and forth from Africa?

Don't you know, Buzz? A Barack Obama presidency is apparently the result of a decades-old, radical left-wing/Islamic conspiracy to bring down the United States from within. Really, that's the only way these more whacked-out rumors could possibly work.

Obama is the "Anti-Christ" ya know. He's gonna lead us into ... THE DARK TIMES.

[FalconX2000]

Regarding the informercial...I got a little teary eyed at a couple of parts. Was really well done.

[Charles RB]

Wasilla holds sale on rape kits. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxCQpPCTjj8&e)

Brilliant. :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Regarding the informercial...I got a little teary eyed at a couple of parts. Was really well done.

Yep...it was. Getting a proffesional film crew who have done movies was a good touch by Obama. Its said the special was watched by over 26 million people. Quite a number to reach on that night.

[Alix Harrower]

Don't you know, Buzz? A Barack Obama presidency is apparently the result of a decades-old, radical left-wing/Islamic conspiracy to bring down the United States from within. Really, that's the only way these more whacked-out rumors could possibly work.

I'm waiting for someone to accuse him of being the Kwisatz Haderach.

[suttercain]

Don't you know, Buzz? A Barack Obama presidency is apparently the result of a decades-old, radical left-wing/Islamic conspiracy to bring down the United States from within. Really, that's the only way these more whacked-out rumors could possibly work.

Dennis Prager would agree but he would also find a way to through in secularists.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

That they are still trotting out this lie,is not only a sign of desperation, but just plain stupidity.

I know they won't, but I'd love for the Obama campaign to go on the offensive on the subject. McCain was born in Panama, after all--and I've seen nothing to prove it was on U.S. 'diplomatic' soil.

Besides 'palling around' with communists at the Hanoi Hilton for five years.

It would be a fun ad--"What do we really know about John McCain--?". With scenes of brainwashing sessions from the original Manchurian Candidate. Apropos, considering the Republican Party's circle jerk with China for the last 35 years.

I know.

I'm evil.

[Grazzt]

It's become a statistical toss up at RCP because the latest Research 2000 poll only has McCain 1 point ahead, not 4.

I thought 4 percent was a statistical toss up. I mean, Florida is leaning Obama by 3.5 points, and its still considered a toss up.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

John Cleese was on MSNBC Countdown last night and it was a funny show. In it he joked...

"John McCain spent years with Communists in North Korea. Ask John McCain why he was palling around with communists all those years!"

"Anyone can make these attack ads if you leave out enough of the truth."

It was a funny show...if you Monty Python fans watched...

[CutterMike]

For some reason, after watching the rape kit "commercial", I kept having a song running through my head:

"Palin don't 'llow no so-cialism round here!
No, Palin don't 'llow no so-cialism round here!
Well, we don't care what Palin don't allow;
(The yearly oil check's socialism, ANYHOW!)
But Palin don't 'llow no so-cialism round here!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

John Cleese was on MSNBC Countdown last night and it was a funny show. In it he joked...

"John McCain spent years with Communists in North Korea. Ask John McCain why he was palling around with communists all those years!"

"Anyone can make these attack ads if you leave out enough of the truth."

It was a funny show...if you Monty Python fans watched...

My telecom company doesn't have MSNBC, unfortunately. Equally annoying that John Cleese had the same idea as me--"Great Minds..." and all of that...:biggrin:

Of course, Cleese was partially responsible for distorting my young mind in the seventies. He even wrote my favorite joke--"What's black and white and red all over, and has trouble getting through a revolving door?".

[the4thpip]

I thought 4 percent was a statistical toss up. I mean, Florida is leaning Obama by 3.5 points, and its still considered a toss up.

The average of polls had been quite a bit higher than 4 percent until the 1% lead poll came out. The individual polls that showed a 5 or 4% lead for McCain considered the race a toss up already, but the RCP average did not.

Of course, there had not been a lot of Arizona polls because it was considered so safe for McCain nobody wanted to waste money on it. So the polls with bigger leads were quite old.

[PatrickG]

Obama is the "Anti-Christ" ya know. He's gonna lead us into ... THE DARK TIMES.

I thought the McCain insinuation was that Obama is the Anti-Christ AND he's incapable of leading.

Which strikes me as funny. If you think someone is the anti-Christ, there are a number of ways to attack them but I'd think that, by definition, the Anti-Christ would be one of the best leaders imaginable, from a secular POV.

It's like saying someone is possessed by evil spirits and then calling them boring.

One or the other, man.

If he's the Anti-Christ then he's probably the best possible president of the United States, pragmatically. If he's not a capable leader, he really can't be the Anti-Christ.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I thought the McCain insinuation was that Obama is the Anti-Christ AND he's incapable of leading.

Which strikes me as funny. If you think someone is the anti-Christ, there are a number of ways to attack them but I'd think that, by definition, the Anti-Christ would be one of the best leaders imaginable, from a secular POV.

It's like saying someone is possessed by evil spirits and then calling them boring.

One or the other, man.

If he's the Anti-Christ then he's probably the best possible president of the United States, pragmatically. If he's not a capable leader, he really can't be the Anti-Christ.


Why do you seem surprised?

They´ve tried to stick him with the muslim-who-follows-the-preachings-of-a-christian-radical-priest label. :rolleyes:

[Buzz Dixon]

It's like saying someone is possessed by evil spirits and then calling them boring.Have you ever talked to an evil spirit? All they ever wanna talk about is desecrating communion wafers...

[Buzz Dixon]

Why do you seem surprised?

They´ve tried to stick him with the muslim-who-follows-the-preachings-of-a-christian-radical-priest label. :rolleyes:You're forgetting to fit in Marxist-radical-terrorist somewhere.

[Nick Soapdish]

And yes, the polls are tightening so dramatically that Obama now has a lead of 179 in the electoral college projection - his biggest yet.

Obama 311 - McCain 132

But there are 95 that are considered toss-ups and over half of those go to McCain (mostly because they came from what were originally McCain leans ... and before that solid McCain).

The real projection by RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10) is 353 to 185. Missouri just flipped back to McCain, but it's a razor-edge thin margin there.

I thought 4 percent was a statistical toss up. I mean, Florida is leaning Obama by 3.5 points, and its still considered a toss up.

It is technically. It's close to the margin of error for most polls. But when it's a lot of polls, that margin of error should be considered lower since it's been verified (sorta, since it's the average of a bunch of polls) and when it's this close to the polling date, any lead is hard to make up and

I'm tickled that it's technically become a toss-up and a state that McCain needs to worry about, but I don't think that there's a real chance that Obama takes it. 538 (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/) gives Obama a 4% chance of winning Arizona and that sounds about right to me.

[bert]

don't miss this story that "broke" (ie: was leaked by someone who is "a Federal Law Enforcement Official")

Obama's Aunt is in this country Illegally!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/obama.aunt/index.html

wanna take bets Republicans are involved in this so called "leak" ?

[Buzz Dixon]

don't miss this story that "broke" (ie: was leaked by someone who is "a Federal Law Enforcement Official")

Obama's Aunt is in this country Illegally!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/obama.aunt/index.html

wanna take bets Republicans are involved in this so called "leak" ?Does the pope wear a watertight hat in the woods?

[JamesRitcheyIII]

You're forgetting to fit in Marxist-radical-terrorist somewhere.

What is it with the Far-Right labeling black guys who seek social justice as Commies? MLK? Commie--because he met with socialist party leaders (and anyone else interested in social justice) while trying to organize his part in the civil rights movement. Mandela? The wingnuts call him a Commie still, despite being an hereditary descendant of the Bantu Royalty, who disagreed often with the ANC--and having no ties ever to Communism.

Far Right Code Word of the Day? Socialist=Uppity Black Guy. :biggrin:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

don't miss this story that "broke" (ie: was leaked by someone who is "a Federal Law Enforcement Official")

Obama's Aunt is in this country Illegally!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/obama.aunt/index.html

wanna take bets Republicans are involved in this so called "leak" ?

I doubt it will really impact the election. No one will likely care his aunt is an illegal alien.....

[kingdom2000]

Did you know we are at war with Iran already? At least according to Palin and what the first 100 days of a McCain presidency would be like (video (http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3174372&referralPlaylistId=df5603c3d11ca9a023b0070cfc5f297 e279fd3a7)):

Palin: Ok, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday so from there, those first 100 days, how we're going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars...

Greta on fox news skipped right over that comment instead moving the conversation to attacking a Dem (gee isn't she a good reporter). Talk about stupid. Even though Bush and Cheney made it very clear they were going to attack Iraq no matter what they had enough sense to just infer it, not outright state it.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Has anyone here tried to debate politics on the Hannity board?

http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
http://forums.hannity.com

How well has that venture gone?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;7824734']Has anyone here tried to debate politics on the Hannity board?

http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
http://forums.hannity.com

How well has that venture gone?

It looks funny....I admit I am tempted to post "Why Barack Knows He's Gonna Win This ...."

I do love this thread....

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1078361

Obama knows he is losing! I base this upon listening to Obama since his "infomerical". Obama has changed the tone of his speeches back to what his initial tone was. He is getting back to talking of "Yes we can" "Change we need". Also listening to other issues suchas now he is back to saying $250,000 under get tax cut, money for college, health care, and his typical BS talking points. Obama knows he is slipping in the polls and its own internal polling that he is using. Obama himself knows that Nov 4th is going to be a late night and that his perceived landslide is gone. Obama himself is know actin as the underdog.


Just my 2cents and observations. Oh and BTW still have not heard the chant USA, USA at an Obama rally only hear that stupid "Yes we can".

I suppose this dude missed the past 2 weeks where Obama said himself he wasn't gonna slack down and told everyone to run hard til the end.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

It looks funny....I admit I am tempted to post "Why Barack Knows He's Gonna Win This ...."

I do love this thread....

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1078361



I suppose this dude missed the past 2 weeks where Obama said himself he wasn't gonna slack down and told everyone to run hard til the end.

It's kind of funny how they're doing the whole "guilt by association" thing, but then create BS arguments to discount Palin and McCain's associates.

It seems there are few there who actually do know what they are talking about (such as the reason why the tax system is in place or the actually definition to the word "socialism") and call people out on their BS.

[KevinTBrown]

don't miss this story that "broke" (ie: was leaked by someone who is "a Federal Law Enforcement Official")

Obama's Aunt is in this country Illegally!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/obama.aunt/index.html

wanna take bets Republicans are involved in this so called "leak" ?

I doubt it will really impact the election. No one will likely care his aunt is an illegal alien.....

And ICE is investigating the leak now: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/ICE_investigating_leak.html

[Charles RB]

Mandela? The wingnuts call him a Commie still, despite being an hereditary descendant of the Bantu Royalty, who disagreed often with the ANC--and having no ties ever to Communism.

As I recall, the ANC did have ties to the Communist Party because the Communists were opposed to apartheid.

Which could make Mandela a Commie, as well as Churchill and Roosevelt...

BTW still have not heard the chant USA, USA at an Obama rally

Shit, then he MUST hate his country. Damning stuff, not mindlessly chanting the name of a place.

[Infra-Man]

Sarah Palin gets a prank phone call from Quebec DJs pretending to be Nicolas Sarkozy. Hilarity and failarity ensues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

That's about six minutes of embarrassing gullibility right there. And remember, she's a heartbeat away from the red phone.

Heckuva pick, Johnny
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/facepalm-300x259.jpg

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Sarah Palin gets a prank phone call from Quebec DJs pretending to be Nicolas Sarkozy. Hilarity and failarity ensues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

That's about six minutes of embarrassing gullibility right there. And remember, she's a heartbeat away from the red phone.

Heckuva pick, Johnny
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/facepalm-300x259.jpg

Ha ha ha ha....dear lord. That poor sad woman....I actually pity her now more than John McCain. I mean...we know McCain was fucking insane when he picked her. But...her....wow.

[KevinTBrown]

Sarah Palin gets a prank phone call from Quebec DJs pretending to be Nicolas Sarkozy. Hilarity and failarity ensues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc

That's about six minutes of embarrassing gullibility right there. And remember, she's a heartbeat away from the red phone.

Heckuva pick, Johnny
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/facepalm-300x259.jpg

The mumble-stumble in the end is what's the most hilarious....... (MSNBC aired this a short while ago)

[Sentinel]

The current Yahoo! stats show Obama at 50.4% with 333 electoral votes and McSame at 43.6% with 181 electoral votes.

Indiana. Missouri and North Carolina are viewed as current battleground states with the first two leaning slightly towards McSame and NC leaning slightly towards President Obama.

I am also encouraged that McSame appears to have lost another percentage point to Bob Barr in Georgia, bringing that contest to McSame 49% and Obama 46%. This puts Georgia in the margin of error.

[Kyuubi]

A little biased there, aren'tcha?

[mattx110]

A little biased there, aren'tcha?
He's a robot! They have no bias!

Die mutie scum!

[Sentinel]

A little biased there, aren'tcha?

Who is Jon Galt?

Don't worry. I understand Fox "News" called the election for McCain today.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Bill Clinton came to WV today and spoke to a huge crowd. Many on the local news claimed that Clinton's way of looking at them , one on one and telling them that Barack Obama is a good man and he is the one to help you...made them actually change their vote for him ! Several say they were leaning McCain but after seeing Clinton do a great sell job on Obama say they are on the fence.

One old man made me smile...


"Bill Clinton was a great man...we had huge success under him and no wars to speak of. If he says Obama is as good and can help...well...it makes me really be leaning middle now. I wasn't til I heard Clinton speak so highly of Barack Obama."


And most of its white people....that said this. Makes it better.:smile:

[Sentinel]

Bill Clinton came to WV today and spoke to a huge crowd. Many on the local news claimed that Clinton's way of looking at them , one on one and telling them that Barack Obama is a good man and he is the one to help you...made them actually change their vote for him ! Several say they were leaning McCain but after seeing Clinton do a great sell job on Obama say they are on the fence.

One old man made me smile...


"Bill Clinton was a great man...we had huge success under him and no wars to speak of. If he says Obama is as good and can help...well...it makes me really be leaning middle now. I wasn't til I heard Clinton speak so highly of Barack Obama."


And most of its white people....that said this. Makes it better.:smile:

Every time I see Bill Clinton speak it reminds me of what it was like to have a president that we could all be proud of.

[Spike-X]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;7824734']Has anyone here tried to debate politics on the Hannity board?

http://forums.hannity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
http://forums.hannity.com

How well has that venture gone?

I would, but I'm too busy punching myself in the testicles instead.

Just as productive, and a lot less painful.

[Charles RB]

Sarah Palin gets a prank phone call from Quebec DJs pretending to be Nicolas Sarkozy. Hilarity and failarity ensues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc


Oh my god. :biggrin:

[FalconX2000]

But there are 95 that are considered toss-ups and over half of those go to McCain (mostly because they came from what were originally McCain leans ... and before that solid McCain).

The real projection by RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10) is 353 to 185. Missouri just flipped back to McCain, but it's a razor-edge thin margin there.

I've never liked Missouri. It sounds too much like misery.

[AllisterH]

Every time I see Bill Clinton speak it reminds me of what it was like to have a president that we could all be proud of.

Personally, I think Bill Clinton must get a small smile whenever people talk about Bush Jr.

To put it bluntly, has a sitting president EVER made a previous president look so good?

I don't even think Nixon made LBJ look so good to the American public as Bush has made Clinton look.

Seriously, when people voted Bush in, wasn't one of the reasons being "Bush will restore honor to the white house!!!!"

My goodness, we now have people shouting

"When Clinton lied, nobody died!!!" and they are completely serious.

Poll question for the masses.

Who do you think will be savaged more by historians, Nixon or Bush Jr.?

[Sentinel]

Personally, I think Bill Clinton must get a small smile whenever people talk about Bush Jr.

To put it bluntly, has a sitting president EVER made a previous president look so good?

I don't even think Nixon made LBJ look so good to the American public as Bush has made Clinton look.

Seriously, when people voted Bush in, wasn't one of the reasons being "Bush will restore honor to the white house!!!!"

My goodness, we now have people shouting

"When Clinton lied, nobody died!!!" and they are completely serious.

Poll question for the masses.

Who do you think will be savaged more by historians, Nixon or Bush Jr.?

Nixon is already starting to be forgiven by history. people are looking more at his foreign policy accomplishments than for Watergate.

With Bush Jr, he currently stands as the worst president in American history. Whether he retains that title will depend ultimately on how Iraq plays out, or if Sarah Palin makes it to the White House.

[Major Comma]

Just curious ,
how did Fox News "call" the election for McCain ?
In what context did they do this ?

[Kyuubi]

Who is Jon Galt?

Don't worry. I understand Fox "News" called the election for McCain today.



No clue.


By the way, I'm an Obama supporter who has donated to his campaign. I just find calling Obama President before the election is a little too much. Sorry if I offended.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wow.....that SNL Skit was revealing. If you want a sign on how piss poor the relationship between Sarah Palin & John McCain is....look at that opening. Not only did McCain look like he mocked his own choice of Palin....you watched Fey act like Palin was going rogue turning on John....

Tonight Ben Affleck is supposed to do Keith Olbermann in a sketch. (its on....and its awesome...)

[rick]

Here is a good example of someone taking the election just a bit too seriously...

Happy Halloween (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkBE0lWeYU)

[LtMarvel]

I've never liked Missouri. It sounds too much like misery.
Well, we are going to see if governor candidate Jay Nixon-D has coattails for Obama.

It doesn't look like any Republican is going to win a statewide office in MO. Their Secretary of State candidate is a McDonald's manager in a small city. (I've eaten there multiple times and now understand why the TVs are always on Faux News Channel). He didn't even respond to St. Louis Post-Dispatch's questions for their voter guide.

[Sentinel]

Just curious ,
how did Fox News "call" the election for McCain ?
In what context did they do this ?

Actually, that's Fox "News". I was just kidding, but Fox is working overtime to help McCain get elected. Neil Cavuto is even working on Sunday with a special edition of "Your World" in a last ditch effort to help McCain before Tuesday.

[Michael P]

I've never liked Missouri. It sounds too much like misery.

If you'd ever been there, you'd know why that's appropriate.

[CutterMike]

Yet another radic-lib pinko-socialist rag has endorsed Obama.

Who knew that The Economist (http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=12511171) magazine were all commie muslim terrorists...?

[kingdom2000]

Ha ha ha ha....dear lord. That poor sad woman....I actually pity her now more than John McCain. I mean...we know McCain was fucking insane when he picked her. But...her....wow.

I thought the prank was cute. There is no telling how many heads of state calls she has been getting so "tricking" her or even Obama would be pretty easy. I mean whats the alternative go "prove your so-so!" before handing the phone over?

It is just too bad that Palin hasn't figured out how to take a moment and spin it (that would require quick thinking and we know she can't do that) and a sense of humor. That could have become a good moment to endear herself to listeners but she missed the chance. McCain on SNL is a good example of how to do it right. I don't like the man but his skits were great and exactly how you send yourself up. She should have laughed and then just started chatting with the hosts. Turn it into an impromtu interview for a minute or two and then go.

The part I found my amusing was the beginning where she was commenting on proper phone protocol. What the timing is on when to get on the phone. After all a l"eader" shouldn't speak to the help right?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I thought the prank was cute. There is no telling how many heads of state calls she has been getting so "tricking" her or even Obama would be pretty easy. I mean whats the alternative go "prove your so-so!" before handing the phone over?

It is just too bad that Palin hasn't figured out how to take a moment and spin it (that would require quick thinking and we know she can't do that) and a sense of humor. That could have become a good moment to endear herself to listeners but she missed the chance. McCain on SNL is a good example of how to do it right. I don't like the man but his skits were great and exactly how you send yourself up. She should have laughed and then just started chatting with the hosts. Turn it into an impromtu interview for a minute or two and then go.

The part I found my amusing was the beginning where she was commenting on proper phone protocol. What the timing is on when to get on the phone. After all a l"eader" shouldn't speak to the help right?


I actually think Obama has a good way of knowing the heads of state...and has his men who look at the numbers and knows the voices. And yes...Palin could have spinned it all into a funny situation and got in on the joke. "You guys fooled me ...you gotta get John..."

Had she actually helped them ...Palin would have been seen as someone a lot cooler. And since thats really remote...well ...as you said she should have answered some questions. But unlike a Barack Obama who keeps his cool under every situation....Palin can't.

[Nick Soapdish]

By the way, I'm an Obama supporter who has donated to his campaign. I just find calling Obama President before the election is a little too much. Sorry if I offended.

Exactly. It's looking very likely, but that's exactly why we shouldn't think that it's in the bag and why I'm glad that Obama is keeping up the pressure.

I'm also glad that he's already been making plans for what he would do if he becomes president. McCain hasn't done much work on his cabinet because he apparently feels that it's cocky. But that makes me kinda nervous since it only gives him a couple months to put together his staff. That's about the same amount of time that a football coach at a major college spends putting together a new staff. I'm thinking that the presidency ought to take a bit more planning.

Here is a good example of someone taking the election just a bit too seriously...

Happy Halloween (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkBE0lWeYU)

Good plan.

McCain isn't expected to be getting much support from the under ten segment of the voting population and this has got to be as good of a way as any to get more votes out of them.

[Suzanne]

don't miss this story that "broke" (ie: was leaked by someone who is "a Federal Law Enforcement Official")

Obama's Aunt is in this country Illegally!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/01/obama.aunt/index.html

wanna take bets Republicans are involved in this so called "leak" ?This is just more shit they're throwing on the wall. Given the dire straits this country's in, I don't think it'll stick.

[FalconX2000]

Personally, I think Bill Clinton must get a small smile whenever people talk about Bush Jr.

To put it bluntly, has a sitting president EVER made a previous president look so good?

I don't even think Nixon made LBJ look so good to the American public as Bush has made Clinton look.

Seriously, when people voted Bush in, wasn't one of the reasons being "Bush will restore honor to the white house!!!!"

My goodness, we now have people shouting

"When Clinton lied, nobody died!!!" and they are completely serious.

Poll question for the masses.

Who do you think will be savaged more by historians, Nixon or Bush Jr.?

Nixon actually isn't as reviled as he used to be. Especially by historians. He did some good things. If he hadn't been so blatantly, ruthlessly immoral, his ranking would probably be close to Eisenhower's.

[Darrell D.]

Nixon is already starting to be forgiven by history. people are looking more at his foreign policy accomplishments than for Watergate.


The Republicans are trying really, really hard to retcon Watergate, to use a comic book term.
The revisionist history that paints Nixon as some great President and statesman makes me sick.

[Lester C.]

The SNL move was a good move on John's part. He may have softened SNL's devastating effect on his campaign. He may have also convinced some people that he’s not an angry grumpy bitter old man which is a lot of people's impression of him.

[AllisterH]

The Republicans are trying really, really hard to retcon Watergate, to use a comic book term.
The revisionist history that paints Nixon as some great President and statesman makes me sick.

From what I understand, this isn't hard.

His foreign and domestic policies seem to be very well admired by people both liberal and conservative.

[the4thpip]

And ICE is investigating the leak now: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/ICE_investigating_leak.html

Politico is calling her his "haulf-aunt"?

As opposed to an aunt who would be related to him on both his father's and his mother's side? That only happens in Alabama!

[Arrogantcur]

It didn't occur to me to ask this question until the other day: how does McCain expect to win over undecideds by repeatedly insulting liberals?

Not all undecideds hate liberals. Some of them might be liberal, and not appreciate the disdain towards liberals exhibited by McCain and Palin any more than I appreciate it.

Also, when he talks about how bad liberals are (as opposed to merely confining himself to talking about how bad the opposing ticket is), how can he say with a straight face that he'll be able to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats? Most of whom qualify as, you know, liberal. Russ Feingold is pretty liberal. Does McCain hate him now? Is Feingold indifferent to the crap McCain has been spewing all these months? If I were Russ Feingold, I'd never want to work with this guy on anything ever again.

[rick]

From what I understand, this isn't hard.

His foreign and domestic policies seem to be very well admired by people both liberal and conservative.


You mean Vietnam and Kent State right?

[rick]

double post

[CutterMike]

Opening relations with China was good; I'll give Nixon that. A Democratic president wouldn't have been able to get away with it, as he would have been seen as "soft on Communism". An old Red-Baiter like Nixon was really the only sort that could be allowed to do it.

After that... Well, there's a reason that I walk my dog outside to "take a Nixon".

[JeffreyWKramer]

From what I understand, this isn't hard.

His foreign and domestic policies seem to be very well admired by people both liberal and conservative.


And lots of mob guys give money to charity.

Yes, Nixon was brilliant with foreign policy, save that regarding Vietnam. He had an excellent understanding of diplomacy.

That doesn't change the fact that he man was dishonest through and through.

And his domestic policy? Watergate was emblematic of Nixon's domestic policy.

[Darrell D.]

You mean Vietnam and Kent State right?
I'll give him OSHA, the EPA and SSI, but the secret bombing of Cambodia, the pardons of Jimmy Hoffa and Angelo DeCarlo,and, of course, Watergate, sour these achievements. And it's quite perplexing how conservatives who cry about smaller government actually admire him; Nixon's administration was all about bigger government.

[CutterMike]

(...)
And it's quite perplexing how conservatives who cry about smaller government actually admire him; Nixon's administration was all about bigger government.Well, it's OUR big government, dom'tcha see? It's big government that gives unfettered investigative power to the DoJ and labels any dissenter a communist.

That's the Right kind of big government!

[Stressfactor]

Politico is calling her his "haulf-aunt"?

As opposed to an aunt who would be related to him on both his father's and his mother's side? That only happens in Alabama!

Well, it may be a case that Aunt in question was only a half-sister to Obama's father and if she was a half sister then that would really make her a half-aunt.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And lots of mob guys give money to charity.

Yes, Nixon was brilliant with foreign policy, save that regarding Vietnam. He had an excellent understanding of diplomacy.

That doesn't change the fact that he man was dishonest through and through.

And his domestic policy? Watergate was emblematic of Nixon's domestic policy.

The funniest thing I ever saw was a VH1 Movie about when Elvis met Nixon. At the time Nixon's approval numbers were down due to Vietnam and he needed a lift. And one adviser came to him and said ... "Sir.....the King is on his way here."

Elvis was on tour and thought...fuck it...I'm gonna drop in on Richard Nixon. So he sent a telegram ahead or had Tom Parker call.

Nixon at 1st had no idea what "King" but they explain who Elvis was. At 1st Nixon was like...do I really need to open the White House doors for some huge Rock singer. But his advisers all told him people loved Elvis Presley and it could help.

Course when Elvis gave him a pair of guns as a gift...Nixon was caught off guard. No gift for "The King" ? So he made Elvis an honory DEA Agent.:tongue:

[PatrickG]

The funniest thing I ever saw was a VH1 Movie about when Elvis met Nixon. At the time Nixon's approval numbers were down due to Vietnam and he needed a lift. And one adviser came to him and said ... "Sir.....the King is on his way here."

Elvis was on tour and thought...fuck it...I'm gonna drop in on Richard Nixon. So he sent a telegram ahead or had Tom Parker call.

Nixon at 1st had no idea what "King" but they explain who Elvis was. At 1st Nixon was like...do I really need to open the White House doors for some huge Rock singer. But his advisers all told him people loved Elvis Presley and it could help.

Course when Elvis gave him a pair of guns as a gift...Nixon was caught off guard. No gift for "The King" ? So he made Elvis an honory DEA Agent.:tongue:

that's not quite how I remember the story going down.

From what i remember, Nixon ate up the idea of an Elvis visit and Elvis scared his handlers by disappearing and going to Nixon, in hopes of becoming a REAL DEA agent.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

that's not quite how I remember the story going down.

From what i remember, Nixon ate up the idea of an Elvis visit and Elvis scared his handlers by disappearing and going to Nixon, in hopes of becoming a REAL DEA agent.

I think were both right and wrong..... Elvis actually according to this website sent a telegrahm to Nixon saying he wanted a Federal Position since he was scared of the Beatles influence on drugs and hippies. He also cited the Black Panthers (His handlers must have went along since Elvis rented 3 rooms in a motel and waited to meet him)

You were right on the whole Elvis wanting to be a special agent at large. And his handlers had to go along with him as Elvis took a special photo op with Nixon and spoke to him awhile...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aaelvisa.htm

[Berserk]

CBC Reports on Canadians For Obama. (A good case for making Canada part of the U.S.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnOY7KTA8E

[ShaunN]

CBC Reports on Canadians For Obama. (A good case for making Canada part of the U.S.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnOY7KTA8E

Dear Berserk,

Thanks for posting this, but I fail to see how this makes a "good case for making Canada part of the US". Anyway, if that's an offer, thanks but no thanks. Like most people around the world, Canadians are interested in the American election because Obama is such a compelling figure and because the US has so completely screwed itself (and much of the world) under George Bush for the past 8 years. Canadians just happen to be close enough to the US to actually try and influence the outcome of the election - something that many other people in the world would do, if they had the geographical proximity. But the vast majority of Canadians don't want to be Americans. As the poll at the end showed, 81% of Canadians think the outcome of the election matters to Canada, but 56% don't feel that it affects them personally.

I kind of feel the same way. I'll be terribly disappointed if Obama doesn't win. A McCain presidency will simply accelerate the American decline and do so in as painful a way as possible (painful to Americans and the rest of the world). But we in Canada will survive and at least will not have to live under a McCain government. Of course, living under our present Conservative government isn't great, but that bunch is restrained by the fact that it has a minority government and the reality that most Canadians don't support it and it has shown no signs of growth. If the Conservatives don't radically alter their policies and move to the left, they will be gone by the next election.

The one thing I don't like: I wish the CBC would call it's election coverage "The United States Votes" not "America Votes". "America" is the whole continent, from the North to the South, not just the parcel of land to our South.

Sincerely,

Shaun

[Berserk]

Dear Berserk,

Thanks for posting this, but I fail to see how this makes a "good case for making Canada part of the US". Anyway, if that's an offer, thanks but no thanks. Like most people around the world, Canadians are interested in the American election because Obama is such a compelling figure and because the US has so completely screwed itself (and much of the world) under George Bush for the past 8 years. Canadians just happen to be close enough to the US to actually try and influence the outcome of the election - something that many other people in the world would do, if they had the geographical proximity. But the vast majority of Canadians don't want to be Americans. As the poll at the end showed, 81% of Canadians think the outcome of the election matters to Canada, but 56% don't feel that it affects them personally.

I kind of feel the same way. I'll be terribly disappointed if Obama doesn't win. A McCain presidency will simply accelerate the American decline and do so in as painful a way as possible (painful to Americans and the rest of the world). But we in Canada will survive and at least will not have to live under a McCain government. Of course, living under our present Conservative government isn't great, but that bunch is restrained by the fact that it has a minority government and the reality that most Canadians don't support it and it has shown no signs of growth. If the Conservatives don't radically alter their policies and move to the left, they will be gone by the next election.



What I meant was that Canadians are on average smarter than Americans if 60% of them favor Obama. So, if we added Canada to the U.S., we'd have a lot more Democrats and that would give us a majority over the Republicans. Also, it helps that Canadians are very similar to Americans; similar language and culture, not to mention also the close proximity. If the U.S. needed to merge with another nation, I'd want it to be Canada, of course.

The one thing I don't like: I wish the CBC would call it's election coverage "The United States Votes" not "America Votes". "America" is the whole continent, from the North to the South, not just the parcel of land to our South.

Sincerely,

Shaun



Well, it's difficult to have to keep saying, The United States all the time. Besides, everyone in the world knows us as Americans, since no other country both in North and South America has the word America in their name; we're the only ones. So, while technically Canadians are also Americans, it's not the same thing as people in the U.S. being called Americans since the name of our country is The United States of America; and we're called Americans for short, whereas the word Canadians is already short and easy to say.

[Buzz Dixon]

You mean Vietnam and Kent State right?He ended the Vietnam war. And Kent State was the result of a handful of National Guard soldiers getting ticked off and firing into a crowd of protesters, triggering a volley of shots by the rest of the unit. If the entire unit had been trying to kill people there would have been hundreds dead, instead most of them shot over the heads of the protesters.

[Buzz Dixon]

Opening relations with China was good; I'll give Nixon that. A Democratic president wouldn't have been able to get away with it, as he would have been seen as "soft on Communism". An old Red-Baiter like Nixon was really the only sort that could be allowed to do it."Only Nixon could go to China." -- Old Vulcan saying

[CutterMike]

He ended the Vietnam war.
(...)As I recall, there was only one real difference between Nixon's plan for "Peace With Honor", as he called it, and McGovern's plan that Nixon and the Republican party referred to as "Running Out On Our Ally".

Nixon's plan called for the U.S. to be out two months before McGovern's did.

The Republican penchant for lying about the opposition hasn't changed much in nearly 40 years.

[BnL]

If McCain Wins All Toss-Ups, He Still Loses. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWdcUbfW_e8&e)

[JKCarrier]

So he made Elvis an honory DEA Agent.:tongue:

Elvis was a narc
In rhinestones after dark.
He did his best to keep Memphis drug-free.
He knew every pill he'd eat
Would be one less on the street.
Elvis took 'em all for you and me...

[Buzz Dixon]

http://thisfuckingelection.com/

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUifdn-jaak

[OzBat!]

http://thisfuckingelection.com/

THAT is sheer fuckin' brilliance.

[Tobias March]

"Only Nixon could go to China." -- Old Vulcan saying

God bless Leonard Nimoy for his delivery of that line :biggrin:

[Sally Sensational]

"Only Nixon could go to China." -- Old Vulcan saying

I was just surprised it took that long into a discussion of Nixon for that to come up!

[the4thpip]

The Esquire endorsement is in!

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/11/02/nader_video/nader.jpg

Oh wait, that magazine is as old as I am. :redface:

[Adam C]

Poet and rapper Saul Williams had an interesting statement on voting on Obama in the form of a letter called "An Open Letter To History". (http://obeygiant.com/voteforchange/saul-williams/) Here is the text of the letter that he sent over his mail list:

Dear History,
For too long have I pondered your meaning, memorized dates of battles, years of servitude, decades of injustice, named eras after movements, mourned the extinction of species, cursed founding fathers, worn vintage suits and cloaked myself with references of your hold on me.

I have walked through museums wondering how it is that greatness had lived and died all before my time. Parts of me feared becoming great because it seemed to include a price of death and a postmortem glory that my memory could never resurrect. I've stared at paintings dying to catch glimpses of the painter, closed my eyes to listen to songs that drunken ghosts dance to, and all the while I've fought to FREE the present to BECOME.

In 1995, I stood with poets in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge, barking metaphors at the new moon of the summer solstice wedging words into it's craters, sewing seeds through nightly wind.

In 1996, I forced the ocean back with words, fathered planets, climbed pyramids, and began to decipher the sirens song to conjure the dream-filled Children of the Night.

In 1997, I stood with prisoners in our nations capitol bending bars with the power of thought as wordsmiths served sentences and Hip Hop diddy-dandified itself: stealing golden calves from the Old Testament to smuggle into the lavish crib of Pontius Pilate for it's birthday party

In 1998, I swallowed fear and sun-danced on film reels, projecting a me that had not been into a me that ever shall be.

And HERE I stand, ten years the difference and witness to changing hands.

Dear History,
I beat you. I stand a generator of generations bearing witness to a world that we are holding accountable for past actions. Me and my friends, we're changing our diets, re-inventing marriage, check-mating capitalism, re-defining ethics, replacing cruelty with compassion, and have sworn not to re-elect the sins of the father.

We are casting our votes for so much more than a lesser of evils, but for change, and greater insight, for wisdom out of the mouths of babes, for races that bleed into ONE.

Dear History,
You are behind us and we are no longer looking back. We are standing on the threshold of new times, new days, new worlds, and charging forward without battle cry or trumpet, while cynicism, apathy, and cowardice take their place beside you, behind us.

Dear History,
We no longer believe in you. We have invested our our thoughts and dreams into the present moment and opportunity to shift our reality into one that does not resemble your dog-eared books.

We stand on the shoulders of those who have dared to dream and on the necks of those who have wasted their time and ours proclaiming a past past its prime.

Dear History,
Blitz! It's my turn now. You can have your mounds of flesh, leather boots, cannons and sabers, nooses and guillotines, warships and fighter planes, trails of tears and blood, genocides, dungeons and dragons, ghost stories and fairy tales..........l


I'm not sure I can add much right now honestly.

[Kevinroc]

Gallup's final election poll between Obama and McCain.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/Final-Presidential-Estimate-Obama-55-McCain-44.aspx


Final Presidential Estimate: Obama 55%, McCain 44%
Independents break for Obama, boosting Obama’s broad Democratic base

[Kevinroc]

(Double post.)

[the4thpip]

The tightening polls are turning this into a real nail biter:

PRINCETON, NJ -- The final Gallup 2008 pre-election poll -- based on Oct. 31-Nov. 2 Gallup Poll Daily tracking -- shows Barack Obama with a 53% to 42% advantage over John McCain among likely voters. When undecided voters are allocated proportionately to the two candidates to better approximate the actual vote, the estimate becomes 55% for Obama to 44% for McCain.

The trend data clearly show Obama ending the campaign with an upward movement in support, with eight to 11 percentage point leads among likely voters in Gallup's last four reports of data extending back to Oct. 28. Obama's final leads among both registered voters and likely voters are the largest of the campaign.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/Final-Presidential-Estimate-Obama-55-McCain-44.aspx

[KevinTBrown]

Gallup's final election poll between Obama and McCain.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/Final-Presidential-Estimate-Obama-55-McCain-44.aspx

OOoooooo... deja vu.

The tightening polls are turning this into a real nail biter:



http://www.gallup.com/poll/111703/Final-Presidential-Estimate-Obama-55-McCain-44.aspx

:biggrin:

[Infra-Man]

There's stupid, and then there's Palin-grade stupid.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/02/MNTL13SU6S.DTL

Palin suggests Chronicle withheld Obama remarks
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in a campaign appearance Sunday, criticized comments about coal technology that Sen. Barack Obama made to The Chronicle editorial board in January, and suggested that the newspaper withheld the information from the public - even though the interview has been posted on the newspaper's Web site since it was given.

At a rally in Ohio, Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, used the taped remarks to attack Obama's energy policy.

"Barack Obama explained his plan to The San Francisco Chronicle this year," she said. "And he said that, sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says. But they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry.

"You gotta listen to the tape," she continued. "Why is this audio tape just now surfacing?"

Voices in the crowd could be heard shouting, "Liberal media!"

"This interview was given many months ago," Palin told the audience. "You should have known about this."

The Republican National Committee also sent out blog reports pushing the notion of a "hidden" Obama videotape withheld by The Chronicle.

Obama sat with The Chronicle editorial board Jan. 17 for the interview, and it has been available in its entirety on the newspaper's Web site since it took place in San Francisco during the Democratic primary season. In his wide-ranging session with the paper, the Democratic senator from Illinois spoke about his energy plan and an "aggressive" cap-and-trade policy, and spoke about coal technology.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them, because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," he said. In the same interview, the senator said that "if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."

On Sunday, Obama's campaign said his comments were taken out of context by Palin, and that Obama called the notion of eliminating coal plants entirely "an illusion."

John Diaz, editor of The Chronicle's editorial pages, said the paper not only posted the entire audio and video of the Obama interview, but promoted it to readers.

"How can anyone suggest that we hid an interview that we did, immediately put up on the Web - and advertised to our readers?" said Diaz. "We promoted it like hell ... and I'm sure the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign scrubbed it. You can still find the whole 48 minutes and 33 seconds online."

Seriously, does she even realize how dense and ignorant people think she is and that she has done nothing in the last two months to prove otherwise?

[the4thpip]

In my defense, this thread is eating posts again and I did not see the last couple of posts here. Now it says InfraMan posted last, but I don't see his, either...

[KevinTBrown]

Not that this is a surprise, but the numbers aren't adding up for McCain (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081103/us_time/electoralmathformccainthenumbersarentaddingup).

[Infra-Man]

So tomorrow I'm going to go out and get free stuff for voting.

Tally so far:
Free doughnut from Krispy Kreme
Free coffee from Starbucks
Free ice cream from Ben and Jerry's
Free masturbation sleeve from Babeland

...whoa, wait, what??!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27455136/

[Sean Walsh]

The Esquire endorsement is in!

Oh wait, that magazine is as old as I am. :redface:

It's probably as relevant now as those 2 men are today. :tongue:

[Tetsuo_man]

You know how Buzz has been making the case taht Obama is the true conservative in this race? Well another person trying to make that point is a former Reagan speechwriter. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-31/obama-is-the-true-conservative/

[AllisterH]

Reading the Palin-prank call feedback, I'm wondering just how BAD her staff is.

Think about it for a moment.

Shouldnt the staff have checked the call BEFORE handing her the phone? Obama's response was "I'm glad my staff checks out my calls first".

Isn't it her staff that picks out the clothing? (I read her reaction to that, and here, I honestly don't think Palin KNEW how expensive the clothing budget was)

Half of Palin's fault lie with her, but at least 25% of the blame lies with her boneheaded staff. Are they purposely trying to screw her over:confused:

[Infra-Man]

Reading the Palin-prank call feedback, I'm wondering just how BAD her staff is.

Think about it for a moment.

Shouldnt the staff have checked the call BEFORE handing her the phone? Obama's response was "I'm glad my staff checks out my calls first".

Isn't it her staff that picks out the clothing? (I read her reaction to that, and here, I honestly don't think Palin KNEW how expensive the clothing budget was)

Half of Palin's fault lie with her, but at least 25% of the blame lies with her boneheaded staff. Are they purposely trying to screw her over:confused:

It's probably more like 75% fault of the staff, 25% fault on Palin (for falling for it; she's 100% responsible for her gullible, gollyshucks demeanor on the phone).

The fact that staffers can fall for that (and that they can't tell the difference between a French accent and a French Canadian accent) is embarrassing. Bunch of chowderheads, and strangely they get paid well for what they do.

[Berserk]

I can't believe the election is tomorrow. The past two years of this crazy and exciting campaign are finally coming to a close tomorrow. Hopefully, Obama's crowds and support in the polls translates into votes. If he loses, I will be pissed off.

[Corrina]

The cardinal sin in America is not to be evil or divisive or just plan stupid.

No, the cardinal sin is to be a *loser.*

The Republicans are losing the war in two places. They're losing the economy. They're losing on every front that matters to voters.

It's been my gut feeling for months that unless Obama turned out to look like the bogeyman, he'd win the election.

And instead of looking like the bogeyman, he looks cool, collected, smart and inspiring. I think he would have won (if not by much) if he'd been half-way interesting and people trusted him.

Now?

I think it'll be a landslide.

He's just so damn organized on the local level. His local offices know exactly what they're doing, his rallies have had people take lists of four people each to take home with them and call--because four people isn't a large number and he knows it won't intimidate people.

More than being inspiring, he's built and extremely competent organization from the bottom up. And they'll get the vote out, despite problems that will arise.

[Evan Waters]

It looks good for him, but I'm too superstitious to say I think he'll win. Knock on wood, give the devil his due, etc.

Still, he has run a fine campaign, and an inspiring one. As much as his optimism gets spoofed, it's something the country desperately needs. We need to believe we can make things better if we're ever going to do so.

[AllisterH]

It's probably more like 75% fault of the staff, 25% fault on Palin (for falling for it; she's 100% responsible for her gullible, gollyshucks demeanor on the phone).

The fact that staffers can fall for that (and that they can't tell the difference between a French accent and a French Canadian accent) is embarrassing. Bunch of chowderheads, and strangely they get paid well for what they do.

Er, I'm Canadian and unless you regularly hear French accents, how the hell would you know the difference?

I would recognize the Quebecois speech pattern, but I certainly can't tell the difference between a non-native French speaker and someone native to France.

[KevinTBrown]

Some more good has come from this year's election: Bush to remain out of sight until after the election! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_on_el_pr/bush_election#full)


:biggrin:

[Infra-Man]

Er, I'm Canadian and unless you regularly hear French accents, how the hell would you know the difference?

I would recognize the Quebecois speech pattern, but I certainly can't tell the difference between a non-native French speaker and someone native to France.

True, might be my own thing, I guess, from watching a lot of French movies and noticing the differences between French accents and French Canadian accents in interviews, radio reports, and whatnot.

For me, listening to a French speaker speak English and a French Canadian speaker speak English is like tasting the difference between ginger ale and Sprite. Might vary for others.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Early voting seems to indicate that youth is already slacking.

Procrastinating f%&$rs....

[Nick Soapdish]

Er, I'm Canadian and unless you regularly hear French accents, how the hell would you know the difference?

I would recognize the Quebecois speech pattern, but I certainly can't tell the difference between a non-native French speaker and someone native to France.

I thought the difference was between a French accent and an obviously fake French accent. The DJs sounded like they were trying to mimic the accent from Clousseau (Peter Sellers, of course). It wasn't quite as bad as the French knights in Monty Python, but it still sounded pretty ridiculous.

I'll admit that I have very little experience talking to French people (most of that in Paris) and none with French Canadians. But the accent didn't sound anything like what I'd heard from the former.

Early voting seems to indicate that youth is already slacking.

Procrastinating f%&$rs....

Let's hear it for consistency!

I don't know about anywhere else, but we had a bunch of college students march down to the early voting precinct after a rally and basically overwhelm it. But I've heard that we've had long lines at all the early voting places in Leon County anyway.

[Royal]

The hell is wrong with you people!

Go outside, turn three times and curse!!

GO!!!!

[Stressfactor]

Early voting seems to indicate that youth is already slacking.

Procrastinating f%&$rs....
Yeah, but early voting has long been promoted as geared toward the elderly and those who work 9 to 5 jobs with the (mistaken) idea that if they opened things up for early voting then the lines wouldn't be so long and it would make it easier for those groups... i.e. old people wouldn't have to stand in line with their arthritis and pre-knee replacement crappy knees and 9 to 5-ers could swoop in early, vote quick and still make it to their jobs without the employers having to give up that pesky 'up-to-3-hours-off-with-pay-allowed-in-order-to-vote'.

Obviously SOMEthing backfired big-time with that. Also, not all states allow early voting.

I'm in a state that doesn't allow early voting. I'm in a battleground state (Missouri) so you can bet your sweet bippy I'ma gonna vote but I'm NOT looking forward to waiting in the inevitable lines.... think I'll bring a book... wonder how people would react if I brought Machiavelli's "The Prince" to read while waiting in line.:biggrin:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Yeah, but early voting has long been promoted as geared toward the elderly and those who work 9 to 5 jobs with the (mistaken) idea that if they opened things up for early voting then the lines wouldn't be so long and it would make it easier for those groups... i.e. old people wouldn't have to stand in line with their arthritis and pre-knee replacement crappy knees and 9 to 5-ers could swoop in early, vote quick and still make it to their jobs without the employers having to give up that pesky 'up-to-3-hours-off-with-pay-allowed-in-order-to-vote'.

Obviously SOMEthing backfired big-time with that. Also, not all states allow early voting.

I'm in a state that doesn't allow early voting. I'm in a battleground state (Missouri) so you can bet your sweet bippy I'ma gonna vote but I'm NOT looking forward to waiting in the inevitable lines.... think I'll bring a book... wonder how people would react if I brought Machiavelli's "The Prince" to read while waiting in line.:biggrin:

I think it would be cool if you (a couple thousand yous ^_^) brought a guitar or those little drums, maybe light up the mood and turn the thing into a party.

Turn voting into a festive tradition!

[Royal]

Early voting seems to indicate that youth is already slacking.

Procrastinating f%&$rs....

Not every state has early voting.

Over here in Michigan, everyone and the gods have to wait to vote tomorrow.

[Alexx1]

Man, I was really hoping she'd get to see him win this election.

http://www.cnn.com/

[Michael P]

Man, I was really hoping she'd get to see him win this election.

http://www.cnn.com/

The media will eat this up.

[Alexx1]

The media will eat this up.

You mean in a positive way for Obama or no?

[Michael P]

You mean in a positive way for Obama or no?

I mean in the same general way they like suturing maudlin narrative cliches onto news stories.

[Kevinroc]

I mean in the same general way they like suturing maudlin narrative cliches onto news stories.

It's really sad how true that is. Obama's grandmother was a human being who is being reduced to narrative cliche in this crazy election cycle.

[AllisterH]

It's really sad how true that is. Obama's grandmother was a human being who is being reduced to narrative cliche in this crazy election cycle.

Um, but it's true. Obama has at times gotten the messanic/superhero tag and this serves as the "perfect" angle to it.

Tell me this wouldn't make a bittersweet ending to your typical Lifetime movie?

Oliver Stone makes "Hussein" and you better believe he's going to use this angle.

[CutterMike]

I mean in the same general way they like suturing maudlin narrative cliches onto news stories.Is anyone else thinking "Solomon allowed to see the Promised Land, but not to enter it"?

[Kevinroc]

Um, but it's true. Obama has at times gotten the messanic/superhero tag and this serves as the "perfect" angle to it.

Tell me this wouldn't make a bittersweet ending to your typical Lifetime movie?

Oliver Stone makes "Hussein" and you better believe he's going to use this angle.

I understand that but I just think it is sad that we are looking at the loss of a real human life in such terms.

[Michael P]

Is anyone else thinking "Solomon allowed to see the Promised Land, but not to enter it"?

I doubt it, since that was Moses.

[Buzz Dixon]

Is anyone else thinking "Solomon allowed to see the Promised Land, but not to enter it"?No.










































Because it was Moses.

[Stressfactor]

The hell is wrong with you people!

Go outside, turn three times and curse!!

GO!!!!
You forgot the "and spit" part.:biggrin:

[Berserk]

Cancer sucks big time. I just lost an aunt to cancer. My heart goes out to Obama and his family.

[KevinTBrown]

Man, I was really hoping she'd get to see him win this election.

http://www.cnn.com/

More on that: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_grandmother


My deepest condolences to the Obama family.







On a more "selfish note", this is going to really hamstring the McCain campaign in its attacks against Obama. He can stop out of respect, and he loses big; or he continues and looks like a fucking prick, and loses BIG.

[KevinTBrown]

My prediction of what states Obama wins:

California (55)
Colorado (9)
Connecticut (7)
Delaware (3)
Florida (27)
Hawaii (4)
Illinois (21)
Iowa (7)
Maine (4)
Maryland (10)
Massachusetts (12)
Michigan (17)
Minnesota (10)
Montana (3)
Nevada (5)
New Hampshire (4)
New Jersey (15)
New Mexico (5)
New York (31)
Ohio (20)
Oregon (7)
Pennsylvania (21)
Rhode Island (4)
Vermont (3)
Virginia (13)
Washington (11)
Washington DC (3)
Wisconsin (10)

An electoral total of 341.

What say the rest of you...?

[Buzz Dixon]

On a more "selfish note", this is going to really hamstring the McCain campaign in its attacks against Obama. He can stop out of respect, and he loses big; or he continues and looks like a fucking prick, and loses BIG.I think it's immaterial at this point.

[CutterMike]

I doubt it, since that was Moses.Duh.

My oops.

[BnL]

Well, that didn't take long. Apparently the GOP is already trying to capitalize on the death of Obama's grandmother. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/3/141032/949/825/651082)

[CutterMike]

No.
(...)
Because it was Moses.
And, y'know... it didn't sound right as I was typing it, but I was taking a short break from an annoying project at work and just went on autopilot because I had to get back to it.

Let that be a lesson for you, Kids: WORK DESTROYS BRAIN CELLS!!!

[Samurai]

Palin cleared of "Troopergate" by the panel and special prosecutor who are supposed to handle it, instead of her political enemies' kangaroo court from a while back.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/577323.html

New Troopergate report clears Palin

By LISA DEMER | ldemer@adn.com

Published: November 3rd, 2008 03:46 PM
Last Modified: November 3rd, 2008 03:50 PM

A new report just released -- hours before the polls open on Election Day -- exonerates Gov. Sarah Palin in the Troopergate controversy.

The report, released at a Monday afternoon press conference at the Hotel Captain Cook, presents the findings and recommendations of Anchorage lawyer Timothy Petumenos, hired as independent counsel for the Personnel Board to examine several complaints against Palin.

Petumenos wrote the Legislature's special counsel, former state prosecutor Steve Branchflower, used the wrong state law as the basis for his conclusions and also misconstrued the evidence.

His findings and recommendations include:

- There is no cause to believe Palin violated the state ethics law in deciding to dismiss Monegan as public safety commissioner.

- There is no cause to believe Palin violated the state ethics law in connection with Wooten.

- There is no cause to believe any other state official violated the ethics act.

- There's no basis to conduct a hearing to "address reputational harm," as requested by Monegan.

[rick]

Palin cleared of "Troopergate" by the panel and special prosecutor who are supposed to handle it, instead of her political enemies' kangaroo court from a while back.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/577323.html


It's a little hard to take this all that seriously, especially when you figure that the original investigation was bi-partisan with a majority of Republicans on the investigative panel.

Still, enjoy the fantasy.

So, are you looking as forward to tomorrow as I am?

[Samurai]

It's a little hard to take this all that seriously, especially when you figure that the original investigation was bi-partisan with a majority of Republicans on the investigative panel.

Still, enjoy the fantasy.

So, are you looking as forward to tomorrow as I am?

If McCain wins, yes I am.

And this non-partisan panel and special investigator are the ones who are actually in charge of investigating these matters, the Legislature is not. Plus Branchflower was a complete tool and patsy to Hollis French, who promised when the investigation started that he'd guarantee an "October Surprise" for Obama. As for "bi-partisan", remember that Palin went after the corrupt Republicans in Alaska and took down several of them as a whistleblower. She has as many Republican foes as Democrat ones up there.

[BnL]

And this non-partisan panel and special investigator are the ones who are actually in charge of investigating these matters, the Legislature is not. Plus Branchflower was a complete tool and patsy to Hollis French, who promised when the investigation started that he'd guarantee an "October Surprise" for Obama.

The ethics probe was scheduled before Palin was even put on the ticket.

As for "bi-partisan", remember that Palin went after the corrupt Republicans in Alaska and took down several of them as a whistleblower. She has as many Republican foes as Democrat ones up there.

She used many of her Republican colleagues to ascend to power, then deserted or turned on them when she got what she wanted out of them.

[rick]

If McCain wins, yes I am.

And this non-partisan panel and special investigator are the ones who are actually in charge of investigating these matters, the Legislature is not. Plus Branchflower was a complete tool and patsy to Hollis French, who promised when the investigation started that he'd guarantee an "October Surprise" for Obama. As for "bi-partisan", remember that Palin went after the corrupt Republicans in Alaska and took down several of them as a whistleblower. She has as many Republican foes as Democrat ones up there.


Yes, we should trust the panel that was appointed by Gov Palin over the bi-partisan committee that even Palin supported right up to the very moment she became the Vice-Presidential candidate.

That makes perfect sense.

Like I said, I am looking forward to tomorrow.

Still, for the record I actually believe that while Obama is going to curb stomp McCain in the electoral vote, I suspect that the popular vote is going to be much closer than anyone is expecting.

[CutterMike]

...Because, apparently, the Republicans can never get enough of a bad idea: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5062890.ece

[kingdom2000]

I am very pessimistic about voter turnout. When its all said and done I just don't have faith in people standing in line, dealing with the weather etc and blowing it off in numbers that will cost Obama leads in many states. Everyone is saying he is going to win and many idiots will shrug and say "good, now I don't have to take off from work." Republicans know better and will turn up regardless.

So based on my lack of faith in people in general, I think that Obama will barely win most of his leaning states and will lost most of the toss up states. The result will be a 306-232 for Obama. A win but not a blow out. I think he will keep CO, NM, PA, and MN but lose NV. Of the toss ups, OH and VA will go his way but the rest will go McCain. And for giggles, the popular vote will be 51.4-46.6 Obama

I really really hope I am wrong, especially in Georgia where I want that horses ass Chambliss to lose decisivily. The man is scum.

Whats the prize for guessing the electorial college correctly anyway?

[Michael P]

...Because, apparently, the Republicans can never get enough of a bad idea: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5062890.ece

Gotta love that "Ayers's handpicked protege" bit. One could see this as a nice peek into how some conservatives think of blacks in America.

[rick]

Well, that didn't take long. Apparently the GOP is already trying to capitalize on the death of Obama's grandmother. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/3/141032/949/825/651082)


Loathesome and not at all surprising.

[Major Comma]

I am looking forward to tomorrow NO MATTER WHO WINS.
People are going to vote in record numbers tomorrow.
Its a great day for Democracy and America.

[rick]

I am very pessimistic about voter turnout. When its all said and done I just don't have faith in people standing in line, dealing with the weather etc and blowing it off in numbers that will cost Obama leads in many states. Everyone is saying he is going to win and many idiots will shrug and say "good, now I don't have to take off from work." Republicans know better and will turn up regardless.



I don't know about that.

Look how many people across the country have been willing to stand in long lines for early voting.

I suspect that regardless of the results, we are going to see a massive voter turnout.

[Kusanagi]

It helps that there's going to be good to great weather through much of the nation.