2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega thread

[the4thpip]

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Ya hear that people?! You send your kid to Harvard, he'll lose his American citizenship. You know all that stuff about America being the land of the free, freedom to worship, freedom to be left alone, freedom of speech...those things? Forget them. In America you don't have the freedom to be smart.

It's an odd headline, but the article is actually quite critical of McCain and Palin dividing the country into "real Americans" and .... whatever the rest would be.

George Washington warned in his farewell address in 1796 that people should "guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism," and in the 1850s the Know-Nothing movement, angered at a wave of largely Irish Catholic immigration, said the influx threatened the American way. Democrats, the Know-Nothings charged, were too cozy with aliens.

More recently, much of the "real American" talk has highlighted regional differences, some of it stoked by a 1961comment by Barry Goldwater, the godfather of the modern conservative movement.

"Sometimes I think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the Eastern Seaboard and let it float out to sea," said the Arizona senator, whose seat McCain now holds.

That comment, and subsequent political rhetoric, "helped feed the idea that the coasts are in the vanguard of a new global economy and tend to be socially liberal, unlike the heartland," said Heineman.

For the McCain campaign, appeals to heartland democracy have an immediate purpose: He needs to rev up voters in conservative, small town and rural.

Palin backed off her comments, but McCain last week said that western Pennsylvania "is the most patriotic, most God-loving, most patriotic part of America."

His supporters are spreading the same message. Nancy Pfotenhauer, a McCain adviser, said that the "real Virginia" would respond better to McCain's message than would northern Virginia, which she said was now "more Democratic."
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/742718.html

[EMeadow]

Y'all thought I was kidding?



http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/26/arizona_poll/index.html

The Arizona Republic only endorsed him Sunday????????

You'd think they'd be the FIRST paper to do so, not the last.

I wonder how close the vote is actually going to be out here on election night. That should be interesting.

Good thing I'm mailing out my early ballot today

[the4thpip]

The Arizona Republic only endorsed him Sunday????????

You'd think they'd be the FIRST paper to do so, not the last.

I wonder how close the vote is actually going to be out here on election night. That should be interesting.

Good thing I'm mailing out my early ballot today

Well, the Anchorage newspaper decided to endorse Obama. Why do they hate women? :wink:


Meanwhile: An overview of reported e-voting problems in early voting:
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2008/10/27/early_voting/

[Lester C.]

I think whoever wins the election we can all agree that Obama run a much better campaign than McCain.

[KevinTBrown]

I think whoever wins the election we can all agree that Obama run a much better campaign than McCain.

Hell, Hillary ran a much better campaign.

[FalconX2000]

It's an odd headline, but the article is actually quite critical of McCain and Palin dividing the country into "real Americans" and .... whatever the rest would be.


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/742718.html

I know. I read it too. It's just that the title put what I find to be a rather stupid sentiment into a simple set of words.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think whoever wins the election we can all agree that Obama run a much better campaign than McCain.

Hell.... a talking chimp could run a better campaign than what McCain did. And hell the chimp wouldn't sell himself out to get into office as bad as John did. I wonder if he'll take a long bath to get scummy feeling off himself Nov. 5th ?

[KevinTBrown]

Just how "gracious" will McCain be in defeat...?

[KevinTBrown]

By the way, Obama leads in 5 of 7 key states. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081027/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Just how "gracious" will McCain be in defeat...?

I think it hurts him a lot though. McCain has showed he feels the Presidency was his right finally. And some young punk swooped in and won. I say he'll be gracious and hell...he's already slowly tried telling his supporters Obama is a good man . Bracing them for it.

[Alexx1]

Obama gets endorsement from NASCAR's most prominent driver. I'm sure this endorsement won't convert many in the NASCAR world but given the climate and culture I think this is a pretty significiant and brave endorsement on Johnson's part and just goes to show how Obama's been able to attract a wide range of support, including many who've never voted for a Democratic canidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7620893

Join me in supporting Barack My family and I have given this election a lot of thought.

Our country is in a rough spot, and we're going to need some serious change. There's only one candidate ready to deliver it -- and that's Barack Obama.

Every day I talk to someone else who's never voted for a Democrat, but now they're voting for Barack Obama. They realize that Barack understands what we're going through here in North Carolina. And they're ready for change.

So I've made up my mind, and I'm ready to get involved. I know that I could never have won a race without my pit crew, and I know Barack can't win this one without us.

Can you sign up to volunteer this last crucial week?

When I talk to folks about why I support Barack, I just tell it like I see it.

There's been a lot thrown at him this election, and he's stayed calm, positive, and focused. I know a little something about how important it is to stay cool under pressure.

And with all the dangers in our world today, that's the kind of rock-solid leadership our country needs.

These days, I run a small country ham and pork skins business. Barack Obama will fight for a fair economy where small businesses like mine have the freedom to grow, and he'll defend the Second Amendment to protect the hunter's way of life.

But the most important reasons I'm speaking out for Barack Obama are named Robert and Meredith, my two children. My wife Lisa and I talked it over, and honestly, we know in our gut that their future is more secure if Barack Obama is president.

At the end of the day, there's just nothing more important than that.

That's why I'm going to talk to my neighbors this week, and I'm asking you to do the same. This election in North Carolina is going to be one of the closest ever, and we all need to lend a hand.

Join me by volunteering this week:

http://nc.barackobama.com/NC100kHours

I've been in a lot of races in my life. But this may be the most important one of all. So let's all get in gear and win it together.

Yours,

Junior Johnson

P.S. -- I know what it means to run an aggressive race, but I also know what it means to compete with integrity. Have you gotten one of these pre-recorded calls that are flooding our state smearing Barack Obama's character and questioning his patriotism? That's crossing the line, and North Carolinians deserve better. Help fight back by canvassing this week to tell your neighbors the truth about Barack:

[4PointOh]

McCain huffs and puffs on Meet the Press this morning as the classic MtP zig zag hits him in the ass:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27387444#27387444

I'm not voting for the guy, but still--that was painful to watch.

[Infra-Man]

I think whoever wins the election we can all agree that Obama run a much better campaign than McCain.

Yeah, regardless of how you feel about Obama's policies, he's had a single, consistent message throughout and you never heard anything about infighting or strategist drama in his camp. Lots of discipline, always on message.

[KevinTBrown]

Oh, look, a new robocall (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081027/pl_politico/14975) from the GOP......

:rolleyes:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

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I voted early--for Barack Obama!!!

Anybody else?

[C-Cool]

Discipline: the opposite of the African-American stereotype perpetuated from the media today.

That's one of the keys to Obama's campaign success thus far.

If anything else, I truly commend him for his self discipline through everything that tried to derail him, especially the "Joe the Plumber" desperation ploy from McCain.

I still got respect for the man, and that's something I don't say about politicians.

If he loses, it stays that way. But some of his outspoken detractors lose respect from me.

If he wins, he gets tested for real. But some of his outspoken detractors (Rush, Bachmman, Guilliani, racist supporters, Palin herself) and supporters (namely Al Sharpton, the Nation of Islam, racist supporters, and Jesse Jackson. But Jesse Jackson Jr. gets more respect from me for going against his father's outspoken screw-ups.) lose respect from me.

If Biden gets the presidency by way of harsh circumstances, we get tested big time. A lot of hurt feelings, and Biden's never been that good of a leading individual (in a presidential scale). He would have to step up, but I envision him doing what Johnson did when Kennedy died (crying away from everyone, because he never wanted to be president so early). It will be a terrible trial for our nation. I would get worried. It would seriously be up to Biden, and in these harsh times, I just don't know if he will be enough. It's bad enough with the candidates we have.

McCain... if he wins, he gets tested for real, and so do we. But a lot of his outspoken supporters lose respect from me.

If he loses, his campaign team gets NO respect, but he still does. Even with his departure from his old position, he's still McCain.

If Palin gets the presidency by way of harsh circumstances, the world gets tested BIG TIME! That's when we all worry about how America's going to make it in 4 years. Or 2 years. Or 1. That's going to be a perfect storm: Hard feelings about Obama losing, McCain falling to harsh circumstances, our current situation, and THE worst case scenario president, Palin.

Now a lot of people say "Oh I'm leaving if they win", and I won't do that. But my passport will be renewed, and I'm moving near an airport that goes international. Our future would be a "bridge to nowhere".

Unless... she does, with currently character shown, the unthinkable, and actually lead us like Bush did during the 9/11 time (and, while it was a horribly misguided lead, someone did lead us for crying out loud).

I'm up for miracles, but right now, we need a sure solution, or something that won't lead us to a worst case scenario. I can't see that too much, so respect must be important to me.

Respect is earned.

She, no matter what she is, what she represents, without all the political and politically correct stuff in our world, hasn't earned my complete respect yet.

Or, from most of these polls, most of anyone's.

In that time, she would have to, for America's sake.

Besides all the scenario picking I've done, political discipline is very important in gaining respect from voters. Obama has shown it.

Thank you.

[Charles RB]

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I voted early--for Barack Obama!!!

Anybody else?

I know someone stateside who postal-voted for Obama and against Prop8.

[the4thpip]

Ha-hah:
Arizona Solid McCain »»» Leaning McCain

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

[FalconX2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27400686#27400795

Free beer anyone?:biggrin:

[Karl J Barnes]

Yes, I voted earlier today for Obama, against electing judges and support of an 1/8th sales tax for science research...and did my laundry and changed the oil out of my car.....I need a nap.

[Arrogantcur]

Okay, this worries me. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081026/pl_politico/14951)

“I guarantee you that two weeks from now, you will see this has been a very close race, and I believe that I'm going to win it,” McCain told interim "Meet" moderator Tom Brokaw. “We're going to do well in this campaign, my friend. We're going to win it, and it's going to be tight, and we're going to be up late.”

It reminds me of some footage of Bush I first saw in Fahrenheit 9/11, when he told a reporter before the election that he was definitely going to win Florida. And we all know how that turned out....

EDIT: Just went back and saw that KevinTBrown already mentioned this. Sorry about that.

[AllisterH]

I'm curious about something....How come robocalling seems to be backfiring on McCain?

Many attribute his loss in 2000 to Bush in the primaries to robocalling so how come all of a sudden it doesn't seem to work? What made robocalling so effective in 2000 but now an actual handicap in 2008?

[Stressfactor]

I'm curious about something....How come robocalling seems to be backfiring on McCain?

Many attribute his loss in 2000 to Bush in the primaries to robocalling so how come all of a sudden it doesn't seem to work? What made robocalling so effective in 2000 but now an actual handicap in 2008?
I don't think it's so much the robocalling as it is the SUBJECT of the robocalling...

They have been almost universally negative and the American people really ARE tired of that shit.

The mud slinging and name calling has gotten worse and worse and worse over the last several decades and we are now nearing the kinds of attacks seen in 1828 with the campaign between Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams... wherein Jackson's wife was called an "adulteress" and Jackson was accused of being a murderer.

People really DON'T want to hear "My opponent is evil -- vote for me!" They want to hear what the candidate is going to do for them NOW.

They are also, perhaps, unintentionally, slamming people. Several months back I kept getting McCain robocalls with the "Hi, I'm __________ from ___________ and I'm a wife and mother." My irritated response was "good for you sweetie but I'M NOT!" As a single woman who has worked hard to be taken seriously it gets my knickers in a knot when, once again, campaigns play to stupid ass stereotypes -- women who are wives and mothers are 'good' but women who are single mothers or career women are not. Women who are wives and mothers are considered "representative" of "ordinary America" but single, career women or single mothers are not.

[king mob]

The Guardian has a truely bizarre and scary piece & short film (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/oct/27/barack-obama-muslim-antichrist)at it's website today.

Sometimes the most revealing insights strike at the most unexpected moments, jolting you out of the reality you thought you were in and transporting you somewhere else entirely. For instance, when reporting a story on the political differences between Barack Obama and John McCain over ethanol as an alternative fuel, you don't expect to be confronted with details of a plot by the devil to take over the White House.

I had hopped on to the GuardianFilms bus as it made its way across the US. We were joining forces to make a film about the ethanol issue, which has earned Obama the criticism of environmentalists because of his support for the controversial corn-based variety of the fuel that has helped to drive up world food prices.

We stopped at an ethanol plant in Craig, Missouri, where we were greeted by the general manager, Roger Hill, and shown around the plant. He said something odd early on in our tour, responding to the news that I was British by commenting on how Muslims had become dominant in my country. I only half heard his remark, and let it go; we were here to talk about ethanol.

Later though, he brought up the subject again, when I suggested to him that as an ethanol manufacturer he must logically back Obama over McCain, who has openly criticised federal subsidies of the fuel. That's when he invoked Revelations, chapter 13. If you lack instant recall of the contents of Revelations 13, as I have to admit I did, it's the bit in the Bible where the beast rears his ugly head, or rather many heads, and reveals the mark on his right hand or forehead: 666.

Yes, Hill was likening Obama to the devil, with Revelations 13 as the proof. Which gave me pause. I've heard many, many people tell me that Obama is a Muslim, but I'd never quite heard him compared to Satan.

Back at the hotel we looked into it, and were surprised to find that the Obama-as-devil conspiracy theory is rife on the internet. Tap in Obama and Revelations 13 into Google and 904,000 entries come up. This is insidious stuff. And it jumps out at you when you least expect it. Even in an ethanol plant in the Great Plains.


A quick Google does confirm the 'Obama is the Antichrist' nonsense & clicking on a few links will take you into an incredibly fucked up world of wrong.

[the4thpip]

Okay, this worries me. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081026/pl_politico/14951)



It reminds me of some footage of Bush I first saw in Fahrenheit 9/11, when he told a reporter before the election that he was definitely going to win Florida. And we all know how that turned out....

EDIT: Just went back and saw that KevinTBrown already mentioned this. Sorry about that.

I get no respect, damnit! I posted that (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7788510&postcount=9714) a full day or so before Kevin. Waaaaah!!

:wink:

[the4thpip]

Sen. Ted Stevens guilty on all counts

The jury in the corruption trial of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) came back Monday afternoon with a verdict that could well send Stevens' career down the tubes. Stevens was found guilty on all seven of the charges he faced, felonies relating to false statements he made on Senate financial disclosure forms on which he failed to report some $250,000 in gifts.

Stevens reportedly faces up to five years in prison on each of the counts, but the AP says he "will likely receive much less prison time, if any."

Though he's the longest-serving Republican in the Senate, Stevens may not be part of that body for much longer. He's facing a tough Democratic challenger, Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich, this year, and recent polling has generally shown Begich holding on to a slim lead. If Stevens is re-elected despite the conviction, it would be up to the Senate to decide whether or not to let him remain in his seat.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?source=refresh

[C-Cool]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?source=refresh

Doomed.

Bye-bye, Stevens

[KevinTBrown]

I get no respect, damnit! I posted that (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7788510&postcount=9714) a full day or so before Kevin. Waaaaah!!

:wink:

I bow down to the earliness that is the great(ish) Pip!!!!



:tongue:

[KevinTBrown]

The feds busted up a skinhead plot to assasinate Obama less than a week ago: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

[Briareos]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

[Michael P]

The feds busted up a skinhead plot to assasinate Obama less than a week ago: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

I'm eternally grateful that most of the people like this are too stupid to avoid capture by the police.

[Typo Lad]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php
So we should blame the data mining done of Obama by Federal employees on the McCain campaign?

Remember that?

Stupid people are stupid, and still get to vote. Don't blame the people they're voting for.

[EdContradictory]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

Are a real person or a feed from paranoid right wing blogs?

One week. One week and your "movement" gets set back a generation. Enjoy.

[Typo Lad]

I'm eternally grateful that most of the people like this are too stupid to avoid capture by the police.
Wait, by Bri's logic, can't we blame McCain for this?

[Michael P]

Wait, by Bri's logic, can't we blame McCain for this?

Only if these guys were planning to vote for McCain. Which, it looks like, they weren't.

At a guess, I would say the likely culprit, should they have been planning to vote at all, would have been Chuck Baldwin.

[Paul McEnery]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

More crazy right wingers whining?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?source=refresh

Doomed.

Bye-bye, Stevens

Gonna miss seeing him get mocked on the Daily Show. But hell...so many of the Republican senators have been busted over the years....ya lose count.

The feds busted up a skinhead plot to assasinate Obama less than a week ago: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

Damn sad....but we all kinda knew some of society has years to go before their ready to move into todays world.

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

More crazy right wingers whining?

Pretty much....

[KevinTBrown]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

More crazy right wingers whining?

Bri's just unhappy that his co-horts got caught is all...

[Michael P]

Bri's just unhappy that his co-horts got caught is all...

Not funny.

[KevinTBrown]

Not funny.

Not intended to be.

[glue]

What has Bri said that makes you think he wishes death on Obama?

[Spike-X]

Bri's just unhappy that his co-horts got caught is all...
Steady on.

[KevinTBrown]

What has Bri said that makes you think he wishes death on Obama?

Missed this thread he started, did we...?

Obama is anti-semite (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=243075)


:rolleyes:





It's gone way past just blind republican devotion.

[glue]

Missed this thread he started, did we...?

Obama is anti-semite (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=243075)


:rolleyes:





It's gone way past just blind republican devotion.

I read that thread. Nothing in that said to me that he wishes death on Obama or that he is a bigot. It made it clear he didn't know what he's talking about.

Edited for rudeness.

[Buzz Dixon]

Hell, Hillary ran a much better campaign.Ron Paul ran a much better campaign.

[Buzz Dixon]

I'm curious about something....How come robocalling seems to be backfiring on McCain?

Many attribute his loss in 2000 to Bush in the primaries to robocalling so how come all of a sudden it doesn't seem to work? What made robocalling so effective in 2000 but now an actual handicap in 2008?The telephonic landscape changed drastically since 2000. People don't realize the Federal "Do Not Call" list exempts politicians are they're P.O.ed and having their evening peace interrupted.

[KevinTBrown]

The telephonic landscape changed drastically since 2000. People don't realize the Federal "Do Not Call" list exempts politicians are they're P.O.ed and having their evening peace interrupted.

Which is why I love caller ID. If it's not a number I recognize or it comes up as blocked in some way, it goes directly to voicemail.

[Buzz Dixon]

One week and your "movement" gets set back a generation.No, one week and his movement is consigned to the ash bin of history. There's probably gonna be a bloodbath in the GOP to determine where it goes after 2008; I don't think the people who led them into this debacle are going to be allowed to keep their hands on the tiller (or in the till, for that matter...).

Sidebar: Back in 1999/2000 I predicted to several people that the republicans and Democrats were going to switch polarity in the near future, that the Dems would be seen as the socially/politically conservative party and the GOP as the firebrands. Obama is the first sign of that change taking place. I think the GOP will have to re-invent themselves as a radical iconoclasts.

[KevinTBrown]

I know I've mentioned this site before, but FiveThirtyEight.com has some great statistical analysis. Look at the current analysis on the polls: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/today%27s%20polls

One thing to remember, this is just analyzing the polls, not the actual polls. They're determing the percentage, or odds, of who wins what state.

By the way, overall, Obama has a 96.7% chance of winning. :biggrin:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ron Paul ran a much better campaign.

His campaign has never ended ... THE REVOLUTION will not be stopped so quick according to Ron Paul !:tongue:

[FalconX2000]

Here's what we can look forward to if Obama is elected president and anyone dares criticize him:

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/10/government_data_accessed_in_ca.php

OMG! It's the rightwingnews! Literally!:biggrin: lol. Look man, even here I haven't seen anyone trot out the democratic underground.

I take it for granted that anything you say is wrong, but if you wanna put some credibility behind you at least try the Wall Street Journal.

[Black Vespa]

His campaign has never ended ... THE REVOLUTION will not be stopped so quick according to Ron Paul !:tongue:

http://seekeronos.blogsome.com/images/Baldwin2008.jpg

[Spike-X]

Now that is a cool banner.

I disagree with his positions, but it's a damn cool banner.

[Black Vespa]

Now that is a cool banner.

I disagree with his positions, but it's a damn cool banner.

agreed..great banner.

he has a lot of positions. which ones do you disagree with?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I only thought about this a moment ago and I have a reason to be worried about this Obama fellow.

What if he does win?

Think of all those black kids who grew up with gangsta rappers as their rolemodels.
They are gonna be SO cheated!

Next thing you know, there´s gonna be a whole new generation of kids growing up thinking that if they study hard, they too can be US presidents....

[Spike-X]

agreed..great banner.

he has a lot of positions. which ones do you disagree with?
All of them.*




Not that it matters - I'm not a US citizen.






* Okay, not all. But most.

[Spike-X]

I do agree with him re: Iraq.

[Nick Soapdish]

McCain huffs and puffs on Meet the Press this morning as the classic MtP zig zag hits him in the ass:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27387444#27387444

The oddest thing about that segment was the intro when they showed the map of the US with what was presumably battleground states in yellow. All of the usual suspects ... and Texas?!

Can you blame the republicans for getting snookered by Obama's nomination.

Seriously, prior to the democratic nomination cycle, what percentage of voters actually knew about the difference between a caucus and a primary?

The other problem and this is where I think gets ignored. MCCain at one pt was tied/slight lead with Obama up to when Shrub announced the credit crisis.

From that point on, it was downhill and this was where McCain lost votes not just because of his erratic behaviour but aso because people just want the Republicans gone....

That was also right after the convention bounce and while there was a lot of enthusiasm about Palin. (There still is a lot of enthusiasm about Palin, but it seems to be just among the base and not keeping the independents anymore.) So a slide wasn't unexpected even before the economic crisis. And the Palin bounce would've turned into a slump anyway.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27400686#27400795

Free beer anyone?:biggrin:

Or free Ben & Jerry's (http://www.benjerry.com/features/i_voted/)?

[FalconX2000]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:

[the4thpip]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:

Maybe he will check into rehab?

[Deathstroke]

Sadly I have yet to see anything from either candidate that would make me want to vote for them.

Of course the point is moot anyway, Obama locked up the win a while back. And now that there's a stopped plot involving devolved genetic fuck ups, it's even more assured.

The two candidates broken down:

McCain - A dying old man searching and grasping for one last shot at the brass ring.

Obama - Oprah Winfrey if she had a penis.

[KevinTBrown]

Sadly I have yet to see anything from either candidate that would make me want to vote for them.

Of course the point is moot anyway, Obama locked up the win a while back. And now that there's a stopped plot involving devolved genetic fuck ups, it's even more assured.

The two candidates broken down:

McCain - A dying old man searching and grasping for one last shot at the brass ring.

Obama - Oprah Winfrey if she had a penis.

Not even close...... :rolleyes:

Such statements as those just prove people have not been paying attention and that they're barely listening to the "talking points". At this point in the campaign there is NO excuse to not have a better idea of each candidate, unless you just don't give a shit. And if you don't, then you get what you deserve.

[Deathstroke]

Not even close...... :rolleyes:

Such statements as those just prove people have not been paying attention and that they're barely listening to the "talking points". At this point in the campaign there is NO excuse to not have a better idea of each candidate, unless you just don't give a shit. And if you don't, then you get what you deserve.


It's called an opinion. Last I checked, I'm still entitled to my own.

[KevinTBrown]

It's called an opinion. Last I checked, I'm still entitled to my own.

Review the second line of my signature.

[AllisterH]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:

You know, I'm no fan of the Republicans but does anyone find the charges somewhat petty?

Honestly, they make no sense since really, everything he accepted apparently, are well within his range as a senator to buy himself. Seriously, look at the things Stevens accepted and scratch your head in wonderment.:confused:

[Typo Lad]

Those are interesting opinions Death, with very little basis in actual fact. I'm saying that about both of them, mind you.

Have you considered voting third-party or writing somerone in.

[Typo Lad]

You know, I'm no fan of the Republicans but does anyone find the charges somewhat petty?

Honestly, they make no sense since really, everything he accepted apparently, are well within his range as a senator to buy himself. Seriously, look at the things Stevens accepted and scratch your head in wonderment.:confused:

Federal Employees are not allowed to accept gifts over a certain dollar value. Back when my dad was one, we had to send stuff back from time to time... and he was just an adviser. I can't imagine the kind of junk people send someone with actual power.

[Stressfactor]

You know, I'm no fan of the Republicans but does anyone find the charges somewhat petty?

Honestly, they make no sense since really, everything he accepted apparently, are well within his range as a senator to buy himself. Seriously, look at the things Stevens accepted and scratch your head in wonderment.:confused:

That's a funny thing about a lot of people though -- just because you CAN buy something for yourself doesn't mean that you won't take it if it's offered for free...

But in all seriousness, I keep look at the really wealthy for whom what they pay in taxes would be a drop in the bucket. People who have so much money they could never spend it all and yet they look for tax loopholes and weasel their way out of paying their taxes even though it wouldn't really make a damn dent in their income. It boggles my mind.

[KevinTBrown]

You know, I'm no fan of the Republicans but does anyone find the charges somewhat petty?

Honestly, they make no sense since really, everything he accepted apparently, are well within his range as a senator to buy himself. Seriously, look at the things Stevens accepted and scratch your head in wonderment.:confused:

Well, one of the things he "received" was a $250,000 home improvement.

I don't think that's quite acceptable.

[Charles RB]

People who have so much money they could never spend it all and yet they look for tax loopholes and weasel their way out of paying their taxes even though it wouldn't really make a damn dent in their income.

"Because it's MINE! WAAAA!"

[Buzz Dixon]

And now that there's a stopped plot involving devolved genetic fuck ups, it's even more assured.I assume you refer to this: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081028/D943FNF80.html

Mind you, the idea of white tuxedos and top hats was a nice theatrical touch.

[Stressfactor]

I assume you refer to this: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081028/D943FNF80.html

Mind you, the idea of white tuxedos and top hats was a nice theatrical touch.
The scary thing is that Obama really never was in any danger -- hell, even the idiots didn't expect to get him and fully expected to die in the process -- but a lot of ordinary high school kids probably WERE in some measure of danger.

[Arrogantcur]

I get no respect, damnit! I posted that (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7788510&postcount=9714) a full day or so before Kevin. Waaaaah!!

:wink:

Aww, I respect you mightily, Mr. Pip! I'm just an ignoramus, I am...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:

Its been said he'll get maybe a year to 3 at most. I pick the 1 year he'll serve and lots of prohbation.

Maybe he will check into rehab?

Thats always an option...claim you took the gifts because you have a drinking problem.

Sadly I have yet to see anything from either candidate that would make me want to vote for them.

Of course the point is moot anyway, Obama locked up the win a while back. And now that there's a stopped plot involving devolved genetic fuck ups, it's even more assured.

The two candidates broken down:

McCain - A dying old man searching and grasping for one last shot at the brass ring.

Obama - Oprah Winfrey if she had a penis.

Lets see....a month or 2 of knowing the issues , 3 debates where Obama for the most point laid out his plans and now the Thursday primetime (CBS , ABC & NBC) 30 minute spot where Barack Obama will outline his issues. And yes its gonna take the place of one of your TV Shows.

Even after the Thursday primetime spot...theres no excuse on not knowing the issues.

Not even close...... :rolleyes:

Such statements as those just prove people have not been paying attention and that they're barely listening to the "talking points". At this point in the campaign there is NO excuse to not have a better idea of each candidate, unless you just don't give a shit. And if you don't, then you get what you deserve.

Reminds me of that Daily Show clip where Riggle and Bee had a group of un-decided voters in a panel. All of them watched all 3 debates and were given information on what Obama and McCain policies if they were President.

And soon enough all of them still acted like they had no clue who to vote for. Riggle & Bee walked to the back .."Can people be this fucking stupied ? AGHHHHH"

It was funny as the 2 just had some fun riffin on the un-decided voters. "Do you all wanna watch all 3 debates again in real slow motion ?":tongue:

Federal Employees are not allowed to accept gifts over a certain dollar value. Back when my dad was one, we had to send stuff back from time to time... and he was just an adviser. I can't imagine the kind of junk people send someone with actual power.

Well I'm sure if Stevens could he would have hid that extra level of a house they built him.:tongue:

Well, one of the things he "received" was a $250,000 home improvement.

I don't think that's quite acceptable.

Kinda hard to hide that. I mean how do you explain to investigators they built you a floor of a new house ?

[Sean Walsh]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:

It should, but these dicks usually weasel out of jail time.

McCain's apparently saying publically that Stevens should resign. Why anyone would run for office WHILE being found guilty in a court of law is idiotic.

America suffers because of old idiot fools like Ted Stevens.

[rick]

It should, but these dicks usually weasel out of jail time.



Oh come on now, the old fart is 84 years old, and is it really worthwhile to throw his ancient butt in jail?

Don't get me wrong, the possibility does have a certain appeal.

[Alix Harrower]

Oh come on now, the old fart is 84 years old, and is it really worthwhile to throw his ancient butt in jail?

Don't get me wrong, the possibility does have a certain appeal.

Given his age and (as I understand it -- I haven't followed the details of the charges at all closely) the fact that he was illegally getting free stuff and not stealing public money, something like house arrest and probation seem proportionate.

[Calybos]

I assume you refer to this: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081028/D943FNF80.html

Mind you, the idea of white tuxedos and top hats was a nice theatrical touch.

Oh, absolutely. It provides the perfect nickname for these losers: The Tennessee Tuxedos.

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics/Underdog/Tennessee_Tuxedo_300.gif

[AllisterH]

Apparently, Harry Reid is trying to get Byrd to retire as well. While he is still lucid enough, his physical state is deteriorating this year and apparently it is affecting his job performance.

It's going to be interesting even if the democrats don't get filibuster proof senate since really, filibusters can be stopped if the majority work around them (not actually bringing new Senate business to the floor and actually forcing people to talk all the way through the original motion will stop many a filibuster).

Even in the House, the democrats are actually expected to pick up ANOTHER 30-40 seats (want to see Pelosi blame Republicans if a motion now gets defeated in the house a la the financial credit crisis).

I'm honestly fascinated to see how the Republicans will recover given that it was only 6-8 years ago, people were crowing that the republican revolution was here to stay...

[KevinTBrown]

Oh come on now, the old fart is 84 years old, and is it really worthwhile to throw his ancient butt in jail?

Don't get me wrong, the possibility does have a certain appeal.

Yes.

There should be no exceptions when someone breaks the law and jail time is required.

Given his age and (as I understand it -- I haven't followed the details of the charges at all closely) the fact that he was illegally getting free stuff and not stealing public money, something like house arrest and probation seem proportionate.

If it was John Doe and not Ted Stevens that broke the law, would the same attitude apply?

[C-Cool]

Can they switch out Nancy Pelosi? Please?

I don't like her at all.

Hillary could do a much better job than her.

[LtMarvel]

The oddest thing about that segment was the intro when they showed the map of the US with what was presumably battleground states in yellow. All of the usual suspects ... and Texas?!



That was also right after the convention bounce and while there was a lot of enthusiasm about Palin. (There still is a lot of enthusiasm about Palin, but it seems to be just among the base and not keeping the independents anymore.) So a slide wasn't unexpected even before the economic crisis. And the Palin bounce would've turned into a slump anyway.



Or free Ben & Jerry's (http://www.benjerry.com/features/i_voted/)?
Sad! It's about 100 miles to the nearest Ben and Jerry's....

[LtMarvel]

On the subject of Ted Steven's conviction, doesn't that mean he's garunteed some jail time? Or do government officials have certain additional laws that aren't civil laws?:confused:
Judge's disgression. He faces 5 years for each of the 7 counts. Guidelines recomment less. And the judge could suspend his sentence altogether.

The US Senate can expell him with a 2/3 vote. Traditionally the process isn't begun until all appeals have been decided.

[the4thpip]

Thats always an option...claim you took the gifts because you have a drinking problem.





I was hoping for "sex addiction."

[Buzz Dixon]

If it was John Doe and not Ted Stevens that broke the law, would the same attitude apply?If John Doe did it, it wouldn't be a crime because he's not holding a political office.

[KevinTBrown]

If John Doe did it, it wouldn't be a crime because he's not holding a political office.

Note: I said "the law", not "that law". If you break the law, regardless of what it is, you should expect to pay for your crimes.

[PatrickG]

I've always said that I think elected officials should face stiffer penalties for ANY infraction of the law, all the way down to speeding tickets.

Mandatory minimum sentences, increased fines, etc.

I've come around to the thinking that we DO need more serious hate crime legislation in this country but committing ANY crime as a politician should similarly have stiffer penalties with less flexibility.

Heck, I'd be in favor of lumping elected officials who commit white collar crimes in with violent offenders and putting them to work on chain gangs.

These guys need the fear of God put in 'em.

[Tetsuo_man]

Can they switch out Nancy Pelosi? Please?

I don't like her at all.

Hillary could do a much better job than her.

:eek: Dude! That couldn't happen Pelosi is in the house and Clinton is in the senate.

[Buzz Dixon]

I've always said that I think elected officials should face stiffer penalties for ANY infraction of the law, all the way down to speeding tickets.

Mandatory minimum sentences, increased fines, etc.

I've come around to the thinking that we DO need more serious hate crime legislation in this country but committing ANY crime as a politician should similarly have stiffer penalties with less flexibility.

Heck, I'd be in favor of lumping elected officials who commit white collar crimes in with violent offenders and putting them to work on chain gangs.

These guys need the fear of God put in 'em.I think drag hanging and impalement are a bit much, but am fine with a vigorous application of bastinado.

[Michael P]

I've always said that I think elected officials should face stiffer penalties for ANY infraction of the law, all the way down to speeding tickets.

Mandatory minimum sentences, increased fines, etc.

I've come around to the thinking that we DO need more serious hate crime legislation in this country but committing ANY crime as a politician should similarly have stiffer penalties with less flexibility.

Heck, I'd be in favor of lumping elected officials who commit white collar crimes in with violent offenders and putting them to work on chain gangs.

These guys need the fear of God put in 'em.
Screw God, they need the fear of a pissed-off electorate.

[KevinTBrown]

Screw God, they need the fear of a pissed-off electorate.

A LOT of them are facing that this year.....

[C-Cool]

:eek: Dude! That couldn't happen Pelosi is in the house and Clinton is in the senate.

Crap...

I still want Pelosi out of there.

[Major Comma]

Anybody want to make any predictions on what time of day or evening when the winner of the Presidential election will be announced next Teusday?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I was hoping for "sex addiction."

That will be my reason I get outta trouble with. My horrible crippling addiction to hot sex.

Anybody want to make any predictions on what time of day or evening when the winner of the Presidential election will be announced next Teusday?

It will happen at night once all the votes are in.

[KevinTBrown]

Anybody want to make any predictions on what time of day or evening when the winner of the Presidential election will be announced next Teusday?

Polls close in Hawaii at, what, midnight eastern time? By law, they have to wait until then to "offiicially" announce who they predict is the winner. That does not stop them from declaring so-and-so the winner of _________ state.

[Kevinroc]

Polls close in Hawaii at, what, midnight eastern time? By law, they have to wait until then to "offiicially" announce who they predict is the winner. That does not stop them from declaring so-and-so the winner of _________ state.

And I'm pretty sure they can't declare "so-and-so" is the winner of a state until 8 p.m. West Coast time.

[Buzz Dixon]

Anybody want to make any predictions on what time of day or evening when the winner of the Presidential election will be announced next Teusday?8:01pm Pacific Standard Time, though it will be obvious from the tote boards as soon as the East Coast polls close.

[Buzz Dixon]

Polls close in Hawaii at, what, midnight eastern time? By law, they have to wait until then to "offiicially" announce who they predict is the winner. That does not stop them from declaring so-and-so the winner of _________ state.There is no law to stop anyone from declaring any candidate the winner at any time they wish -- hey, we can say Ralph Nader is the winner right now! -- but after the 1980 election, in which an early pronouncement that Reagan had won help depress late voters from going to the polls in the West Coast and may have made a difference in state elections, the networks and news shows have waited until the Pacific Coast polls have closed before announcing their project (Alaska and Hawaii, having a total of 7 electoral votes among them, are not considered as crucial).

[CutterMike]

Aww, I respect you mightily, Mr. Pip! I'm just an ignoramus, I am...No, you're not...You're A SNAKE! A SNAKE! YOU'RE A SNA-A-A-A-AKE!
(BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger)

[KevinTBrown]

There is no law to stop anyone from declaring any candidate the winner at any time they wish -- hey, we can say Ralph Nader is the winner right now! -- but after the 1980 election, in which an early pronouncement that Reagan had won help depress late voters from going to the polls in the West Coast and may have made a difference in state elections, the networks and news shows have waited until the Pacific Coast polls have closed before announcing their project (Alaska and Hawaii, having a total of 7 electoral votes among them, are not considered as crucial).

By "they", I mean the media. You or I could say anything. :biggrin:

[Buzz Dixon]

By "they", I mean the media. You or I could say anything. :biggrin:Most specifically there is no law stopping the media. They have a First Amendment right to say what they want whenever they want. As a courtesy they don't call national elections until the lower 48 have voted.

[Crowley]

I voted today.

[TomStillwell]

I voted today.

Socialist terrorist!!!

[Spike-X]

Hey, check this out -

The state that (Palin) governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

Hmm...I'm sure there's a word for that, but I can't quite think of what it is.

Full article here (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg)

[mattx110]

Hey, check this out -



Hmm...I'm sure there's a word for that, but I can't quite think of what it is.

Full article here (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg)
To be fair, that was the secessionist Palin speaking. She doesn't mind socialism, as long as there was a chance she could escape that American capitalism.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Socialist terrorist!!!

Beat me to it. :biggrin:

[CutterMike]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/28/evoting_fears/
E-voting fears run high as election day looms
'Flipped' votes reported in three states
By Dan Goodin in San Francisco

28th October 2008 23:36 GMT
With just a week to go before the US presidential election, academics, politicians, and voters are voicing increased distrust of the electronic voting machines that will be used to cast ballots.

In early balloting in West Virginia, Texas, and Tennessee, voters using e-voting machines made by Nebraska-based Election Systems & Software (ES&S) have reported the "flipping" of their vote from the presidential candidate they selected to the candidate's rival. In some cases, voters said their choice had been changed from Democrat Barack Obama to Republican John McCain while others reported just the opposite.(more)
No indication if it's skewed significantly one way or the other or if they're getting flipped relatively evenly but if you're in a state that uses these machines be sure to double-, triple-, and fourple-check your entries.

[Charles RB]

Hey, check this out -


It's like they're deliberately trying to suck...

[Nick Soapdish]

Sad! It's about 100 miles to the nearest Ben and Jerry's....

Same here. So I went ahead and voted yesterday.

If John Doe did it, it wouldn't be a crime because he's not holding a political office.

Depends on the state. It'd be a crime for any state employee in Florida.

And the Colbert Report just brought up another interesting thing about the MSNBC graphic before the McCain guarantee. In addition to identifies Texas a toss-up state, it also identifies North Carolina as Virginia. I'm not sure which is more incorrect.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/28/evoting_fears/

No indication if it's skewed significantly one way or the other or if they're getting flipped relatively evenly but if you're in a state that uses these machines be sure to double-, triple-, and fourple-check your entries.

Damn that...maybe this is why John McCain told Tom Brokaw not to worry...the machines will screw everyone over and put him in office.

[rick]

If it was John Doe and not Ted Stevens that broke the law, would the same attitude apply?


If he was 84, then yeah, I'd still question the value of locking him up.

[Infra-Man]

Joe the Plumber knows as much about foreign policy as I do about string theory. But that doesn't stop him from proclaiming that a vote for Obama means "death to Israel".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Joe the Plumber knows as much about foreign policy as I do about string theory. But that doesn't stop him from proclaiming that a vote for Obama means "death to Israel".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."

Its been said that thus far Joe the Plumber hasn't helped McCain's poll numbers in Ohio.

[C-Cool]

Joe the Plumber knows as much about foreign policy as I do about string theory. But that doesn't stop him from proclaiming that a vote for Obama means "death to Israel".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Man... A Fox News reporter is scared by that dude.

Oh my god.

[Royal]

Socialist terrorist!!!

umm...over here. Thanks.

[CutterMike]

Joe the Plumber knows as much about foreign policy as I do about string theory. But that doesn't stop him from proclaiming that a vote for Obama means "death to Israel".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."There is a news anchor that may be looking for work for not toeing the party line!

[Royal]

Oregon's Matt Lindland strikes back at Susan VanOrman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkI6hvbpV7c)

h/t: Fightlinker (http://www.fightlinker.com/)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Joe the Plumber knows as much about foreign policy as I do about string theory. But that doesn't stop him from proclaiming that a vote for Obama means "death to Israel".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Man... A Fox News reporter is scared by that dude.

Oh my god.

There is a news anchor that may be looking for work for not toeing the party line!


Joe doesn't even understand what the power of what he means. And it shocks me when the Fox News anchor starts pouring into the moron. Wow.... taking hate to a new level...thanks Sam the non-licensed plumber.

[Lester C.]

I just found out that Obama is pro gay civil union which disappoints me. He still has my vote, but you’d think that he of all people should understand that the separate but equal line of thinking is anything but and leads to total disenfranchisement by group that is classified as separate but equal.

[Lester C.]

I just found out that Obama is pro gay civil union which disappoints me. He still has my vote, but you’d think that he of all people should understand that the separate but equal line of thinking is anything but and leads to total disenfranchisement by group that is classified as separate but equal.

[Lester C.]

I just found out that Obama is pro gay civil union which disappoints me. He still has my vote, but you’d think that he of all people should understand that the separate but equal line of thinking is anything but and leads to total disenfranchisement by group that is classified as separate but equal.

[Lester C.]

I just found out that Obama is pro gay civil union which disappoints me. He still has my vote, but you’d think that he of all people should understand that the separate but equal line of thinking is anything but and leads to total disenfranchisement by group that is classified as separate but equal.

[BnL]

Eh, I think a lot of politicians are secretly pro-gay marriage, including Obama. The problem is, in most parts of this country, saying so publicly would be enough to end your political career. And you DEFINITELY can't admit it if you're running for president. But you can tell they know that the arguments against gay marriage are bullshit. I got the same vibe from Hillary. I can picture Obama voicing his support during his second term. So, while not an ideal situation, I can live with it. For now.

[kingdom2000]

There is a news anchor that may be looking for work for not toeing the party line!

Huh, no kidding. He must have been ripped a new one for that one. Probably told "sell the fear or your fired!". If Fox News as a whole was like that, williness to not consistently drink the republican cool aid no matter, I could get on that. For instance I bet Sam and Bri would watch that, nod their heads the entire time saying "you tell em Joe!" and then go "wtf! that traitor!!!!" at the end of it.

Both parties have f--- up aspects and both have the occasional good. A true "fair and balanced" network would happily point out both and ignore the party label entirely. Maybe its a start of something. Doubt it, but who knows.

[Charles RB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzNj2h2Mo_Q

Stick around for the end of the interview where Shepard Smith says, in not so many words, "What the hell was that all about? Whatever it is, it's scary."

"There are a lot of people who agree with you, what I can't figure is why."

I also like how Joe the Plumber is stammering that he shouldn't be on TV and people aren't interested in his view and, basically, he doesn't know much on the issue. Poor guy's just some random, not-that-informed guy who's found himself trapped in the spotlight with no idea of what to do, being used by the McCain campaign to sway votes.

[Typo Lad]

Shepard Smith had another recent moment they played on the daily show where someone threw spin at him and he said "What exactly did you just say?"

Give the guy points for that, and for this.

[Global Honored]

I can not wait til this thing is over. How f'n long does an election have to be these days anyway? So much BS on both sides and the average American turns into know-it-all pundit for their party or position where one party is going to save the world no problem and the other will destroy it...BS. The president is only one man (or woman.) No matter who wins, and it looks like Obama, but it is closer I believe than the networks who seem to support him are showing, this winner is going to have a very difficult few years after the initial honeymoon and all the promises that have been thrown out there, which can not possibly be met w/o drastic sacrifices in other areas, are going to probably deflate his/her supporters when they eventually come to pass...undone...unaccomplished...and dare I say....unchanged. I can't blame the candidates so much, it is not them that annoys me, but rather every F'n blogger and water-cooler Brainiac that has all the answers and obviously their candidate agrees with them 100% of the time...? Really? Sure. These guys are so different, they don't even tee off from the same country club in the same foursome...

[Infra-Man]

From the "Seriously, guys, we're supposed to be the classy, rational ones, not the ignorant-looking, mouth-breathing, hate-filled, douchebag mooks" file

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/US-Elections-2008/Sarah-Palin-Effigy-Not-A-Hate... (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/US-Elections-2008/Sarah-Palin-Effigy-Not-A-Hate-Crime-Because-Republican-VP-Nominee-Is-Part-Of-Halloween-Display/Article/200810415131042?lpos=US_Elections_2008_Top_Stories _Header_4&lid=ARTICLE_15131042_Sarah_Palin_Effigy_Not_A_Hate _Crime_Because_Republican_VP_Nominee_Is_Part_Of_Ha lloween_Display)


Palin Effigy 'Not A Hate Crime'
A resident in Los Angeles who hanged an effigy of Sarah Palin from the chimney of his house will not face action by local police.

Neighbours of West Hollywood resident Chad Michael Morrisette believed he had gone too far with the crude display of the Republican vice presidential nominee and reported his action as a hate crime.

But the Los Angeles County sheriff's office said Mr Morrisette has not committed an official offence because the doll is part of a Halloween display.

"I'm not defending this; I'm not criticising it. It doesn't rise to the level of hate crime," said spokesman Steve Whitmore.

"Now, if there was a crime against bad taste..."

Mr Whitemore did say, however, that because potential hate crimes are looked at on a case-by-case basis, a complaint about an effigy of Barack Obama would have to be handled differently.

"That adds a whole other social, historical hate aspect to the display, and that is embedded in the consciousness of the country," he said.

It would be "ill-advised" for anyone to speculate on whether that would be a hate crime, he added.

West Hollywood Mayor Jeffrey Prang says the display - which also features a doll of John McCain - should be removed.

"While these residents have the legal right to display Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin in effigy, I strongly oppose political speech that references violence - real or perceived," he said.

"I urge these residents to take down their display and find more constructive ways to express their opinion."

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/obama-ohno.jpg

[KevinTBrown]

Brand new, very effective (IMO), Obama commercial: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1386357098/bctid1885474357

[Buzz Dixon]

Polls close in Hawaii at, what, midnight eastern time? By law, they have to wait until then to "offiicially" announce who they predict is the winner. That does not stop them from declaring so-and-so the winner of _________ state.Not a direct response to you, Kevin, but the big brouhaha in 1980 wasn't because the networks projected a winner early, but because based on those projections Carter conceded the race before the West Coast polls were closed. This pretty much supressed a lot of late voters from going to the polls and as a result may have affected the outcome of several down ticket votes and ballot propositions.

The fault was not in he media, but in Carter.

[Sean Walsh]

But the Los Angeles County sheriff's office said Mr Morrisette has not committed an official offence because the doll is part of a Halloween display.

WHAT?

Weren't there stories from last year about how empty nooses in Halloween displays were deemed hate crimes??

[KevinTBrown]

By the way, is tonight's Obama "infomercial" overkill (http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1715419)?

And who's planning on watching it?

I am, but I need to DVR it.

[the4thpip]

Obama/Biden 311 McCain/Palin 157 Toss Up 70

Nevadais no longer considered a toss up at RCP. I think that is the biggest EC lead for Obama/Biden yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

[KevinTBrown]

Obama/Biden 311 McCain/Palin 157 Toss Up 70

Nevadais no longer considered a toss up at RCP. I think that is the biggest EC lead for Obama/Biden yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

In camparison, here's how it looked 4 years ago today: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct29.html

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 236 Bush 281

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Pngs/Oct29.png

[Buzz Dixon]

WHAT?

Weren't there stories from last year about how empty nooses in Halloween displays were deemed hate crimes??"It's West Hollywood, Jake..."

[Stressfactor]

WHAT?

Weren't there stories from last year about how empty nooses in Halloween displays were deemed hate crimes??
To be fair "burning someone in effigy" used to be an accepted form of political protest.

HOWEVER, this guy is not burning the effigies... He should just do it and get it over with.

And also, EMPTY nooses imply you want to put someone IN them... and it was a scare tactic used during the bad old "lynching" days down south.

[Buzz Dixon]

For the record, I think the hanged Palin effigy is wrong. McCain in a chimney spewing flames is over the top, but in a grotesque, cartoony way. Advocating lynching is not.

If the owner of the house had her riding a broom, I'd have no complaints.

[Shade]

Poor guy's just some random, not-that-informed guy who's found himself trapped in the spotlight with no idea of what to do, being used by the McCain campaign to sway votes.

McCain is using him as a shill and the guy has gladly said yes. He's traveling to different rallies AND speaking. "Trapped"? No...the guy just needs to say "no thank you" go away. He WANTS the spotlight He's probably PAID to be in the spotlight. He's the McCain mascot and just like with Palin the McCain camp issues statements to hold up his dumb statements.

He ain't trapped. No one is forcing him to open his big, uninformed mouth. He chose too. My guess is he was told he'd be doing a Fox News interview and thought he was safe and then was caught off guard when Smith busted him.

[PatrickG]

"There are a lot of people who agree with you, what I can't figure is why."

I also like how Joe the Plumber is stammering that he shouldn't be on TV and people aren't interested in his view and, basically, he doesn't know much on the issue. Poor guy's just some random, not-that-informed guy who's found himself trapped in the spotlight with no idea of what to do, being used by the McCain campaign to sway votes.

Last I heard, he was saying he was interested in running for congress.

[DrewEdwards]

Eh, I think a lot of politicians are secretly pro-gay marriage, including Obama. The problem is, in most parts of this country, saying so publicly would be enough to end your political career. And you DEFINITELY can't admit it if you're running for president. But you can tell they know that the arguments against gay marriage are bullshit. I got the same vibe from Hillary. I can picture Obama voicing his support during his second term. So, while not an ideal situation, I can live with it. For now.


I think you're 100 percent spot on.

[stealthwise]

Last I heard, he was saying he was interested in running for congress.

You guys run a fucked-up shop down south.

[PatrickG]

You guys run a fucked-up shop down south.

Must be why you send us all your quality exports like Dan Aykroyd, Alex Trebek, Shatner and Mr. Spock.

then again, you also gave us Celine Dion and John Byrne.

Why haven't we invaded you for your oil yet?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The more Joe the Plumber is on the campaign trail and the more McCain supports him...the more you see he was a "plant" by the campaign. He was supposed to sway the common man vote and its gotta fuck with McCain that no one took to his message that much and hell...once the media busted Joe ...you saw how crazy it sent some in his campaign...HOW DARE THE MEDIA find out Joe was related to the Keatings.

[Grazzt]

Why haven't we invaded you for your oil yet?

You don't want to have to go through this again:

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/July-August-08/On-this-Day--British-Troops-Burn-White-House-and-Capital/news/0/image.jpg

:tongue:

[JeffreyWKramer]

Eh, I think a lot of politicians are secretly pro-gay marriage, including Obama. The problem is, in most parts of this country, saying so publicly would be enough to end your political career. And you DEFINITELY can't admit it if you're running for president. But you can tell they know that the arguments against gay marriage are bullshit. I got the same vibe from Hillary. I can picture Obama voicing his support during his second term. So, while not an ideal situation, I can live with it. For now.


You're probably right on that, but let me tell you my problem with that whole line of thinking, which I've already discussed on the Comm board.

What you're saying is that Obama and Hillary and various others that don't speak out in favor of gay marriage probably are in favor of it, but won't say that for fear that if they say it, they won't get elected.

That may make political sense, but while political realities are one thing, they're not the only thing, and not saying something you believe in order to get elected really isn't much (if any) more ethical than the folk that will say anything whatsoever in order to get elected. A lie by omission is still a lie, and saying you think one thing when you really think something else is very much a lie. Something being expedient doesn't make it any less a lie.

Beyond that, "say one thing, do another" is pretty much business as usual in politics, but Obama has been running on this hope and change platform, and if he really wants us to take seriously this idea of him being an agent of change, it doesn't make sense for him to just keep doing the same old thing as plenty of other politicians. Doing the same thing everyone else does isn't change.

[CutterMike]

Must be why you send us all your quality exports like Dan Aykroyd, Alex Trebek, Shatner and Mr. Spock.

then again, you also gave us Celine Dion and John Byrne.

Why haven't we invaded you for your oil yet?Hang on, there, sport... Leonard Nimoy was a Boston, Massachusetts boy. He grew up in the old West End around Scollay Square (now Government Center) where his dad had a barbershop.

Shatner... okay... HE was a genuine Canadian Ham, but the cool one was from Massachusetts!

As for the rest of them... yeah, Canada's got a lot to answer for.

(...And they STOLE Spider Robinson from us, too!:mad: )

[JKCarrier]

Hang on, there, sport... Leonard Nimoy was a Boston, Massachusetts boy.

Can't blame them for John Byrne, either, since I believe he was born in England.

[the4thpip]

Alaska Governor and Republican Vice President hopeful Sarah Palin may be facing another round of scrutiny, this time for charging the state for her children to travel with her while conducing official state business.

CBS News has obtained a copy of the complaint that Frank Gwartney, a retired lineman in Anchorage filed last Friday, with Alaska’s Attorney General, Talis Colber in Juneau. “Palin ran on the platform of ethics, transparency and anti-corruption. I’m tired of the hypocrisy that exists in Government and people need to know the truth,” said Gwartney.

The complaint against Governor Palin, alleges Misuse of Official Position: “Gov. Palin attempted to and in fact did use her official position for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits for her daughters...” All the allegations contained in the complaint are related to state reimbursed travel.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/28/cbsnews_investigates/main4554071.shtml

She is just getting all the scandals out of the way before 2012.

[the4thpip]

76 American Nobel Prize winners endorse Obama. (http://sefora.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/nobel_letter_v6.pdf)

And Al Gore is not even one of them!

[Tobias March]

This American girl at work showed me this site. (http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/)

Which is nice and all but then I asked her if she had registered her absentee ballot.....she'd forgotten. Well feck.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/


John McCain has actually by sending Palin to Colorado last week...managed to piss away more of the over 50 voters if you realize whats happened. Before this Obama wasn't doing well with them. Then she traveled there and gave rallys one week...and you get this poll.

[Buzz Dixon]

Helen Philpot is 84 years old. Her grandson recently taught her how to blog.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/what-was-i-thinking-when-i-called-sarah-palin-a-bitch/

I like Helen Philpot.

[Charles RB]

Last I heard, he was saying he was interested in running for congress.

Scratch what I said then.

[Spike-X]

Helen Philpot is 84 years old. Her grandson recently taught her how to blog.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/what-was-i-thinking-when-i-called-sarah-palin-a-bitch/

I like Helen Philpot.
I'm now a fan!

[Nick Soapdish]

I just found out that Obama is pro gay civil union which disappoints me. He still has my vote, but you’d think that he of all people should understand that the separate but equal line of thinking is anything but and leads to total disenfranchisement by group that is classified as separate but equal.

That's one of the things that bothers me as well.

There isn't really a happy solution about that for me. Jeffrey already hit upon the problem with the other answer.

The most that I can really hope for is that he's able to push (or allow) gay civil unions to pass and that gay marriage will get passed by the next president. I don't really see Congress taking a strong stand on it any time soon by themselves.

Or maybe he'll come around. Before the furor over gay marriage during the 2004 campaign season, it hadn't even occurred to me that gays would want to get married because it was just something that a man and a woman would do. Since then, I've realized that I was being close-minded (but maybe not how close-minded I was).

[stealthwise]

Must be why you send us all your quality exports like Dan Aykroyd, Alex Trebek, Shatner and Mr. Spock.

then again, you also gave us Celine Dion and John Byrne.

Why haven't we invaded you for your oil yet?

I'm honestly afraid that that will happen within my lifetime. Hell, we have more oil reserves than Iraq.

And as for other Canadians, there's Jim Carrey, Keanu... er, forget that one, Pam Ander... moving along, Howie Man... jeez, this is hard.

Wayne Gretzky?

[Spike-X]

And as for other Canadians, there's Jim Carrey, Keanu... er, forget that one, Pam Ander... moving along, Howie Man... jeez, this is hard.

Wayne Gretzky?

Neil Young

Maynard Ferguson

Oscar Peterson

KD Lang

The Tragically Hip

Sarah McLachlan

Cowboy Junkies

The Pursuit Of Happiness

and the North Shore mountain biking style

[stealthwise]

Neil Young

Maynard Ferguson

Oscar Peterson

KD Lang

The Tragically Hip

Sarah McLachlan

Cowboy Junkies

The Pursuit Of Happiness

and the North Shore mountain biking style

Quiet man, you're just making it worse!

[Grazzt]

Let's not forget the good comedians that Canada breeds: John Candy, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Steve Smith (Red Green), Brent Butt, Glen Foster, Phil Hartman, Kids In The Hall, Nikki Payne, Ron James, Wayne and Shuster, that's just off the top of my head.

And as far as actors, Sandra Oh is one of ours.

[stealthwise]

Let's not forget the good comedians that Canada breeds: John Candy, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Steve Smith (Red Green), Brent Butt, Glen Foster, Phil Hartman, Kids In The Hall, Nikki Payne, Ron James, Wayne and Shuster, that's just off the top of my head.

And as far as actors, Sandra Oh is one of ours.

Leslie Nielsen as well.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Neil Young

Maynard Ferguson

Oscar Peterson

KD Lang

The Tragically Hip

Sarah McLachlan

Cowboy Junkies

The Pursuit Of Happiness

and the North Shore mountain biking style


All I heard was Sarah McLachlan...


All is forgiven, IMO...

[Infra-Man]

Let's not forget the good comedians that Canada breeds: John Candy, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Steve Smith (Red Green), Brent Butt, Glen Foster, Phil Hartman, Kids In The Hall, Nikki Payne, Ron James, Wayne and Shuster, that's just off the top of my head.

And as far as actors, Sandra Oh is one of ours.

I'd also like to thank the Canadians for giving us all:

Margaret Atwood
Broken Social Scene (and everyone associated with the Arts & Crafts label)
Leonard Cohen
Alice Munro
Wolf Parade
Metric
Douglas Coupland
William Gibson
Saul Bellow
Arcade Fire
The New Pornographers

[Spike-X]

Never mind.

[CutterMike]

I'm honestly afraid that that will happen within my lifetime. Hell, we have more oil reserves than Iraq.

And as for other Canadians, there's Jim Carrey, Keanu... er, forget that one, Pam Ander... moving along, Howie Man... jeez, this is hard.

Wayne Gretzky?Bobby Orr!!!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Man ....I pity John McCain now...he is fucked big. This primetime special is really delivering on every issue Obama stands for mixed in with the middle-class people who need help.

[CutterMike]

...who went out of her way to court the Insiders!

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/29/jane_mayer_on_the_insiders_how

[Royal]

Man ....I pity John McCain now...he is fucked big. This primetime special is really delivering on every issue Obama stands for mixed in with the middle-class people who need help.

With Text and Phone hotlines as well as links every two minutes.

God damn. They're changing the face of Politiking.

[AllisterH]

The only dangerous thing about Obama's full court press is that we ike it now, because it's our candidate, but what happens in 4 years when somebody like Huckabee (who many thought was the "BEST" tv politician from either party during the primaries) is doing it?

[Spike-X]

I dunno, what happens?

[KevinTBrown]

Man ....I pity John McCain now...he is fucked big. This primetime special is really delivering on every issue Obama stands for mixed in with the middle-class people who need help.

I know I'm VERY biased here, but I think Obama knocked it out. He has shown himself to be quite Presidential, while not assuming it's his already. And he definitely connected with the common folk with this 30 minutes.

I would like to think this helped him to garner those undecideds, but one never knows.

[Arrogantcur]

It's pretty laughable that in mocking Obama's special, McCain said that "I will never delay the start of the World Series for an infomercial."

First of all, it's not the start of the World Series. It was Game Five.

Second, it was a continuation of Game Five, five-plus innings of which had been played previously before the game got rained out with the score tied. So Obama wasn't even delaying that start of the game.

Third, his special only ran a half hour, meaning that the sixth inning of the game would resume at 8:30 Eastern, 5:30 Pacific. Waiting a half hour is nothing. In the past I used to wait a hell of a lot longer than that when there was a non-game-postponing rain delay, patiently waiting for the rain to stop and the game to resume or start, and then I'd watch it until the final out. Baseball fans are patient.

[C-Cool]

This American girl at work showed me this site. (http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/)

Which is nice and all but then I asked her if she had registered her absentee ballot.....she'd forgotten. Well feck.

Wow that Ron Paul/Barack Obama race is very close...

Wait... Isn't McCain the Republican presidential nominee...

Uh oh...

[KevinTBrown]

It's pretty laughable that in mocking Obama's special, McCain said that "I will never delay the start of the World Series for an infomercial."

First of all, it's not the start of the World Series. It was Game Five.

Second, it was a continuation of Game Five, five-plus innings of which had been played previously before the game got rained out with the score tied. So Obama wasn't even delaying that start of the game.

Third, his special only ran a half hour, meaning that the sixth inning of the game would resume at 8:30 Eastern, 5:30 Pacific. Waiting a half hour is nothing. In the past I used to wait a hell of a lot longer than that when there was a non-game-postponing rain delay, patiently waiting for the rain to stop and the game to resume or start, and then I'd watch it until the final out. Baseball fans are patient.

He didn't even delay the game.

1st pitch for the start of game five was 8:33 Eastern time. 1st pitch tonight was about 8:40 Eastern time.

What got eliminated was all the pre-game stuff.




Oh, and no talk of McCain's RNC speech delaying the start of the NFL season...?????

[FalconX2000]

You're probably right on that, but let me tell you my problem with that whole line of thinking, which I've already discussed on the Comm board.

What you're saying is that Obama and Hillary and various others that don't speak out in favor of gay marriage probably are in favor of it, but won't say that for fear that if they say it, they won't get elected.

That may make political sense, but while political realities are one thing, they're not the only thing, and not saying something you believe in order to get elected really isn't much (if any) more ethical than the folk that will say anything whatsoever in order to get elected. A lie by omission is still a lie, and saying you think one thing when you really think something else is very much a lie. Something being expedient doesn't make it any less a lie.

Beyond that, "say one thing, do another" is pretty much business as usual in politics, but Obama has been running on this hope and change platform, and if he really wants us to take seriously this idea of him being an agent of change, it doesn't make sense for him to just keep doing the same old thing as plenty of other politicians. Doing the same thing everyone else does isn't change.

Obama always has been and will continue to be a compromiser, fighting with his convictions then conceding where he deems the political cost not worth the gain. He did it with the ethics bill in Illinois when he let the politicians who already had gift money keep it. He did it with FISA. He did it with oil drilling. And the only reason why he won't be doing as much of it in the oval office is because he'll be handed a democrat padded congress.

[a. non]

Another WTF moment:

i was driving home from my LCS, and i saw this truck that had a bootleg picture Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes) peeing on the word "Obama".:mad:

[Cam63]

I dunno, what happens?

I thought you lived in the Australian timezone...

[Cam63]

Another WTF moment:

i was driving home from my LCS, and i saw this truck that had a bootleg picture Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes) peeing on the word "Obama".:mad:

Who knew Cletus could draw ?

[Berserk]

It's cool seeing Obama and Bill Clinton on stage together. If only Bill Clinton had gotten over his bitterness over the primaries sooner; I think Florida and other battleground states would be way more toward Obama than they are now. Right now they are the two powerhouses of the Democratic party; having them together is definitely a good thing.

[KevinTBrown]

It's cool seeing Obama and Bill Clinton on stage together. If only Bill Clinton had gotten over his bitterness over the primaries sooner; I think Florida and other battleground states would be way more toward Obama than they are now. Right now they are the two powerhouses of the Democratic party; having them together is definitely a good thing.

This is the knock-out punch I think Obama needed with less than a week to go. If this was 2, 3 weeks ago, the impact would fade. But with now less than 6 days to go, this is a hammer upside the head of McCain.

[Arrogantcur]

Oh, and no talk of McCain's RNC speech delaying the start of the NFL season...?????

It would be nice if somebody on TV brought that up. :biggrin:

Obama always has been and will continue to be a compromiser, fighting with his convictions then conceding where he deems the political cost not worth the gain. He did it with the ethics bill in Illinois when he let the politicians who already had gift money keep it. He did it with FISA. He did it with oil drilling. And the only reason why he won't be doing as much of it in the oval office is because he'll be handed a democrat padded congress.

I hope that his compromising days are over. I don't like those compromises, and was disappointed in Obama for making them.

Much as I hate to make the "lesser of two evils" argument, I'll point out that Obama is still less of a compromiser than McCain. McCain has compromised almost all of his principles in order to get elected.

There are two things I can think of that he has stood firm on: not drilling in ANWR, and not bringing up Jeremiah Wright. But at this point I think he'd be a right-wing president, not a moderate president. If he were to win, I doubt he would get inaugurated and then say "Hahaha, I fooled all of you! I really agree with the Democrats on a lot of things, and now I'm going to do the opposite of what I said! Roe v. Wade is safe! I don't want to drill all over the place after all! I'm going to start bringing troops home from Iraq...no wait, I'll leave them in Iraq because even when I was a moderate I thought Iraq was a wonderful idea, so I want to stay there forever and ever. But hey, I was lying to you about the Bush tax cuts, and I'm going to get rid of them! MWAHAHA, I can't believe you all fell for it! Nyah nyah!"

For some reason I just find that unlikely...

[Nick Soapdish]

I can understand compromising on issues. You agree to something that you don't agree with to get something that you do believe in and that you believe will be better. I don't want another president that just pushes his position through.

But I don't agree with compromising principles. You don't agree to saying something that you don't believe in order to get a greater good. Be honest (even if you are a politician). Those are the wrong sort of compromises.

That being said, I do believe that people can have genuine changes in belief. Not all changes in position are because somebody sold out to the base (or some similar unsavory reason).

[BnL]

John McCain is a socialist who wants to spread the wealth by raising taxes on the wealthy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AvZqYC4mw&e)

[Infra-Man]

John McCain is a socialist who wants to spread the wealth by raising taxes on the wealthy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AvZqYC4mw&e)

In addition...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_concedes_Obama_no_socialist.html?showall

McCain concedes Obama no socialist
From his interview to air tonight on Larry King Live.

Larry has a way of coaxing it out, doesn't he?

KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist do you?

MCCAIN: No, but I do believe that he has been in the far left of American politics and stated time after time that he believes in spreading the wealth around. He has talked about courts that redistribute the wealth. He has a record of voting against tax cuts. And for tax increases.

Looks like he's trying to have it both ways and failing in his attempt to do so.

[Adam C]

William Gibson


Gibson was actually born in Conway, South Carolina in 1948 and immigrated to Vancouver in 1968 to avoid the Vietnam draft. (Though as it stood the draft board decided not to draft him, possibly because he told them he wanted to ingest every mind altering substance known to man.) He holds joint American-Canadian citizenship.

I'll also add:

Marshall McLuhan
Sloan
Hank Snow
Daniel Lanois
John Kenneth Galbraith
Joni Mitchell
Godspeed You! Black Emperor and everything on the Constellation Label

[BnL]

You're probably right on that, but let me tell you my problem with that whole line of thinking, which I've already discussed on the Comm board.

What you're saying is that Obama and Hillary and various others that don't speak out in favor of gay marriage probably are in favor of it, but won't say that for fear that if they say it, they won't get elected.

That may make political sense, but while political realities are one thing, they're not the only thing, and not saying something you believe in order to get elected really isn't much (if any) more ethical than the folk that will say anything whatsoever in order to get elected. A lie by omission is still a lie, and saying you think one thing when you really think something else is very much a lie. Something being expedient doesn't make it any less a lie.

Beyond that, "say one thing, do another" is pretty much business as usual in politics, but Obama has been running on this hope and change platform, and if he really wants us to take seriously this idea of him being an agent of change, it doesn't make sense for him to just keep doing the same old thing as plenty of other politicians. Doing the same thing everyone else does isn't change.

I can understand your feelings on the subject. But I also think that you can't make the kinds of changes that maybe the country isn't ready for, until you actually get elected. I'm not thrilled about his policy on gay marriage, but his explicit endorsement of civil unions, his opposition to amending the constitution, his willingness to publicly acknowledge his gay constituents, and his general inclusiveness are positive signs, and certainly far better than the opposition. I can respect those who think that isn't good enough, and don't want to compromise their own principles, and possibly vote third party. But for me personally, for a variety of reasons, I can accept the compromise for now.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The only dangerous thing about Obama's full court press is that we ike it now, because it's our candidate, but what happens in 4 years when somebody like Huckabee (who many thought was the "BEST" tv politician from either party during the primaries) is doing it?

I dunno, what happens?

Huckabee is everything John McCain isn't as a TV presence. He's smart , he has a very sweet personality and can work a camera his way. I'm pretty sure in 4 years the Republicans will take notes...ok Mr. Obama...you won this round and changed the way we do politics. Give the people someone inspiring...we will...and its gonna be someone we know can work a crowd as good as you.

I know I'm VERY biased here, but I think Obama knocked it out. He has shown himself to be quite Presidential, while not assuming it's his already. And he definitely connected with the common folk with this 30 minutes.

I would like to think this helped him to garner those undecideds, but one never knows.

By this point I'm pretty sure some Republicans in Florida are likely switching their votes. Obama did a TV special that defined him. At moments with his speeches you kinda wanted to tear up.

It's pretty laughable that in mocking Obama's special, McCain said that "I will never delay the start of the World Series for an infomercial."

First of all, it's not the start of the World Series. It was Game Five.

Second, it was a continuation of Game Five, five-plus innings of which had been played previously before the game got rained out with the score tied. So Obama wasn't even delaying that start of the game.

Third, his special only ran a half hour, meaning that the sixth inning of the game would resume at 8:30 Eastern, 5:30 Pacific. Waiting a half hour is nothing. In the past I used to wait a hell of a lot longer than that when there was a non-game-postponing rain delay, patiently waiting for the rain to stop and the game to resume or start, and then I'd watch it until the final out. Baseball fans are patient.


He's got nothing. They could have spent $5 million doing an 8:30pm special but didn't. Instead he had to watch as Obama sold himself to a primetime million viewing audiance while he stewed.

[Kevinroc]

In addition...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_concedes_Obama_no_socialist.html?showall



Looks like he's trying to have it both ways and failing in his attempt to do so.

Undermining his own statements is pretty much McCain's whole campaign. McCain declared that Obama wasn't "experienced enough" and then he picked Palin to be his running mate. This is just another such example of McCain doing that.

[Infra-Man]

Gibson was actually born in Conway, South Carolina in 1948 and immigrated to Vancouver in 1968 to avoid the Vietnam draft. (Though as it stood the draft board decided not to draft him, possibly because he told them he wanted to ingest every mind altering substance known to man.) He holds joint American-Canadian citizenship.

Ahh. Thanks for the correction.

I'll also add:

Marshall McLuhan
Sloan
Hank Snow
Daniel Lanois
John Kenneth Galbraith
Joni Mitchell
Godspeed You! Black Emperor and everything on the Constellation Label

Good call on Godspeed.

I still remember the first time I heard them. It was late at night when I was in high school listening to the local college radio station in my car. I was buying donuts or something and they played the second song of the Slow Riot.. EP (it had just come out). Epic, gave me chills, and when I drove to school the next morning, the station played the first song on the EP. Been a fan ever since.

[Tetsuo_man]

Let me add David Cronenberg to the list of great canadians (Scanners was on IFC tonight).

[Infra-Man]

Krispy Kreme is handing out a free doughnut to people who vote.

http://www.krispykreme.com/images/hot_vote_now08_pop.jpg

Gives this shirt new meaning:
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/a699b4ee46c23eec7e88ad2136071279.jpg

[Royal]

Godspeed You! Black Emperor

They're Japanese.

[Spike-X]

They're Japanese.

Umm....no. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godspeed_you!_black_emperor)

[EMeadow]

The only dangerous thing about Obama's full court press is that we ike it now, because it's our candidate, but what happens in 4 years when somebody like Huckabee (who many thought was the "BEST" tv politician from either party during the primaries) is doing it?

It can only happen if a candidate gets the kind of funds Obama got from donations from regular citizens all round the country.

There's in my opinion no way a Republican (charismatic they could be) could ever pull that off.

[EMeadow]

Much as I hate to make the "lesser of two evils" argument, I'll point out that Obama is still less of a compromiser than McCain. McCain has compromised almost all of his principles in order to get elected.

There are two things I can think of that he has stood firm on: not drilling in ANWR, and not bringing up Jeremiah Wright. But at this point I think he'd be a right-wing president, not a moderate president. If he were to win, I doubt he would get inaugurated and then say "Hahaha, I fooled all of you! I really agree with the Democrats on a lot of things, and now I'm going to do the opposite of what I said! Roe v. Wade is safe! I don't want to drill all over the place after all! I'm going to start bringing troops home from Iraq...no wait, I'll leave them in Iraq because even when I was a moderate I thought Iraq was a wonderful idea, so I want to stay there forever and ever. But hey, I was lying to you about the Bush tax cuts, and I'm going to get rid of them! MWAHAHA, I can't believe you all fell for it! Nyah nyah!"

For some reason I just find that unlikely...

Its not a matter of unlikely. Its a matter of he coudln't do it even if he wanted to.

The Party wants Palin, not really him. They'll pull a Cheney on McCain and say "We got you here, you're following our mandate, not what's good for the country" and he'll be nothing but a false president who knew he sold his soul to get to the White House for nothing because he'd have no real power.

And enough people have realized that and THAT is the main reason Obama's poll numbers are what they are.

This time, everyone sees the puppet master truly pulling the strings.

[Royal]

Umm....no. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godspeed_you!_black_emperor)

My bad. I only knew the bike gang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiTj20Fbm0Y).

[FalconX2000]

I hope that his compromising days are over. I don't like those compromises, and was disappointed in Obama for making them.

Much as I hate to make the "lesser of two evils" argument, I'll point out that Obama is still less of a compromiser than McCain. McCain has compromised almost all of his principles in order to get elected.

There are two things I can think of that he has stood firm on: not drilling in ANWR, and not bringing up Jeremiah Wright. But at this point I think he'd be a right-wing president, not a moderate president. If he were to win, I doubt he would get inaugurated and then say "Hahaha, I fooled all of you! I really agree with the Democrats on a lot of things, and now I'm going to do the opposite of what I said! Roe v. Wade is safe! I don't want to drill all over the place after all! I'm going to start bringing troops home from Iraq...no wait, I'll leave them in Iraq because even when I was a moderate I thought Iraq was a wonderful idea, so I want to stay there forever and ever. But hey, I was lying to you about the Bush tax cuts, and I'm going to get rid of them! MWAHAHA, I can't believe you all fell for it! Nyah nyah!"

For some reason I just find that unlikely...

I don't see it. Obama is no Russ Feingold (though I'm sure even he has compromised before). It's more important to him to get as much good as possible done than to stand unwaveringly behind his beliefs. I personally agree with such a quality in cases where he hasn't given his word otherwise (such as FISA).

Working with a democratic congress should mean he doesn't need to use it that much though.

[rick]

I can not wait til this thing is over. How f'n long does an election have to be these days anyway? So much BS on both sides and the average American turns into know-it-all pundit for their party or position where one party is going to save the world no problem and the other will destroy it...BS. The president is only one man (or woman.) No matter who wins, and it looks like Obama, but it is closer I believe than the networks who seem to support him are showing, this winner is going to have a very difficult few years after the initial honeymoon and all the promises that have been thrown out there, which can not possibly be met w/o drastic sacrifices in other areas, are going to probably deflate his/her supporters when they eventually come to pass...undone...unaccomplished...and dare I say....unchanged. I can't blame the candidates so much, it is not them that annoys me, but rather every F'n blogger and water-cooler Brainiac that has all the answers and obviously their candidate agrees with them 100% of the time...? Really? Sure. These guys are so different, they don't even tee off from the same country club in the same foursome...


Should we break out the violins for you?

Nobody is expecting utopia, most of us would just be happy to have an executive branch that doesn’t practice torture.

And I’ve got to say that your whine about how nothing ever changes is just so much blind stupidity that it is really very hard not to hunt down your isp, find out your address, fly out to your house, meet you at your door and beat you thoroughly with a rolled up copy of the Federalist Papers.


Of course things change under different Presidents.

On the one hand you get things like Eisenhower integrating the schools while on the other you have George W Bush deciding that the Constitution is optional.

Our entire way of life is affected by the president and you need to wake up and recognize where you are living.

Your cynicism isn’t impressive, it isn’t wry, and it isn’t wise or knowing, it’s just a pathetic baa of sheepish apathy.

[Spike-X]

Your cynicism isn’t impressive, it isn’t wry, and it isn’t wise or knowing, it’s just a pathetic baa of sheepish apathy.

But it is easier than having to actually think about stuff.

[the4thpip]

http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/10/30/boll/story.gif

[ShaunN]

Dear Friends,

HI! Here's an interesting column by Nicholas Kristof in today's NYT. It discusses research into how Americans perceived Barack Obama, as affected by his race. It's interesting stuff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/opinion/30kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

One of the conclusions of this research, that most Americans see "American" as a person of white skin is not surprising. I suspect is how most of the world perceives the "average American", though I also think that many people outside the US would also see African Americans as distinctively American too.

This kind of shortcut thinking is hardly restricted to Americans. Several years ago, I went to Southeast Asia for the first time to conduct interviews for my dissertation. I had about 30 interviews lined up in 6 countries. In every single case (with one exception) the people I was interviewing, at some point, asked me about my ethnic/racial background. They had known they were going to be interviewed by a Canadian scholar, and they had all assumed that "Canadian" meant white skin. When I walked in, they were all taken aback. In the case of the one fellow who did not ask about my background, I raised the point with him myself - he was one of my last interviews, so the fact that he had not asked stood out. He replied that he had thought about asking me but decided against it.

I did not find any of this offensive, just very interesting. Of course, it's quite different from the Obama situation described in the article. I am a bit surprised, to be honest - I would have thought that African Americans would be seen as "American" by most people, even if only as a particular category of American. I suspect that there may be subtleties at work here that the research does not count. Perhaps "foreign" also means "different" and it is the nature of that difference that matters.

Sincerely,

Shaun

[Alexx1]

In addition...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_concedes_Obama_no_socialist.html?showall



Looks like he's trying to have it both ways and failing in his attempt to do so.

Just like he infers Obama is a terriorist, pals around with terrorist, then when the ignorant old lady stands up and says 'I don't trust Obama because he's Arab', McCain wants to say 'No he's a decent guy. I have a lot of respect for him'. I've lost ALL respest for McCain because of the way he's played up peoples prejudices and played into peoples fears and has allowed Pallin to basicly hold hate rallies. This man really has sold his soul and tarnished much of his legacy imo.

[BnL]

And then there's this bit of news about McCain attending an event sponsored by ACORN two years ago (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall), even though he's now trying to demonize Obama for having ties to the organization.

[Infra-Man]

Elizabeth Dole pulls a Michelle Bachmann in her North Carolina Senate race, calls her opponent, Kay Hagan, "godless."

Problem: Kay Hagan is a regular churchgoer and teaches Sunday School, and the voice in the ad is not Kay Hagan.

Problem for Dole: This ad makes her look like a total fucking douchebag.

http://www.wbt.com/news/details.cfm?article_id=44159

Hagan threatens legal action against Dole's "godless" ad
Five days before the election, there are threats of legal action in North Carolina's U.S. Senate race.

An ultimatum has been given to Elizabeth Dole: Take down the ad within 24 hours, or challenger Kay Hagan will ask a judge to grant a cease-and-desist order.

The ad looks at a September fundraiser for Hagan held in the Boston home of an atheist activist.

"She... took godless money," the commercial claims. "What did she promise in return?"

What follows is what has Hagan most upset. An image of Hagan is displayed while viewers hear another woman claim "There is no God."

"Elizabeth Dole should be absolutely ashamed of herself," Hagan told reporters Wednesday.

The fundraiser's organizer says the event had nothing to do with his atheist group, the Godless Americans Political Action Committee.

Dole defended the ad Wednesday, calling the fundraiser fair game.

"That is simply putting out the truth of the visit to Boston, and taking money from people who represent these views," Dole said.

The commercial includes clips of atheists appearing on cable news shows. One man talks about his desire to remove references to God in government.

The latest polls in the U.S. Senate race show Dole, who is seeking a second-term, trailing Hagan.

Man... talk about despicable desperation. Dole deserves to lose for these tactics alone. Here's the ad in question, which is so over the top it seems like a parody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-7Itc3kTo

[KevinTBrown]

Oh, and no talk of McCain's RNC speech delaying the start of the NFL season...?????
It would be nice if somebody on TV brought that up. :biggrin:

I must admit, Rachel Maddow mentioned it on her show. :wink:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

WTF?

The race is tightening again, and this is just after the 30 minute infomercial?

[the4thpip]

WTF?

The race is tightening again, and this is just after the 30 minute infomercial?

You really think ANY of the polls out today include calls done after the infomercial?

The tracking polls are all done over a 3 day range.

[the4thpip]

And even so, Rasmussen and Reuters both have Obama doing 2 points better than yesterday, so I am not sure what you are talking about. The other national polls aren't even out for the day.

[the4thpip]

On a related note, I wish RCP did not include the GWU/Battleground in their national average. That poll ONLY polls battleground states, which are SUPPOSED to be closer than the others, so of course the average of that is going to be closer than a real national poll that includes places like CA, NY and NJ.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Elizabeth Dole pulls a Michelle Bachmann in her North Carolina Senate race, calls her opponent, Kay Hagan, "godless."

Problem: Kay Hagan is a regular churchgoer and teaches Sunday School, and the voice in the ad is not Kay Hagan.

Problem for Dole: This ad makes her look like a total fucking douchebag.

http://www.wbt.com/news/details.cfm?article_id=44159



Man... talk about despicable desperation. Dole deserves to lose for these tactics alone. Here's the ad in question, which is so over the top it seems like a parody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-7Itc3kTo

Ha ha ha ha ha.... ok thats funny. Its something from like MadTV in a way. All they need is for Hagan to be seen in a witches robe and all.:tongue:

WTF?

The race is tightening again, and this is just after the 30 minute infomercial?

If you listen to the McCain camp who claim its a close election and he's close...then yes. But if you read every statistical poll and actually see that he's losing to Obama by a good percentage. The only state he's close in is Florida. And its a fight there.

Obama leads in Ohio , Virginia , North Carolina and Penn state. Those 4 states. Its been said McCain would need to win 4 of the 5 states listed to get the election.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And even so, Rasmussen and Reuters both have Obama doing 2 points better than yesterday, so I am not sure what you are talking about. The other national polls aren't even out for the day.

The commercial could be the knockout punch now. The blue collar people only need to see that to think....well Obama cares.

[KevinTBrown]

Rasmussen's polls must be taken with a grain of salt. They're assuming the exact same turnout as in 2004. They're not figuring in, say, the million more registered Democrats than Republicans in North Carolina.

So their numbers are wildly inaccurate.

[Infra-Man]

btw, those "Don't vote" commercials with the celebrities? Fucking stupid.

The most recent one is only 10% good because they waste too much time doing the sarcastic bit at the beginning and it goes on too long and gets annoying. There's a good 30 second commercial in it, but at 4 minutes, it's like a lingering fart in the living room.

[Paul McEnery]

Rasmussen's polls must be taken with a grain of salt. They're assuming the exact same turnout as in 2004. They're not figuring in, say, the million more registered Democrats than Republicans in North Carolina.

So their numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Well, not so much inaccurate as understated, I think.

Which is fine by me. The last thing the Obama campaign needs right now is complacency.

[suttercain]

Elizabeth Dole pulls a Michelle Bachmann in her North Carolina Senate race, calls her opponent, Kay Hagan, "godless."

Problem: Kay Hagan is a regular churchgoer and teaches Sunday School, and the voice in the ad is not Kay Hagan.

Problem for Dole: This ad makes her look like a total fucking douchebag.

http://www.wbt.com/news/details.cfm?article_id=44159



Man... talk about despicable desperation. Dole deserves to lose for these tactics alone. Here's the ad in question, which is so over the top it seems like a parody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-7Itc3kTo

I agree I think this is very misleading and is slanderous.

My question is why do people care? If someone believes in God or if someone doesn't believe in God we should keep it out of politics.

[Infra-Man]

The last thing the Obama campaign needs right now is complacency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o

[KevinTBrown]

Only cause it's a great comparison, here's what Oct. 30, 2004 looked like electorally-speaking:

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 243 Bush 280

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Pngs/Oct30.png


The end result was Bush had 286 electoral votes to Kerry's 251.



And here's what it looks like today:

Obama 375 McCain 157 Ties 6

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Oct30.png


The end result will be........?

[Infra-Man]

My question is why do people care? If someone believes in God or if someone doesn't believe in God we should keep it out of politics.

Many American Christians believe that agnostics and atheists have no ethics or moral compass; and they think the same of non-Christians, as evidenced by the pejorative use of "Muslim" this year.

[the4thpip]

Rasmussen's polls must be taken with a grain of salt. They're assuming the exact same turnout as in 2004. They're not figuring in, say, the million more registered Democrats than Republicans in North Carolina.

So their numbers are wildly inaccurate.

They actually have adjusted their turnout model to a larger number of registered democrats. They do that every month based on some polling.

[KevinTBrown]

They actually have adjusted their turnout model to a larger number of registered democrats. They do that every month based on some polling.

Not according to MSNBC last night.

Both Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews mentioned it.

The current poll that has a 3 point spread is using '04 turnout numbers according to them.

[stealthwise]

They actually have adjusted their turnout model to a larger number of registered democrats. They do that every month based on some polling.

Did they ever take into account the fact that a lot of younger voters (who appear more like to support Obama) use cell phones a lot more than land lines? I remember people talking about that before.

[Nick Soapdish]

It can only happen if a candidate gets the kind of funds Obama got from donations from regular citizens all round the country.

There's in my opinion no way a Republican (charismatic they could be) could ever pull that off.

No, they could. All they need is to get lots of donations from somewhere. And Republicans can be very popular with everyone. The current crop just isn't doing a good job of that.

Did they ever take into account the fact that a lot of younger voters (who appear more like to support Obama) use cell phones a lot more than land lines? I remember people talking about that before.

I'm not sure how they can take it into account. I heard one pollster on NPR lamenting that there are a lot of people that they simply aren't able to ask questions and don't have any information. So they have to hope that the people that they can't contact are similar to the people that they can.

[Corrina]

Someone fill me in: my understanding is that they're basing who's voting for who in the early balloting on how many ballots received are from Republicans and how many from Democrats.

If so, then projecting from that is quite shaky. You have the possibility that people who voted Republican last election and changed their view of the party without changing their party affiliation (which is a pain) are voting for Obama.

And there's the possibility that a few registered Democrats could have reasons to vote against Obama--possibly racist reasons, I guess.

I don't know. I'm not paying attention to any polling whatsoever, other than that Obama certainly is not out of it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

And there's the possibility that a few registered Democrats could have reasons to vote against Obama--possibly racist reasons, I guess.
Or any of those idiots that were pro-Hillary and so are going to vote for McCain because their candidate didn't get chosen as homecoming queen.

[the4thpip]

Not according to MSNBC last night.

Both Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews mentioned it.

The current poll that has a 3 point spread is using '04 turnout numbers according to them.

Did they ever take into account the fact that a lot of younger voters (who appear more like to support Obama) use cell phones a lot more than land lines? I remember people talking about that before.

What Rasmussen does is weigh their polls by what they perceive to be the percentages of Democrats to Republicans in the population, as can be seen here (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_rasmussen_reports_partisan_weighting_targets_4 0_0_democrat_32_8_republican).

What they don't do (or at least they don't give us that information... no polling company likes to make their turnout model public) is expanding their turnout model (as Gallup did) by including people who are too young to have voted in the past 2 elections by considering people as likely voters based solely on current intent to vote, not past voting history.

[the4thpip]

Someone fill me in: my understanding is that they're basing who's voting for who in the early balloting on how many ballots received are from Republicans and how many from Democrats.

If so, then projecting from that is quite shaky. You have the possibility that people who voted Republican last election and changed their view of the party without changing their party affiliation (which is a pain) are voting for Obama.

And there's the possibility that a few registered Democrats could have reasons to vote against Obama--possibly racist reasons, I guess.

I don't know. I'm not paying attention to any polling whatsoever, other than that Obama certainly is not out of it.

Yeah, I pointed out a few pages ago that Florida is full of registered Democrats who voted for Bush in 2004. But that seems to be a typical FL Dem thing.

[Buzz Dixon]

Nobody is expecting utopia, most of us would just be happy to have an executive branch that doesn’t practice torture.Quoted because it bears repeating as often as possible.

[Paul McEnery]

I don't really have anything to say at this time.

I just wanted to be part of Page 666.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I don't really have anything to say at this time.

I just wanted to be part of Page 666.


You do realise that you´ve just compromised your chances of getting the republican vote if you ever run for presidency, right? ^_^

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I don't really have anything to say at this time.

I just wanted to be part of Page 666.

It annoys me to no end to know how much we think alike.

[AllisterH]

I'm just putting this out there since I believe this thread needs more "thumbs up from Herc" images.:biggrin: :biggrin:

[Tetsuo_man]

I don't really have anything to say at this time.

I just wanted to be part of Page 666.

It annoys me to no end to know how much we think alike.

Ditto...and sorta creepy...well not really...more wish I had pointed it out first...

[Buzz Dixon]

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE has a funny comment on voting:

http://wttf.org/2008/10/29/november-4th-surprise/

But the priceless part is in the comment below:

Sarah Palin would definitely be crystal Pepsi. We can see right through her, and she’ll be gone before you know it.

[KevinTBrown]

And to the Senate goes the loser:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081030/pl_politico/15101

Based on how both campaigns have been run, I can see McCain being extremely bitter, while Obama would do all he could to work McCain.

[the4thpip]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz sums up the state of the Republican party well in this clip:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=SNjLfMdJiM0

[Paul McEnery]

It annoys me to no end to know how much we think alike.

I've got the beers in if you bring the tin foil hats!

[Paul McEnery]

Ditto...and sorta creepy...well not really...more wish I had pointed it out first...

And you can bring the weenies!

[CutterMike]

Jeez, Paul -- You want MORE weenies hanging around here?!!?

[Paul McEnery]

Jeez, Paul -- You want MORE weenies hanging around here?!!?

So long as I get to poke them all the way through with cocktail sticks, yes.

[Major Comma]

I too wish to drink the 666 Kool Aid , even though its CURSED!

[Spike-X]

At 40 posts per page, we're only on page 250.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

I too wish to drink the 666 Kool Aid , even though its CURSED!

Meaningful number--I just really hope Obama is the Anti-Christ, and the Rapture is real. That way, all the hopelessly brainwashed will teleport to a faux-"Poltergeist"-like Heaven with Nineteenth Century Preacher John Nelson Darby masquerading as Jehovah, and the rest of humankind can evolve.:biggrin:

[KevinTBrown]

At 40 posts per page, we're only on page 250.

I'm more impressed that we'll pass 10,000 posts! :eek: :smile:

[Black Atom]

Fake Flyer Instructs Democrats in Virginia to Vote on the 5th

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/28/politics/horserace/entry4554416.shtml

Those scamps.

[Nick Soapdish]

Yeah, I pointed out a few pages ago that Florida is full of registered Democrats who voted for Bush in 2004. But that seems to be a typical FL Dem thing.

Fake Flyer Instructs Democrats in Virginia to Vote on the 5th

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/28/politics/horserace/entry4554416.shtml

Those scamps.


I'd guess it was a joke like Obama's similar statement in Colorado (which he immediately explained as being a joke), but I think that a joke would've made moer of an effort to get the spelling right.

[TCJohnson]

Fake Flyer Instructs Democrats in Virginia to Vote on the 5th

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/28/politics/horserace/entry4554416.shtml

Those scamps.


It should be noted that Virginia is one of the few states where giving out misleading information about an election is a crime.

[TomStillwell]

More McCain campaign scumbaggery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rick-sanchez-v-michael-go_n_139357.html

GOLDFARB: Yes, he pals around with William Ayers.

SANCHEZ: No, no, the question I asked you is that can you name one other person who he hangs around with who is anti-Semitic? Because that is what you said.

GOLDFARB: Look, we know there are people who Barack Obama has been in hot water--

SANCHEZ: Michael, I asked you the name one person. One.

GOLDFARB: Rick --

SANCHEZ: You said he hangs around with people who are anti-Semitic. Okay. Khalidi and name other people that we all know about?

GOLDFARB: And rick, we both know who number two is.

SANCHEZ: Who? Would you tell us?

GOLDFARB: No, Rick, I think we all know who we are talking about here.

[Royal]

Damn.

They found out Obama's a Gallifrean.

SHIT!!

[KevinTBrown]

More McCain campaign scumbaggery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rick-sanchez-v-michael-go_n_139357.html
GOLDFARB: Yes, he pals around with William Ayers.

SANCHEZ: No, no, the question I asked you is that can you name one other person who he hangs around with who is anti-Semitic? Because that is what you said.

GOLDFARB: Look, we know there are people who Barack Obama has been in hot water--

SANCHEZ: Michael, I asked you the name one person. One.

GOLDFARB: Rick --

SANCHEZ: You said he hangs around with people who are anti-Semitic. Okay. Khalidi and name other people that we all know about?

GOLDFARB: And rick, we both know who number two is.

SANCHEZ: Who? Would you tell us?

GOLDFARB: No, Rick, I think we all know who we are talking about here.

Even more fun to watch: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x229847


:biggrin:

[KevinTBrown]

Damn.

They found out Obama's a Gallifrean.

SHIT!!

Ummmm.... Who????








:wink:

[stealthwise]

I'm more impressed that we'll pass 10,000 posts! :eek: :smile:

A lot of it's one-sentence spam.