2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega thread

[Kyuubi]

Keith Olbermann had a "campaign comment" about Palin having FOUR chances to get it right. 4! You would have thought after the first embarassment she would have made an effort to get it right. But after 4 attempts she remains completely clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EVVI6_k8bg



Yeah, but. . . c'mon. . .



She's so pretty.

[kingdom2000]

Yeah, but. . . c'mon. . .
She's so pretty.

LOL. What it proves is she is completly intellectual incurious. Like Bush. Someone called her Bush in drag and crap like this just supports the notion. No wonder the base, racists and idiots love her so much.

[the4thpip]

Poll: Obama opens biggest lead over McCain


WASHINGTON - With voters’ increased confidence in his ability to serve as commander in chief, as well as a majority who now believe he would do a good job as president, Barack Obama has opened up his biggest advantage over John McCain in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

With two weeks to go until Election Day, Obama now leads his Republican rival by 10 points among registered voters, 52 to 42 percent, up from 49 to 43 percent two weeks ago.

Obama’s current lead is also fueled by his strength among independent voters (topping McCain 49 to 37 percent), suburban voters (53 to 41), Catholics (50 to 44) and white women (49 to 45).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/

[the4thpip]

Paging Ms Novaya Havoc:

“Obama’s beginning to meet a threshold of acceptance among voters.”

Palin’s drag on the ticket?
That doesn’t appear to be the case with McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin. Fifty-five percent of respondents say she’s not qualified to serve as president if the need arises, up five points from the previous poll.

In addition, for the first time, more voters have a negative opinion of her than a positive one. In the survey, 47 percent view her negatively, versus 38 percent who see her in a positive light.

That’s a striking shift since McCain chose Palin as his running mate in early September, when she held a 47 to 27 percent positive rating.

Now, Palin’s qualifications to be president rank as voters’ top concern about McCain’s candidacy - ahead of continuing President Bush’s policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq.

from same article

[Tobias March]

LOL. What it proves is she is completly intellectual incurious. Like Bush. Someone called her Bush in drag and crap like this just supports the notion. No wonder the base, racists and idiots love her so much.

It was Naomi Klein....and I saw a newspaper here in Sydney that used it as a compliment. She's received quite a bit of support from the media here and members of the Liberal (centre-right) party, I've been quite surprised.

[BnL]

Ouch. That's just painful to watch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs&eurl=http://www.americablog.com/)

[the4thpip]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has expanded his national lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race to 10 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Obama leads McCain 52 percent to 42 percent among likely U.S. voters in the latest three-day tracking poll, up from an 8-point advantage for Obama on Tuesday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

It was the third consecutive day Obama gained ground on McCain as the two begin the final sprint to the November 4 election.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49J0LF20081022

[the4thpip]

RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html)

It would be pretty much a non-story if they hadn't raised such a hubbub about Clinton's and Edwards' haircuts in the past...

[BnL]

RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html)

It would be pretty much a non-story if they hadn't raised such a hubbub about Clinton's and Edwards' haircuts in the past...

Or if they didn't try to pawn her off as a "Joe Six-Pack" Everyman.

[Matt Doc Martin]

I'm more surprised by the endorsements listed on Wikipedia.

McCain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_John_McCain_presidential_campaign_endorsem ents)

Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_endorsements)

I don't care about most of these people. Most of them are politicians endorsing the person in their party or celebrities.

But what really jumps out at me is the number of groups that have endorsed McCain (and been added to the site).

I'll go ahead and list them here.

The National Rifle Association

Obama has 33. Part of that is just laziness on the part of McCain supporters. Surely, they can find some sort of pro-life organizations that have endorsed him. Or the Discovery Institute. Heck, I know that the Maine Snowmobile Association endorsed them so add that.


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McCain got a new endorsement:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VA3B80&show_article=1

[Infra-Man]

Ouch. That's just painful to watch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs&eurl=http://www.americablog.com/)

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/MCAINFAIL.jpg

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Daily Show decided to go to Alaska and find out what Wasilla´s mayor does that would qualify her for prez.
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Not much.:biggrin:

Yep saw that on Monday. It completely killed the whole "I made more decisions as Mayor than Obama did as some rinky dink community counsler."

Keith Olbermann had a "campaign comment" about Palin having FOUR chances to get it right. 4! You would have thought after the first embarassment she would have made an effort to get it right. But after 4 attempts she remains completely clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EVVI6_k8bg

Yeah, but. . . c'mon. . .



She's so pretty.

I wonder if McCain realizes that she pretty much cost him big time ?

LOL. What it proves is she is completly intellectual incurious. Like Bush. Someone called her Bush in drag and crap like this just supports the notion. No wonder the base, racists and idiots love her so much.

Well a lot of the common man/woman are basic idiots or rubes and they eat up people like Bush and Palin . Because they feel "Hey their like us...if we were in office !"

It sucks but some think that.

Paging Ms Novaya Havoc:



from same article

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/MCAINFAIL.jpg


He was on the Political thread on the community board. He was more pissed the media was looking into "Joe the Plumber" and had some crazy thing about how Palin was a target of some blog for sexism. It was pretty funny.

[the4thpip]

He was on the Political thread on the community board. He was more pissed the media was looking into "Joe the Plumber" and had some crazy thing about how Palin was a target of some blog for sexism. It was pretty funny.

And she once again clarified that she is a woman now.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7738301&postcount=7971

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And she once again clarified that she is a woman now.

No he said he was a guy I believe. He went on to say he supported Hillary Clinton ...and even we all asked what policies Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton shared to make the leap to support her. I don't know if he ever really gave a reason. Beyond "Palin is a woman and Obama cheated Michigan !"

[Buzz Dixon]

I don't wanna jinx anything, and Zogby is not the most accurate of polls, but...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1604.html

[the4thpip]

I don't wanna jinx anything, and Zogby is not the most accurate of polls, but...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1604.html

Look a little further up on the page, Buzz....

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I don't wanna jinx anything, and Zogby is not the most accurate of polls, but...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1604.html

Sorry, but I´m not buying any more polls.

It´s not over til Oprah sings, so I´ll only rest when I see the O sitting in the oval office.

[Major Comma]

Speaking of polls
watch out for the exit polls on election day .
Sometimes they are wrong.

[Alexx1]

Very funny:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Obama dances for Ellen:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/22/obama.dances.for.ellen.warnerbros

[KevinTBrown]

McCain got a new endorsement:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VA3B80&show_article=1

There's more to it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?nav%3Drss_world&sub=AR

[Matt Doc Martin]

There's more to it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?nav%3Drss_world&sub=AR

That should help McCain's poll numbers.

[mattx110]

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/MCAINFAIL.jpgWhat do we have against cute asian chicks?



Oh, there's McCain too. hehe, didn't see him there.

[the4thpip]

CNN reporter waits 3 hours on voting line in Florida (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_reporter_waits_3_hours_to_1021.html)

[Kid Kamikaze10]

What do we have against cute asian chicks?



Oh, there's McCain too. hehe, didn't see him there.


Isn't that McCain's daughter?

[FalconX2000]

Keith Olbermann had a "campaign comment" about Palin having FOUR chances to get it right. 4! You would have thought after the first embarassment she would have made an effort to get it right. But after 4 attempts she remains completely clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EVVI6_k8bg

Tahahahahahaaha!

Ouch. That's just painful to watch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs&eurl=http://www.americablog.com/)

Pftthahahahahahahahahahahaha!

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/MCAINFAIL.jpg

EPIC LOL.

[Stressfactor]

McCain takes a poke at his own party for "picking" on Sarah Palin.... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14820.html

Translation: "What do you WANT from me?! For god's sake -- I picked someone who 'appealed to the base' just like you told me to!"

The part I can't believe is: "She is the most popular governor in America"... Really? REALLY?!?!?! I mean, out of ALL the 50 states -- SHE'S the most popular governor in America? Above say, Bobby Jindle of Louisiana, or Kathleen Sebilius of Kansas?! Even if McCain had amended that to say "most popular REPUBLICAN governor in America I couldn't believe it considering that, before he picked the damn woman I hadn't even HEARD of her and at least I'd HEARD of Republican governors like Jindle, Schwarzenager, Charlie Crist, Sonny Perdue, Mitch Daniels, and Tim Pawlenty

[king mob]

For us lot living the UK there's going to be some serious coverage of the election.

Details here. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/22/tvnews-uselections2008)

[Royal]

For us lot living the UK there's going to be some serious coverage of the election.

Details here. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/22/tvnews-uselections2008)

So it's going to be skittles and red bull for you too, eh?

[Buzz Dixon]

AdAge conducted an interesting survey:

http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=131912

Barack Obam = BMW, James Bond, Target, Google
John McClain = Ford, Jack Bauer, Wal-Mart, AOL

[KevinTBrown]

AdAge conducted an interesting survey:

http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=131912

Barack Obam = BMW, James Bond, Target, Google
John McClain = Ford, Matt Helm, Wal-Mart, AOL

Corrected that for you.


No fucking way is McCain like Jack Bauer.

[GozertheGozarian]

Reckless pro-turture egomaniac? I can see it.

Helps that Keifer has endorsed him.

[the4thpip]

An analysis of the Bradley Effect. (http://frontrowreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/breaking-down-bradley-effect-or-myth.html)

[KevinTBrown]

An analysis of the Bradley Effect. (http://frontrowreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/breaking-down-bradley-effect-or-myth.html)

Once again, the Bradley Effect on a national level has never been measured and is more than likely a non-issue. By now, the effect would be rearing its ugly head and the poll numbers would be dropping.

[Evan Waters]

Once again, the Bradley Effect on a national level has never been measured and is more than likely a non-issue. By now, the effect would be rearing its ugly head and the poll numbers would be dropping.

In theory, the Bradley Effect is that polls are high but when people get into the voting booth they chicken out and vote for the white guy.

The problem with that is that there's no real scientific proof of this, it's just that a few elections turned against black candidates who were ahead in the polls. And if it did exist then that's no evidence that it exists to the same degree now. It's also been mentioned that people who don't want to vote for Obama because of race but don't want to say it can use some other reason and still be counted in the McCain column.

Obama's wise not to ignore the possibility- the campaign is not acting complacent about anything, which is good. They're looking at all potential spoilers- Bradley, vote tampering, etc.- and responding fairly quickly. Hopefully they'll build enough of a lead that Bradley and Diebold and so on won't be enough to steal this. Fingers crossed, knock on wood, etc.

[SnakeEyes]

I am for McCain over Obama. More so for that McCain has more experience when it comes to matters of war or international affairs. Otherwise National matters Obama is pretty good. May the best win!

[The Mutt]

If I crashed my car and got put in jail for five years, would that qualify me to be Secretary of Transportation?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

If I crashed my car four times times and got put in jail for five years, would that qualify me to be Secretary of Transportation?

Fixed it for you. ^_^

[the4thpip]

Once again, the Bradley Effect on a national level has never been measured and is more than likely a non-issue. By now, the effect would be rearing its ugly head and the poll numbers would be dropping.

The article I linked to pretty much said it doesn't exist.

[Kevinroc]

A little earlier in this thread we discussed how Al-Qaeda wants McCain to win. Well, it seems that McCain's advisers are freaking out over that and don't understand at all why Al-Qaeda wants McCain to be the President.

http://washingtonindependent.com/14218/mccain-advisers-freaked-out-by-al-qaeda-preference-for-mccain

[the4thpip]

There is something seriously wrong with this poll:
http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf

Interview dates: October 16-20, 2008
Interviews: 1,101 adults; 800 likely voters

Total Respondents: Obama 47, McCain 37
Likely Voters: Obama 44, McCain 43

I'm sorry, but you don't take 800 of 1100 respondetns and have Obama's lead shrink to 1/10. Somebody must not have carried a two or something. It's practically impossible.

[LtMarvel]

McCain takes a poke at his own party for "picking" on Sarah Palin.... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14820.html

Translation: "What do you WANT from me?! For god's sake -- I picked someone who 'appealed to the base' just like you told me to!"

The part I can't believe is: "She is the most popular governor in America"... Really? REALLY?!?!?! I mean, out of ALL the 50 states -- SHE'S the most popular governor in America? Above say, Bobby Jindle of Louisiana, or Kathleen Sebilius of Kansas?! Even if McCain had amended that to say "most popular REPUBLICAN governor in America I couldn't believe it considering that, before he picked the damn woman I hadn't even HEARD of her and at least I'd HEARD of Republican governors like Jindle, Schwarzenager, Charlie Crist, Sonny Perdue, Mitch Daniels, and Tim Pawlenty
I may be wrong, but I took "most popular" to be "highest approval ratings"!

[Stressfactor]

I may be wrong, but I took "most popular" to be "highest approval ratings"!
That MAY have been true when he picked her but her approval ratings have dropped since then so it isn't true anymore.

[KevinTBrown]

Republicans - Blank minds think alike.

[the4thpip]

http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2008/10/22/knig/story.gif

[Buzz Dixon]

I may be wrong, but I took "most popular" to be "highest approval ratings"!Not in high school. :wink: :rolleyes: :biggrin:

[Infra-Man]

The great David Sedaris on undecided voters

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/10/27/081027sh_shouts_sedaris?currentPage=1

To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Sedaris pretty much nailed it.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Obama, mind you, but he's such a vastly less-bad choice than McCain that I don't see there as really being anything to be undecided about.

I'd rather not have either a toothache or a gunshot wound to the scrotum, but if one has to choose between the two, the toothache is very much an easy choice.

[kingdom2000]

ACORN Article (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/index.html)

An interview with an ex-Acorn worker that spent three months in jail for fake registrations. Essentially he said what I assumed was the cause - managers that where more focused on quantity and then quality. The spreadsheet manager style that is dooming American businesses.

On a related note, they had an quote with a professor that pointed out the obvious - fake registrations isn't the same as people showing up as those fake people and voting. But then Repubs know this but any excuse under the sun to disenfranchise real voters.

[the4thpip]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's lead over Republican rival John McCain has grown to 12 points in the U.S. presidential race, with crucial independent and women voters increasingly moving to his side, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49J0LF20081023

http://photos.puresoulie.com/gordy7040.jpg

[KevinTBrown]

If it truly is a 12 point lead, that's a much larger lead than Kerry had in '04 at this point. It wasn't until that infmaous Oct. 31st tape the Kerry lost his lead.

Also, Obama is leading in states Kerry never did have a lead in. For Kerry, it was a statistical tie in OH and MO, but he did have a 5-7 point lead in FL on Oct. 30th. The only reason I remember that is because my wife and I were in Miami on Halloween, about to embark on a cruise that left on Nov. 1, and every newscast was "shoicked" by the lead he had. Then the video hit....... The rest is history.

[Matt Doc Martin]

If it truly is a 12 point lead, that's a much larger lead than Kerry had in '04 at this point. It wasn't until that infmaous Oct. 31st tape the Kerry lost his lead.

Also, Obama is leading in states Kerry never did have a lead in. For Kerry, it was a statistical tie in OH and MO, but he did have a 5-7 point lead in FL on Oct. 30th. The only reason I remember that is because my wife and I were in Miami on Halloween, about to embark on a cruise that left on Nov. 1, and every newscast was "shoicked" by the lead he had. Then the video hit....... The rest is history.

I hate polls.

I am hooked on news and watch poll numbers from all over, and they are all over themselves. "He is up by 12! He is up by 1! He is already president!"

11/4 will be a long day for me, working at a polling location and praying Obama wins, and I don't even believe in god.

Polls suck. Votes count. GET OUT THE VOTE!

[Stressfactor]

11/4 will be a long day for me, working at a polling location and praying Obama wins, and I don't even believe in god.
That's okay, as the saying goes "There are no athiests in foxholes."

[KevinTBrown]

That's okay, as the saying goes "There are no athiests in foxholes."

Yep.

Thank God I'm an atheist.



:biggrin:

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yep.

Thank God I'm an atheist.



:biggrin:

Preach it, brother!

Testify!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

A little earlier in this thread we discussed how Al-Qaeda wants McCain to win. Well, it seems that McCain's advisers are freaking out over that and don't understand at all why Al-Qaeda wants McCain to be the President.

http://washingtonindependent.com/14218/mccain-advisers-freaked-out-by-al-qaeda-preference-for-mccain

Yesterday on CNN, it appeared pretty cut and dry. Al Qaeda wants to stretch our military thin, and bankrupt America with pointless wars. McCain would serve this agenda as well as Bush, while Obama, temperamentally a 'Peacemaker', won't.

Al Qaeda's recruitment has benefited wildly from our policies of 'preemptive war', and occupation of foreign sovereignties for the last 6 to 8 years.

Can you say 'Mission Accomplished"--?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Yep.

Thank God I'm an atheist.



:biggrin:

Double post, so I want to say:

I should go to church dressed like my icon. Maybe complain about my skin burning.

[KevinTBrown]

Yesterday on CNN, it appeared pretty cut and dry. Al Qaeda wants to stretch our military thin, and bankrupt America with pointless wars. McCain would serve this agenda as well as Bush, while Obama, temperamentally a 'Peacemaker', won't.

Al Qaeda's recruitment has benefited wildly from our policies of 'preemptive war', and occupation of foreign sovereignties for the last 6 to 8 years.

Can you say 'Mission Accomplished"--?

2,003 days since that was uttered, by the way.....

[Stressfactor]

Yep.

Thank God I'm an atheist.



:biggrin:
When it comes to this election if you're living IN this country then you're in the damn foxhole with the rest of us!... hoping the shelling will stop and we can climb out after the election.

[KevinTBrown]

Hmmmmm.... In an area in which McCain was leading, Obama has pulled into a statistical tie: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081023/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_rural

[AllisterH]

Er, those Al-Qeada guys aren't that sharp are they? Wouldn't it make more sense to back Obama and thus "scare" Americans?

Obama since the primaries has been very open that he's going to ramp down troops if possible in Iraq (where Al-qaeda has a minimal prescence) but these self-same troops would be sent to Afghanistan (home base of Al-qaeda).

If I was an Al-qaeda leader, I would be praying for a McCain win and thus publicly put my support behind Obama since an Obama win is no good for my troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm wondering how many incursions into Pakistan the secular government there will tolerate. Even the Soviets weren't ballsy enough to go into Pakistan.

[Arrogantcur]

When it comes to this election if you're living IN this country then you're in the damn foxhole with the rest of us!... hoping the shelling will stop and we can climb out after the election.

I hope your foxhole is inside a polling place! :wink:

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Er, those Al-Qeada guys aren't that sharp are they? Wouldn't it make more sense to back Obama and thus "scare" Americans?

Obama since the primaries has been very open that he's going to ramp down troops if possible in Iraq (where Al-qaeda has a minimal prescence) but these self-same troops would be sent to Afghanistan (home base of Al-qaeda).

If I was an Al-qaeda leader, I would be praying for a McCain win and thus publicly put my support behind Obama since an Obama win is no good for my troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm wondering how many incursions into Pakistan the secular government there will tolerate. Even the Soviets weren't ballsy enough to go into Pakistan.

Actually, this is all falling into place--The Liberal/Socialist/Al Qaeda/CIA Conspiracy to throw all the really, REALLY white people/'REAL Americans' into Cheney's Shadow Government's Concentration Camps. Al Qaeda says they like McCain--then, in rebellion, America votes for Obama, who wants to establish a new golden age where everyone is equal under the law, and everyone, despite lack of privilege are given a fair shake. This enrages Racist, douchebag, corporate slavers and their Uber-Christian lapdogs (AKA the Republican Party), and the red states attempt to seceed. Those who aren't killed by the 'mud races' of our armies are imprisoned forever under the Patriot Acts 3 and 4, and are put into special work camps to be reeducated to become decent, non-sociopathic people--sans reproductive rights, of course.:biggrin:

[the4thpip]

The "L-word" raises its pretty head:

Latest polls point to Obama landslide
If some new polls out Wednesday and Thursday are any indication, then Barack Obama is on his way to a very big victory come Election Day.

On Wednesday, CNN released a new batch of polls from select battleground states. These numbers showed Obama leading by 5 percentage points in Nevada, 4 points in North Carolina, 4 points in Ohio and 10 points in Virginia. None of those results are surprising, given recent trends. But it remains a little shocking to see Obama leading in a state like North Carolina.

Thursday brought even better news for Democrats. Quinnipiac's latest numbers, from Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, show Obama losing a little bit of ground in Florida, leading John McCain in that state 49-44, compared with 51-43 at the beginning of this month. (That slide remains within the margin of error, so it's just as likely that the numbers haven't moved at all.) On the other hand, they also have Obama up 52-38 in Ohio and ahead 53-40 in Pennsylvania.

And the latest Big Ten Battleground Poll, which restricts itself to states that are home to a university in the Big Ten conference, has some truly astounding numbers. In Indiana, for example, this survey shows Obama up 10 points, 51-41. That's particularly shocking given that Indiana is a state most observers have expected to go for McCain. George W. Bush won it by 21 points in 2004, and as of a couple of weeks ago polls were showing McCain ahead there.

It's not so surprising to see Obama leading in the other states included in the Big Ten poll. But the extent to which he's leading in some of those states is remarkable: 13 points in Iowa, 22 in Michigan and 19 in Minnesota, for example.

"As we enter the home stretch, Sen. Obama is winning voter groups that no Democrat has carried in more than four decades, and he holds very solid leads in the big swing states. If these numbers hold up, he could win the biggest Democratic landslide since Lyndon Johnson in 1964," Peter Brown, the associate director of Quinnipiac, said in a statement accompanying his outfit's results. Certainly these other polls indicate a similar landslide as well.

But polling guru Nate Silver, blogging at the Plank, one of the New Republic's blogs, throws a little cold water on these numbers, providing some necessary perspective:

The thing to recognize about polls like these is that they may tell us less about the individual states and more about where the particular pollsters are calibrating the horse race. The numbers you see in our current state-by-state projections assume that Obama will ultimately prevail on election day by about 5 points. But what if Obama were to win by 10 or more points instead, where several pollsters now have the race? You'd probably see results which look something like these.

So the best way to regard these numbers is in the same way that you might have regarded the Pew poll from earlier this week, which had Obama at a +14 nationally. If you regarded that number as an outlier -- and I wouldn't blame you one bit if you did -- you should probably regard these numbers as outliers too. If you regarded that number not so much as an outlier but as a best-case scenario -- and that's how I tend to regard it -- you should probably regard these numbers as a best-case scenario also.

[Briareos]

Er, those Al-Qeada guys aren't that sharp are they? Wouldn't it make more sense to back Obama and thus "scare" Americans?

Obama since the primaries has been very open that he's going to ramp down troops if possible in Iraq (where Al-qaeda has a minimal prescence) but these self-same troops would be sent to Afghanistan (home base of Al-qaeda).

If I was an Al-qaeda leader, I would be praying for a McCain win and thus publicly put my support behind Obama since an Obama win is no good for my troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm wondering how many incursions into Pakistan the secular government there will tolerate. Even the Soviets weren't ballsy enough to go into Pakistan.

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

[Briareos]

Obama's website allows anyone to make a contribution Legal or not:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021856.php

[Michael P]

Gee, is it time for my mid-day tooth-brushing already?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Yeah, it's a good thing that dirty liberal Roosevelt wasn't in office then.

Oh, wait...

In reality, your statement above is stupid even by your own poor standards. Like McCain, your blithering attacks get more shrill and desperate by the day.

[KevinTBrown]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Briareos & Samurai - Blank minds think alike.














Yeah, I know, I used the line previously.... too good to not use again.

[KevinTBrown]

Early voting is bringing in HUGE numbers to date: http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1678048

It's also prompting the Republican party to start challenging those votes.... which is not going their way so far.

From the article: Perhaps the clearest sign of early voting's new prominence is the amount of litigation and legal posturing it has attracted.

In Indiana, Republicans challenged the opening of three satellite voting centers in Democrat-rich Lake County — a linchpin in Obama’s strategy to carry the state — citing fears of voting fraud. On Wednesday, the Indiana judge ruled to keep the centers open.

In Ohio, local Republicans — with the explicit approval of the McCain campaign — sued to allow observers at early voting locations after Democratic Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said they weren't mandated.

And late last week, also in Ohio, a judge in Hamilton County appointed a special prosecutor to investigate charges of voter fraud after Democrats accused county prosecutor Joe Deters of a conflict of interest and voter intimidation, forcing him to recuse himself from a grand jury investigation. Deters had launched the grand jury probe and subpoenaed the registration records of about one-third of the Cincinnati-area voters who took advantage of a one-week window in early October that allowed them to vote and register at the same time.

[Briareos]

Briareos & Samurai - Blank minds think alike.














Yeah, I know, I used the line previously.... too good to not use again.


This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

[Evan Waters]

This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

He's voting for Sarah Palin?

[KevinTBrown]

This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

He's voting for Sarah Palin?

Arguments are getting weaker and weaker as the Pubs lose their way....

:tongue:

[Michael P]

He's voting for Sarah Palin?

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

[Infra-Man]

This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1398/542389855_811a187e7b.jpg (http://www.sadtrombone.com/)
click pic for fail sound

[Buzz Dixon]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...:rolleyes:

[Buzz Dixon]

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/poc/2008/poc081023.gif



(...and if the pic doesn't come across: http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/poc/2008/poc081023.gif )

[Tobias March]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

I speak German........and French. And Gaelic.

Anyhoo - taken from popbitch:

>> Republican food stamps <<
Obama, fried chicken, watermelon

Not everyone in California is a liberal. Meet
Diane Fedele and the Chaffey Community Republican
Women's group. They sent out a newsletter last
week showing a fake $10 “food stamp” with Barack
Obama’s face on it... alongside a watermelon,
ribs and fried chicken. But of course this wasn't
racist. Oh no. As Diane said after, it was all
Obama's fault for claiming he doesn't look like
all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

"It was strictly an attempt to point out the
outrageousness of his statement", claimed
Fedele. Of course.

The food stamp:
http://tinyurl.com/3zbgw5

[Stressfactor]

I speak German........and French. And Gaelic.

Anyhoo - taken from popbitch:

>> Republican food stamps <<
Obama, fried chicken, watermelon

Not everyone in California is a liberal. Meet
Diane Fedele and the Chaffey Community Republican
Women's group. They sent out a newsletter last
week showing a fake $10 “food stamp” with Barack
Obama’s face on it... alongside a watermelon,
ribs and fried chicken. But of course this wasn't
racist. Oh no. As Diane said after, it was all
Obama's fault for claiming he doesn't look like
all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

"It was strictly an attempt to point out the
outrageousness of his statement", claimed
Fedele. Of course.

The food stamp:
http://tinyurl.com/3zbgw5

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... that one's old news around here. In fact, the woman responsible for the image recently resigned her post.

Lastest Rep to open her mouth and insert a foot is Marcia Stirman Chairperson of the New Mexico Women's GOP group. She wrote an editorial which got put in the local paper in which she said "I believe Muslims are our enemies" among other things. She also repeated the crap about Obama being a Muslim.

When she was asked about what she wrote she told an AP reporter: "I don't trust them at all. They've sworn across the world that they are our enemies. Why we're trying to elect one is beside me ... I still have freedom of speech and an opinion. If the Islamic group doesn't like it, well, I don't like what's going on in their camp, either."

Story here: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/23/muslim_socialist/index.html

An Islamic-American Understanding group had called for the Republican party to condemn the statement.

The Republican party is really starting to have what I like to call a "Jeff Foxworthy" problem. Comedian Jeff Foxworthy had a part of his routine in which he said "People from the South aren't stupid, we just can't keep the dumbest among us from being on television." For 'South' now substitute "Republican".

[Crowley]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fake_America_located.html#comments
Fake America located
In tonight's NBC News interview with Brian Williams, McCain explains that the "elites" are located in D.C. and New York City:

WILLIAMS: Who is a member of the elite?

PALIN: Oh, I guess just people who think that they're better than anyone else. And-- John McCain and I are so committed to serving every American. Hard-working, middle-class Americans who are so desiring of this economy getting put back on the right track. And winning these wars. And America's starting to reach her potential. And that is opportunity and hope provided everyone equally. So anyone who thinks that they are-- I guess-- better than anyone else, that's-- that's my definition of elitism.

WILLIAMS: So it's not education? It's not income-based? It's--

PALIN: Anyone who thinks that they're better than someone else.

WILLIAMS: --a state of mind? It's not geography?

PALIN: 'Course not.

WILLIAMS: Senator?

MCCAIN: I-- I know where a lot of 'em live. (LAUGH)

WILLIAMS: Where's that?

MCCAIN: Well, in our nation's capital and New York City. I've seen it. I've lived there. I know the town. I know-- I know what a lot of these elitists are. The ones that she never went to a cocktail party with in Georgetown. I'll be very frank with you. Who think that they can dictate what they believe to America rather than let Americans decide for themselves.

UPDATE: Numerous readers in those cities note that they were the targets on 9/11.

John McCain says that New York and DC are part of Fake America.
The two places where terrorists killed almost 4,000 innocent people.

FUCK YOU JOHN McCAIN!

[kingdom2000]

Eh, he lost New York anyway. In general, cities go Democrats, suburbs and towns go Republican. Its why they keep make the distinction between "real" and "fake" America. The only problem with their plan is probably many people work, live, and know people from "fake" America so trying to distort things into such black and white distinctions (a republican trademark) is unlikely to work except on the idiots and bigots that already support them.

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Are you mentally retarded, or homeschooled?

[Buzz Dixon]

Are you mentally retarded, or homeschooled?Hey, homeschooled kids are generally better educated than public school kids!

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Hey, homeschooled kids are generally better educated than public school kids!

That's assuming the home-teacher isn't in an apocalyptic survivalist cult, and has more than a third grade education.:biggrin:

[Infra-Man]

Are you mentally retarded, or homeschooled?

No, he's just a hardcore partisan, partisanship being one of the worst things to afflict the human mind. It makes you more forgetful than Alzheimers, more erratic than schizophrenia, more deranged than rabies, more unsavory than dementia, and conjures more warm drool than a full frontal lobotomy.

[darkhanamaru]

I haven't laughed out loud in awhile at work but the simpsons video here sure made me laugh


...and cringe


at the same time

http://pinkisthenewblog.com/home/

[mattx110]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fake_America_located.html#comments


John McCain says that New York and DC are part of Fake America.
The two places where terrorists killed almost 4,000 innocent people.

FUCK YOU JOHN McCAIN!
I was just gonna go with "what's the irony hypocrite quotient of saying how you're better than all those nameless people who think they're better than everyone else?"

But then McCain named 'em. And apparently, I'm part of the elite. Sorry guys, I let you down.

[EdContradictory]

McCain doesn't seem to realize that he's not just running for President of the parts of America he likes.

Another way he's just like Bush.

[4PointOh]

Ron Howard and friends endorse Barack Obama:

http://sonofbaldwin.blogspot.com/2008/10/ron-howard-supports-barack-obama.html

[Tobias March]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... that one's old news around here. In fact, the woman responsible for the image recently resigned her post.


Darn popbitch has let me down again. Lots of mockery of Peaches Geldof this week though, so it's worth it :wink:

I can see now that selecting Obama at the Democratic Convention would have yielded gains for the party regardless. So many ugly attacks are being made upon him as regards his race that the Dems would've have become mobilised even if he were to be crushed by the Republican nominee. Thankfully they chose SpazzyMcGee.

[TomStillwell]

Here's a couple of really good articles.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks23-2008oct23,0,2845663.column

On Saturday, for instance, McCain advisor Nancy Pfotenhauer suggested that although northern Virginia may have "gone more Democratic," "real Virginia" (the "part of the state that's more Southern in nature") will be "very responsive" to McCain. Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) joined the chorus, telling the crowd at a McCain rally, "Liberals hate real Americans that work, and accomplish, and achieve, and believe in God."

Hayes, like Palin, later forswore his remarks, but on Tuesday in western Pennsylvania -- one of the few parts of the state where Barack Obama doesn't hold a clear lead -- McCain worked the same theme: Western Pennsylvania "is the most God-loving, most patriotic part of America."

The GOP code isn't hard to crack: There's the America that might vote for Obama (a suspect America populated by people with liberal notions, big-city ways and, no doubt, dark skin), and then there's the "real" America, where people live in small towns, believe in God and country, and are ... well ... white.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1853025,00.html

General David Petraeus deployed overwhelming force when he briefed Barack Obama and two other Senators in Baghdad last July. He knew Obama favored a 16-month timetable for the withdrawal of most U.S. troops from Iraq, and he wanted to make the strongest possible case against it. And so, after he had presented an array of maps and charts and PowerPoint slides describing the current situation on the ground in great detail, Petraeus closed with a vigorous plea for "maximum flexibility" going forward.

Obama had a choice at that moment. He could thank Petraeus for the briefing and promise to take his views "under advisement." Or he could tell Petraeus what he really thought, a potentially contentious course of action — especially with a general not used to being confronted. Obama chose to speak his mind. "You know, if I were in your shoes, I would be making the exact same argument," he began. "Your job is to succeed in Iraq on as favorable terms as we can get. But my job as a potential Commander in Chief is to view your counsel and interests through the prism of our overall national security." Obama talked about the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, the financial costs of the occupation of Iraq, the stress it was putting on the military.

[Michael P]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fake_America_located.html#comments


John McCain says that New York and DC are part of Fake America.
The two places where terrorists killed almost 4,000 innocent people.

FUCK YOU JOHN McCAIN!

Let's see: Think they're better than everyone else, want to impose their own beliefs on all of America, don't know how to party... whom are they describing again?

[Nick Soapdish]

Er, those Al-Qeada guys aren't that sharp are they? Wouldn't it make more sense to back Obama and thus "scare" Americans?

Obama since the primaries has been very open that he's going to ramp down troops if possible in Iraq (where Al-qaeda has a minimal prescence) but these self-same troops would be sent to Afghanistan (home base of Al-qaeda).

If I was an Al-qaeda leader, I would be praying for a McCain win and thus publicly put my support behind Obama since an Obama win is no good for my troops in Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm wondering how many incursions into Pakistan the secular government there will tolerate. Even the Soviets weren't ballsy enough to go into Pakistan.

No, they aren't too bright.

But then, look at the number of stupid remarks made by our politicians and by their supporters. They're all over the internet and on tv.

Unless that site is strictly moderated, they're going to have doofuses saying what they really mean rather than going by the official party line.

[FalconX2000]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49M58W20081024

Greenspan has accepted some blame for the current economic situation.

[Arrogantcur]

Has there been a post about Palin being asked what the Veep does again, and getting it wrong again? I want to talk about Palin getting it wrong again. :tongue:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

From Russia, with Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aOCga0)

:biggrin: "Misses Palin, I want to fly into your airspace" :biggrin:

[Kevinroc]

Not a big surprise to anyone but the New York Times has endorsed Barack Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/opinion/24fri1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Just taking an excerpt would be a disservice. The entire article must be read.

[the4thpip]

A slightly bigger surprise:

Scott McClellan endorses Obama (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scott_McClellan_endorses_Obama_1023.html)

"From the very beginning I've said, I'm gonna support the candidate who has the best chance of changing the way Washington works and getting things done. I will be voting for Barack Obama."

[JeffreyWKramer]

A slightly bigger surprise:

Scott McClellan endorses Obama (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scott_McClellan_endorses_Obama_1023.html)

"From the very beginning I've said, I'm gonna support the candidate who has the best chance of changing the way Washington works and getting things done. I will be voting for Barack Obama."


This one doesn't surprise me. McClellan has shown that he has something sorely lacking in most people currently or previously associated with this Administration. Namely, a conscience.

[Infra-Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtguVoEzBrw

My summary of the second part of Brian Williams' interview with McCain/Palin:

PALIN: Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Abortion clinic bombers are not terrorists. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers.

MCCAIN: Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. I won't mention Reverend Wright. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers.

PALIN: Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers.

MCCAIN: Yeah, he asked me to bring up Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers.

PALIN: Elitism. Bill Ayers.

MCCAIN: New York City and Washington DC are full of elitists. Hahehe, they suck even though those cities were victims of terrorism on 9/11. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers.

PALIN: Shatter glass ceiling. "Right on." Country first. Crazy rambling.

[TomStillwell]

Can she really be this dumb? If you don't know what something is, just admit it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/sarah-palin-might-not-kno_b_137163.html

PALIN: Absolutely, and Dr. Dobson thank you so much for recognizing that. This is a strong platform around the planks in this platform that respect life and respect the entrepreneurial spirit of this great country and those things, back to the social issues that are what Republicans, at least in the past, had articulated and tried to stand on.

Planks? What the fuck? Did you work at a Home Depot in Wasilla?

[Infra-Man]

Can she really be this dumb? If you don't know what something is, just admit it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/sarah-palin-might-not-kno_b_137163.html



Planks? What the fuck? Did you work at a Home Depot in Wasilla?

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/bwahaha.jpg
and
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/facepalm-300x259.jpg

Has anyone noticed the look on McCain's face every time Palin speak in the recent NBC interviews? It's like a constant palmless facepalm.

[Major Comma]

Not surprising that somebody on the outs with the current administration(McClellan )
would support Obama .

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The "L-word" raises its pretty head:

Go OBAMA...go....

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Yeah, it's a good thing that dirty liberal Roosevelt wasn't in office then.

Oh, wait...

In reality, your statement above is stupid even by your own poor standards. Like McCain, your blithering attacks get more shrill and desperate by the day.

John McCain is so desperate ...he's attacking Bush now since he has a week left to go and it appears he maybe losing big time.

Early voting is bringing in HUGE numbers to date: http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1678048

It's also prompting the Republican party to start challenging those votes.... which is not going their way so far.

From the article:

Doesn't shock me at all. This one will be a bitter one for the Republicans to accept. The party has to change as one expert said for 2012.

This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

He's voting for Sarah Palin?

Whats going on in her mind do ya think when she talks on TV ? Is it MAVERICK , BEAUTY PAGENT , JOE 6-PACK all rolling around ?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... that one's old news around here. In fact, the woman responsible for the image recently resigned her post.

Lastest Rep to open her mouth and insert a foot is Marcia Stirman Chairperson of the New Mexico Women's GOP group. She wrote an editorial which got put in the local paper in which she said "I believe Muslims are our enemies" among other things. She also repeated the crap about Obama being a Muslim.

When she was asked about what she wrote she told an AP reporter: "I don't trust them at all. They've sworn across the world that they are our enemies. Why we're trying to elect one is beside me ... I still have freedom of speech and an opinion. If the Islamic group doesn't like it, well, I don't like what's going on in their camp, either."

Story here: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/23/muslim_socialist/index.html

An Islamic-American Understanding group had called for the Republican party to condemn the statement.

The Republican party is really starting to have what I like to call a "Jeff Foxworthy" problem. Comedian Jeff Foxworthy had a part of his routine in which he said "People from the South aren't stupid, we just can't keep the dumbest among us from being on television." For 'South' now substitute "Republican".

The party has morons who believe their jumping onto the "Next Big thing" politically. The whole 'Real America" thing ended up costing 2-3 senators already who tried it. Bachmann is one who has cried for days Chris Mathews set her up.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fake_America_located.html#comments


John McCain says that New York and DC are part of Fake America.
The two places where terrorists killed almost 4,000 innocent people.

FUCK YOU JOHN McCAIN!

John McCain doesn't care...he plans to win all the small towns and then lead a huge Civil War after it...:tongue:


McCain doesn't seem to realize that he's not just running for President of the parts of America he likes.

Another way he's just like Bush.

Well they are using John Mellencamp's "Pink Houses". And Mellencamp has asked McCain to stop. "John McCain was born in a small town.....!!"

And lets be honest...McCain discussing elitism is about as fucked up nonsense since he carries himself that way and has since he was a kid. He had the best schools ...and only stayed due to his dad and grandfather's good name.

Can she really be this dumb? If you don't know what something is, just admit it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/sarah-palin-might-not-kno_b_137163.html



Planks? What the fuck? Did you work at a Home Depot in Wasilla?


Does anyone honestly think the Republicans would trot this fool out in 2012 ? I'm pretty sure they are telling Mike Huckabee... "Your the saving grace in 2012...please run !"

:wink:

[JKCarrier]

McClellan has shown that he has something sorely lacking in most people currently or previously associated with this Administration. Namely, a conscience.

Where was this alleged conscience during all those years he was lying his ass off for Bush's benefit? He's bashing Bush now because it's fashionable, and he's got a book to sell. Screw that hypocrite.

[Buzz Dixon]

Can she really be this dumb? If you don't know what something is, just admit it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/sarah-palin-might-not-kno_b_137163.html



Planks? What the fuck? Did you work at a Home Depot in Wasilla?Well, I read the whole article (the writer was needlessly snarky; there's plenty to work with without adding his personal bigotry to the mix) and while Palin was as rambling and as inarticulate as always, she didn't misuse either political metaphor of "platform" or "planks" which have been used by just about every candidate since at least all the way back to 1860.

[TomStillwell]

Well, I read the whole article (the writer was needlessly snarky; there's plenty to work with without adding his personal bigotry to the mix) and while Palin was as rambling and as inarticulate as always, she didn't misuse either political metaphor of "platform" or "planks" which have been used by just about every candidate since at least all the way back to 1860.

The problem is she has no idea what the platform or the planks are in regards to Dobson's a question. This is not a "media elite" asking a trick question. Dobson couldn't be more firmly in her corner.

Would it have killed her to say she wasn't familiar with what he was talking about? Why is her first reaction to not knowing to try and bluff that she does know?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Where was this alleged conscience during all those years he was lying his ass off for Bush's benefit? He's bashing Bush now because it's fashionable, and he's got a book to sell. Screw that hypocrite.

My take's different. I think he legitimately believed a lot of the party line bs back then. He was a believer, he drank the Kool-Aid for a long time.

At least he has been willing to own up to that.

Keep in mind, he left long before it was "fashionable" to turn on the Administration.

[the4thpip]

Senate Race, Presidential Race Both Toss-Ups In Georgia

http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/restricted/2008/October%202008/10-24-08/Insider_Ga_Poll102419643.php

[EdContradictory]

If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Fuck you. Get ready to lose.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Fuck you. Get ready to lose.

Given the degree to which he's obviously a loser, I'd think he'd already be pretty used to losing.

[Stressfactor]

The problem is she has no idea what the platform or the planks are in regards to Dobson's a question. This is not a "media elite" asking a trick question. Dobson couldn't be more firmly in her corner.

Would it have killed her to say she wasn't familiar with what he was talking about? Why is her first reaction to not knowing to try and bluff that she does know?
I just read the article and while, yeah, the wwriter takes some unnecessary cheap shots... jeeze louise! Palin flailin' around obviously not knowing what the hell Dobson was talking about and trying to pretend like she does.

It isn't so much her "fail" quotient that gets to me as her "flail" quotient. Anytime she gets in water over her head she starts splashing around to try to keep from sinking.

[Nick Soapdish]

Where was this alleged conscience during all those years he was lying his ass off for Bush's benefit? He's bashing Bush now because it's fashionable, and he's got a book to sell. Screw that hypocrite.

I'm pretty much with you. It became fashionable to bash Bush almost right after the 2004 election so he wasn't really swimming against the current; he just saw the way the wind was blowing.

Maybe it's because he's listening to his conscience, but I'd give better odds that he's an opportunist. To me, the best argument against that is that he sank any future jobs with the neocons.

[TomStillwell]

Every two bit dictator and terrorist has been backing Obama. It's been repeatedly caught on tape. If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...

Speaking of two bit dictators and terrorists...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/mccain-urged-reagan-admin_b_135431.html

[JamesRitcheyIII]

Senate Race, Presidential Race Both Toss-Ups In Georgia

http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/restricted/2008/October%202008/10-24-08/Insider_Ga_Poll102419643.php

Yeah--could be awesome! I saw a local Old Boys Club/Reagan Youth/Republican Wonk virtually hyperventilating on the local news last night. I was both elated at the news and giddy at the look of terror in his eyes. :biggrin:

If my voter registration card doesn't come soon, I'm going to have to drive fifty miles to vote, having moved (to afford to live indoors) to the wilderness of rebel flags and 'Real Americans'. If it doesn't arrive, I'll take it as an omen--voting in my old district might be more effective, since Left and Right are more equally represented.

[the4thpip]

Joe McCain may actually be more embarrassing than Roger Clinton:

Washington, D.C.'s ABC News affiliate, WJLA, obtained the audio recording of an angry 911 call Joe McCain made while stuck in traffic in Virginia earlier this week. Here's the transcript of the call (WJLA's video report on the incident is below):

Operator: 911 state your emergency.

McCain: It's not an emergency but do you know why on one side at the damn drawbridge of 95, traffic is stopped for 15 minutes and yet traffic's coming the other way?

Operator: Sir, are you calling 911 to complain about traffic? (pause)

McCain: (Expletive) you. (McCain hangs up)

The story gets better from there. Because Joe McCain had made a non-emergency call to 911, the operator called back to see who had placed the call and got McCain's voicemail. The message on it said, "Hi, this is Joe McCain. I can't take this message now because I'm involved in a very important family political project. I hope on November 4th we have elected John."

Apparently not one to shy away from a fight, after listening to the operator's message warning him that it's a criminal offense to call 911 for non-emergencies, McCain called back. Here's the conversaton that ensued:

McCain: Somebody gave me this riot act about the violation of police.

Operator: Did you just call 911 in reference to this?

McCain: Yeah.

Operator: 911 is to be used for emergencies only, not just because you're sitting in traffic.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Joe McCain may actually be more embarrassing than Roger Clinton:

Joe McCain seemingly has the same anger issues John has. And why would you want that in the White House if your that close to PUSHING THE BUTTON ?

[the4thpip]

Joe McCain seemingly has the same anger issues John has. And why would you want that in the White House if your that close to PUSHING THE BUTTON ?

Mr President, the red button is to be used for emergencies only, not just because you're unhappy with your wife's makeup.

[GozertheGozarian]

Joe McCain may actually be more embarrassing than Roger Clinton:
But is he Billy Carter embarrassing?

[the4thpip]

But is he Billy Carter embarrassing?

I'm old, but not THAT old.

[KevinTBrown]

But is he Billy Carter embarrassing?

No ONE but him is THAT embarassing.

C'mon. Billy Beer? :rolleyes:



Unless Joe McCain has, oh I don't know, Joe's Plumbing Tools . :tongue:

[Buzz Dixon]

No ONE but him is THAT embarassing.

C'mon. Billy Beer? :rolleyes:



Unless Joe McCain has, oh I don't know, Joe's Plumbing Tools . :tongue:For a long time there was a sign near the 5 Freeway that read: HUGHES TOOL WORKS






















































...wait for it...








































































Mine does, too, but you don't see me advertising it.

[LtMarvel]

Joe McCain may actually be more embarrassing than Roger Clinton:Do you have a link to what you quoted?

[the4thpip]

Do you have a link to what you quoted?

You betcha! And gosh, it even comes with a youtube clip!

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/24/joe_mccain/index.html

[Buzz Dixon]

Here's a quote from a memo put out by the head of Obama's North Carolina field office:

Barack really is expecting a lot out of us -- and there isn't much else for him to do. He has placed this election in our hands at this point. It's up to us now. We may never again have our hands on history quite like this again for as long as we live. That makes each hour so, so precious. We can slack off, sleep in, and make excuses for the rest of our lives. But today -- and for the next 3 weeks . . . whether we knew what we were getting into or not . . . we have ended up with people's lives, livelihoods, and dreams for their children -- all dependent on our performance day in and day out. This is our one chance at history . . . our one chance at perfection. Our one chance to live forever. So today -- breathe this in . . . realize that your grandkids will be reading about you . . . realize that you will miss this feeling very, very soon . . . and win every single hour.

There is nothing in the GOP camp that inspires people like this. All elections are history in the making, but this one really is history in the making.

[Charles RB]

Speaking of two bit dictators and terrorists...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/mccain-urged-reagan-admin_b_135431.html

AHHHHH HA HA. :cool:

[kingdom2000]

Senate Race, Presidential Race Both Toss-Ups In Georgia

http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/restricted/2008/October%202008/10-24-08/Insider_Ga_Poll102419643.php

God I hope that becomes true. Chambliss is an evil bastard that does not belong in office. McCain is bad, but thankfully he is no Chambliss.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Here's a quote from a memo put out by the head of Obama's North Carolina field office:



There is nothing in the GOP camp that inspires people like this. All elections are history in the making, but this one really is history in the making.

Man, that got me inspired and I´m not even american.

[4PointOh]

She's a liar:

Always with the "a black guy did it" bullshit.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.html

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/art.army.cnn.jpg

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Here's a quote from a memo put out by the head of Obama's North Carolina field office:



There is nothing in the GOP camp that inspires people like this. All elections are history in the making, but this one really is history in the making.

Thus far its been said Obama has that about him. He inspires people to do this. He makes them wanna go all out and win for him.

[TomStillwell]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.html

[mattx110]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.html
She may be the dumbest person I've seen in a long time.

[KevinTBrown]

She may be the dumbest person I've seen in a long time.

Um.

You sure.....?


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/art.army.cnn.jpg

[C-Cool]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.html

Is she that same woman who ended up getting her opponent half a million dollars in donations because of another quote a while back?

Damn, what a dark time for the female members of the Republican party.

Bachmann needs to get her "hidden" opinions out of our national government.

She may have, without a doubt, run a worse campaign of words than even Rudy Guiliani from the GOP primaries, never mind McCain.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Is she that same woman who ended up getting her opponent half a million dollars in donations because of another quote a while back?

Damn, what a dark time for the female members of the Republican party.

Bachmann needs to get her "hidden" opinions out of our national government.

She may have, without a doubt, run a worse campaign of words than even Rudy Guiliani from the GOP primaries, never mind McCain.

Ohh yeah she's the one who went on Hardball and claimed that the press should investigate and look into the members of Congress who are Un-American and who are Real-Americans. Mathews blinked in shock and it stunned him.

Then she tried to blame him and cried like a baby as a response saying those dirty liberals are trying to take her senate seat. Never mind the public thinks she's a fuckin moron and you will suffer bad if you honestly believe Sarah Palin has a political leg to stand on doing the whole "Real American vs Un-American" shit she does.

[FalconX2000]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.html

Well technically I'd be inclined to agree with that one line if it weren't in the context it was put, and if it wasn't uttered delibrately by a prominent member of government on a public forum.

I mean, I don't think American culture and the culture of a small isolated tribe in Africa are on the same level. Different countries differ not only in cultural value,, but also in how that culture affects the way we work.

Saying a European ally's culture is inferior is not only insulting, however, it's downright idiotic.

[Infra-Man]

Whatever happened to the Wassup guys?

Apparently the Bush years have not been kind.

Wassup 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE)

[mattx110]

Well technically I'd be inclined to agree with that one line if it weren't in the context it was put, and if it wasn't uttered delibrately by a prominent member of government on a public forum.

I mean, I don't think American culture and the culture of a small isolated tribe in Africa are on the same level. Different countries differ not only in cultural value,, but also in how that culture affects the way we work.

Saying a European ally's culture is inferior is not only insulting, however, it's downright idiotic.
It's the damn cable-watching jihadist muslim kids, though.

Good thing we don't have muslims or freedom of press in America, where we're better than everyone else. And the 3 million there are, well, they're all assimilated by disownig their and their parents native cultures, haven't they?

They just want more welfare so they can pay their cable bills and watch anti-American TV!

[CutterMike]

If you guys were in charge during WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now...Not true; because when you get enough good people working together, fascists ALWAYS lose.

We won then. We'll win now.

[FalconX2000]

http://www.sacbee.com/839/story/1301520.html

Cindy McCain: Obama is running the dirtiest campaign ever.


I couldn't stop laughing.

[CutterMike]

No ONE but him is THAT embarassing.

C'mon. Billy Beer? :rolleyes:



Unless Joe McCain has, oh I don't know, Joe's Plumbing Tools . :tongue:Are you kidding...?

"Pick up a Joe-Sixpack on your way home TONIGHT!"

It's a slam-dunk, man!

[Rik Levins]

Mr President, the red button is to be used for emergencies only, not just because you're unhappy with your wife's makeup.

A little off-topic here--but does anyone know how that actually works?

I found myself wondering about this during an idle moment the other day. What if--hypothetically speaking--some future President did suffer a mental breakdown and decided to nuke Tehran?

Is there LITERALLY a red button in the Oval Office? That seems--improbable. Just at a guess, i would think that, if the Prez did decide to obliterate a random city, he'd have to phone the Pentagon, and then some general or group of generals would in turn contact a couple of guys in a bunker under a mountain in Colorado...and those guys would have to go into a control room, or maybe two separate control rooms, and turn two separate keys within a half-second of each other...

A lot of smart, well-informed people on this site, has anyone got any actual knowledge of how that process works for real?

[KevinTBrown]

I am 100000% convinced that every time, right before Palin hits the stage, they play this song to motivate her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9heOFFlAcFY

:biggrin:

[CutterMike]

So, I got a phone call earlier today, from a friend that I haven't seen in a while and we were getting caught up on stuff, and she mentioned that her mother, a staunch republican -- like "Reagan-Inaugural-Ball-Attendee-Level" Republican -- is voting Obama this year.

It's not that she disagrees that much with McCain's policy statements... She just finds Palin such an embarrassment that she can't stomach voting for the ticket.

[Adam C]

This coming from someone who is voting for a blank mind.

Now, now....Sara Palin's mind isn't completely blank. It has stuff like, "I can see Russia!"

[KevinTBrown]

For those of you who are religious, this is not directed at you: I FUCKING HATE THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/christian_right_attacks

I thought "being Christian" meant loving your fellow man...... I guess there's a new addition to that: "Unless he's Democrat".

[Cam63]

http://www.sacbee.com/839/story/1301520.html

Cindy McCain: Obama is running the dirtiest campaign ever.


I couldn't stop laughing.

Jeezsh... She uncredible...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

For those of you who are religious, this is not directed at you: I FUCKING HATE THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/christian_right_attacks

I thought "being Christian" meant loving your fellow man...... I guess there's a new addition to that: "Unless he's Democrat".

Fear makes many act really sad. Its no shock many view democrats as non-christian , gay allowing , smut riders. Even if its not true.

[Cam63]

Now, now....Sara Palin's mind isn't completely blank. It has stuff like, "I can see Russia!"

I'm surprised she didn't confuse it for a Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker movie.











...and there's no way I'm gunna watch Russia 3.

[Stressfactor]

For those of you who are religious, this is not directed at you: I FUCKING HATE THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT!
The Christian Right is neither "Christian" nor "right".

[C-Cool]

The Christian Right movement in the Republican party is pretty much the "Civilized Crusades" of our time.

There's the considerate (though these people don't use religion for a political base, much like those against the crusades in the first place), the assertive (using it as a political base, but looking within the issues to find their choice. Basically 50/50, for better or for worse.) and the "there's no difference between you and the worst scum in the world, except the religion you hide behind." or "civil extremists" for short. They should have nothing to do with politics, but they always do. They always affect it in horrible ways to push ONLY their, or the most popular, outspoken people of their church', agendas

Palin's between assertive and civil extremist. Leaning towards civil extremist.

Also:

http://www.sacbee.com/839/story/1301520.html

Cindy McCain: Obama is running the dirtiest campaign ever.


I couldn't stop laughing.

The pill-pushing moron said this already, and I still can't believe it.

Even sheltered home schooled children can get information about the world around them better than this woman.

I should know. My friend, staunch Republican and former home schooled teen, is voting Obama, after McCain's campaign turned him off bad.

THAT is a bad thing.

The dude lives with the O'Reilly Factor in his brain. And he's STILL voting for Obama.

[BnL]

Its no shock many view democrats as non-christian , gay allowing , smut riders. Even if its not true.

But many are. What's wrong with that?

[Buzz Dixon]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.htmlThat single concept -- that not all cultures are equal -- is correct. All cultures may have equal rights insofar as they do not impinge on the rights of other cultures, but that doesn't make them equal.

Bachman, however, apparently doesn't have enough brain cells to comprehend the complexity behind that.

[Buzz Dixon]

A little off-topic here--but does anyone know how that actually works?

I found myself wondering about this during an idle moment the other day. What if--hypothetically speaking--some future President did suffer a mental breakdown and decided to nuke Tehran?

Is there LITERALLY a red button in the Oval Office? That seems--improbable. Just at a guess, i would think that, if the Prez did decide to obliterate a random city, he'd have to phone the Pentagon, and then some general or group of generals would in turn contact a couple of guys in a bunker under a mountain in Colorado...and those guys would have to go into a control room, or maybe two separate control rooms, and turn two separate keys within a half-second of each other...

A lot of smart, well-informed people on this site, has anyone got any actual knowledge of how that process works for real?There is a "football", a briefcase with codes that authorize a nuclear attack.

The weapons have to be aimed well in advance. The prez can't simply decide he wants to nuke Tehran and have it done 45 minutes later.

Nuclear sub skippers are authorized to launch their missiles if they are unable to contact the U.S. over a certain period of time. I would assume the same holds true for USAF missile bases (though they would be the first things targeted in an attack by Russia or China).

Technically every field commander with access to a nuke is authorized to use it if he/she deems necessary, but those tend to be tactical weapons, not strategic ones.

[Kyuubi]

http://www.sacbee.com/839/story/1301520.html

Cindy McCain: Obama is running the dirtiest campaign ever.


I couldn't stop laughing.



I finally understand where the term "Dead behind the eyes" comes from.

[Buzz Dixon]

I finally understand where the term "Dead behind the eyes" comes from.Stop picking on Cindy. I'd like to see how much sense any of her critics would make if they had unfettered access to a brewery.

[Cam63]

Stop picking on Cindy. I'd like to see how much sense any of her critics would make if they had unfettered access to a brewery.

I knew there was something I liked about her.

[Kyuubi]

I've gone from wanting to vote for McCain in 2000. . .

to being somewhat disappointed by him in his backing of Bush. . .

to feeling bad that I wanted to vote for Obama instead. . .

to being angry about his backing of his party's hate mongering. . .

to now hating him as much as any bigot, because that is exactly what he has become.

[Cam63]

He needs new writers.

...Goooooood ones.

[Kyuubi]

He needs to apologize and never show his face in public ever again.

[Lester C.]

Fox New's website has abondoned all pretense of being fair and balance and has for a while now.

[Kyuubi]

That's a fairly accurate statement.

[Cam63]

Fox New's website has abondoned all pretense of being fair and balance and has for a while now.

They were that way before television was invented.

[Paul McEnery]

Stop picking on Cindy. I'd like to see how much sense any of her critics would make if they had unfettered access to a brewery.

If you've got the cash, I'll take that challenge.

[K-DoG7p7]

I finally understand where the term "Dead behind the eyes" comes from.

just like Easter Europeans.. ..

seriusly..

[FalconX2000]

Not that it seriously matters towards anything besides humour, but Joe McCain, John McCain's brother, dailed 911 to talk bout a traffic light. When asked about it, he said F@#$ you and hung up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27367409#27367409


Actually though, I posted that for the hilarious first half with Olbermann.

[KevinTBrown]

The Christian Right is neither "Christian" nor "right".

Unfortunately, there's a person I know of, on another message board that I visit frequently (people can easily guess since I post there as much as here), who proudly proclaims to be of the Christian Right. He is so incredibly insanely irate about Obama potentially/probably winning it's downright scary

It's people like him, not a group like the KKK or any other racist group, that will take a potshot at Obama.....

[Stressfactor]

Unfortunately, there's a person I know of, on another message board that I visit frequently (people can easily guess since I post there as much as here), who proudly proclaims to be of the Christian Right. He is so incredibly insanely irate about Obama potentially/probably winning it's downright scary

It's people like him, not a group like the KKK or any other racist group, that will take a potshot at Obama.....
Oh I know the type -- I've met them before. They're the ones who give the rest of us Christians a bad name. They're the ones who always get on the news and talk about their "Christian values" while spewing hate and the rest of us Christians just :facepalm: THEY are the reason why, when my belief comes up I feel compelled to say "But I'm NOT an intolerant bigot like those other guys you see." I wish they would/could just go away so that the rest of us can stop having to defend our faith.

These are the type who claim that "good Christian values are under attack" and I want to scream at them: YEAH -- FROM YOU!

[the4thpip]

Um.

You sure.....?

Turns out the reverse B stands for Bachmann.

[Charles RB]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/christian_right_attacks


I'm amused that the end of the Boy Scouts and nationwide gay marriage are on the same level as mass terrorism, nuclear warfare and mass conquest.

[4PointOh]

Um.

You sure.....?

What pisses me off most about this is that, as an American and as a black man, I don't get America's strong affinity for the mantra, "A black guy did it!"

[the4thpip]

Another breathless update on the Tightening Presidential Race™:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama attracting 52% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. This eight point advantage matches Obama’s biggest lead of the year in a race that has been remarkably stable down the stretch. A week ago today, Obama was up by five. Two weeks ago, he was up by seven (see trends).

Today’s results mark the 30th straight day that Obama’s support has stayed between 50% and 52%. During that period, the number voting for McCain has stayed in the 44% to 46% range every day and the gap between the candidates has ranged from four to eight percentage points.

[Michael P]

A little off-topic here--but does anyone know how that actually works?

I found myself wondering about this during an idle moment the other day. What if--hypothetically speaking--some future President did suffer a mental breakdown and decided to nuke Tehran?

Is there LITERALLY a red button in the Oval Office? That seems--improbable. Just at a guess, i would think that, if the Prez did decide to obliterate a random city, he'd have to phone the Pentagon, and then some general or group of generals would in turn contact a couple of guys in a bunker under a mountain in Colorado...and those guys would have to go into a control room, or maybe two separate control rooms, and turn two separate keys within a half-second of each other...

A lot of smart, well-informed people on this site, has anyone got any actual knowledge of how that process works for real?

Pretty much like that. He calls together the Joint Chiefs in the situation room and says to them, "Boys, give me an plan where we nuke Tehran." And they go into the Pentagon and come up with the plan (we actually probably have this one lying in a folder somewhere, just in case), and come back and present it to the President, and he says "Let's do it." And then they call the guys in the missile silos and give them coordinates, and they fire the missiles, and there's World War III.

The scary thing is, all of these people are military officers, and they would go to jail for not following these orders. The President's other advisors could try to dissuade him from this course of action, but the bottom line is, if he gives the order, it's probably going to happen. The only method for cutting this chain of events short is coup d'etat.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Pretty much like that. He calls together the Joint Chiefs in the situation room and says to them, "Boys, give me an plan where we nuke Tehran." And they go into the Pentagon and come up with the plan (we actually probably have this one lying in a folder somewhere, just in case), and come back and present it to the President, and he says "Let's do it." And then they call the guys in the missile silos and give them coordinates, and they fire the missiles, and there's World War III.

The scary thing is, all of these people are military officers, and they would go to jail for not following these orders. The President's other advisors could try to dissuade him from this course of action, but the bottom line is, if he gives the order, it's probably going to happen. The only method for cutting this chain of events short is coup d'etat.

They about 2-3 years ago its reported we ran excercises or wargames concerning Iran. As its said they were preparing for it which scared everyone shitless that Bush would be moronic to start a war with them.

[Bergman]

For those of you who are religious, this is not directed at you: I FUCKING HATE THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/christian_right_attacks

I thought "being Christian" meant loving your fellow man...... I guess there's a new addition to that: "Unless he's Democrat".

Palin is a "prayer warrior" (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/7/54010/1830) and linked to people who prayed to have Mother Therasa die! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/sarah-palin-linked-to-sec_b_137532.html):eek:

[Bergman]

Bachmann: Not all cultures are the equal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-uptake/michele-bachmann-not-all_b_137463.html

Bachmann's apology ad (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/bachmann-tapes-apology-ad_n_137689.html)

[Bergman]

"Thank god, she's not gonna have to be president from day one." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/lieberman-on-palin-thank_n_137769.html)

[Adam C]

Stop picking on Cindy. I'd like to see how much sense any of her critics would make if they had unfettered access to a brewery.

If you've got the cash, I'll take that challenge.

See Buzz. This is what you get for posting this on a message board with an Irishman/Englishman on it. That's practically issuing a challenge to them.

[Arrogantcur]

If I'm bringing up old stuff I apologize in advance, but if this hasn't been touched on yet...

...how the hell can Palin STILL not know what the VP does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA

She's had plenty of time to, you know, LEARN. She wouldn't even have to look it up herself, she could just ask somebody in the campaign "What should I say the next time somebody asks me about the VP's job?" I guess she couldn't even be bothered to do that.

You would not be "in charge" of the Senate, Sarah! You would cast the tie-breaking vote, IF and WHEN there was a tie!

When somebody appears this impossibly stupid, I can't help but wonder if it might be an act. Rotten.com speculated that was the case with George W. Bush (http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/), although I'm not sure if they're right. Here's an excerpt:

In 1978, George made a halfhearted stab at politics when he ran for an open Congressional seat. Maybe he didn't know what else to do, other than try to follow in daddy's footsteps. But Bush's heart wasn't really in it. Ultimately, it just didn't matter to him whether he would represent West Texas in the House of Representatives. And although he liked campaigning and showed an aptitude for it, his Democratic opponent mopped the floor with him.

Bush's rookie mistakes didn't help. At a candidate forum early on in the race, Bush told the crowd: "Today is the first time I've been on a real farm." That didn't exactly impress the rural voters. And his decision to show himself jogging around a track in one of his television spots only underscored how out-of-touch he was with the common man. Almost nobody jogged in West Texas.

And in the debates, Bush tried his best to come off sounding smart and serious. He made references to complicated economic policies. Difficult as it may be to believe now, many voters in the 1978 campaign were turned off by George W. Bush's overt intelligence. They figured him for some kind of brainiac.

George's opponent pegged him immediately as a spoiled rich kid from New England. A faux Texan. A Yankee carpetbagger. In contrast, the Democrat assumed the role of the earnest-but-friendly local boy. He constantly harped on George's elitist upbringing, as evident in this radio ad:

"In 1961, when Kent Hance graduated from Dimmitt High School in the 19th congressional district, his opponent George W. Bush was attending Andover Academy in Massachusetts. In 1965, when Kent Hance graduated from Texas Tech, his opponent was at Yale University. And while Kent Hance graduated from University of Texas Law School, his opponent -- get this, folks -- was attending Harvard."

The Democrat began telling crowds: "Yale and Harvard don't prepare you as well for running for the 19th Congressional district as Texas Tech does." It really got to Bush. He complained to a local newspaper about being pigeonholed as the outsider:

"We've been attacked for where I was born, for who my family is, and where my money has come from. I don't think that's fair."

Although he was gaining on the Democrat near the end, Bush lost the race. But the experience taught him everything he would someday need to mount an effective campaign. He discovered that voters aren't looking the smartest candidate, or the guy with the most experience. They want somebody who makes them comfortable. Somebody who's one of them. A regular guy.

He filed away all of that information in his head, and then turned to business.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Oh I know the type -- I've met them before. They're the ones who give the rest of us Christians a bad name. They're the ones who always get on the news and talk about their "Christian values" while spewing hate and the rest of us Christians just :facepalm: THEY are the reason why, when my belief comes up I feel compelled to say "But I'm NOT an intolerant bigot like those other guys you see." I wish they would/could just go away so that the rest of us can stop having to defend our faith.

These are the type who claim that "good Christian values are under attack" and I want to scream at them: YEAH -- FROM YOU!

I can´t shake the feeling that that must be how moderate muslims feel all the time,regarding terrorists.

[Buzz Dixon]

Pretty much like that. He calls together the Joint Chiefs in the situation room and says to them, "Boys, give me an plan where we nuke Tehran." And they go into the Pentagon and come up with the plan (we actually probably have this one lying in a folder somewhere, just in case), and come back and present it to the President, and he says "Let's do it." And then they call the guys in the missile silos and give them coordinates, and they fire the missiles, and there's World War III.

The scary thing is, all of these people are military officers, and they would go to jail for not following these orders. The President's other advisors could try to dissuade him from this course of action, but the bottom line is, if he gives the order, it's probably going to happen. The only method for cutting this chain of events short is coup d'etat.Actually, the USAF tried a test in the 1970s to see if their missile teams would actually fire missiles in a war situation. They put them in a silo bunker that was otherwise functioning but not actually hooked up to any missiles that could be launched. They they sent a coded message saying WWIII had started, the Russians had fired their missiles, and they were to fire back.

I forget the number of crews that didn't fire, but I do remember it was a double digit percentage (and since it takes two people working simultaneously to launch a missile, this could very well mean only one person on the team refused to launch).

Mind you, these guys all assumed they were going to DIE. To them this was not a drill, this was the real thing. They knew their silos were targeted by Russian ICBMs and that in less than 45 minutes they would be incinerated.

Despite that, a large number refused to make matters worse by firing back.

There are American military personnel who will not follow a direct order if they feel it would violate the constitution or be contrary to the best interests of the people of the United States. (General Smedly Butler, USMC (ret.) take a bow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) The problem is, we'll never know who until the moment of truth arrives.

[Buzz Dixon]

They about 2-3 years ago its reported we ran excercises or wargames concerning Iran. As its said they were preparing for it which scared everyone shitless that Bush would be moronic to start a war with them.Not Iran, Iraq. It's covered in detail in the book BLINK (which is not about politics but decision making in general; just wanted to make that clear since Sarah palin has politicialized "don't blink"). They did an elaborate war game simulation and asked a retired military officer with contrarian opinions to be the Iraqi commander. He "lost" insofar as he was not able to stop an invasion but he sank something like 30-40 U.S. ships and bogged us down in a protracted and bloody guerilla war. The Pentagon didn't like the answer, stopped the war game in process, re-did the rules, and played it out to "victory".

The same thing happen with Japan prior to WWII. They did a war game that pitted the admirals of the Imperial Navy against a buncha lower echelon officers subbing for the U.S. Navy. Everything went along swimmingly until they tried to take Midway, then things got Real Ugly Real Fast. The admirals couldn't believe this would really happen so they, too, re-wrote the rules to assure themselves victory and went ahead to attack Pearl Harbor.

[Alexx1]

I knew Palin wanted to be a Superhero!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

[Alexx1]

I knew Palin wanted to be a Superhero!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.



Are they serious about this part? This can't be new to them. This is her mantra. She's always been about herself to the detriment of others. But this is exactly what McCain deserves as far as I'm concerned.

[mattx110]

I can´t shake the feeling that that must be how moderate muslims feel all the time,regarding terrorists.
I'm not sure I'd make the distinction "moderate muslims" and "terrorists".

Plenty of extremely religious people that find their merry way ignoring the "kill the infidels" passages in favor of the more friendly parts of the Qu'ran.


Plus, what's "moderately muslim" mean anyway? Moderate is a terrible word in politics. It's so ill-defined to the point of uselessness. "We want moderation!" "Ok, so you can have some rights today and some tomorrow..." It doesn't hold up without careful redefinition when taking into account specificities.

[Buzz Dixon]

I knew Palin wanted to be a Superhero!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.htmlhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-mTuzE8-xIs/SQDo6OS4ZcI/AAAAAAAAAlI/2VXrcJg4LvU/s1600/conan_bumpersticker_cho.jpg

(...and if the pic doesn't link... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-mTuzE8-xIs/SQDo6OS4ZcI/AAAAAAAAAlI/2VXrcJg4LvU/s1600/conan_bumpersticker_cho.jpg )

[Michael P]

Actually, the USAF tried a test in the 1970s to see if their missile teams would actually fire missiles in a war situation. They put them in a silo bunker that was otherwise functioning but not actually hooked up to any missiles that could be launched. They they sent a coded message saying WWIII had started, the Russians had fired their missiles, and they were to fire back.

I forget the number of crews that didn't fire, but I do remember it was a double digit percentage (and since it takes two people working simultaneously to launch a missile, this could very well mean only one person on the team refused to launch).

Mind you, these guys all assumed they were going to DIE. To them this was not a drill, this was the real thing. They knew their silos were targeted by Russian ICBMs and that in less than 45 minutes they would be incinerated.

Despite that, a large number refused to make matters worse by firing back.

There are American military personnel who will not follow a direct order if they feel it would violate the constitution or be contrary to the best interests of the people of the United States. (General Smedly Butler, USMC (ret.) take a bow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) The problem is, we'll never know who until the moment of truth arrives.

That's rather reassuring. Thank you.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I'm not sure I'd make the distinction "moderate muslims" and "terrorists".

Plenty of extremely religious people that find their merry way ignoring the "kill the infidels" passages in favor of the more friendly parts of the Qu'ran.


Plus, what's "moderately muslim" mean anyway? Moderate is a terrible word in politics. It's so ill-defined to the point of uselessness. "We want moderation!" "Ok, so you can have some rights today and some tomorrow..." It doesn't hold up without careful redefinition when taking into account specificities.


I don´t think I quite follow you, you mean there´s no difference between moderate muslims and islamic extremists?

[mattx110]

I don´t think I quite follow you, you mean there´s no difference between moderate muslims and islamic extremists?
Islamic=/= muslim firstly.

Secondly, that's not the distinction. You're not either moderate or a terrorist.

It kinda comes off as "well, he's only moderately muslim, he doesn't want to kill us". You need to redefine "moderate" in order to make your statement work, when the phrase "not terrorist" fits better.

But attempting to divide a group like that, using terms that seemingly ignore the existence of non-moderate muslims that aren't terrorists is just plain wrong. I know what you mean, but that's not quite what you're saying.

[Michael P]

Islamic=/= muslim firstly.

Uh, yes it is. Islamic means "of or relating to Islam." When used to describe a person, it has the same basic definition as "Muslim."

[Briareos]

Biden canceles wife's interview due to Biden being asked questions that are not completely fawning over him and Obama:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html

[ShaunN]

Not Iran, Iraq. It's covered in detail in the book BLINK (which is not about politics but decision making in general; just wanted to make that clear since Sarah palin has politicialized "don't blink"). They did an elaborate war game simulation and asked a retired military officer with contrarian opinions to be the Iraqi commander. He "lost" insofar as he was not able to stop an invasion but he sank something like 30-40 U.S. ships and bogged us down in a protracted and bloody guerilla war. The Pentagon didn't like the answer, stopped the war game in process, re-did the rules, and played it out to "victory".

The same thing happen with Japan prior to WWII. They did a war game that pitted the admirals of the Imperial Navy against a buncha lower echelon officers subbing for the U.S. Navy. Everything went along swimmingly until they tried to take Midway, then things got Real Ugly Real Fast. The admirals couldn't believe this would really happen so they, too, re-wrote the rules to assure themselves victory and went ahead to attack Pearl Harbor.


Dear Buzz,

Hi! They may have run these war games with Iraq, but I'm also positive that they ran the same thing with Iran. In fact, I think that I have an issue of the Atlantic Monthly around here somewhere with an article on the subject. If I remember correctly, it describes the scenario that you mention- the Admiral playing the Iranian side used speedboats to sink American ships. The bottomline was that taking on Iran would not be a cakewalk. Indeed, it would be a devastating blow to the already overtaxed US military.

On a different note, here is an article from Timothy Garton Ash, discussing Obama. The article is a bit jarring in that it starts out with a discussion of the fear of Obama being assassinated.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081024.wcoessay1025_1/BNStory/specialComment/home

Sincerely,

Shaun

[BnL]

Sarah Palin is ignorant even about the research of one of her key issues, autism: (http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/)

In her very first policy speech, Palin talked about autism and disabilities (video below). She urged that

“For many parents of children with disabilities, the most valuable thing of all is information. Early identification of a cognitive or other disorder, especially autism, can make a life-changing difference.”

This is very true. And where does this information and the ability for early identification come from? Scientific research. Unfortunately, she went on to say

“You’ve heard about some of these pet projects they really don’t make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not.”

When I heard this issue forth from my T.V. I literally could not believe what I had just heard. I had to rewind my TiVo just to make sure. I write now filled with more anger at the the current state of this union than I have felt in some time (albeit, anger cut with a good dose of hope).

Why the anger, you say? What’s wrong with her statement, you ask?

This statement of “public policy” exhibits an almost unbelievable level of the ignorance of Palin and those that support her – and on multiple levels.

#1. The fruit fly (Drosophila) has probably been the single most important organism for the study of genetics for over a century now. Almost everything we know about genetics, development, cell biology, neuroscience, and every other field of biology has strong roots in previous and current work on Drosophila. The fruit fly is one of a small handful of “standard model organisms” used by thousands of scientists across the world to learn how our bodies, organs, genes, and proteins work. Most of what we know about how a single fertilized cell becomes the amazingly complex beings we are comes from studies initially done in Drosophila. Vast amounts of our understanding of the brain (and brain disorders, diseases, and defects) also come from initial studies in fruit flies.

In fact, recent research from my own graduate alma mater, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, on fruit fly brains has had an impact on the understanding of autism and has boosted autism research:

“[S]cientists at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine have shown that a protein called neurexin is required for..nerve cell connections to form and function correctly. The discovery, made in Drosophila fruit flies may lead to advances in understanding autism spectrum disorders, as recently, human neurexins have been identified as a genetic risk factor for autism.”

[Buzz Dixon]

They may have run these war games with Iraq, but I'm also positive that they ran the same thing with Iran.You're doubtlessly correct since the version mentioned in BLINK had an ex-Army officer leading the opposition forces.

"No battle plan survives contact with the enemy."
-- old military proverb

[Charles RB]

Sarah Palin is ignorant even about the research of one of her key issues, autism: (http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-a-blithering-idiot-that-could-destroy-science-and-medicine/)

Oh for fuck's sake.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Oh for fuck's sake.

Hey this is who the Republican Party has high hopes for in 2012.

[AllisterH]

The US has invasion plans for BRITAIN. Standard "what-if" scenarios are always being run at the Pentagon and since the fall of the Shah, they have had "how to deal with Iran". As for the US versus Iran or Iraq, the only reason the US wouldn't win is that like Israel versus Hamas, world opinion would quickly turn against the US if the US actually used tactics to win.

re: Washington Insider
Part of Obama's appeal is that he might change how Washington is run. But that raises a question....is being a Senator the kiss of death for being a potential President?

The last time a Washington Insider actually became president was FORD. Every single president since then has come far from the "Inside".

[mattx110]

The US has invasion plans for BRITAIN. Standard "what-if" scenarios are always being run at the Pentagon and since the fall of the Shah, they have had "how to deal with Iran". As for the US versus Iran or Iraq, the only reason the US wouldn't win is that like Israel versus Hamas, world opinion would quickly turn against the US if the US actually used tactics to win.

re: Washington Insider
Part of Obama's appeal is that he might change how Washington is run. But that raises a question....is being a Senator the kiss of death for being a potential President?

The last time a Washington Insider actually became president was FORD. Every single president since then has come far from the "Inside".
No matter what happens, the next president of the United States will be a Senator. A good chance the VP too...

[LtMarvel]

The US has invasion plans for BRITAIN. Standard "what-if" scenarios are always being run at the Pentagon and since the fall of the Shah, they have had "how to deal with Iran". As for the US versus Iran or Iraq, the only reason the US wouldn't win is that like Israel versus Hamas, world opinion would quickly turn against the US if the US actually used tactics to win.

re: Washington Insider
Part of Obama's appeal is that he might change how Washington is run. But that raises a question....is being a Senator the kiss of death for being a potential President?

The last time a Washington Insider actually became president was FORD. Every single president since then has come far from the "Inside".
I'm going to call the first Bush a Washington insider.

[AllisterH]

No matter what happens, the next president of the United States with be a Senator. A good chance the VP too...

Yesh, but Obama has run on the "change mantra" which he has used against fellow democrats since the primaries. Nobody considers Obama a washington insider based on his 4 years.

re: Bush
Yeah, Bush was CIA director beforehand, but serving under a popular president singificantly helped his run. Then again, I wonder how much of an outsider one can be given his family pedigree.

I wonder, is this the end of the Bush family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family) in politics? While not as famous as the Kennedys, the Bushes have been in politics since it seems like forever. Has Shrub effectively KILLED the Bush family for at least a generation?

[glue]

I wonder, is this the end of the Bush family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family) in politics? While not as famous as the Kennedys, the Bushes have been in politics since it seems like forever. Has Shrub effectively KILLED the Bush family for at least a generation?

Jeb (I think) has a nephew that's got a shot. Of course I don't think he'd be playing up the family connection, so yeah. They may not be done but the W types may be.

[Dr Cthulwho]

I wonder, is this the end of the Bush family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family) in politics? While not as famous as the Kennedys, the Bushes have been in politics since it seems like forever. Has Shrub effectively KILLED the Bush family for at least a generation?

I'm sure if Palin runs in 2012 she'll do something hilarious like nominate on of the Bush twins as her VP. I doubt they would perform that much worse then she has this time around.

[AllisterH]

Jeb (I think) has a nephew that's got a shot. Of course I don't think he'd be playing up the family connection, so yeah. They may not be done but the W types may be.

Heh, looking at the wikipedia page, the Bush family actually looks like it was even more succussful than even the Kennedys (and people feared a Clinton family dynasty:biggrin: )

Wow, Bush not only fucked over the country, he fucked over his own family as I can't see a Bush being involved with politics in any high level for the next 12 years.....

[Buzz Dixon]

Wow, Bush not only fucked over the country, he fucked over his own family as I can't see a Bush being involved with politics in any high level for the next 12 years.....He may have permanently damaged the Bush brand; they'll come back in high appointments and maybe some state political posts, but nobody's letting them near the White House again.

[KevinTBrown]

GOP challenges to new voters set back by courts. (http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1693457)

Buuuuuuuuut.... the White House is starting to get involved by asking the Justice Department to investigate.

Quote: Republicans hit back on Friday, when the White House asked the Department of Justice to investigate 200,000 Ohio voters with questionable registrations.


Raise your hand if you saw this happening this year.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

GOP challenges to new voters set back by courts. (http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1693457)

Buuuuuuuuut.... the White House is starting to get involved by asking the Justice Department to investigate.

Quote:

Raise your hand if you saw this happening this year.

I predict if Obama does get screwed outta this election a full scale riot could break out . They had best not try and fuck with the will of the people .

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-bush-endorsement/783981/

[KevinTBrown]

I predict if Obama does get screwed outta this election a full scale riot could break out . They had best not try and fuck with the will of the people .

Based on the leads in most polls, the GOP would be insane to monkey around with it this year. People KNOW this election is Obama's.

Hell, early voting appears to be leaning heavily in Obama's direction. Usually it's the GOP that benefits.

[FalconX2000]

GOP challenges to new voters set back by courts. (http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1693457)

Buuuuuuuuut.... the White House is starting to get involved by asking the Justice Department to investigate.

Quote:

Raise your hand if you saw this happening this year.

Good thing the Obama camp has already been moving to counter this sort of thing before it started.

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/10/obamas-gc-makes.html

[the4thpip]

Hey this is who the Republican Party has high hopes for in 2012.

They should consider running a fruit fly instead.

http://serialy.mirekholy.net/data/fly_tales/hlavni.jpg

[the4thpip]

I'm sure if Palin runs in 2012 she'll do something hilarious like nominate on of the Bush twins as her VP. I doubt they would perform that much worse then she has this time around.

Or George P. Because he's hawt. And Latino. Never mind that he is a violent psycho...

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2000/08/03/image221685x.jpg

[TomStillwell]

Palin: Obama is going to make America a communist country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/palin-obamas-tax-plans-co_n_137851.html

Sarah Palin had a few memorable moments during her campaign stop in Des Moines, Iowa, on Saturday. But the most eye-opening of them all came, it would appear, when the Alaska Governor somehow drew a connection between Barack Obama's tax policy and an encroaching, nightmarish, communist government. The Illinois Democrat, she hysterically suggested, would, through his proposals, create a country "where the people are not free."

Alaska's largest newspaper endorses Obama.

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html

Gov. Palin has shown the country why she has been so successful in her young political career. Passionate, charismatic and indefatigable, she draws huge crowds and sows excitement in her wake. She has made it clear she's a force to be reckoned with, and you can be sure politicians and political professionals across the country have taken note. Her future, in Alaska and on the national stage, seems certain to be played out in the limelight.

Yet despite her formidable gifts, few who have worked closely with the governor would argue she is truly ready to assume command of the most important, powerful nation on earth. To step in and juggle the demands of an economic meltdown, two deadly wars and a deteriorating climate crisis would stretch the governor beyond her range. Like picking Sen. McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time.

[Stressfactor]

Considering the reported strife between the McCain people and the Palin people WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN I'm kind of hoping for a total meltdown before the election.

People thought McCain would be the one to "Hulk out" and go "McRage" in front of the cameras but now I'm thinking Palin might be the one to go seriously "off the reservation" at some point finally provide that iceberg the Straight Talk Titanic has been steaming towards.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Considering the reported strife between the McCain people and the Palin people WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN I'm kind of hoping for a total meltdown before the election.

People thought McCain would be the one to "Hulk out" and go "McRage" in front of the cameras but now I'm thinking Palin might be the one to go seriously "off the reservation" at some point finally provide that iceberg the Straight Talk Titanic has been steaming towards.

Or maybe it will be a release of the sex vids Palin did with Dick Cheney.

[the4thpip]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14951.html

Does he realize how that makes him sound like an undemocratic crook??

[Infra-Man]

Considering the reported strife between the McCain people and the Palin people WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN I'm kind of hoping for a total meltdown before the election.

People thought McCain would be the one to "Hulk out" and go "McRage" in front of the cameras but now I'm thinking Palin might be the one to go seriously "off the reservation" at some point finally provide that iceberg the Straight Talk Titanic has been steaming towards.

I'm hoping McCain from 2000 gets a time machine, travels to 2008, and then berates McCain 2008. Or, you know, a beat down (need to squeeze the mileage out of this one):

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/green-hulk-vs-red-hulk-pinup-19-l.jpg

[Infra-Man]

Is it possible that some anti-Obama person/group in Wisconsin is distributing fake Obama fliers which play on racial fear, fear associated with Obama's middle name, and fear of phone harassment?

You betcha!

http://rachelhulin.com/blog/2008/10/wisconsin-day-two-barack-hussein-obama-ii.html

Live from campaigning in Wisconsin:

I've broken out the Canon 20d, imperfect as it is. There is plenty of solid Obama hope around here, but also some serious vitriol. Here's the latest propaganda that's being stuck to mailboxes in Wausau, under the guise of the Obama campaign's seal.

It gives me the shivers.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/barack_black.jpg

The man who brought this flyer in was an older Democrat. He thought it was absolutely real.

Who knew Obama was a II?

[Charles RB]

Is it possible that some anti-Obama person/group in Wisconsin is distributing fake Obama fliers which play on racial fear, fear associated with Obama's middle name, and fear of phone harassment?

You betcha!

...ARRRRGGGG.

There's been a whole bunch of stunts like this against Obama - when was the last time black propaganda was this massive in a US election?

[FalconX2000]

Is it possible that some anti-Obama person/group in Wisconsin is distributing fake Obama fliers which play on racial fear, fear associated with Obama's middle name, and fear of phone harassment?

You betcha!

http://rachelhulin.com/blog/2008/10/wisconsin-day-two-barack-hussein-obama-ii.html

It's stuff like that which reminds me why Singapore's very strict and wide reaching libel laws, while used an excuse for the government to sue their political opponents, does have its advantages.

[CutterMike]

Is it possible that some anti-Obama person/group in Wisconsin is distributing fake Obama fliers which play on racial fear, fear associated with Obama's middle name, and fear of phone harassment?

You betcha!

Ahem...

Normally, I try to maintain some degree of dispassion in political discussions. My personal feeling is that presenting facts and refuting illogic will be more effective at affecting opinions than screaming incoherently at holders of opposing beliefs. It may be wishful thinking, nonetheless, it IS my belief.

With that in mind, I should just like to say:

I AM GETTING SO GODDAM SICK OF THE RIGHT PULLING OUT EVERY SLEAZY, UNDERHANDED TRICK TO TRY TO DEMONIZE THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY ARGUING FACTS! FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT FREEDOM TO LIE, YOU GOODAM FASCIST TWO-BIT SCUM-SUCKING ANTI-AMERICAN LYING RACE-BAITING FOUR-FLUSHING RIGHT-WING PHILISTINE NAZI-BASTARD FUCKWADS!

(Straightens tie.)

Thank you for your time.

We now return you to our regularly-scheduled discussion.

[FalconX2000]

It would have been more convincing if they'd used 'Barack Obama'. The use of his middle name gives it away to most people as a fake right at the outset.

[Linkara]

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-bush-endorsement/783981/

HA! Oh, Will Farrell - no one can ever top your George W. Bush impression. XD

[SUPERECWFAN1]

HA! Oh, Will Farrell - no one can ever top your George W. Bush impression. XD

I loved when he opened the scene .... "The reason I'm coming on so late is that everytime I come on TV the stock market goes in the crapper. So tonight you Japanese Market will just have to bite the big one here..." :tongue:

[Tetsuo_man]

I loved when he said that the american people had the choice between the hot lady and the tiger woods looking guy.

[the4thpip]

I agree.

I think Arizona is still in play. :biggrin:

Y'all thought I was kidding?

Is McCain even in trouble in... Arizona?

Democrats in Arizona don't have the easiest job convincing people they've got a chance to help Barack Obama carry the state. Sure, John McCain may not be that popular there, but it's still his home state.

But then came the news Sunday morning of a poll sponsored by Project New West, a group that wants Democrats to focus on the intermountain West, that showed McCain only up 48 percent to 44 percent over Obama in Arizona. The pollsters say it's a big shift since September, when they had McCain up 54 to 40. Obama's up among independents by 10 points in Arizona in the poll. Private polls for Democratic candidates in the state had shown him up between five and ten points over the summer; now this poll seems to confirm that he's having some trouble on the home front.

"Since John McCain has been more like the senator from New Hampshire than the senator from Arizona - all the while voting 90 percent of the time with President Bush - I'm hardly surprised that Arizonans are so supportive of Sen. Obama's vision for change," Arizona's Democratic Party chairman, Don Bivens, said in a state party release. Politico picked up on the buzz the poll is getting among Democrats, as well.

It's not all bad news for McCain in Arizona, though; the Arizona Republic endorsed McCain Sunday morning. "Nowhere else in the country do voters know John McCain like Arizonans know John McCain," the paper said.

McCain is still the much safer bet to win Arizona. But he can't be happy if he has to worry about it.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/26/arizona_poll/index.html

[Infra-Man]

Oh, The Onion and your videos, what would I do without you?

Cindy McCain Claims She’s ‘Just Like Any Other Female Human’ (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/cindy_mccain_claims_she_s_just)

[KevinTBrown]

McCain guarantees win (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14951.html).


Riiiiiiiiiiight.... If McCain wins it, the election was stolen. Period.

[Michael P]

McCain guarantees win (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14951.html).


Riiiiiiiiiiight.... If McCain wins it, the election was stolen. Period.

What, you think he's going to say, "Yeah, I'm gonna get my ass handed to me on election night"?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

McCain guarantees win (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14951.html).


Riiiiiiiiiiight.... If McCain wins it, the election was stolen. Period.

What, you think he's going to say, "Yeah, I'm gonna get my ass handed to me on election night"?

That would be some wild straight talk. But yeah he's gotta try and motivate a campaign thats shattering apart before our eyes he has a shot.

[KevinTBrown]

What, you think he's going to say, "Yeah, I'm gonna get my ass handed to me on election night"?

True.....

But he is on the "straight talk express". :tongue:

[Crowley]

McCain huffs and puffs on Meet the Press this morning as the classic MtP zig zag hits him in the ass:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27387444#27387444

[mattx110]

It would be nice to have a presidential election where we actually do know who's won by late voting night... That part sounds hopeful.

[AllisterH]

:biggrin: :biggrin: The fact is if MCCain had been of the 2000 version, he would've easily fended off Obama's hammering of the "90% figure".

A 65-70% voting pattern is much less impressive and the "McCain = Bush" mantra wouldve had no legs AT ALL.

Yet, the funny thing is, the MCCain of 2000 wouldn't have had any luck getting the nomination.....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

:biggrin: :biggrin: The fact is if MCCain had been of the 2000 version, he would've easily fended off Obama's hammering of the "90% figure".

A 65-70% voting pattern is much less impressive and the "McCain = Bush" mantra wouldve had no legs AT ALL.

Yet, the funny thing is, the MCCain of 2000 wouldn't have had any luck getting the nomination.....

Well you gotta think that as someone told me a few weeks back...McCain and the Republican Party really thought Hillary Clinton would be facing John McCain. And beating Hillary to them meant going with the old war horse John McCain. You can tell its how he won the nomination . Because it came down to him and someone with no experince but a likeable , hell of a guy Mike Huckabee.

The party never expected this young dynamic Barack Obama to win the Democratic nomination . They never game planned for it. You can bet some are thinking now... "Maybe we should have picked Huckabee ..."

In 2012 they gotta get someone who identifies with the common man. And they need someone who is smart and can handle the media. And by all likelyhood...its gonna be Huckabee. He only stayed around so long to get his name out there in this contest this year.

[Buzz Dixon]

It would be nice to have a presidential election where we actually do know who's won by late voting night... That part sounds hopeful.I've got a feeling we're gonna know about five minutes after the east coast polls close... :biggrin:

[Buzz Dixon]

In retrospect, Huckabee-Romney would have been a more formidable ticket for the GOP this year.

[CutterMike]

:biggrin: :biggrin: The fact is if MCCain had been of the 2000 version, he would've easily fended off Obama's hammering of the "90% figure".

A 65-70% voting pattern is much less impressive and the "McCain = Bush" mantra wouldve had no legs AT ALL.

Yet, the funny thing is, the MCCain of 2000 wouldn't have had any luck getting the nomination.....This has often seemed to me to be the Dempcrats' problem. They would field two types of candidates -- ones that were liberal enough to be nominatable and ones that were centrist enough to be electable.

They just weren't, generally, the same people.

For once, the Republicans ran into that, as the fringe forced the candidates further to the right in order to be nominatable.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In retrospect, Huckabee-Romney would have been a more formidable ticket for the GOP this year.

Huckabee could claim he was really an outsider , he never went with Bush on anything and was coming in with new ideas ala Obama. Plus had McCain not gambled and fucked up his campaign by picking Palin , he could have picked Huckabee and likely not been hurt as bad. Some suggested it since Huckabee had a strong religious pull with that segment of voters.

[Kevinroc]

Well you gotta think that as someone told me a few weeks back...McCain and the Republican Party really thought Hillary Clinton would be facing John McCain. And beating Hillary to them meant going with the old war horse John McCain. You can tell its how he won the nomination . Because it came down to him and someone with no experince but a likeable , hell of a guy Mike Huckabee.

The party never expected this young dynamic Barack Obama to win the Democratic nomination . They never game planned for it. You can bet some are thinking now... "Maybe we should have picked Huckabee ..."

In 2012 they gotta get someone who identifies with the common man. And they need someone who is smart and can handle the media. And by all likelyhood...its gonna be Huckabee. He only stayed around so long to get his name out there in this contest this year.

I have been saying for awhile now that the Republicans really wanted to run against Hillary Clinton. It's who they expected to run against. They didn't know what to do against Obama so they essentially ran a campaign that looked like Hillary 2.0 (and we saw how well that worked for her).

Huckabee certainly seems like a nice guy (I wouldn't have voted for him but he seems like a perfectly nice person. I don't think that's an act or anything). I don't know if he will run again in four years time (it's certainly possible but I'm not certain).

[Stressfactor]

That, and the Republican's religious base splintered this year. Bush had the support of the Evangelicals AND the conservative Catholics -- including Hispanic Catholics.

The thing is, since 2004 the Republican Right has slid even farther Right and in doing so they totally lost the Catholics. All the Evangelicals care about is abortion and gay rights and the Catholics, while they care about those issues too, have a much deeper Social Issues bench -- they care about poverty, they care about the environment, they care about health care, they care about the war and military issues, and they care about the Death Penalty among other things and Bush lost them on most of those and McCain didn't bother to address most of those and has filp-flopped himself on the environment.

Obama spoke to more of those Social Justice issues -- health care and poverty and the military... plus, Biden is a Catholic himself so Obama picked up the moderately conservative Catholic vote.

McCain brought in Palin to play to a base that just wasn't as powerful anymore as everyone said it was. But he still probably would have done better with Huckabee -- at least he had Evangelical cred AND still appealed somewhat to moderates.

[Kevinroc]

Huckabee could claim he was really an outsider , he never went with Bush on anything and was coming in with new ideas ala Obama. Plus had McCain not gambled and fucked up his campaign by picking Palin , he could have picked Huckabee and likely not been hurt as bad. Some suggested it since Huckabee had a strong religious pull with that segment of voters.

Really, the person McCain might have done much better with is Mitt Romney. McCain could have then made a case for the country's economic problems (whether picking Romney would have worked or not is a matter of debate). Instead he picked Palin, someone who is... a dummy... Palin can't do anything except engage in partisan attacks against the Democrats.

Once people realized that she was dumb and that she was corrupt, she lost pretty much everyone that wasn't a hardcore Republican. It looks like she'll make a go for her party's nomination in four years should McCain lose (a scenario that looks increasingly likely).

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I have been saying for awhile now that the Republicans really wanted to run against Hillary Clinton. It's who they expected to run against. They didn't know what to do against Obama so they essentially ran a campaign that looked like Hillary 2.0 (and we saw how well that worked for her).

Huckabee certainly seems like a nice guy (I wouldn't have voted for him but he seems like a perfectly nice person. I don't think that's an act or anything). I don't know if he will run again in four years time (it's certainly possible but I'm not certain).

Ohh I think with him hosting a Fox News show and doing appearances on other shows...he's keeping his name out there. He knows if he keeps his name out there for the next 4 years and gathers the experince...he'll have the edge here.

Really, the person McCain might have done much better with is Mitt Romney. McCain could have then made a case for the country's economic problems (whether picking Romney would have worked or not is a matter of debate). Instead he picked Palin, someone who is... a dummy... Palin can't do anything except engage in partisan attacks against the Democrats.

Once people realized that she was dumb and that she was corrupt, she lost pretty much everyone that wasn't a hardcore Republican. It looks like she'll make a go for her party's nomination in four years should McCain lose (a scenario that looks increasingly likely).


I think what hurt Romney was his "flip flopping" issues and the fact he had problems admitting he had lobbyists on his campaign. Its why it fizzled fast.

Palin ..she's making a play to be there in 4 years. Its just ...does the party really want a dummy representing them as President ? And her handling of the media on issues shows she'll suffer. If it came down to her and Huckabee ...I think the party would rather go with someone who is smart.

[Stressfactor]

The other thing is that Palin really only has her religious cred going for her and I'm hoping that, after this year, the Republican party will realize that the Evangelical wing is a paper tiger and quit being so shit scared of them that they let them bully the rest of the party.

[Kevinroc]

Ohh I think with him hosting a Fox News show and doing appearances on other shows...he's keeping his name out there. He knows if he keeps his name out there for the next 4 years and gathers the experince...he'll have the edge here.


It would keep his name out there but he won't be getting any government experience. He's going to be a former politician running for president. It's not impossible but it might make a case difficult for him.

I think what hurt Romney was his "flip flopping" issues and the fact he had problems admitting he had lobbyists on his campaign. Its why it fizzled fast.

He's also a Mormon. It made his appeal a bit difficult (he also split the religious vote with Huckabee).

Palin ..she's making a play to be there in 4 years. Its just ...does the party really want a dummy representing them as President ? And her handling of the media on issues shows she'll suffer. If it came down to her and Huckabee ...I think the party would rather go with someone who is smart.

She really appeals to her base. The problem is she doesn't really appeal to anyone else at this point. McCain was supposed to appeal to the centrists but instead he is struggling to win the centrists over. So his VP pick was meant to appeal to an ever shrinking demographic (and disgruntled Hillary supporters).

It looks like the Republicans are going to have to do some soul-searching after this election. If the Democrats take the White House and get 60 seats in the Senate (as well as picking up a number of new House seats), the Republicans will really not have much in the way of power. This is why you see people talking about a civil war within the Republican party between the fiscal conservatives (but more social libertarian) and the religious conservatives for whom abortion and gay rights seem to be the only major issues.

[AllisterH]

Can you blame the republicans for getting snookered by Obama's nomination.

Seriously, prior to the democratic nomination cycle, what percentage of voters actually knew about the difference between a caucus and a primary?

The other problem and this is where I think gets ignored. MCCain at one pt was tied/slight lead with Obama up to when Shrub announced the credit crisis.

From that point on, it was downhill and this was where McCain lost votes not just because of his erratic behaviour but aso because people just want the Republicans gone....

[KevinTBrown]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Early_vote_buzz_in_Ohio_and_Florida.html#comments

Some early vote totals from OH & FL.

[Cam63]

The other thing is that Palin really only has her religious cred going for her and I'm hoping that, after this year, the Republican party will realize that the Evangelical wing is a paper tiger and quit being so shit scared of them that they let them bully the rest of the party.

Dickheads shouldn't scare anyone over the age of 10.

[Tobias March]

Dickheads shouldn't scare anyone over the age of 10.

Russell Crowe scares me....

What I wonder is whether John McCain and Palin are patsy candidates. This nonsense about the woman pretending to have been assaulted or the 'terrorist' jibes at Obama...that's not ratfucking. That's amateur crap by idiots who don't even have a thimble of ideology to their credit.

The next couple of years are going to be incredibly difficult and the Republicans get to sit out on the blame once the Democrats are in. Punitive taxes, rising prices - all that can be blamed on the Democrats over the next few years thanks to the always reliable goldfish memory effect.

Maybe the Republicans flushed this election deliberately. It's the nutjobs who are out in force. Over the past 8 years American corporations got to stripmine Iraq for whatever they could. Corruption and embezzlement was rampant. The Bush administration was a capitalist keg-party of opportunism. Those with the means had the option to make a huge profit and then bail. Now we are suffering the results of free-wheeling profiteering - particularly in the sub-prime mortgage arena - but those who were making the money, if they were smart, could have cashed their chips long ago and are now resting on their well-earned gains.

THAT'S ratfucking, on a global scale and I find the thought sadly plausible.

[Cam63]

Russell Crowe scares me....

Just be glad he's toned things down a bit.

[FalconX2000]

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Ya hear that people?! You send your kid to Harvard, he'll lose his American citizenship. You know all that stuff about America being the land of the free, freedom to worship, freedom to be left alone, freedom of speech...those things? Forget them. In America you don't have the freedom to be smart.

[the4thpip]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Early_vote_buzz_in_Ohio_and_Florida.html#comments

Some early vote totals from OH & FL.

Meanwhile, in Florida, the latest official numbers show Democrats taking a lead over Republicans in the votes already cast, 871,251 to 818,799.

That's a pretty meaningless number, considering the a lot of registered Democrats in Florida usually vote for Republican presidential candidates. At least they used to.