2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega thread

[BnL]

Pip, I so did not need to see Carrot Top's scabrous pubic region. :tongue:

[the4thpip]

http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/09/30/tomo/story.jpg

[the4thpip]

Pip, I so did not need to see Carrot Top's scabrous pubic region. :tongue:

Well, at least we know the carpet matches the curtains.

[Demon Heart]

Palin-L= Pain

Remember this when voting.

[Samuel Catalino]

Guess what clip we haven't seen from Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin?

Sarah Palin Can't Name Supreme Court Case Other Than Roe V. Wade (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html)



Dood! C'mon. At least say "Brown v. Board which overturned Plessy v. Ferguson." Shit, buddy, that's eighth grade knowledge.

Probably because that is the one she is hammered with all of the time.

Brown v Board has little significance these days. Just as the Dred Scott decision.

Now the McCulloch vs. Maryland has more significance than either Brown v Board or Plessy v Ferguson.

[Samuel Catalino]

Because we are so sick and tired of politics as-is that when anybody runs a campaign and platform that looks even the slightest bit grown up, we are stunned and amazed.

Let me know when someone does run a campaign that is grown up.

I have not seen it from Junior or McCain.

[the4thpip]

Let me know when someone does run a campaign that is grown up.

I have not seen it from Junior or McCain.

How about from Mr Obama then? And Bush isn't even running this time.

[Calybos]

Probably because that is the one she is hammered with all of the time.

Brown v Board has little significance these days. Just as the Dred Scott decision.

Now the McCulloch vs. Maryland has more significance than either Brown v Board or Plessy v Ferguson.


You'd think they would have at least briefed her on a recent little number called Bush v Gore. (Or, more accurately, Bush v America.)

[FalconX2000]

http://www.blackvoices.com/newsarticle/_a/obama-effigy-hung-from-college-tree/20080926083709990001

...how nice to know that racism seems to be fading with each generation. :rolleyes:

[Samuel Catalino]

You'd think they would have at least briefed her on a recent little number called Bush v Gore. (Or, more accurately, Bush v America.)

You know that was pertinent for the 2000 election. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the 2008 election.

Has anyone read the decision (there were two) and why the decision went against Gore?

[KevinTBrown]

Let me know when someone does run a campaign that is grown up.

I have not seen it from Junior or McCain.

The more you use "Junior" to describe.... well, whomever.... the more I realize you have no clue.

[the4thpip]

The more you use "Junior" to describe.... well, whomever.... the more I realize you have no clue.

We should be grateful he doesn't call him "boy" I suppose.

[Samuel Catalino]

By the Democrats words themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

You also might want to read the Oxley Sarbanes bill too.

This all took place a year before Junior assumed his seat in the Senate.

Did he know anything about this? Did he do anything about this?

[Samuel Catalino]

The more you use "Junior" to describe.... well, whomever.... the more I realize you have no clue.

That is what Junior is, a junior.

Are you one of those typical white people that Junior has spoken about in the past?

[Infra-Man]

Probably because that is the one she is hammered with all of the time.

Brown v Board has little significance these days. Just as the Dred Scott decision.

Now the McCulloch vs. Maryland has more significance than either Brown v Board or Plessy v Ferguson.

You were able name two other cases aside from Brown v. Board and Plessy v. Ferguson off the top of your head, both of which were landmark rulings. How many did she name again?

Seriously, these cases are basic and important parts of United States history. If we expect our middle school or high school students to know it, I'd hope the people in our government can at least meet that standard.

[the4thpip]

Guess what clip we haven't seen from Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin?

Sarah Palin Can't Name Supreme Court Case Other Than Roe V. Wade (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html)



Dood! C'mon. At least say "Brown v. Board which overturned Plessy v. Ferguson." Shit, buddy, that's eighth grade knowledge.

But you know. She can see the court house from her Governor's office.
That makes her an expert on the judiciary.

[Stressfactor]

Brown v Board has little significance these days.

Come to Missouri and say that.

Considering that two of the cities I've lived in in Missiouri had issues about busing, school quality in predominately Black neighborhoods vs. predominantly white neighborhoods, and attempts to keep schools racially integrated that are, at the heart, all still fall-out from Brown v. Board.

[Charles RB]

That is what Junior is, a junior.


I suppose a 47-year-old career politician would count as a junior if you were an elderly pensioner.

Which you're not.

[Infra-Man]

According to John McCain, voters asking candidates questions is an example of "gotcha journalism."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNHgJH2680

I like that McCain is babysitting Sarah Palin in this interview. It's pathetic.

[the4thpip]

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/GALwallst.GIF

[Matt Doc Martin]

That is what Junior is, a junior.

Are you one of those typical white people that Junior has spoken about in the past?

Are you a racist or a moron?

[Royal]

That is what Junior is, a junior.

Are you one of those typical white people that Junior has spoken about in the past?

Kids table is that way.

[KevinTBrown]

Are you a racist or a moron?

The answer is "yes".

[the4thpip]

Are you a racist or a moron?

That is not an "or" question.

[the4thpip]

Another call on Sarah Palin to withdraw:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/29/intv.tsr.zakaria.on.palin.cnn

[Samuel Catalino]

You were able name two other cases aside from Brown v. Board and Plessy v. Ferguson off the top of your head, both of which were landmark rulings. How many did she name again?

Seriously, these cases are basic and important parts of United States history. If we expect our middle school or high school students to know it, I'd hope the people in our government can at least meet that standard.

Well, neither the Dred Scott or Plessy v Ferguson or Brown v Board of Education have much bearing on current events.

Roe v Wade does because of the abortion issue, and McCulloch v Maryland got the catchy sound bite that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." The second case has far reaching implications although Marbury v Madison might actually more significance. I learned none of those in high school or in a four year college.

[Samuel Catalino]

Are you a racist or a moron?

I am merely repeating what Junior said. Take it up with him.

[Samuel Catalino]

The answer is "yes".

So you are a racist?

[Samuel Catalino]

That is not an "or" question.


You are both a racist and a moron? That clarifies everything if that is your final answer.

[AaronJ]

Well, neither the Dred Scott or Plessy v Ferguson or Brown v Board of Education have much bearing on current events.

Roe v Wade does because of the abortion issue, and McCulloch v Maryland got the catchy sound bite that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." The second case has far reaching implications although Marbury v Madison might actually more significance. I learned none of those in high school or in a four year college.

Wow.

Our schools really DO need improving!

[Arrogantcur]

Sarah Palin Can't Name Supreme Court Case Other Than Roe V. Wade (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html)

Okay, living in Canada and not becoming particularly interested in politics until I was shocked out of my blissful ignorance by the invasion of Iraq, with much of my knowledge of Supreme Court cases coming from America: The Book by the Daily Show's writers along with the occasional tidbit I picked up here or there, let's see how many I can name off the top of my head. You'll just have to take me at my word that I didn't go and look up cases so I could appear more knowledgable than I am:

-Lawrence v. Texas
-Dred Scott v. somebody (I don't know what it was called, but I do know that the guy wanted to be acknowledged as a human being, and the Supreme Court decided that he wasn't)
-Brown v. Board of Education
-....ummmm....thinking....what other ones are there?
-Hamid (sp?) v. Rumsfeld

Ah hell, I guess that's about it. But it's still four more than Palin can name. So...yay me? :redface:

[Samuel Catalino]

Come to Missouri and say that.

Considering that two of the cities I've lived in in Missiouri had issues about busing, school quality in predominately Black neighborhoods vs. predominantly white neighborhoods, and attempts to keep schools racially integrated that are, at the heart, all still fall-out from Brown v. Board.

After enduring race riots when busing began in Florida, I got a first hand on that except in the schools near the base, which were integrated at that time. Those schools did not have the same problems.

Forcing kids to be transported from neighborhoods miles away from the school was tough on all concerned and had nothing to do with Brown v Board. It just eliminated the so called separate but equal that came with Plessy v Ferguson.

You had separate schools in the same school district which were distinguished by race, which is what Brown v Board dealt with. A future USCJ was among the lawyer who litigated this successfully.

[Samuel Catalino]

Wow.

Our schools really DO need improving!

I know, I know, I should have written: "The second case has far reaching implications although Marbury v Madison might have actually more significance.

My apologizes for my bad grammar.

[the4thpip]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/obamavmccain.jpg

[Charles RB]

I am merely repeating what Junior said. Take it up with him.

Stop fucking calling him Junior unless you are substantially older than 47.

[Arrogantcur]

According to John McCain, voters asking candidates questions is an example of "gotcha journalism."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNHgJH2680

I like that McCain is babysitting Sarah Palin in this interview. It's pathetic.

At one point she says something like "Never would our Administration show our cards to terrorists, in this case to enemy..."

Um, Sarah? Doesn't it kind of go without saying that terrorists are the enemy?

Also, I am embarassed that I did not remember Bush v. Gore. I feel quite the moron right now. :frown:

[Samuel Catalino]

Okay, living in Canada and not becoming particularly interested in politics until I was shocked out of my blissful ignorance by the invasion of Iraq, with much of my knowledge of Supreme Court cases coming from America: The Book by the Daily Show's writers along with the occasional tidbit I picked up here or there, let's see how many I can name off the top of my head. You'll just have to take me at my word that I didn't go and look up cases so I could appear more knowledgable than I am:

-Lawrence v. Texas
-Dred Scott v. somebody (I don't know what it was called, but I do know that the guy wanted to be acknowledged as a human being, and the Supreme Court decided that he wasn't)
-Brown v. Board of Education
-....ummmm....thinking....what other ones are there?
-Hamid (sp?) v. Rumsfeld

Ah hell, I guess that's about it. But it's still four more than Palin can name. So...yay me? :redface:

The first case pretty much threw the government out of the bedroom. Goodbye sodomy laws, now if they can leave those other people alone who want to have multiple wives.

It was Dred Scott v Sandford (not to be confused with Sanford and Son), but no big deal, you got the heart of the case.

The other we have gone over.

You spelt the plantiff correctly. Didn't Rumsfeld lose that one? I am not sure about that one.

[Samuel Catalino]

Stop fucking calling him Junior unless you are substantially older than 47.

Sorry, but he is a Junior, and even if I was substantially older than 47, it makes no difference.

The truth matters.

[Samuel Catalino]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/obamavmccain.jpg


Now that is a racist comic book cover.

[Charles RB]

Sorry, but he is a Junior

But you're not saying "Junior Senator", his job, or "Barack Obama Jr", his name. You're using Junior as an insult, based on alleged youth and inexperience.

Now, if someone's going to call someone else "Junior" as a "ha ha he's young and inexperienced" insult, they better damn well be older than "Junior" and not be talking about someone who actually has demonstrated political experience.

Which you're not and you are, respectively.

This is not the truth, it's you being a git.

[AaronJ]

I know, I know, I should have written: "The second case has far reaching implications although Marbury v Madison might have actually more significance.

My apologizes for my bad grammar.

I was commenting on the fact that you hadn't been taught these cases in school.

I find that unbelievable.

[KevinTBrown]

You are both a racist and a moron? That clarifies everything if that is your final answer.

No, my final answer is you're nothing but a Rick Olney tool, regardless of what you may be saying in the Olney thread, who's spouting idiotic, inane, racist rhetoric here. You're worse than Samurai and Briareos combined. Lying when it suits you and playing games to fuck around.

[the4thpip]

Improved it a little I think:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/obamavmccain2.jpg

[Matt Doc Martin]

I am merely repeating what Junior said. Take it up with him.

That was a rhetorical question. I know you are a moron. Your words show you to be a racist as well.

So you are a racist?

You are both a racist and a moron? That clarifies everything if that is your final answer.

My gods...the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense! Well, color ME done!

Sorry, but he is a Junior, and even if I was substantially older than 47, it makes no difference.

The truth matters.

It does. Are you actually familar with the truth?

No, my final answer is you're nothing but a Rick Olney tool, regardless of what you may be saying in the Olney thread, who's spouting idiotic, inane, racist rhetoric here. You're worse than Samurai and Briareos combined. Lying when it suits you and playing games to fuck around.


To be fair, he is utterly desparate for friends.

[Stressfactor]

No, my final answer is you're nothing but a Rick Olney tool, regardless of what you may be saying in the Olney thread, who's spouting idiotic, inane, racist rhetoric here. You're worse than Samurai and Briareos combined. Lying when it suits you and playing games to fuck around.

Kevin, you might want to dial it back a bit. Admittedly, Sam is being a tool here but referring to Obama as "Junior" is, while derogatory, technically correct in that Obama is still a "Junior Senator from Illinois".

However, hopefully, after November that will change to President of the United States of America.

As for you Sam -- you *could* cut out the snark. You're using the term "Junior" in a way you KNOW will be taken as racially charged but you do it in such a way that you can always CLAIM you don't mean it that way. That's cowardice.

[the4thpip]

Letterman won't let it go:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/david-letterman-vs-john-m_n_130521.html

[Samuel Catalino]

No, my final answer is you're nothing but a Rick Olney tool, regardless of what you may be saying in the Olney thread, who's spouting idiotic, inane, racist rhetoric here. You're worse than Samurai and Briareos combined. Lying when it suits you and playing games to fuck around.

The problem is that you employ Olney tactics to a 't'.

You are more like RO than RO is. I would trust you about as much as I would him.

[Samuel Catalino]

That was a rhetorical question. I know you are a moron. Your words show you to be a racist as well.





My gods...the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense! Well, color ME done!



It does. Are you actually familar with the truth?




To be fair, he is utterly desparate for friends.

You are in error and do not know what you are talking about.

[Samuel Catalino]

Improved it a little I think:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/obamavmccain2.jpg

Improved it a lot.

[the4thpip]

You are in error and do not know what you are talking about.

Matt has not been wrong around many things.
Unlike you.

[KevinTBrown]

The problem is that you employ Olney tactics to a 't'.

You are more like RO than RO is. I would trust you about as much as I would him.

That means we're BFF now? :eek:




Damn.


Time to place you where you belong: On ignore. Go troll elsewhere.


Now then, to everyone not named Samuel Catalino, my sincere apologies. Back to what's important: this year's election.

[the4thpip]

I didn't create this one, but thought it was too cute not to share:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/logsmaller.jpg

[Samuel Catalino]

Kevin, you might want to dial it back a bit. Admittedly, Sam is being a tool here but referring to Obama as "Junior" is, while derogatory, technically correct in that Obama is still a "Junior Senator from Illinois".

However, hopefully, after November that will change to President of the United States of America.

As for you Sam -- you *could* cut out the snark. You're using the term "Junior" in a way you KNOW will be taken as racially charged but you do it in such a way that you can always CLAIM you don't mean it that way. That's cowardice.

Since when is calling someone Junior (especially when that he what he is) racial? Especially since that is his name.

If Junior is elected President of the United States, he will still be Junior.

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Take a look at the number after the name. It says II, but another name is Junior.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

[Samuel Catalino]

That means we're BFF now? :eek:




Damn.


Time to place you where you belong: On ignore. Go troll elsewhere.


Now then, to everyone not named Samuel Catalino, my sincere apologies. Back to what's important: this year's election.

We have never been friends.

Why did you bother with me in the first place?

[Samuel Catalino]

Matt has not been wrong around many things.
Unlike you.

You have the right to be wrong.

[Arrogantcur]

Since when is calling someone Junior (especially when that he what he is) racial? Especially since that is his name.

It's not racial, but it is blatantly contemptuous.

[Charles RB]

If Junior is elected President of the United States, he will still be Junior.


And you'd only be using the term "junior" to refer to him to make derogatory insinuations about his abilities, in the same way people have used it for Bush (insinuating he got the job cos of who his dad was and that he's a big child).

Why even pretend you're not using it as an insult?

[Charles RB]

Improved it a little I think:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/obamavmccain2.jpg

You should do one of these with a Prez cover. :biggrin:

[Samuel Catalino]

I was commenting on the fact that you hadn't been taught these cases in school.

I find that unbelievable.

We were living through history when I went to school. JFK, Malcom XMLK & RFK murders, Monks setting themselves on fire in protest, riots in the streets, drugs and rock and roll. Rock and Rollers overdosing. Deaths and riots on college campuses. Lots of speeches, lots of marches.

Many of the Supreme Court Cases were glossed over in high school, and were barely mentioned in college.

It is not that unbelievable.

[the4thpip]

You have the right to be wrong.

You have the right, nay, the responsibility to go back on your medication.

[AaronJ]

We were living through history when I went to school. JFK, Malcom XMLK & RFK murders, Monks setting themselves on fire in protest, riots in the streets, drugs and rock and roll. Rock and Rollers overdosing. Deaths and riots on college campuses. Lots of speeches, lots of marches.

Many of the Supreme Court Cases were glossed over in high school, and were barely mentioned in college.

It is not that unbelievable.

Not even Marbury v Madison? Really?!

[Samuel Catalino]

Not even Marbury v Madison? Really?!

Yes, can you believe that? That was one(if not the most important) of the most important cases in early United States history.

[KevinTBrown]

Back to the election:

I love Biden's strategy here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14097.html

[Stressfactor]

Since when is calling someone Junior (especially when that he what he is) racial? Especially since that is his name.

If Junior is elected President of the United States, he will still be Junior.

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Take a look at the number after the name. It says II, but another name is Junior.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

Unless you honestly ARE someone's son and your family calls you "Junior" then it is demeaning and insulting... and in this case, yes, it also has racial overtones since it is like calling someonea child... or "boy".

It is also, QUITE obvious that you are being derrogitory in that Obama's family placed the "II" behind his name NOT "Junior". You are DELIBERATELY changing this in order to be provacative.

As for your claim that "Junior" is interchangable with "II" -- NO IT IS NOT! Go learn something. "Junior" MAY or MAY NOT be ued when the SON is named after the FATHER. "II" May be used if the son is named after the Father... HOWEVER it may also be used if the son is named after ANOTHER MALE RELATIVE. So, for example, if a man is named Albert Russell Hall and he names his son Ryan Patrick Hall but the son names HIS son Albert Russell Hall then the grandfather becomes Albert Russell Hall I and the grandson becomes Albert Russell Hall II.

And I'm with Kevin... from now on you're on ignore to me.

[Samuel Catalino]

You have the right, nay, the responsibility to go back on your medication.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I do not go to your doctor. I hope you recover soon.

[Samuel Catalino]

Unless you honestly ARE someone's son and your family calls you "Junior" then it is demeaning and insulting... and in this case, yes, it also has racial overtones since it is like calling someonea child... or "boy".

It is also, QUITE obvious that you are being derrogitory in that Obama's family placed the "II" behind his name NOT "Junior". You are DELIBERATELY changing this in order to be provacative.

As for your claim that "Junior" is interchangable with "II" -- NO IT IS NOT! Go learn something. "Junior" MAY or MAY NOT be ued when the SON is named after the FATHER. "II" May be used if the son is named after the Father... HOWEVER it may also be used if the son is named after ANOTHER MALE RELATIVE. So, for example, if a man is named Albert Russell Hall and he names his son Ryan Patrick Hall but the son names HIS son Albert Russell Hall then the grandfather becomes Albert Russell Hall I and the grandson becomes Albert Russell Hall II.

And I'm with Kevin... from now on you're on ignore to me.

Sure it is interchangable. It might not be insulting to those people Junior spoke about bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

I have the same question for you as I did with Kevin. Why did you bother engaging me when you knew that you were not going to change my mind about Junior?

It would be quite easy for Junior to take care of the problem. Change his name.

Of course that did not stop a whole host of people with Bush the last seven years.

Junior he remains.

[Stressfactor]

http://homepage.mac.com/aurich/ars/locks/feed_trolls.gif

My new motto.

Now, back to the subject at hand....

[the4thpip]

Back to the election:

I love Biden's strategy here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14097.html

I'm not so sure I agree with the campaign that McCain's age does not make a difference. I hope that at least they both get asked "what makes you ready to be president if you have to?"

[the4thpip]

"I think she has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States," David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush who is now a conservative columnist, said in an interview. "If she doesn't perform well [in Thursday's vice presidential debate], then people see it.

"And this is a moment of real high anxiety, a little bit like 9/11, when people look to Washington for comfort and leadership and want to know that people in charge know what they are doing."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30palin.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

[KevinTBrown]

I'm not so sure I agree with the campaign that McCain's age does not make a difference. I hope that at least they both get asked "what makes you ready to be president if you have to?"

To the campaign, it's not a talking point; to the American people, it is.

McCain is helping things along by being all over the place and completely wrong on whatever stance he takes. Somewhere along the line an editorial or commentator will ask if it's his age that's causing this.....

[AaronJ]

Oh god. After the debate, what will Tina Fey have for us? I almost feel sorry for Palin.

[KevinTBrown]

Oh god. After the debate, what will Tina Fey have for us? I almost feel sorry for Palin.

Sarah Palin, as she prepares for the debate:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/pub0009/UserImages/AI1314.jpg

[the4thpip]

Sarah Palin, as she prepares for the debate:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/pub0009/UserImages/AI1314.jpg

Stop being mean to deer!!

[AaronJ]

Sarah Palin, as she prepares for the debate:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/pub0009/UserImages/AI1314.jpg

Ouch.

Seriously. Ouch.

[the4thpip]

Obama's lead widens as that one weird "battle grounds only" poll by the George Washington university swings from McCain +2 to Obama +2 in one days.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

And he seems to take the lead in Florida:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

[KevinTBrown]

Obama's lead widens as that one weird "battle grounds only" poll by the George Washington university swings from McCain +2 to Obama +2 in one days.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

And he seems to take the lead in Florida:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

Re: the Florida poll.

I believe the Rasmussen poll more than what's listed. PPP (D) is not normally accurate.

Be that as it may, it's tie. :smile:

[the4thpip]

Ouch.

Seriously. Ouch.

If you think that was bad....

Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem, Sofia Coppola acting in "The Godfather: Part III," Sarah Palin talking about Russia -- they all create the same level of eyeball-squinching discomfort.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/index.html

[AaronJ]

If you think that was bad....



http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/index.html

Jesus.

I swear. The woman may be a bitch. She might have screwed over people around her to get to where she is.

But god almighty, she's being owned. It's really painful to watch.

[the4thpip]

Jesus.

I swear. The woman may be a bitch. She might have screwed over people around her to get to where she is.

But god almighty, she's being owned. It's really painful to watch.

That's what the article is about - the author is noting how suddenly, everybody is feeling sorry for Sarah P, and she can't bring herself to feel that way.

So here it is, finally. And as unpleasant as it may be to watch the humiliation of a woman who waltzed into a spotlight too strong to withstand, I flat out refuse to be manipulated into another stage of gendered regress -- back to the pre-Pelosi, pre-Hillary days when girls couldn't stand the heat and so were shooed back to the kitchen.

Sarah Palin is no wilting flower. She is a politician who took the national stage and sneered at the work of community activists. She boldly tries to pass off incuriosity and lassitude as regular-people qualities, thereby doing a disservice to all those Americans who also work two jobs and do not come from families that hand out passports and backpacking trips, yet still manage to pick up a paper and read about their government and seek out experience and knowledge.

When you stage a train wreck of this magnitude -- trying to pass one underqualified chick off as another highly qualified chick with the lame hope that no one will notice -- well, then, I don't feel bad for you.

[AaronJ]

That's what the article is about - the author is noting how suddenly, everybody is feeling sorry for Sarah P, and she can't bring herself to feel that way.

I know. And I understand those things. But ... yikes.

It's just brutal.

[the4thpip]

I know. And I understand those things. But ... yikes.

It's just brutal.

Just keep in mind to blame McCain for what she is going through, not the media for doing their work, and not the Obama campaign or whoever for pointing out why she is not qualified to be VP.

[Arrogantcur]

But god almighty, she's being owned. It's really painful to watch.

Only for another month and change!

Unless she gets elected, of course. Then she gets to be a punchline for another four years.

[KevinTBrown]

Only for another month and change!

Unless she gets elected, of course. Then she gets to be a punchline for another four years.

Bite your tongue!!!!

The entire US of A will be an even bigger punchline.... punching bag... punch drunk.... you name it, it's punched.

[Infra-Man]

Well, neither the Dred Scott or Plessy v Ferguson or Brown v Board of Education have much bearing on current events.

Roe v Wade does because of the abortion issue, and McCulloch v Maryland got the catchy sound bite that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." The second case has far reaching implications although Marbury v Madison might actually more significance. I learned none of those in high school or in a four year college.

Seriously? That's basic American History and if that's the case, your school curriculum sucked.

How can you teach the Civil War without mentioning Dred Scott?

How can you teach the Civil Rights Movement without Brown v. Board or Plessy v. Ferguson?

Surely McCulloch v. Maryland should be mentioned when talking about federal and state laws.

And surely Marbury v. Madison should be mentioned when you discuss judicial review and the branches of government in middle school or high school.

But regardless the failings of the school you attended, you did know these cases to some extent, and I'm sure we would like to have our leaders know basic American history.

[KevinTBrown]

Palin at GOP boot camp to prepare for debate. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080930/ts_alt_afp/usvotepalindebate)

Is it wrong of me to envision a boot camp a la "Full Metal Jacket"...?

:tongue:

[Buzz Dixon]

Sorry, but he is a Junior, and even if I was substantially older than 47, it makes no difference.

The truth matters.No, he is a junior senator. He is not a junior in any other aspect.

When you say "Junior" everybody here reads it as "boy" and that only makes you look bad, not Obama.

[Samuel Catalino]

No, he is a junior senator. He is not a junior in any other aspect.

When you say "Junior" everybody here reads it as "boy" and that only makes you look bad, not Obama.

Look at his birth certificate. If he wants to change his name, so be it.

Junior does not need me to make him look bad, he does it without any help with me.

[KevinTBrown]

I love Tom Toles:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_09302008_520.gif

[Buzz Dixon]

Look at his birth certificate. If he wants to change his name, so be it.

Junior does not need me to make him look bad, he does it without any help with me.Good-bye, Sam. You're going on my ignore list.

Contrarianism and difference of opinions I can live with, what you're doing is far uglier than that and, frankly, life's too short.

[KevinTBrown]

Good-bye, Sam. You're going on my ignore list.

Contrarianism and difference of opinions I can live with, what you're doing is far uglier than that and, frankly, life's too short.

Thank you.

One less person quoting him. :smile:

[kingdom2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNHgJH2680

Looked at the interview and what the hell is it with "gotcha journalism" crack? Why isn't a mantra by now that if the woman can't handle the press then she clearly is incapable of handling national affairs.

[Royal]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/political-pictures-vladimir-putin-see-alaska-from-here.jpg

[Corrina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNHgJH2680

Looked at the interview and what the hell is it with "gotcha journalism" crack? Why isn't a mantra by now that if the woman can't handle the press then she clearly is incapable of handling national affairs.

Somebody needs to run that clip of Sarah Palin herself, when she was asked about if a woman should be treated with kid gloves by the media.

I believe she said something of the nature of "Well, Putin is not going to give me a break because I'm a woman."

*Made before she got nominated for VP, of course.

[the4thpip]

MoveOn calls for apology from Brokaw

On Sunday's Meet the Press, NBC's Tom Brokaw allowed McCain strategist Steve Schmidt to falsely claim that John McCain had called for Don Rumsfeld to be fired. That's an old lie that the McCain campaign had abandoned long ago -- but Brokaw let Schmidt get away with bringing it back.

Even worse, Brokaw ended the segment by announcing -- "in fairness to everybody here" -- that the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll" found that John McCain "continues" to lead Barack Obama on the question of who is "best-equipped to be commander in chief."

Yesterday, Nicole Belle at Crooks and Liars pointed out that the numbers Brokaw read did not, in fact, appear in the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll."

Now MoveOn says they contacted NBC -- and "it turns out Brokaw was referring to a poll taken weeks ago--right after the Republican convention and well before Friday's big national security debate. And in each of NBC's last two polls, Americans chose Obama over McCain."

MoveOn thinks Brokaw should apologize.

That's a good first step. He might also want to figure out a way to reassure the public that he'll do a better -- and more fair -- job when he moderates the October 7 presidential debate.

He probably won't spend much time doing that, though -- his days are apparently pretty full acting as NBC's liaison to the McCain campaign. In that role, Brokaw works to assure the McCain camp that "Mr. McCain could still get a fair shake from NBC News."

After Brokaw's performance on Sunday, NBC should be scrambling to assure the Obama campaign of the same thing.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200809300005?show=1

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Somebody needs to run that clip of Sarah Palin herself, when she was asked about if a woman should be treated with kid gloves by the media.

I believe she said something of the nature of "Well, Putin is not going to give me a break because I'm a woman."

*Made before she got nominated for VP, of course.

McCain and the Republican party are killing themselves before our eyes. From the party claiming Pelosi was "Too Mean" and thats why some voted against the bailout (which led one Democrat to wisely say "You let the country suffer over hurt feelings ?") to the clusterfuck of suspending his election and the Palin debacle.

Its became a joke...and what kinda insane McCain thing we'll get today.

[Royal]

http://freelevi.org/Real_Time_with_Bill_Maher_files/editorial.jpg

FREE LEVI!! (http://freelevi.org/Real_Time_with_Bill_Maher.html)

[CutterMike]

Since when is calling someone Junior (especially when that he what he is) racial? Especially since that is his name.

If Junior is elected President of the United States, he will still be Junior.

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Take a look at the number after the name. It says II, but another name is Junior.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

...and do you call McCain "Third"?

Because that IS what he is.

Or is the only diminutive that you use reserved for the black guy?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I know this may sound far fetch but if John McCain was gonna pick a foolish young guy... why not SuperE ? I mean shit...I know a little about politics . But if he wanted a young , dumb person he couldn't have done no better than me . And hell... I'd be enertaining and let some swear words slip as well as some dirty jokes ...

If Palin is bad ... picking me as VP could have been just as bad. Maybe worse unless you don't want me flirting with Katie Couric on TV . Because damn it.. for the good of the country... I will !

[kingdom2000]

...and do you call McCain "Third"?

Because that IS what he is.

Or is the only diminutive that you use reserved for the black guy?

Another name for the third - Trey.

So Trey McCain :biggrin:

[Infra-Man]

Another name for the third - Trey.

So Trey McCain :biggrin:

Nah, use Roman numerals. Call him "III".

[the4thpip]

Nah, use Roman numerals. Call him "III".

He makes me ill...

[AaronJ]

OK, so Joe Biden, in place of Sarah Palin, is using Michigan Governor (and fellow Beauty Queen) Jennifer Granholm for debate practice. Now, I love Jen-Jen. She's one of a kind.

But I ask ...

WHY. NOT. TINA. FEY?! :smile:

[Michael P]

OK, so Joe Biden, in place of Sarah Palin, is using Michigan Governor (and fellow Beauty Queen) Jennifer Granholm for debate practice. Now, I love Jen-Jen. She's one of a kind.

But I ask ...

WHY. NOT. TINA. FEY?! :smile:
Because she's not professional politician or debator?

[the4thpip]

Because she's not professional politician or debator?

But she could help Biden practice what he will most need... The ability to keep a straight face.

[AaronJ]

But she could help Biden practice what he will most need... The ability to keep a straight face.

*laugh*

She has her DOWN. It's scary.

[Buzz Dixon]

I just hope they have Miles Lane on hand to stop the VP debate if it gets too bloody..

[the4thpip]

Dutchess County Republican Committee Chairwoman Corinne Weber has resigned over a chain e-mail she forwarded to party members, some of whom were offended by its content.

Weber forwarded an e-mail to more than two dozen Republicans on Friday night that makes a veiled reference to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and suggests he is the Antichrist.

The note, a bit of Internet flotsam that has floated around for months, inaccurately summarizes passages from the Book of Revelation. In fact, it refers to Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelations (sic).

The e-mail contends the “anti-Christ” will be a man in his 40s who is of Muslim descent and has a massive Christ-like appeal, but will destroy everything when he is in power.

The e-mail asks the reader, “Do we recognize this description?”

It also asks readers to post the message as many times “as you can,” including to media outlets.

“I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of nowhere,” the e-mail said.

Though the version forwarded by Weber did not mention Obama by name, earlier incarnations do.

Obama is Christian. The Book of Revelation was written before the prophet Muhammad founded the Islamic religion.

Weber deferred comment Monday to Vice Chairman Michael McCormack.
McCormack said he received a letter of resignation from Weber and he read it aloud at the Dutchess County GOP summit on Saturday.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080929/NEWS01/80929037/1006/news01

Lawd, I hope I'm not related to Ms Weber.
And one thing that always kills me about this email (remember that GOP mayor who was also in the news for forwarding it this week):
The Book of Revelation was written before the prophet Muhammad founded the Islamic religion.

Duh! You'd think that the people who this email is aimed at would know enough about their little fantasy book to realize it was Jews first, then Christians, then Muslims. And that there can't be a mention of Muslims in the bible, as little as of refrigerators or Marvel comics!!

[Royal]

I just hope they have Miles Lane on hand to stop the VP debate if it gets too bloody..

Dan Murgliota stops it before you bruise. How cool is that?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Dan Murgliota stops it before you bruise. How cool is that?

A lot of us wanna see some bruises and perhaps a broken nose...

[Sabrinaset]

A lot of us wanna see some bruises and perhaps a broken nose...

I think we all KNOW who wants to see barbed wire and a flaming table ...

[Royal]

A lot of us wanna see some bruises and perhaps a broken nose...

Yeah well, if Dan's on the job, expect it to be stopped on a stinger.

or an escape attempt.

[Royal]

I think we all KNOW who wants to see barbed wire and a flaming table ...

Not me. Break out the electricity.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think we all KNOW who wants to see barbed wire and a flaming table ...

Well the TNA Knockouts do ..do hardcore better than whats on ECW now !

[Corrina]

I think we all KNOW who wants to see barbed wire and a flaming table ...

I predict Palin will come out swinging and attacking, to rattle Biden, and get him to look like the aggressive one so she can play victim. It's the only way that will work for her.

I hope Biden holds his temper and along the lines of "well, there you go again..."

[AaronJ]

I predict Palin will come out swinging and attacking, to rattle Biden, and get him to look like the aggressive one so she can play victim. It's the only way that will work for her.

I hope Biden holds his temper and along the lines of "well, there you go again..."

I hope he can get her to actually answer a question.

[mattx110]

excerpt from Sean Hannity McCain interview

"well, he was debating, and you were calling him names, which is what you're supposed to do in a debate, not answer the questions and raise arguments, stupid Obama..."

The "..." is where I started crying.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I predict Palin will come out swinging and attacking, to rattle Biden, and get him to look like the aggressive one so she can play victim. It's the only way that will work for her.

I hope Biden holds his temper and along the lines of "well, there you go again..."

All he has to do...to defuse her is "Gov. Palin ....do you now know what a Vice President does and the policies of John McCain. Because you told Katie Couric last week you didn't know and would have to get back to her on it."

Biden I can bet can really tag her nicely...and not come across as being mean.

[CutterMike]

One thing that has me vaguely worried about the Veep debate is that, at the moment, expectations are so low for Palin that as long as she doesn't actively vomit on her shoes during the thing we'll be seeing the phrase "a surprisingly strong showing by Palin" featured in every news analysis the next day.

[Samuel Catalino]

Good-bye, Sam. You're going on my ignore list.

Contrarianism and difference of opinions I can live with, what you're doing is far uglier than that and, frankly, life's too short.

I am still here. I ask the same question of you as I did the other two. Why did you bother to engage me?

I am willing to wait until hell freezes over for the answer.

[Samuel Catalino]

...and do you call McCain "Third"?

Because that IS what he is.

Or is the only diminutive that you use reserved for the black guy?

Actually , when you start with the third and the fourth, you grant that person stature. Do you really want to grant that to McCain?

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin, being that I have yet to hear Junior tell us exactly what did he mean by typical white person.

[Samuel Catalino]

Thank you.

One less person quoting him. :smile:

By your acknowledging that, you engaged me.

Can't you hold to your word? I know that is something that is difficult for you, but at least for twenty four hours, I am sure you can muster up some self restraint.

[Matt Doc Martin]

Out of respect for Kevin, I will not quote you.

But stop being a dick.



Seriously.

He did not engage you. He does not like you. He wishes you would go away. He is not alone in that wish.

[CutterMike]

Actually , when you start with the third and the fourth, you grant that person stature. Do you really want to grant that to McCain?

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin, being that I have yet to hear Junior tell us exactly what did he mean by typical white person.
Probably one who isn't a relative who insists on calling him "junior", would be the way that I see it.

[C-Cool]

Sam...

Get a better topic to talk about.

Like another thread topic...

Like get out if you have nothing else to contribute...

Because I'm not in the feeding mood for you either.

Anyways, the debate will probably be so neutered that people will tune out of it, just as the Republicans planned it to be...

If not... Alaska's losing an idol, because that woman is going to hit bricks in her mind we never though would be there.

Just get the people to tune out. That's all she needs to do. Be BORING, or get OWNED.

Just get the viewers to not watch your bumbling. Please Palin. The best thing you can do is a dull performance. Don't be a hero...

[kingdom2000]

Let him call Obama Junior. If he is that silly and desperate to feel like the better man, let him have his little toys. His beliefs are clearly pretty darn fragile so just pat his head and say "good boy" for being "creative".

[BnL]

You guys, feeding trolls is never going to accomplish anything.

[kingdom2000]

^ But, but it can be so fun! They are so silly and stupid, its fun to poke and prod them. Its like a little itty bitty kitten. Sometimes making them hiss and spit and generally act tough just makes you go "ahhh! look at that tiny thing think its important and tough!" They think we take them seriousily so they keep it up...and we get our amusement laughing at them. Everyone wins! :evilsmile:

[Nick Soapdish]

One thing that has me vaguely worried about the Veep debate is that, at the moment, expectations are so low for Palin that as long as she doesn't actively vomit on her shoes during the thing we'll be seeing the phrase "a surprisingly strong showing by Palin" featured in every news analysis the next day.

Yeah, I'm expecting that as well.

A lot of people are going to be tuning in, expecting to see Palin self-destruct. If it isn't impressive enough, it'll be a bust. It's like those summer blockbusters that looked so great in the trailer and that had tons of great explosions, but just didn't match expectations.

(But then, I think this summer had some great action movies.)

And I'm still half-wondering if she's actually sabotaging her own appearances for that reason. It'd be really Machiavellian and require either absolutely no sense of self-worth or an absolute self-confidence. It's also really risky if not enough people see the debate or if that doesn't pan out.

[kingdom2000]

^ Yep sadly, if Palin answers even one question coherently, the debate will be a victory for the McCain camp. And considering the amount of slack people seem to want to cut Palin, that "victory" might be the excuse they are looking for to vote McCain.

Its biden that has it tough. He can't be the bully, but he can't appear to back down. He can't condesend...but he can't let her made up gibberish and exaggerations slide. He has to be very careful in his verbiage, always measuring it through the lens of "bullying" the poor woman....but not appear he lacks confidence in his owns words. He has to attack McCain, without appearing to attack Palin. Frankly the man is going to be walking a tightrope without a net.

[KevinTBrown]

One thing I found out tonight is that the moderator for the VP debate is female (NO idea who it is though), so that's going to ease up on the sexism claim you know will come out afterwards.



Edited to add: Her name is Gwen Ifill.

[Crowley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[KevinTBrown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I literally JUST saw that clip on Keith Olbermann's Countdown. :biggrin:

[Michael P]

Okay, that's it. Someone just ask her why most Americans can't find Iraq on a map.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dang it, Palin!

You are making Couric look legit. What the heck is wrong with you? These are basic questions...

[Crowley]

Okay, that's it. Someone just ask her why most Americans can't find Iraq on a map.

I thought that too, in fact I posted a thread comparing her first Couric interview with that Clip...

[Crowley]

Dang it, Palin!

You are making Couric look legit. What the heck is wrong with you? These are basic questions...

I know... If the great Tim Russert were still with us...she'd already have an apple in her mouth and be turning on a spit.

[Infra-Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/stewie.gif
"It's like she's fucking five!"

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/respectstewie.jpg

[C-Cool]

Fox News clip of spin. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/30/182120/503/379/615933)

Tucker Bounds, we have found a friend for you.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dear lord.... Biden doesn't even need to open his mouth ...he could stay silent and Palin would sink herself.

[Infra-Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

btw, a kind reminder to everyone that was brought up on a Fark thread:

Sarah Palin was a journalism major in college!

[kingdom2000]

btw, a kind reminder to everyone that was brought up on a Fark thread:

Sarah Palin was a journalism major in college!

Please journalism and communication degrees are a dime a dozen. Its like bragging you have an art degree. Flip through the TV news, read a newspaper and noticed the faces on tv usually don't even have a journalism degree (they just pretty or handsome) to tell you how unimportant they are (or at least how little they seem to lead to actual journalism).

[Kid Kamikaze10]

btw, a kind reminder to everyone that was brought up on a Fark thread:

Sarah Palin was a journalism major in college!

Which college? Because I'm hoping that they get a reevaluation for this mess.

[Infra-Man]

Please journalism and communication degrees are a dime a dozen. Its like bragging you have an art degree. Flip through the TV news, read a newspaper and noticed the faces on tv usually don't even have a journalism degree (they just pretty or handsome) to tell you how unimportant they are (or at least how little they seem to lead to actual journalism).

You get out of an education what you put into it. Just because there are lots of psych and comm and lit and journalism majors doesn't mean all of them are total mooks. Furthermore, we would hope our political leaders got something out of their education, such as an appreciation for their field of study which enriches their view of the world.

A journalism major who cannot name a magazine or newspaper he or she currently reads is sad. A journalism major who is the governor of a state and is a vice presidential candidate and who cannot name a magazine or newspaper he or she currently reads is pathetic.

[kingdom2000]

You get out of an education what you put into it. Just because there are lots of psych and comm and lit and journalism majors doesn't mean all of them are total mooks. Furthermore, we would hope our political leaders got something out of their education, such as an appreciation for their field of study which enriches their view of the world.

A journalism major who cannot name a magazine or newspaper he or she currently reads is sad. A journalism major who is the governor of a state and is a vice presidential candidate and who cannot name a magazine or newspaper he or she currently reads is pathetic.

Even odder, as an Alaskan politician you would think she could have just named one of the Alaskan newspapers real quick or shoot go to the old standby of "I watch CNN and Fox News dontcha know!"

[Tobias March]

Um.....wrong! (http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm)


.....yet delightfully funny.

[Infra-Man]

Even odder, as an Alaskan politician you would think she could have just named one of the Alaskan newspapers real quick or shoot go to the old standby of "I watch CNN and Fox News dontcha know!"

For real! She could have named an Alaskan paper and then made a charming joke like, "Well, Katie, you know, I like CNN and Fox, but I get most of my TV news from CBS, dontcha know."

[FalconX2000]

Look at his birth certificate. If he wants to change his name, so be it.

Junior does not need me to make him look bad, he does it without any help with me.

Then call him Barack, or Obama, or junior senator, or any of those combinations. You damn well know that calling a black man junior has racial conotations, and you're being antagonistic because either

a) it has become a petty point of defiant pride being struck because we're telling you that the term you're using is offensive.

b) you're just trying to get reactions out of us.

[BnL]

b) you're just trying to get reactions out of us.

And he's succeeding. IGNORE HIM!

[FalconX2000]

And he's succeeding. IGNORE HIM!

NEVAR!


At least until he goes on my ignore list. Unlike Brareos, Samuel isn't amusing.

[kingdom2000]

NEVAR!


At least until he goes on my ignore list. Unlike Brareos, Samuel isn't amusing.

Actually he is very amusing, you just are not seeing the pathetic side of his insistence on using junior as a name. And make no mistake, it is pathetic. The man needs an ego boost and your helping him get it. Instead, just see the sadness and therefore the amusement you can get from his patheticness :D

[the4thpip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's Tina Fey, right? That is not real, is it?

Getting so hard to tell satire from reality...

[the4thpip]

Fox News clip of spin. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/30/182120/503/379/615933)

Tucker Bounds, we have found a friend for you.

I liked how that lady pulled her husband's arm down when he was the only one who raised his hand for McCain. :tongue:

[the4thpip]

btw, a kind reminder to everyone that was brought up on a Fark thread:

Sarah Palin was a journalism major in college!

In five colleges, no less!

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/36715/original.jpg

Her t-shirt reads: I may be broke, but I am not flat busted.

[the4thpip]

Why Sarah Palin Is A Better Debater Than You Think (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/why-sarah-palin-is-a-bett_n_130742.html)

I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she's a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do.

[Samuel Catalino]

Then call him Barack, or Obama, or junior senator, or any of those combinations. You damn well know that calling a black man junior has racial conotations, and you're being antagonistic because either

a) it has become a petty point of defiant pride being struck because we're telling you that the term you're using is offensive.

b) you're just trying to get reactions out of us.

Junior he is, and there is nothing racial about it.

If the truth is offensive, we need more of it.

[Charles RB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I concur with your AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! and raise you a DOOHHH HO HO HO HO!.

[Samuel Catalino]

Out of respect for Kevin, I will not quote you.

But stop being a dick.



Seriously.

He did not engage you. He does not like you. He wishes you would go away. He is not alone in that wish.


I perceive this was intended for me.

I am not being that, so I can not stop being what I am not.

He did engage me. It does not matter what he likes or what he does not like. Wishes are not usually granted.

[Samuel Catalino]

Probably one who isn't a relative who insists on calling him "junior", would be the way that I see it.

Junior and I have never met, so I can not agree with the way you see it.

[Samuel Catalino]

Sam...

Get a better topic to talk about.

Like another thread topic...

Like get out if you have nothing else to contribute...

Because I'm not in the feeding mood for you either.

Anyways, the debate will probably be so neutered that people will tune out of it, just as the Republicans planned it to be...

If not... Alaska's losing an idol, because that woman is going to hit bricks in her mind we never though would be there.

Just get the people to tune out. That's all she needs to do. Be BORING, or get OWNED.

Just get the viewers to not watch your bumbling. Please Palin. The best thing you can do is a dull performance. Don't be a hero...

As long as Junior is running for President, and this thread's name is 2008 U.S. Presidential Election Mega Thread, it is appropriate.

[the4thpip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*gasp*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's like a kid faking an answer in school:
"what's 5 plus 3?"
"you know, a number. An Arabic numeral. one of them."

[Nick Soapdish]

NEVAR!


At least until he goes on my ignore list. Unlike Brareos, Samuel isn't amusing.

And that's now, right?

I just read through about ten pages of thread where he completely managed to deflect from any discussion of the issues other than whether or not calling an adult "Junior" might be considered condescending. There's interesting stuff to be discussing instead.

The kid is just a troll.

[the4thpip]

Barring an October Surprise™ bigger than Bristol and Levi's shotgun wedding, and if the voting machines don't steal it, this is what we should be looking at come election night if current trends reflected in polls continue:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/novembermap.jpg

[the4thpip]

Obama Over 50 Percent In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1218

Those are 8 point leads in Ohio and Florida (outdoing the 3 point lead PPP found that Kevin did not like!), and a 15 point lead in Pennsylvania!!

[KevinTBrown]

Barring an October Surprise™ bigger than Bristol and Levi's shotgun wedding, and if the voting machines don't steal it, this is what we should be looking at come election night if current trends reflected in polls continue:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/the4thpip/novembermap.jpg

Great map, and I hope it does work out that way, but I don't see Obama taking Nevada and Missouri, regardless of current trends.


Obama Over 50 Percent In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1218

Those are 8 point leads in Ohio and Florida (outdoing the 3 point lead PPP found that Kevin did not like!), and a 15 point lead in Pennsylvania!!

And the only polls I tend to believe more often than not are Rasmussen and Gallup. Even though they're not calling people on cellphones....

Quinnipiac was all over the place during the primaries and was rarely accurate. One of their later polls, for example, had Obama in the lead in Ohio against Clinton by 1 or 2 points. I only remember that because of the 10 point loss he had there and chuckled at how off Quinnipiac had been

[the4thpip]

There was a good piece in Salon yesterday about how Obama can take Nevada (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/30/latino_nevada/) - and it didn't even mention the nuclear waste issue. I hope somebody runs some ads about McCain being in favor of the big nuclear waste dump in Nevada locally there.

[TCJohnson]

Great map, and I hope it does work out that way, but I don't see Obama taking Nevada and Missouri, regardless of current trends.

I also don't see him winning Virginia. There is a chance, but a slim one.

[the4thpip]

I also don't see him winning Virginia. There is a chance, but a slim one.

http://financialshopva.com/images/virginia_slims_one.jpg

4 our of the last 5 polls had Obama up 3 to 6 points in Virginia.

[Tages]

There was a good piece in Salon yesterday about how Obama can take Nevada (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/30/latino_nevada/) - and it didn't even mention the nuclear waste issue. I hope somebody runs some ads about McCain being in favor of the big nuclear waste dump in Nevada locally there.

We Nevadans like our booze, our guns, and our sex industry. In fact, there's a store in Fernley actually called "BOOZE, GUNS, PORN" I think.

If Obama wants to win the state, he can start there.

[thehod]

We Nevadans like our booze, our guns, and our sex industry. In fact, there's a store in Fernley actually called "BOOZE, GUNS, PORN" I think.

An address please?

[FalconX2000]

Actually he is very amusing, you just are not seeing the pathetic side of his insistence on using junior as a name. And make no mistake, it is pathetic. The man needs an ego boost and your helping him get it. Instead, just see the sadness and therefore the amusement you can get from his patheticness :D

It very rarely works that way for me. I like reason, and it takes something extra for me to find people like these fun to read. Pathetic(ness) just makes me sad that humanity can spawn such stupidity.



...And after reading Samuel's next post, it looks like after nearly 2 years of emptiness, my ignore list is gonna get its first member

And that's now, right?

I just read through about ten pages of thread where he completely managed to deflect from any discussion of the issues other than whether or not calling an adult "Junior" might be considered condescending. There's interesting stuff to be discussing instead.

The kid is just a troll.

Yeah, he's on. No more worries. It's not like he's a dangerous influence like the other Sam.





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26970577#26949597

Keith Olbermann had a great clip with Tina Fey and Sarah Palin side by side echoing each other line by line. That would have made my day if not for

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26970577#26950033

Rachel Maddow, who mockingly dismantled the Republican party's leadership and their reaction to the bailout.

[the4thpip]

In just one week, Obamas lead in the RCP "no toss up" projection went from 8 Electoral Votes to 158!

So... how did McCain's "I'll suspend my campaign" gamble pay off??

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In just one week, Obamas lead in the RCP "no toss up" projection went from 8 Electoral Votes to 158!

So... how did McCain's "I'll suspend my campaign" gamble pay off??

It died the moment the bailout did on Monday. Where a bitter , angry McCain lashed out at Obama for this. Then in the same sentence ...in bizzaro thinkin claimed the country shouldn't place blame . John Stewart : WTF ?

McCain could see his leadership qualities going out the door at that moment. Which I think really pissed him off. Had it passed... he could brag he did save the bailout and was a huge part. In fact his pals were on early that morning on TV Shows claiming how McCain was such a leader he made it happen. Then the vote.... and failure.

[Buzz Dixon]

I've said this before, but I think the deep south states are going to go for Obama. The polls only call registered voters who have voted in at least two previous elections. I would be stunned if this doesn't turn out to be the election with the largest ever number of African-American voters and at least 95% of them voting for Obama. I think McCain's base not only isn't energized, they are being steadily depressed with each passing day (Palin has apparently done enormous damage to McCain in both swing states and formerly solid GOP states).

[KevinTBrown]

The only way McCain can win this campaign is if one of three things happen:

1) He's given full credit, by Pubs AND Dems, for the passage of the "Bailout".
2) The remaining debates Biden and Obama fail miserably.
3) He completely denounces Bush.


NONE of which will happen.....

[Kid Kamikaze10]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26970577#26950033

Rachel Maddow, who mockingly dismantled the Republican party's leadership and their reaction to the bailout.

I think I like this Rachel Maddow lady...

She's got an awesomely sharp tongue.

[Briareos]

Hehehe great video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU-EpU13K_o

[Infra-Man]

Hehehe great video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU-EpU13K_o

Well, it's just as lame as that smug and facile "I'm voting Republican" video a few months ago.

[Briareos]

Who really caused the mortgage crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

[Stressfactor]

Who really caused the mortgage crisis?

Try fucking everybody from Repulican to Democrat to people like a friend of mine who let their broker talk them into an "Adjustible Rate Mortgate"..... "Suuuurrre, you're only in your mid-20's, you're starting out on your first job and you want to buy a starter home... What you need is an ARM loan because right now rates are RIDUCULOUSLY low. What's that you say? What will happen if the rates don't STAY low? Pshaw... Like THAT'S going to happen! Don't worry about it! If things get bad you can always TRY to refinance...."

Get off it Bri.

[the4thpip]

Senior moment or Bush moment?
U decide!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-lost-on-stage_n_130868.html

[TCJohnson]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/30/dnt.mccain.house.for.sale.ktvx

[the4thpip]

CNN looks at Russia from Alaska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgCS8OYqu2s

Something Sarah Palin has never done, by the way.

[the4thpip]

Very long, very revealing article about John McCain:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

[KevinTBrown]

Very long, very revealing article about John McCain:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Wow.

Just... wow.

[the4thpip]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/10/01/mccain_palin/index.html

McCain: I've gone to Palin for foreign policy advice

[I]s there an occasion where you could imagine turning to Gov. Palin for advice in a foreign policy crisis?

I've turned to her advice many times in the past. I can't imagine turning to Sen. Obama or Sen. Biden, because they've been wrong. They were wrong about Iraq, they were wrong about Russia. Sen. Biden wanted to divide Iraq into three different countries. He voted against the first Gulf War. Sen. Obama has no experience whatsoever and has been wrong in the issues that he's been involved in.

But would you turn to Gov. Palin?

I certainly wouldn't turn to them, and I already have turned to Gov. Palin, particularly on energy issues, and I've appreciated her background and knowledge on that and many other issues.

Does her energy qualification extend to the international energy market?

Of course, that's what it's all about. It extends to a broad variety of issues, from her worldview of the threats that we face of radical Islamic extremism, to specific areas of the world. I'm very proud of her, and proud of the knowledge and background that she has. She's also been a governor of a state, and she has been involved in running a bureaucracy, she has been in charge of running a state, and it's not an accident that she's the most popular governor in America. I remember, in all due respect, that some people, when Ronald Reagan came out of California, said he was totally unqualified. I remember an obscure governor of the state of Arkansas that people said he was totally unqualified. This kind of thing goes on, usually in Georgetown cocktail parties.

[Royal]

Who really caused the mortgage crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Sooo..your not going to point the finger at yourself.

ok.

[kingdom2000]

Try fucking everybody from Repulican to Democrat to people like a friend of mine who let their broker talk them into an "Adjustible Rate Mortgate"..... "Suuuurrre, you're only in your mid-20's, you're starting out on your first job and you want to buy a starter home... What you need is an ARM loan because right now rates are RIDUCULOUSLY low. What's that you say? What will happen if the rates don't STAY low? Pshaw... Like THAT'S going to happen! Don't worry about it! If things get bad you can always TRY to refinance...."

Get off it Bri.

Don't you know the Republican motto: "We are responsible for nothing and blame Democrats for everything!" Its their core belief of what "leadership" is.

[Michael P]

Very long, very revealing article about John McCain:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Ouch. Ain't none of that good.

[FalconX2000]

It died the moment the bailout did on Monday. Where a bitter , angry McCain lashed out at Obama for this. Then in the same sentence ...in bizzaro thinkin claimed the country shouldn't place blame . John Stewart : WTF ?

McCain could see his leadership qualities going out the door at that moment. Which I think really pissed him off. Had it passed... he could brag he did save the bailout and was a huge part. In fact his pals were on early that morning on TV Shows claiming how McCain was such a leader he made it happen. Then the vote.... and failure.

I personally found the idiotic part to be that he and all his aids were trying to claim all the 'glory' for crafting this bill as if John McCain had rescued the otherwise hapless Washington with his bold leadership and legendary deal making prowess and tried to act as if Obama had been frozen doing nothing...and then when the deal failed they tried to put all the blame on Obama.:rolleyes:

I wish Obama would use 'headless chicken' just once to describe McCain's response to the crisis during the Economic debate.

[the4thpip]

too bad she is not running for Vice Flutist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_130901.html

[Paul McEnery]

too bad she is not running for Vice Flutist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_130901.html

I don't know about you, but she can stay off my vice flute.

[Samuel Catalino]

Don't you know the Republican motto: "We are responsible for nothing and blame Democrats for everything!" Its their core belief of what "leadership" is.


The great thing about the above post is that you can interchange Republican with Democrat and it reminds me of a Pelosi speech on the floor.

[Samuel Catalino]

And that's now, right?

I just read through about ten pages of thread where he completely managed to deflect from any discussion of the issues other than whether or not calling an adult "Junior" might be considered condescending. There's interesting stuff to be discussing instead.

The kid is just a troll.

I wish I were a kid. As for a troll, I leave that description to others more worthy of that title.

It seems to bother a lot of people when the truth is told, isn't it?

[KevinTBrown]

I don't know about you, but she can stay off my vice flute.

Hmmm, now we know why McCain picked her..... She's good at playing the, um, flute. yeah, that's it.

[the4thpip]

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/MvO.GIF

10 point lead in the Daily Kos tracking poll now..

[the4thpip]

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/MvO.GIF

10 point lead in the Daily Kos tracking poll now..

And for some reason, they have that GWU poll wrong. Obama's had a 2 point lead in their "we only poll battleground states" poll for 2 days now:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/BG_100108_2-way-ballot-trender.pdf

[Corrina]

Polls mean nothing at this stage. It's still six weeks to the election.

Polls have been wrong so often that I don't put any faith in them and I honestly don't get why everyone is so interested.

[KevinTBrown]

Polls mean nothing at this stage. It's still six weeks to the election.

Polls have been wrong so often that I don't put any faith in them and I honestly don't get why everyone is so interested.

The same reason you root for that 1 run lead in the first inning. :wink: You're winning!





Even though there's a loooooooooooooooooong ways to go until the 9th inning......

[the4thpip]

Polls mean nothing at this stage. It's still six weeks to the election.

Polls have been wrong so often that I don't put any faith in them and I honestly don't get why everyone is so interested.

The correlations are interesting. The current McCain implosion that almost all the polls agree upon seems to be a clear result of McCain's brainfart to "put the campaign on hold" (which he did not really do) to fly to Washington to "help" (which he CLEARLY did not do).

Obama's lead in the Electoral College projection went from 8 to 158 in that one week!

[TCJohnson]

Polls mean nothing at this stage. It's still six weeks to the election.

Polls have been wrong so often that I don't put any faith in them and I honestly don't get why everyone is so interested.

Going along with Kevin said...I am terrified of the thought of President Palin. Having McCain as president would not be a good thing but having Palin one 72 year old heart beat from the Whitehouse would be a complete disaster.

The polls gives me some hope that things are going to be ok. Hope is a good thing.

[kingdom2000]

The great thing about the above post is that you can interchange Republican with Democrat and it reminds me of a Pelosi speech on the floor.

Ah the poor republican's feeling where hurt so they sucked their thumb and voted against the interests of the country. Do you need a tissue cause the mean old lady made comments that made you feel bad? Do you need a place to cry?

So if Pelosi is powerful enough to make grown men want to cry on camera and vote against America's best interests, how are we supposed to believe they are the best ones to take on terrorism? The poor babies and their hurt feelings. She is such a meanie!

Now if only they would take their toys and go home...

[kingdom2000]

Why Sarah Palin Is A Better Debater Than You Think (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/why-sarah-palin-is-a-bett_n_130742.html)

Wow, her answers are so vacant and lack any real depth or information which is perfect for winning a debate. I actually listen to what she says and what she says isn't much but most people don't do that. They will just nod their head and go "yeah! that sounds right" without going "and how is she thinking she is going to do that again?". Its a series of platitudes and common sense, no shit, statements that in reality add up to nothing but few people will analyze with any depth.

On the plus side (i hope), the 24 news cycle and blogosphere will do a better job of pointing out uselss and vacant answers where Alaskan reporters and the like probably never bothered to do.

[KevinTBrown]

Wow, her answers are so vacant and lack any real depth or information which is perfect for winning a debate. I actually listen to what she says and what she says isn't much but most people don't do that. They will just nod their head and go "yeah! that sounds right" without going "and how is she thinking she is going to do that again?". Its a series of platitudes and common sense, no shit, statements that in reality add up to nothing but few people will analyze with any depth.

On the plus side (i hope), the 24 news cycle and blogosphere will do a better job of pointing out uselss and vacant answers where Alaskan reporters and the like probably never bothered to do.

The thing is, people will want to hear SUBSTANCE from her this time. They've heard her "dance", so they're expecting it; and if people hear it again they'll say, "fuck it!"

She needs to give specifics in this debate. If she doesn't, she's toast. And I seriously doubt she's capable of giving any specifics.....

[Buzz Dixon]

Bill Hinds weighs in at CLEATS:
http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/cle/2008/cle080929.gif

[Buzz Dixon]

And since it's been more than 48 hours since we last heard from SINFEST...
http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-09-30.gif

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The great thing about the above post is that you can interchange Republican with Democrat and it reminds me of a Pelosi speech on the floor.

Is that the one where the one idiot Republican came out and claimed Pelosi hurt his party's feelings and thats why the bill died ? Because trust me ... the party made themselves look horrible to people ... making others react "What are they ... 5 ?"

If anything that pissed more off at McCain and the party. They became little spoiled children by that comment.

[Samuel Catalino]

Is that the one where the one idiot Republican came out and claimed Pelosi hurt his party's feelings and thats why the bill died ? Because trust me ... the party made themselves look horrible to people ... making others react "What are they ... 5 ?"

If anything that pissed more off at McCain and the party. They became little spoiled children by that comment.

No more than Pelosi was when she was on the floor and gave her speech and used the blame game against the Republicans when she was supposed to lead.
If she was so much against it, why did she even bother to bring it to the floor and vote for it.

The thing is more Democrats voted for the bailout than Republicans, which means that more Democrats wanted to use taxpayer money to bail out rich fat cats.

Members of Congress were listening to the overwhelming e-mails and phone calls from their constitutents who were against this bailout. They did what their constituents wanted. And this is not the first time Bush, Pelosi and Reid have felt the backlash of the citizens of the United States. The Three Stooges are not doing so well governing and legislating

[Charles RB]

And since it's been more than 48 hours since we last heard from SINFEST...
http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-09-30.gif

It's funny cos it's true.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

No more than Pelosi was when she was on the floor and gave her speech and used the blame game against the Republicans when she was supposed to lead.
If she was so much against it, why did she even bother to bring it to the floor and vote for it.

Lets see.... placing blame on the Adminstration for causing this mess and pretty much making this "Bailout" happen.... how wrong ! Cleary Pelosi did wrong by thinking these men and women were older than school children and would think "For our country !" instead of ...WAHHHH WAHHHHH....

The thing is more Democrats voted for the bailout than Republicans, which means that more Democrats wanted to use taxpayer money to bail out rich fat cats.

Of course the fact the bill was worked on by both sides...and something really no one really wanted at all...and its being forced or the market collapses and takes the world with it.... well ..you gotta join up and take one for the team.

Members of Congress were listening to the overwhelming e-mails and phone calls from their constitutents who were against this bailout. They did what their constituents wanted. And this is not the first time Bush, Pelosi and Reid have felt the backlash of the citizens of the United States. The Three Stooges are not doing so well governing and legislating

I think the big stooge has everyone scared basically. None of his big policies has ever worked and now this. Of course Pelosi and others are angry... the Adminstration inherited huge budget surplus in the trillions and just lost it all.

Its gonna take the next guy a lot of work in 4 years to fix things.

[AllisterH]

Pelosi should keep her mouth shut.

If she can't find 13 more democrats out of the 95 that voted against the bill, she has no ground to stand on to criticize Republicans...

I repeat again.

Democrats don't need the Republicans to pass a bill in the house. THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. Those in glass houses should not throw stones...

[KevinTBrown]

Here you go: Watch McCain's melt down in Des Moines. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/NEWS09/80930049)


Yeah. It's bad.... it's real bad.

[TomStillwell]

Very long, very revealing article about John McCain:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Damn. John McCain is the Rick Olney of Washington.

Whatever respect I had for the man just went out the window.

[kingdom2000]

No more than Pelosi was when she was on the floor and gave her speech and used the blame game against the Republicans when she was supposed to lead.
If she was so much against it, why did she even bother to bring it to the floor and vote for it.

The thing is more Democrats voted for the bailout than Republicans, which means that more Democrats wanted to use taxpayer money to bail out rich fat cats.

Members of Congress were listening to the overwhelming e-mails and phone calls from their constitutents who were against this bailout. They did what their constituents wanted. And this is not the first time Bush, Pelosi and Reid have felt the backlash of the citizens of the United States. The Three Stooges are not doing so well governing and legislating

Pelosi - will "whaa my hurt feelings" - weak argument for bad behavior.

Dem and Repub bailout rich fat cats - yes, but sadly needed
If the rich fat cats fail, then main street will quickly follow which means lots of people losing lots of jobs. It sucks much but it is needed, whether we like it or not. The rich will benefit but its also to prevent their house of cards from talking us with them if it collapses which is most assuredly will.

constiutents - well they don't understand the magnitude of the situation. Like you they just see it as rich helping the rich without any understanding of all the connections and the domino effect that is currently in play. Sometimes a leader (yeah repubs are no longer familiar with) has to do the right thing even if it may hurt them (and others) in the short term.

The Three Stooges - yeah thats actually a good name, can't really disagree with that.

[kingdom2000]

Pelosi should keep her mouth shut.

If she can't find 13 more democrats out of the 95 that voted against the bill, she has no ground to stand on to criticize Republicans...

I repeat again.

Democrats don't need the Republicans to pass a bill in the house. THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. Those in glass houses should not throw stones...

I can't really disagree with that. Pelosi f'ed up and only the stupidty of republicans doing the "hurt my feelings" dance is preventing the backlash from being bigger. I hope to god she is replaced as house speaker because she has been an epic and useless disaster.

[Black Atom]

It's funny cos it's true.

Totally. Here in CA, we recalled the governor because he passed a 200% increase in vehicle registrations cost to balance the budget deficit. I'd never seen such swift and vehement voter action.

The moral? You can fuck with education, healthcare and civil liberties--just don't fuck withe people's wallets.

[Infra-Man]

I hope to god she is replaced as house speaker because she has been an epic and useless disaster.

Both her and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid need to be replaced. Both of them are ineffective milquetoasts. Pelosi is plain clueless and Reid makes Woody Allen look rugged by comparison.

[Infra-Man]

Here you go: Watch McCain's melt down in Des Moines. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/NEWS09/80930049)


Yeah. It's bad.... it's real bad.

I've only seen up through the Palin experience question and the follow up, and damn, he needs to work on his body language. Swiveling in that chair and rocking back and forth doesn't come across well. He looked defensive and you could tell his frustration was mounting.

[KevinTBrown]

I've only seen up through the Palin experience question and the follow up, and damn, he needs to work on his body language. Swiveling in that chair and rocking back and forth doesn't come across well. He looked defensive and you could tell his frustration was mounting.

This is close to that blow up that people have been expecting....

[LtMarvel]

Exxon v. Baker, from June of this year:

The Supreme Court on Wednesday reduced what had once been a $5 billion punitive damages award against Exxon Mobil to about $500 million. The ruling essentially concluded a legal saga that started when the Exxon Valdez, a supertanker, struck a reef and spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska in 1989.

Sarah Palin on this case when announced: “I am extremely disappointed with today’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court,” Palin said. “While the decision brings some degree of closure to Alaskans suffering from 19 years of litigation and delay, the court gutted the jury’s decision on punitive damages.”

Palin added, “It is tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision. My heart goes out to those affected, especially the families of the thousands of Alaskans who passed away while waiting for justice.”

http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/10/01/forget-bush-v-gore-palin-forgot-about-exxon-v-baker/

[That JonoGuy]

Here you go: Watch McCain's melt down in Des Moines. (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/NEWS09/80930049)


Yeah. It's bad.... it's real bad.

Did I just hear McCain say he wants to be a dictator? I'd hate to have to deal with that one.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Exxon v. Baker, from June of this year:

The Supreme Court on Wednesday reduced what had once been a $5 billion punitive damages award against Exxon Mobil to about $500 million. The ruling essentially concluded a legal saga that started when the Exxon Valdez, a supertanker, struck a reef and spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska in 1989.

Sarah Palin on this case when announced: “I am extremely disappointed with today’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court,” Palin said. “While the decision brings some degree of closure to Alaskans suffering from 19 years of litigation and delay, the court gutted the jury’s decision on punitive damages.”

Palin added, “It is tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision. My heart goes out to those affected, especially the families of the thousands of Alaskans who passed away while waiting for justice.”

http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/10/01/forget-bush-v-gore-palin-forgot-about-exxon-v-baker/

Well thats pretty wild...Palin forgets something she did back in June. Wow....

[Major Comma]

Yeah ,because its not like Biden Forgot Roosevelt wasnt president in 1929
when he supposedly went on television before it was invented
to talk about the stock market crash.

[BnL]

Yeah ,because its not like Biden Forgot Roosevelt wasnt president in 1929
when he supposedly went on television before it was invented
to talk about the stock market crash.

Yeah, because that's totally comparable to a Governor not being able to remember an important development in an area that we've been told again and again is her signature issue, which happened only four months ago, in the very state she governs, which she actually released a statement about at the time.

[FalconX2000]

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=5930646&page=1


Thirty-two percent of registered voters say her selection makes them less likely to support John McCain for president, up from 19 percent last month.
___________________________

Just 35 percent say Palin has the experience it takes to serve effectively as president, down a dozen points since early September; 60 percent think not, up 15. And just 46 percent think Palin "understands complex issues," while 49 percent think she doesn't -- a poor assessment on this most basic qualification.

Biden's ratings starkly contrast Palin's: Seventy-five percent say he understands complex issues, 70 percent say he has suitable experience to take over as president if necessary and just 13 percent say his selection makes them less apt to support Barack Obama.

In the most fundamental measure of a public figure's popularity, 51 percent now express an overall favorable opinion of Palin, down from 58 percent Sept. 7, just after the GOP convention.

While she's lost 7 points on this score, Biden's moved the other way, gaining 6 points -- 57 percent see him favorably, up from 51 percent.
___________________________

White women by a 13-point margin initially said Palin's addition made them more likely rather than less likely to support the GOP ticket. That's subsided to a single point.

Among independents, Palin's presence on the ticket has gone from a 10-point net positive to an 11-point net negative.

And her reception has turned negative among another key swing group, white Catholics; they're now 19 points more apt to say Palin pushes them away from McCain than toward him.

Similarly, just 40 percent of white women now say Palin has the experience it takes to serve effectively as president, down 12 points; 56 percent think not. It's lower still among independents, 32 percent, down 17 points.

And among white Catholics the sense that Palin is qualified has plummeted from 54 percent early last month to 27 percent now. It's dropped nearly as far among non-evangelical white Protestants as well.


*Does a Happy Feet dance*

[DrewEdwards]

I love how selecting Palin has back fired big time. :)

[kingdom2000]

Well CBS aired the next in series of "how idiotic can Sarah Palin look" videos.

This time the "gotcha question" (per O'Reilly) that was asked to BOTH Biden and Palin was what they thought of Roe v Wade and what other supreme court decisions they disagreed with.

The answer was another fiasco for Palin.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/cablers_talk_couricpalin_96254.asp#more

At this point she has set the standards so low that she literally can't fail at the debates. Fox News will be all over how wonderful her pageant answer are and everyone else will be "well it wasn' as bad as the Couric interviews!"

At this point I am left either thinking she is really that vacant or the McCain campaign has her head so twisted around on platitudes and "proper" responses that she is over thinking every single thing.

[the4thpip]

Pelosi should keep her mouth shut.

If she can't find 13 more democrats out of the 95 that voted against the bill, she has no ground to stand on to criticize Republicans...

I repeat again.

Democrats don't need the Republicans to pass a bill in the house. THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. Those in glass houses should not throw stones...

Well, she would have the change the bill.. This is the compromise bill that both sides came up with thinking they could get a majority. Salon.com looked into getting a bill passed by just the Democrats a few days ago:

Time for a party-line vote?

After the bailout bill tanked Monday, some commentators, including several on the right, wondered if the Democrats shouldn't abandon the attempt to cobble together a rickety centrist compromise, and simply use their majority power to ram through a more progressive bill. On the right, the Corner's Jim Manzi wrote, "If I were a senior Democrat right now, I'd introduce a Democratic alternative tomorrow and pass it on a party line vote." Conservative blogger Noah Millman echoed him: "Tomorrow, the Democrats [ought to] introduce their own bill, pass it on a party-line vote, and dare the Administration to veto." (For a liberal making the same suggestion, see Matthew Yglesias here.)

But, as always, the blogosphere contains voices of doubt as well. Ezra Klein writes,

The defecting Democrats look to be Blue Dogs -- which is to say, somewhat conservative, generally vulnerable, Democrats -- and members of the Black and Hispanic caucuses. A more liberal bill might get the latter two. It will lose 90 Republican votes. It won't get the Blue Dogs. And you'll lose a few dozen more Democrats who needed the bipartisan cover.

But even if such a bill could pass, it's important to remember that those voices on the right urging the Democrats forward are focused on the potential political reward, not the risk. Populist anger from both right and left seems to be running rampant against the bailout, meaning that the foot-dragging Democrats in Congress are more in tune than the party leadership with popular opinion. In the much-quoted USA Today/Gallup poll that pegged support for the bailout at only 22 percent, 81 and 80 percent called caps on CEO pay and support for homeowners "very" or "somewhat" important. That's why a moderate freshman Democrat from a red-tinted district like Kirsten Gillibrand can vote no, arguing against the bailout from the left. The issue for recalictrant Dems may not be not whether any bailout bill passes on a party-line vote or with broad support from both parties. The Blue Dogs aren't looking for bipartisan cover -- they're looking for populist cover. They want to be able to go home and say, "I voted to bail out Main Street, not Wall Street." It's perverse, but the Blue Dogs and the progressive and minority Democrats -- the right and left ends of the party -- seem to have opposed the bill on essentially the same grounds.
― Gabriel Winant

[the4thpip]

Great map, and I hope it does work out that way, but I don't see Obama taking Nevada and Missouri, regardless of current trends.




And just hours after I created the map, Nevada swung towards Obama at RCP based on him getting +4 at CNN and +1 at InAdv.

As for the Virginia Slim chance: CNN is giving Obama +9, InAdv +6.

So I spoke early when I said his RCP lead grew from 8 electoral votes to 158 in a week: It was 168 before the day was over.

[BnL]

Well, she would have the change the bill.. This is the compromise bill that both sides came up with thinking they could get a majority. Salon.com looked into getting a bill passed by just the Democrats a few days ago:

Yeah, a strictly partisan bill would pass the House, but not the Senate, where they would need 60 votes to pass.

[KevinTBrown]

Last night on Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman of the NY Times commented that the next President could (and I'm paraphrasing here) "fine tune" it and make it a lot better in February.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#26982314

[Infra-Man]

Five weeks ago: "Ooh, shiny new toy! Me like, me want!"
Today: "This toy kinda sucks."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26984684/

Skepticism of Palin growing, poll finds
Fewer than half of voters think she understands 'complex issues'
By Jon Cohen and Jennifer Agiesta (Washington Post)

With the vice presidential candidates set to square off today in their only scheduled debate, public assessments of Sarah Palin's readiness have plummeted, and she may now be a drag on the Republican ticket among key voter groups, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Tonight's heavily anticipated debate comes just five weeks after the popular Alaska governor entered the national spotlight as Sen. John McCain's surprise pick to be his running mate. Though she initially transformed the race with her energizing presence and a fiery convention speech, Palin is now a much less positive force: Six in 10 voters see her as lacking the experience to be an effective president, and a third are now less likely to vote for McCain because of her.

A month ago, voters rated Palin as highly as they did McCain or his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, but after weeks of intensive coverage and several perceived missteps, the shine has diminished.

Nearly a third of adults in a new poll from the Pew Research Center said they paid a lot of attention to Palin's interviews with CBS News's Katie Couric, a series that prompted grumbling among some conservative commentators about Palin's competency to be the GOP's vice presidential standard-bearer. The Pew poll showed views of Palin slipping over the past few days alone.

In the new Post-ABC poll, Palin matches the Democratic vice presidential candidate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., on empathy, one of McCain's clear deficits against Obama, while fewer than half of voters think she understands "complex issues."

But it is the experience question that may prove her highest hurdle, particularly when paired with widespread public concern about McCain's age. About half of all voters said they were uncomfortable with the idea of McCain taking office at age 72, and 85 percent of those voters said Palin does not have the requisite experience to be president.

The 60 percent who now see Palin as insufficiently experienced to step into the presidency is steeply higher than in a Post-ABC poll after her nomination early last month. Democrats and Republicans alike are now more apt to doubt her qualifications, but the biggest shift has come among independents.

In early September, independents offered a divided verdict on Palin's experience; now they take the negative view by about 2 to 1. Nearly two-thirds of both independent men and women in the new poll said Palin has insufficient experience to run the White House.

Obama was able for the first time to crack the 50 percent mark, albeit barely, on whether he has the experience to be president following Friday's presidential debate, and the question is one of Palin's central challenges as she prepares to face Biden in prime time before a national television audience.

More than two-thirds of voters in the Pew poll said they plan to watch the debate, far more than said they were going to turn on the vice presidential debate four years ago. The expectations are that Biden, a six-term senator, will win: Voters by a 19-point margin think he will prove to be the better debater.

In the new Post-ABC poll, majorities of conservatives and Republicans maintain that Palin has the necessary experience to step in as president, though those numbers are also down somewhat from early last month.

But a third of independent voters now indicate they are less likely to support McCain because of Palin, compared with 20 percent who said so in an ABC poll a month ago. Palin now repels more independents than she attracts to McCain. The share of independent women less apt to support McCain because of the Palin pick has more than doubled to 34 percent, while the percentage more inclined to support him is down eight points.

White Catholics, another important group of swing voters, also are now more likely to say that Palin dampens their support for McCain.

Still, nearly half of both white Catholics and independents said she does not affect their votes. Even more, about six in 10, said Obama's pick of Biden did not change their chances of voting Democratic.

The history of vice presidential picks suggests they are rarely consequential, and in a July Post-ABC poll, the nominees' choice for No. 2 was last on a list of 17 items voters said might sway their decisions.

The reaction to Palin, however, has been uncharacteristically strong.

Nearly three in 10 independent women have intensely unfavorable opinions of her, more than twice the proportion holding such views of Biden. And a majority of Democratic women now have "strongly unfavorable" views of Palin, up sharply from just after she accepted the nomination.

Among all voters, 29 percent have "strongly favorable" views, and an exactly offsetting number hold intensely negative ones. Attitudes toward Biden are more subdued.

Overall, 51 percent of voters view Palin favorably; for Biden, that number is a bit higher at 57 percent.

The vice presidential hopefuls run about evenly among all voters and among independents on the question of whether they "understand the problems of people like you." That is an important factor for the GOP ticket, as McCain continues to trail Obama as the candidate more in tune with the financial problems Americans face.

White married women are particularly likely to see Palin as in touch, as three-quarters said she understands their concerns. At the same time, a majority of such women do not think Palin has enough experience to be a good president. (White married women support the GOP ticket by a 20-point margin.)

Palin runs far behind Biden on another important attribute: About three-quarters of those surveyed said he understands complex issues, compared with 46 percent who said so of her.

On the eve of the presidential election in 2000, 76 percent said Al Gore had a solid grasp of hard issues; 60 percent said so of George W. Bush.

Despite Palin's slip in public assessments, the boost she has provided among some core segments of the GOP base has not faded. Enthusiasm for McCain's candidacy among Republicans, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants climbed sharply after the party's convention in St. Paul, Minn., where Palin made her debut, and it has held relatively steady since.

But even within these Republican strongholds, questions about Palin's experience are fairly common. About four in 10 conservatives and white evangelical Protestants, three in 10 Republicans and a quarter of GOP women said she does not have the necessary experience.

The Post-ABC poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 27 to 29 among a random sample of adults nationally, including interviews with 1,070 registered voters. The results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Error margins for subgroups are higher.

[KevinTBrown]

Real Clear Politics' current electoral map: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 259
McCain/Palin 163
Toss Up 116

[Infra-Man]

Want to play Vice Presidential Debate Bingo tonight but don't have a board?

Thanks, Newsweek.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160773

Examples:
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/palinbingo.jpg
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/bidenbingo.jpg

[C-Cool]

October Surprise... October Surprise... October Surprise...

Where the F**k is that dang surprise... I know it's coming... It's all to convenient...

Repubs... I'm waiting...

[KevinTBrown]

October Surprise... October Surprise... October Surprise...

Where the F**k is that dang surprise... I know it's coming... It's all to convenient...

Repubs... I'm waiting...

Because it's being reported more and more this year, don't expect it. And even if something odd pops up, people will just roll their eyes at it.

[LtMarvel]

www.electoral-vote.com 's latest map: Obama 338, McCain 185 (NC tied-15).

Without the statistical ties: Obama 260, McCain 163 (270 needed to win)
The toss-up states: FL, OH, NC, VA, MO, IN, CO NV, NH
Of these 9 states, McCain would have to win all of the first 6 listed + either 2 of the last 3 or just CO

I should note that several states used to be rated Strong GOP (double digit McCain leads) are no longer such. TX, NC, GA, MS, and WV are down to single digit or (in NC's case) tied.

[Buzz Dixon]

October Surprise... October Surprise... October Surprise...

Where the F**k is that dang surprise... I know it's coming... It's all to convenient...

Repubs... I'm waiting...Any terrorist action will just be turned against the GOP: "What, after seven years you guys couldn't stop this?"

We've already had the beginning of the financial meltdown and the GOP squandered any chance to look decisive.

What else is there?

[Infra-Man]

www.electoral-vote.com 's latest map: Obama 338, McCain 185 (NC tied-15).

Without the statistical ties: Obama 260, McCain 163 (270 needed to win)
The toss-up states: FL, OH, NC, VA, MO, IN, CO NV, NH
Of these 9 states, McCain would have to win all of the first 6 listed + either 2 of the last 3 or just CO

I should note that several states used to be rated Strong GOP (double digit McCain leads) are no longer such. TX, NC, GA, MS, and WV are down to single digit or (in NC's case) tied.

Their current EC graph is pretty nuts:
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/ec_graph-2008-all.png

[Infra-Man]

Any terrorist action will just be turned against the GOP: "What, after seven years you guys couldn't stop this?"

We've already had the beginning of the financial meltdown and the GOP squandered any chance to look decisive.

What else is there?

The Spanish Inquisition.

[Kevinroc]

The Spanish Inquisition.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[Kevinroc]

John McCain... Jeez, how do you even rationalize this one?


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/mccain-says-obama-lead-growing-because-life-isnt-fair/


McCain says Obama lead growing because ‘life isn’t fair’
Posted: 01:02 PM ET

(CNN) — Sen. John McCain said Thursday that Sen. Barack Obama’s poll numbers are rising as the economy seems to sink “because life isn’t fair.”

“He certainly did nothing for the first few days,” McCain said Thursday on Fox News. “I suspended my campaign, took our ads down, came back to Washington, met with the House folks and got on the phone, and also had face-to-face meetings.”

New CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corp. polls of several key battleground states, released Wednesday, found Obama has made gains across the board — either taking statistically significant leads or erasing McCain advantages — over the past few weeks. And since the financial crisis began in mid-September, Obama has taken and held a lead over McCain in the national CNN poll of polls.

Obama joined McCain in Washington for a meeting with congressional leaders convened by the president. He said afterward was concerned “that when you start interjecting presidential politics into delicate negotiations, you could actually create more problems than less.”

[KevinTBrown]

And I think McCain is giving up. He pulls out of Michigan. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895)

[Infra-Man]

And I think McCain is giving up. He pulls out of Michigan. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895)

Get your Levi jokes ready

[kingdom2000]

And I think McCain is giving up. He pulls out of Michigan. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895)

Naw that is not a sign of giving up. Its a sign of consolidating resources. Its crunch time so now the goal is to hit those thats that are marginial in either direction and could help swing the election. Freeing up resources at one place provides more money needed elsewhere. What you want is for McCain to NOT do that. More he is stretched the better for Obama.

[the4thpip]

And I think McCain is giving up. He pulls out of Michigan. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895)

But the PUMAs were gonna hand Michigan to him! Havok Novaya said so! :tongue:

[Charles RB]

I forgot he'd said that.

Oh dear! Looks like he was wrong. SHOCK.

PS "Pulls out of Michigan" gives me mental images of hordes of Republicans having a military evacuation while being air-raided, with McCain yelling "MOVE MOVE MOVE!".

[king mob]

I hope this debate is going to be as worthwhile as it's built up to be, I'm trying to cope with the sheer tedium of the build up & failing badly.

[4thHorseman]

And so it begins....

and yes, she may call him Joe

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ohhh Biden hits 1st blood. That the economic policies led to this....

And Sarah Palin sticks to the standerd line...no moving away .

Biden is killing McCain by tying him into Bush....wow. Biden you crafty old fucker....

[king mob]

Jesus fucking Christ. Biden is dreary but Palin is just moronic & shite. She's said 'mavericks'. Fucks sake.