Final Crisis Preview

[4thHorseman]

Over at Newsarama, they have the link to see some sketches of Darkseid for Final Crisis, and also to see 5 pages of Final Crisis.

Clicky Here (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156159)

Wow....Jones left me speechless with the art. Simply amazing.

[Captain Yesterday]

That was great, fascinating to see the way J.G. Jones interpreted the script; and beautifully.

[Sean Walsh]

Well, guess we know where Orion shuffled off to after COUNTDOWN #2.

And are those.........................skis? :biggrin:

Seriously, though, that art is BEAUTIFUL.

I almost hope the book ships late if he's pumping out artwork like this. (ALMOST)

[Usernamessd]

Well, guess we know where Orion shuffled off to after COUNTDOWN #2.

And are those.........................skis? :biggrin:

Seriously, though, that art is BEAUTIFUL.

I almost hope the book ships late if he's pumping out artwork like this. (ALMOST)

They're skipping a month instead (August)

[Sean Walsh]

They're skipping a month instead (August)

That's what I figured the skip month was really for - to give him more time - but even after that........if the art looks like this all the way through I don't think I'd mind at least 1 missed solicit.

[Jack Zodiac]

I would've read this bi-monthly for art that gorgeous and forty-eight pages of Morrison. It looks awesome, and it sounds awesome, and now I can't wait to read the first issue.

And in light of his earlier comments, now I can't wait to watch Turpin slowly crack under the weight of supermen. I like that bit of foreshadowing done here.

[Froggy]

damn....black racer, orion

orion is the first death scene i guess?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Looks fantastic. Looks like this will not only follow up on DotNG, SSoV and Morrison's run on JLA but parts of 52 as well. I'm very excited.

[Will.S]

Awesome, can't wait to read it.

[Magneto Rocks]

God this looks amazing in every concievable way. I have exactly two criticisms, both of which are vastly outweighed by the general art, writing, feel, everything:

First, while staggering, the art does lack a sense of epicness at parts in my view- you didn't get the same sense of chaos from the art as the script suggested.

Secondly, NOT a fan of the thing over Darkseid's mouth, which just looks stupid- but love the Omega symbol and the Apokoliptian symbol. Also adore those Morrison touches like having no shadow and everything he touches rotting away.

[MWGallaher]

That was great, fascinating to see the way J.G. Jones interpreted the script; and beautifully.

Seeing the script, I find some places where Jones, in my opinion, failed to transmit what Morrison intended. What was supposed to be a suddenly raging storm causing explosions and ripping off roof-tops is instead a severe but still common thunderstorm (which just happens to be in red). The Question is specifically described as being in her mask, but she's not, leading me to wonder why the heck Turpin brought up the subject of The Question in the first place.
Morrison's script has some problems, too, at least if these pages are published in consecutive order. There's an inadequate transition between Turpin's discovery of Orion to his conversation with Montoya; until I read the script, I didn't realize both scenes featured the same character. And what the heck is up with inserting a wordless shot of Manhattan (altered by the specific inclusion of non-existant architecture) and then immediately shifting to an establishing shot of a scene in Detroit? If you recognize the architecture enough to identify both cities, you're left confused; if you don't recognize it, you assume that the whole page happens in the same city. And it wouldn't seem to matter a whit if everything on the page did happen in the same city. I suppose this might make sense in context, though: perhaps there are similar scenes of Manhattan throughout the issue, building to some climax, and perhaps the locations are identified earlier in the issue so that the reader knows? We'll see.

[andy khouri]

EVIL WINS: EW.com Posts Five "Final Crisis" Pages

EW.com has published a first look at five pages of art and script from "Final Crisis" #1 by Grant Morrison and JG Jones, three weeks before it goes on sale May 28. The site has also posted Darkseid images from "Final Crisis Sketchbook."

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16319

[mosdef]

Not much of a DC guy, but I think I may give this a try, the DC Universe #0 got me interested. And now more so with those preview pages. Do y'all think this will live up to the hype or will be a letdown like a lot of people thought Countdown was?

[berk]

That was great, fascinating to see the way J.G. Jones interpreted the script; and beautifully.At a glance, my first impression is that it would have worked better if Jones had followed Morrison's directions a little more closely.

[crimson red]

uh I can't seem to find the Black racer anywhere??? where is he? am i missing something? DOH!:frown:

[Emperor Time]

So Orion dies a week after coming back to life? :confused:

[Usernamessd]

So Orion dies a week after coming back to life? :confused:

He didn't come back to life DOTNG #8 takes place before Countdown #2 he also wasn't dead.

[David O Burcham]

No doubt about it, the art is gorgeous.

However, this preview was intended to whet the whistles of anticipation. It didn't do anything to add to mine. Granted, I'm already jazzed about Final Crisis, but if the purpose was to make me more excited about the series, it failed.

I am glad the preview shows that Morrison IS using events from Countdown and it's tie-ins and that he WAS just being cheeky with that "I'm ignoring Countdown" rib that too many people took seriously.

[TotalWorldDomination]

No doubt about it, the art is gorgeous.

However, this preview was intended to whet the whistles of anticipation. It didn't do anything to add to mine. Granted, I'm already jazzed about Final Crisis, but if the purpose was to make me more excited about the series, it failed.

I am glad the preview shows that Morrison IS using events from Countdown and it's tie-ins and that he WAS just being cheeky with that "I'm ignoring Countdown" rib that too many people took seriously.
Actualy, nothing in this shows him using countdown. It shows him using DotNG, a plot that crossed over with countdown at the very end (for some reason they decided the final fight between Darksied and Orion would work better in Countdown. Fools.)

[berk]

Crimson Red: The Black Racer is in hovering in the sky inthe background....
I am glad the preview shows that Morrison IS using events from Countdown and it's tie-ins and that he WAS just being cheeky with that "I'm ignoring Countdown" rib that too many people took seriously.I think it'd be better if he did ignore Countdown, since if it's taken as a lead -in to FN, that seriously undermines FN's credibility right there. But I'd take Morrison's idea to be that readers don't have to have followed Countdown to appreciate FN, and people like me who don't think much of Countdown and DotNG are free to ignore those projects and try to enjoy FN on its own terms.

[Magneto Rocks]

Actualy, nothing in this shows him using countdown. It shows him using DotNG, a plot that crossed over with countdown at the very end (for some reason they decided the final fight between Darksied and Orion would work better in Countdown. Fools.)

Sure it does. Orion wandered away to die at the end of Countdown, thius picks up DIRECTLY from the events there, not in DotNG.

Morrison has, rather admirably, managed to make this something where readers of Countdown will say "Ah, I get that because..." etc, but someone who didn't read it can follow just as easily.

Mainly, I suspect, because he wrote this opening and THEN DC changed the ending of Countdown to fit it. But it 100% supports my theory that Orion was FULLY brought back, body and soul, to deal with Darkseid. :D

[Jack Zodiac]

I think what everyone's happy/relieved about is that none of the ridiculous, unnecessary, stupid bull!@#$ from Countdown is going to matter for Final Crisis. You know, like the six stories about the six sets of characters that carried that wretched piece of crap for a year. No Holly and Harley, no Challengers of the Whogivesa!@#$, no Piped and Trickster, no Karate Kid and Una, no Super-Jimmy, nothing at all except for the most basic, elemental devices, like the Monitors and the New Gods.

[botch]

nice art. but yeah Jones didn't interpret it as good as Morrison wrote it, especially the page where it was supposed to be epic eruptions with new the black racer. instead it's just a frame of orion on the ground then red skies the next frame.

JH Williams III should have done this.

[Kevinroc]

I think what everyone's happy/relieved about is that none of the ridiculous, unnecessary, stupid bull!@#$ from Countdown is going to matter for Final Crisis. You know, like the six stories about the six sets of characters that carried that wretched piece of crap for a year. No Holly and Harley, no Challengers of the Whogivesa!@#$, no Piped and Trickster, no Karate Kid and Una, no Super-Jimmy, nothing at all except for the most basic, elemental devices, like the Monitors and the New Gods.

Once again proving how worthless Countdown was. Now give me back Bart Allen and I might actually give a crap about this.

[Usernamessd]

Once again proving how worthless Countdown was. Now give me back Bart Allen and I might actually give a crap about this.

Do you do anything besides troll the dc boards and promote Marvel?
No.

[Kevinroc]

Do you do anything besides troll the dc boards and promote Marvel?
No.

I love Bart Allen and his death was truly terrible and one of the dumbest things DC has done in the last several years. But I do love the DCU. I don't need to explain myself to you.

Where in that post that you quoted did I even mention Marvel?

[Magneto Rocks]

Do you do anything besides troll the dc boards and promote Marvel?
No.

I may not actually agree with Kevinroc on, y'know, anything, but I assure you, he didn't get 6144 posts by insulting DC all the time. He doesn't even post at the DC boards nearly as frequently, and he has as much a right to have an opinion on the preview as you do.

nice art. but yeah Jones didn't interpret it as good as Morrison wrote it, especially the page where it was supposed to be epic eruptions with new the black racer. instead it's just a frame of orion on the ground then red skies the next frame.

Right, definitely. I suppose there's not much you can do in terms of creating unease on a dock, but even some boxes falling and the skies darkening or something would have been good. Just as in the next frame there were supposed to be "the roofs being ripped off buildings" etc and instead we get... lightning.

[Kevinroc]

I may not actually agree with Kevinroc on, y'know, anything, but I assure you, he didn't get 6144 posts by insulting DC all the time. He doesn't even post at the DC boards nearly as frequently, and he has as much a right to have an opinion on the preview as you do.


Wow, Magneto Rocks defended me. :)

I look at this in pretty simple terms. I know Morrison is incredibly talented. Jones can draw pretty pictures.

DC's editorial decisions leading into Final Crisis were terrible. Countdown was a horrible series and one of my favorite DC characters (Bart) was killed in order for a major Countdown story to happen.

Yes, I am well aware that it looks like Bart is coming back. Doesn't change the fact that they should never have killed him in the first place and that DC editorial has lost a lot of my faith by their massive bumbling with Countdown. And these people are Morrison's bosses...

(That said, the preview looks okay... I guess... Although I still ain't wild about the original Question being killed off. DC has gone to that well of killing off their characters WAY too damn frequently over the last few years for my tastes.)

[Choppa]

I think what everyone's happy/relieved about is that none of the ridiculous, unnecessary, stupid bull!@#$ from Countdown is going to matter for Final Crisis. You know, like the six stories about the six sets of characters that carried that wretched piece of crap for a year. No Holly and Harley, no Challengers of the Whogivesa!@#$, no Piped and Trickster, no Karate Kid and Una, no Super-Jimmy, nothing at all except for the most basic, elemental devices, like the Monitors and the New Gods.

Were people expecting that? Morrison said that FC is a stand alone and CD won't have that much of an influence.

[CBikle]

Were people expecting that? Morrison said that FC is a stand alone and CD won't have that much of an influence.

Well, considering that Countdown was supposed to lead into Final Crisis, that's a little odd.

Not that I blame Morrisson and Johns wanting to distance themselves from that piece of carp...

[Captain Jim]

nice art. but yeah Jones didn't interpret it as good as Morrison wrote it, especially the page where it was supposed to be epic eruptions with new the black racer.

Oh, that's supposed to be a new Black Racer? I was wondering abut that (could have sworn I remembered him dying in DOTNG).

[botch]

Oh, that's supposed to be a new Black Racer? I was wondering abut that (could have sworn I remembered him dying in DOTNG).

yah. his armor's different instead of campy(which i loved) but time to make it cinematic and intimidating.

[David O Burcham]

Actualy, nothing in this shows him using countdown. It shows him using DotNG, a plot that crossed over with countdown at the very end

The New Gods started dying in Countdown months before Death of the the New Gods hit the stands.

Also, according to Morrison interviews, Kamandi and Dark Mary Marvel will have important roles in Final Crisis.

[Magneto Rocks]

People seem unable to distinguish between "You do not NEED to read Countdown to read Final Crisis" and "Countdown is not remotely related to Final Crisis".

[TotalWorldDomination]

People seem unable to distinguish between "You do not NEED to read Countdown to read Final Crisis" and "Countdown is not remotely related to Final Crisis".
Not confused MR, Just hopeful :wink:

[Choppa]

Well, considering that Countdown was supposed to lead into Final Crisis, that's a little odd.

Not that I blame Morrisson and Johns wanting to distance themselves from that piece of carp...

Yeah it was, but that's why DCU #0 was written. Believe it or not, that was supposed to be the culmination of CD, despite the fact that it had nothing to do with the events of CD.

[Magneto Rocks]

Not confused MR, Just hopeful :wink:

Actually, I'm the opposite. I'm clinging to some desperate, bizarre hope that Final Crisis will be COMPLETELY dependant on something in Countdown. Partially because only Morrison could actually do this and have it not suck, and partially out of a pathetic desire to have the £100+ I spent on Countdown validated even a little.

[Kevinroc]

Actually, I'm the opposite. I'm clinging to some desperate, bizarre hope that Final Crisis will be COMPLETELY dependant on something in Countdown. Partially because only Morrison could actually do this and have it not suck, and partially out of a pathetic desire to have the £100+ I spent on Countdown validated even a little.

But even with Morrison, if a Countdown plot point leads to something in FC that sucks, would you still have wanted it?