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Roquefort Raider

05-03-2008, 05:58 AM

InfoBroker

05-03-2008, 06:26 AM

I love your description of all the chaotic problems with the printing of your "worst" comical book RR, it makes me wish I had one just to see the mangling.

I guess it just goes to prove "one man's feces is another's sweet smelling compost"

My feces example isn't that they are a bad set of comical books. The problem is that they are but a segment of comics I ordered off ebay from a seller in Rogers City,Michigan who advertised them as "warehouse copies, unread." Nice label that I pre-knew meant the comics could be in almost any condition. But that wasn't the problem. Oh no, this ebay seller was a crook who only delivered a partial order and pocketed 3 times the amount of money that he was entitled to. The comics remain a reminder of his foul feces business practices and thus remain in the pathetic shipping box he used.

-jb the "yes I'll gladly provide his name and address to any who ask" ib -

Red Oak Kid

05-03-2008, 07:42 AM

1- Edge of chaos #3 is not embarrassing to me, because with art by Gray Morrow it should have been great, but it must have been a great embarrassment to the publisher (Pacific comics).

Somehow the company decided to try a new and more expensive printing process which I suppose was expected to deliver better colors. But the result was simply awful!!! Maybe it's only my copy (and I sincerely hope so), but it looks like it was printed on a cheap inkjet printer with a skewed printing head and with two of the color ink cartridges inverted. With water in the yellow ink. Oh, and printed during an earthquake. And color-separated by a blind person. In a word, it was a mess.

I think you got a bad copy. Mine looks fine. Some of the colors are pale, but I think that's the way the colorist wanted them to look.

Otherwise the colors are good and everything is in register on my copy.

You may have gotten a "Variant".

In my collection I have some New Universe comics and some She Hulks by Byrne. I've also got some Vertigo titles that are bad, but I can't recall the titles.

DDM

05-03-2008, 09:08 AM

Youngblood #1 by Rob Liefeld. I have the book somewhere along with all the other Image books of Wildcats, Spawn, & Dawkhawk...

mrc1214

05-03-2008, 09:21 AM

Great Topic

I actually went through my collection and theres a ton of new issues that i need to get rid of Justice League, Wonder Woman before Gail Simone got on.

As far as older stuff for some odd reason I thought id be a good idea buying some NEw Universe titles Psi Forse etc and some bad 90s books Darkhawk, NEw Warriors.

I also have some bad runs of some popular titles which I need to narrow down and keep the stuff i know ill read

Siddon

05-03-2008, 09:33 AM

I have a full run of Cable and X-man

dan bailey

05-03-2008, 09:34 AM

Sir Tim Drake

05-03-2008, 10:00 AM

The worst comic in my collection is:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/12210/200/12210_2_003.jpg

I've actually got two issues of this miniseries, which was so bad that Rob Liefeld even admitted it was below his desired level of quality. I bought both of these issues when I was just getting started with comics and had no ability to judge quality.

Other really bad comics I own include:

* Spectacular Spider-Man #226 (in which Peter is revealed to be the clone).
* The issue after that, which is not much better.
* Nightwatch #1, which was a horrible short-lived Marvel comic from the early 90s.
* Much of Devin Grayson's Titans.
* A complete run of X-Men 2099. I started reading this and then, because of inertia or something, I never bothered to stop.
* A mostly complete run of Guardians of the Galaxy #31-62, for the same reason as above.
* Tales of the Witchblade #1/2, which came free with my subscription to Wizard (yes, I had a subscription to Wizard once)

I also have a number of bad comics that are still worth owning for the sake of completism, including:

* Captain America #407, in which Cap becomes a werewolf
* Legion of Super-Heroes vol. 4 #112, which I consider the worst Legion story of all time, and I know at least one person who shares that opinion

I also have a stack of bad comics that I received for free, as gifts or whatever, and never had the patience to read. I don't consider those comics to be part of my collection.

Sir Tim Drake

05-03-2008, 10:02 AM

As far as older stuff for some odd reason I thought id be a good idea buying some NEw Universe titles Psi Forse etc and some bad 90s books Darkhawk, NEw Warriors.

I am actually not ashamed of having a nearly complete run of New Warriors #1-52. Sure, it was kind of heavy-handed and a pale imitation of the Wolfman/Perez Titans, but even then it was one of the better Marvel comics of the early '90s.

InfoBroker

05-03-2008, 10:42 AM

I am actually not ashamed of having a nearly complete run of New Warriors #1-52. Sure, it was kind of heavy-handed and a pale imitation of the Wolfman/Perez Titans, but even then it was one of the better Marvel comics of the early '90s.

*with tongue in cheek* So you're telling us this is one of the bowel movements floating above the sinkers?

And since I'm being such a smartie pants here, I suppose I should confess to having those Rob rendered (well actually he had assistants), Captain Americas that he was relieved of duty on. They came as a set on eBay with the very wonderful Mark Waid set. Seems a shame that I have them in the same box.

I also have a stack of unopened Malibu comical books, part of their Ultraverse or whatever it was they called their super-hero line in the early 90s. About 30 or so that were a mere buck buy on eBay, that turned into a $10 purchase due to some liberal postage charges. Not sure how I want to rate those yet. But after four years, they are still in a giant plastic bag or two somewhere in the chaos I call a comic book room.

What else is lurking in the corners that should be a part of this confessional?

There's this funky Captain Marvel comic from 1966 that I hang onto for pure nostalgia reasons.

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1834/400/1834_4_5.jpg

It's been featured in Scott Shaw!'s Oddball column, and I'm pretty sure kimosabe had it as "Classic Comical Book" at one point. Its one of those "its so bad its good" kinda things.

I also remember taking a Marvel Team-up that I had just purchased in 1975, and after reading it, ripping it to shreds, placing said shreds in an envelope and mailing it to Marvel along with a letter telling them they should do something to protect their Spider-man copyright, because some fly-by-night comic shop was violating all the core-concepts of what constitutes a good Spider-man tale.

Guess that would be an example of sending the foul excrement back to the owner that left it on my lawn.

-jb the "we need to turn on a fan" ib -

JKCarrier

05-03-2008, 11:19 AM

I have one of those "Captain Marvel" books too:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1781/200/1781_2_3.jpg

And a few of those "Mighty Comics" that Archie published in the '60s, with Jerry Siegel doing the worst Stan Lee impression ever:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1737/200/1737_2_49.jpg

mrjayberry

05-03-2008, 01:54 PM

As I noted in my original "feces of your collection" post, various early Image issues fill the bill. How in the name of god did this stuff ever sell, much less by the boatload, much less to the extent that I gather it helped turned the industry topsy-turvy? Just how hideously taste-challenged were fans 15 or so years ago? In retrospect, I have to conclude that none of them(/us ... I wasn't there, so I can't really even speculate about whether I would've been taken in by these largely untalented flimflam artists, too) have any right to look down our noses at the sheep who have helped make sure that the Britney Spearses & Tom Greens & reality-show stars of the world have more money than they know what to do with ..
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Just remember, thank God so many of us were suckered because Image puts out some of the best comics today.

I think one of the appeals was it was new, when I picked up The Savage Dragon on issue one of the regular series it just looked cool to a jr. high kid. When I picked up Storm Watch it was a team that didn't have a long history. Its the same reason I fell so hard for Marvel 2099.

And is Cyberforce any worse than the X-Men that was being relased at the same time. Most marvel comics at the time. Maximum Carnage and Executioners Song spring to mind. In fact Maximum Carnage is definatly in the running for worst comic I own, except I think I got rid of it already.

Sadly if new universes was what I was looking for, and I think it was, I missed out on Milestone. The few things I've read from them have been intresting at worst and awesome at best.

Aaron King

05-03-2008, 02:25 PM

Geeze, I only wish I had some of those break-apart Captain Marvels. I've always kept an eye out but I've never physically seen one.

I get rid of comics I don't like really regularly; working at a comic shop helps because I can just slip them into the back issue boxes. I do feel a little guilty, though, like I'm leaving a flaming bag of poo on the doorstep.

Like Aaron said, most of my worst comics come from a certain faction of people who say, "I know you like comics and I saw these for fifty cents each," and then I end up with things like Marvel's The Brotherhood or, my current stinker, a Lego Medieval knights comic. (Of course, that faction should be simultaneously blessed and cursed. I've also gotten things like Jim Aparo Brave & the Bold issues and Steve Englehart/Joe Staton Green Lantern Corps which has always held a place in my heart.)

dan bailey

05-03-2008, 03:08 PM

Just remember, thank God so many of us were suckered because Image puts out some of the best comics today.

Oh, I quite agree -- I have no doubt that I buy a far higher percentage of Image's releases these days than I do either Marvel's or DC's. I may well buy a higher percentage of their titles than I do those of any other company, period, though the fact that, say, Boom!, Platinum, DDP, etc have much smaller lines makes such comparisons apples-&-oranges.

I think one of the appeals was it was new, when I picked up The Savage Dragon on issue one of the regular series it just looked cool to a jr. high kid.

The operative words there are probably the last three. I was thinking just a couple of hours ago that I might well look at those early Images far differently if I'd encountered them when I was, say, 10 or 12, rather than in mid-40s. After all, comics apparently manifestly terrible -- Brother Power the Geek, come on down! -- I don't think of that way at all, no doubt simply because I loved those comics as an 8-year-old.

And is Cyberforce any worse than the X-Men that was being relased at the same time. Most marvel comics at the time. Maximum Carnage and Executioners Song spring to mind. In fact Maximum Carnage is definatly in the running for worst comic I own, except I think I got rid of it already.

Well, see, you're talking to someone who stopped reading comics circa 12/78 & only started back around 4 or 5 years ago. A high percentage of the early to mid-'90s stuff coming out from everybody looks like utter drek to me. Thing is, I've seen some of the worst tendencies of that period blamed on the influence of the success of the original Image crew, but I have no idea if there's anything to that or not.

Sadly if new universes was what I was looking for, and I think it was, I missed out on Milestone. The few things I've read from them have been intresting at worst and awesome at best.

All of those comics -- I own only a couple of individual issues, I think -- have been on my want list for quite some while.

Ryan K

05-03-2008, 04:05 PM

Oh where to begin.

I have the previously mentioned Brigade by Liefeld. I actually have one issue of it autographed by him (I waited in line 2 hours for it). I was 12 or 13 during the Image boom and I basically bought or sampled everything they put out for awhile (until my tastes developed past just liking splash pages). I even have some issues of a book called Bloodpool, which was sort of the New Mutants to Youngblood's X-Men (I guess the title Young Youngblood was too stupid even for Image).

The comic Avengelyne (look it up) comes to mind as the run I'm probably most embarassed to own. Its so God awful its unimaginable.

As for a single issue . . . Lady Death Swimsuit Issue.

I hit puberty during the whole "bad girl" book craze. I was weak.

As for why I still own these things, I don't know. They're all in storage but some of those bad Image runs do hold some nostalgia over me. The rest (like the bad girl stuff) is worthless both as reading material and monetarily. I can't bring myself to toss them but at the same time I don't want to even give them to other kids and spread such horrible comics around.

steelcable97

05-03-2008, 05:47 PM

I just completed my run of Rob Liefeld's New Mutants today for 50 cents a pop. Not sure if that's good value or not. Funny thing, some of them still had their stickers from back in the day. They were priced from $7 to $19 a copy!!!

Reptisaurus!

05-03-2008, 05:52 PM

<quote>
And since I'm being such a smartie pants here, I suppose I should confess to having those Rob rendered (well actually he had assistants), Captain Americas that he was relieved of duty on. They came as a set on eBay with the very wonderful Mark Waid set. Seems a shame that I have them in the same box.
</quote>

Y'know, I kind of like those issues. Captain America mind-blanked and given a civilain life works better for me than frozen in a block of ice, and there's a sense of fun about the whole series. Like you could tell that Liefeld really enjoyed drawing Captain America. (Albeit, y'know... Badly.)

mrjayberry

05-05-2008, 06:44 PM

As for a single issue . . . Lady Death Swimsuit Issue.

I hit puberty during the whole "bad girl" book craze. I was weak.

.

Thankfully my "bad girl" comics only consisted of Vampirella and a couple of issues of Gen13. I did however own many a Lady Death trading cards with more chrome than you could shake a stick at. Also I managed to pick up in a big lot at a liquidation store once a single issue of some bad girl comic that was just horrible unfourtantly I can't recall the name. It was close enough to porn that adult money should have been invested in actual porn and children shouldn't have seen it.

MWGallaher

05-05-2008, 07:15 PM

I'm kind of cheating, because this is one of the few items I've actually trashed out of my collection, but I did own an issue of Rip Off Press's Annie Sprinkle is Miss Timed, a wretched b&w series premised on "casting" a porn star of the late 70's as a fantasy superheroine with an awkwardly awful punny name. And Annie was one of the least attractive porn stars ever to make a "name" for herself in the industry (the "artist" of the comic made no apparent attempt to actually capture her likeness, and instead drew a generic late 80's rookie-quality superheroine type, which really wasn't that much of an improvement). I can only plead that I was buying almost everything then.
I've also got the aforementioned Edge of Chaos, but I don't remember if my copy looked that bad. It may have; last year I reread Void Indigo, and it had astonishingly awful painted colors, although I remembered it being a masterpiece.

dan bailey

05-05-2008, 07:22 PM

I've also got the aforementioned Edge of Chaos, but I don't remember if my copy looked that bad. It may have; last year I reread Void Indigo, and it had astonishingly awful painted colors, although I remembered it being a masterpiece.

I was rearranging my indies last night & glanced through the 3 Edge of Chaos issues ... noticed nothing untoward. Of course, maybe I need glasses again (stopped wearing them about 9 years ago).

benday-dot

05-05-2008, 08:17 PM

It may have; last year I reread Void Indigo, and it had astonishingly awful painted colors, although I remembered it being a masterpiece.

I certainly share your observation about Void Indigo. I only picked the 2 issues up from the dollar bins and read them for the first time just a few months ago... and the dreadful washed out colours were a real stumbling block to my enjoyment of the series.

Babylon23

05-05-2008, 08:29 PM

I've gotten rid of most of the comics I didn't like. I still have a few lingering issues from more recent times, like Avengers Disassembled, Austen's Avengers issues and Sins of the Past.

Otherwise, the completist in me still holds onto some awful fill-in issues. The gap between Michelinie's departure in Avengers 205 and Shooters return in 211 produced some pretty ordinary stories that not even the art of Gene Colan could save. The absolute low point was this gem:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/05815547774.210.gif

Sir Tim Drake

05-05-2008, 08:35 PM

I haven't read Avengers #210, but Avengers #207 is the second worst Avengers story I've ever read (the worst being #376).

Babylon23

05-05-2008, 08:39 PM

I haven't read Avengers #210, but Avengers #207 is the second worst Avengers story I've ever read (the worst being #376).

It was a bad time all round. 207 is an absolute shocker, but for me 210 is worse. It's really just a case of comparing crap with crap.

As for 376, a lot of what Bob Harris and co. did on Avengers in the 90's was pretty ordinary.

Red Oak Kid

05-06-2008, 07:36 AM

Sir Tim Drake

05-06-2008, 10:56 AM

It was a bad time all round. 207 is an absolute shocker, but for me 210 is worse. It's really just a case of comparing crap with crap.

As for 376, a lot of what Bob Harris and co. did on Avengers in the 90's was pretty ordinary.

That's the trouble -- that issue wasn't even by Bob Harras, it was a fill-in.

escapegoat

05-06-2008, 01:11 PM

I certainly share your observation about Void Indigo. I only picked the 2 issues up from the dollar bins and read them for the first time just a few months ago... and the dreadful washed out colours were a real stumbling block to my enjoyment of the series.

I think this was a problem with a bunch of the comics from the Epic line in the 80's. I remembered StarStruck being pretty good, but I looked at the first colored mini-series recently and was struck by how bad the coloring was because Kaluta draws with so much detail. The Dark Horse b/w issues looked so much better in comparison.

Lone Ranger

05-06-2008, 01:56 PM

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/05815547774.210.gif

I totally remember buying that one off the racks at my LCS when I was a kid. Even then, I knew it was crap.

My worst book is Kid 'N Play #1. It's an infinity cover, so I needed it but it's just beyond bad.

Kirk G

05-06-2008, 03:19 PM

I totally remember buying that one off the racks at my LCS when I was a kid. Even then, I knew it was crap.
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Yeah, well, some of us were just returning to comics after being gone for a long time, and having missed the X-men explosion, we were looking for a few good Marvel to round out their 4 titles for the price of 3 promotion.

I went with X-men, DD, Cap and, er, Avengers... and just missed the end of the Byrne period and the infamous Avengers Annual #10... and then the artist changed, and EVERYTHING from 202 onward appeared to be crap! It was! This was one of the worst...until the betrayal of Hank Pym arc started, and even that appeared to be crap...

mgs

05-06-2008, 05:37 PM

Honestly, if it's in my collection, I'm not embarrased to have it.

Cei-U!
I summon the bottom line!

I think all comics have some value to them in learning, but there are those that are just a bit on the bad side that , while I never gave away or anything, are embarassing, b/c of how 'bad; they are. Such as:

some of those 90's Image comics, Almost anything by Liefeld, some Japanese mangazine type comics that are basically porn (I'm not embarassed to have porn comics, treating them like violent comics, but some don't have any artistic quality to them), comics by any artist who is found to steal art, like Greg Land and David Mack, and some of those Verotik comics that were more violence and sex than substance.

Paradox

05-07-2008, 05:39 AM

I have the entire run of Marvel's Heroes Reborn books. All four books, all 13 issues each.

And yes, that's blushable. :redface:

Cei-U!

05-07-2008, 08:00 AM

I have the entire run of Marvel's Heroes Reborn books. All four books, all 13 issues each.

And yes, that's blushable. :redface:

And to think I used to respect you...

Cei-U!
I summon the fallen idol!

Actually, I have them all too, thanks to the 40 Years of... collections but at least I don't READ them.

Paradox

05-07-2008, 11:43 AM

Is it just as sad that I got back into comics in the '90s because of HR and Marvel vs. DC?

I've always been a sucker for alternate versions and company crossovers, no matter how bad. :redface:

dan bailey

05-07-2008, 12:22 PM

Actually, I have them all too, thanks to the 40 Years of... collections but at least I don't READ them.

'Dox didn't say he's read them.

Have you, 'Dox?

Cei-U!

05-07-2008, 12:54 PM

'Dox didn't say he's read them.

Good point!

Have you, 'Dox?

Please say "No," even if you have.

Cei-U!
Restore my faith, damn you!

dan bailey

05-07-2008, 01:07 PM

I'm not particularly proud to have bought the first couple of dozen issues of the latest Supergirl. I bought the first 8 or so, found them deplorably bad, excised the title from my pull list for a few months ... then came back.

Stuck around for 5 or 6 more issues, found them disjointed at best (except for an Amanda Conner one-shot featuring the new Terra a couple of years ago ... not that the new Terra has been otherwise reintroduced yet, though it's supposed to happen someday soon), excised the title from my pull list for a few months ... then came back.

Five or six more issues, about half of 'em from an artist I liked a lot (Ale Garza), & then more full-bore suckitude. Excised the title form my pull list ... & that was about 8 issues ago. I haven't been back. Every now & then I glance inside a new ish at my LCS & discern that things not only haven't improved, they may even have gotten -- amazingly enough -- worse.

(To be honest, I think there may've actually been even one more instance of dropping the title & then picking it back up a few months later ... but I've blotted any & all details from my conscious mind.)

Roquefort Raider

05-07-2008, 03:39 PM

The shame was too great and the memory suppressed but I finally remembered... I have all five variants of adjectiveless X-Men #1.

Kirk G

05-07-2008, 03:41 PM

I have the entire run of Marvel's Heroes Reborn books. All four books, all 13 issues each.

And yes, that's blushable. :redface:

You're right.
I bailed upon Cap as soon as I realized that Liebfield was drawing cap's body backwards, or that the head was on backwards.... ugh!:eek:

benday-dot

05-07-2008, 06:10 PM

Judging a book by its cover I was going to say U.S. 1, but a funny thing happened. A few issues actually found their way into my hand, and having then actually read them, I found them to be, well, just a little fun. Some rather humorous aventures among rednecks and other decidely bizarre plot premises, all scripted by a witty Al Milgrom, make the series an oddball venture not to be entirely dismissed. There is actuall a Steve Ditko penciled issue of this series I'd be very into to taking a look at.

Red Oak Kid

05-07-2008, 06:33 PM

I may no longer have them, but around 2000, I bought a mini series from DC that was awful. But I can't remember the name.

It was 3 or 4 issues. It was about a prison in the future. And the prison staff, especially the warden were corrupt, evil and perverted.

The story was sickening and the art was very crude. I couldn't believe that anyone at DC would OK a project like this.

This is probably the series you are thinking of:

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=256264&zoom=4

Anyone who would keep this in their collection is sick.

Cei-U!

05-07-2008, 06:44 PM

This is probably the series you are thinking of:

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=256264&zoom=4

Anyone who would keep this in their collection is sick.

Ewww. The cover alone makes me feel like I need a shower.

Cei-U!
What would Major Wheeler-Nicholson say?

mrjayberry

05-08-2008, 07:11 AM

"adult" comics no self respecting adult would want to read,

InfoBroker

05-08-2008, 10:38 AM

The shame was too great and the memory suppressed but I finally remembered... I have all five variants of adjectiveless X-Men #1.

I too shall confess to having the same set of variants. Oddly when I poke and prod for how I feel about this, the collector side of me is shameless at having them all, and suffered no memory loss what-so-ever. I even bought complete sets for my sons.

However, to ease my despicable digressions in the eyes of others, I can claim one small segment of prideful restraint. I only read one of them.

-jb the "actually what I don't remember is what the heck happened in that issue" ib -

MichikoS

05-08-2008, 07:41 PM

I squirm about having Warren Ellis's 2-issue acetate cover premium painted and absolutely execrable RUINS issues from 1995 in my collection. If there ever was a more ugly, downer and depressing story issued by Marvel , I don't know what it would be. I don't know why I keep those two books. RUINS is a low point in comics, in my opinion, and even though I think pretty highly of Ellis, I hate everything about RUINS.

Michi

Nightstar1441

05-08-2008, 08:08 PM

Marvel UK line - nuff said

and I sadly own some Image Liefeld as well

kello

05-08-2008, 09:12 PM

I have the entire run of Marvel's Heroes Reborn books. All four books, all 13 issues each.

And yes, that's blushable. :redface:

I'm betting you could get some good money for those on eBay.

Kirk G

05-08-2008, 09:37 PM

I'm betting you could get some good money for those on eBay.

Yes, but is it right to push them onto some other unspecting fan....:frown:

Blackhawkk

05-08-2008, 10:26 PM

I may no longer have them, but around 2000, I bought a mini series from DC that was awful. But I can't remember the name.

It was 3 or 4 issues. It was about a prison in the future. And the prison staff, especially the warden were corrupt, evil and perverted.

The story was sickening and the art was very crude. I couldn't believe that anyone at DC would OK a project like this.

Hey, DC published Preacher so they're capable of publishing anything. That's the only series I can think of for the moment that after giving it a shot for a few runs I just couldn't take it any more. Sold 'em at garage sale for .50 a piece, figure I mess around with someone else's mind.

Paradox

05-09-2008, 08:18 AM

dan bailey tries to give me absolution:View Post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6813035&postcount=36)

'Dox didn't say he's read them.

Have you, 'Dox?

NO!

OK, that was for Kurt.

Yes, I read them. I don't buy comics not to read them.

I can, however, say I did not enjoy it. :biggrin:

Paradox

05-09-2008, 08:22 AM

kello suggests:

I'm betting you could get some good money for those on eBay.

Nah. First off I never keep my comics in good condition. Comics are for reading. I treat bags and boards like candy wrappers. **falls down from the wind of the collective gasps** Secondly, I don't bother selling. They remain there, a historical artifact of the times.

Cei-U!

05-09-2008, 08:24 AM

NO!

OK, that was for Kurt.

Yes, I read them. I don't buy comics not to read them.

I can, however, say I did not enjoy it. :biggrin:

Weeeeeeeeeell... okay, then, respect restored.

Cei-U!
I summon the big "Whew"!

Paradox

05-09-2008, 08:26 AM

I only got them ALL after starting because of the "train wreck" effect. I just couldn't turn away. Plus it was Avengers! I HAD to know all the Avengers stuff, no matter how bad. I wasn't even buying comics during "The Crossing" but ended up getting all that horrid, horrid drek as well (but only out of the quarter bins). :biggrin:

dan bailey

05-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Nah. First off I never keep my comics in good condition. Comics are for reading. I treat bags and boards like candy wrappers. **falls down from the wind of the collective gasps** Secondly, I don't bother selling. They remain there, a historical artifact of the times.

I'm very much the same. I'll bag & board Silver Age & maybe Bronze Age stuff if it's close to falling apart, but that's pretty much it. If I wanted to treat things like artifacts, I'd've gone into the Public History program's archival & museum focus when I was at Arizona State, rather than the editing & publishing procedures curriculum.

And I sell only my duplicates (today I'm mailing my eBay buyers 4 boxes containing, let's see, 162 ishes, along with a couple of large envelopes with 14 more plus a TPB), in which instance I'm able to use the otherwise discarded bags & boards.

METAROG

05-09-2008, 09:54 AM

I just finished reading the first few years of the LOSH vol 4 GiffenBaum issues and although I am a huge Legion fan.... these were Bad with a capital "B". The whole concept is a bit strange as there has been a five-year span since the previous series and boy how things have changed. Although I don't like the whole concept of what occurred even if I did this would still make my list. Here are some of the problems-

The art is hard to make out-too dark and just weird. Many panels are just word balloons in shadows or total darkness.

It is very difficult to know who is doing what when-since things jump around for no rhyme or reason without explanation.

Since there are no costumes it is nearly impossible to know who is talking and the art doesn't help since most faces look the same.

When things change this radically some kind of bridge would have been helpful but instead we get 30th century type documents and personal journal entries in the back pages that we have to piece together with what is going on in the comic itself.

I could go on and on but I think you get the idea. The issues after the Quiet Darkness saga do get a bit better and things do clear up some after that but whoever had to read the first two years on a month to month basis must have been very frustrated.

Anybody read these?

dan bailey

05-09-2008, 09:56 AM

Anybody read these?

Only a couple of issues, mainly because I still need to read vol 3. And the last 85 percent or so of vol 2. *sigh*

Paradox

05-09-2008, 10:12 AM

METAROG is on that side of the fence:

Anybody read these [Legion V4]?

Yes, I have, and my opinion is almost point for point diametrically opposed to yours. Best Legion I ever read, and I'm a lifelong (since 1964) Legion fan.

But...it's not for everyone. It's one of those "you'll like this if you like that sort of thing" kind of stories.

The art is hard to make out-too dark and just weird. Many panels are just word balloons in shadows or total darkness.

That was primarily used for Roxxas' many "personalities" talking to each other (without us knowing, of course...it was foreshadow :tongue: ). But, yes, Keith (and/or Al Gordon, I believe) used a heavy amount of shadow all over the place. It's a style you either like or don't.

It is very difficult to know who is doing what when-since things jump around for no rhyme or reason without explanation.

Non-linear isn't for everyone. I loved it, but then I'm a Legion fanboy, so I had the background to know what they were talking about.

Since there are no costumes it is nearly impossible to know who is talking and the art doesn't help since most faces look the same.

We'll just have to disagree on that. I never had any problem distinguishing who was who.

When things change this radically some kind of bridge would have been helpful but instead we get 30th century type documents and personal journal entries in the back pages that we have to piece together with what is going on in the comic itself.

On the other hand, I found that GREAT! The slow reveal. Piecing the puzzle together from vague references and hints. It's part of what drew me into the story.

I could go on and on but I think you get the idea. The issues after the Quiet Darkness saga do get a bit better and things do clear up some after that but whoever had to read the first two years on a month to month basis must have been very frustrated.

It was a huge rift. There was hardly anyone that was "meh" about it. Almost everyone either LOVED it dearly or HATED it with a passion. That's the way it goes, sometimes. :wink:

METAROG

05-09-2008, 10:44 AM

Yes, I have, and my opinion is almost point for point diametrically opposed to yours. Best Legion I ever read, and I'm a lifelong (since 1964) Legion fan.

But...it's not for everyone. It's one of those "you'll like this if you like that sort of thing" kind of stories..

This is what makes comics great IMHO... there is something for all tastes. It was too weird and chaotic for me but different strokes...

That was primarily used for Roxxas' many "personalities" talking to each other (without us knowing, of course...it was foreshadow :tongue: ). But, yes, Keith (and/or Al Gordon, I believe) used a heavy amount of shadow all over the place. It's a style you either like or don't.

In a sense it fits with the bizarre changes from Vol 3 and the gloomy outlook at the time but it was frustrating for me as a fan. I understand using it for effect in a given situation but at times it was going to play where whole scenes were performed in the dark. In this medium I go to "see" as well as read.

Non-linear isn't for everyone. I loved it, but then I'm a Legion fanboy, so I had the background to know what they were talking about.

I can take non-linear when it is well done and has some basis I can relate to but at times it seems like the writers were purposefully trying to confuse and convelute events so that they would not be tied down to any actual consequences. Heck if I read them right there were 2 or 3 "reality changes" in the first few issues alone. I will say once I finished the 2nd year and went back things were a bit clearer but on a monthly comics this was too much.

We'll just have to disagree on that. I never had any problem distinguishing who was who.

For most comics this would not be too big a deal but when you are dealing with a huge cast like in LOSH and new people are being introduced at a breakneck pace it can get a little confusing. Of course costumes would not have made much sense in the flow of the story but some more details here and there would have helped me.

On the other hand, I found that GREAT! The slow reveal. Piecing the puzzle together from vague references and hints. It's part of what drew me into the story.

Okay, I understand your likes here... I did have a measure of anticipation especially during the second year and the lettercols are a must read. It was a little to vague for me but I can see your point looking back.

It was a huge rift. There was hardly anyone that was "meh" about it. Almost everyone either LOVED it dearly or HATED it with a passion. That's the way it goes, sometimes. :wink:

Thanks again for all your great and well thought out comments... I can see the other side and you actually have enlightened me as to what the writers were doing more than the actual writers did. Regardless of how it may seem from my comments-I regret the day DC rebooted the Legion... it just wasn't the same for me after issue 61.

dan bailey

05-09-2008, 11:02 AM

-I regret the day DC rebooted the Legion... it just wasn't the same for me after issue 61.

Well, aren't there something like 3 versions flying around these days? Something for everyone, I guess ...

escapegoat

05-09-2008, 03:09 PM

I didn't like the LOSH vol 4 GiffenBaum initially, but grew to love them afterwards.

benday-dot

05-09-2008, 07:10 PM

I'm very much the same. I'll bag & board Silver Age & maybe Bronze Age stuff if it's close to falling apart, but that's pretty much it. If I wanted to treat things like artifacts, I'd've gone into the Public History program's archival & museum focus when I was at Arizona State, rather than the editing & publishing procedures curriculum.

And I sell only my duplicates (today I'm mailing my eBay buyers 4 boxes containing, let's see, 162 ishes, along with a couple of large envelopes with 14 more plus a TPB), in which instance I'm able to use the otherwise discarded bags & boards.

What I actually most appreciate about boards and bags has less to do with their ability to hermetically preserve a comic for posterity, but that their presence makes it easier for me to thumb or flick through the issues in my boxes without the often ragged sheaves of pulp completely adhering to one another, as though clinging about by some strange gravitational force.

I rate highly the easy to flick quality. A nice stiff comic versus a flacid mess of newsprint.

And that was the most perverse thing I've written on CBR.

The Confessor

05-15-2008, 11:59 AM

Well, like Cei-U! said at the start of this thread, if it's in my collection then I'm not really embarressed about owning it and I must enjoy reading it on some level. Having said that though, there are a couple of series that I own that I wouldn't usually mention in polite comic buying company.

Firstly, I have all six issues of DC's Slash Maraud mini-series.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2226/slashmaraud1ap1.jpg

Yeah, it was trashy and not very well written, plus the lead character is a total Snake Pliskin wannabe but I thought that this series was awesome back in 1986. I've pretty much hung onto it for purely sentimental reasons ever since.

My second confession would have to be that I own all 32 issues of Marvel's New Universe title 'Justice'. Actually, this isn't half bad really, although John Tensen (the hero) has possibly the worst fashion sense in comics history and Marvel totally retconed the whole story about half way through the series in an attempt to make the book more appealing. A lot of comic fans frown on the New Universe stuff in general but I have to say that I actually really like this series.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8519/justice1oj5.jpg

Colossus77

05-15-2008, 12:27 PM

I'm such a comic geek that I pretty much enjoy reading them all. But if we are talking about embarrsement then it would have to be my Gladstone/Disney issues :redface:

Ryan K

05-15-2008, 12:29 PM

I'm such a comic geek that I pretty much enjoy reading them all. But if we are talking about embarrsement then it would have to be my Gladstone/Disney issues :redface:

There's NOTHING embarrassing about those.

Slam_Bradley

05-15-2008, 12:38 PM

I'm such a comic geek that I pretty much enjoy reading them all. But if we are talking about embarrsement then it would have to be my Gladstone/Disney issues :redface:

That's madness. Those should be some of the best of your collection.

MDG

05-15-2008, 02:02 PM

Firstly, I have all six issues of DC's Slash Maraud mini-series.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/2226/slashmaraud1ap1.jpg
So you're the other person who bought that series. No idea why I followed that for six (eight?) issues.

I'm such a comic geek that I pretty much enjoy reading them all. But if we are talking about embarrsement then it would have to be my Gladstone/Disney issues :redface:

There's NOTHING embarrassing about those.

Yeah--I don't know why talking ducks should be more embarrassing than superheroes. I'm serious.

dan bailey

05-15-2008, 02:10 PM

So you're the other person who bought that series. No idea why I followed that for six (eight?) issues.

Can't say I've even heard of it till now, but Moench & Gulacy had sort of a history of quality together ... [Master of Kung Fu, come on down.

Roquefort Raider

05-15-2008, 03:12 PM

So you're the other person who bought that series. No idea why I followed that for six (eight?) issues.

I did too, precisely for the reason Dan gives : Moench and Gulacy's history on Master of Kung Fu.

It wasn't very good... but not that bad either. It was going for a cheesy SF film feel and got it right. I liked the way one of the alien bad guys finally saves us all (somewhat unwittingly) because he was corrupted by alcohol and rock & roll.

Schmakt

05-16-2008, 02:25 PM

I did too, precisely for the reason Dan gives : Moench and Gulacy's history on Master of Kung Fu.

It wasn't very good... but not that bad either. It was going for a cheesy SF film feel and got it right. I liked the way one of the alien bad guys finally saves us all (somewhat unwittingly) because he was corrupted by alcohol and rock & roll.

Great! Now I know what happens! :-p

The Confessor

05-16-2008, 03:12 PM

So you're the other person who bought that series. No idea why I followed that for six (eight?) issues.

We should start the 'Slash Maraud Appreciation Society', with ourselves as joint-presidents.

Society meetings could get a bit lonely though. :wink:

Kid Monster

05-16-2008, 07:44 PM

... absolutely execrable RUINS issues from 1995 in my collection. If there ever was a more ugly, downer and depressing story issued by Marvel , I don't know what it would be...RUINS is a low point in comics... I hate everything about RUINS.

I love RUINS. It's basically "WHAT IF?: Every Single Thing in the Marvel Universe Went Horribly, Horribly Wrong?" (Favorite scene: A Daily Bugle with a picture of a dead Galactus on the front page. Headline: GOD IS DEAD, EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS INSIDE!). I can certainly see why it would not be for everyone, however. Not for most people, actually.

I'm wracking my head to come up with something relevant to this (very cool) thread, but the simple fact is that the toxic, mind-altering combination of nostalgia and fanboy-ism makes it difficult to dislike anything in my collection (short of comics that promote actual bigotry, like the Chick tracts). Even things like the Heroes Reborn CAPTAIN AMERICA have a shaggy-dog appeal to me in my middle-age. I do, however, somehow have every issue of JADE WARRIORS, a really ridiculous 1990's Image cheesecake/bondage comic about bisexual stripper ninja girls, over-the-top even by 90's cheesecake comics standards. I can't even get too down on it, though, because to be fair the cheesecake art "delivers", and "Bisexual Stripper Ninja Girls" as a concept gets bonus points for sheer audacity.

swinebread

05-17-2008, 10:04 AM

hmmmm...

I've got Secret Wars II

Also, a bunch of those TMNT rip-offs like Geriatric Jitsu Gerbils, Mildly Microwaved Kung-Fu Gophers, etc etc.

The Confessor

05-17-2008, 05:53 PM

hmmmm...

I've got Secret Wars II

Also, a bunch of those TMNT rip-offs like Geriatric Jitsu Gerbils, Mildly Microwaved Kung-Fu Gophers, etc etc.

Good lord! Whatever possessed you to buy TMNT rip-offs? I mean, the TMNT themselves were pretty cruddy but sub-TMNT comics??!! Saints preserve us!

...and I thought owning all six issues of Slash Maraud was bad. :wink:

Still, there's no shame at all in owning Secret Wars II. I'd quite like to own that mini-series myself actually.

Roquefort Raider

05-18-2008, 12:47 PM

We should start the 'Slash Maraud Appreciation Society', with ourselves as joint-presidents.

Society meetings could get a bit lonely though. :wink:

Well, at least Slash Maraud readers were numerous enough for the limited series to reach the end of its run.

Sonic disruptors readers, though...

mrjayberry

05-20-2008, 07:27 AM

After a couple of suggestions in this thread about the worst comics I used to own I stumbled across Spider-Man/X-Factor:Shadowgames, despite being written by Kurt Busiek and featuring that awesome X-Factor team Peter David wrote into my heart I didn't even finish buying the third issue. So until I stumble across something I dislike more thats my vote.

Reptisaurus!

05-20-2008, 06:06 PM

hmmmm...

I've got Secret Wars II

Also, a bunch of those TMNT rip-offs like Geriatric Jitsu Gerbils, Mildly Microwaved Kung-Fu Gophers, etc etc.

Yeah... I probably couldn't resist "Geriatric Jistsu Gerbils" if I saw it today.

Here's one of mine. This year I bought a copy of New Mutants # 87 with Rob Liefeld on art, for vaguely speculator-ish purposes.

And I was trying to buy enough comics to qualify for a three for a buck discount.. I think I needed sixty, and I had some genuinely worthwhile modern stuff.

Still. I own, and purposefully paid for a Rob Liefeld comic in my adult life, and it wasn't written by Alan Moore.

will_butler

05-21-2008, 10:30 AM

The Confessor

05-21-2008, 05:57 PM

I trade comics with people through the mail, and the other day one of my packages came with a freebie: issues 1-3 of NFL Superpro. I'm really, really looking forward to checking these out, honestly.

Just out of interest, where abouts do you go to find people to trade with? Or do you use the trading thread in the CBR 'Community Forum'?

Ryan K

05-22-2008, 01:26 PM

Just out of interest, where abouts do you go to find people to trade with? Or do you use the trading thread in the CBR 'Community Forum'?

I'm not Will, but I can field this a bit.

The Trading Thread on the Comm board is great. Just post a list of stuff you have for swap and a list of stuff you want. That second list can either be specific titles and issue #'s or fairly vague if you're looking for pretty much anything. I've had a ton of good trades on there over the years. Picked up full runs and pieces of runs to fill in my collection. Plus I've picked up stuff I otherwise wouldn't have paid for and found new treasures.

There are some other places with set ups similar to the Trading Thread. Newsarama has a similar thread somewhere on there. It appears to be more active than ours but I'm never on Newsarama.

The one I use the most is Sequential Swap (www.sequentialswap.com). Its a site exclusively for trading graphic novels and tpb's (though I've gotten my fair share of single issues on there too). Its a wonderful resource. I always go there before I go buy something at the LCS or Amazon. I've gotten everything ranging from DC Archives to brand new just-released-this-week stuff on there. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Herr Mike

05-22-2008, 03:47 PM

I just threw out 2 grocery bags full of really bad comics. It was an odd thing. I coveted any comic severely as a youngster, and to finally admit that most of them are worthless was weird.

And please, don't say I should have donated them or something. I'm not about to unleash SuperPro #2 (When Quick Kick is on offense, there is no defense!) on to some kid.

I just had a plethora of complete crap. Secret Defenders? Yeah I had some. Amethyst Princess of Gemworld? Yup. The Darkhawk issue where he fights Venom? Uh huh.

Kirk G

05-22-2008, 03:47 PM

Yeah... I probably couldn't resist "Geriatric Jistsu Gerbils" if I saw it today.

Here's one of mine. This year I bought a copy of New Mutants # 87 with Rob Liefeld on art, for vaguely speculator-ish purposes.

And I was trying to buy enough comics to qualify for a three for a buck discount.. I think I needed sixty, and I had some genuinely worthwhile modern stuff.

Still. I own, and purposefully paid for a Rob Liefeld comic in my adult life, and it wasn't written by Alan Moore.

You might try the psycho-analytical issue of X-Factor under Peter David.... I think it might have been #84. It's the one where Val and the team are being studied by Leonard Sampson, I think.

TheHistorian

05-22-2008, 04:16 PM

Over the years, I've culled my collection of anything that I just didn't like anymore (and occasionally that has caused a later repurchase, but I digress). Even if I had the space, I'm not sure about the idea of keeping something bad enough that you wouldn't want to read it again.

A couple things I might file under Guilty Pleasure (not Embarassing) could be some of the Clive Barker comics such as Pinhead and non-Willingham issues of Elementals.

dan bailey

05-22-2008, 06:38 PM

IAmethyst Princess of Gemworld? Yup.

Come now. Nothing wrong with that one at all.

Besides, aren't you supposed to be over on Baseball for the Thinking Fan, defending the honor of Frank Miller & holding forth on how vastly more prolific John Byrne was than Jack Kirby (if I'm remembering you correctly .. that thread won't open up for me, though others do -- whoever Furtado pays to host that site, he really needs to can)?

Herr Mike

05-22-2008, 08:06 PM

Come now. Nothing wrong with that one at all.

Besides, aren't you supposed to be over on Baseball for the Thinking Fan, defending the honor of Frank Miller & holding forth on how vastly more prolific John Byrne was than Jack Kirby (if I'm remembering you correctly .. that thread won't open up for me, though others do -- whoever Furtado pays to host that site, he really needs to can)?

:biggrin:

Now that is weird...I just opened that account today! I too couldn't get back into it. Anyway, it's small world! I love that site.

And I wasn't saying Byrne was a lot more prolific than Kirby, just that Kirby really wasn't a lot more prolific than Byrne.

dan bailey

05-22-2008, 08:09 PM

:biggrin:

Now that is weird...I just opened that account today! I too couldn't get back into it. Anyway, it's small world! I love that site.

And I wasn't saying Byrne was a lot more prolific than Kirby, just that Kirby really wasn't a lot more prolific than Byrne.

And I think you happen to be incorrect, mainly because Kirby was really mind-bogglingly prolific. We have some guys here who are more or less experts on Kirby (something I very much am not).

And yeah, cool to see someone else both places. Basically, the time I don't waste here, I'm pretty likely to be wasting there (as "gef the talking mongoose," natch).

Herr Mike

05-22-2008, 08:14 PM

And I think you happen to be incorrect, mainly because Kirby was really mind-bogglingly prolific. We have some guys here who are more or less experts on Kirby (something I very much am not).

And yeah, cool to see someone else both places. Basically, the time I don't waste here, I'm pretty likley to be wasting there (as "gef the talking mongoose," natch).

Too freaking weird. I'm sorry for being the obligatory noob punk who creates an account just to bust on an old curmedgeon. :wink:

dan bailey

05-22-2008, 08:15 PM

Too freaking weird. I'm sorry for being the obligatory noob punk who creates an account just to bust on an old curmedgeon. :wink:

Don't you dare apologize. I've done it too many other places myself!

Herr Mike

05-22-2008, 08:22 PM

I blame my bad attitude on Jake Peavy's DL stint.

dan bailey

05-22-2008, 08:31 PM

I blame my bad attitude on JD Drew's existence. (I sit him today because he missed the last couple of games with one of his customary owies, probably brought on by too stiff a wind gust, or something. So of course he hits a grand slam.)

At least one other regular here, Kan-Man, is quite the sports fan as well. I don't know about you guys, but comics make for an infinitely more expensive pursuit. It'd be different if I ever went to games, but I've been to only, I believe, 4 in my life, all within the last half-decade or so (Atlanta is about 3 hours from here), though I have taken in a fair number of AA games over the years in Little Rock & here.

Having discontinued buying cards awhile back (an inclination helped immeasurably by my no longer being employed in a sports collectibles store), I guess I spend approximately $0.00 a year on sports, except for the very occasional book.