Vulcan/Shi'ar Saga: The Final Part?

[Mitteloss]

After two and half years and 23 issues of dragging away some of our favourite characters, there's finally been "talk" about the final, "third" part of Vulcan's story.

When and where it finally comes we don't know. But where do you think the story should continue and finish? Who should be the lead characters and in what book?

[hawkeye comeback]

maybe a garduins of the galaxy story

[Beast]

We already had a thread about this a while ago.

With the rest of the major space empires in ruins and the Shi'ar relatively untouched it only makes sense for it to be Annihilation 3. Especially with Vulcan and Deathbird moving the Shi'ar back to their old ways of conquest. Probably why Havok, Polaris, and Marvel Girl were left in space limbo.

[Mitteloss]

Question in all caps?

We already had a thread about this a while ago.

Where??

[jmc247]

Especially with Vulcan and Deathbird moving the Shi'ar back to their old ways of conquest. Probably why Havok, Polaris, and Marvel Girl were left in space limbo.

The editors said the series would end in Uncanny, though I agree that Annihilation would make the most sense.

[kate-pryde]

I voted for in it's own mini-series because I think that would provide the best possible outcome.

For one, it could be written by Chris Yost. He did a great job with Emperor Vulcan and deserves to write the follow-up.

And two, it hopefully wouldn't just be Cyclops, Wolverine, and Emma swooping in to save the day after Alex, Rachel and Lorna failed miserably. I've had enough of Alex being one-uped by Scott and it's about time he showed who's the better Summers brother.

[AnthonyJ]

Given what a train wreck the series was, putting it out of it's misery in one or two issues of Uncanny seems like the best we can hope for.

[Mitteloss]

The editors said the series would end in Uncanny, though I agree that Annihilation would make the most sense.

Yes, there hasn't been any definite proof of it ending in Uncanny, but this thread is about where it should end.

I personally think that if it ends in an Annihilation III or one of the ongoing cosmic books then the Starjammers would certainly be pushed to supporting roles.

[Beast]

The editors said the series would end in Uncanny, though I agree that Annihilation would make the most sense.
Then they'll probably just do the Epilogue/Aftermath issues in Uncanny. Or tie them into it.

I can't see them dedicating even more Uncanny to a story that wasn't well recieved.

And one that even Brubaker pretty much cut ties on at the end of RAFOTSE.

[jmc247]

I personally think that if it ends in an Annihilation III or one of the ongoing cosmic books then the Starjammers would certainly be pushed to supporting roles.

I don't want the Uncanny team to swoop in to save the day and defeat Vulcan either.

The best for Havok, Lorna, and Rachel would be a final mini series, because if could revolve around them and Vulcan. But, that said I would rather get this whole plotline done as quickly as possible and them back on Earth. Hell, I would be happy if they were saved and and returned to Earth for the big Vulcan battle to happen in 2 or 3 years.

[Beast]

I've had enough of Alex being one-uped by Scott and it's about time he showed who's the better Summers brother.
Sadly according to Marvel the answer is Gabriel Summers. Boo.

[Brian M.]

I like the plot line, honestly I'd love to see it be the Annihilation III event but if they stay in space afterwards that's fine w/ me. Maybe Havok will finally get some balls and Rachel can mature.

[darknessatnoon]

I've had enough of Alex being one-uped by Scott and it's about time he showed who's the better Summers brother.

If he hasn't shown he's better than Scott by now, then he's probably not.

[Mitteloss]

If he hasn't shown he's better than Scott by now, then he's probably not.

It shouldn't be about Havok trying to be better than Scott, it should be about Alex getting out of his brother's shadow (just not while being in space limbo). Which he has for a bit... until the end of Emperor Vulcan.

[ChristosSoter]

Sadly according to Marvel the answer is Gabriel Summers. Boo.
That's cause he is.

[CyberHubbs]

Given how well-received Marvel's updating of their space stories has been, I'd like to see Havok and co. remain as Starjammers. Let him and his crew figure out how to beat Vulcan on their own, rather than have Scott ride in on Emma to save the day.

Out there, they can do something and have their own adventures. Back on Earth, they would be lost in the shuffle.

[Brian M.]

Sadly according to Marvel the answer is Gabriel Summers. Boo.

I like Vulcan.

[DDM]

I hear Marvel is waiting to release the final part until their special effects art gets more advanced...:tongue:

[pryde15]

I like Vulcan.

Why, Brian, why?!?!?! I mean Brubaker had the stepping stones for a great villain in the making, and then we get a thirteen year old hooking up with a bird lady!


They should've kept Sway & Petra around. :frown:

[ChristosSoter]

I heard they're not :wink:

[pryde15]

I heard they're not. :wink:

You have no room to insult other people's jokes. Seriously.

[ClanAskani]

I have it on good authority that Uncanny is the book where it will most likely continue, and that the Starjammers won't be in any of the cosmic Marvel books.

I don't care where it continues, as long as it's over as quickly as possible.

I just want Rachel back on Earth where she can be a part of all of the happenings there and interact with everyone else.

[Brian M.]

Why, Brian, why?!?!?! I mean Brubaker had the stepping stones for a great villain in the making, and then we get a thirteen year old hooking up with a bird lady!


They should've kept Sway & Petra around. :frown:

The Deathbird thing was a bit lame, but I think he's a compelling character, basically a young boy who's been artificially aged to his twenty's and then given this massive power increase, found out he was used and then forgotten by someone he wanted to look up too. He does have the chance to become a great character, he could probably take Magneto's place imo as the X-Men's prime villian. He has the personal connection to a key figure in the X-Men, he has the motivation, he has the power. It's important to remember also that Magneto in his first couple appearances wasn't a great villain either. It took years to flesh him out, to make him the compelling character he is today. I think given time so could Vulcan.

[CyberHubbs]

Rachel can remain in space and hang with Phyla-Vell.

[pryde15]

The Deathbird thing was a bit lame, but I think he's a compelling character, basically a young boy who's been artificially aged to his twenty's and then given this massive power increase, found out he was used and then forgotten by someone he wanted to look up too. He does have the chance to become a great character, he could probably take Magneto's place imo as the X-Men's prime villian. He has the personal connection to a key figure in the X-Men, he has the motivation, he has the power. It's important to remember also that Magneto in his first couple appearances wasn't a great villain either. It took years to flesh him out, to make him the compelling character he is today. I think given time so could Vulcan.

That is true about Magneto being a dumb villain at first, I have Uncanny X-Men #1, and it's really funny that he turned into such a great character.

He does have the stepping stones to be a great villain, but he needs a writer that can take him to that level. At this point, I am not a fan, I was drawn to Sway & Petra off the bat. But like usual, when I like a character they get killed.

:frown:

[ExodusCloak]

I'd welcome it as a 3rd Annihilation.

[pryde15]

Rachel can remain in space and hang with Phyla-Vell.

Get her to shave her head and Phyla would never be able to tell the difference.

[Brian M.]

I have it on good authority that Uncanny is the book where it will most likely continue, and that the Starjammers won't be in any of the cosmic Marvel books.

I don't care where it continues, as long as it's over as quickly as possible.

I just want Rachel back on Earth where she can be a part of all of the happenings there and interact with everyone else.

And where are you getting this information? Becuase the direction Uncanny is heading in seems to be opposite of any interaction w/ the Shi'ar.

[ExodusCloak]

And where are you getting this information? Becuase the direction Uncanny is heading in seems to be opposite of any interaction w/ the Shi'ar.

Exactly after Uncanny X-Men #500 you'd thing they'd be moving forwards rather then backwards. And I wasn't getting any Shiar vibe from Fraction or Bru in their interviews.

[ClanAskani]

Vulcan was a good character up until he hooked up with Deathbird and decided to be Shi'ar emperor.

Vulcan as an angry, impulsive, insane 15 year old with a grudge worked well.

But once he became Shi'ar Emperor, he became the worst villain since Xorn.

[ClanAskani]

And where are you getting this information? Becuase the direction Uncanny is heading in seems to be opposite of any interaction w/ the Shi'ar.

From someone who would know.

[darknessatnoon]

Rachel fans should not want that story to reach a conclusion. She's got R.I.P. tattooed all over her back.

[ChristosSoter]

But once he became Shi'ar Emperor, he became the worst villain since Xorn.
Xorn owns!!!

[Jake V]

I just want Rachel back on Earth where she can be a part of all of the happenings there and interact with everyone else.

Why? So she can be ignored on earth too?

[North-Star]

I would really like to see an ending for the whole storyline quite soon. Rather in it's own mini, than in Uncanny. Let Uncanny deal with the whole M-Day shyte and the coolness that was Messiah Complex.

New base, new times, new X-men!!!

I am really looking forward in seeing Alex step his game up, defeat Vulcan and his Shi'ar cronies and then go back to Earth where he comes to blows with Cyke, 'cos he thinks his big bro is messing it all up!! And start a whole new team that still believes in the ("old") dream.

They'll be based on the east coast again and we can have another X-book with a slamdunkin' great team, written by Kyle and Yost.

The team would consist of: Havok (leader), Polaris (his wife :tongue: ), Hellion (the big mouthed skilled one. Having more respect for Alex then Scott for giving him 'chances'), Rachel (severely damaged the first couple issues, but knowing her responsibilities again when she's training Hellion <as promised!!!>) and Ch'od (after Rasa, Lilandra and Korvus died, meaning that there were no more starjammers). It would be ass kicking to see Julian tell Ch'od: 'You've got a very familliar sense of humor u know that?'.....

[Flameworthy]

They should've kept Sway & Petra around. :frown:

For realz! Instead we got stuck with Darwin and Vulcan (and two boring stories dedicated to him, blah).

I'd rather this story just be finished in one or two issue. I don't really care in what book it's in at this point. I just want to see Polaris back on earth, and see Alex and Rachel die in the aftermath.

[rescura]

Well, Vulcan is a good villain, I really like him and hope he don't die in the end of the series (which would be stupid since he would come back soon as a writer wanted to tell a Shi'ar story anyway)...
No Annihilation, Annihilation have that OVERPOWER-COSMIC-BURNINATOR feelind while the Shi'ar stories are more like a space opera of empires and rebels and ships and great battles between brothers...
I would like to see it in a miniseries written by Brubaker (he started, he ends... Besides I think RFOTSE is better that Emperor Vulcan in so many ways...) and penciled by Bachalo (:biggrin: ) with Vulcan ending in a state of near-death, to come to earth after de X-teams estabilished and shake things up then!

[ClanAskani]

Why? So she can be ignored on earth too?

There are places that Rachel could show up, that would be better utilizing her than in space.

Like X-Force, since Rachel had the idea of killing villains 20 years ago.

Or, Rachel would be a great addition to Cable, especially considering how her relationship with Cable mirrors his relationship with the baby. Plus it would be the best place to deal with all of the Askani related questions with Rachel that have been lingering for 8 years now.

[ChristosSoter]

There are places that Rachel could show up, that would be better utilizing her than in space.

Like X-Force, since Rachel had the idea of killing villains 20 years ago.

Or, Rachel would be a great addition to Cable, especially considering how her relationship with Cable mirrors his relationship with the baby. Plus it would be the best place to deal with all of the Askani related questions with Rachel that have been lingering for 8 years now.
I would love her in Cable!!

As long as there is know mention of DinoRachel.

[ClanAskani]

And Rachel needs to get back to Earth to help train Hellion. Poor Julian is still waiting.

That's another aspect of Rachel's character that's never been developed. She's the only X-Man who's truly grown up at the X-mansion, and could totally relate to what the kids are going through, but she's never been shown as a teacher.

It's not that all the space stuff couldn't be interesting, but the prospects of everything else she could be doing back on Earth are far better suited to Rachel's character and showing why her fans like her.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Rachel fans should not want that story to reach a conclusion. She's got R.I.P. tattooed all over her back.

Well, a tattoo seems less self-fulfilling than a reset button.

I like the plot line, honestly I'd love to see it be the Annihilation III event but if they stay in space afterwards that's fine w/ me. Maybe Havok will finally get some balls and Rachel can mature.

Let it be so! I'm looking forward to this conclusion on the assumption that it will complete these lingering issues; if it does, I can feel my instinct to generally like the direction this all took is correct, I'll feel stabbed in the back if not.

I'd like to see it Uncanny, just so that there can be more (and better written) interaction between Vulcan, Cyclops, Havok and Rachel. I'd love to see it as the conclusion to this Space Epic Era the X-Men have been stuck in recently. We're going to have a Carey X-Men-combine-to-face-a-space-threat in Secret Invasion, though makes it less exciting a prospect...

[Lombardo!]

keep it in it's own mini, thanks

[Leirus]

That's another aspect of Rachel's character that's never been developed. She's the only X-Man who's truly grown up at the X-mansion, and could totally relate to what the kids are going through, but she's never been shown as a teacher.

It's not that all the space stuff couldn't be interesting, but the prospects of everything else she could be doing back on Earth are far better suited to Rachel's character and showing why her fans like her.


I had never given that a though... but it is true, she also witnessed a deadpool in the X-Mansion... God, the Shi-ar situation really needs to end

[Daithi]

Rachel fans should not want that story to reach a conclusion. She's got R.I.P. tattooed all over her back.

Or worse..eXiles. Can you imagine Sage, Betsy and Rachel in the same CC book? Brr.

What's the next issue? The one where Havok is supposed to be some sort of threat to the Vulcan and the Shi'ar after being defeated twice?

[Askani's Flame]

Rachel fans should not want that story to reach a conclusion. She's got R.I.P. tattooed all over her back.

She's had the R.I.P. mark over her head for a while, but yet she seems to still not be killed off. Funny huh :wink:

I voted for Uncanny over the mini option only because if it is going to conclude and have the Starjammers rejoin the X-men down the line, as mentioned in one of the interviews, I'd like it to happen in Uncanny. I still don't foresee any resolution happening within the next 3 years anyways.

I feel that another mini will leave the story still open-ended.

While the idea of Annihilation or a cosmic book is great, until the Sh'iar become this looming threat to the universe again, they are still the X-Men's mess to deal with.

Legacy would be a decent idea since both the Sh'iar and Vulcan are Xavier's mess, I doubt they will go into this book.

[jmc247]

I voted for Uncanny over the mini option only because if it is going to conclude and have the Starjammers rejoin the X-men down the line, as mentioned in one of the interviews, I'd like it to happen in Uncanny. I still don't foresee any resolution happening within the next 3 years anyways.

I feel the same way, they are going to be stuck in space at least until at least 2010 or 2011.

[jarrod]

Uncanny. It's Bru's mess, he should be the one to clean it up.

[Askani's Flame]

Uncanny. It's Bru's mess, he should be the one to clean it up.

For truth! I don't care how he doesn't want to clean it up, he made it. Finish it so there is resolution and the 3 come home.

[darknessatnoon]

What if the way the story is supposed to end is that they don't make it back alive?

[jmc247]

What if the way the story is supposed to end is that they don't make it back alive?

Chris Yost seemed to say there are future plans for the characters that he implied would probably not include them all just being killed off at the end of the next Vulcan series.

Thanks for the kind words, all. Even from those of you who only liked 4 issues and 20-odd pages of the series. I'll take it. Probably better than hating 4 and 7/8 of the series and liking the last two pages. :)

Emperor Vulcan really was a dream come true for me, as I got to have Alex, Lorna and Rachel seriously whip some ass - in space... two of my favorite things (space, and kicking ass).

And I wouldn't worry too much about your favorite character. There are plans, from even before I came onboard. And hey, its a Summers brother, the daughter of Magneto, and the Phoenix. I think they'll be okay.

Plus, Ch'od's alien ferret is out there somewhere plotting.

Thanks again,

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=207636&page=14

[Askani's Flame]

Well if that was true, I would not be impressed. But if Alex , Lorna and Rachel had to die in it, I would hope it would be something spectacular and I might be fine. . . . after a few months.

But since it was brought up in an interview not too long ago (I'll have to research which one it was) that eventually the X-Men in space would be rejoining the ranks, I don't think that it is the case.

[jarrod]

If Ray bit it, I think I'd be okay with it... I mean, we just got 616 Rachel in Messiah Complex anyway. ;)