Daredevil(series discussion) ***possible spoilers*** for those not familiar with book

[timomcshade]

Hello all my fellow Daredevil fans. If you have followed the series since vol 2 launched with Kevin Smith or you didn't pick it up until Bendis or even Brubaker you know that they keep piling the bad on Matt/Daredevil. We know he has lost it a few times but my question to you is how much longer do you think he can go before he REALLY goes totally psychotic and dies either in battle or by his own hand? Or maybe he lands in a mental institution like Milla? Does Matt actually make it through all this?

If he were to disappear as Daredevil again do you think that Danny Rand would take over as DD permanently? Would Spidey and Iron Fist and others like Echo or Ronin pick up the D's and masquerade as him?

I really don't think he can take much more. He is turning permanently into DD and Matt is slowly disappearing.

Thougts?

[Libaax]

It would be interesting if he retired cause of mental reasons and someone else took over atleast for a time. Not someone as busy and famous like IF,Spidey though.

[Seraku]

I stopped reading DD about halfway through the Bendis run, but plan on picking it back up. Is the Brubaker run as good as the Bendis run?

[Gloria]

Seraku: Personally, I like Brubaker's take on Daredevil quite a lot. I recommend you to give a look to his first arch "The Devil in Cell Block D" (which, I think has been collected in the TPB The Devil Inside and Out, 1) which is a riveting prison story.

Re Murdock and his state of mind: my guess is that Brubaker's intention, not unlike Miller did in "Born Again", is to bring the hero down in order to make him get up again, stronger and with a more clear purpose of life... That's only my guess and I admit there's a lot of wishful thinking there :wink:

Otherwise I think poor Matt needs a rest: Like a full month in a Spa, miles away from Hell's Kitchen, and let Dakota wear the tights

[agrich]

The comic may as well be called "Matt Murdock" rather than Daredevil. Murdock's not going anywhere. He's not going to die, be replaced, whatever. Even when he WAS replaced by Danny Rand, Murdock had far more page time than "Daredevil."

So basically, Brubaker's already done what you're suggesting in "Captain America." It's not going to happen in Daredevil.

[matthewaos]

I think probably he is going to find his way again, but I wouldn't try to second guess Brubaker, cause I really enjoy his run and I can't wait to see where this is going!

[Mia]

To answer the question above, I don't know. But I will say this. I really, really,really, really dislike Brubaker on this book. At first I thught it was due to the fact that I find Brubaker boring writer. But it's more than that. Brubaker's DD is insecure and neurotic.

Not to say that DD did not have problems under Bendis. But at least with Bendis, DD sucked it in and faced his problems like an adult. Brubaker is having DD throwing temper tantrums like a spoilt 14 year old. That's not heroic or mature. It's cowardly and childish. I don't need to shell out money for this crap when I can get it for free watching teenagers in a mall.

I realise that Bendis left the book so that someone else a chance to write it. But in my view Bruebaker is not nearly up to the charge. Please someone tell me he is off soon and Bendis is coming back.

[fred10]

I like Bru's run. I think that Matt is being more childish now, because that's where he is at. Now. He wasn't quite there during the Bendis run. But now... his trouble has been going on for too. long. And there hasn't been any reprieve. I mean, you had a couple of break downs in the eighties and early nineties, but lately it's just one crisis after another. It's having an impact on Matt's personality. He's become more withdrawn. Not only from the people around him, but from the reader, as well. Last ish had more to do with ancillary characters and their reaction to Matt's crisis. I think it's playing out nicely. Bru's giving us some time to recognize and absorb the fact that Matt is a changed man right now. They don't need to give Matt a break. They need to see this shit through. I can't wait to see what this is all leading too. High drama.

[fred10]

blippidybloop

[jumonji]

They don't need to give Matt a break. They need to see this shit through. I can't wait to see what this is all leading too. High drama. I too, like Bru's run and prefer it to Bendis's actually (which I also liked). As for giving Matt a break... I think it's crucial to the believability (and relatability) of the character that they do give him a break at some point. At the same time, I agree that they need to "see this shit through," if only to give the appropriate amount of weight to what's he's been through.

I suspect that the people who only want stormy weather and constant pain for Matt haven't read much of volume one. The previous times writers have done a deconstruction followed by a reconstruction, the reconstruction has been complete. It hasn't been like in Vol 2 where Matt goes from completely down on his luck to just coping. In reality, there is nothing out of character about Matt being relatively happy for a while. For this to happen right away, with Milla's situation being what it is, would be inappropriate, but I would eventually like to see about a year's worth of issues of things being stable in Matt's own life.

Incidentally, I just (earlier today) wrote a post (http://theothermurdockpapers.blogspot.com/2008/04/beyond-fear.html) about this on my blog, if anyone is interested.

[timomcshade]

Please someone tell me he is off soon and Bendis is coming back.

Well I don't know if Bendis is coming back: he still has USM, the Avengers books, SI and Ultimate Origins to write as well as that long in the making reteaming with Maleev for a Spider-Woman book, but I DO know that Greg Rucka is joining Brubaker for an upcoming issue or 2. Who knows where that is going to lead.

I love Brubakers run though, almost as much as Bendis's, so I do not want him to leave.

As for Vol 1 DD and I didn't read it consistently. The only DD I read with any regularity was the Miller stuff. At the time I was totally X-Men and didn't get really into DD until later.

[Gloria]

Huh... Something just came to my mind.

Have you peeked at Brubaker's uncanny X-men of late? Because... Well, brubaker has Cyclops smiling.

You read well. Cyclops. Smiling.

Yes, same Mr. Scott "I've been angsting ever since Stan Lee wrote me in X-Men #1" Summers. Scott Summers the man who married the Phoenix but then it wasn't her and he died and then she married a nice girl who just looked like Jean, and then Jean came back, etc, etc, etc...

Well, dare I say that Cyclops has had a more traumatized life than Murdock.

And yet Brubaker has made him smile. And it looks good.

If he can make Cyclops smile and joke, I bet Brubaker can make Matt smile again, I mean, Murdock in the beginning was jollier than Summers ever was

[fred10]

I agree that Matt should be happy again at some point. It's inevitable, you can't survive being depressed all the time. Your mind rejects it, whether it's appropriate or not. In fact, something like that might give everything he's gone through the gravity it requires. How about that? A euphoric Matt in the midst of a shitstorm? Maybe not. But this is all leading to some kind of break with reality.

[Libaax]

The comic may as well be called "Matt Murdock" rather than Daredevil. Murdock's not going anywhere. He's not going to die, be replaced, whatever. Even when he WAS replaced by Danny Rand, Murdock had far more page time than "Daredevil."

So basically, Brubaker's already done what you're suggesting in "Captain America." It's not going to happen in Daredevil.

Nah it wont happen like in Cap mostly cause he doesnt have his own Bucky ;)


I meant he needs a small break. We need to see take time as Matt, refocus. While someone covers for him like Rand did. No no no to a new DD more than a litlte temporary DD.

[Darediva]

I'm for having a little respite in here somewhere for Matt Murdock, but it can't come at the inappropriate time, like right as his wife is in psychiatric lockup. The deconstruction cycle has to be almost at its lowest point, though, so I have faith that Brubaker has something very good for us in store in the coming arcs.

I don't expect a wisecracking hero, but it's been shown at times before that Matt does have an ironic sense of humor at times, and I wouldn't mind just a little of that for some good measure.

I still consider DD to be my number one comic read, and I've seen a lot of really BAD stories in his saga over the years. To paraphrase a conversation I had once with the publisher after a panel at a con: I've read the entire run, and yes, there have been some sh*tty stories, but I'm still here for the ride.

[Baltho08]

Huh... Something just came to my mind.

Have you peeked at Brubaker's uncanny X-men of late? Because... Well, brubaker has Cyclops smiling.

You read well. Cyclops. Smiling.

Yes, same Mr. Scott "I've been angsting ever since Stan Lee wrote me in X-Men #1" Summers. Scott Summers the man who married the Phoenix but then it wasn't her and he died and then she married a nice girl who just looked like Jean, and then Jean came back, etc, etc, etc...

Well, dare I say that Cyclops has had a more traumatized life than Murdock.

And yet Brubaker has made him smile. And it looks good.

If he can make Cyclops smile and joke, I bet Brubaker can make Matt smile again, I mean, Murdock in the beginning was jollier than Summers ever was

OR...cyke is a skrull.
Peace.

[timomcshade]

OR...cyke is a skrull.
Peace.

that would explain it!

[Gloria]

LOL! :biggrin:

[timomcshade]

I WOULD be suspicious of any behavior that is not normal.