Secondary Mutations: Product of a by-gone era...

[ProfeZZor X]

I know a lot of you don't like secondary mutations, and the topic has almost been beaten into the ground with a lot of unresolve, and this is certainly NOT a poll on whether or not you like them. But the fact remains that there still seems to be quite a few of them floating around out there in the X-verse. My questions to you are:

Which of those mutants with secondary mutations have you grown accustomed to still having those secondary powers?

Does it make a difference that they still have those secondary powers to you?

If you had the opportunity to give an X-character a secondary power that lasted this long, who whould it have been, and what would have been that power?

[La Fea]

Which of those mutants with secondary mutations have you grown accustomed to still having those secondary powers?

Could you list them? I kinda forgot who had them other than Warren, who I do not really heavily associate with being a living blood bank for convenient blood types only.

Does it make a difference that they still have those secondary powers to you?

Obviously not as I can't remember any.

If you had the opportunity to give an X-character a secondary power that lasted this long, who whould it have been, and what would have been that power?

Wind Dancer would obv have to get her primary mutation back, but I would also like her to either explore powers in either water or sound.

[Monty_Cristo]

i'd make Shortpack indestructible as a secondary mutation; but still have limited strength because of his size.

[La Fea]

i'd make Shortpack indestructible as a secondary mutation; but still have limited strength because of his size.

I would like that!

That'd be a neat twist on the typical.

[Monty_Cristo]

I would like that!

That'd be a neat twist on the typical.

he's already an action figure. he should be hard to break, as well.

[Seikun21]

I love that Iceman's body is actually made out of ice and that he's so hard to kill like that. I like that he's so powerful.

And I like Emma's diamond form. Makes her unique among telepaths.

Elixir's gold skin doesn't really count as a secondary mutation does it? It makes a great visual though.

[Monty_Cristo]

maybe Wiccan's brown hair is a secondary mutation.

[Michael Sean]

I always liked the concept of secondary mutation and never understood the fan disdain over them. A good writer, like Grant Morrison, can make almost any concept into something believable.

I loved Emma's diamond form. It was a good explanation that under extreme circumstances mutants could experience a secondary mutation to aid in their survival.

Anyhow there are a lot of mutants that have more than one power, say Jean Grey for example or M who has numerous powers. Also for a while Rogue had several powers.

I think the problem would have been if too many had secondary mutations or if some mutants got really weird ones (like Angel's healing blood). I would have preferred if Angel had a healing touch similar to "Xorn" or that New Xmen kid.

[_Jayme_]

I know a lot of you don't like secondary mutations, and the topic has almost been beaten into the ground with a lot of unresolve, and this is certainly NOT a poll on whether or not you like them. But the fact remains that there still seems to be quite a few of them floating around out there in the X-verse. My questions to you are:

Which of those mutants with secondary mutations have you grown accustomed to still having those secondary powers?

Does it make a difference that they still have those secondary powers to you?

If you had the opportunity to give an X-character a secondary power that lasted this long, who whould it have been, and what would have been that power?

I didn't know people didn't like secondary mutations..Anyhow..

I think everyone has grown to Emma's diamond form by now. I can say that I haven't gotten used to Beast's secondary mutation though. I started reading after that, but I'm to used to seeing Beast from the 90's where he's not as...groomed.

I would probably give Hellion a secondary mutation of some sort. Telekinesis in itself isn't working all that much as far as his abilities go for me.

[Monty_Cristo]

I didn't know people didn't like secondary mutations..Anyhow..

I think everyone has grown to Emma's diamond form by now. I can say that I haven't gotten used to Beast's secondary mutation though. I started reading after that, but I'm to used to seeing Beast from the 90's where he's not as...groomed.

I would probably give Hellion a secondary mutation of some sort. Telekinesis in itself isn't working all that much as far as his abilities go for me.

maybe he could have pyrokinesis as well (like Legion and Typhoid Mary). psi abilities often go hand in hand. and it would fit w/ the name 'Hellion.'

[_Jayme_]

That would work. Especially considering with the loss of Pyro..We don't have very many mutants who can control fire anymore I don't think.

[IronKing]

I wish Beast hadn't mutated again. I understand it was done to advance the character. But seeing Beast next to Dark Beast last year reminded me that I liked the old look better. Not to mention, it's not fair seeing the bad guy look "normal" and the good guy even more mutated.

I don't really mind secondary mutations. All the bigger characters have been done pretty well so far. I look at it more as characters delving further in to their own powers and finding new limitations.

[Monty_Cristo]

That would work. Especially considering with the loss of Pyro..We don't have very many mutants who can control fire anymore I don't think.

yeah. there are a couple of characters who appear to be engulfed in flame, though. ex. Match and Feverpitch

[DeniseXfrost]

Emma's secondary mutation ala diamond form is the best.

[Seikun21]

maybe Wiccan's brown hair is a secondary mutation.

You cannot have seriously brought this up again. Like I said it all depends on the artist and colorist that is currently drawing him.

It's a pointless argument, considering the fact that there are so many various shades for hair color and factors which affect how hair color looks that this is all subjective. Black hair can be easily confused as a very dark brown. It can just be argued that in most lighting Billy's hair appears black, but if you look closely it can also look like a very dark brown.

[ChristosSoter]

yeah. there are a couple of characters who appear to be engulfed in flame, though. ex. Match and Feverpitch
Match can control fire as well as be engulfed in it.

[ChristosSoter]

Hellion can not have a secondery mutation because nothing goes with TK that wouldn't seem unoriginal.

He can't have pyrokinesis, because that would clash with his uniform.

[Seikun21]

Hellion can not have a secondery mutation because nothing goes with TK that wouldn't seem unoriginal.

He can't have pyrokinesis, because that would clash with his uniform.

He doesn't really need a secondary mutation anyways. He's really powerful and he's one of two telekinetic mutant heroes left on Earth. If anything I think he should get his fine control back. He should be able to do more than random force blasts. There are tons of tricks a telekinetic can do that he still needs to learn.

[rescura]

I find secondary mutations very fine and I'd like to see more coming...
I would like to see Sunfire with light-bendin powers (some kind of Dazzler-ish but in its own way... Like a sun....) and with the Horseman of Apocalypse (AoA) design...

[Flameworthy]

I find secondary mutations very fine and I'd like to see more coming...
I would like to see Sunfire with light-bendin powers (some kind of Dazzler-ish but in its own way... Like a sun....) and with the Horseman of Apocalypse (AoA) design...

I think Sunfire's powers are fine just the way they are, and that AoA design should be banned from comic books.

[AcesX1X]

I think Sunfire's powers are fine just the way they are, and that AoA design should be banned from comic books.

What? How come you don't like it?

[rwsmith]

I like some of them, such as Emma's diamond form and Beast's lion form. But I despise others, such as Angel's healing blood (which everyone seems to have forgotten about anyway). Not really sure why I accept some and hate others, I just do.

I do wish Wolverine's recent transition from healing factor to regeneration factor would be explained as a secondary mutation, though. And then I'd like to see some bad guy try and take him out by shooting him up with the remaining Cure sample that Beast has in his lab (from Whedon's first Astonishing arc). Temporarily he would lose all of his healing/regeneration abilities, but ultimately they would return at a much weaker level (more like it was in the 80's where it took days and sometimes even weeks to recover from very serious injuries).

That's something that I'd love to see personally.

[Flameworthy]

What? How come you don't like it?

1) It's not new
2) It's unnoriginal and a complete rip off of the Human Torch
3) Looks cheesy IMO

[frog]

I wish Beast hadn't mutated again. I understand it was done to advance the character. But seeing Beast next to Dark Beast last year reminded me that I liked the old look better. Not to mention, it's not fair seeing the bad guy look "normal" and the good guy even more mutated.



I think that it made sense to make our good Beast look more, well, beastly than the bad Beast. It really emphasizes the dichotomy between his friendly and intelligent personality and his appearance.

[Jeff-X]

I like Emma's diamond form, and Beast's cat form. My biggest problem with the way Beast used to look was the hair that stuck out like Wolverine's. It was stupid enough having one person have it, but two? Overkill on a bad idea. I prefer the feline look.

Archangel's blood healing thing didn't really feel like a huge stretch to me honestly, I'm just not sure I take it as a secondary mutation. When his original wings grew back under the damaged metal ones I was wondering if maybe he had some sort of slow regeration factor, at least one that would regrow his wings over time if he lost them. I think I got this from reading that at one point he tried cutting his wings off himself (in the comic, not the movie) but they grew back (pretty sure, could be wrong though)... It bothered me that his skin was still blue for no reason though.

So the healing blood suddenly popping up and getting rid of the blue skin was odd at first, but I remember an issue of Wolverine right after Wolverine's mind was freed from being Death that Warren started glowing yellow and gained the ability to heal, using it to heal the original War.

So he's had the power to heal pop up from nowhere before, doesn't seem too much of a stretch it was always there in his blood, maybe just a bit dorment at times.

I think Austen was setting up for a story in which he would have eventually revealed there was a group of Angel mutants which Warren and Ircarus belonged to, which was why their powers were so similar. Much like the demon mutants Nightcrawler belonged to. I think the ultimate goal was to suggest that biblical angels and demons were just ancient mutants.

The story where he got his real wings back ended questioning if Apocalypse was done with Warren, or if him getting his wings back was just the next step in his master plan. So at least in my own mind I'm crediting Warren's healing factor to Apocalypse in some way, for some future story that I obvoiusly know will never happen.


Iceman's organic ice form was retarded and I felt it insulted the intelligence of the readers. I say this because he could already turn his body completely into organic ice, Colossus' brother Mikhail taught him how to back in the early 90s.

Is that all of them? I can't think of anymore.

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman's organic ice form was retarded and I felt it insulted the intelligence of the readers. I say this because he could already turn his body completely into organic ice, Colossus' brother Mikhail taught him how to back in the early 90s.

That is incorrect. He did it years before. It was a single panel where Cyclops told him to refine his "ice crystals". Instead of giving him crystal clear clarity, it gave him and opaque appearance.

[Phil Hunn]

I like Emma's diamond form, and Beast's cat form. My biggest problem with the way Beast used to look was the hair that stuck out like Wolverine's. It was stupid enough having one person have it, but two? Overkill on a bad idea. I prefer the feline look.

Wolverine stole that hair from Beast, not the other way around.

[rescura]

I like some of them, such as Emma's diamond form and Beast's lion form. But I despise others, such as Angel's healing blood (which everyone seems to have forgotten about anyway). Not really sure why I accept some and hate others, I just do.

I do wish Wolverine's recent transition from healing factor to regeneration factor would be explained as a secondary mutation, though. And then I'd like to see some bad guy try and take him out by shooting him up with the remaining Cure sample that Beast has in his lab (from Whedon's first Astonishing arc). Temporarily he would lose all of his healing/regeneration abilities, but ultimately they would return at a much weaker level (more like it was in the 80's where it took days and sometimes even weeks to recover from very serious injuries).

That's something that I'd love to see personally.

Yeah man that would be a great thing to happen to Wolvie... I prefer it the way it were on that time, too...

1) It's not new
2) It's unnoriginal and a complete rip off of the Human Torch
3) Looks cheesy IMO

I agree that his powers are fine, but c'mon, the way it is... it's just to simple, and he will always be under the shadow of the Human Torch... Even Magma does more interesting stuff... I would like to see him evolve the same way Iceman did... He was the first fire-based mutie after-all...
And the costume is just cool, my favorite design of the whole AoA... How come someone can't like it ='(

[Flameworthy]

I agree that his powers are fine, but c'mon, the way it is... it's just to simple, and he will always be under the shadow of the Human Torch... Even Magma does more interesting stuff... I would like to see him evolve the same way Iceman did... He was the first fire-based mutie after-all...
And the costume is just cool, my favorite design of the whole AoA... How come someone can't like it ='(

He just looks like the Japanese version of the Human Torch with that look. Sunfire is nothing like him, so he doesn't need to run around looking like him. That AoA look is just so blah and unoriginal. I actually don't mind the the costume itself but when he's "flamed on" it just does nothing for me. I really want Sunfire to have a new costume, but something a little more original and not just cool for the sake of being cool. I would prefer to see him in an updated version of his iconic costume, minus the mask.

Oh, and Sunfire can do quite a lot with his powers as has been established. It's just that some writers are either lazy or don't care and just have him shooting fire from his hands.

[Dagger]

I love that Iceman's body is actually made out of ice and that he's so hard to kill like that. I like that he's so powerful.
Iceman turning completely to ice isnt' really a secondary mutation. Waaaay back in the 90's Scott Lobdell was hinting around that Bobby's full extent of his mutant powers were turning him completely to ice.

[Dagger]

I think Sunfire's powers are fine just the way they are, and that AoA design should be banned from comic books.
Here, here. Totally agree. I liked it when it was a part of the AoA, but they need to come up with a look that is really impressive than this throwback.