Sooo...what other role could you see Phyla playing in the Marvel Universe?

[Monty_Cristo]

i see all of this moaning about her replacing Wendell Vaughan. if she weren't Quasar, what would you have her do?

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. . . be exactly the same, but with a different name and slightly different powers?

I mean, she has her predecessor's name and powers, but the two characters fill very different niches within the MU.

[Monty_Cristo]

. . . be exactly the same, but with a different name and slightly different powers?

I mean, she has her predecessor's name and powers, but the two characters fill very different niches within the MU.

i have no idea what her powers are, to be honest.

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Right now? Quasar's (more or less).

Previously? Captain Marvel's (more or less).

When she traded up, she gained energy constructs but lost cosmic awareness. Going back to that wouldn't exactly be a death-blow for the character, especially now that her brother's dead and her father's return is what it is.

[stingerman]

Right now? Quasar's (more or less).

Previously? Captain Marvel's (more or less).

When she traded up, she gained energy constructs but lost cosmic awareness. Going back to that wouldn't exactly be a death-blow for the character, especially now that her brother's dead and her father's return is what it is.

Or as seen in the Nova Annual she could be a Nova.

Or how about just Phyla? She already had bands, already had some energy absorbing powers- just ditch the sword, this isn't Final Fantasy.

[DaeJi]

Or as seen in the Nova Annual she could be a Nova.

Or how about just Phyla? She already had bands, already had some energy absorbing powers- just ditch the sword, this isn't Final Fantasy.

The sword stays. But yeah, like ED says she'll pretty be the same character.

[stingerman]

The sword stays. But yeah, like ED says she'll pretty be the same character.

Yes, Daeji, but I wouldn't think Phyla would like to play with a sword, no? :biggrin:

[wallred]

. . . be exactly the same, but with a different name and slightly different powers?

I mean, she has her predecessor's name and powers, but the two characters fill very different niches within the MU.

Honestly, I think Marvel should separate her from the Quantum-Bands and have her try to live up to the legacy that she was created for (both in story and out)...Captain Marvel.
Part of the problem with Phyla is that she's so hard to relate to with her convoluted origin which makes her an artificially aged, temporal-hiccup-created alien clone that has lived most of her life in VR. The other cosmic characters at least have some touchstone to humanity that makes it easier to relate to them. Mar-Vell may have been an alien, but he was a soldier...something we can relate to. The sad thing is that her defining characteristic is that she is a lesbian. This should only be one of her many character traits, not the only one. Unfortunately, I don't think Conquest helped the character. The Quantum-Bands were required as a plot device, but nothing that Phyla did needed to be her character, which is a shame. Believe it or not, I actually feel a little sorry for Phyla fans because this was an opportunity squandered for their character.

[DaeJi]

Honestly, I think Marvel should separate her from the Quantum-Bands and have her try to live up to the legacy that she was created for (both in story and out)...Captain Marvel.
Part of the problem with Phyla is that she's so hard to relate to with her convoluted origin which makes her an artificially aged, temporal-hiccup-created alien clone that has lived most of her life in VR. The other cosmic characters at least have some touchstone to humanity that makes it easier to relate to them. Mar-Vell may have been an alien, but he was a soldier...something we can relate to. The sad thing is that her defining characteristic is that she is a lesbian. This should only be one of her many character traits, not the only one. Unfortunately, I don't think Conquest helped the character. The Quantum-Bands were required as a plot device, but nothing that Phyla did needed to be her character, which is a shame. Believe it or not, I actually feel a little sorry for Phyla fans because this was an opportunity squandered.

That's not her defining character trait, it's just the most obvious one. What makes Phyla is her desire to live up to these impossible to live up legacies, to be this great hero that she was clearly made and raised for. So few heroes today begin life expecting to be a hero, and I think that that's a great element about her character that should be explored more.

[kidpernicious]

My two cents... she already had one huge legacy to live up to, giving her Quasar on top of that was redundant. And honestly, even without the Quasar mantle she'd still be best suited with a simplification. She's going to end up Marvel's version of Supergirl, only less people will ultimately care about Phyla since her lifespan on the shelves is so much less. The backstory's horrendous, as mentioned, and makes for a rare example where I wouldn't mind a (major?) retcon. Also, I actually don't see her lesbianism being played as her main trait all that often. The one plus about how she's written, they don't really cram it down your throat. It's just there. Of course when Moondragon was with her, it was "there" a lot more significantly, but that's pretty much what you get with a couple that's on-panel together, gay or straight.

[wallred]

That's not her defining character trait, it's just the most obvious one. What makes Phyla is her desire to live up to these impossible to live up legacies, to be this great hero that she was clearly made and raised for. So few heroes today begin life expecting to be a hero, and I think that that's a great element about her character that should be explored more.

I think it's a great element, too, but one best explored under the auspices of a Captain Marvel book. Really, the Quasar "legacy" doesn't giver her anything that she needs as a character...it's all redundant. Changing her powers by having her find the legendary Power-Bands of Oooga Booga gives her the power set and simplifies her backstory a bit. I'd also ignore the temporal retcon thing. Really, if I was going to approach a book with her as the lead, legacy would have to play a huge part, but so would humanizing her. She's lived most of her life in VR, so she'd need someone to ground her to reality (no undos here) and probably help her relate to "normal" people. The clone stuff, I think I'd ignore...you could probably ignore the VR stuff, too, and just gloss it by saying she's been training all her life.
Something along the lines of "Child of a legendary hero, Phyla Vell struggles to honor the mantle and legacy of Captain Marvel as she protects Earth from alien invasion". This would tie her to the mission of her father and let her interact with humanity where her sexuality (do Kree have a concept of homosexuality) could be used to make points about society.

[DaeJi]

I like her off of Earth better and think she works better as a strictly cosmic hero. She has a lot of humanity and is very grounded as is. Her sexuality doesn't need to be a big thing about her, there are enough Earth-bound gay heroes. Not every character who isn't a white heterosexual male needs to make a point about society. I think just having her learn to be the hero she was raised to be with enough, and opens so many doors.

[Don Quixote]

Honestly, I think the name 'Quasar' fits a woman better than a man anyway. It just sounds feminine to me. So that's what Phyla should continue to be. Besides, I doubt either Abnett or Lanning plan on bringing Wendell Vaughn back, and they seem to have carte blanche on the Marvel Cosmic universe at the moment.

[reddog]

At this point I would actually like to see wendell evolve into something greater than the quasar mantle, to what I'm not quite sure maybe something closer to do with the starbrand or a more symbiotic relationship with quantum energy.

[Monty_Cristo]

At this point I would actually like to see wendell evolve into something greater than the quasar mantle, to what I'm not quite sure maybe something closer to do with the starbrand or a more symbiotic relationship with quantum energy.

i wish that New Universal stuff hadn't come back out. Wendell could have used one of those powersets. wait, scratch that. i'd rather just see Wendell come back and be a high-ranking SHIELD agent. maybe he's cut out for it now that he's spent so much time as a supercombatant. or as Quantum: Herald of Galactus.

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do the Kree have a leader? i thought the Supreme Intelligence was killed off somehow. if they don't, maybe Phylla could grow into the position of kree planetary potentate or something.

[DaeJi]

i wish that New Universal stuff hadn't come back out. Wendell could have used one of those powersets.

Wendell is connect heavily to the Starbrand though, and that could be used to a good effect.

[reddog]

I guess for me I really don't care about the quasar title but i do care about the wendel character a problem i found with the quantum powers is that they are not easy to explain and i always thought that actually hurt the characters marketability. Look Marvel has always been more of the Starwars scifi and not so much Star Trek. ( thats probably why they gave phyla a sword)

[wallred]

Wendell is connect heavily to the Starbrand though, and that could be used to a good effect.

Well, I don't mean to get all schoolyard here, but the Bands are Wendell's and have been for 30 years. Phyla should be the one to get a different powerset...of course, that's just my opinion. As for changing him somehow to accommodate Phyla, I really don't think that would be a good idea. I liked (for the most part, except that stupid death) how Wendell was presented in Annihilation: Nova and would very much like to see him presented that way again. That portrayal showed some logical growth for the character before he was sacrificed to the "event" gods.

[drwho]

I think Phyla would be cool be more like Star Lord. No real powers just a laser gun and have her ride around on Moon Dragon. Or hell just have her join the Space Knights and give her one of their armors.

[Dagger]

I kinda wish they would bring Wendell back with the power of the Star Brand. That'd be kinda awesome. Maybe make him the Star Brand of the 616?

[AntiChappy]

Don Quixote hit the nail on the head about the Quasar femininity thing. It does sound quite a bit like it is in the vein of Pulsar, Photon, and all that.

Let's be honest though, between the two of them, Phyla got the better design, got relatively decent treatment in the Conquest for the mantle, (when was Wendell not getting jobbed in big events?) and a nice logo-sword. Would she make a good Captain Marvel? Sure, but Genis coming back would be so much cooler than Wendell returning as Quasar.

[DaeJi]

Let's be honest though, between the two of them, Phyla got the better design, got relatively decent treatment in the Conquest for the mantle, (when was Wendell not getting jobbed in big events?) and a nice logo-sword. Would she make a good Captain Marvel? Sure, but Genis coming back would be so much cooler than Wendell returning as Quasar.

Yeah, Genis over Wendell any day.

[Mysterio's Helmet]

She could play the role of the new Captain Mar-Vell. She's the daughter for all intents and purposes. Kind of seems "more of the same" to keep her as Quasar. Plus I know there was this one character, used to be an Avenger, written badly alot over the years, probably wants his "mantle" :rolleyes: back.

As for the word Quasar sounding feminine.... that's just you.

If they wanted to...they really could make her a Red Sonja type with Nega Band energy weapons or something. She already likes swords so much and praising Pama. Seems to fit. Maybe she could froth at the mouth and go berserker on bad guys. Like in Erik the Viking.


In all seriousness, I thought one of Christos' angles with Phylla was that she would go berserk and would have to fight the rage. What says that has to be all Annihilus? Why not make her a little "berserkery"?


Starlord: Fall back!!!!!!!!! We're taking too many casualties!!!!!!!!!

Rocket Raccoon: I'm shooting but they ain't falling, dammit!

Phylla's tattoo on her face starts to glow. Starlord notices.

Starlord: Back off. Phylla's going Berserker!!!!

Phylla starts to shake and stare off in the distance. She guns it right into the army of Phalanx.

Phylla (yelling) LOUSY PHALANX! EAT!

Phylla slices one in half.

Phylla: (Continued) MY!

Flies back around to decapitate another.

Phylla (continued) SWOOOOOOOOOOORD!!!!!


She starts slicing and dicing Phalanx drones left and right whilst possessing "crazy eyes" ending with a slice upslit through the Phalanx Captain's crotch.

Rocket Raccoon: Two words, Phylla. De. Caf.



See....that works. Ok , I'm bored. :smile:

[Mysterio's Helmet]

Let's be honest though, between the two of them, Phyla got the better design, got relatively decent treatment in the Conquest for the mantle, (when was Wendell not getting jobbed in big events?) and a nice logo-sword. Would she make a good Captain Marvel? Sure, but Genis coming back would be so much cooler than Wendell returning as Quasar.

If we're being honest with each other then let's be honest about the fact that poor Wendell was brought about when? Oh right.....the 70's and the "upgrade" suits in the late 80's, early 90's. Phylla was brought out and designed when? Oh right...... that'd be this year. Or the last...whatever. Of course she got the better design. Lord, she better. I really would've loved to have seen Quasar (Vaughn) rock out with the Annihlation duds he got. IMO, a far better costume concept for him

But she isn't the better hero. Not by a long shot.

And I'm sorry but really....... Quasar (Vaughn) > Genis


(This last sentence-like statement is only my opinion. The rest is straight up truth.)

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

She's a tough chick, and it'd be nice to see her father loved her had he the chance, which now it's appearing he might get that chance to support her.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

She's a true warrior, no doubt lot of her genetic father in that one.... and it'd be nice to see her father who, legndary in his own right, who would have loved her had he the chance, which was robbed from both of them, but that's the past....now it's appearing he might get that chance to support her.


"Our" Marvel, no, "Mar-Vell family" would be a great book, one shot anything, and yes, Monica and Carol are invited, just my opinion.

[kidpernicious]

She's a true warrior, no doubt lot of her genetic father in that one.... and it'd be nice to see her father who, legndary in his own right, who would have loved her had he the chance, which was robbed from both of them, but that's the past....now it's appearing he might get that chance to support her.


"Our" Marvel, no, "Mar-Vell family" would be a great book, one shot anything, and yes, Monica and Carol are invited, just my opinion.

What chance? The returned Captain Marvel was a Skrull.

[freddy1428]

What chance? The returned Captain Marvel was a Skrull.

The returned Captain Marvel was a skrull, but now he is a kree, the skrull is jsut the clay, he was locked in the shape of Mar-vell with all his memories, his past skrull is no more, he is now a perfect clone.

[freddy1428]

Well, I don't mean to get all schoolyard here, but the Bands are Wendell's and have been for 30 years. Phyla should be the one to get a different powerset...of course, that's just my opinion. As for changing him somehow to accommodate Phyla, I really don't think that would be a good idea. I liked (for the most part, except that stupid death) how Wendell was presented in Annihilation: Nova and would very much like to see him presented that way again. That portrayal showed some logical growth for the character before he was sacrificed to the "event" gods.

Hello Wallred, I do a story about the return of Wendell, I hope you can leave me a comment, I don't finish the story but you can see lot of my idea.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=186475&page=27

I want Phyla stay with the quantum bands, because I think it's not very judicious to change all the recent works about the character, all cosmic characters change a lot recently, Phyla, Warlock, Thanos, Drax, eveybody have new potential story, these characters grow up, and I don't want any of them change to be like before, like I don't want that Phyla lost the band, we can to give new bands with mysterious past for Wendell (see my story) with a strong link with the quantum band and the nega-bands, what their the real symbol of the bands and other untlod story, I don't like the idea of the nega-band are simply copy of the nega-band I prefer most complex story, like a strange and mysterious link between them, but maybe it's just me and I don't want to talk for Wendell fans, but I really want the character grow-up like the others.

[AntiChappy]

If we're being honest with each other then let's be honest about the fact that poor Wendell was brought about when? Oh right.....the 70's and the "upgrade" suits in the late 80's, early 90's. Phylla was brought out and designed when? Oh right...... that'd be this year. Or the last...whatever. Of course she got the better design. Lord, she better. I really would've loved to have seen Quasar (Vaughn) rock out with the Annihlation duds he got. IMO, a far better costume concept for him

But she isn't the better hero. Not by a long shot.

Time doesn't really mean much when it comes do designs. Just last decade we had some truly awful ones emerge, whereas a lot of people, myself included, would love to see some seventies portrayals brought back with today's artwork. And I said she got treated better, I did not say she was a better hero. You can dig around and try to find me saying that directly if you want, but it's just not going to be there.

[mikekerr3]

She could play the role of the new Captain Mar-Vell. She's the daughter for all intents and purposes. Kind of seems "more of the same" to keep her as Quasar. Plus I know there was this one character, used to be an Avenger, written badly alot over the years, probably wants his "mantle" :rolleyes: back.

As for the word Quasar sounding feminine.... that's just you.

If they wanted to...they really could make her a Red Sonja type with Nega Band energy weapons or something. She already likes swords so much and praising Pama. Seems to fit. Maybe she could froth at the mouth and go berserker on bad guys. Like in Erik the Viking.


In all seriousness, I thought one of Christos' angles with Phylla was that she would go berserk and would have to fight the rage. What says that has to be all Annihilus? Why not make her a little "berserkery"?


Starlord: Fall back!!!!!!!!! We're taking too many casualties!!!!!!!!!

Rocket Raccoon: I'm shooting but they ain't falling, dammit!

Phylla's tattoo on her face starts to glow. Starlord notices.

Starlord: Back off. Phylla's going Berserker!!!!

Phylla starts to shake and stare off in the distance. She guns it right into the army of Phalanx.

Phylla (yelling) LOUSY PHALANX! EAT!

Phylla slices one in half.

Phylla: (Continued) MY!

Flies back around to decapitate another.

Phylla (continued) SWOOOOOOOOOOORD!!!!!


She starts slicing and dicing Phalanx drones left and right whilst possessing "crazy eyes" ending with a slice upslit through the Phalanx Captain's crotch.

Rocket Raccoon: Two words, Phylla. De. Caf.



See....that works. Ok , I'm bored. :smile:

I like that, you got Rocket perfectly

[Comet Man]

I say let Phyla somehow merge with Moondragon, and become the new Moondragon. What a great idea that is.:cool:

Get Wendell back as soon as possible, so he can be Quasar again. Maybe change his costume a little only because it's too similar to Captain Marvel's, and now CM is back. The design is good, maybe just change the color scheme.

Oh, and Quasar being a feminine name? Wha, where'd that come from? Pulsar, or Photon either. I'm trying to understand why they would sound feminine, and I'm just not getting anywhere.

If anything, Captain Marvel definitely sounds masculine, and I felt Monica never should have used it, neither should Phyla.

[kidpernicious]

The returned Captain Marvel was a skrull, but now he is a kree, the skrull is jsut the clay, he was locked in the shape of Mar-vell with all his memories, his past skrull is no more, he is now a perfect clone.

By that logic, hypothetically Ben Reilly and Mary Jane could have hooked up whenever and Mary Jane could just pretend it's Peter Parker and not drop a beat? I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with taking that position, but it's just not for me. Not to mention this faux-Captain Marvel is reflective of this reality, prior to having any kids, and thus is even further removed from any relevant connection to Phyla. If you throw these two together to develop a very tenuous father-daughter relationship that has no concrete basis for existing, you're just throwing together two tangled messes to add up into a bigger tangled mess. About as appealing to me as trying to mash together two hairballs your cat just hacked up. Grugh.

[Comet Man]

By that logic, hypothetically Ben Reilly and Mary Jane could have hooked up whenever and Mary Jane could just pretend it's Peter Parker and not drop a beat? I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with taking that position, but it's just not for me. Not to mention this faux-Captain Marvel is reflective of this reality, prior to having any kids, and thus is even further removed from any relevant connection to Phyla. If you throw these two together to develop a very tenuous father-daughter relationship that has no concrete basis for existing, you're just throwing together two tangled messes to add up into a bigger tangled mess. About as appealing to me as trying to mash together two hairballs your cat just hacked up. Grugh.

I disagree. I think it could be a very fun tangled mess.

I'm still hoping original Marv comes back, reclaiming his title, with this very heroic ex skrull continuing his mission of protecting Earth with a new costume and name. He and the original could become very close, like twins, then Phyla would have a brand new uncle. Then, if Genis comes back.....................what a weird family. I love it!

[freddy1428]

By that logic, hypothetically Ben Reilly and Mary Jane could have hooked up whenever and Mary Jane could just pretend it's Peter Parker and not drop a beat? I guess there's nothing inherently wrong with taking that position, but it's just not for me. Not to mention this faux-Captain Marvel is reflective of this reality, prior to having any kids, and thus is even further removed from any relevant connection to Phyla. If you throw these two together to develop a very tenuous father-daughter relationship that has no concrete basis for existing, you're just throwing together two tangled messes to add up into a bigger tangled mess. About as appealing to me as trying to mash together two hairballs your cat just hacked up. Grugh.

Sincerely I don't understand in your example the role of Mary Jane, the skrull can change his shape, not Mary Jane, the goal of the skrulls is not to make Mar-vell again and to make him an hero, but to make a real copy they can manipulate, the most perfect copy and to keep the memory of the skrull and Mar-vell, but they do one mistake and the skrull side is no more, he is more like Ben Reilly, Terrax have resurrected in an human body, it's not for that he is an human, lot of character have their body destroyed and have resurrected in clone body (Doom, Red skull, Xavier, Luthor etc...) that made them the real character, why not Mar-vell ?

[kidpernicious]

Sincerely I don't understand in your example the role of Mary Jane, the skrull can change his shape, not Mary Jane, the goal of the skrulls is not to make Mar-vell again and to make him an hero, but to make a real copy they can manipulate, the most perfect copy and to keep the memory of the skrull and Mar-vell, but they do one mistake and the skrull side is no more, he is more like Ben Reilly, Terrax have resurrected in an human body, it's not for that he is an human, lot of character have their body destroyed and have resurrected in clone body (Doom, Red skull, Xavier, Luthor etc...) that made them the real character, why not Mar-vell ?
[Edit/snip... was kinda being a jackass here.] ... no idea why you're comparing Mary Jane and the Skrull, that's a complete misunderstanding of the analogy. And if you actually bothered to read my comment with scrutiny, I do explicitly state that your position is fine. It's just not for me. A Skrull impostor given a limited span of the real Captain's memories (NOT his complete memories, but only up to a point well before he got cancer and died), without recollection of having kids (which is moot, because Phyla's not even the daughter of the 616 Cap [edit: I guess that's subjective - she's the genetically engineered daughter of Cap in the rebooted universe]), has simply no reason to develop a relationship with Phyla. In my opinion. And likely the same opinion as anyone who hated the idea of Ben Reilly. By your logic, since he was a perfect clone with Peter's memories, nobody should care if he became Spider-Man. But, surprise surprise, most people pretty much hated that idea.