Hulk #3 Spoilers

[ShaggyB]

As taken from Newsarama

Stark surveying the damage after the wreckage from the helicarrier....ross,sampson,and greymalkin are missing. Iron Man is then shown a video feed of the meeting ross,samson and banner had where banner said this new hulk could be a seperate version of his psyche out there but that the behaviors contradict anything he has ever done.

Banner say's if the new hulk is emitting gamma radiation than it was someone who previously was exposed to gamma radiation and has become an overcharged leaking battery.

Banner then has a few private words with Ross that are inaudible on video,Iron Man then screams officer hill to find out what was said. Meanwhile over gammabase Red Hulk tackles Abomb,abomb knocks red hulk back to where that robot soldier does the eye scan,abomb speaks of rick as a seperate personality that keeps him down. the robot scans red hulk's eye and is about to confirm the id when red hulk smashes it,they go at it again and a giant machine gun turret gun appears out of the sand and shoots red hulk,he grabs the gun and shoots it at abomb saying with a smile that he killed one abomination and that he wants to make it two.

Abomb falls down after the hail of bullets but is shown to have impervious skin,abomb then sneaks in an uppercut to red hulk. He then tells Red Hulk that nothing can hurt him. Red Hulk then smirks and say's he will enjoy finding a way. Red Hulk begins to pound him with both fists,all abomb can do is scratch him,and under the cuts isn't blood,it's that same color glow as his eyes. but he isn't bleeding,

Red Hulk then comments how he enjoyed killing the original abomination,driving his fist through the skull and the blood splattering everywhere,even saying that the punches he gave to the original had leveled the village and killed the people there.

meanwhile the punches red hulk was giving the new abomb were hitting him so hard that the shockwaves were causing earthquakes as high as a 10.0 on the seismic charts,causing chasm to go straight down to where bruce banner is being held underground. Banner is trying to escape before he is crushed and is told to stop,but he hulks out and breaks free. meanwhile red hulk and abomb are fighting still,and out of some warehouse a failsafe device is activated and 3"harpy's" yes the same one that betty became back in the day. they are giant sized,red hulk laughs at it. one of the harpies grabs him with it's adamantium talons,abomb is lifted in the air but destroy's the harpies since they were robots. Red Hulk say's that these are used to deal with banner because he is a green %^#* Red Hulk say's that he is his own monster and not banner and that nothing anyone can come up with will ever stop him. he has cuts allover his body and just smiling.

Then Green Hulk appears and tells Red Hulk,that hulk is not rick,hulk is hulk. Red Hulk turns to Banner Hulk and tells him "that he is going to love this"

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[drwho]

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[Samuraixsithlord]

So it doesn't reveal who the Red Hulk is this issue. It doesn't matter because we all know it's Geveral Ross

[ShaggyB]

Just so your aware the mods don't like copies of reviews from other boards. You are supposed to write your own review. Also if that is your own review mention it cus I always find it humorous when the first poster puts discuss when they havent written any of their opinions of the issue either.

well i could have paraphrased him but i prefer to share spoilers and give credit were it is due. either way, looks like the big reveal hasnt happened yet, meanwhile im still enjoying the way the story is going.

[Drdmx]

As taken from Newsarama



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I enjoyed this spoiler.... step by step occurrences with no additional opinions.

In any event, sounds like things are revving up pretty well. AND I love how ruthless the Red Hulk sounds. Think I'm going to enjoy him as a new antagonist to the Marvel Universe.

[Brian M.]

Glad I dropped it.

[CMBMOOL]

While this issue seems a bit better from last issue smackdown, there is a lot of good info that has been given to us in this issue:

Like the Harpy defense system to combat the Hulk and how the Red Hulk's ID was almost revealed, but my favorite part was the return of old green Skin, himself. :biggrin:

I also like Banner little theory of who the Red Hulk is, and it could explain Rick's transformation into A-bomb. :tongue:


I still think that Ross is the Red Hulk due to his connection with the original Abomination.

[drwho]

Wasnt much story here, but the art was great. Really makes you wonder how much involvement the writer has in deciding what appears in what panel. Who deserves the most credit for this the writer, or the artist? The dialogue wasnt as bad as previous issues. Still think abomb is a stupid idea.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Wasnt much story here, but the art was great. Really makes you wonder how much involvement the writer has in deciding what appears in what panel. Who deserves the most credit for this the writer, or the artist? The dialogue wasnt as bad as previous issues. Still think abomb is a stupid idea.

Like the majority of Loeb's work, the artist deserves the most credit.

[Leocomix]

Great artwork. With A-Bomb talking like the 70s Hulk, the Red Hulk being a more extreme 1990s Hulk and Green Hulk being well... I'm not sure which one he is, but with the Harpy here, Loeb knows his Hulk mythos

[XPac]

I'm actually a bit suprised that they set up green vs red so soon. This early in the game, I think Red basically has to win in order to keep him built up as a legit threat.

[Kutulu]

Wasnt much story here, but the art was great. Really makes you wonder how much involvement the writer has in deciding what appears in what panel. Who deserves the most credit for this the writer, or the artist? The dialogue wasnt as bad as previous issues. Still think abomb is a stupid idea.

Co-signed, the art in this issue is simply fantastic.

In reference to Red Hulk's punches, check the wiki article on force it takes to generate a 9.0 earthquake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

9.2 is 31.6 gigatons, so 9.0 is 15.8 gigatons of force! So Hulk punched A-Bomb with greater force than any nuclear bomb on Earth. For reference the largest nuclear bomb ever created was 50 megatons, Hulk's punch was 316 times more powerful than that... and was continuing to become even greater in magnitude. I like how Loeb clearly shows Hulk's strength continuing to spiral upwards. The writing in this isn't that bad.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

If it's ross, wouldn't it have a sweet sweet mustache?

[smoothjokes]

He's Doc Samson. They're doing this crap with the Betty-Birds and all this other crap to make you think it's General Ross, but the big thing is no mustache, and to make him would be stupid. They should have shaved his mustache for the book if it is him. Anyways, all my money is on Doc Samson and A-Bomb is a stupid idea, I'm only keeping up until #4 and done with this book. Loeb is just a god awful writer. He's lucky that these great artists are on his book because it keeps getting him work.

[Kutulu]

10.0 seismic on the Richter scale is rated at 1 teraton of force. In other words the equivilant of over 66,000 times the largest bomb ever made on Earth. Nice feat, comes close to classic Hulk's holding up 150 billion tons.

[dabig2]

Co-signed, the art in this issue is simply fantastic.

In reference to Red Hulk's punches, check the wiki article on force it takes to generate a 9.0 earthquake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

9.2 is 31.6 gigatons, so 9.0 is 15.8 gigatons of force! So Hulk punched A-Bomb with greater force than any nuclear bomb on Earth. For reference the largest nuclear bomb ever created was 50 megatons, Hulk's punch was 316 times more powerful than that... and was continuing to become even greater in magnitude. I like how Loeb clearly shows Hulk's strength continuing to spiral upwards. The writing in this isn't that bad.

Hell, actually the last reading was 10.0 on the page with Banner. That represents 1 tera-ton of equivalent TN. That means his punches at the time were putting out 20,000x more concussive energy than the largest nuclear bomb devised. Which is pretty insane and a hard to comprehend. And yeah, it sounded like he was just in the process of warming up. Even more impressive was Rick tanking them. Geez.....

And this Red Hulk really seems quite the villain. Good.

[Spider-Sense]

10.0 seismic on the Richter scale is rated at 1 teraton of force. In other words the equivilant of over 66,000 times the largest bomb ever made on Earth. Nice feat, comes close to classic Hulk's holding up 150 billion tons.

Thanks for the info,mate.Nice addition to Hulk's feats of strength:cool:

[QuietRiver]

Soooo Hulk is an idiot again? Man, I was hoping we'd see more of the Hulk that was in Planet Hulk and WWH.

Still, 'twas a good issue. I'm actually liking Rick as Abomination... though the name "A-Bomb" irks me some.

[Marcus_Maximus]

Soooo Hulk is an idiot again? Man, I was hoping we'd see more of the Hulk that was in Planet Hulk and WWH.
.

And I'm pissed off about that. Looks like I may be droppin another marvel comic. Since Peter David's run, I've been with the Hulk and now we're reverting back to the stupid Hulk of the 70's?...like BND in Spiderman?.

[Holdyourfireal]

Best thing about this issue? The return of the REAL Hulk! I'm talking about the child-like(don't call me savage) Hulk! Woo-Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This Hulk fan is happy that Marvel FINALLY made a good decision!!!!

The bad?....

#1. with a bullet....The Abomination is still dead.
2. A-Bomb
3. Doc Samson's short hair.
4. Rick's (from the cartoon) long hair.
5. The robot Harpies! A return of the real Harpy (I can hear the fan boys now..."who") would have been VERY welcome, since that's the reason that Betty can't die, but these robot Harpies were straight out of a bad issue of Shogun Warriors, Team America, or (gasp!)...US 1!!!!

[stingerman]

And I'm pissed off about that. Looks like I may be droppin another marvel comic. Since Peter David's run, I've been with the Hulk and now we're reverting back to the stupid Hulk of the 70's?...like BND in Spiderman?.

Well, I am hopin' that the Green Hulk gets a beat down which means Gladiator Hulk has to do the job.

I liked the issue. Not bad.

The eye scan at a military base was sort of revealing, eh? That was cool.

[Bulky Brent]

It seemed like a good issue it had quite a bit of action and a great show casing of Red Hulk's power. The only thing was that it didn't shed any light on who the red hulk is all we got was teasers aside from that a good issue.

[Leocomix]

It seemed like a good issue it had quite a bit of action and a great show casing of Red Hulk's power. The only thing was that it didn't shed any light on who the red hulk is all we got was teasers aside from that a good issue.

It has to be one of the three unaccounted for persons. They all have been exposed to gamma radiation.

[edhopper]

Well, at least it's better than Ultimates 3. :rolleyes:

[Marcus_Maximus]

Well, I am hopin' that the Green Hulk gets a beat down which means Gladiator Hulk has to do the job.

I liked the issue. Not bad.

The eye scan at a military base was sort of revealing, eh? That was cool.

That's what I'm hoping. The Hulk has evolved from his moronic days to be a very complex and deep character (Thanks to Peter David and Greg Pak, imo). I'd hate to see that ruined with a reversion back to his moron self.

Was even the orginal 60's gray Hulk as sophmoric as this green one?

[Marcus_Maximus]

Well, at least it's better than Ultimates 3. :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah. another stellar Loeb work. :rolleyes:

[Britannic]

Planet Hulk/WWH Hulk can't come back as he found his peace at the end of WWH. See the panel were he disolves in the explosion with his wife. As for who it is, well it can't be Ross as reasons explained with regards to last issue, it can't be quartermain as he was next to ross at the time so that only leaves Samson. But I thought Samsons current form was his gamma form? Red Hulk likes guns so it could be Frank Castle :smile:

Better issue than first 2 but still way to many splash pages. Harpies are a dumb as **** idea and if you know who arrives in issue 5 then you'll know it's going to be a 3 way slug fest. A-bomb can't fight, worse than the real Abomination.

[Jack Zodiac]

Glad I dropped it.

Ditto. Shame, too, 'cause I love some Ed McGuinness. He does big, bold superhero action, and he'd be perfect for Hulk-action, but sweet Lord, this story's made of molasses. Three issues in, twenty-two pages an issue, and I think at least ten of those sixty-six pages were near-dialogueless splash pages. Terrible decompression for a lackluster story following what could've been one of the greatest, most pivotal points in this character's history. What a misstep.

[akumasan]

I'm actually a bit suprised that they set up green vs red so soon. This early in the game, I think Red basically has to win in order to keep him built up as a legit threat.
Not really after what the red hulk was doing I think Green realized that it is better to take him out before he becomes a greater threat than he is now.

But I agree the action is great but for some odd reason it takes forever for the issues to arrive and it just all over the place. No build up at all regarding how the hell the red one even came about or even a hint. I guess "all will be revealed so stay tuned true believers!!" lol

Better issue than first 2 but still way to many splash pages. Harpies are a dumb as **** idea and if you know who arrives in issue 5 then you'll know it's going to be a 3 way slug fest. A-bomb can't fight, worse than the real Abomination.it is rick what do you expect. lol

[IronPalm]

Loved McGuinness' art here but...ummmm.

If you just read the script, a 5 year old could have written it.

To be totally honest I took this book in the crapper with me when I got back from the comics shop and I couldn't get anywhere near a full loaf pinched before finishing it.

That's just terrible.

[Slyfer]

Co-signed, the art in this issue is simply fantastic.

In reference to Red Hulk's punches, check the wiki article on force it takes to generate a 9.0 earthquake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

9.2 is 31.6 gigatons, so 9.0 is 15.8 gigatons of force! So Hulk punched A-Bomb with greater force than any nuclear bomb on Earth. For reference the largest nuclear bomb ever created was 50 megatons, Hulk's punch was 316 times more powerful than that... and was continuing to become even greater in magnitude. I like how Loeb clearly shows Hulk's strength continuing to spiral upwards. The writing in this isn't that bad.


Verily I was amazed :biggrin:

[Britannic]

LoL


I know what you mean it takes me about 3/4 minutes to read each issue cover to cover. That really is poor. Not enough time to drop one of in the porcelain bowl
:biggrin:

[Holdyourfireal]

Silver/Bronze Age fans REJOICE!!!! The return of OUR Hulk!!!!! You know, the one that Banner TRANSFORMS to in time of anger!!!!! All is right in the world! :)

[Dagger]

When exactly is the bronze age of comics? I'm a fan of most of the 80's work so I wonder if that would include me?

[edhopper]

When exactly is the bronze age of comics? I'm a fan of most of the 80's work so I wonder if that would include me?

Don't go there! Or start a thread about it and watch the fur fly. This is an ongoing debate in the comics community.
Loosely, it started somewhere between Conan #1 and Giant Size X-Men, and ended between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Image.

[Expletive Deleted]

When exactly is the bronze age of comics?Post-Silver, pre-Modern. In practice, it usually means the '70s and early-'80s, give or take a few years.

[Dagger]

Don't go there! Or start a thread about it and watch the fur fly. This is an ongoing debate in the comics community.
Loosely, it started somewhere between Conan #1 and Giant Size X-Men, and ended between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Image.
I didn't realize it was such a touchy subject. Comic fans can be soo passionate

[Drdmx]

A thought...

If Banner claims it's possible that this is a facet of his psyche, could this be the return of Devil Hulk?

His enjoyment with causing widescale death and destruction seem to match up. Judging by the personality, it also seems that elements of Grey may be included. Those two combined with the knowledge and skill of the supposed host would be pretty nasty.

It would kind of explain the return of a Savage Persona in Banner, and open the door for his worst fear, which would be unleashing an uncontrollable Hulk into the world. Thoughts? Wonder what kind of reception that would draw amongst the fans.

[Britannic]

Last time Banner and the Hulk were split they couldn't survive without each other. If this is a portion of one of Banners Hulk Personalities then as you say that may create a different outcome. If it is Such a thing it still depends on who the host is. The main clue we have is Spolier the that the person has been around gamma exposure before.

[Kutulu]

Verily I was amazed :biggrin:

Actually the last punch Red Hulk did was 10.0 seismic... which is one teraton of force. In other words the equivalent of one trillion tons of TNT energy. That's a pretty hefty punch... it shows how quickly Hulk's strength can rise. In just a second or two went from 8.0 to 10.0 which is a full 1000 times stronger than when he first attacked Abomination.

[Kutulu]

A thought...

If Banner claims it's possible that this is a facet of his psyche, could this be the return of Devil Hulk?

His enjoyment with causing widescale death and destruction seem to match up. Judging by the personality, it also seems that elements of Grey may be included. Those two combined with the knowledge and skill of the supposed host would be pretty nasty.

It would kind of explain the return of a Savage Persona in Banner, and open the door for his worst fear, which would be unleashing an uncontrollable Hulk into the world. Thoughts? Wonder what kind of reception that would draw amongst the fans.

So you're saying that the Devil Hulk portion of his psyche split off as a separate entity and found a new host? If that was the case... then the world would be in big danger.

[Dr. Chaos]

Anybody remember when The Abomination was the smart guy and The Hulk was the idiot?

The irony here is delicious.

[Marcus_Maximus]

Planet Hulk/WWH Hulk can't come back as he found his peace at the end of WWH. See the panel were he disolves in the explosion with his wife.

Could've used Peter David's many Hulks or could've been the beginnings of Maestro...not this idiot Hulk.

[Dr. Chaos]

Oh and fun issue.

Interesting use of the old Harpy rogue, I also liked the lil tease with The Hulk's identity confirmation.

I love what a bastard The Red Hulk is turning out to be, he's going to be a guilty pleasure.

[crimson red]

9.2 is 31.6 gigatons, so 9.0 is 15.8 gigatons of force! So Hulk punched A-Bomb with greater force than any nuclear bomb on Earth. For reference the largest nuclear bomb ever created was 50 megatons, Hulk's punch was 316 times more powerful than that... and was continuing to become even greater in magnitude. I like how Loeb clearly shows Hulk's strength continuing to spiral upwards. The writing in this isn't that bad.

So the new Abomination repeatedly takes 15.8 gigatons of punches and laughes it off...He must be tough.

[XPac]

For all the complaints about Loebs writing, I actually like this kind of Hulk book.

It's not shakesphere, and Planet Hulk blows it away. That said, it's a big fun book with looks of Huk smashing. I think Loeb has captured the heart of what makes a Hulk book fun.

It's a big smash fest, and that's kind of a welcome change in this darker more hyper realistic post CW world.

[Dr. Chaos]

For all the complaints about Loebs writing, I actually like this kind of Hulk book.

It's not shakesphere, and Planet Hulk blows it away. That said, it's a big fun book with looks of Huk smashing. I think Loeb has captured the heart of what makes a Hulk book fun.

It's a big smash fest, and that's kind of a welcome change in this darker more hyper realistic post CW world.
I guess thats the best way to sum it up for me, it's fun, it's got style and I'm enjoying the mystery aspect thats running it's course right now.

I don't look for the same thing in The Hulk stories as I would in Captain America and Spider-Man, right now, I'm getting exactly what I was hoping for at the minium from Loeb (except for the green hulk talking like an idiot again, I should have seen that coming from Loeb) and abit more.

Though I do believe The Red Hulk is going to become one of the more darker incarnations of The Hulk, especially if he gets his way.

[Will.S]

For all the complaints about Loebs writing, I actually like this kind of Hulk book.

It's not shakesphere, and Planet Hulk blows it away. That said, it's a big fun book with looks of Huk smashing. I think Loeb has captured the heart of what makes a Hulk book fun.

It's a big smash fest, and that's kind of a welcome change in this darker more hyper realistic post CW world.
Pretty much.

Last issue was pretty disappointing and had some awful dialogue but this issue is more in line with the quality of the first issue. Although I think Greg Pak took Hulk a more interesting direction, Jeph is going with the old Bill Mantlo/Lein Wein style of Hulk with dumb fun and great art.

I do think that the multiple pages of spreads hurt the book, I'd rather get more story but with Ed I don't think Loeb is going to bend that way. I just hope the book doesn't go downhill again because so far it hasn't been exactly instilling me with confidence with lame stuff like "A-Bomb" and "Oh the HUMANITY!". I also hope that the book won't be continuously late because as Ultimates and Mighty Avengers proves, that friggin kills all enthusiasm and momentum for a book.

Overall pretty decent issue: 7.5/10

[CyberCoyote]

The low panel counts of these issues makes ya wonder if they aren't writing it specifically for folks with IQs akin to A-Bomb or Green Hulk, but it's fun enough to keep my interest (not saying much for me, I know..)

With the Hulk movie coming out and Hercules in the other book for a while yet I can't imagine this'll stay the Red Hulk book.

As far as the earthquake stuff.. and the power of a million exploding nuclear weapons :) it's all pretty over the top. Other than the guys in this book and maybe Sentry no one can stand up to these new characters (A Bomb and RHulk) Well.. Thor's coming in soon.

RHulk's interesting enough, but he's waaaaayyy too powerful and'll have to be taken down a notch or have some great weakness that'll be exploited. And if he's Samson then I'd still rather have Len back, he's more interesting as himself than a dumb Green Hulk any day.

[jackolover]

Can someone tell me what happened in this book? I can't see jack. The Red Hulk fights. Banner whines in his cell. A-Bomb and Red have fight scenes. I couldn't even tell that was the downed Helicarrier in the two-page spread, because the colouring was all the same 'straw' hew. That would have been a great scene, but got lost in the glare of senset and fires.

Maybe it was because issue 3 didn't progress the mystery forward any, but just action doesn't do it for me. No reveals; Banner turns into Idiot Hulk, not Planet Hulk. Please. I don't know why I should keep buying this book.

[XPac]

The low panel counts of these issues makes ya wonder if they aren't writing it specifically for folks with IQs akin to A-Bomb or Green Hulk, but it's fun enough to keep my interest (not saying much for me, I know..)

With the Hulk movie coming out and Hercules in the other book for a while yet I can't imagine this'll stay the Red Hulk book.

As far as the earthquake stuff.. and the power of a million exploding nuclear weapons :) it's all pretty over the top. Other than the guys in this book and maybe Sentry no one can stand up to these new characters (A Bomb and RHulk) Well.. Thor's coming in soon.

RHulk's interesting enough, but he's waaaaayyy too powerful and'll have to be taken down a notch or have some great weakness that'll be exploited. And if he's Samson then I'd still rather have Len back, he's more interesting as himself than a dumb Green Hulk any day.

Loeb never stays on one thing for very long. He'll hop on board with a specific story to tell, then he'll finish it and go on to the next thing. He doesn't seem like an on-going series type of guy.

So I'm assuming do this Red Hulk story arc for however long that is, then a new writer will take over with the Green Hulk back in the drivers seat. Or at least that's what I'm assuming will happen.

It would be cool if Greg Pak were to get the Hulk book back down the line as he's really been THE Hulk writer in recent years.

[Dr. Chaos]

I don't have a quote but I believe I heard from a newsarama interview awhile back that Jeph and Ed plan to do atleast around twenty issues.

I might be completely wrong with what I'm remembering here but it seems like he'll be staying on for abit.

[XPac]

I don't have a quote but I believe I heard from a newsarama interview awhile back that Jeph and Ed plan to do atleast around twenty issues.

I might be completely wrong with what I'm remembering here but it seems like he'll be staying on for abit.

20 issues? Wow... at the rate they're spitting out issues now, they'll be on that book for the next 5 years.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I read this issue earlier today. It was pretty cool, I'll say. But I sped right through it.

But--I loved the ending. Definitely left me wanting the next issue.


PS:







GO GREEN! KICK HIS RED ASS! :tongue:

[XPac]

I wonder if they won't take the Green Lantern route and start having Hulks of various colors.

We've already got classic green. Now a red... maybe we'll get Yellow, Blue and Purple Hulk down the line too.

[IronKing]

Can't wait til next issue. That's gonna be the big one.

[DeadXMan]

That's what I'm hoping. The Hulk has evolved from his moronic days to be a very complex and deep character (Thanks to Peter David and Greg Pak, imo). I'd hate to see that ruined with a reversion back to his moron self.

Was even the orginal 60's gray Hulk as sophmoric as this green one?

no, Grey was more of a jerk.

[Robogeek28]

I absolutely loved the book....until that last page.

After 30 years of reading Hulk comics, dumb Hulk has always been the one I hated the most. Please bring back gladiator Hulk! *sigh*

[PatchMadripoor]

I absolutely loved the book....until that last page.

After 30 years of reading Hulk comics, dumb Hulk has always been the one I hated the most. Please bring back gladiator Hulk! *sigh*

Anyone have a scan of this final page?

I'm on vacation and I need my Hulk fix.

[Marcus_Maximus]

no, Grey was more of a jerk.


Well, bring HIM back if you're gonna really go retro. Don't use this dummy Hulk!

[abomin8ion]

anyone around really sure the green hulk is banner?

[CyberCoyote]

Keep it fresh, every time he changes it should be a random personality.

[BioHazard]

anyone around really sure the green hulk is banner?

Umm.. yeah. It's pretty explicit actually.

Hey, what if Red Hulk actually can (and does) kill the Green Hulk? They must have some sort of connection, psychic or otherwise. Or perhaps absorbs him right out of Banner's body? Would that be good or bad, as I'm not sure what Loeb can do to save this story at this point. It would almost certainly make for an interesting character provided it tempered Red's evil inclinations to some extent. Or perhaps Hulk could just become the ULTIMATE villain for a little while...:evilsmile: I guess i'm not sure I'm so comfortable with the idea of two separate and possibly independent Hulks. With Red and dumbass A-Bomb and we potentially have two new and completely unnecessary strength-based Hulk villains. Booooring.

[Britannic]

This kind of old style Hulk book is fun for a short while, it will quickly get really boring with the lack of character developmnet and story progression. Who want's to see constant fighting. The Hulk moved beyond this sometime ago. His core fan base with it. Enough with all the splash page already. This is like reading an Image book from the early 90's all style no substance.

I think Banner pushed dumb Hulk to the fore this time. Doesn't mean he'll be the dominant personna. With the infinite anger he can feed of he's really the only Hulk that could go up against this dumb ass red ****. WWH aside.

One other thing I noticed was the cover of Fantastic 4 the same month Hulk 5 is out. They got a Grey Professor Hulk on cover? Don't read the book so not sure if he's a future/alternative Hulk or a clue as to what might happen here.

[Drdmx]

They did something like that with a What If pertaining to the FF and Age of Apocalypse. Wolverine, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, and a Hulk who every time he changed from banner to Hulk it was a different version. Seemed ok...

[nanteen]

Still pissed to see the dumb hulk back.

What the past 2 years of hulk development tossed out the window.

Just frikin great.


I WANT THE GREEN KING DAMMIT

[Big Red Spider]

I've heard speculation about Ross and Samson, but what about Quartermain. Could he be the Red Hulk?

This new hulk sure knows a lot about Banner. He know Rick, he knows betty he even knows banner.

Whoever it is I just hope that there is a lot of dichotomy in the Red Hulk. Like maybe he's really dumb when a human and then really smart as a monster.

[JesseJay]

I wonder if all three(hulk, Rhulk, and A-bomb) are going to throw down, or if Bruce and Rick will team up? A-bomb doesn't seem very malevolent. So he could be an ally.

[Buddy Lee]

I wonder if they won't take the Green Lantern route and start having Hulks of various colors.

We've already got classic green. Now a red... maybe we'll get Yellow, Blue and Purple Hulk down the line too.

like yoshi! yay i like pop corn

[fred10]

Maybe it's going down Highlander-style.

Except, instead of swords, it's big pistols!

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

[alexr]

Atleast it's a decent series. I think I figured out who the red 'Hulk' is though. It's someone from Banner's past alright and his name is....

I'm not going to say.:smile:

[Drdmx]

anyone around really sure the green hulk is banner?

Curioser and curiouser.

I've actually began leaning this way.

[Spiffy]

anyone around really sure the green hulk is banner?
You mean other than the fact that we see Banner change into him? (well, his fist at least)

Nah!

I mean it could be a substitute fist, right? :biggrin:

[CyberCoyote]

Atleast it's a decent series. I think I figured out who the red 'Hulk' is though. It's someone from Banner's past alright and his name is....

I'm not going to say.:smile:

I know the winning powerball numbers but I'm not gonna play 'em :)

Go ahead, share your theory. No bragging rights if you don't say it first :biggrin:

[Dorsai]

I am enjoying the book so far but what made me interested in the Hulk again was Planet Hulk and the Green Scar personality. Pure rage and strength can be a fun read for a time but I really enjoyed a more mature Hulk than the child-like Hulk.

With the child-like personality, Hulk's mental involvement in his own story is somewhat limited. Being featured as more mature, it opens doors for more mature and complex stories with many more shades of gray.

A child-like Hulk is more impulsive and follows a pretty direct path which often leads to smashing or simply leaving. The mature Hulk has more choices.

I have always enjoyed the intelligent monstrosities over the forces of nature.

[IronPalm]

Oh and fun issue.

Interesting use of the old Harpy rogue, I also liked the lil tease with The Hulk's identity confirmation.

I love what a bastard The Red Hulk is turning out to be, he's going to be a guilty pleasure.

would a human and his "hulk" counterpart have the same retina?

[rZi]

Im undecided on this issue, the art is growing on me but i liked the whole murder mystery aspect which seems to have been abdandoned a little and i can't help but think this big reveal will be something lame like Doc Samson, which i hope it isn't as it would conflict with his apperance in T bolts

[Bulky Brent]

I'm really hoping ol greenskin doesn't get a beatdown next issue but the solicits make it seem likely that it will happen.

[Jack Tango]

Red Hulk has to be Samson; Loeb telegraphs these things in his stories, introducing the person behind everything in the first issue (usually the first few pages). Same thing with Batman: Hush, Batman: Dark Victory and Batman: The Long Halloween. Then comes the red herrings (colour-based terminology purposely chosen).

He's the simplest answer, and then Loeb makes you doubt it.

The only thing I'd like to know -- and this is based on other posts in this thread -- why is there such a thing as "Infinite Anger?" I mean, really, a person can only get so angry, even the Hulk. That's the only thing that annoyed me about his characterization. As if there were a higher level of rage than the insane rage he was already feeling in order to make himself stronger. Enh. Whatevs.

[HouseSolo]

Ya, it's either Samson, or again another aspect of Banner's psyche breaking apart. I know a lot of people were thinking it was Ross but I think this issue kind of shut the door on that idea.

[fanboyspodcast]

My money's on Doc Samson as well.

As a "never been a Hulk fan" I have to say I'm enjoying the three issues so far. It's OK that Hulk is going back to an action-smash paced book.

I'm pretty new to the CBR forums but man no matter which forum I'm in there's always a hefty division of posters 50% - we love it and 50% - glad I canceled this crap (anyone visit the Spider-Man board lately).

So, anyways, I like it.

G.

[XPac]

I was initially leaning towards Samson too after the first issue, but he wasn't been given a whole lot of play lately.

[Drdmx]

It's gotta be Samson. String together what we know.

This Hulk's voice seems to be recognizable. He wouldnt speak in front of Tony, only growl. Why I wonder? Rick recognized it when Red Hulk confronted him outside of Gamma Base, and responded with a snide remark, but freaked when he realized what was actually standing behind him. I just cant explain why Jenn wouldnt recognize Samsons voice since he apparently spoke to her off-panel.

His level of Intelligence - Genius level would be sufficient to wipe the boards clean on Hulk intel aboard the Shield Helicarrier. Also, theres the tactical way in which he was taking out his opponents. This would be an argument for any of the possibilities though, including Ross, Samson, and Quartermaine.


What's more interesting to me though is how he's mentally dissecting each of his opponents.. except Tony. He explained to Jenn that he could take her out anytime he wanted, which the last few times they've met, she's pretty much handeled him.

Then there were his remarks about Blonsky, and talking about how his own cowardice led to the destruction of all the people in that town, not this new Hulks rage, and how he was "His own Monster".

Also, when he confronted Rick. "I thought you were dead" means he must have been present @ the conclusion of WWH. "You know I dont like to be wrong" infers some insecurities with choices he's made in the past.

Finally, there's his apparent distain for Bruce Banner. He knew exactly why the Harpies would have Betty's face, and knew it would rock Banner mentally if he saw this. That's a key element in my book. But when he saw it was Jade Jaws behind him instead of Rick, he was all too happy. Think about it. Cho broke this down to Reed before. Bruce Banner is the culmination of all of Doc Samson's frustarations.

Process of Elimination - The visibility factor only allows it to be Samson pretty much. He apparently walked off from Ross, and then Red ambushes him? That could be just a convienent story for Ross, but then like, the next panel over Tony is ambushed by Red. No time for Ross to change and come from Tonys front side.


The only thing I cant nail is why this Hulk seems to like guns. It's the only thread that still clings to a Ross possibility for me. Oh, and I'm sure both Ross and Samson have access to Gamma Base.. so it would make sense that the robot would have the retina scan on file when he scanned the Red Hulk.

Outside of that, I dont think it's rage that triggers the change in this new Hulk. If it's an aspect of Banners psyche, and it is indeed Samson... Guilt seems to be the cause. I feel like he's almost rationalizing everything he does, or blaming someone else. If it's Samson, and guilt raises his strength as rage raises Greens, then it's no wonder this new hulk is so powerful. It'd be like Green coming into a match already pissed off to Onslaught level.

Just some random thoughts... .what do you guys think?

[abomin8ion]

better samson than ross.

but it cant be the whole thing.
if it s samson it must involve banner in some way.

my very first thought has been
the possibilty of the red hulk being able
to jump between every attender of wwh5
-with banner as angle.

but since also rick jones transforms into another giant size monster,
who else will..? maybe the green hulk was somebody else, too...

then i thought it s only banner and it s the red hulk
whos been split into his red concurrent.

but the truth is

i have no real idea, mate

[Drdmx]

Hmmm... last post on it.

Thoughts on Banners comments to Ross?

I'm thinking he may have been warning Ross that the new Hulk may have been birthed at the conclusion of WWH when he was taken down.

Hence the "Be careful" remark considering who was standing behind him, and the reason he may not have heard it.

[jackolover]

It's gotta be Samson. String together what we know.

This Hulk's voice seems to be recognizable. He wouldnt speak in front of Tony, only growl. Why I wonder? Rick recognized it when Red Hulk confronted him outside of Gamma Base, and responded with a snide remark, but freaked when he realized what was actually standing behind him. I just cant explain why Jenn wouldnt recognize Samsons voice since he apparently spoke to her off-panel.

His level of Intelligence - Genius level would be sufficient to wipe the boards clean on Hulk intel aboard the Shield Helicarrier. Also, theres the tactical way in which he was taking out his opponents. This would be an argument for any of the possibilities though, including Ross, Samson, and Quartermaine.


What's more interesting to me though is how he's mentally dissecting each of his opponents.. except Tony. He explained to Jenn that he could take her out anytime he wanted, which the last few times they've met, she's pretty much handeled him.

Then there were his remarks about Blonsky, and talking about how his own cowardice led to the destruction of all the people in that town, not this new Hulks rage, and how he was "His own Monster".

Also, when he confronted Rick. "I thought you were dead" means he must have been present @ the conclusion of WWH. "You know I dont like to be wrong" infers some insecurities with choices he's made in the past.

Finally, there's his apparent distain for Bruce Banner. He knew exactly why the Harpies would have Betty's face, and knew it would rock Banner mentally if he saw this. That's a key element in my book. But when he saw it was Jade Jaws behind him instead of Rick, he was all too happy. Think about it. Cho broke this down to Reed before. Bruce Banner is the culmination of all of Doc Samson's frustarations.

Process of Elimination - The visibility factor only allows it to be Samson pretty much. He apparently walked off from Ross, and then Red ambushes him? That could be just a convienent story for Ross, but then like, the next panel over Tony is ambushed by Red. No time for Ross to change and come from Tonys front side.


The only thing I cant nail is why this Hulk seems to like guns. It's the only thread that still clings to a Ross possibility for me. Oh, and I'm sure both Ross and Samson have access to Gamma Base.. so it would make sense that the robot would have the retina scan on file when he scanned the Red Hulk.

Outside of that, I dont think it's rage that triggers the change in this new Hulk. If it's an aspect of Banners psyche, and it is indeed Samson... Guilt seems to be the cause. I feel like he's almost rationalizing everything he does, or blaming someone else. If it's Samson, and guilt raises his strength as rage raises Greens, then it's no wonder this new hulk is so powerful. It'd be like Green coming into a match already pissed off to Onslaught level.

Just some random thoughts... .what do you guys think?

Two pints:

1. Red Hulk can't be Samson, because he is already his own Gamma incarnation already.

2. 'I thought you were dead'. Maybe the Red Hulk is Miek

[Drdmx]

Two pints:

1. Red Hulk can't be Samson, because he is already his own Gamma incarnation already.

2. 'I thought you were dead'. Maybe the Red Hulk is Miek


Point 1 would only support a Samson theory. It would explain why the monster is leaking Gamma Radiation.

Point 2 - Couldnt be Miek. When his dialogue is written, it's been in jagged text bubbles, which artists usually use to indicate an abnormal voice. Also, this was a voice that didnt surprise Rick at all apparently. He was calm and didnt feel threatened at all until he physically saw what was behind him. If it were Miek, I doubt he'd feel calm enough to make a smart arse comment and slowly turn around. Odds are, Rick would feel more threatened.

[Lombardo!]

has there been any reveal as to how Rick has become 'A-Bomb' ?

also, how come everyone stopped subscribing to the thought that it could be The Sentry - but The Void side of him - all physically messed up from the final battle of WWH?

[b_sinning]

What about someone from the Talbot family? One of them did become Grey and the family has enough of a history with Ross and the Hulk to know about the Betty Harpies and Hulks's friends. General John Ryker created the Gamma Corps and maybe the Red Hulk was created out of a similar project. What is the Leader's brother Madman doing now days?


Where is Marlo, Rick's wife too?

[Optic Power]

Ross and Samson seem to be the obvious choices, but I'm leaning towards Ross.

1) Both use guns

2) Wasnt it a miltary eye scan that was about to announce who it is? I dont think Samson's eyes would have worked.

3) In the last panal, Red Hulk seemed very happy to get a chance to fight Banner. And we all know Ross would love a chance to put the smackdown on Banner. I may be wrong, but I do not think Samson has a reason to be so excited to fight Banner.


There does not seem to be one clue so far that would 100% point to Samson and not Ross.

[rZi]

A few things on why i think it's not ross;

1) Ross has a moustache, normaly the hair banner has doesnt change with transofmation...i.e if he has a beard as human, he does as hulk.

2) Ross wears green army jeans, Red Hulks are black...Doc Samsons are black.

3) Chances are it's probably samson

[bringthenoise]

3) Chances are it's probably samson

That's the greatest logic ever. Or possibly the stupidest. I can't decide.

[Optic Power]

A few things on why i think it's not ross;

1) Ross has a moustache, normaly the hair banner has doesnt change with transofmation...i.e if he has a beard as human, he does as hulk.

2) Ross wears green army jeans, Red Hulks are black...Doc Samsons are black.

3) Chances are it's probably samson


What about the gun and eye scan? I have not seen one good argument made to explain how these are connected to Samson.

1)Loeb and McGuinness could probably be ignoring the whole hair thing

2)Same with 1

3)Chances are it's probably Ross. Samson already has powers. They already gave Rick powers, i think they most likely did the same for Ross.

[Britannic]

So if it's Ross, explain how in issue 2 the Red Imposter attacks then when Iron Man found him he was back in his army outfit, next he is the Red imposter again.
it has to be someone who has featured in the first 3 issues so the only person unaccounted for is Samson. As some ones state would also explain the gamma leaking from him. Red imposter is also wearing same coloured trousers as Samson.

One last point, Did you know this book is aimed at readers over 9yrs. explains the childlike levels of story telling.

[Archmage]

What about the gun and eye scan? I have not seen one good argument made to explain how these are connected to Samson.

1)Loeb and McGuinness could probably be ignoring the whole hair thing

2)Same with 1

3)Chances are it's probably Ross. Samson already has powers. They already gave Rick powers, i think they most likely did the same for Ross.

In issue #2, both Ross and Samson were retina-scanned to gain access to see Bruce Banner. Both Ross and Samson have their retina "prints" stored in the military installation.

[Optic Power]

So if it's Ross, explain how in issue 2 the Red Imposter attacks then when Iron Man found him he was back in his army outfit, next he is the Red imposter again.
it has to be someone who has featured in the first 3 issues so the only person unaccounted for is Samson. As some ones state would also explain the gamma leaking from him. Red imposter is also wearing same coloured trousers as Samson.

One last point, Did you know this book is aimed at readers over 9yrs. explains the childlike levels of story telling.

I just think that in trying to determine who he is, we can not go by things like clothes or facial hair. McGuinness could just be drawing him the way he wants. He may not even realize the color pants he has everyone wearing. Clues like the eye scan and the gun use seem to be put there by Loeb so we can determine it is Ross. Why would Samson suddenly start using a gun? Why would a military eye scan identify Samson? The pants color, I'm just gonna blame McGuinness for not paying attetion to detail.

Edit: Oh, forgot about that eye scan for Samson in issue 2. I'm still confused about the gun, but I could maybe go with Samson. I'm still leaning towards Ross.

[b_sinning]

If it was Ross it would explain why the Abomination was hunted down like he was. Who want to kill him more than Ross considering how Abomination poisoned Betty before?

[wolfblade]

Its samson hands dow, the green haird shrink has been having anger managment issues latley. like in thunderbolts, he kept having mental episodes of beating the crap out of people including saying samson smash. really he just probley mutated.

[tjarvis]

I'll be amused if its Clay Quartermain, only because he's been tossed out as a suspect and never followed up on after that. Afterall, Clay's signature color is red, and that would explain his military access and fondness for gun's and military strategy.

Ultimately though, I do think it's Sampson who turned into Red Hulk, which could actually dovetail nicely with T-Bolts. When a telepath tried to get into Samson's mind, they came across enough rage to nearly knock them on their butt. That could have been an allusion to the Red Hulk.

[Drdmx]

I'll be amused if its Clay Quartermain, only because he's been tossed out as a suspect and never followed up on after that. Afterall, Clay's signature color is red, and that would explain his military access and fondness for gun's and military strategy.

Ultimately though, I do think it's Sampson who turned into Red Hulk, which could actually dovetail nicely with T-Bolts. When a telepath tried to get into Samson's mind, they came across enough rage to nearly knock them on their butt. That could have been an allusion to the Red Hulk.

Nice. I wasnt aware Samson's been showing his face in the T-Bolts books.

Anywho.. it cant be Clay. In issue 2 when Rulk attacks I.M., its Clay who's calling out to Tony as the two are falling from the Helcarrier. He's standing in the hole created by the fight in the same panel with Iron Man and Rulk. So I'd say Clay is officially eliminated from the competition.

[Melchior6]

It's gotta be Samson.
The only thing I cant nail is why this Hulk seems to like guns. It's the only thread that still clings to a Ross possibility for me. Oh, and I'm sure both Ross and Samson have access to Gamma Base.. so it would make sense that the robot would have the retina scan on file when he scanned the Red Hulk.

Outside of that, I dont think it's rage that triggers the change in this new Hulk. If it's an aspect of Banners psyche, and it is indeed Samson... Guilt seems to be the cause. I feel like he's almost rationalizing everything he does, or blaming someone else. If it's Samson, and guilt raises his strength as rage raises Greens, then it's no wonder this new hulk is so powerful. It'd be like Green coming into a match already pissed off to Onslaught level.

Just some random thoughts... .what do you guys think?


Great points all. But I think the fascination with guns is significant and very unlike Samson. Also the familarity SHEILD protocols and the Helicarrier stands out in my mind...which makes me wonder where has Nick Fury been hiding out these past few months?

In case I think this new red hulk character is great. But if it was up to me, I wouldn't bring the green hulk in the picture until issue 12 or thereabouts. I would try to develop the red hulk more ..show off his abilities,leave more perplexing clues to deepen the mystery.

[Tobias Drake]

Great points all. But I think the fascination with guns is significant and very unlike Samson. Also the familarity SHEILD protocols and the Helicarrier stands out in my mind...which makes me wonder where has Nick Fury been hiding out these past few months?

Fury's been a bit busy these past few months to be Red!Hulk. And his motivations wouldn't really mesh.

Red!Hulk seems to have an interest in gamma mutations. First targeting Abomination, then She-Hulk, now RickJones!Abomination, and finally Banner!Hulk. He seems to be specifically targetting those affected by gamma radiation, and that in and of itself is probably a clue.

[Hiffic]

*SPOILER*


Any theories on...
why green hulk is now more like savage hulk?

I can't figure out these freaking colors.

[Drdmx]

I'd subscribe to the potential SI tie in with the locked up Banner being a skrull, if this Red Hulk wasnt bent on being a killer.

Since the Red Hulk is a killer though, and I'd assume Marvel wants to keep Bruce's slate somewhat clean when it comes to intentional death, I'll go out on a limb and assume it's an aspect of his psyche he's always kept repressed. Like I alluded to before, there's aspects of Devil and Gray in the Red Hulk.

That said, if the psyches are making their way into other hosts, then Savage Hulk may be all that Banner is left with to transform into.

[Drdmx]

Sorry.. when at work, all I've got to do is think of the ongoing storylines from my pull list.


Why do you think the Red Hulk destroyed the robot prior to it identifying him by name? Did he do it because he didnt want to be identified, or you think he, like oh-so-many other Hulk level threats hates his alter ego? Just a thought.

If it were Samson though, it reminds me of something Nick Fury said to him before... after Betty was near death and fighting for her life, which could be another reason indicator of his hate for Banner.

"So that's the way it goes huh Doc? After all this time trying to lift Banner up, he ends up pulling you down? Just smash whatever you dont like?"

Samson was trembling with anger about what Fury was doing. It wouldnt surprise me one bit if he's got alot of repressed emotion, as apparently being led into with the T-bolts. Of course that was PAD's work then I believe, as opposed to the current writer of the book. If it's Samson I'm kind of excited about the revamp, and becoming a contender in the Marvel community again.

[Tobias Drake]

But I think the fascination with guns is significant and very unlike Samson.

Perhaps he's compensating for something. :tongue:

[Cth]

So if it's Ross, explain how in issue 2 the Red Imposter attacks then when Iron Man found him he was back in his army outfit, next he is the Red imposter again.
it has to be someone who has featured in the first 3 issues so the only person unaccounted for is Samson. As some ones state would also explain the gamma leaking from him. Red imposter is also wearing same coloured trousers as Samson.

One last point, Did you know this book is aimed at readers over 9yrs. explains the childlike levels of story telling.

Simple.

There's a Skrull in the Hulk book, and his name is General Ross.

The REAL Ross is the Red Hulk.

After falling from the helicopter in WWH and having a very bloody Hulk land on top of him, he became exposed to abnormal amounts of gamma radiation from the furious Hulk.

The Skrulls took this as an opportunity to replace Ross, who has no family ties, endless resources, and a position of power where he can have orders given without being questioned. He can keep tabs on the Hulk for an eventual replacement.

[agrich]

I could actually feel myself getting stupider as I turned the pages of this comic.

The mystery, such as it is, was probably conceived to distract people from just how mindless this series really is.

I'm going to have to go read Planet Hulk to remind myself the Hulk used to be cool. Hard to believe it was only a year or so ago. Seems like forever.

Sorry to be so critical, but this is a godawful comic book. And as if the world really needed the mindless Hulk back again. (To say nothing of the mindless military: "We've got the Hulk in a perfect prison, as long as Banner doesn't think to hold his breath.")

Just terrible.

[Tobias Drake]

I could actually feel myself getting stupider as I turned the pages of this comic.

The mystery, such as it is, was probably conceived to distract people from just how mindless this series really is.

I'm going to have to go read Planet Hulk to remind myself the Hulk used to be cool. Hard to believe it was only a year or so ago. Seems like forever.

Sorry to be so critical, but this is a godawful comic book. And as if the world really needed the mindless Hulk back again. (To say nothing of the mindless military: "We've got the Hulk in a perfect prison, as long as Banner doesn't think to hold his breath.")

Just terrible.

Why is he even conscious? Would it not be infinitely more secure to keep Banner heavily sedated indefinitely?

[agrich]

Why is he even conscious? Would it not be infinitely more secure to keep Banner heavily sedated indefinitely?

Evidently so he can whisper things to Ross that the recording equipment in the cell is inadequate to pick up, since Stark's not really technologically adept or anything.

[wolfblade]

I for one dont really give a rats ass if he is savage again all this means is he is less likely to give quarter to his enemys which is always a good hulk trait...though I am going to miss gravage world war/planet hulk he was smart enough but was still just a savage and angry as this version he really is the perfect hulk all the anger and emotionaly fulled action with diologe that didnt make your IQ drop about 3 points....yea fudge savage hulk.

[Tobias Drake]

Losing WWH Hulk hurts. That was a damn good Hulk and I see no reason, characterwise, for him to have spontaneously reverted. It just doesn't make sense to me, and it hurts this issue and will probably devastate the next one.

[Badfish40oz]

So now, after AMAZING development on the Hulk character (and Hulk is my favorite character), we're going back to Savage Hulk? Why? Don't get wrong, I like Savage Hulk but why, when the WWH Hulk is still popular and well-liked, would they get rid of him? I was looking forward to the story where he re-adapts on Earth . .

But oh well.

What is going on at Marvel?

[Marcus_Maximus]

Looks like Marvel is retconning everything.

I hate the dumb Hulk too.

[Marcus_Maximus]

I could actually feel myself getting stupider as I turned the pages of this comic.

The mystery, such as it is, was probably conceived to distract people from just how mindless this series really is.

I'm going to have to go read Planet Hulk to remind myself the Hulk used to be cool. Hard to believe it was only a year or so ago. Seems like forever.

Sorry to be so critical, but this is a godawful comic book. And as if the world really needed the mindless Hulk back again. (To say nothing of the mindless military: "We've got the Hulk in a perfect prison, as long as Banner doesn't think to hold his breath.")

Just terrible.

YES! This is exactly how I felt!

[matthewaos]

Reading the spoiler make think that this book is not as bad as the say. In fact I think it's interesting, though I'm more interesting in seeing what Banner is doing after WWH, so sticking with Herc was not the correct choice (though the book is interesting). I have the feeling those books will cross each other in the future.

[Melchior6]

Simple.

There's a Skrull in the Hulk book, and his name is General Ross.

The REAL Ross is the Red Hulk.

After falling from the helicopter in WWH and having a very bloody Hulk land on top of him, he became exposed to abnormal amounts of gamma radiation from the furious Hulk.

The Skrulls took this as an opportunity to replace Ross, who has no family ties, endless resources, and a position of power where he can have orders given without being questioned. He can keep tabs on the Hulk for an eventual replacement.

In any case, he is someone with military experience who is used to using guns. His first inclination in taking out A-Bomb was by using a machine gun which of course didn't work.

[Evil Resident]

You guys seems to forget the new haircut Samson had recently, there's a reason for Samson to have a new haircut (since his power levels in related to his hair length like the biblical Samson) and I remember reading an interview about making a fuss about this too.

IMHO, He doesn't need to have long hair anymore, since he (somehow) got a new source of power, it does make perfect sense right? :)

The red Hulk is Samson, I'm %100 sure of it.

[Big Red Spider]

So now, after AMAZING development on the Hulk character (and Hulk is my favorite character), we're going back to Savage Hulk? Why?

Dumb hulk have movie

[wolfblade]

eh the movie hulk dosent even talk he is more animal than man.

[Robogeek28]

So now, after AMAZING development on the Hulk character (and Hulk is my favorite character), we're going back to Savage Hulk? Why? Don't get wrong, I like Savage Hulk but why, when the WWH Hulk is still popular and well-liked, would they get rid of him? I was looking forward to the story where he re-adapts on Earth . .

But oh well.

What is going on at Marvel?

I've been thinking about this myself and can only come up with one theory. Remember at the end of WWH when Hulk allowed himself to be hit by the beam? Well in his mind he hears Caiera saying she'll never leave him, and then he tells her he'll never leave her either.

My guess is that he allowed himself to die, which of course meaning Banner's being a MPD, allowed Savage Hulk to return.

[dabig2]

I've been thinking about this myself and can only come up with one theory. Remember at the end of WWH when Hulk allowed himself to be hit by the beam? Well in his mind he hears Caiera saying she'll never leave him, and then he tells her he'll never leave her either.

My guess is that he allowed himself to die, which of course meaning Banner's being a MPD, allowed Savage Hulk to return.

Exactly what happened. I've maintained that the Hulk allowed himself to be beat at the end there with him just basically "giving up". It seemed very similar to Banner's mind suicide prior to the Crossroads saga. So the Gravage/WWH personality more or less died at the end of WWH, leaving Banner catatonic there at the end. Bruce wakes up sometime afterwards, but this time it's just him and the savage personality.

Well, he had a good run. I just fear that this is a return to the late 90s/early 2000s of pulling Hulk personalities out of the hat to fit whatever the story calls for. One issue he's savage but the next he's more gravage and then the next he's back to savage or maybe he goes Professor.....that just makes continuity really iffy.

[agrich]

We've got the stupid Hulk because that's the one Loeb wants to write (using that term loosely). As soon as he and McGuinness lose interest in this train wreck, the next writer, which we can only hope will be Greg Pak, will use whichever version of the Hulk he wants -- and it almost certainly won't be this one.

[Edged Out]

Just read this issue and I like it. I was hoping the focus wouldn't turn to Banner, but it looks like it is. The red Hulk will probably turn out to be another defeated enemy.

[Venom Melendez]

Why are we assuming that He's back to being savage hulk? PH Hulk spoke in third person occasionally too.

[Venom Melendez]

Just read this issue and I like it. I was hoping the focus wouldn't turn to Banner, but it looks like it is. The red Hulk will probably turn out to be another defeated enemy.


Well the Red Hulk is a bad guy so of course Banner was gonna try and stop him.

[Edged Out]

Well the Red Hulk is a bad guy so of course Banner was gonna try and stop him.
Yeah. I just didn't expect Banner so quickly I guess.

[Tobias Drake]

Just read this issue and I like it. I was hoping the focus wouldn't turn to Banner, but it looks like it is. The red Hulk will probably turn out to be another defeated enemy.

Judging by solicits, Red Hulk continues to be the focus after this fight. He's going up against Thor next.

[JesseJay]

Red Hulk fighting Hulk, then going after Thor? seems like he as a death wish......

[Venom Melendez]

Judging by solicits, Red Hulk continues to be the focus after this fight. He's going up against Thor next.


Actually, Thor is going to interfere in their fight. So basically it becomes a 3-way(or Green Hulk and Thor vs. Red) But banner is still there.

[Zomling]

I've only just read issue 3 as I get it mail orer and it's only just arrived.

Overall I was quite pleased with the issue, but it seemed a little rushed and there didn't seem to be as much story as in some issues (Incredible Herc, for example). Maybe they spent too much time on big panels reducing the amount of space available for actually telling a story.

It seems a shame that they have once again dumbed the Hulk down, but I'll stick with it because I still enjoy the story and I want to know who the Red Hulk is.

Not sure I'm particularly impressed with A-Bomb as a character, he speaks in exactly the same way as the Savage Hulk, so not much room for character development there. At least with Blonsky's Abomination he had a different personality to the Hulk and even though he was weaker made for an excellent villain. A-Bomb just seems to be a semi indestructible foe with no depth.

I quite like the vindictiveness of the Red Hulk, he seems to revel in his monstrosity and enjoys the mayhem he brings. He also seems to have a penchant for weapons, maybe that is a possible clue to his identity.

[Bulky Brent]

I quite like the vindictiveness of the Red Hulk, he seems to revel in his monstrosity and enjoys the mayhem he brings. He also seems to have a penchant for weapons, maybe that is a possible clue to his identity.

Which was probably something to throw us off make us think it's General Ross but It will probably most likely be someone we don't know or someone we least expect.

[Venom Melendez]

I've only just read issue 3 as I get it mail orer and it's only just arrived.

Overall I was quite pleased with the issue, but it seemed a little rushed and there didn't seem to be as much story as in some issues (Incredible Herc, for example). Maybe they spent too much time on big panels reducing the amount of space available for actually telling a story.

It seems a shame that they have once again dumbed the Hulk down, but I'll stick with it because I still enjoy the story and I want to know who the Red Hulk is.

Not sure I'm particularly impressed with A-Bomb as a character, he speaks in exactly the same way as the Savage Hulk, so not much room for character development there. At least with Blonsky's Abomination he had a different personality to the Hulk and even though he was weaker made for an excellent villain. A-Bomb just seems to be a semi indestructible foe with no depth.

I quite like the vindictiveness of the Red Hulk, he seems to revel in his monstrosity and enjoys the mayhem he brings. He also seems to have a penchant for weapons, maybe that is a possible clue to his identity.


Again, What makes you Think hulk has been dumbed down? Even PH Hulk talked in third person on occasion.

I'm not doubting that Loeb would turn him savage again but it's to soon to tell.

[Archmage]

Again, What makes you Think hulk has been dumbed down? Even PH Hulk talked in third person on occasion.

I'm not doubting that Loeb would turn him savage again but it's to soon to tell.

In every instance where PH talked in third person, he had spoken in whole sentences prior to speak like a child. Every time, he made fun of himself by speaking in third person to emphasize a point. Here, I don't see any evidence that this hulk is trying to emphasize a point like "Hulk smash".

[Venom Melendez]

In every instance where PH talked in third person, he had spoken in whole sentences prior to speak like a child. Every time, he made fun of himself by speaking in third person to emphasize a point. Here, I don't see any evidence that this hulk is trying to emphasize a point like "Hulk smash".


Still, just because he said ''Hulk isn't Rick, Hulk is Hulk'' doesn't mean he's back to being dumb.

[Drdmx]

There's no sense in arguing it. Just wait until it's proven either way. Why care whether people believe it's Savage Hulk or not?

[jackolover]

Has it been revealed whether this series is before or after the Secret Invasion? Has Jeph Loeb made any comments one way or another?

[Zomling]

Which was probably something to throw us off make us think it's General Ross but It will probably most likely be someone we don't know or someone we least expect.

I agree, I'm tending to think that Loeb is throwing in a lot of red herrings. Other than the gamma traces, my personal guess is that the Red Hulk could be Clay Quartermain. I originally thought Samson, but he doesn't use guns, then again Loeb does tend to ignore things like character, history etc to write his stories, so I guess we'll never know until issue 6.

[Zomling]

Again, What makes you Think hulk has been dumbed down? Even PH Hulk talked in third person on occasion.

I'm not doubting that Loeb would turn him savage again but it's to soon to tell.

The dialogue, if you can call it that. It's a bit of a giveaway.

[agrich]

I'm kind of embarrassed that it only just occurred to me, but maybe the Hulk we see on the last page of Hulk #3 isn't the Banner Hulk at all. Maybe it's just a construct, same as the Harpies we see earlier in the issue.

[Zomling]

It's possible. However, I think the Green Hulk is the real deal, assuming it's not a Skrull imposter (let's not go there at all), given that the battle between Red Hulk and A-Bomb took place over Gamma Base and caused a rift which freed Banner.

[Venom Melendez]

The dialogue, if you can call it that. It's a bit of a giveaway.

Again, the talking in third person doesn't really prove anything. Granted, i don't dount him ignoring all the development the Hulk has had for the last few year but still it's too soon to tell.

Lets wait and see, either way the red vs Green fight should be good.

[Zomling]

Again, the talking in third person doesn't really prove anything. Granted, i don't dount him ignoring all the development the Hulk has had for the last few year but still it's too soon to tell.

Lets wait and see, either way the red vs Green fight should be good.

Yes, I'm not saying I don't enjoy the story, but I'm just a bit concerned that Loeb will ignore all of the good work that has been done by Pak et al recently. I many respects, even though I didn't like that last half of his run, Bruce Jones had a better take on the Hulk, because he mostly didn't talk at all. A non talking Hulk for me is preferable to the stereotypical "Hulk Smash" Hulk.

As a character the Gravage Hulk is by far and away my favourite as there has actually been some development in the character. The trouble with Hulk as a character is almost every time the creative team changes they revert back to the Savage Hulk before doing anythng new with the character. The major exceptions to this being Peter David's run and Joe Casey's run.

[rottentoons]

Hi. I'm new.

It can't be Quartermain, because:
1. he was seen shouting down to Stark as he was getting his butt handed to him by "Rulk".
2. that would be stupid.

The retina scan DID prove that it's someone in the system...but the defense system stated that whoever it is was "unauthorized". Samson and Ross are authorized personnel.

Samson DID start that fight in issue 1...he lost his temper a little too easy, but i guess that's trivial.

Does this all stem from Hulk's "meltdown" at the end of WWH? who was close enough to soak up radiation?

It's GOT to be someone in the inner circle, because Rick knew them, AND was not surprised that they were walking freely about the Gamma base(Banner is under lock and key)...but if it's inner circle, why didn't She-hulk recognize the voice? Tony Stark would have, apparently...

man, do I ever need a hobby...

[Kutulu]

Yes, I'm not saying I don't enjoy the story, but I'm just a bit concerned that Loeb will ignore all of the good work that has been done by Pak et al recently. I many respects, even though I didn't like that last half of his run, Bruce Jones had a better take on the Hulk, because he mostly didn't talk at all. A non talking Hulk for me is preferable to the stereotypical "Hulk Smash" Hulk.

As a character the Gravage Hulk is by far and away my favourite as there has actually been some development in the character. The trouble with Hulk as a character is almost every time the creative team changes they revert back to the Savage Hulk before doing anythng new with the character. The major exceptions to this being Peter David's run and Joe Casey's run.

In some cases though, the Hulk has gone back to his old savage Hulk form after getting re-exposed to severe radiation or experiencing a traumatic physical event. For example look at the Fantastic Four leading up to Planet Hulk - Hulk was in his green form, intelligent and talking like normal, then when he got hit with the gamma bomb he went nuts and started acting like Savage Hulk again (his skin even changed from green to grey).

Finally the Thing got him past his haze of delusions. When you look at WWH, at the end when Hulk basically "let's go" of his Planet Hulk personality (it shows "gladiator Hulk" fade away in the red flash of light) to be with Caeira, perhaps that event took away the personality of Planet Hulk and left the savage beast Hulk to come out next time he transformed. Note also the colors used in WWH # 5 - very suspicious that this was a clue as far as Red Hulk goes.

So it's entirely feasible that Bruce let go of that part of his personality to fade away and be at peace with Caeira, leaving behind the savage Hulk. That's just my opinion.

[Zomling]

When did this event occur in FF, I don't recall seeing it. The last time I remember Hulk being nuked was way back when he fought Thor in PADs tenure.

I like your theory about the letting go of the Gravage personality, does that mean that you think Red=Gravage? If so, who do you think the host is?

[amazoniansrule]

Im curious to know what this Red Hulk will be able to do compared to what Ole Greenskin has done.

[Kutulu]

When did this event occur in FF, I don't recall seeing it. The last time I remember Hulk being nuked was way back when he fought Thor in PADs tenure.

I like your theory about the letting go of the Gravage personality, does that mean that you think Red=Gravage? If so, who do you think the host is?

It was in Fantastic Four #'s 533 - 535. Grimm even says at the end, in response to Torch asking if he told Reed what happened: "Then I made a little joke, and said maybe the only way to really protect the world from the Hulk if he ever goes really nuts is ta stick him in a rocket and shoot him out into space -- let him be somebody else's problem."

I guess nobody will know for certain until issue 6, where the full details will be let known about the Red Hulk. Until then I'm just enjoying the artwork, but my money is still on Doc Sampson.

[Frank]

This book is great! Especially last issue.

First, I cannot believe it's been done by the same guy that did Ultimate 3.

Second, I love the intrigue about the red Hulk(Hopefully we're gonna get other irradiated freaks in the futur). A clue would be that when Hulk was beat or "neutralized" at the end of WWH, Iron Man used particularly red rays of sort. And here we see a red monster. Maybe there's a link.

[Frank]

I am enjoying the book so far but what made me interested in the Hulk again was Planet Hulk and the Green Scar personality. Pure rage and strength can be a fun read for a time but I really enjoyed a more mature Hulk than the child-like Hulk.

With the child-like personality, Hulk's mental involvement in his own story is somewhat limited. Being featured as more mature, it opens doors for more mature and complex stories with many more shades of gray.

A child-like Hulk is more impulsive and follows a pretty direct path which often leads to smashing or simply leaving. The mature Hulk has more choices.

I have always enjoyed the intelligent monstrosities over the forces of nature.

The last time we've had the old stupid Hulk was in the 80s before even PAD took over. Can you imagine how long this had been with whatever gray Hulk, Professor Hulk, Maestro futur Hulk, then Banner controling Hulk to God-King half intelligent/half Brute Hulk of another planet. EVen in the movie he was some sort of mute creature. It will actually be refreshing to have the dumb Hulk back. For many it's always been the one true Hulk that kids can look up to. The Hulk that had the greatest fights.

Of course it's not the 80s anymore and as such I think Loeb and McGuiness will have to do different things to keep people interested even if he's a dumb Hulk. So far it's been pretty interesting, having the air of mystery around the red Hulk. It's been good writing with plenty of action it's hard to do better than what has been happening so far.

[matthewaos]

I read the issue today and I really don't' like the art. Story was OK, nothing special.

[Frank]

I read the issue today and I really don't' like the art. Story was OK, nothing special.

you have got to be kidding me

[Marcus_Maximus]

I read the issue today and I really don't' like the art. Story was OK, nothing special.


I agree completely.

[Hank Parlor]

Say what you will about the quality of the book, but it IS generating discussion. I'm finding myself captivated by the Red Hulk mystery, for one.

My vote? Red Hulk=The Original Abomination. Blonsky faked his death and somehow became our new crimson friend. What with the Hulk movie coming out this summer, I can't see them killing the Abomination for no reason. Wouldn't you think he'd have an even bigger role in the book?

[Lunal]

I keep wondering what Red Hulk's goal is and what he is accomplishing by rampaging around everywhere. He's very directed. But to what purpose?

[Zomling]

Say what you will about the quality of the book, but it IS generating discussion. I'm finding myself captivated by the Red Hulk mystery, for one.

My vote? Red Hulk=The Original Abomination. Blonsky faked his death and somehow became our new crimson friend. What with the Hulk movie coming out this summer, I can't see them killing the Abomination for no reason. Wouldn't you think he'd have an even bigger role in the book?

I like your theory, I much prefer the idea of Red Hulk being Blonsky rather than Samson.

[stormkid]

You may be on to something! BTW what is taking so long for issue 4 to ship?

[Venom Melendez]

Say what you will about the quality of the book, but it IS generating discussion. I'm finding myself captivated by the Red Hulk mystery, for one.

My vote? Red Hulk=The Original Abomination. Blonsky faked his death and somehow became our new crimson friend. What with the Hulk movie coming out this summer, I can't see them killing the Abomination for no reason. Wouldn't you think he'd have an even bigger role in the book?


Then who the hell was the corps?

Also he's someone who works at the Gamma base and i'm pretty sure Blonsky doesn't currently work at the base .

[Drdmx]

Blonsky's a spy. If he now has the ability to shift back to human form, it's not hard to believe he'd be able to infiltrate Gamma Base, just unlikely.

Here's the piece of the puzzle that wouldn't fit with Hank's theory. I've mentioned this before, and it bears explaining.

Jones' apparently not feeling threatened by Red Hulk until he physically sees him.

Red Hulk speaks, Jones makes a smart arse comment without turning around. This implies recognition on Jones' part, of the voice that was speaking to him.

If that were Blonsky, I doubt Jones would be all "ho-hum" with a response, and might at least feel threatened. Especially in light that A-Bomb knew of the original Abominations demise. It stands to reason that Rick is aware also, which would freak him out even more if he recognized the voice was Blonsky.

This takes you back to Samson, who fits at least most of the criteria, except his use of weapons, AND wouldnt come off as threatening to Jones.

[rottentoons]

Then who the hell was the corps?

Also he's someone who works at the Gamma base and i'm pretty sure Blonsky doesn't currently work at the base .

The retina scan I.D.'d Red Hulk, but the automatic response was a violent defense. Red Hulk, whoever he is, was "unauthorized" personnel. I like the idea that the Red Hulk is the real hulk, but he can't be. He's obviously not banner. Samson would be too easy, Ross is impossible, Quartermain is just silly. WHY DIDN'T HE TALK TO STARK????? Stark would have known his voice, and Rick Jones knew his voice! And She-Hulk didnt recognize his voice. Interesting...

[Venom Melendez]

The retina scan I.D.'d Red Hulk, but the automatic response was a violent defense. Red Hulk, whoever he is, was "unauthorized" personnel. I like the idea that the Red Hulk is the real hulk, but he can't be. He's obviously not banner. Samson would be too easy, Ross is impossible, Quartermain is just silly. WHY DIDN'T HE TALK TO STARK????? Stark would have known his voice, and Rick Jones knew his voice! And She-Hulk didnt recognize his voice. Interesting...


The violent defence was because Red and A-Bomb where wrecking the place at first the security droid said ''Subjec confirmed as---'' then got destroyed by Red Hulk so it would't reveal his I.D.

Pretty sure Blonsky never worked there and it's pretty clear that Red Hulk is someone who has entry to the place.

Blonsky's a spy

Former Spy. he hasn't done spy work in years and everyone on the base knows who he is so he couldn't get in anyway since they have files on all the Gamma guys.

[Drdmx]

Former spy has no bearing on the discussion.. regardless of when he last did it, the fact is he did. With Marvel and continuity, timelines for the most part dont have an impact on any one characters memory. More often than not it's brain tampering or memory implants.

Given that Blonsky couldnt turn back and forth between his human and Hulk-like form, odds are no one would recognize him if he was just Emil Blonsky. It's not likely that everyone on Gamma Base has an alert of him. Way back when Betty died, Banner just died his hair and posed as a custodian to infiltrate the base. He was able to act freely and conduct experiments to deduce who killed his wife.

In any event, the discussion is moot, cause in the end, I'm not of the mentality it's Blonsky.

[rottentoons]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Blonsky idea, plus I don't want the abomination to be dead. But Would Stark have known Blonsky's voice? Would Rick have known Blonsky's voice that well? And who is the abomi-corpse in SHIELD's morgue?

[Venom Melendez]

Former spy has no bearing on the discussion.. regardless of when he last did it, the fact is he did. With Marvel and continuity, timelines for the most part dont have an impact on any one characters memory. More often than not it's brain tampering or memory implants.

Given that Blonsky couldnt turn back and forth between his human and Hulk-like form, odds are no one would recognize him if he was just Emil Blonsky. It's not likely that everyone on Gamma Base has an alert of him. Way back when Betty died, Banner just died his hair and posed as a custodian to infiltrate the base. He was able to act freely and conduct experiments to deduce who killed his wife.

In any event, the discussion is moot, cause in the end, I'm not of the mentality it's Blonsky.


Fair enough.

Though i'd expect that if the have files on the guy they also have his picture.

[Venom Melendez]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Blonsky idea, plus I don't want the abomination to be dead. But Would Stark have known Blonsky's voice? Would Rick have known Blonsky's voice that well? And who is the abomi-corpse in SHIELD's morgue?


Rick probably would but i'd doubt he'd react calmly as he did if it was him.

[rottentoons]

Plus, we've got Red Hulk's agenda...if it's a familiar face in the Hulk's universe, and you suddenly find yourself with an ungodly amount of power...you're virtually unstoppable...why do you care about secrecy, wiping out files, and stragegically going after enemies?

[Venom Melendez]

Plus, we've got Red Hulk's agenda...if it's a familiar face in the Hulk's universe, and you suddenly find yourself with an ungodly amount of power...you're virtually unstoppable...why do you care about secrecy, wiping out files, and stragegically going after enemies?


Plus, it seems Rulk thinks he's doing the Right thing killing Gamma monsters.

[rottentoons]

Wonder why he didn't kill She-Hulk?

[Venom Melendez]

Wonder why he didn't kill She-Hulk?

Why would anyone want to kill such a beautiful Gammazon?

[rottentoons]

Good point. What was I thinking?

[Zomling]

Don't get me wrong, I like the Blonsky idea, plus I don't want the abomination to be dead. But Would Stark have known Blonsky's voice? Would Rick have known Blonsky's voice that well? And who is the abomi-corpse in SHIELD's morgue?

Easy, an LMD.

If Blonsky can steal the state of the art abomination killer gun, he could also acquire an LMD that looks like him.

Plus sorry to contradict anyone, but Blonsky would possibly have access to Gamma Base, as at the end of the Destruction limited series he was employed by SHIELD as a covert (as much as any 7 foot tall green monster can be) assassin. Although later he was de-powered in She-Hulk.

If he wanted to go rogue it makes sense to fake his death, frame the Hulk and try to kill Rick Jones (if only because he's really annoying and would recognise him).

As to why other wouldn't recognize him, no answer, presumably Stark would as he saw the de-powered Blonsky.

Possibly the red colouring is some aspect of Blonsky's attempt to regain his powers.

[Venom Melendez]

Easy, an LMD.

If Blonsky can steal the state of the art abomination killer gun, he could also acquire an LMD that looks like him.

Plus sorry to contradict anyone, but Blonsky would possibly have access to Gamma Base, as at the end of the Destruction limited series he was employed by SHIELD as a covert (as much as any 7 foot tall green monster can be) assassin. Although later he was de-powered in She-Hulk.

If he wanted to go rogue it makes sense to fake his death, frame the Hulk and try to kill Rick Jones (if only because he's really annoying and would recognise him).

As to why other wouldn't recognize him, no answer, presumably Stark would as he saw the de-powered Blonsky.

Possibly the red colouring is some aspect of Blonsky's attempt to regain his powers.


I doubt they allow him entry once he stopped working there. Since it's standard procedure in any military base or any job for that matter.

Also, if it was an LMD Iron Man would have noticed because it would be mechanical. LMD's aren't clones after all.

[Zomling]

I doubt they allow him entry once he stopped working there. Since it's standard procedure in any military base or any job for that matter.

Also, if it was an LMD Iron Man would have noticed because it would be mechanical. LMD's aren't clones after all.

Ah, point taken. I still hate the idea of it being Samson or Ross though.

[rottentoons]

By the way, should I be picking up that issue of She-Hulk with Rulk on the cover? does that issue detail the fight on the helicarrier? What happened?

[Drdmx]

It would seem so. I seem to have seen a screenie of Shulkie kicking him in the nuts. If that's true, then it probably details the battle that happened off panel on the helicarrier.

[Melchior6]

The retina scan I.D.'d Red Hulk, but the automatic response was a violent defense. Red Hulk, whoever he is, was "unauthorized" personnel. I like the idea that the Red Hulk is the real hulk, but he can't be. He's obviously not banner. Samson would be too easy, Ross is impossible, Quartermain is just silly. WHY DIDN'T HE TALK TO STARK????? Stark would have known his voice, and Rick Jones knew his voice! And She-Hulk didnt recognize his voice. Interesting...


Interesting. So it would be someone that Rick and Stark both know but not She Hulk. That, along with Rulk's avid use of weaponry would eliminate Samson from the list of suspects. Hmmmm now I'm really scratching my head.