Marvel League 2008 Playoffs: Boogie & Andres Pacheco v. HouseSolo

[Jessica Drew]

Greetings, Marvel Zombies! Welcome to the playoffs in this year's Marvel League, where teams compete against one another comparing who has devised the best strategy to beat the other!

A few rules:

No ring-outs.
Characters must fight in character.
You must have at least 100 posts to vote.

And now on to our match...

Boogie & Andres Pacheco (Sister Grimm, Sersi, Songbird, Fat Cobra, Echo)

v.

HouseSolo's The Heralds of Buddy Christ (Super Skrull, Wraith, Ronan the Accuser, Madame Masque, Hellcat )

Both participants have submitted strategies.

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[Jessica Drew]

Boogie's & Andres Pacheco's strategy:

Match Theme - "All Along the Watchtower" As preformed by Jimi Hendrix (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA)

(all move happen simultaneously unless otherwise stated)

Phase 1

Sersi
Applies a TK Shield to Sister Grimm and Fat Cobra, Teleports Herself and Songbird behind the opposing team, with Sersi materializing behind behind Wraith and blasts him in the back of the head with dual energy blast from both of her hands, thus knocking him out and disrupting him while he is performing his Exolon move type thing. This has been shown in Annihilation: Conquest #6 to cause him to stop using his powers and have to regain himself to try it again. We feel this shot to the back of the head should more than just daze him due to Sersi’s strong power. This move should knock him down for a good count.

Songbird
Mel Teleports with Sersi and materializes beside Super Skrull and immediately encases him in a solid sound bubble, which she will make grow around him, so if he has his own TK field up around his team (or if anyone does) he will be forced to drop it or else risk squishing his team between his own TK shield and Songbird’s bubble. Much like the scene in Star Wars with the garbage disposal. We are well aware that Sersi could also risk getting squished as he is right in the thick of it all, but if she is close to being smooshed, she will teleport away.

Echo
Uses her Katana to cut Sister Grimm and then takes off across the tower toward the opposing team. She should be shielded in part by the watchtower as she makes her way around it. Using her Daredevil like agility, Maya should be able to make it across to the other side fairly quickly and also be able to dodge the attacks by Team Buddy Christ due to the fact that she also has the cover of night to help her. As she gets half way down the battlefield, she uses her Bulls-Eye aim and throws her katana at Hellcat, skewering her in the gut with it. This shouldn’t kill Hellcat right away, but should have her laying on her back with a huge freakin sword sticking out of her belly, unable to continue as she lays there bleeding. Ouch. It would also be doubtful that Team Buddy Christ would stop to help her in some kind as all of the remaining team have been shown to be quite self centered individuals who look to themselves before others.

Sister Grimm“When blood is shed, let the staff of one emerge”
Nico takes out the staff of one and casts her first spell “MAKE LOVE NOT WAR!” and directs it at her opponents. All of their weapons (Ronan’s hammer thing, Madame Masque’s guns, Wraith’s gun whip thing.) turn into condoms, dildos, vibrators, lube, chocolate hearts and a shaved gerbil (We’re looking at you Ronan). As a side effect to her spell, Ronan looks at Madame Masque and their eyes meet.
*cue romantic music* (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA)
They move toward each other , Ronan takes off her mask, exposing her scarred face but doesn’t care, as he is in love. Ronan slips her the tongue and all! As he is the leader of a race of people, so of course, he is good with his tongue. They now reside in Macking City, Population: THEM.

Fat Cobra
Wishes that the latest issue of Imortal Iron Fist came out so we would have some more awesome moves to totally rock Team Buddy Christ with, but it didn’t, so we are forced to use him for the moment as Sister Grimm’s bodyguard. He will take out his lightning staff type thing and whip it around his head building momentum with it, only using it to defend any attacks directed at either him or Sister Grimm. If not, he just builds momentum with it and looks FABULOUS!



[U]Phase 2

Songbird/Sersi
Shrinks the sound bubble around Super Skrull tight, trapping him inside. He will be unable to break free in any form he takes. As the bubble closes in on him, Sersi changes the air into bromine gas, for just long enough for him to not have any oxygen in his lungs and therefore, pass out and hurt his lungs. Sersi will then change the air inside the bubble to that of a tiny bit of oxygen, but mostly carbon dioxide to keep him out and useless for the rest of the match. She finishes it off with another dual energy blast to Wraith’s head to keep him down and inactive in case he starts to stir. He should have quite the headache by now.

Fat Cobra/Sister Grimm
Nico hops on Uncle Fat Cobra’s back and he runs down the field. They can basically make a mad dash toward the other team’s position as all the guns have now be changed into sexual related objects and if the only standing members of Team Buddy Christ are Ronan and Madame Masque who happen to be making out (HOT!). Tonguing and all. He might even be feeling her up cuz Ronan seems like he would get fresh on the first date. Naughty boy.

Echo - FIGHT THEME! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6OKRZv5Jk-o)
Maya would now be amongst the other team and she greets Madame Masque with a flying kick to the head which would shock her and more than likely make her chomp down on Ronan’s tongue. (Good thing it wasn’t something else in her mouth.) She will then engage Madame Masque in hand to hand combat, working her way over to the fallen Hellcat. She will then retrieve her Katana and use it to slice up Madame Masque’s face some more finally cutting essential tendons and other bodily things needed to keep fighting. Madame Masque is now in a pool of blood on the ground.

Yeah..That's right.. Echo is all:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/echoinkillbillhx5.jpg

(thank you from the both of us, you know who you are ;) )



[U]Phase 3

Fat Cobra
The fat man makes it to the rest of his team with Sister Grimm on his back, who hops off and gets ready to cast her spell. He immediately engages ronan in hand to hand combat, keeping him distracted and away from Nico. We are well aware that Fat Cobra is no match for someone like Ronan, but keep in mind that Ronan does not have his weapon as it is now just a vibrator. Fat Cobra unleashes WHIRLWIND OF IMPENDING DOOM and other awesome moves you have yet to see in the upcoming issue of Imortal Iron Fist (OUT SOON TRUE BELIEVERS! omgwannahavefractionsbabies)

Sersi
Continues to blast Wraith in the skull with energy blasts. This will not defeat him, but at least keep him knocked down and out of the fight as it is incredibly hard to concentrate when you have cosmic energy constantly knocking you upside the head. Kinda like going to TJ and drinking nothing but tequila. There was this one time Pacheco was in TJ, and he got loaded on tequila and ended up paying $5 to go see this donkey show cuz he likes animals and all, and it wasn’t what he thought it would be, but still enjoyed himself and then got on the stage and.. oh yeah.. marvel league strat… anyhoo… This should keep him down enough to allow Nico to cast her final spell of awesome.. oh wait kids, it’s coming…

Echo
Joins in the fight against Ronan, distracting him with her Ninja moves and slashing him in any way she can with her Katana, keeping him away from Nico is her prime objective. Oh yes, we are building up a move here.. wait for it… wait for it…

Songbird
While keeping Super Skrull in his bubble, puts up a hard sound bubble shield in front of Nico to protect her from any random, stray attacks that may come her way. Can you take the suspense? What’s the spell gonna be? Here it comes…

Sister Grimm
Steadies herself and casts the spell of awesome:[/I[I]]
“THEY CANCELLED CABLE & DEADPOOL AND ALL WE GET IS…”The others dive out of the way as she fires her spell at Ronan and wraith and turns them both into…

MARVEL APES!

(audience: “That’s it? That was the build up to? What a freakin’ rip off!”)

Both Ronan and Wraith are transformed into Marvel apes. Not Apes with super powers, but apes dressed like marvel characters. Wraith as a Baboon (http://beth.hohertz.org/miscpix/Baboon001-AfricanLionSafari.jpg) and we feel Ronan would look rather cute like the beast marvel ape. (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/xmen-beastape.jpg)

Songbird
Creates a cage out of Sound and catches both of the marvel apes in it.

Sersi
Picks up a few of the vibrators off the ground and transmutates them into Bananas and throws them into the cage. She takes one of the vibrators and puts it in her pocket for later, cuz she is a FREAK Like that.

With Team Buddy Christ locked up and ape’d out. The team calls it a night and goes and invade’s Tony’s bar. Except Nico, who is too young, and goes and blogs. Kids love them some blogs.

[Jessica Drew]

The Heralds of Buddy Christ's strategy:

Chapter One: Defense Wins Championships

-Super Skrull immediately becomes invisible and flies off into the air in his Flaming Thing form. His one and only purpose is to find the other team (if they teleported, if not they’re right infront of us). Upon doing so he shape shifts into The Black Knight (a former love interest of Sersi) and makes himself visible to Sersi and then begins to ride away. Sersi was completely in love with The Black Knight, and nothing would stop her from being with him. She’d be distracted and fly off after him.

-The rest of the team follows the company of line “Defense wins Championships” and takes cover. Ronan puts up a shield around everyone and a separate shield around Sister Grimm. Preventing anyone from cutting her, and thus preventing her from ever gaining The Staff of One, and holds it here until she runs out of oxygen and suffocates (much like the Invisible Woman did to The Hulk in Fantastic Four #166) If Sersi quickly attempts to maniplute the molecules of anything, Ronan immediately prevents it with his own molecular manipulation abilities. This includes but is not limited to: Ronan's Armor and Universal Weapon, Wraith's Weapon)

-Wraith Reveals the Exolon. Which recently has been shown to protect an entire army of Kree Sentries (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006a7f6d.jpg) and help to take down a giant Ultron (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006aa47f.jpg)(Annihilation Conquest #6). Which is yet another example of when it prevented people from attacking. (Phalanx, Kree, and other races of Phalanx Select alike). This would slow any action the opposing team plans to take to a near halt.

Note: If they teleported away the strategy continues (Including the ever important shield and suffocating of Sister Grimm). Otherwise they just wait under the shield for the others to arrive without Sersi.

Chapter Two: and Offense Wins Games

-Super Skrull continues to stay a step ahead of Sersi as she calls to “The Black Knight” keeping her further distracted. He draws her all the way over to the other side of the tower past the Sentry’s watchtower

-Ronan The Accuser first takes aim with a wide angle Cosmic Blast and fires upon their entire team over and over again. If Songbird has put up some kind of shield, she has never exhibited her shields to have anywhere near the strength of Ironman’s. Ronan, however, has nearly overloaded Ironman’s life support (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0069c9e7.jpg)with one cosmic blast, and drained his Reflector Shields from 100% to 33% (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006a1875.jpg)with only 1 shot. Let alone the dozens the opposing team will be facing.

-Wraith turns his weapon into a rocket launcher and fires upon the team as well. The combined might would drop them all.

Chapter Three: The Universal Weapons

-Ronan The Accuser, now with a few moments free, turns everyones clothing into that of the Kree Accuser Corps Cybernetic Armor. He then turns both of Madame Masque’s pistols into Universal Weapons.

-Madame Masque, now clad in the Accuser Corps cybernetic armor is able to wield a Universal Weapon. She hands the other to…

-Hellcat takes the other Universal Weapon.

-Wraith then turns his weapon into a Universal Weapon himself.

Chapter Four: The End of The Eternal

-Super Skrull stops leading Sersi around, turns, and faces her, laughs and turns back into his regular Skrull Form. He Immediately douses her in fire and drills her with immense strength knocking her off balance. Super Skrull has gone head to head with Thor (Thor Vol. 1 #142) So can handle these few moments by himself. If she hits him in anyway, he can simply stretch like this (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc009b2087.jpg) when he took it from The Hulk. Super Skrull wraps himself around Sersi over and over again holding her in place. With Thing plus Mr. Fantastic durability he’ll be able to survive, and if not, he has shown willingness to sacrifice himself as seen in Annihilation Super Skrull #4

-The new and improved Accuser Corps now makes it’s way over the top of the Sentry’s watch tower, all flying lead by Ronan.


-Ronan The Accuser immediately begins creating dozens of high powered vortexes all around Sersi. She’s only just realized the love of her life isn’t back, and that plus dozens of vortexes would catch her off balance.


-Madame Masque begins firing Cosmic Blasts at Sersi from above

-Hellcat follows suit and fires cosmic blasts.

-Ronan, having already created The Vortexes begins firing cosmic blasts at Sersi as well.

-Wraith, however, with his insane healing (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0027a14e.jpg) factor (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0027bcda.jpg), flies down toward the beaten back Sersi and wails on Sersi over and over again, instantly healing any damage he may take. The combined might of the new and improved Accuser Corps knocks the eternal out

[Pach!]

The Heralds of Buddy Christ's strategy:

Chapter One: Defense Wins Championships

-Super Skrull immediately becomes invisible and flies off into the air in his Flaming Thing form. His one and only purpose is to find the other team (if they teleported, if not they’re right infront of us). Upon doing so he shape shifts into The Black Knight (a former love interest of Sersi) and makes himself visible to Sersi and then begins to ride away. Sersi was completely in love with The Black Knight, and nothing would stop her from being with him. She’d be distracted and fly off after him.
That's true they totally got hot and heavy. Those crazy lovers. Except I don't think shapeshifting is the best move to try and pull on a telepath. Sersi would see right through this and not "fly off" after him...unless that was part of the master plan to rip SS's head off.


-The rest of the team follows the company of line “Defense wins Championships” and takes cover. Ronan puts up a shield around everyone and a separate shield around Sister Grimm. Preventing anyone from cutting her, and thus preventing her from ever gaining The Staff of One, and holds it here until she runs out of oxygen and suffocates (much like the Invisible Woman did to The Hulk in Fantastic Four #166) If Sersi quickly attempts to maniplute the molecules of anything, Ronan immediately prevents it with his own molecular manipulation abilities. This includes but is not limited to: Ronan's Armor and Universal Weapon, Wraith's Weapon)
Except we're far away, it's night time and Echo starts by cutting Nico. If anything at most you'd manage to put a shield around an already bleeding Nico Minoru, which means you just protected our powerful sorceress. Her first spell gets rid of your weapons.. not Sersi's transmutation.


-Wraith Reveals the Exolon. Which recently has been shown to protect an entire army of Kree Sentries (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006a7f6d.jpg) and help to take down a giant Ultron (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006aa47f.jpg)(Annihilation Conquest #6). Which is yet another example of when it prevented people from attacking. (Phalanx, Kree, and other races of Phalanx Select alike). This would slow any action the opposing team plans to take to a near halt.
That is one powerful bitchy move. However as said in our strat, blasting him is enough to stop him for a bit. Try receiving a cosmic energy beam to the back of the head. Ouch.

Important to note: You didn't bother to protect or use Hellcat or MM so someone just recieved a katana to the stomach and someone just received a tongue to the mouth.




-Super Skrull continues to stay a step ahead of Sersi as she calls to “The Black Knight” keeping her further distracted. He draws her all the way over to the other side of the tower past the Sentry’s watchtower
Again, this would only work if Sersi weren't a telepath.


-Ronan The Accuser first takes aim with a wide angle Cosmic Blast and fires upon their entire team over and over again. If Songbird has put up some kind of shield, she has never exhibited her shields to have anywhere near the strength of Ironman’s. Ronan, however, has nearly overloaded Ironman’s life support (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0069c9e7.jpg)with one cosmic blast, and drained his Reflector Shields from 100% to 33% (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc006a1875.jpg)with only 1 shot. Let alone the dozens the opposing team will be facing.
He's too busy macking. Yum. And like weaponless. And about to get turned into a monkey.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/monkeyronan.jpg

-Wraith turns his weapon into a rocket launcher and fires upon the team as well. The combined might would drop them all.

No weapons.




-Ronan The Accuser, now with a few moments free, turns everyones clothing into that of the Kree Accuser Corps Cybernetic Armor. He then turns both of Madame Masque’s pistols into Universal Weapons.

He can't do that as a monkey!


-Madame Masque, now clad in the Accuser Corps cybernetic armor is able to wield a Universal Weapon. She hands the other to…

....I'm pretty sure this lady got cut up like Sofie Fatale by the bride


-Hellcat takes the other Universal Weapon.

Who is like bleeding and needs some help stat


-Wraith then turns his weapon into a Universal Weapon himself.

He's a monkey!
Chapter Four: The End of The Eternal


-Super Skrull stops leading Sersi around, turns, and faces her, laughs and turns back into his regular Skrull Form. He Immediately douses her in fire and drills her with immense strength knocking her off balance. Super Skrull has gone head to head with Thor (Thor Vol. 1 #142) So can handle these few moments by himself. If she hits him in anyway, he can simply stretch like this (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc009b2087.jpg) when he took it from The Hulk. Super Skrull wraps himself around Sersi over and over again holding her in place. With Thing plus Mr. Fantastic durability he’ll be able to survive, and if not, he has shown willingness to sacrifice himself as seen in Annihilation Super Skrull #4

-The new and improved Accuser Corps now makes it’s way over the top of the Sentry’s watch tower, all flying lead by Ronan.


-Ronan The Accuser immediately begins creating dozens of high powered vortexes all around Sersi. She’s only just realized the love of her life isn’t back, and that plus dozens of vortexes would catch her off balance.

At this point SS is all that's left still trying to fool a telepath by changing his shape. I say it's the right time to finish him.

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[Boogie]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/a6wraithpwn.jpg

Wraith totally got pwned by Praxagora (As played by Ultron). IT was a Surprise attack, much like ours. Sersi has got to be at least 10x stronger than that silly Robot. So i think the energy blast would hurt him even more. And look how much that effected him in Annihilation #6.


Except we're far away, it's night time and Echo starts by cutting Nico. If anything at most you'd manage to put a shield around an already bleeding Nico Minoru, which means you just protected our powerful sorceress. Her first spell gets rid of your weapons.. not Sersi's transmutation
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Sersi actually places a shield over Nico and Fat Cobra the instant before teleport, and we all know how fast she can do her moves. So I dont even think he gets to put the TK shield over us. He puts the TK Shield over.. our TK shield. Awesome protection. :p

[Alex Smith]

Sersi has blindly trusted the black knight without question for their entire relationship so there is no reason to assume that she'd try and read "The Black Knight's" mind this time when she never as before.

Sersi wouldn't get past putting up a TK shield let along teleporting and then attacking before SS gets over there. Plus she has the Exolon working against her to prevent her from acting quickly.

The top of Stark Tower isn't large at all, so we're not very far away, and you never teleport Sister Grimm so there is nothing to prevent Ronan from getting up a shield around Sister Grimm preventing her from getting the Staff of One. PLUS, the Exolon would prevent Echo from acting immediately. Ronan also has a shield up around are team as so no one would have been stabbed.

What it really comes down to is how you're drastically overestimating Sersi's ability to act rationally around the Black Knight. She would never in a million years doubt that it was him, because she wants him to be back so badly.

Also, no way a cosmic blast from Sersi has wraith down for more than a second you've seen his healing factor, don't sell the guy that short, c'mon.

Since Sister Grimm would have never gotten her staff, she'd ahve suffocated to death, thus meaning the Accuser Corps is created, and whoops the shit out of Sersi.

C'mon guys, Buddy Christ and a new Accuser Corps? Can it get any better :tongue:

[Pach!]

Sersi has blindly trusted the black knight without question for their entire relationship so there is no reason to assume that she'd try and read "The Black Knight's" mind this time when she never as before.
a) That's assuming she wouldn't it find it the least bit suspicious the shape shifting skrull is gone and her ex-lover was suddenly there.
b)She's more into "Mark Curry" now.
c)As of the last issue of the Eternals mini, she said she didn't really remember the Avengers stuff..which would include the Black Knight
d)Telepaths always get background noise. Even if she didn't want to, she'd get some thoughts out of the skrull.
e) People in love are usually in synch with each other's thought (as seen with other telepaths)

Sersi wouldn't get past putting up a TK shield let along teleporting and then attacking before SS gets over there. Plus she has the Exolon working against her to prevent her from acting quickly.
So you think someone flying across a tower is faster than, creating a shield and teleporting? No way. Sersi would be behind Wraith at the time that Wraith released teh Exolon.


The top of Stark Tower isn't large at all, so we're not very far away, and you never teleport Sister Grimm so there is nothing to prevent Ronan from getting up a shield around Sister Grimm preventing her from getting the Staff of One. PLUS, the Exolon would prevent Echo from acting immediately. Ronan also has a shield up around are team as so no one would have been stabbed.
Your team doesn't start before us.. we start at the same time. Echo's cut would be as Wraith started his move and Ronan traps Nico.. so Nico is bleeding already and Echo is only temporarily stopped, since Wraith is about to get blasted.


What it really comes down to is how you're drastically overestimating Sersi's ability to act rationally around the Black Knight. She would never in a million years doubt that it was him, because she wants him to be back so badly.
You're underestimating telepath's ability to see through shapeshifting. Besides she had most of the Avengers stuff erased from her mind.


Also, no way a cosmic blast from Sersi has wraith down for more than a second you've seen his healing factor, don't sell the guy that short, c'mon.
Hey. that panel we showed has people chatting for a while before Wraith even gets up.

Since Sister Grimm would have never gotten her staff, she'd ahve suffocated to death, thus meaning the Accuser Corps is created, and whoops the shit out of Sersi.
Thankfully Nico does get her staff


C'mon guys, Buddy Christ and a new Accuser Corps? Can it get any better :tongue:
Yeah..it can be Team Jason Bateman! ;)

[Alex Smith]

On another note even if you did get rid of the weapons, whcih you didnt Ronan has his Universal Weapon melted by The Human Torch, but he can simply call himselff another one. It was either FF 13 or 14, I'll look for it. So then he'd just turn the dildos and vibrators into the Universal Weapons.

Not thati t matters, because that spell never gets off.

[Alex Smith]

Nico wouldn't get her staff, and it wouldn't matter as I made clear in the last post.

Sersi got her memory back and remembers all of that Avenger's stuff.

Sersi being an Eternal is so incontrol of her body and powers she doesn't get background noise, she woulnd't know it was him.

Also, she wants the Black Knight back so she's bound to act irrationally, that's how love in comics works.

[Pach!]

Nico wouldn't get her staff, and it wouldn't matter as I made clear in the last post.

Sersi got her memory back and remembers all of that Avenger's stuff.

Sersi being an Eternal is so incontrol of her body and powers she doesn't get background noise, she woulnd't know it was him.

Also, she wants the Black Knight back so she's bound to act irrationally, that's how love in comics works.
No she didn't! I have my issue right here!

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/sersi.jpg


And the second part is based off what?


And Nico totally gets her staff. Echo cuts her at the same time as your team attacks. So she's bleeding.

[Alex Smith]

Even if she did get her staff, her spell doesn't matter, as Ronan get call himself another Univeral Weapon as I said, and go from there.

As for Sersi, I'll look into my back issues, but I distinctly remember her regaining her memory about the black knight.

[Pach!]

Even if she did get her staff, her spell doesn't matter, as Ronan get call himself another Univeral Weapon as I said, and go from there.

As for Sersi, I'll look into my back issues, but I distinctly remember her regaining her memory about the black knight.

It does matter. Wraith loses his weapon too. And Nico uses her staff for other stuff.

Also Madame Masque and Hellcat are out of it. Wraith is out. So it's Nico using her magic against Ronan even if he's creating universal weapons for his KO'd teammates.

[Alex Smith]

No, they're still in because Ronan had a shield around them.

Wraith is fine because Sersi is off chasing after Black Knight Skrull.

Wraith's weapon can be changed back by Ronan after he calls himself another Universal Weapon, and he can just change into into a Universal Weapon as that was the plan all along. And even fi Ronan doing anything to Wraith's weapon is contested because I didn't originally bring it up, Wraith goes hand to hand with Sersi at the end anyway, so it doens't change that much.

[Pach!]

No, they're still in because Ronan had a shield around them.

Wraith is fine because Sersi is off chasing after Black Knight Skrull.

Wraith's weapon can be changed back by Ronan after he calls himself another Universal Weapon, and he can just change into into a Universal Weapon as that was the plan all along. And even fi Ronan doing anything to Wraith's weapon is contested because I didn't originally bring it up, Wraith goes hand to hand with Sersi at the end anyway, so it doens't change that much.
I posted the reason why she doesn't chase Black Knight Skrull. Stop skipping them.

[Alex Smith]

I addressed that. She wouldn't get back noise, because as you have made abundantely clear in the past, Eternals have complete control over their bodies and their abilities. She has never had a problem with back noise, that's only telepaths who aren't millions of years old :tongue:

As for not remembering Black Knight, she does remember him, she is just a little fuzzy with everything, and those 2 were so in love she'd not question it for a second.

[Boogie]

Sersi has blindly trusted the black knight without question for their entire relationship so there is no reason to assume that she'd try and read "The Black Knight's" mind this time when she never as before.


Sersi doesnt remember being an avenger, therefore probably does not remember Dane, so therefore, her following him off blindly is a bit of a stretch. This is like the last time we battled and you just figured that she wouldnt fight at all. If you cant think of a proper way to take her down, just say so.


Sersi wouldn't get past putting up a TK shield let along teleporting and then attacking before SS gets over there. Plus she has the Exolon working against her to prevent her from acting quickly.


We have shown many times through this league how fast her moves are. With a snap of the fingers, the TK shield is up and her and Songbird are gone behind your team. So whats faster? Wraith's Exolon with a freakin' watchtower in the way, having to effect them 100 yards away in an instant? or Sersi Shield/Teleport? Wraith hasnt shown how fast his exolon can spread and infect people. Sersi is already behind him blasting him in the skull. From what ive seen, his Exolon shoots outwards in front of him, leaving him vulnerable from behind. Sersi likes it from behind.

The top of Stark Tower isn't large at all, so we're not very far away, and you never teleport Sister Grimm so there is nothing to prevent Ronan from getting up a shield around Sister Grimm preventing her from getting the Staff of One. PLUS, the Exolon would prevent Echo from acting immediately. Ronan also has a shield up around are team as so no one would have been stabbed.

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/41000/40830/78190-stark-tower_400.jpg

that is roughly stark tower now, with the FREAKIN WATCHTOWER in the middle of it. All matches start out 100 yards apart, i do not see why this one would be any different. Things have been adjusted to accommodate this, much like the pinball machine in murderworld. Sersi takes down Wraith, echo is free to dash. Ronan's shield goes down when he is Mackin' on Madame Masque.


What it really comes down to is how you're drastically overestimating Sersi's ability to act rationally around the Black Knight. She would never in a million years doubt that it was him, because she wants him to be back so badly.

It doesnt come down to that. We really dont even think that is an issue as we have already proven. If you had your whole strat hinged on that, well House, that wasn't a great idea.

Also, no way a cosmic blast from Sersi has wraith down for more than a second you've seen his healing factor, don't sell the guy that short, c'mon.
The Blast from Praxagora took him out so bad that he needed help getting to his feet. Think of what the Mother (not literally) of Eternals could do to him with a dual blast to the back of his head.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers359p18si2.jpg
She has the power to vaporize people. Wraith should consider himself lucky she did not choose this course of action.

Since Sister Grimm would have never gotten her staff, she'd ahve suffocated to death, thus meaning the Accuser Corps is created, and whoops the shit out of Sersi.

She gets the staff, takes away your weapons and has ronan and madame masque making out. Hellcat has a fountain spurting from her gut. Wraith is down. YOu gots nothing. Sersi still gets her vibrator.

C'mon guys, Buddy Christ and a new Accuser Corps? Can it get any better
Ronan and Wraith being Marvel Apes. :)

[Pach!]

I addressed that. She wouldn't get back noise, because as you have made abundantely clear in the past, Eternals have complete control over their bodies and their abilities. She has never had a problem with back noise, that's only telepaths who aren't millions of years old :tongue:

As for not remembering Black Knight, she does remember him, she is just a little fuzzy with everything, and those 2 were so in love she'd not question it for a second.

LOL! a) Professor Xavier has said that the background noise is something that telepaths get used to. So they feel weird without it.
b) She doesn't remember him!

You base your strategy of Sersi flying away with a skrull and the Exolon stopping our team. Both fail.

[Boogie]

Even if she did get her staff, her spell doesn't matter, as Ronan get call himself another Univeral Weapon as I said, and go from there.

As for Sersi, I'll look into my back issues, but I distinctly remember her regaining her memory about the black knight.

He cant call himself another universal weapon cuz he is makin on Madame Masque. Slipping her the tongue, grabbing some boobie.
Kinda missed that part of the spell eh?

[Pach!]

He cant call himself another universal weapon cuz he is makin on Madame Masque. Slipping her the tongue, grabbing some boobie.
Kinda missed that part of the spell eh?

I didn't. That part was hot!

[Alex Smith]

That's not the entire base, and Sersi would follow him as she does remember the Black Knight (this 2 on 1 thing is tough Ill have to remember to take a teammate next time :tongue: )

I don't recall it ever being said we start on opposite sides of the watchtower, not that it matters, but you seem to think it does.

Also, even if Nico does get her spell off

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0073ac97.jpg

(I should get bonus points for randomly remembering Fantastic Four #14 :tongue:)

Ronan gets his Universal Weapon and fixes everyone else.

Professor X isn't a millions of years old so that's not even remotely relevant what he says.

Sersi would fly off after Super Skrull. Saying that's not a good way to occupy her isn't fair, you're only saying that becasue it's not all action like you want it to be. Obviously if anyone goes that route they have trouble with Sersi right away, you're force to play games like that.

[Pach!]

a) She doesn't remember him. Stop saying that. We've proven she doesn't remember her time as an avenger.

b)She doesn't love Dane anymore..she loves Mark Curry..or like "into" whatever. Dane is not on her mind anymore.

c) Even if she did remember him, she'd remember being a hero. Why would she fly away with her boyfriend mid-fight?

LOL You always make poor Sersi soooo OOC!

[Boogie]

That's not the entire base, and Sersi would follow him as she does remember the Black Knight (this 2 on 1 thing is tough Ill have to remember to take a teammate next time :tongue: )

I don't recall it ever being said we start on opposite sides of the watchtower, not that it matters, but you seem to think it does.

Also, even if Nico does get her spell off

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/islamicjew/sc0073ac97.jpg

(I should get bonus points for randomly remembering Fantastic Four #14 :tongue:)

Ronan gets his Universal Weapon and fixes everyone else.

Professor X isn't a millions of years old so that's not even remotely relevant what he says.

Sersi would fly off after Super Skrull. Saying that's not a good way to occupy her isn't fair, you're only saying that becasue it's not all action like you want it to be. Obviously if anyone goes that route they have trouble with Sersi right away, you're force to play games like that.

We proved she wouldnt remember him! You need to stop.
We dont doubt Ronan could make another universal weapon. We doubt he would bother cuz the side effect to the spell was him making out with madame masque (hence the make love part of the spell).

The professor X part is weak. He is the world's greatest telepath, he knows what's what.

Sersi wouldnt fly off with him. You should try another argument, because the fact that you are fighting on this point is rather weak of you.

And yes, i recomend a partner, even though this week i was kinda on my own... not pointing fingers or anytjing.

[Alex Smith]

Lol I'm behind the times and have no idea what OOC means.

As for why she'd fly off, because that's her character? She follows him everywhere, and it doesn't matter if she loves Mark Curry now, whoever the hell that is, The Black Knight was her first and only real love, they stress that through the entire run. This guy is just plan B.

Her memory isn't completely gone, it's hazy, plus, I seem to remember Ikaris returning her memory at some point. Ill have to find that issue too. Just need to tap into the old memory powers again :tongue:

[Alex Smith]

We proved she wouldnt remember him! You need to stop.
We dont doubt Ronan could make another universal weapon. We doubt he would bother cuz the side effect to the spell was him making out with madame masque (hence the make love part of the spell).

The professor X part is weak. He is the world's greatest telepath, he knows what's what.

Sersi wouldnt fly off with him. You should try another argument, because the fact that you are fighting on this point is rather weak of you.

And yes, i recomend a partner, even though this week i was kinda on my own... not pointing fingers or anytjing.

Worlds greatest telepath or not he's not a multi-million year old eternal. He has no way of knowing what that's like.

It's not weak of me, c'mon now, no need to toss insults, geez. It's just that you guys do't want to accept that because it's not action based and doesn't help your plan :tongue:

[Alex Smith]

Also to say he (Ronan) wouldn't bother is ridiculous. There is a huge ass fight going on :tongue:

[Pach!]

Lol I'm behind the times and have no idea what OOC means.

As for why she'd fly off, because that's her character? She follows him everywhere, and it doesn't matter if she loves Mark Curry now, whoever the hell that is, The Black Knight was her first and only real love, they stress that through the entire run. This guy is just plan B.

Her memory isn't completely gone, it's hazy, plus, I seem to remember Ikaris returning her memory at some point. Ill have to find that issue too. Just need to tap into the old memory powers again :tongue:

OOC is out of character.

Mark Curry is Makkari, who according to Sprite in the Eternals is way more of Sersi's soulmate than Dane.

And even if Ikaris remembers...that's means nothing to Sersi. There are tons of Eternals who remember nothing at all. Nada. Zippo.

We just showed you that Sersi doesn't remember Black Knight.

And even if she did, it doesn't matter. She would not fly after him.

[Pach!]

Also to say he (Ronan) wouldn't bother is ridiculous. There is a huge ass fight going on :tongue:

Except we have Ronan under magic. You have Sersi like a schoolgirl.

[Boogie]

Worlds greatest telepath or not he's not a multi-million year old eternal. He has no way of knowing what that's like.

It's not weak of me, c'mon now, no need to toss insults, geez. It's just that you guys do't want to accept that because it's not action based and doesn't help your plan :tongue:

It's not an inuslt, it's just a statement. I still like ya House. Im glad i joined this league to meet awesome people like you!

And we have nothing against non action based strategy. We have Ronan makign out with Madame Masque. THough, that could be classified as HOT ACTION!

[Boogie]

Also to say he (Ronan) wouldn't bother is ridiculous. There is a huge ass fight going on :tongue:

And he is under a spell. :P

[Alex Smith]

Ronan's Cosmic Awareness (see his Annihilation and Annihilation proper for proof) would help him fight that off. He'd still fight. Saying he's not is a stretch (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31JQ90ZGGDL._AA280_.jpg).

[Boogie]

Ronan's Cosmic Awareness (see his Annihilation and Annihilation proper for proof) would help him fight that off. He'd still fight. Saying he's not is a stretch (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31JQ90ZGGDL._AA280_.jpg).

Cosmic awereness means nothing to a women's sensual touch. Or magic. He's under the spell. It's more plausible that he would be under our spell than Sersi chasing after someone whom she no longer remembers.

[Alex Smith]

Well I've got 4 votes, and I'm yet to actually vote for myself, so that's more than I got the entire last time I faced you guys, so it's a good day. I"m just a bit bummed 5 people voted for you before I was even here. :tongue:

[Boogie]

Well I've got 4 votes, and I'm yet to actually vote for myself, so that's more than I got the entire last time I faced you guys, so it's a good day. I"m just a bit bummed 5 people voted for you before I was even here. :tongue:

They recognize a good strat when they see one. What can i say?
and vote for yourself you silly goose!

[Alex Smith]

Cosmic awereness means nothing to a women's sensual touch. Or magic. He's under the spell. It's more plausible that he would be under our spell than Sersi chasing after someone whom she no longer remembers.

Not really at all. Those two had such a huge bond it's not a stretch at all to say she would, and she does remember him. I'm gonna find the issue where Ikaris restores her memory if it kills me.

[Pach!]

Well I've got 4 votes, and I'm yet to actually vote for myself, so that's more than I got the entire last time I faced you guys, so it's a good day. I"m just a bit bummed 5 people voted for you before I was even here. :tongue:

LOL, Well you have yet to convince me!

I don't think your Exolon move or your Sersi move work.

Do you now at least agree that Sersi doesn't remember him? Or are we still gonna dance around that?

[Pach!]

Not really at all. Those two had such a huge bond it's not a stretch at all to say she would, and she does remember him. I'm gonna find the issue where Ikaris restores her memory if it kills me.

I have all the issues right here with me. Tell me which one it is, and I'll scan it for you.

The issues I showed you of Sersi not remembering. That's the last issue. Sersi and Ikaris don't speak after that.

She doesn't remember.

[Alex Smith]

I don't agree at all, she got her memory back. Ikaris restored it I'm going ot find where this happened, I just use my long boxes as shelves, and a few of them are even holding up a coffee table type thing so it might be a few minutes :tongue:

It should also be noted that I have been dying to read Death of the New Gods #8 but am spending so much time here I hvent yet :tongue: vote for dedication people!

Comicvine also mentions she gets it back, but it doesn't say when. It's bothering me where this happens.

[Pach!]

I don't agree at all, she got her memory back. Ikaris restored it I'm going ot find where this happened, I just use my long boxes as shelves, and a few of them are even holding up a coffee table type thing so it might be a few minutes :tongue:

It should also be noted that I have been dying to read Death of the New Gods #8 but am spending so much time here I hvent yet :tongue: vote for dedication people!

Comicvine also mentions she gets it back, but it doesn't say when. It's bothering me where this happens.

She doesn't! She remembers she's an eternal. That's what Ikaris does. But she doesn't remember her avengers time!

That scan is from the last issue.

[Alex Smith]

She remembers The Black Knight, man. Even it it is a little fuzzy, she remembers enough to where she'd chase after the guy. She was in love with him, she'd chase after him.

Their relationship goes way beyond what most comic book ones do including Peter Parker and Mary-Jane and Scarlet Witch and Vision. Those 2 were huge, but Sersi and Black Knight transcended that. They went off into alternate dimensions just to be with eachother.

[Pach!]

She remembers The Black Knight, man. Even it it is a little fuzzy, she remembers enough to where she'd chase after the guy. She was in love with him, she'd chase after him.

Their relationship goes way beyond what most comic book ones do including Peter Parker and Mary-Jane and Scarlet Witch and Vision. Those 2 were huge, but Sersi and Black Knight transcended that. They went off into alternate dimensions just to be with eachother.

LOL. She doesn't remember him, man! And in the Eternals mini, Sprite told Makkari about how they always find a way to end up with each other. Those 2 are more soulmates than Dane and Sersi.

[Alex Smith]

told Makkari about how they always find a way to end up with each other. Those 2 are more soulmates than Dane and Sersi.

Arguable, really. lol

And I just linked it Boogie. My mathches tend to have low activity so I try and rally the troops :tongue: . Plus, I told everyone to read the strategies and vote who they liked best.

[Pach!]

Arguable, really. lol

And I just linked it Boogie. My mathches tend to have low activity so I try and rally the troops :tongue: . Plus, I told everyone to read the strategies and vote who they liked best.

LOL. Pointblank Housesolo.

That panel shows she doesn't remember the Avengers. So she doesn't remember Dane. So she wouldn't follow him

Which part do you disagree with? Because you're not showing any proof

[Alex Smith]

I told you I gotta find it. I have about 30 long boxes so things get lost.

She does remember vaguely enough to follow him though. I remember reading it was all hazy, but enough to where she'd follow him.

[Pach!]

I told you I gotta find it. I have about 30 long boxes so things get lost.

She does remember vaguely enough to follow him though. I remember reading it was all hazy, but enough to where she'd follow him.

Well that panel shows she doesn't remember him. And if she vaguely remembers him, why would she leave the battle to follow him?That makes no sense.

[Alex Smith]

Yes it does, because like I said their love was more than a memory, it was a feeling they both had. I remember Dane going with her to some alternate dimension after his mind was wiped briefly.

[Pach!]

Yes it does, because like I said their love was more than a memory, it was a feeling they both had. I remember Dane going with her to some alternate dimension after his mind was wiped briefly.

LOL so now she remembers their love? You do realize that you're basing your theory off nothing, whereas I'm using the latest mini as proof that she doesn't remember the avengers?

[Boogie]

Arguable, really. lol

And I just linked it Boogie. My mathches tend to have low activity so I try and rally the troops :tongue: . Plus, I told everyone to read the strategies and vote who they liked best.

Dude, i was just totally kidding. We did the same thing. :P

And you should really alphabeticalize that shit. The thought of your books not being in order upsets me.

And dude, you really have to drop it. She doesnt remember him, or even if it was a hazy remembrance she wouldnt run off int he middle of the battle because of it. YOu need a new line of attack man.

[Alex Smith]

LOL so now she remembers their love? You do realize that you're basing your theory off nothing, whereas I'm using the latest mini as proof that she doesn't remember the avengers?

Their love isn't about memory, it was a feeling, and I can feel myself becoming less of a man as Itype this :tongue:

It's not off of nothing, it's off of what happened in past issues that are currently holding up a coffee table or novels or something :tongue:

[Boogie]

Yes it does, because like I said their love was more than a memory, it was a feeling they both had. I remember Dane going with her to some alternate dimension after his mind was wiped briefly.

That is Dane, not her.

[Alex Smith]

And you should really alphabeticalize that shit. The thought of your books not being in order upsets me.


I know, I tried, but I've got so much it's a pain in the ass to put it in any order. Some of my issues from the 90s don't even have boards. The issues sucked so I just tossed them in a box boardless :tongue:

[Alex Smith]

That is Dane, not her.

It's a feeling that goes both ways between the two of them.

[Boogie]

It's a feeling that goes both ways between the two of them.
You're right, she really does love..ZOMG!!!!
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/teamjasonbateman/eternals2.jpg

Wow, she really loves Markkari! Destined! Win. Have a beer man. :)

[Alex Smith]

Have a beer man. :)

Way ahead of you.
But the Black Knight thing was first and way stronger. It's a relationship that will be talked about for years to come where as this new one? Badly written, and boring. Not so much of importance :tongue:

[Boogie]

Way ahead of you.
But the Black Knight thing was first and way stronger. It's a relationship that will be talked about for years to come where as this new one? Badly written, and boring. Not so much of importance :tongue:

Sprite said himself in the Eternals Mini that Sersi and Markkari were destined to be together and that they have been together for periods of over a hundred years. It's not new, it's just rekindled.

[Pach!]

Way ahead of you.
But the Black Knight thing was first and way stronger. It's a relationship that will be talked about for years to come where as this new one? Badly written, and boring. Not so much of importance :tongue:
Well it's now canon that they've been together and breaking up for a while now, and always manage to find each other. Soul mates, dude. Soul mates.

So do we now agree that she would not fly after your skrull trick (AND THIS KINDA MOOT ANYWAYS, SINCE SHE WOULD KNOW THIS ISN'T DANE DUE TO TELEPATHY!)

[Alex Smith]

Ok, be back in an hour and I'll look forward to seeing myself in a much bigger hole :tongue:

Either way though, Wundagore prevails :biggrin:

[Alex Smith]

Well it's now canon that they've been together and breaking up for a while now, and always manage to find each other. Soul mates, dude. Soul mates.

So do we now agree that she would not fly after your skrull trick (AND THIS KINDA MOOT ANYWAYS, SINCE SHE WOULD KNOW THIS ISN'T DANE DUE TO TELEPATHY!)

No, we don't agre!! hahaaha, I still don't buy the telepathy thing. Now you're the one selling Sersi short, she wouldn't get any crappy background noise she's millions of years old and has total control. Ok,1hour.

[Alex Smith]

Back, in less than an hour, and as I predicted in even more of a hole, haha.

[Alex Smith]

The flurry of xboard people is unstoppable! :tongue:

[Pach!]

The flurry of xboard people is unstoppable! :tongue:

They are voting for our team because you have not yet proven your Sersi move, while we have proven it fails..and we showed the Exolon stopping after he gets blasted!

[Alex Smith]

The Exolon isn't essential.

You haven't proven it fails, you're just trying to say you have with that one panel.

The most important thing is that Sister Grimm wouldn't get her spell off, and if she did, it wouldn't matter as Ronan would just get his weapon back and proceed to ill the rest of the team as was planed. Then he would get everyone their own universal weapon and lay waste to Sersi :tongue:

Don't kid yourself about why they're voting, haha. I don't mind, it's actually very smart. I just wish I had a board I posted on a lot. I tried to get some rumble board people to participate, but I don't ever post there, aside from this league I'm trying, so that isn't workin too well :tongue:

Anyway, if you guys do end up winning, you better win it all for Wundagore :biggrin:

[Pach!]

The Exolon isn't essential.

You haven't proven it fails, you're just trying to say you have with that one panel.

The most important thing is that Sister Grimm wouldn't get her spell off, and if she did, it wouldn't matter as Ronan would just get his weapon back and proceed to ill the rest of the team as was planed. Then he would get everyone their own universal weapon and lay waste to Sersi :tongue:

Don't kid yourself about why they're voting, haha. I don't mind, it's actually very smart. I just wish I had a board I posted on a lot. I tried to get some rumble board people to participate, but I don't ever post there, aside from this league I'm trying, so that isn't workin too well :tongue:

Anyway, if you guys do end up winning, you better win it all for Wundagore :biggrin:
haha..I like to believe some are voting because they thought our strat was better (like I'm sure you hope to) but you can't really control that. At least I asked them to read both before voting.

Either way good match dude. I have enjoyed both our matches.

[Alex Smith]

Ya, they've been a lot of fun.

If they do a DC or Avengers League I hope you two participate in that too. I know Mutant League just ended so I can't imagine there will be a new one of those soon.

[KJ Stewart]

I'm gonna try to have a league of some sort running at all times from now on i.e. as one ends another will start soon after, so you're all welcome to join.

I might even do a divisional thing, if enough people are interested, with promotions and relegations etc.

[Alex Smith]

Well that could be cool. A lot of work though to keep one constantly going.

[Alex Smith]

C'mon people 12-5!? A brand new Accuser Corps!! :tongue: :biggrin:

[Novaya Havoc]

I DESPISE Boogie, and also think that HouseSolo has a winning strategy.

As the CHAMPION!! of the Mutant League this year, I declare that my comments are valid. Nothing defeats the Super Skrull.

But do I hate Boogie enough to vote?

[Boogie]

I DESPISE Boogie, and also think that HouseSolo has a winning strategy.

As the CHAMPION!! of the Mutant League this year, I declare that my comments are valid. Nothing defeats the Super Skrull.

But do I hate Boogie enough to vote?

You can drink bleach and die for all i f***ing care. I Don't need you're F***ing vote.

[Boogie]

Ya, they've been a lot of fun.

If they do a DC or Avengers League I hope you two participate in that too. I know Mutant League just ended so I can't imagine there will be a new one of those soon.

Seriously House, Both Pachie and I loved our matches together. You are an awesome dude, and as i said earlier, im glad i joined this league and got a chance to chat with ya. Meeting people outside the Xboards is fun! We shall dedicate our next macth to you man. ;)

But seriously dude, this was a great strategy by you. One of your best. Just, not good enough. :p

Good luck in your rumbles league. PM us when your matches are so we can read them.

[Alex Smith]

Seriously House, Both Pachie and I loved our matches together. You are an awesome dude, and as i said earlier, im glad i joined this league and got a chance to chat with ya. Meeting people outside the Xboards is fun! We shall dedicate our next macth to you man. ;)

But seriously dude, this was a great strategy by you. One of your best. Just, not good enough. :p

Good luck in your rumbles league. PM us when your matches are so we can read them.

Haha, you can count on that. I think those of us that are participating that aren't generally rumble board people are going to need all the help we can get :tongue:

Anyway, next league that comes up you guys better join. I'm looking forward to yet another re-match.

[CyberHubbs]

Haha, you can count on that. I think those of us that are participating that aren't generally rumble board people are going to need all the help we can get :tongue:

Anyway, next league that comes up you guys better join. I'm looking forward to yet another re-match.

Part of me feels it won't matter how good our strategies are in Rumbles. There are mainstays there, and they have many friends.

But we'll see.

[Alex Smith]

Part of me feels it won't matter how good our strategies are in Rumbles. There are mainstays there, and they have many friends.

But we'll see.

I get that same feeling, a bit. At least from some people. I don't think KJS will be that way, but who knows how it's going to go over all. The Rumble boards are a weird place :tongue:

[CyberHubbs]

I get that same feeling, a bit. At least from some people. I don't think KJS will be that way, but who knows how it's going to go over all. The Rumble boards are a weird place :tongue:

Yes. Yes, they are.

Part of me likes the Rumble boards, but then you peel away that top layer and realize they have terms. TERMS! Planet-buster an' all that noise. Then you begin to become aware of the craziness.