Power Girl gets her own ongoing series!!!!

[Kid Kamikaze10]

A Power Girl on-going series coming up, and I couldn't be any happier!

http://www.newsarama.com/nycomiccon2008/DC/powergirl.html

written by Justin Gray and Jimmy Palmiotti, with art by Amanda Conner!!!!!

YES!!!

[titanfan]

He failed to mention if PG's cat was going to be a big part of the series. If the cat is out, so am I.

[Agent_Torpor]

Now that's what I needed to hear! The great PG in her own series, drawn by the nonpareil Amanda Conner?

The perfect news to help me get over my Catwoman loss. It's a start.

[DDM]

I will add Power Girl to my list.

[MythicBrawn]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last? Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.

[Jack Zodiac]

Palmiotti and Gray? Eh, that's pretty neat, I guess. I was kinda hopin' Johns would write it, but...

Amanda Conner on art? Mother!@#$in' sold!

[rwe1138]

I'm so there.

[IamtheRock3]

nice that they giving her, her own Rouges gallery

Think that where super girl fails

[DonC]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last?

I'd put the over/under at 24 issues. And bet under.


Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.


And hopefully Gillian Anderson will bump into me at the mall and decide she wants to have freaky-deaky sex. I'm not counting on either happening, though.

[IamtheRock3]

why shy away from two of the best things going for here

listen Cheescake and PG is two things that hard to seperatre

Woman got a Boob Hole for crying out loud.
it ways to make a good character while having the cheescake element as well

[Eliseu Gouveia]

BEST NEWS I´VE HEARD ALL WEEK!

Bring it!

[Khan Zor-El]

He failed to mention if PG's cat was going to be a big part of the series. If the cat is out, so am I.

Who gives a damn about a cat? I hope Adam Hughes does some covers.

[DWEarhart]

I'd put the over/under at 24 issues. And bet under.

I'll be generous: high thirties, low fourties. Gotta go through a few creative teams first.

What was the last DC solo book people were clamoring for? And is it still being produced?

[Kid Kyoto]

that is good news, thanks

[foxley]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last? Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.

Who's to say it can't have both?

I'll certainly be checking it out. (Er, the book that is, not Power Girl's assets. Although I'm sure I'll be seeing those as well.)

[Chiroptera]

I'll buy it for the art alone, but the writing has me pretty pleased to.

But wow, Amanda doing the art... That's amazing, she's pretty much tops for me when it comes to drawing PG.

[Fatguy]

Definitely, definitely excited for this. Easily my favorite female comic character and a great creative team = sold!

[DWEarhart]

How long do you all give this creative team to last?

I see Amanda Conner leaving first. Maybe after a year.

[lonewolf23k]

Who gives a damn about a cat? I hope Adam Hughes does some covers.

PG's cat is an important part of her characterisation over the years.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Palmoitti and Grey were doing a great job on Hawkman til DC ruined that. I believe that DC's gonna have to promote and push this book to make it last. I believe it will last at least 25-30 issues . Powergirl is a character who has never had her own series and in todays market...its a tough sell.

Least Judd Winick isn't writing it. Or Powergirl would likely have tons of nude scenes and be having pages of hot sex with Ted Grant.:tongue:

[Kage Kisaragi]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last? Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.

I'm hoping it goes on forever, but a part of me wants it to drop down and burn. Namely because I fear the idea of Karen having a private life, ugh.... wait brain storm. It would be cool if she had a private life (that including romance) if the guy she dated was totally blind. That way there is no mistaking that any feelings that arise from him are pure and not because she has a huge freaking rack. :biggrin:

Anyone else have any suggestions? I will definitely give it a go, I love her classified 4 parter, and its funny because at work today, I was working on a sketch of PG in a new costume. (don't have a scanner)... so it must have been some kind of omen, though to be honest this is like the 4th time I've seen this thread or a thread like it in the last year.

Something else just occurred to me, with Conners on this, when will Terra's new on going series begin?

Just watched the interview with Didio, uhhh.. not liking this Secret Identify thing. I mean it was kind of inevitable but I was so into her being a Superhero 24/7.. To be honest it meant she'd be saving more lives than Clark does by years end. I mean think about all the people who probably aren't getting helped because Superman wants to play with normal people 8-12 hours day. Still what really worries me now after watching that clip is that Karen my be staying on Earth 2, (assuming that is the big reveal at the end of the annual.)

[DonC]

I'll be generous: high thirties, low fourties. Gotta go through a few creative teams first.

If they can tell engaging stories, it'll last longer than an all-cheesecake title. But all-cheesecake is the easy route. We'll have to see where DC takes the book.

What was the last DC solo book people were clamoring for? And is it still being produced?

Clamoring for? I'd say Nightwing. But I honestly don't see many people clamoring for a PG book. Present company excepted.

[DWEarhart]

Nope. PG is long forgotten in mainstream DCU. Those boobs and that booty are being put to use, fer sure.

I see Palmiotti and Gray sticking arond for maybe a year and a half.

[dan bailey]

How long do you all give this creative team to last?

I see Amanda Conner leaving first. Maybe after a year.

I doubt she'll last even that long, simply because she's pretty slow. (Which isn't a criticism -- heck, along with Cliff Chiang she's easily my favorite among today's crop of artists, not that the likes of Mike Allred, Leonard Kirk, etc exactly make my eyes hurt, either -- but simply a statement of fact, one that it seems to me I've seen her acknowledge in print mor than once.)

Not that it really matters to me ... I mean, yes, I love the idea of Conner drawing PG (the JSA Classified arc had a lot to do with getting me back into actively buying new comics after a hiatus of some 25 years), but I also love the character, period, & off the top of my head I can't really think of anyone not named Rob Liefeld whom DC might put on the title who would dampen my enthusiasm appreciably.

Anyway, yes, great news after a disappointing round of cancellations (Catwoman, All-New Atom).

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Damn, so many naysayers....

I hope the book lasts forever, Jimmy, Justin and Amanda are an amazing team that´ll take Karen to great heights.

[DWEarhart]

I'm glad for those that have wanted this to happen, but high-profile creators (depending on what you consider high-profile) will not stay on a monthly mainstream book even if they're exclusive. They'e exclusive because they've been promised other things.

If they have original projects to push, that's what they're going to push. The mainstream projects are nice for a paycheck.

[krammocon]

Soooo much HAPPY that I'll finally be able to hold in my hands a POWER frickin GIRL comic book. Will definitely be getting this. Count me IN for the ride! Hope the Creative Team stays long if not forever.. Thanks Jimmy and Justin for showing interest. And thanks to Amanda for comin' aboard. Oh and thanks to Didio for finally listening.. :)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

These are exciting times, first Gail on Wonder Woman, now Jimmy, Justin and Amanda on PeeGee.

So.... would now be a bad time to ask for that Birds of Prey-esque teenage superteam comic starring:
Supergirl
Wondergirl
Stargirl
Batgirl
Mary Marvel
Misfit
Spoiler
Black Alice

Hey, in for a penny..... :cool:

[Kage Kisaragi]

These are exciting times, first Gail on Wonder Woman, now Jimmy, Justin and Amanda on PeeGee.

So.... would now be a bad time to ask for that Birds of Prey-esque teenage superteam comic starring:
Supergirl
Batgirl
Black Alice

Hey, in for a penny..... :cool:

Fix'd that for you. :biggrin:

[dan bailey]

So.... would now be a bad time to ask for that comic starring:

Black Alice

Even better! (Off the top of my head, I'd have to say she's the only character out there, at least at DC [Marvel's Squirrel Girl holds the same distinction], whose appearance on a cover guarantees that I'll buy a comic.)

[foxley]

These are exciting times, first Gail on Wonder Woman, now Jimmy, Justin and Amanda on PeeGee.

So.... would now be a bad time to ask for that Birds of Prey-esque teenage superteam comic starring:
Supergirl
Wondergirl
Stargirl
Batgirl
Mary Marvel
Misfit
Spoiler
Black Alice

Hey, in for a penny..... :cool:

In a hot tub... :biggrin:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

In a hot tub... :biggrin:


Guys, guys, I was thinking about an all-ages book.

[princesa]

They couldn't have put together a better team with P&G writing, their Daughters of the Dragon was terrific. I will peep it just for them, they write females well.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Even better! (Off the top of my head, I'd have to say she's the only character out there, at least at DC [Marvel's Squirrel Girl holds the same distinction], whose appearance on a cover guarantees that I'll buy a comic.)

Amen! Alice Alice shes so cool beat those goth bitches back in school.

We should have a Black Alice watch, and just cite Black Alice appearances.

[Libaax]

Normally i dont care about Power Girl at all. I dont care for her really only with the lame look that shows her two bs so clearly in your face. Dumbest female look i have ever seen in famous comics.


This i will look after reviews and what the fans say about this series only cause the writers i like since they write the only great western there is.

[Robo Ape]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last? Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.

Well this will be a test to see or not if it proves or dis-proves the theory that female led superhero titles don't last.

I am glad they have decided to do this, but I am pessimistic about it lasting that long & not just because she is a female character but also because she isn't as well known as a character as say Catwoman or Wonder Woman & if Catwoman can have her title axed & wonder Woman has low sales than what chance does this title have?

I am glad at least to see they have picked some good people to work on it. But I hate to say this but you just know their going to sell it on the T & A factor & not the writing in spite of the people they have employed.:(

[kenjeffrey]

I'm looking forward to this one. I actually like the character as well as her really impressive chest.

[IamtheRock3]

promblem with Black Alice is the same promblem with Zantana

is she might have a tendecy to be uses a plot device

Cause people would just ask

"WHY NOT JUST SAY POTS and in this thing"

[Eumenides]

Funny that they announce this shortly after they announce Catwoman has been cancelled. DC must have a policy on the number of of comics with female leads they'll publish each month.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Not necessarily.
No female lead comic ever took the place left vacant by Batgirl´s demise.

[Shellhead]

I've been very skeptical about a Power Girl ongoing, but this is an impressive creative team. I enjoyed Palmiotti and Gray's work on both Hawkman and Jonah Hex, and Amanda Connor does have an entertaining style. It will be interesting to see how they come up with a supporting cast and a rogue's gallery, because Power Girl has been around for over 20 years now without getting much character development, let alone regular villains or even friends who aren't superheroes.

[WorstThingUS]

Normally i dont care about Power Girl at all. I dont care for her really only with the lame look that shows her two bs so clearly in your face. Dumbest female look i have ever seen in famous comics.



The only thing sadder than PG's total cheesecake look is the way they duck any responsibility for it. Geoff Johns did a very nice job for giving a legit reason for the hole rather than rely on the painfully stupid "Female characters are half-naked because it distracts bad guys" (though he played that game too). In a nice retcon of her time on earth, she ripped it out to symbolize the hole she felt when she found out she wasn't related to Superman at all. Well, it's been established so the hole should be filled. Little boys who need whack off material should just go buy Maxim.

And speaking of retcons, will the series follow the Infinite Crisis retcon of Power Girl essentially being raised by Clark and Lois of Earth-2, making her more his daughter than sister? That's another nice change I liked.

But the book won't make two years. If cheesecake superheroes sold, the shelves would be filled with them.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

But the book won't make two years. If cheesecake superheroes sold, the shelves would be filled with them.

I sort of agree with you until this part.

Not everyone sees PG as just a cheesecake character, or see every female character that may dress more provocative as a "cheesecake character". If that was the case, then Catwoman's title wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as it did.

When the talent and stories are good, the title will succeed, hopefully.

[vitruvian]

Might it not be time for her to change her name to Power *Woman*? Especially considering she's been hanging out with the KC Superman; who, by the way, should be crossing over to books other than JSA, methinks.

Hopefully they'll also bring her back to being a successful business woman, and now that her Kryptonian (albeit from an alternate Earth) origins have been restored, keep her powered up to Superman/Supergirl levels, as she should be.

[MythicBrawn]

Little boys who need whack off material should just go buy Maxim.


There in lies the dilemma. Little boys can't buy Maxim. Or, can they? As much as putting a good team on the book may say otherwise, I think we all know it will be about T&A. Interesting that she didn't get a book during the bad girl era. She would have been a shoo-in. Maybe, this will revive the genre.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

As much as putting a good team on the book may say otherwise, I think we all know it will be about T&A.

I don't think so. Was Catwoman just T&A? Was Manhunter? Batgirl? BOP? They all have "good looking" superheroines, so why is Power Girl the only exception?

I really don't like the trend that I'm seeing right now.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I don't think so. Was Catwoman just T&A? Was Manhunter? Batgirl? BOP? They all have "good looking" superheroines, so why is Power Girl the only exception?

I really don't like the trend that I'm seeing right now.

Ignore them they are all haters. They wont even give her a chance, but we'll show them.. Karen will be number one. We will see to this. :)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

Preach it!

[Robo Ape]

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

That's all very well saying that but how often has the writing been up to scratch when it comes to PG?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

That's all very well saying that but how often has the writing been up to scratch when it comes to PG?

The JSA Classified arc was great, even though I don't particularly like Johns take on the character.

She was great in Giffen Era JLA, and I like the JSA one-shot story with her against Da Bomb. She can be utilized as the character Eliseu described, and was before and a little after COIE.

The writers should go back to that, and from what they said in the interview, I think they will. She has plenty of story potential, even more so than any other member of the Superman Family because she doesn't associate herself to Superman.

[Kage Kisaragi]

That's all very well saying that but how often has the writing been up to scratch when it comes to PG?

Since she became chairperson of the JSA, I'd say very well. Even in her classified 4 parter she was written remarkably well. She wasn't a ornery bitch, she was just a person who had some super problems that needed straightening out. No overtly sexitized life, heck she even jokes about how people perceive her. I thought that was cool and yes guys are gonna get turned on by her, that is unless they don't like big chest, blonds with blue eyes but doesn't mean that PeeGee is making them look or forcing them to come on to her.

[Jack Zodiac]

Little boys who need whack off material should just go buy Maxim.

With the Internets, there's way better stuff for kids to whack off to than slightly provocative comics books. Near-Maxim whack off material is crap like Churchill's Titans. Amanda Conner's tastefully sexy Power Girl, on the other hand, is a lot less sexual and a lot more artistic. But hey, I guess if a kid's hard pressed enough, he can whack off to anything, right?

Palmiotti and Gray are a mixed bag for me. Very limited exposure to female superheroes of theirs, but they managed to write a variety of female characters in Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters, from Phantom Lady to Ms. America, two opposite sides of the coin where personality is concerned. I think they could get a hold of Karen's personality well, and with Amanda on the team, and her previous exposure to the character, and her progressive understanding of Power Girl after a couple years of fans coming at her from all sides asking about her, I think the team could be a good fit.

But however the writing goes, at least the art's gonna be fantastic. Strong, powerful, sexy art instead of gratuitously sexual pin-up crap.

[FemGeek]

Im totally buying this, can't wait :biggrin: I loved the JSA claasified story and was bummed when they never did a PG story again.

[WorstThingUS]

I sort of agree with you until this part.

Not everyone sees PG as just a cheesecake character, or see every female character that may dress more provocative as a "cheesecake character". If that was the case, then Catwoman's title wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as it did.

When the talent and stories are good, the title will succeed, hopefully.

I'm sorry, but Amanda Connor's artwork is nothing but. Granted it's as much for humor as titillation, but still, it's cheesecake. The men are simply not drawn the same sexually exaggerated way. Her breasts are literally bigger than her head! And before someone says, "But so are Superman's muscles" let me point out that Superman lifts planets. Unless PG is breast feeding a third world country it's utterly stupid. She's already half-naked. What else do you need? Also, Palmotti & Gray's totally dismissive attitude lets you know they won't even try to make it more from their end.

I dropped Birds of Prey because I tired of Ed Benes' nonsense. This won't even get picked up.

I don't think so. Was Catwoman just T&A? Was Manhunter? Batgirl? BOP? They all have "good looking" superheroines, so why is Power Girl the only exception?


At her best under Brubaker, Catwoman wasn't drawn like a porn star. Neither were Manhunter or Batgirl. And Ed Benes dragged BOP down to the point were even writer Gail Simone took exception to his work. So long as PG is half-naked with giant boobs and a hole on her chest to show them, she will be T&A first, everything else second.

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Yeah, but these sad people are writing and drawing the comics.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

Show me the half-naked male character like this please.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

An intelligent woman wouldn't wear that outfit, much less Superman's cousin.

Oh, and shouldn't this thread be under Superman? This is Kara Zor-El after all.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Power Boy would be the male version your looking for, but then we found out he was a stalker and abusive, not to mention psychotic. But everything else matches. :)

[Shellhead]

Show me the half-naked male character like this please.


I can only think of a couple off-hand. Prince Namor and Ka-Zar, a couple of Marvel characters.

EDIT: oh, and Luke Cage's shirts used to get gratuitously shredded on a regular basis, so he should be included.

[Jack Zodiac]

I dropped Birds of Prey because I tired of Ed Benes' nonsense. This won't even get picked up.

There's a huge world of difference between cheesecake (Conner, Hughes, Cho) and pin-up (Churchill, Benes, Turner) art that you're either ignorant of or purposely ignoring. You could just say that seeing sexy comic book characters makes you uncomfortable since that seems to be the case, more than you having some moral superiority over anybody who enjoys artists who can draw sexy women without over-sexualizing them.

I can only think of a couple off-hand. Prince Namor and Ka-Zar, a couple of Marvel characters.

EDIT: oh, and Luke Cage's shirts used to get gratuitously shredded on a regular basis, so he should be included.

Shang-Chi, most of the time, and Iron Fist would lose his shirt pretty often. Batman too, sometimes. Kirk-style. Also, Hawkman's strutting around all hairy and barrel-chested. Wolverine would often "go tribal" too and lose his shirt, which I guess is sexy... if you like tiny, hairy Canadians.

[WorstThingUS]

There's a huge world of difference between cheesecake (Conner, Hughes, Cho) and pin-up (Churchill, Benes, Turner) art that you're either ignorant of or purposely ignoring. You could just say that seeing sexy comic book characters makes you uncomfortable since that seems to be the case, more than you having some moral superiority over anybody who enjoys artists who can draw sexy women without over-sexualizing them.

But they're incapable of not oversexualizing Compare the "Favorite Superman Pics" thread to the "Favorite Supergirl/Power Girl Pics" threads and you'll see.

And be it cheesecake or pin-up, both contain sexual exaggerations (oversized breasts & buttocks, provacative posing) pertaining only to the female quotient. That's what I take exception to. I understand it's a business selling mostly to adolescent males (be it emotionally or chronologically) and drawn by guys who are either fat or bald or both, but these over-the-top sexualized depictions are all either ridiculous to the point of distraction (Benes, Turner, Churchill, Connor) or often at odds with the very characters they depict. Superman's cousin is not running around half-naked with her boobs hanging out, period. Someone inspired by Batman, only more brutal is not dressing like Britney Spears (but that change has thankfully been undone in recent years). I keep reading, "Oh, but it doesn't matter if the story is good." Well if the story is what matters so much why can't they be drawn outside of a softcore porn style?

I've got no problem with sex or nudity in my comics; what I have is problem with is the purient, adolescent depiction that 99% of all creators seem to share.

Shang-Chi, most of the time, and Iron Fist would lose his shirt pretty often. Batman too, sometimes. Kirk-style. Also, Hawkman's strutting around all hairy and barrel-chested. Wolverine would often "go tribal" too and lose his shirt, which I guess is sexy... if you like tiny, hairy Canadians.

This lame list more than proves my point. Losing your clothes in a fight and showing up half-naked are two entirely different things.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Wait whos to say that the men aren't overly sexized. I mean what do women find physical attractive about men? I personally find us guys to be incredible hideous creatures in comparison to the female body but for some reason they still want to touch us? :confused:

If you say its beefcake guys, then every comic book male now fits the book as there is no out of shape superheroes.

If you says its broad chins then, man Superman and Batman must be swimming in pootang. As well as any non boyish male character. By boyish I mean of course guys like Jimmy Olsen or Tim Drake.

How about eyes, what about their butts and crouches? Maybe those exposed underwear get the girls going. They aren't hiding much to the imagination either. I mean no wonder Nightwing is a chick magnet the guy has serious business going on down stairs. LOL Dick is a very suitable nick name for him apparently. :rolleyes:

Maybe as a guy who haven't noticed that male comic characters are whored out just as much as female ones. *nods sagely*

[TROUBLEZ]

What has Justin Gray written? I would have liked to seen that Geoff Johns was writing the character because I really liked her appearances in JLA Classified 1-4.

Either way, with Amanda Conner doing the art, I am very excited. What happened to Terra?

[Jack Zodiac]

But they're incapable of not oversexualizing Compare the "Favorite Superman Pics" thread to the "Favorite Supergirl/Power Girl Pics" threads and you'll see.

Right, and all of that art is primarily from guys like Michael Turner, and Ian Churchill, and Ed Benes. Cheap pin-up art for teenage boys, and surprise surprise, the majority of the people involved in those threads are probably teenage boys. Go over to YABS and read the thread about Adam Hughes' recent promo picture of DC's leading ladies. Nobody's verbally masturbating over Power Girl's rack or Zatanna's fishnets, everyone's appreciating the man's art for the tastefully sexy art it is. "You'll see."
(http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=218111)
And be it cheesecake or pin-up, both contain sexual exaggerations (oversized breasts & buttocks, provacative posing) pertaining only to the female quotient. That's what I take exception to. I understand it's a business selling mostly to adolescent males (be it emotionally or chronologically) and drawn by guys who are either fat or bald or both, but these over-the-top sexualized depictions are all either ridiculous to the point of distraction (Benes, Turner, Churchill, Connor) or often at odds with the very characters they depict. Superman's cousin is not running around half-naked with her boobs hanging out, period. Someone inspired by Batman, only more brutal is not dressing like Britney Spears (but that change has thankfully been undone in recent years). I keep reading, "Oh, but it doesn't matter if the story is good." Well if the story is what matters so much why can't they be drawn outside of a softcore porn style?

I don't know if you're being antagonist for the sake of it, or if you're projecting, but when you water down your already weak and stupid "argument"/opinion-vomiting with horse!@#$ like "fat bald men" and "teenage boys whacking off," you come across like a !@#$ing idiot, and any validity your crappy point may have had is completely lost.

Amanda's art doesn't exaggerate anything that isn't meant to be exaggerated. Power Girl, as a character, has a large chest, and has always had a large chest, ever since Wally Wood drew her forever ago. She didn't give Stargirl huge tits in her JSA Classified run. She didn't give Hawkgirl a massive rack and tiny waist. She drew all of these female characters exactly like they're supposed to be drawn. And Power Girl is supposed to be drawn like a tall, muscular, chesty woman.

I've got no problem with sex or nudity in my comics; what I have is problem with is the purient, adolescent depiction that 99% of all creators seem to share.

It sounds like you have a problem with sex in general. Like, you can't disassociate sexiness from sexuality. Because that overblown "99%" of creators you make mention of who draw stick-thin, big-titted women in all of their comics, they aren't drawing sexy women, they're drawing women as sex objects, in effeminate poses with exaggerated features, so that they look more like models in superhero costumes than powerful, self-sure superheroes. Amanda Conner? Adam Hughes? Darwyn Cooke? They draw sexy women without reducing them to sexual objects, giving them powerful physical traits, strong, dynamic poses, and facial expressions that don't make them look like they're being asked to remove their closes if they "wanna make it big."

Every problem you voice with Amanda's art is either a projection or misconception. Or your a time displaced Puritan who stumbled into an Internet café with a wild, stupid hair up his ass.

This lame list more than proves my point. Losing your clothes in a fight and showing up half-naked are two entirely different things.

Your face is lame! And who the !@#$ is showing up to fights half-naked? Besides Starfire? And most Marvel characters circa-1995? And no, it isn't different, at least not for people who can disassociate sex and sexuality with a little bit of cartoon flesh. Tasteful, completely innocuous cartoon flesh. If you were arguing just the pin-up guys like Churchill and Turner here, I could understand, but Conner? Jesus Christ.

[Jack Zodiac]

What has Justin Gray written?

Pretty much anything Jimmy Palmiotti's ever plotted. In the Pamiotti/Gray team, Justin's the scripter, Jimmy's the plotter.

[Robo Ape]

Since she became chairperson of the JSA, I'd say very well. Even in her classified 4 parter she was written remarkably well. She wasn't a ornery bitch, she was just a person who had some super problems that needed straightening out. No overtly sexitized life, heck she even jokes about how people perceive her. I thought that was cool and yes guys are gonna get turned on by her, that is unless they don't like big chest, blonds with blue eyes but doesn't mean that PeeGee is making them look or forcing them to come on to her.

I liked her Classified four part story, very well written & constrained art work too which was good. Made a change to see such a decent bit of writing for the character.

Just an aside isn't she virtually as strong as Supergirl, never been too clear on this or is she meant to be stronger?

[KET]

Go over to YABS and read the thread about Adam Hughes' recent promo picture of DC's leading ladies. Nobody's verbally masturbating over Power Girl's rack or Zatanna's fishnets, everyone's appreciating the man's art for the tastefully sexy art it is.

Or just verbally masterbating over the fact that it's not Michael Turner art,
for a change. :biggrin:

Kinda hard for folks to be talking about Zatanna's fishnets when they aren't even in that poster artwork. Hughes still managed to include a boob window for PG, though.

Still, it's a LAME Vanity Fair/Vogue cover rip-off. Taking DC's super-women out of their 'power suits' reduces them to merely being bland eye candy. The new poster seems more like Hughes still trying to restore his own credibility after the Mary Jane statue fiasco.


Amanda's art doesn't exaggerate anything that isn't meant to be exaggerated.

Now that's a load of crap, dude. Conner's art is often exaggerating just for the sake of a joke on the character. For example, half of her SUPERGIRL fill-in issue exaggerated Kara's awkwardness in socializing at a nightclub.

Granted, Conner's art displays far more prowess in facial and body expression in a single frame than Turner, Churchill or Benes will EVER do in their entire careers. But Conner's not without her own innate weaknesses as a artist, either.

Continuing to work with hacks like Jimmy Palmiotti is one of them. I strongly suspect that the end result of their upcoming PG series will likely resemble a watered-down version of THE PRO. :rolleyes:

[Kage Kisaragi]

I liked her Classified four part story, very well written & constrained art work too which was good. Made a change to see such a decent bit of writing for the character.

Just an aside isn't she virtually as strong as Supergirl, never been too clear on this or is she meant to be stronger?

Yeah shes as strong (though I think she should have been stronger) than Kara, my reasoning is that I believe it was stated some where that the Earth 2 kryptonians were some what stronger, at least the older Superman definitely seemed more capable than new earth Superman. Then again new universe Kara did have a unjustified power boost, she was faster than Superman and apparently hits just as hard even though shes half his size and well is female. Where as Power Girl is twice her weight class and built like a brick house. I know they all get super strength but weight class should mean something here.

[WorstThingUS]

Right, and all of that art is primarily from guys like Michael Turner, and Ian Churchill, and Ed Benes. Cheap pin-up art for teenage boys, and surprise surprise, the majority of the people involved in those threads are probably teenage boys. Go over to YABS and read the thread about Adam Hughes' recent promo picture of DC's leading ladies. Nobody's verbally masturbating over Power Girl's rack or Zatanna's fishnets, everyone's appreciating the man's art for the tastefully sexy art it is. "You'll see."
(http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=218111)


I don't know if you're being antagonist for the sake of it, or if you're projecting, but when you water down your already weak and stupid "argument"/opinion-vomiting with horse!@#$ like "fat bald men" and "teenage boys whacking off," you come across like a !@#$ing idiot, and any validity your crappy point may have had is completely lost.

As opposed to your constant taunts and insults? You're seriously incapable of a discussion without them. And most comic book creators are either bald or fat or both. Your average panel looks like a Weight Watcher's meeting crossed with a Rogaine seminar. Sorry if this touches a nerve for you.

Amanda's art doesn't exaggerate anything that isn't meant to be exaggerated. Power Girl, as a character, has a large chest, and has always had a large chest, ever since Wally Wood drew her forever ago. She didn't give Stargirl huge tits in her JSA Classified run. She didn't give Hawkgirl a massive rack and tiny waist. She drew all of these female characters exactly like they're supposed to be drawn. And Power Girl is supposed to be drawn like a tall, muscular, chesty woman.

You're kidding yourself if you're talking about Amanda Conner. To her credit at least she knows it's a joke. Also, Joe Orlando designed her costume, Rick Estrada first drew her and when Wally Wood did actually draw PG he closed the hole! Not to mention Wood increased her boob size as a joke to see if anyone at DC would stop him and they never did. If you put as much energy into research as you do into being needlessly rude and insulting you'd know these things.

http://members.aol.com/linaskye/pgas64.298x532.gif


It sounds like you have a problem with sex in general. Like, you can't disassociate sexiness from sexuality. Because that overblown "99%" of creators you make mention of who draw stick-thin, big-titted women in all of their comics, they aren't drawing sexy women, they're drawing women as sex objects, in effeminate poses with exaggerated features, so that they look more like models in superhero costumes than powerful, self-sure superheroes. Amanda Conner? Adam Hughes? Darwyn Cooke? They draw sexy women without reducing them to sexual objects, giving them powerful physical traits, strong, dynamic poses, and facial expressions that don't make them look like they're being asked to remove their closes if they "wanna make it big."

Every problem you voice with Amanda's art is either a projection or misconception. Or your a time displaced Puritan who stumbled into an Internet café with a wild, stupid hair up his ass.

Adam Hughes draws sex objects. He does it well, but you're kidding yourself saying he does heroic. That DC Women promo isn't heroic and that's why you'll never see the male equivalent. This is excellent "come hither" but not even remotely heroic either:

http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/17/JSAClassified1secondsm.png


Your face is lame! And who the !@#$ is showing up to fights half-naked? Besides Starfire? And most Marvel characters circa-1995? And no, it isn't different, at least not for people who can disassociate sex and sexuality with a little bit of cartoon flesh. Tasteful, completely innocuous cartoon flesh. If you were arguing just the pin-up guys like Churchill and Turner here, I could understand, but Conner? Jesus Christ.

You'll be hard-pressed to find a female superhero do who doesn't show up bare-legged, cleavage heavy with a stupidly exposed midriff.

And the only difference between Conner and the rest is that at least she's knows it's a joke when she does it. A joke you obviously don't get.

[Kage Kisaragi]

You'll be hard-pressed to find a female superhero do who doesn't show up bare-legged, cleavage heavy with a stupidly exposed midriff.


Female Superheroes/villains who aren't bare legged, cleavage and mid-driff heavy (*at least for DC)

Batgirl I (Barbara Gordon)
Batgirl II (Cassandra Cain)
Catwoman,
Crimson Fox,
Doctor Light, (Kimiyo Hoshi)
Flamebird,
Harley Quinn,
Lashina,
Judomaster,
Katana,
Mad Harriet,
Saturn Girl,
Stompa,
Thunder,
Triplicate Girl,

and im sure there are tons of others.

The majority of Legionaries that I remember or have seen (who are female) don't show anything other than what their skin tight suits reveal, same as the guys.

[drwho]

Does this mean super girl is finally getting canceled?

[Kage Kisaragi]

Does this mean super girl is finally getting canceled?

fraid not,

[Kid Kamikaze10]

As opposed to your constant taunts and insults? You're seriously incapable of a discussion without them. And most comic book creators are either bald or fat or both. Your average panel looks like a Weight Watcher's meeting crossed with a Rogaine seminar. Sorry if this touches a nerve for you.

He's right, you are coming off as a jerk. I think the taunts and insults towards you would stop if you could refrain from some of the condescending this you've said throughout the discussion.


You're kidding yourself if you're talking about Amanda Conner. To her credit at least she knows it's a joke. Also, Joe Orlando designed her costume, Rick Estrada first drew her and when Wally Wood did actually draw PG he closed the hole! Not to mention Wood increased her boob size as a joke to see if anyone at DC would stop him and they never did. If you put as much energy into research as you do into being needlessly rude and insulting you'd know these things.

http://members.aol.com/linaskye/pgas64.298x532.gif

And after Wally Wood was done drawing the character, those large boobs became a characteristic for her. Not the defining characteristic, but one of them. This wouldn't be the first time a character looks different than they initially did.

It was no longer a "joke" anymore since DC kept it as a physical feature of Power Girl. Don't see why a part of someone's body is joke anywho. Sounds like you would never respect a woman with big breast, which is ridiculous.




Adam Hughes draws sex objects. He does it well, but you're kidding yourself saying he does heroic. That DC Women promo isn't heroic and that's why you'll never see the male equivalent. This is excellent "come hither" but not even remotely heroic either:

http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/17/JSAClassified1secondsm.png


1) Some people do believe it looks heroic and iconic for PG. I know I do.

2) The look of heroism/heroics is different for men and women. If I saw a bunch of women doing muscular poses, killing a bunch of demons in a Conan-esque cover, that would be dumb.




I think you have a problem with sexuality in general, to be honest.

[krammocon]

I love Conner... :tongue:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4365/acpowergirlprintiy3.jpg

[Powerboy]

A Power Girl on-going series coming up, and I couldn't be any happier!

http://www.newsarama.com/nycomiccon2008/DC/powergirl.html

written by Justin Gray and Jimmy Palmiotti, with art by Amanda Conner!!!!!

YES!!!

Yes, I've been looking forward to a Powergirl comic and have often wondered why Supergirl gets a comic and Powergirl doesn't.

I love this quote:

NRAMA: Obviously, and as you briefly mentioned, with Power Girl, there's the cheesecake factor that's been a part of her character since it was created. Geoff and others have taken steps to work her appearance and costume into her character, but what view of it do you two have of it?

JG: This book isn’t going to be our platform for some kind of new age feminist commentary; it is a superhero comic book, an escapist fantasy starring a buxom blonde bombshell who can kick your ass into outer space. Some people are going to find fault with it just because of the costume and the bra size of the heroine and those people can bitch about it on the Google machine if they like because this is America baby! Home of the free!

[Powerboy]

Now the question is how long do you think it will last? Hopefully, it will prominently feature great stories instead of PG's assets.

My guess would be as long as the original creative team stays with it. Then a couple of bad creative teams that don't know what to do with it and the end. Or maybe it will be like Supergirl and keep going no matter how bad and incoherent it gets. But then again, Supergirl only took a nosedive when they had to work all the DC reality changes into the book.

[Kage Kisaragi]

JG: This book isn’t going to be our platform for some kind of new age feminist commentary; it is a superhero comic book, an escapist fantasy starring a buxom blonde bombshell who can kick your ass into outer space. Some people are going to find fault with it just because of the costume and the bra size of the heroine and those people can bitch about it on the Google machine if they like because this is America baby! Home of the free!

Okay, Thats what I'm talking about. :biggrin: Good Comic Times are a Comin!

[Powerboy]

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

My eyes tend to focus towards her chest but what I find interesting is that when you look at most of the female solo comics, Powergirl, Supergirl, even Witchblade, they tend to be dismissed as cheesecake but the actual stories and characterization have nothing to do with that. Its literally a case of being drawn that way. Just looking at the nice pictures and not actually reading the stories gives that T&A feeling.

Mind you, I'm not complaining. I think its maybe a reflection of what works in selling female characters to an audience that always has been and still is primarily male. I know there are women, feminists and otherwise, that compalin about the (visual) portrayal of female characters and how offensive it can be to female readers but that's against the reality of how many there are compared to male readers. In some ways, its walking a fence, providing a good story while the visuals tend to be cheesecake.

There's probably a catch because that cheesecake is an extra hook to draw in readers. It balances out againt the fact that many male readers would otherwise not be that interested in reading about a female character, maybe lack of identification, sexism, or whatever. Unfortunately, in the market such as it is, they are going to use any trick they can to get your attention. Powergirl's assets do that. But the book then has to be interesting beyond that to keep most people's attention.

[WorstThingUS]

He's right, you are coming off as a jerk. I think the taunts and insults towards you would stop if you could refrain from some of the condescending this you've said throughout the discussion.

There's a saying, "Don't fight with a pig. All you get is dirty and the pig likes it." I am guilty of fall prey to taunts and pig fighting. I should know better than to get into the mud. My apologies to those I've offended.

And after Wally Wood was done drawing the character, those large boobs became a characteristic for her. Not the defining characteristic, but one of them. This wouldn't be the first time a character looks different than they initially did.

It was no longer a "joke" anymore since DC kept it as a physical feature of Power Girl. Don't see why a part of someone's body is joke anywho. Sounds like you would never respect a woman with big breast, which is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous and I don't know how you came to that conclusion. And Wood was testing how much obvious exploitation they'd allow. You'd think someone with his history would know better not to under-estimate a willingness to pander.


1) Some people do believe it looks heroic and iconic for PG. I know I do.

2) The look of heroism/heroics is different for men and women. If I saw a bunch of women doing muscular poses, killing a bunch of demons in a Conan-esque cover, that would be dumb.

1) it's a sexual, pose period. You'll find it in every swimsuit, lingerie, nude photoshoot ever. If that's heroic, then there are girls posing "heroically" in Maxim, Playboy and Victoria's Secret on a regular basis.

2) No offense, but I think that actually says more about you, that you think Red Sonja looks dumb standing over the bodies of a bunch of dead demons while Conan does not. Why is it dumb exactly? How exactly should a female stand with a bloody sword after killing demons?

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=27166&zoom=2

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=30023&zoom=2

I think you have a problem with sexuality in general, to be honest.

No, just crappy, pandering adolescent portrayals of it. I simply don't believe female superheroes should pander so consistently to the lowest common denominator.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

There's a saying, "Don't fight with a pig. All you get is dirty and the pig likes it." I am guilty of fall prey to taunts and pig fighting. I should know better than to get into the mud. My apologies to those I've offended.

As long as you tone it down, I'm alright.


It is ridiculous and I don't know how you came to that conclusion. And Wood was testing how much obvious exploitation they'd allow. You'd think someone with his history would know better not to under-estimate a willingness to pander.

PG has had big breast for years, far after Woods got caught. At this point, it is a characteristic for her, much like Wolverine's hairstyle and Supes "square" jaw. It's no longer pandering, or a joke; it's a part of the character's physique.


1) it's a sexual, pose period. You'll find it in every swimsuit, lingerie, nude photoshoot ever. If that's heroic, then there are girls posing "heroically" in Maxim, Playboy and Victoria's Secret on a regular basis.

I don't see it like that, not within this context. It may be sexual, but here is what I also see.

I see her flying with the clouds, showing a more carefree and fun-loving side of her character.

I see her built and shaped physique which expresses her power and physical prowess.

I see her face, it's more regal, strong, brave, and bold. This definitely fits her character.

I don't know, maybe my eyes are fooling me, but that's what I see.


2) No offense, but I think that actually says more about you, that you think Red Sonja looks dumb standing over the bodies of a bunch of dead demons while Conan does not. Why is it dumb exactly? How exactly should a female stand with a bloody sword after killing demons?

In the case of Red Sonja, she may be taking out demons and such, but she's no longer "Conan with boobs". She does all these things that some men in her world can do, many times better, but maintain what makes her unique, different then the barbaric men of her time. That's the key, the part I forgot to say last statement.

Women have qualities that make them already better than men, and should be able to express themselves the way they want to. There's no need to act exactly like men in every way.

Another thing I forgot to say is that, when I meant "Conan-esque", I meant blood, sweat, dirt, and muscles budging, treasure all over the place, a stereotypical damsel on the side, the enemy brutally dead on the floor, etc etc. Unless it fits the character, it doesn't work as well.


No, just crappy, pandering adolescent portrayals of it. I simply don't believe female superheroes should pander so consistently to the lowest common denominator.

Neither do I.

[adam_warlock_2099]

Quote:
JG: This book isn’t going to be our platform for some kind of new age feminist commentary; it is a superhero comic book, an escapist fantasy starring a buxom blonde bombshell who can kick your ass into outer space. Some people are going to find fault with it just because of the costume and the bra size of the heroine and those people can bitch about it on the Google machine if they like because this is America baby! Home of the free!

Yeah, that's what I would say. Granted I probably won't buy this, for none other then monetary reasons, but I don't see the harm.

It's not like I am going to bad mouth someone for buying it, while trying to hide my collection of Nira X comics.

[Jack Zodiac]

There's a saying, "Don't fight with a pig. All you get is dirty and the pig likes it." I am guilty of fall prey to taunts and pig fighting. I should know better than to get into the mud. My apologies to those I've offended.

I started out civil here. You're the one who started peppering his weak opinion with snide commentary about comic book creators and fans. Which is par for the course when it comes to Internet conversations, apparently. Don't apologize if you don't mean it, though. If you intended to offend fat, bald comic book creators and socially awkward comic geeks with your comments, you can't truly be that apologetic when you most assuredly still think the same. Faking an apology is only going to offend those fat bald guys and chronic masturbaters even more.

[Robo Ape]

Yeah shes as strong (though I think she should have been stronger) than Kara, my reasoning is that I believe it was stated some where that the Earth 2 kryptonians were some what stronger, at least the older Superman definitely seemed more capable than new earth Superman. Then again new universe Kara did have a unjustified power boost, she was faster than Superman and apparently hits just as hard even though shes half his size and well is female. Where as Power Girl is twice her weight class and built like a brick house. I know they all get super strength but weight class should mean something here.

Thanks for the info, I got the impression that she was as least as strong as Kara but wasn't certain.

Talking of Kara how does she keep a monthly series going, I tried reading Supergirl for a while but gave up on it after a short while?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Thanks for the info, I got the impression that she was as least as strong as Kara but wasn't certain.

Talking of Kara how does she keep a monthly series going, I tried reading Supergirl for a while but gave up on it after a short while?

A really good fanbase helps, because the creative teams have been screwing up lately.

[Shellhead]

Not to mention Wood increased her boob size as a joke to see if anyone at DC would stop him and they never did.


Everybody "knows" that Wally Wood increased her breast size as a joke, that's the conventional internet wisdom these days. However, that may be a myth. Judge for yourself:

http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2006/05/power-girl-you-be-judge.html

EDIT: scroll down to see the comparative pictures.

[WorstThingUS]

I started out civil here. You're the one who started peppering his weak opinion with snide commentary about comic book creators and fans. Which is par for the course when it comes to Internet conversations, apparently. Don't apologize if you don't mean it, though. If you intended to offend fat, bald comic book creators and socially awkward comic geeks with your comments, you can't truly be that apologetic when you most assuredly still think the same. Faking an apology is only going to offend those fat bald guys and chronic masturbaters even more.

I wasn't apologizing to you. You remain a tool. I'm just sorry everyone watched me stoop to your level.

[Jack Zodiac]

Oink oink. :wink:

I don't expect, want, or need an apology. You're inoffensive to me, simply amusing.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Everybody "knows" that Wally Wood increased her breast size as a joke, that's the conventional internet wisdom these days. However, that may be a myth. Judge for yourself:

http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2006/05/power-girl-you-be-judge.html

EDIT: scroll down to see the comparative pictures.


Thanks for the link, Shellhead, it does go a long way in debunking the Wally Wood´s increasing breast size myth.

I have to confess I´ve been hearing about it for years as well but could never find anything wrong with it since PeeGee´s breast size seemed to retain the same size throughout Wally´s run.

[General Grievous]

This new ongoing could be interesting,

powergirl seems to be quite pop these last few years, I'll at least try one issue.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Thanks for the info, I got the impression that she was as least as strong as Kara but wasn't certain.

Talking of Kara how does she keep a monthly series going, I tried reading Supergirl for a while but gave up on it after a short while?

you might have liked the old new Kara. Try reading Loeb's Superman & Batman: Supergirl trade, follow that up with the first 3 Supergirl trades (Power, Identity,and Candor) those three contain the bulk of Kelly run in the initial being of the series and it was good though fans of Linda or Matrix may not agree. Kelly also kills his successful run toward the end of Identity and if you read it you'll understand why I don't buy the comic anymore. The team currently working on it now hasn't done much of anything other than make Kara into a heel for Superman now to.

[Robo Ape]

you might have liked the old new Kara. Try reading Loeb's Superman & Batman: Supergirl trade, follow that up with the first 3 Supergirl trades (Power, Identity,and Candor) those three contain the bulk of Kelly run in the initial being of the series and it was good though fans of Linda or Matrix may not agree. Kelly also kills his successful run toward the end of Identity and if you read it you'll understand why I don't buy the comic anymore. The team currently working on it now hasn't done much of anything other than make Kara into a heel for Superman now to.

I used to read the Supergirl series before the current one & thought it was excellent. That's why I picked up the current series at first, unfortunately it was nothing like that earlier series in any way, art or writing!:(

[AllisterH]

Now an actual non-breasts question/statement.

Peegee in my mind, has always been the one superhero that would've been the first of the list if the "Who loves being a superhero" gets asked.

I honestly can't see Peegee having a secret identity. Even though she'd never admit it, PG NEEDS to be a superhero and she probably does look slightly down on non-supers.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Now an actual non-breasts question/statement.

Peegee in my mind, has always been the one superhero that would've been the first of the list if the "Who loves being a superhero" gets asked.

I honestly can't see Peegee having a secret identity. Even though she'd never admit it, PG NEEDS to be a superhero and she probably does look slightly down on non-supers.

I agree with you 100%, I just think that the writers themselves would get bored if they had to write incredible action adventurers 100% of the time, so they wanna detox on it a little with a few pages of character direction/developement. We know Karen can be a hardass but we also know that when no ones looking she can be a real softy and believe it or not gets emotional.. I know for a fact that there are gonna be quite a few guest appearances as Karen finally tries to make some meaningful relationships in the DCU (I hope Supergirl becomes one of them, I still say they should have a big sister/little sister relationship). Not to say she doesn't have friends in the JSA, but we'll see her form friendships similar to the ones Supergirl formed back on Paradise Island (I much rather say this than Themiscyera or whatever the spelling is.)

Can't wait for the start of this series.

[Shellhead]

Now an actual non-breasts question/statement.

Peegee in my mind, has always been the one superhero that would've been the first of the list if the "Who loves being a superhero" gets asked.

I honestly can't see Peegee having a secret identity. Even though she'd never admit it, PG NEEDS to be a superhero and she probably does look slightly down on non-supers.

I suspect Kara has a grudging admiration for Ted Grant, the original Wildcat. The dude beat up the Injustice Gang singlehandedly, despite having one arm in a cast. And he did it without super powers.

[AllisterH]

I suspect Kara has a grudging admiration for Ted Grant, the original Wildcat. The dude beat up the Injustice Gang singlehandedly, despite having one arm in a cast. And he did it without super powers.

Actually, I think she would have even more respect for non-metas that are superheroes.

The normal populace? Eh, she loves being their protector but to live as one of them? Maybe I've been too influenced by that PG fanvid and also her JSA classified arc, but I get the distinct impression that not only is being a superhero all Peegee knows, somewhat sad is the fact that being a superhero is all Peegee WANTS to know.

Honestly, I can't blame her since really, being "normal citizen" in the DCU has to be so tedious/boring/powerless. I mean, even if you're president of the US, the average superhero probably gets more respect from the press than you do (I betcha Lois Lane/Vicki Vale/Linda Park go easier on supers than on politicians)

[Kage Kisaragi]

Did you just do a 180 on your previous post? Sounds like your kind of bashing PeeGee now. :evilangry: You are not PG club member anymore. Hand over your PG Decoder Ring and autographed pin up poster. :evilsmile:

Still, I don't think its sad, Karen has enough on her plate as is with the JSA and now her solo exploits. I mean if she wants casual meaningless sex I'm 100% sure she can obtain it without much effort from Supers or Non Meta people whether they be in the hero community, the villain community or the general populous. Other than that there isn't much else she needs. She already has millions of dollars, has a few hobbies, are place to live and rest her head outside of the JSA brown stone. I mean come on what else is there? The need for tedious work place politics, and pandering? Karen's new series should indeed be about escapism from what we know is the norm, not just for her norm but ours as well.

I don't mind Karen deciding she wants to have a long term relationship if thats what the writers decide to write about. I don't mind her picking up a new part time job just to meet people. I don't mind her deciding to try and get to know normal people in general so long as it all makes sense in that its something that Karen would do at that current time and place. Like I said, she has money so any job she takes cannot be to serious and important to her, she knows shes damn fine so any man she decides to get intimate with cannot be a dominating character who takes up to much of the spot light (thank of a Lois Lane type but a guy.), definite can't be as preachy and smart mouthed as Lois either or he might lose his teeth. (I still say he should be blind to.) friends is the one thing that Karen does need, she needs girlfriends to which as far as I can tell she has none and I don't know to many women who don't have a gaggle of friends.

[AllisterH]

Eh, not talking about sex:eek:

I'm just thinking that Peegee as a character would never enjoy "normal" stuff. For example, Spidey genuinely enjoyed being a teacher, She-Hulk loves being a lawyer, Clark is proud of his accomplishments as a reporter and many other heroes like their mundane existence.

Peegee? What would you say her non-super related interests are?

EDIT: Beside, I'm always the first to mention why I like PG and I can state that even without referring to her assets :)

[Shellhead]

Eh, not talking about sex:eek:

I'm just thinking that Peegee as a character would never enjoy "normal" stuff. For example, Spidey genuinely enjoyed being a teacher, She-Hulk loves being a lawyer, Clark is proud of his accomplishments as a reporter and many other heroes like their mundane existence.

Peegee? What would you say her non-super related interests are?

EDIT: Beside, I'm always the first to mention why I like PG and I can state that even without referring to her assets :)

Good points. Looking at personal ads, you often see people mention some pretty typical interests... dining out, seeing movies, long walks, live music, cuddling, etc. Power Girl seems rough around the edges, so I have trouble picturing dressing up nice to go to a fancy restaurant, and her superhero job is much more interesting or exciting than most movies. Long walks? She flies alone. And Kara definitely doesn't seem like she would enjoy shopping, gossiping with female friends, or going to the spa.

[Lunal]

Very cool, I've been waiting for this since I first hit puberty!

[AllisterH]

Good points. Looking at personal ads, you often see people mention some pretty typical interests... dining out, seeing movies, long walks, live music, cuddling, etc. Power Girl seems rough around the edges, so I have trouble picturing dressing up nice to go to a fancy restaurant, and her superhero job is much more interesting or exciting than most movies. Long walks? She flies alone. And Kara definitely doesn't seem like she would enjoy shopping, gossiping with female friends, or going to the spa.

Exactly.

Remember the 1st issue of Astro City where Samaritan seems so unhappy since he's alway on-call but does it because he feels a responsibility to it? Peegee would smack him upside the head for being emo.

[DerekPrime]

I love Power Girl as she's my favourite heroine (4th favourite superhero period) so I'm looking forward to her finally getting a regular series. That said, I'm trying to keep things in perceptive cause I can't see Amanda Conner lasting more than a handful of issues and I'm worried it'll go the way of the mess that Supergirl turned into (revolving door creators and no set themes).

So I'm keeping cautiously optimistic, and I'm adding it to my pull list. But yeah, why the heck isn't Adam Hughes on covers? That's a no brainer.

[IamtheRock3]

I find really sad the way people get so hung up on sex.

Powergirl is a vibrant, abrasive, FUN, assertive strong superheroine who doesn´t just hang on the sidelines serving tea to the big boys but stands there front and center.
These are all characteristics that would be highly sought by fans if the hero were male.

But because she´s a gurrl and hot, fanboys cannot see past the hole in her contume.
It´s like their brain shuts down and cannot process the idea of a sexy woman being written inteligently.

Does DC have female super heroes that sit on the sidelines and serve tea for the boys


if So...I say give that girl a comic

sounds like a good dame

[IamtheRock3]

here What Power Girl needs


1) Go some time without guess Staring to many heroes with the Same power set, sense DC got a LOT of em

2) relatioships. For the same reason any MALE hero needs relationships. Dont got to be serious. But for some reason some people think giving a female super hero a guy make them weak, giving them many makes them SLUT some say. You dont see that being said about all the people Batman bedding. Also a good suporting cast and friends help.

3) Rouges Gallery...all her own. That really relates to her strengh and weaknesses. Should have HUGE battles

4) Take Advantage the she leader of the HISTORIC TEAM that very deeply involve in DC

5) Dont be Affraid to show the CHEESCAKE. Who says you cant have SEXINESS, even the cheesy kind without a good character. I mean that IS part of her Draw

6) Dont over do the I AM WOMAN HERE ME ROAR stuff

7) Dont go on a LOEB supergirl Jobbing tour.She needs to be challenge

8) A CONSISTANT writing team, thats NOT late all the time. Want a good arc that I can pick up in a trade

9) Have a sense of Humor

10) Dont put to much focuse on her sometime OVERCOMPLICATED history

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Does DC have female super heroes that sit on the sidelines and serve tea for the boys


if So...I say give that girl a comic

sounds like a good dame


I have the feeling you´d enjoy Superfriends. :rolleyes:

[IamtheRock3]

Now an actual non-breasts question/statement.

Peegee in my mind, has always been the one superhero that would've been the first of the list if the "Who loves being a superhero" gets asked.

I honestly can't see Peegee having a secret identity. Even though she'd never admit it, PG NEEDS to be a superhero and she probably does look slightly down on non-supers.


Last part more of the reason to have some on her suporting cast. That last part may be fun to play up.

[vitruvian]

Peegee? What would you say her non-super related interests are?

Well, she likes her cat, even though it makes Hermione's cat (?name?), Greebo from Discworld, and Bill the Cat all look almost pleasant by comparison.

And everybody seems to be forgetting that she *did* have a secret identity for much of her earliest appearances, in which she was a successful businesswoman who started her own computer software company. So, clearly one of the things Kara enjoys the most is opportunities to use her brain as opposed to her physical powers, although those are fun to let loose with as well.

[vitruvian]

I honestly can't see Peegee having a secret identity.

Funny that she did have one for the longest time, then, from the time she was first thought up...

[DerekPrime]

As has been said, she's always had a secret identity. It's only been since the JLE comic that it's taken a back seat.

[Lunal]

Bringing back the secret identity would be ok, but its going to make the comic alot more Supermanish for folks to do that again. What is her powerset in relation to Supes, anyway?

[DerekPrime]

Bringing back the secret identity would be ok, but its going to make the comic alot more Supermanish for folks to do that again. What is her powerset in relation to Supes, anyway?

I think their powers are pretty much the same now, Superman, Supergirl and Power Girl. They've said that Supergirl and Power Girl are evenly matched and Supergirl's supposed to be even or even more powerful (at least before OYL) than Superman. So... basically yeah, they're all about the same.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Peegee? What would you say her non-super related interests are?

Shes entrepreneur, she says as much in John's JSA/JLA crossover that she likes to collect antique furniture which is ironic for someone with super strength high enough to easily break anything delicate that she touches. (if you note her apparent in the classifies she continuously breaks doorknobs.)

I admit its a boring a hobby but you asked what her interest were.

Also she does not look down on normal people, in fact you have to remember she is NOT a new earth type of superhero she is practically one of the old school types, she actually likes the people she helps, and two of her best friends from her earth were both non powered (Robin and Huntress). In fact the people she gets along with best are people who don't have nearly as much power as she does and that in and of itself sounds like a awesome story hook about a possible psychological issue.

Again the Secrety Identity thing doesn't need to be secret. I'm not saying Karen should wear the suit all the time, but if shes out in public and something goes down, she shouldn't look for a phone booth to change her outfit, or run home at the speed of light. She'd just do her thing regardless if anyone questioned who she was or recognized her face. She's said it before she likes who she is and doesn't feel the need to hide it. So half of the idea of a secret identity is kind of dumb. If she were wearing normal clothes and walking down the street and a guy asked her her name, she'd say "Karen Starr", because thats actually her Identity, but if the guy then pulled out a gun, she'd continue on and say "aka Power Girl," and commence the smack down.

[AllisterH]

I do know she had the computer company and that she had a secret identity, but I don't think Peegee really cares that she no longer runs the day to day business of Starr.

I can't blame her. Having to listen to irate customers, dealing with stuck up vendors and for what?

It's not like she actually NEEDS the business or that it was something she wanted to do/inherited.

Similarly, I agree that she has the utmost respect and admires non-meta superheroes but other than her old boyfriend/personal reporter from Pre-Crisis, I honesty haven't seen her interacting with non-meta non-supers.

And yes, I'm including the JLA support staff like Sue et al...She interacts with them and has no problems with them but can anyone even name a person from her company?

[krammocon]

I do know she had the computer company and that she had a secret identity, but I don't think Peegee really cares that she no longer runs the day to day business of Starr.

I can't blame her. Having to listen to irate customers, dealing with stuck up vendors and for what?

It's not like she actually NEEDS the business or that it was something she wanted to do/inherited.

Similarly, I agree that she has the utmost respect and admires non-meta superheroes but other than her old boyfriend/personal reporter from Pre-Crisis, I honesty haven't seen her interacting with non-meta non-supers.

And yes, I'm including the JLA support staff like Sue et al...She interacts with them and has no problems with them but can anyone even name a person from her company?

See, that's why Power Girl needed this ongoing. We thought we already knew all things about her but then we only see a portion of who she is based on what we've read on the team books that she's in. Almost all of it hardly focuses on Karen personally.

So why put her in a box and close it when there's still a lot of space left that can be filled? This is where JP, JG and Amanda comes in. To open that box and make use of it fully. To present not just a one dimensional side of Power Girl w/c I'm sure, everybody who loves her already knew. I guess a lot of the whats, how, why and WTFs will be available for us when issue # 1 finally comes out. And when it does, I'm very much open to the endless possibilities and scenarios that may be presented. Finally, Power Girl will not be just the Power Girl that we knew of. She's that, plus MORE...

:smile:

[Shellhead]

A lot of team books have heroes that present an interesting visual, but the character just doesn't have enough depth to carry a monthly solo title. Some examples would include Vision, Starfire, Cyclops, Storm, Martian Manhunter, the Human Torch, and many more. I suspect that we will find that Power Girl is another such hero.

EDIT: come to think of it, Wolverine seems to be the only X-Man capable of carrying a monthly title on his own, despite the huge popularity of the X-Men.

[Jack Zodiac]

And Wolverine has the depth of a kiddie pool.

It isn't about deep characters. When you get down to it, Superman doesn't have any more depth to him than Martian Manhunter. What it comes down to is, will the creative team behind the book be able to sell the character? It's admittedly harder with lesser known heroes like Martian Manhunter or Hourman or Firestorm, but that doesn't negate anything about their character. Power Girl is one of those characters, because despite having been around for a while, she's been mishandled almost as badly as the Hawks. Her range is wide, there's enough potential in her character for a solo title, but even if Geoff Johns were writing it, it probably wouldn't sell any better than Booster Gold. You just can't sell people on some characters, which is why DC's got such a crazy solo-turnover rate. Power Girl will wind up being one of these books, but it won't be any fault of the character's or creators'.

[Kage Kisaragi]

A lot of team books have heroes that present an interesting visual, but the character just doesn't have enough depth to carry a monthly solo title. Some examples would include Vision, Starfire, Cyclops, Storm, Martian Manhunter, the Human Torch, and many more. I suspect that we will find that Power Girl is another such hero.

EDIT: come to think of it, Wolverine seems to be the only X-Man capable of carrying a monthly title on his own, despite the huge popularity of the X-Men.

See thats where your backwards, visual is only one part of the compound to make a book. You have to develope a character as well which means you have to come up with history that leads up to the present, you have to introduce to angles of interest that work along side the character and not against. Wolverine didn't just pop out on top, someone saw something in him during his initial start and they expanded on it. They developed his character, added some history, came up with a unique background and character traits that were very different from those of heroes for that time and then bam Wolverine as we know him now was born. So while characters like Vixen, and Storm and the rest might not have reached his level of success I can almost guarantee that its because they didn't expanded on the character enough. Sometimes is just a game of chance, every character needs that right writer and artist to make them shine and thats what DC is hoping happens with this team for PeeGee.

[WorstThingUS]

See thats where your backwards, visual is only one part of the compound to make a book. You have to develope a character as well which means you have to come up with history that leads up to the present, you have to introduce to angles of interest that work along side the character and not against. Wolverine didn't just pop out on top, someone saw something in him during his initial start and they expanded on it. They developed his character, added some history, came up with a unique background and character traits that were very different from those of heroes for that time and then bam Wolverine as we know him now was born. So while characters like Vixen, and Storm and the rest might not have reached his level of success I can almost guarantee that its because they didn't expanded on the character enough. Sometimes is just a game of chance, every character needs that right writer and artist to make them shine and thats what DC is hoping happens with this team for PeeGee.

No, he's right. While it was Claremont's take on Wolverine that made him a star, he gave all the X-Men a shot during his run in terms of solid characterization and extensive history. And every X-Man got a mini-series. They just weren't as appealing. Similarly, PG faces the same problem Superman faces: omnipotency and morality. When your hero can do anything and only does the right thing, many people find it hard to relate to them and in fact find them a bit dull. Her only advantage is she has a shorter fuse, and seeming wants to knock the building down first and ask questions later, but this also gives her the appearance of being slightly dim (which Superman is also accused of) which can also be a turn off. Oh, and she's a female which is a given strike. Let's not pretend it isn't and she doesn't even have the marketable "S" as a selling point.

So, yeah, I also doubt this book's success.

[Kage Kisaragi]

No, he's right. While it was Claremont's take on Wolverine that made him a star, he gave all the X-Men a shot during his run in terms of solid characterization and extensive history. And every X-Man got a mini-series. They just weren't as appealing. Similarly.

Again I say "Who's fault is that?" Surely are not trying to blame a character who having a story that isn't appealing to people?

I mean if you put Storm in Wolverines history instead of Wolverine, with his exact powerset and attitude would she then have the same level of recognition as Wolverine?

If you had put Lois Lane in Superman's story, replacing the name Kal El and Clark Kent with Lois Kent and Lal Jor-El at every possible turn since the creation of Superman would she be the iconic superheroine identified with American values?

Power Girl is NO different than any other starting out solo series, just like everyone else who has obtained some kind of fame in their own solo book, she to has been around for ages, and is just now getting the push for a solo series with a creative team that is good and could very well make it fly.

Yes it has to click with a audience, word of mouth has to spread, the company has to plaster some posters on comic book shops walls, they have to promote it a little in a few other books, they have to make the name known far and wide. She has to have a hook that makes people relate to her without coming across and needy or whiny but this is true for even the most successful solo characters.

All that needs to be said is will the team on the book succeed and will DC do its part to make sure it has a chance to?

In my honest opinion, I think they should have started out with a animated version of some sort, these days comic book buyers are far to pragmatic and critically cynical. Perhaps aiming at a younger more open crowd would have helped get the word out and picked up a lot more steam as potential future comic book readers might recognize her and buy her books.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Again I say "Who's fault is that?" Surely are not trying to blame a character who having a story that isn't appealing to people?

I mean if you put Storm in Wolverines history instead of Wolverine, with his exact powerset and attitude would she then have the same level of recognition as Wolverine?

If you had put Lois Lane in Superman's story, replacing the name Kal El and Clark Kent with Lois Kent and Lal Jor-El at every possible turn since the creation of Superman would she be the iconic superheroine identified with American values?

Power Girl is NO different than any other starting out solo series, just like everyone else who has obtained some kind of fame in their own solo book, she to has been around for ages, and is just now getting the push for a solo series with a creative team that is good and could very well make it fly.

Yes it has to click with a audience, word of mouth has to spread, the company has to plaster some posters on comic book shops walls, they have to promote it a little in a few other books, they have to make the name known far and wide. She has to have a hook that makes people relate to her without coming across and needy or whiny but this is true for even the most successful solo characters.

All that needs to be said is will the team on the book succeed and will DC do its part to make sure it has a chance to?

In my honest opinion, I think they should have started out with a animated version of some sort, these days comic book buyers are far to pragmatic and critically cynical. Perhaps aiming at a younger more open crowd would have helped get the word out and picked up a lot more steam as potential future comic book readers might recognize her and buy her books.

I on your side of this discussion. Every character has potential, it just takes the right approach, the right creative team, and some great marketing.

Way back when, Daredevil was in a similar position until Miller's revolutionary run, so were X-Men before Claremont.

[Shellhead]

In my honest opinion, I think they should have started out with a animated version of some sort, these days comic book buyers are far to pragmatic and critically cynical. Perhaps aiming at a younger more open crowd would have helped get the word out and picked up a lot more steam as potential future comic book readers might recognize her and buy her books.

Good point, small children are instinctively drawn to large breasts.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Good point, small children are instinctively drawn to large breasts.

Is that why Wonder Woman has a fanbase?

No, so it shouldn't apply for PG either.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Is that why Wonder Woman has a fanbase?

No, so it shouldn't apply for PG either.

thank you, I mean. It's one thing if you know PG had a book a decade ago and it totally sucked because she was written as a jerk and was evil and always got away with evil things and such no one liked her. However we are talking about a character who is very much is a blank slate at the moment, sure she had minor developments in the past but a solo run will make her presence known a lot more, even more so than being the chairwoman of the JSA.

Characters who have had solo series are a lot more memorable than characters who filled in a spot on a some team roaster for a few years.

[WorstThingUS]

Again I say "Who's fault is that?" Surely are not trying to blame a character who having a story that isn't appealing to people?

I mean if you put Storm in Wolverines history instead of Wolverine, with his exact powerset and attitude would she then have the same level of recognition as Wolverine?

If you had put Lois Lane in Superman's story, replacing the name Kal El and Clark Kent with Lois Kent and Lal Jor-El at every possible turn since the creation of Superman would she be the iconic superheroine identified with American values?

Power Girl is NO different than any other starting out solo series, just like everyone else who has obtained some kind of fame in their own solo book, she to has been around for ages, and is just now getting the push for a solo series with a creative team that is good and could very well make it fly.



You're missing the point. Power Girl's character is simply not that special or unique. She'll make the fourth book about a super-powered survivor from Krypton and the second book about Kara Zor-El from Krypton. The odds do not look good.

I on your side of this discussion. Every character has potential, it just takes the right approach, the right creative team, and some great marketing.

Way back when, Daredevil was in a similar position until Miller's revolutionary run, so were X-Men before Claremont.

Daredevil really doesn't apply as he'd been in a series running for 20 years when Miller showed up.

Every character has potential, but every character does not have the potential to fly solo. At least not for an unlimited run.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

You're missing the point. Power Girl's character is simply not that special or unique. She'll make the fourth book about a super-powered survivor from Krypton and the second book about Kara Zor-El from Krypton. The odds do not look good.

By your standards...

Nightwing is not special and unique when compared to Batman. Neither is Robin. Yet, they both have successful titles.

The GL corps shouldn't have a title because of Hal's GL title, but the title is successful.


Am I missing something?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Daredevil really doesn't apply as he'd been in a series running for 20 years when Miller showed up.

Every character has potential, but every character does not have the potential to fly solo. At least not for an unlimited run.

Ok, then what do characters like Steel, Azrael, Hawkman, and Green Arrow have to that gives them the potential to have long running and/or reoccurring titles?

And why does it not apply for Power Girl?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Also, if she wasn't special or unique, then why the heck is she getting a series, nevermind being the most requested hero for an ongoing?

[Shellhead]

So what elements have made certain solo titles so successful? Probably different things, but let's see if Power Girl has any of those attributes.

Superman: As one of the first superheroes, Superman ended up being the one that practically defines what a superhero is supposed to be. Extreme power balanced with a strict code of ethics and a real sympathy for the people he saves. Good supporting cast.

Spider-man: A guy that lots of people can relate to, at least up until he married a supermodel. Great power set that gives him the potential to hold his own against a wide range of threats without having too easy a time of it. Very good supporting cast, and great rogues gallery.

Batman: Great costume and origin, stylish setting, and one of the best rogues galleries ever.

Wolverine: Short, really tough guy is always good for the underdog role, and the lethal claws put him way ahead of where comics were headed when he debuted in the early '70s. Same for Punisher, except that Punisher also has a great costume, and guns instead of claws.

Wonder Woman: Like Superman, she was a big deal in the early days and managed to get established as THE female superhero archetype. Her ties to greek mythology are good for plenty of stories, but she otherwise lacks a decent rogues gallery. That, plus the default fan disinterest in female solo titles explains why her title has struggled so badly despite her widespread fame.

Power Girl: Totally messed-up origin, no rogues gallery (yet), no supporting cast (yet). On the other hand, she has a good costume, and a personality that stands out from most female heroes. Her biggest challenge will be to establish a niche that is different from the existing Superman and Supergirl titles.

[Shellhead]

Ok, then what do characters like Steel, Azrael, Hawkman, and Green Arrow have to that gives them the potential to have long running and/or reoccurring titles?

And why does it not apply for Power Girl?

In my lifetime, only Green Arrow has had a clearly successful solo title. Steel, Azrael and Hawkman don't have ongoing titles anymore, do they?

[DerekPrime]

I'm not expecting Power Girl's series to have a long run (if she makes it to 30 issues I'll be happy), but I think she at least deserves a chance at her own title.

Also I think her personality is distinct enough compared to Superman and Supergirl and not a copy of either.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Origin is a non factor, Wolverine has a backstory far more messed up than Powergirl´s, and yet he´s a X-uccess.

Supporting characters, rogues gallery... that´s a non issue as well.
EVERY character begins with zero support characters and zero rogues gallery (duh!)

No, the trick to PeeGee´s success is finding the right angle for her.

If the creative team manages to deliver an interesting, captivating story and angle to the character, then it succeeds.
If it doesn´t, then it fails.
Simple as that.

IMHO, Powergirl´s greatest enemy are going to be the readers who are desgusted by the idea of a fun, hot babe in a skintight suit kicking ass and prefer to see fun, hot men in a skintight suit kicking ass.

[DerekPrime]

Wonder Woman: Like Superman, she was a big deal in the early days and managed to get established as THE female superhero archetype. Her ties to greek mythology are good for plenty of stories, but she otherwise lacks a decent rogues gallery. That, plus the default fan disinterest in female solo titles explains why her title has struggled so badly despite her widespread fame.

I think Wonder Woman does have a decent enough rogues gallery as she has several interesting villains. The main problem is that they're just not as well known, and you can blame that on a lack of them being used in other media. I've known most of Batman and Spider-Man's villains since I was a kid because they were heavily featured in the 60s TV show and cartoon respectively. Familiarity plays a lot in it.

That knock against Superman having a weak rogues gallery was something I've never understood. Sure Batman, Spider-Man and the Flash have the 3 best rogues galleries, but Superman would be just under them. Most superheroes don't have any notable villains yet I can easily list off 15-20 Superman villains off the top of my head. The problem with them is lack of exposure. Most outside media tends to just focus on Lex Luthor. Sure there's canon fodder, but that's the same with the other 3 guys.

[DerekPrime]

IMHO, Powergirl´s greatest enemy are going to be the readers who are desgusted by the idea of a fun, hot babe in a skintight suit kicking ass...

That's actually why I like her. I don't understand why a smart, confident, capable woman can't be sassy, sexy and hot too.

I just want a fun comic read.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

That's actually why I like her. I don't understand why a smart, confident, capable woman can't be sassy, sexy and hot too.

I just want a fun comic read.


Pretty much my opinion as well.
A well writen, well drawn comic with a fun-smart-hot heroine... It´s like having a cake and eating it.

Win-win.

[IamtheRock3]

You're missing the point. Power Girl's character is simply not that special or unique. She'll make the fourth book about a super-powered survivor from Krypton and the second book about Kara Zor-El from Krypton. The odds do not look good.



Daredevil really doesn't apply as he'd been in a series running for 20 years when Miller showed up.

Every character has potential, but every character does not have the potential to fly solo. At least not for an unlimited run.


simple fix

END SUPER GIRL

bring back peter Davids Super girl

I do think if Powergirl book came out before supergirl book, it would be a huge hit

[WorstThingUS]

By your standards...

Nightwing is not special and unique when compared to Batman. Neither is Robin. Yet, they both have successful titles.

Yes, but how would a fourth title fare about Dick Grayson or Tim Drake on Earth-2?

The GL corps shouldn't have a title because of Hal's GL title, but the title is successful.


Am I missing something?

Yes. 1) it's not a fourth generation book about a variation on a character that already exists, 2) it's so intertwined with GL you pretty much have to buy it to follow the epics that happen in GL on a regular basis.

Also, if she wasn't special or unique, then why the heck is she getting a series, nevermind being the most requested hero for an ongoing?

It seems everyone gets a shot. Hell, The Huntress had her shot too. Didn't last. Batgirl had her shot. Didn't last. Even Richard Dragon had a shot. It's no big thing to get your shot.

That's actually why I like her. I don't understand why a smart, confident, capable woman can't be sassy, sexy and hot too.


I was hoping we were done with this, but just why does she have to be sexually appealing for you like her? Would she be less interesting with smaller breasts and covered up? She's still physically perfect in a skintight costume. Why does she need gigantic breasts, bare legs and a hole in her shirt for you to be a fan?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

why does she have to be sexually appealing for you like her? Would she be less interesting with smaller breasts and covered up? She's still physically perfect in a skintight costume. Why does she need gigantic breasts, bare legs and a hole in her shirt for you to be a fan?


Why does the fact that she´s attractive bother you so much?
Are you awkward/repulsed when dealing with attractive women?

Are you so upset by the fact that she´s attractive that you can´t even contemplate the possibility that there´s more to her than the big breasts?

[WorstThingUS]

Why does the fact that she´s attractive bother you so much?
Are you awkward/repulsed when dealing with attractive women?

Are you so upset by the fact that she´s attractive that you can´t even contemplate the possibility that there´s more to her than the big breasts?

What part of "she's still physically perfect" did you not understand to think I wouldn't want her to be attractive? Why is she not attractive unless she's flashing skin to you?

I'm just tired of the nonstop sexualization of female superheroes and the passionate defense of said boobs pretty much proves to me that none of you would be there for PG if she weren't big boobed and flashing skin. This is probably why Batgirl died and Manhunter struggles to survive. Very few titles are written as well as Manhunter but she's not running around in a thong with boobs bigger than her head. It reminds me that the creator of Forerunner said he had to fight for her not to be drawn sexualized.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

What part of "she's still physically perfect" did you not understand to think I wouldn't want her to be attractive? Why is she not attractive unless she's flashing skin to you?

I'm just tired of the nonstop sexualization of female superheroes and the passionate defense of said boobs pretty much proves to me that none of you would be there for PG if she weren't big boobed and flashing skin. This is probably why Batgirl died and Manhunter struggles to survive. Very few titles are written as well as Manhunter but she's not running around in a thong with boobs bigger than her head. It reminds me that the creator of Forerunner said he had to fight for her not to be drawn sexualized.


Tell me something, do you block when you see a woman in swimsuit?
Are you unable to accept a woman if she´s dressed in a sexualy alluring way?
The fact that she has her legs showing and a hole in her chest revolts you?

http://www.romanian-gymnastics.com/news/2006/oct/romanian_gymnastics_team_worlds.jpg

Chest hole aside, these girls aer showing MORE skin than Powergirl.
Do you find them desgusting?

What she´s wearing is of no consequence, one of my top FIVE favorite DC comics ever (as in 20+ years of comicbook reading) was Chase - which starred an unatractive, obnoxious cape-hating chainsmoking cow -

[andy khouri]

DC Comics' fan-favorite heroine Power Girl finally gets her own solo title, and CBR News spoke with co-writer Jimmy Palmiotti and artist Amanda Conner about the long-awaited new monthly.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16170

[CMBMOOL]

Something tells me that the Amazing Spider-girl series has finally got some competition. :biggrin:

[WorstThingUS]

Tell me something, do you block when you see a woman in swimsuit?

No, but if she's a cop and the male cop with her is in his full uniform I'm gonna have a problem and more than a few questions.

Are you unable to accept a woman if she´s dressed in a sexualy alluring way?
The fact that she has her legs showing and a hole in her chest revolts you?

I love how you ignore everything I ask you about why she has to be baring flesh. We are not talking about the real world. We are talking about why the female counterpart to Superman has to have breasts bigger than her head and a hole in her costume revealing them? Why is it is so difficult for you to keep it in context?


http://www.romanian-gymnastics.com/news/2006/oct/romanian_gymnastics_team_worlds.jpg

Chest hole aside, these girls aer showing MORE skin than Powergirl.
Do you find them desgusting?

This is a sport where young girls are encouraged to have eating disorders. Not the healthiest example in the world. Try again. Or better yet pick up "Chalked Up: Inside Elite Gymnastics' Merciless Coaching, Overzealous Parents, Eating Disorders and Elusive Olympic Dreams" by Jennifer Sey who won the US National Title in 1986. In her book she also questions why men who were never gymnasts themselves want to work with little girls. You would have been better off using Olympic swimmers.


What she´s wearing is of no consequence, one of my top FIVE favorite DC comics ever (as in 20+ years of comicbook reading) was Chase - which starred an unatractive, obnoxious cape-hating chainsmoking cow -

Hold on, I'll get you your medal...

[DerekPrime]

I was hoping we were done with this, but just why does she have to be sexually appealing for you like her? Would she be less interesting with smaller breasts and covered up? She's still physically perfect in a skintight costume. Why does she need gigantic breasts, bare legs and a hole in her shirt for you to be a fan?

That's hardly why I'm a fan of hers. I'm a fan of the character for her personality as much as anything. My point is her being sexually attractive doesn't mean she isn't still a good character. To use your reasoning, why does she have to not have large breasts, bare legs and a hole in her shirt for you to be a fan?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

No, but if she's a cop and the male cop with her is in his full uniform I'm gonna have a problem and more than a few questions.

What does that has to do with anything?
Powergirl is not a cop.
She´s a superheroine wearing a silly costume in a medium where everyone wears silly costumes.
Unless you live in a world where grown men wear their panties on the outside, of course....


I love how you ignore everything I ask you about why she has to be baring flesh. We are not talking about the real world. We are talking about why the female counterpart to Superman has to have breasts bigger than her head and a hole in her costume revealing them? Why is it is so difficult for you to keep it in context?

The "breasts bigger than her head" remark only accentuates the very distinc possibility that you have issues with attractive women.
Powergirl does NOT have breasts bigger than her head (unless you´ve only been exposed to bad fanart).
Powergirl has been depicted wearing the same outfit since she was created, DECADES ago, give or take a JLE mishap.
I do think you should pause and ponder about what´s really behind your inability to enjoy a book if the lead character has her legs showing.



This is a sport where young girls are encouraged to have eating disorders. Not the healthiest example in the world. Try again. Or better yet pick up "Chalked Up: Inside Elite Gymnastics' Merciless Coaching, Overzealous Parents, Eating Disorders and Elusive Olympic Dreams" by Jennifer Sey who won the US National Title in 1986. In her book she also questions why men who were never gymnasts themselves want to work with little girls.

Youi appear to have done some extensive research on the subject.
You don´t have to explain why.
Actualy, I prefer if you didn´t.


You would have been better off using Olympic swimmers.

I wasn´t sure your stomach would have been able to withstand the sight.
WAY too much exposed skin, I hear some swimmers actualy show their >gasp< arms!