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opieandy
04-12-2008, 09:57 PM
Got this in the mail today. I'm really enjoying this series. I never read much CA until about a year ago, and I really like it. The dark overtone to much of the artwork is nicely done (e.g., many scenes in CA seem to be in shadows if inside, or cloudy skies if outside). Gives it a bit of an black-and-white old-school feel, which is appropriate since CA has roots in WWII that are very important to his character. Bucky is an interesting character IMO, and Sharon Carter isn't bad to look at as well as also being a very interesting character.

I laughed out loud at the scene where Bucky was dreaming about WWII with CA. Man, this was just flat-out funny (as they're avoiding gunfire in battle):

"Cap! Cap! Look out for the Internet!"

"What?"

"I need to send an e-mail to my girl! To tell her to get to the bomb shelter!"

"There's no time for that Bucky! General Patton needs us to secure the bridge. Let Bob Hope text her for you tonight at the USO show!"

I almost lost my lunch reading that sequence. Bob Hope sending a text message in WWII! Great stuff!

I also enjoyed seeing Sam offer to team up with Bucky to find Sharon (and Bucky accepting the offer).

I'm sure we're all wondering just how CA will be brought back, how Bucky will handle the CA mantle until then, etc. So it looked like we finally had our answer when I turned to the next-to-last page, but then Sharon's reaction just threw it all up in the air. So who is this guy? Sure looks like Steve Rogers. Really makes me anticipate #38. The artwork and stories right now are fabulous IMO.

CaptainCanada
04-16-2008, 12:05 PM
I mean to put the word "spoilers" in this title. Anyway, spoilers ensue:

This month, in the Marvel Universe:

We open in August of 1944, where the arriving US Army is being greeted by cheering Parisian citizens. The Red Skull watches bemused from a window, and monologues to a nearby secretary that the Americans are deluding themselves if they think he or Der Fuhrer care about France; indeed, he's happy to leave after four years in the country. He says he's studying the Americans in triumph, and if it takes a lifetime, he'll bring down the American Empire.

In the present, that female reporter who's always in this comic is reporting that Senator Gordon Wright, the Skull's Manchurian Candidate, has just broke with "his party" and declared himself a candidate for president under the new Third Wing party. The reporter goes on to describe how Wright was dramatically targeted by terrorists just a few days earlier, and went on to singlehandedly negotiate a new omnibus deal with Kronas that stopped the economic chaos. The Skull and Doctor Faustus, watching from Evil HQ, discuss how much they're enjoying destroying the place from the inside out; the plan is to have their man run on a law and order platform and show everyone that a police state is the only answer to democracy. The Skull ribs Faustus for not noticing Sharon was knocked up; Faustus changes the subject to their new patient, and the Skull says everything is on schedule: soon there'll be two Caps running around.

On SHIELD One over New York, Sam is arguing with Tony about New Cap; apparently, he wasn't told about it until now. Sam doesn't think Bucky can do it, and he thinks Tony is acting too unilaterally. Tony says he's trying to follow Steve's wishes, and suggests Sam go help Bucky ("And now you're trying to manipulate me?" "Maybe just a little."). Sam says he's not going to be the only one who disapproves.

Meanwhile, at Steve's old pad, Bucky find his practice session interrupted by Clint Barton (wearing a purple shirt for easy identification). Clint says Sam told him he was alive ("And I wouldn't say I was surprised..not in our world"), but he didn't imagine he'd be stupid enough to wear Cap's mask. Bucky knows who Clint is. Clint attacks. The two duck each others' punches for a bit; Bucky remarks that where he was from, heroes fought on the same side. Eventually, Bucky catches Clint's fist with his metal arm. The fight stops; Clint remarks Cap taught him that move too. Bucky says he doesn't have to explain himself to Clint; Clint leaves, saying that he'll be watching to make sure Bucky doesn't tarnish Steve's legacy.

Back at Evil HQ, Sharon sneaks around, saying that now that she knows Steve is somehow alive, she's got to rescue him before leaving; until then, she'll pretend she's still a brainwashed minion. She passes Faustus, who is entering Zola's lab; Faustus remarks to Zola that without him (Faustus), they wouldn't have their patient.

Flashback! As they make their way through some generic bombed-out city, Bucky yells at Cap to look out for the internet (okay, maybe not a flashback). Bucky says he needs to send an emial to his girl to get her to a bomb shelter; Cap says there's no time for that, and he'll have to get Bob Hope to text-message her at the USO. Bucky yells that Steve is standing in his shadow; Steve says he is his shadow. Cap's shield lands in Bucky's hands, and the scene shifts to the two of them (Bucky now in his new costume) standing near some downed AIM agents; Cap tells him not to lose the shield, because he'll need it back; Bucky says sure; Steve tells him to say it in Russian; Bucky yells that wasn't his fault...And he wakes up.

On his way into the kitchen, he runs into Falcon, who's just arrived; Bucky remarks he really needs to improve the security in this house. Bucky asks Sam if he's here to fight. Sam doesn't know what he's talking about. Moving on, Sam says he has a lead on Sharon, so they should get going; Bucky agrees.

Evil HQ: Sharon has disabled all the cameras and alarms around the place, and breaks into Zola's lab, where the patient is covered in a sheet on a medical table. She wakes him up; as the man starts to come to, Sharon recoils and realizes it isn't Steve. The man says that was his name, "But...who are you?"

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Yeah, it's pretty clearly the Grand Director.

Another good issue, with a bit of down-time (this is the start of a new trade/arc, so it makes sense).

This is a hard title to review, because, well, its consistently awesome every month. Keep up the good work, everybody.

CMBMOOL
04-16-2008, 12:14 PM
Woah, now that is an ending. :redface:

Jmacq1
04-16-2008, 12:43 PM
Ohhhh yeah.

As long as this doesn't end with Sharon incinerating herself....

And while I was expecting it (and technically it's not confirmed yet), the return of the Grand Director is just....awesome.

Brian M.
04-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Great review, thanks for taking the time to write a detailed one.

Anyway this all sounds great. Can't wait to go pick it up.

Toboe
04-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Highly entertaining issue, as always. I like that we're starting to see poeple's reaction to Bucky as the new Captain America. Sam and Clint make complete sense as to being the first ones to do so, but I was kinda expecting more from Clint's appearance rather than the "I'm gonna kick you @$$" routine. Hopefully he'll continue showing up on the book from time to time.

Expletive Deleted
04-16-2008, 04:08 PM
Yeah, it's pretty clearly the Grand Director.You know, I hadn't put that together at all.

Nice one.

XPac
04-16-2008, 04:17 PM
How does Sharon know that the Grand Director wasn't Steve?

worstblogever
04-16-2008, 04:23 PM
It was hard to tell in shadow, but did Steve/Grand Director look like he had major scarring on his left shoulder?

XPac
04-16-2008, 04:28 PM
It was hard to tell in shadow, but did Steve/Grand Director look like he had major scarring on his left shoulder?

Yeah, that's what it looked like to me too.

Did something happen to Grand Director what would cause major scaring on his left shoulder which could be Sharons give away that it's him and not Steve?

Chiasm
04-16-2008, 05:37 PM
I don't know my Cap history well enough apparently. Who is the Grand Director?

ultramandingo
04-16-2008, 05:56 PM
http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/3/W/1700000007184c12/1/222/hri4OAf22D-GLYQr-_eIKwekRd3Wb8Pu.jpg (http://www.slide.com/s/N7afL6dS4D-8_Ok6M4BY_MT1xafsqs4B?referrer=hlnk)

..........yikes! nazi wolverine

gorthon616
04-16-2008, 06:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Director

Basically some guy who was recruited to be Cap when Cap was gone and went crazy.

seeso
04-16-2008, 06:00 PM
I don't know my Cap history well enough apparently. Who is the Grand Director?

Stan Lee unsuccessfully tried to revive Captain America in the 50's. It didn't catch on. When he tried again in the 60's, he ignored this previous attempt.

In the 70's, Englehart brought those earlier stories into canon by having that 50's Cap be a product of the government.

The super-soldier serum he ingested had bad side effects. He went psychotic and was arrested.

Dr. Faustus gets ahold of him, mind controls him, and sics him on the real Cap as the "Grand Director."

He was defeated and apparently committed suicide.

XPac
04-16-2008, 06:03 PM
I don't know my Cap history well enough apparently. Who is the Grand Director?

I believe he was the 4th Captain America (I'm not sure how Patriats Granddad effects the official numbering).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Director

CMBMOOL
04-16-2008, 06:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Director

Basically some guy who was recruited to be Cap when Cap was gone and went crazy.

Hmph, basic and simple explanation. :redface:

Mr. Earl Brooks
04-16-2008, 06:50 PM
Does anyone know how this Grand Director guy offed himself (attempted, apparently)?

Great Issue, wish Hawkeye wasn't such a punk, though.

XPac
04-16-2008, 06:55 PM
Does anyone know how this Grand Director guy offed himself (attempted, apparently)?

Great Issue, wish Hawkeye wasn't such a punk, though.

A well written Hawkeye is likely going to be a bit of a punk.

Also, I'm sure Bucky would act in the exact same manner had someone else he didn't completely know and trust taken up Caps mantle. .

Trey
04-16-2008, 09:11 PM
It was OK. Just moving.....tooo.....damnnnnn......slow.

A lot of talking....Skull and a Fraulien .......Sam and Stark....Fuastus and Skull...... Sharon and herself... news reporters and viewers....Bucky and Hawkeye.........Falcon and Bucky.....

Hawkeyes wearing purple...ha ...nice touch... Loved the WWII scenes.

I'm dying for a WWII book....featuring Cap/Invaders and other Heroes and Villains that maybe. A book slated for a 50 issue run from the start of the war to the end. With super-hero fictionalized events.

Pyro
04-16-2008, 09:24 PM
I thought the opening scene with the Red Skull was pretty cool. He really can't let things go if he's still angry after 64 years! :tongue: Great art! Cool story, though this was pretty much a transitional issue. I can't wait for the action to pick up!

StoneGold
04-16-2008, 10:13 PM
It was hard to tell in shadow, but did Steve/Grand Director look like he had major scarring on his left shoulder?

GD torched himself in the same fire that supposedly killed Sharon, at the command of Faustus, which is why the whole "You wouldn't have the patient if not for me" bit. More things to prove that it's 50's Cap, the bit where he doesn't know his name is Steve Rogers, then does, Englehart retconned him into a guy who was obsessed with Captain America so much, he figured out Cap's identity and a bastardized version of the SSS. Then he got plastic surgery to look and sound exactly like Steve Rogers, and changed his name to Steve Rogers. So there are a couple of pretty big hints to the reveal, if you know where to look.

DeadXMan
04-16-2008, 11:48 PM
Called It. :biggrin:
another 10 for Bru.

DeadXMan
04-16-2008, 11:51 PM
A well written Hawkeye is likely going to be a bit of a punk.

Also, I'm sure Bucky would act in the exact same manner had someone else he didn't completely know and trust taken up Caps mantle. .

he went after Frank to get his punisher cap costume.

and Clint did turn down being the next cap.

Tobias Drake
04-17-2008, 12:20 AM
I expected more of Clint and Bucky. Namely, I appreciate Clint's bravado words, but they fall completely flat when, immediately afterwards, he just sorta leaves and takes no part in the conflict thereafter. If he was really so concerned with making sure Bucky doesn't tarnish Cap's image, he might want to, y'know, help in some way. Or at least pay attention to what Bucky's doing. Or...do something other than walking away.

mikekerr3
04-17-2008, 03:10 AM
I expected more of Clint and Bucky. Namely, I appreciate Clint's bravado words, but they fall completely flat when, immediately afterwards, he just sorta leaves and takes no part in the conflict thereafter. If he was really so concerned with making sure Bucky doesn't tarnish Cap's image, he might want to, y'know, help in some way. Or at least pay attention to what Bucky's doing. Or...do something other than walking away.

It was just a simple warning, not a offer to work together. Clint will live with it for now but he doesn't have to like it. He has his own worries. I didn't see Bucky offer to fight against the SHRA either, so its a wash,

If Bucky had asked for help it would be a different matter.

jackolover
04-17-2008, 04:33 AM
This was a very pedestrian issue, but I suppose, Ed Brubaker has to throw some of these in, once in a while. Not that this issue was uninteresting, because it was for a range of reasons.

Sharon Carters misconception that she has broken Fautus' mental hold, and that she thinks she has found the real Cap. What looks like an injury to Steves shoulder, looks suspiciously like the wound made by that sniper bullet in Cap #25.

Then there was that ominous threat made by the Red Skull that he was going to wipe that smugness from the faces of the Americans, for the humiliation of the loss of the War. A humiliation which he will wreak from the inside of America back upon themselves. But he will fail, if somehow, Zola was able to recover the body of Steve Rogers from it's watery grave, that Namor sent it too. If Steve Rogers, the real one, is anywhere near alive, then that is the biggest mistake the Red Skull has made in this story.

The mild appearances of Hawkeye and Falcon (two bird names) was only slightly interesting, but maybe Brubaker has introduced these two people to Cap for other reasons than just curtesy.

The development of Senator Wright starts to take on a stroke of genius, in how he has infiltrated the fabric of the American political system, and security system. With the tantamount possibility that every city shall have Kane-Meyer security forces, being a very unsettling development, thank you Mr. Brubaker. The Red Skull will have no need to infiltrate the political scene in America. All he has to do is pull the strings of the puppet. The oil prices, the terrorist attacks by his own daughter, and the eventual re-emergence of Steve Rogers, makes the plans for America all the more intriguing, as to how Bru will engineer the Skull to both rub Rogers face in it, and, bring the US to the brink of destruction.

I already see holes in the Skulls efforts, because the readers are getting more information of what the Skulls plans are. And except for Steve Rogers role in all this, it wouldn't take very much for all his plans to come crashing down, with a bit of super heros luck. If Brubaker achieves the act of making the Red Skull realise Skulls goal of destroying the US, Bru will be the only writer who presides over this kind of insurrection in comics, that CW, WWH and Skrulls will have never achieved. Do I feel a hint of cynicism at the eventual outcome of this story?

The infuriating aspect of this 37 issue story, is the Ed makes the Red Skulls whereabouts so elusive that none of the heroes have ever come close to reconning where he is. The Skull has eluded every attempt to locate him, and his minions. It is like there is this magic spell following him around, that sends the heroes in other directions except the right direction. What do they call that kind of spell? Oh yeah. A misdirection spell.

Jmacq1
04-17-2008, 06:56 AM
It's well worth considering that the scarring on the faux-Steve's shoulder is artificial/was applied simply to make the story of him "being Steve" more believable ("Look, I have the scars from where I was shot!"). That's the kind of little detail that I'd expect the Skull/Faustus/et al.... to have thought of.

As for Skull destroying America...didn't Kang effectively accomplish that in an Avengers arc? Though of course my belief is that the Skull isn't going to succeed. Like most comic stories, he'll come within a hair's breadth of success, and then Bucky-Cap will stop him at the last possible moment, further solidifying his claim as the (for the time being) successor to Steve Rogers.

I don't doubt that Steve will return someday, I'm just highly skeptical that it's going to be anytime particularly soon.

PS: Bucky found the Skull without much difficulty. Though the Skull wanted to be found at the time. I don't find his "luck" at all off-putting...he's supposed to be Captain America's arch-enemy. If he gets his door kicked down every other week like he were some two-bit AIM or HYDRA flunky, he wouldn't be worthy of that title. The Skull should be an A-List (world-shaking) Marvel villain alongside folks like Doom, Loki, Magneto, et al....not because he's a literal powerhouse, but because he's cunning, clever, and a master planner who excels at subverting government and industry to his own purposes. Brubaker just happens to write him like he is.

Tobias Drake
04-17-2008, 07:50 AM
It was just a simple warning, not a offer to work together. Clint will live with it for now but he doesn't have to like it. He has his own worries. I didn't see Bucky offer to fight against the SHRA either, so its a wash,

If Bucky had asked for help it would be a different matter.

Yeah, but there's a sublimely different message there. Instead of "I don't trust you, so I'm going to be watching what you do to make sure you don't screw up and tarnish Cap's name," it's, "I don't trust you. While I'm sure I'll find time to pay attention to you and make sure you don't tarnish Cap's name, I've got other, more important things to do. But rest assured, I will be watching you every once in a while when I can spare a moment! Cap's memory is WORTH a moment!"

Huge difference.

agrich
04-17-2008, 08:20 AM
It's well worth considering that the scarring on the faux-Steve's shoulder is artificial/was applied simply to make the story of him "being Steve" more believable ("Look, I have the scars from where I was shot!"). That's the kind of little detail that I'd expect the Skull/Faustus/et al.... to have thought of.

He was shot in the other shoulder. And, these scars look particularly like burning/melting. So, the Grand Director idea makes sense.

XPac
04-17-2008, 09:00 AM
Yeah, but there's a sublimely different message there. Instead of "I don't trust you, so I'm going to be watching what you do to make sure you don't screw up and tarnish Cap's name," it's, "I don't trust you. While I'm sure I'll find time to pay attention to you and make sure you don't tarnish Cap's name, I've got other, more important things to do. But rest assured, I will be watching you every once in a while when I can spare a moment! Cap's memory is WORTH a moment!"

Huge difference.

Really, that's all Clint can do. He's not going to stop everything he's doing to watch Bucky 24/7. And Bucky was just sitting around training without any specific mission at that point in time, so it frankly would have been a waste of time at least as far as Clint knew. Bucky at the moment wasn't doing anything, and there wasn't any reason to trust Bucky enough to take him back to the NA especially since it's obvious that Stark set him up.

It's really more Clint saying if he finds out that Bucky screws up, he'll be back. But he's willing to give him a chance. For Bruker to have Clint decide to babysit Bucky around the clock would have been kinda pointless.

StoneGold
04-17-2008, 01:11 PM
Let's be honest, the Hawkeye bit was basically fan service. He had to show up at some point to confront Bucky to placate the fanboys, but Bucky and Hawkeye is not really where the story lies. Especially when Hawkeye is still Ronin. It lacks the visual history. Which is why Falconis his mentor.


What was interesting, how much taller Clint was than Bucky.

bloodyarts
04-17-2008, 02:58 PM
For Bruker to have Clint decide to babysit Bucky around the clock would have been kinda pointless.

Besides, that's Falcon's job!

StoneGold
04-17-2008, 03:00 PM
Besides, that's Falcon's job!

But again, Ronin babysitting the new Cap doesn't have any visual history to it. Hawkeye, maybe, but not Ronin. Falcon, on the other hand, does have the visual history. It works better.



Besides, he's less likely to be a Skrull.

Jay R
04-17-2008, 04:00 PM
Did anyone else think that Bucky's left arm looked odd in that first full training panel? Great issue, by the way.

-Jay

XPac
04-17-2008, 04:36 PM
Besides, that's Falcon's job!

Being Captain America's sidekick has been Falcon's job from day one. He was literally born for the role.

StoneGold
04-17-2008, 04:38 PM
Being Captain America's sidekick has been Falcon's job from day one. He was literally born for the role.

Except right now, it seems to be the other way around. Or at least, he's less of a sidekick, more of a mentor. Think of him like Obi Wan. He may not be the main character, but he's the guy who is nominally in charge.


And it's not the role he was born for. It's the role he was twisted into by the Red Skull and the Cosmic Cube. Damn you Englehart!!!

XPac
04-17-2008, 04:43 PM
Except right now, it seems to be the other way around. Or at least, he's less of a sidekick, more of a mentor. Think of him like Obi Wan. He may not be the main character, but he's the guy who is nominally in charge.


And it's not the role he was born for. It's the role he was twisted into by the Red Skull and the Cosmic Cube. Damn you Englehart!!!

Well, we'll see how it turns out. I'm sure that's what Falcon has in mind. Whether or not Bucky wants to revent to sidekick status now that he's carrying around the SHIELD remains to be seen.

Still, it would be cool to see Falcon step up a bit.

StoneGold
04-17-2008, 04:44 PM
Well, we'll see how it turns out. I'm sure that's what Falcon has in mind. Whether or not Bucky wants to revent to sidekick status now that he's carrying around the SHIELD remains to be seen.

Still, it would be cool to see Falcon step up a bit.

Kind of like Obi Wan. Nominally in charge. That doesn't mean the hero of the show isn't going to be all rebellious and take over. Still, would you consider Obi Wan either Anakin or Luke's sidekick?

jackolover
04-17-2008, 06:19 PM
Well, we'll see how it turns out. I'm sure that's what Falcon has in mind. Whether or not Bucky wants to revert to sidekick status now that he's carrying around the SHIELD remains to be seen.

Still, it would be cool to see Falcon step up a bit.

Why would anyone consider Bucky stepping down to a sidekick role? He's the Winter Soldier. He is no sidekick, to anyone, Cap or whoever. As for Falcon being Buckys mentor, that is totally out of the question. Where does this come from? Bucky explicitly says to Tony Stark, I want no one lording it over me, so now he's going to just cave when Falcon comes along and says he'll be Caps mentor?

Falcon can help and be a partner, but I think Cap will call the shots, and thats if Cap goes on missions with other people. It would be a new experience for Cap to partner anyone, and let them in on his MOA, considering his lone wolf attitude his whole carrier.

b_sinning
04-17-2008, 10:47 PM
I'd like to see Clint form part of a secret strike force with Falcon and Bucky. Have them do some work for Nick Fury.



I like the implication that all you have to do to become pres is fix oil prices and fight the foreclosure issue. I always suspected Hillary was the Red Skull.

jackolover
04-17-2008, 11:09 PM
I'd like to see Clint form part of a secret strike force with Falcon and Bucky. Have them do some work for Nick Fury.





That would make a fine book, actually. Nobody is the leader, because Steve Rogers isn't in charge. You have a tech man, an assassin, and the back up man

Dr. Chaos
04-17-2008, 11:17 PM
So, are we assuming the guy Sharon found in the basement is the same guy she found at the end of this issue, ala Grand Director?

Thats what I want believe but the hair on this guy seems abit different.

PaidHero
04-18-2008, 01:05 AM
You guys say that Bucky can play a sidekick or not be one. Well I don't think he would for Falcon and not even for Steve may he RIP. I think IMO that if Bucky had felt any aggression towards him from Falcon I think he'd tell him to back off Mentor or Sidekick. Of course Bucky needs help right now, he needs it and he knows it. Pretty soon (I think) the Grand Director is going to be a puppet of Red Skull and fool the US into beliving that Bucky is the imposter Cap'. I belive thats the answer to the cover of Captain America #39.

Lunal
04-18-2008, 04:23 PM
Slow issue, nothing really happened. We learn that Red Skull hates America, what a shock. Couple of people say visit Bucky to say they'll be watching him to make sure he does good as Cap. Bucky has a dream sequence about Cap himself watching him. Then we get the same ending as last issue, essentially. Meh.

verybored3
04-21-2008, 01:07 AM
i stand by my theory this is the real captain america pulled from the atlantic through some time travel device before the avengers found him and thawed him out and will now fight for the pro reg forces because he wants to fight for the government

CaptainCanada
04-21-2008, 08:55 AM
i stand by my theory this is the real captain america pulled from the atlantic through some time travel device before the avengers found him and thawed him out and will now fight for the pro reg forces because he wants to fight for the government
That doesn't account for Sharon recognizing that he's not Steve on sight alone (not to mention that it creates an unresolvable temporal paradox).

StoneGold
04-21-2008, 11:05 AM
That doesn't account for Sharon recognizing that he's not Steve on sight alone (not to mention that it creates an unresolvable temporal paradox).

Come now, there are plenty of ways to make it completely resolvable. For one thing, Gruenwald-style time travel rules would totally allow for it.



That said, the theory is wrong.

DeadXMan
04-21-2008, 10:12 PM
or they could of gone back in time and got Commie smasher cap after he flame broiled himself and stuck him in a Bantha tank.

filthysize
04-24-2008, 06:15 PM
Best part of this issue was the Senator Wright scenes. The Red Skull's plan to not destroy America but to turn it into a new police state is, well, friggin' jawdropping and an unpredictable twist. I think that flashback at the beginning was necessary--it wasn't a "Bah! Americans = tools! Red Skull is teh best and hatorade on them!" moment, it showed his very specific and deep-rooted hatred towards their touting of freedom. Note that he was watching the French people celebrating and welcoming the Americans parading with the gift of liberty, a concept that represents America and runs direct opposite with the Skull's beliefs. It was also really telling that he said he'd be glad to leave France in ruins. Red Skull has no need for a country in ruins. He doesn't want to destroy and leave America in shambles because he knows that would just inspire a strong desire in Americans to rebuild. What he wants is to perverse the American ideals and turn it into a decaying animal. I have to say... That's hardcore. This is probably one of the scariest supervillain plans ever.

If the Skull succeeds (and honestly, given the tone of the book, there's no reason why he won't at least for a while), it's going to take a lot more than learning how to throw the shield right for Cap!Buck to win this fight. Looks like he's going to learn how to be Captain America the hard way.

God, this book is amazing.

ultramandingo
04-24-2008, 08:39 PM
Red Skull has no need for a country in ruins. He doesn't want to destroy and leave America in shambles because he knows that would just inspire a strong desire in Americans to rebuild. What he wants is to perverse the American ideals and turn it into a decaying animal. I have to say... That's hardcore. This is probably one of the scariest supervillain plans ever.


......by supervillians you mean cheney bush ? cus those guys are doing a " heck of a job" on the " decaying animal" deal

Kirk G
04-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Has there ever been an answer as to what it was that the Skull wanted to excavate from below the castle that Doom had left/devised/invented there? I believe that was the conclusion of the 65th anniversary issue special, was it not?

And the plot thread has never been picked up again, has it?
What do you think it is, and how will it fit in with this storyline?

CaptainCanada
04-24-2008, 08:57 PM
Has there ever been an answer as to what it was that the Skull wanted to excavate from below the castle that Doom had left/devised/invented there? I believe that was the conclusion of the 65th anniversary issue special, was it not?

And the plot thread has never been picked up again, has it?
What do you think it is, and how will it fit in with this storyline?
He excavated the Sleeper robot that Cap and co. destroyed in "21st Century Blitz", plus some other stuff that he gave to Doom as proof that Doom had been the Baron of Iron so that Doom would give him the time machine.

princesa
04-27-2008, 07:45 PM
This book is tremendous. I especially liked seeing Sam and Clint's reactions.