Something I just picked up from NA: Illuminati #2, Secret Invasion?

[drinkblatzbeer]

Just started re-reading the mini to hopefully figure out some things...

Obviously every issue of Illuminati is going to tie into the Secret Invasion...

the second, obviously the Infinity Gauntlet is going to play a part sometime in the storyline...
but, and I don't remember what was discussed about this issue when it came out, so I don't know if this has been brought up...

The last page there were two things that sort of stood out to me...

first of all, what the Watcher said to Reed Richards..
"I fear what will happen to you once you've been discovered"...
in what sense did he mean that? in the sense of someone of a cosmic variety figuring out where that power is hidden, or maybe something more skrull related??? - though i guess the events of secret invasion 1, with richards being betrayed kind of killed the chance of him being a skrull...

so, the next panel is what I am now focusing on...
Xavier's glare...i'm guessing towards richards?
seems like either a glare of suspicion, or a glare of hatred...
either way he knows something, what is that?

i know, not much there, but just sort of stuck out now that i know what is currently going on in the marvel U...

[jackolover]

So, whose idea was it to go after the Infinity gems?

[SuperFeen]

^^it was Reed Richards' idea. I always thought that Xavier was giving him the stink eye because Reed put them all in a lot of danger not only retrieving the gems, but being keepers of the gems is a HUGE responsibility.

Speaking of wierd little things in the Illuminati series, in the Beyonder issue does anyone else think Blackbolt is being a little evasive, like he says he doesn't remember the Beyonder going into the mists, but then in the next panels it shows Bolt with a front row seat to the event. Is he just ashamed of it, or is he possibly already Skrull'd out by then?

[Alex L]

...he doesn't remember the Beyonder going into the mists, but then in the next panels it shows Bolt with a front row seat to the event. Is he just ashamed of it, or is he possibly already Skrull'd out by then?

To be fair, why would he remember it?

I haven't read that issue in a while, but I figure it would be some ceremonial thing where the king sits in the audience.

A guest speaker who shakes everybody's hand, won't remember any of those people's names three days later.

[jpbl1976]

I suspect that WW Hulk is when a lot of the "Skrulling" began -- particularly for Blackbolt -- he was pretty badly beat-up and I suspect that it would've been a simple matter for a Skrull to knock him out then.

On the beyonder thing -- I suspect that he knew -- because they were showing flashbacks but he denied it because a) he was ashamed; or b) it was some secret that the Inhumans were keeping and he didn't want to let the other Illuminati know.

On the evil eye Xavier cast on Reed -- I suspect that Reed wasn't able to resist the gauntlet completely; I think Xavier must've helped him overcome it somehow and that having done that, Xavier knew that it wasn't Reed's "moral character" that saved the day.

Anyway, have any of you noticed that Thor isn't scheduled as a tie-in for the early part of the SI run? I was thinking that given how Thor was able to "free" the Asgardians from their "hosts," he might be able to use the Thor/Odinpower to do something similar and reveal who the Skrulls are. In that regard, maybe he's supposed to do that later at the end and that's why he isn't part of the crossover initially...

[Tobias Drake]

To be fair, why would he remember it?

I haven't read that issue in a while, but I figure it would be some ceremonial thing where the king sits in the audience.

A guest speaker who shakes everybody's hand, won't remember any of those people's names three days later.

I figure the Beyonder is just manipulating people's perceptions of him. He's trying to write an exciting origin story for himself that makes people go "Wow", but he can't make up his mind and keeps changing it.

[Affinity]

I suspect that WW Hulk is when a lot of the "Skrulling" began -- particularly for Blackbolt -- he was pretty badly beat-up and I suspect that it would've been a simple matter for a Skrull to knock him out then.

On the beyonder thing -- I suspect that he knew -- because they were showing flashbacks but he denied it because a) he was ashamed; or b) it was some secret that the Inhumans were keeping and he didn't want to let the other Illuminati know.

On the evil eye Xavier cast on Reed -- I suspect that Reed wasn't able to resist the gauntlet completely; I think Xavier must've helped him overcome it somehow and that having done that, Xavier knew that it wasn't Reed's "moral character" that saved the day.

Anyway, have any of you noticed that Thor isn't scheduled as a tie-in for the early part of the SI run? I was thinking that given how Thor was able to "free" the Asgardians from their "hosts," he might be able to use the Thor/Odinpower to do something similar and reveal who the Skrulls are. In that regard, maybe he's supposed to do that later at the end and that's why he isn't part of the crossover initially...

Ooh, I like that.

There's a whole load of stank looks in the entire series. I'm not sure what 98% of them mean.

[Tobias Drake]

Ooh, I like that.

There's a whole load of stank looks in the entire series. I'm not sure what 98% of them mean.

It means they're all Skrulls, but none of them know the others are Skrulls, so they're all playing along and pretending to be the characters they're playing, but can't help but leer hatefully at the others, who they think are the actual people, when nobody's looking.

[dcarner]

Could the Beyonder be the He that loves you?

[Trey]

"I fear what will happen to you once you've been discovered"...


This refers to the secret illuminati.

[XPac]

To be fair, why would he remember it?

I haven't read that issue in a while, but I figure it would be some ceremonial thing where the king sits in the audience.

A guest speaker who shakes everybody's hand, won't remember any of those people's names three days later.

Depends what he looked like I suppose. I'm pretty confident I'd remember someone in a white jumpsuit and gerry curls.

[Kirk G]

In Secret Wars II, the Beyonder was basically popping in and out of Marvel superheroes lives, trying to become something he wasn't, and manipulating/changing people/events/situations on a whim. That Black Bolt doesn't remember him wadding into the mists is no big thing... I DON"T REMEMBER IT EITHER!

[mikekerr3]

Could the Beyonder be the He that loves you?

If the Beyonder wanted the Skrull to have earth they would have it. No fuss or sneakiness required, humans and heros. would just not be in the way any more.

On a asolute power scale the combined Heros of earth may be a 10 but he is 10 million. With him you either convice in to see it your way or you lose.

[XPac]

If the Beyonder wanted the Skrull to have earth they would have it. No fuss or sneakiness required, humans and heros. would just not be in the way any more.

On a asolute power scale the combined Heros of earth may be a 10 but he is 10 million. With him you either convice in to see it your way or you lose.

Perhaps the Beyonder personally doesn't want earth...but the skrulls that are taking over the earth sort of worship him anyways. Religion is often used as an excuse to wage war even if it's not necessarily what "god" might want.

[Will.S]

Not all of the stuff in the Illuminati is going to tie into Secret Invasion such as the Secret Wars one. The only other issue that probably won't tie into SI too heavily will be the Infinity Gauntlet/Gems issue. Black Bolt having a gem and being abducted I can see but the rest seems pretty cosmic or left to be brought up somewhere else down the line.

The rest like the Illuminati attacking the skrull homeworld, Marvel Boy eventually going to choose to become the new Captain Marvel, and the last issue with the Super Skrulls are definitely tying into SI.

[jackolover]

In Secret Wars II, the Beyonder was basically popping in and out of Marvel superheroes lives, trying to become something he wasn't, and manipulating/changing people/events/situations on a whim. That Black Bolt doesn't remember him wadding into the mists is no big thing... I DON"T REMEMBER IT EITHER!

And I'm not sure how old Black Bolt is. When he first appeared in the FF he looked in his 30's. What age is the Beyonder? 20 - 30? I'd say BB was a kid at the time, and the previous King saw this Beyonder come out of the Terrigen mists. In which case, who was the king before Bolt?

[drinkblatzbeer]

it seems like a few people have asked and speculated if black bolt was replaced either after secret wars, or world war hulk...

i thought it was pretty much a given that it was during the story in illuminati #1 when he just shows up during the escape ??

also, thought that him trying to get the back of the ship opened up was a try at getting them recaught??

[XPac]

Not all of the stuff in the Illuminati is going to tie into Secret Invasion such as the Secret Wars one. The only other issue that probably won't tie into SI too heavily will be the Infinity Gauntlet/Gems issue. Black Bolt having a gem and being abducted I can see but the rest seems pretty cosmic or left to be brought up somewhere else down the line.

The rest like the Illuminati attacking the skrull homeworld, Marvel Boy eventually going to choose to become the new Captain Marvel, and the last issue with the Super Skrulls are definitely tying into SI.

Yeah, but the thing is that the Secret Wars issue is really the one one I can't see any sort of connection to at all (at least so far).

First and last issue both have obvious connections to Secret Invasion. I'm assuming the Infinity Gauntlet issue will involve the gems in the story, while the Marvel Boy issues sets up Marvel Boys appearance. But Secret Wars seems to come out of nowhere.

[KetchFrayz]

it seems like a few people have asked and speculated if black bolt was replaced either after secret wars, or world war hulk...

i thought it was pretty much a given that it was during the story in illuminati #1 when he just shows up during the escape ??

also, thought that him trying to get the back of the ship opened up was a try at getting them recaught??

that's when i thought Blackbolt was replaced, too

[Kirk G]

And I'm not sure how old Black Bolt is. When he first appeared in the FF he looked in his 30's. What age is the Beyonder? 20 - 30? I'd say BB was a kid at the time, and the previous King saw this Beyonder come out of the Terrigen mists. In which case, who was the king before Bolt?

I think part of that was the uncertain design of Jack Kirby in FF #45-46.

As for the prior king, I think you have to check out the third installment of Tales of the Inhumans, which may fall in about Thor #148, if I recall correctly.
Can anyone help? Can anyone confirm the King's name was Aaron?:rolleyes:

[Bingo!]

so, the next panel is what I am now focusing on...
Xavier's glare...i'm guessing towards richards?
seems like either a glare of suspicion, or a glare of hatred...
either way he knows something, what is that?


I also noticed that glare. It was very suspicious and similar to other blackened-eye-glare "Skrull" glares. These glares occur in many BMB written stories. In House of M #7, Wanda's memory of her emotional conversation with Pietro leads to his suggestion that she change everything. During this portion of his pleading, he has the now classic blacken-eye-glare that some of the revealed Skrulls have. Coincidence?

[tpnmvz]

This is my first post,

and I have to point out that almost everyone during the escape sequence in NA:Illuminati #1 seemed to show everyone getting freed except one very silent person.

Black Bolt normally would not speak, but we do not even see how he was rescued from that vocal immobilizer thing. Tony had to steal some pants from a Skrull, Xavier does some mind blasts after he gets out, Namor makes a quip, and Reed has to be freed from the giant taffy machine, but we do not get any details about Black Bolt who just silently joins them.

This would make it highly troubling if he was Skrull-ified at this point since it implies that Skrulls would have had access to an Infinity Gem.

[TheORKINMan]

If the Skrulls have the Power Gem that would explain why they are able to duplicate anyone's powers. Does it show which gem Black Bolt got?

[TheORKINMan]

If the Skrulls have the Power Gem that would explain why they are able to duplicate anyone's powers. Does it show which gem Black Bolt got?

[The Black Guardian]

If the Skrulls have the Power Gem that would explain why they are able to duplicate anyone's powers. Does it show which gem Black Bolt got?
Black Bolt got the Space Gem.

The Inhuman king before Blackagar was Agon, his father. Blackagar was 20 when he became king, so he probably wouldn't be too old now.

[Alex L]

it seems like a few people have asked and speculated if black bolt was replaced either after secret wars, or world war hulk...

i thought it was pretty much a given that it was during the story in illuminati #1 when he just shows up during the escape ??

also, thought that him trying to get the back of the ship opened up was a try at getting them recaught??

That makes a helluva lot of sense, except that he "talks" to his wife through body language.

Not sure about exact timelines (sliding scale and all), but I believe the events in NA:I happened years ago.

And as much as I don't want to be "that guy" in the discussion who nitpicks everything to death, that to me is kind of a biggie. She, of all people, would instantly know that something's not right.

[jackolover]

That makes a helluva lot of sense, except that he "talks" to his wife through body language.

Not sure about exact timelines (sliding scale and all), but I believe the events in NA:I happened years ago.

And as much as I don't want to be "that guy" in the discussion who nitpicks everything to death, that to me is kind of a biggie. She, of all people, would instantly know that something's not right.

Nobody can detect Skrulls, except the new Captain Marvel, so I can excuse Medusa for not finding out, if Wolvy and Spiderman don't know.

[XPac]

Nobody can detect Skrulls, except the new Captain Marvel, so I can excuse Medusa for not finding out, if Wolvy and Spiderman don't know.

It is kind of embarrasing though if you can't recognize your own husband. Does the skrull do EVERYTHING like Black Bolt so perfectly that she can't see any differences? I won't say I blame Medusa necessarily... but she's gonna have to wipe a bit of egg off her face for that.

[jackolover]

It is kind of embarrasing though if you can't recognize your own husband. Does the skrull do EVERYTHING like Black Bolt so perfectly that she can't see any differences? I won't say I blame Medusa necessarily... but she's gonna have to wipe a bit of egg off her face for that.

If you read Captain Marvel #6, in that it the Skrulls go to a lot of trouble to make the host feel just like the target character.

[Alex L]

If you read Captain Marvel #6, in that it the Skrulls go to a lot of trouble to make the host feel just like the target character.

But it's body language, which is significantly harder to pull off than verbal skills (where you might not notice slight differences in speech) or smells (which could be implanted).

Bolt uses body language for everything -- even to say the mashed potatoes at dinner could have used a little more butter. If the Skrull does it wrong, he might be 'saying' the mashed potatoes could have used a little more toilet. I can't fathom anybody pulling that off, long-term, without years of training and shadowing BB himself.

[jackolover]

But it's body language, which is significantly harder to pull off than verbal skills (where you might not notice slight differences in speech) or smells (which could be implanted).

Bolt uses body language for everything -- even to say the mashed potatoes at dinner could have used a little more butter. If the Skrull does it wrong, he might be 'saying' the mashed potatoes could have used a little more toilet. I can't fathom anybody pulling that off, long-term, without years of training and shadowing BB himself.

Sure, with Marv, he has nobody he has to impress, but look at the trouble the Skrulls went with Marv. They got him down to the personality stage.

Whose to say the personality flaws in BB from the Silent War aren't due to the Skrull in him, and Medusa still wasn't suspicious? Skrulls are doing good work, now. Just Ask Xavier who tried to read the Skrulls mind and found it was Bolt all over. They are making these dupes insidiously perfect, now.

[xohair]

….so, the next panel is what I am now focusing on...
Xavier's glare...i'm guessing towards richards?
seems like either a glare of suspicion, or a glare of hatred...
either way he knows something, what is that?....


Here’s my cue…
Remember what advice The Watcher gave to the Illuminati right then and there? He said they should each take a gem and hide it someplace without telling each other, and not even their own close friend/family etc…that the location of the gem should be hidden in their own respective minds ONLY….That, right there is the hint I’m sure…

….because it seems they forgot that they can keep anything hidden in their own mind, but not from Xavier....

My guess is, they were hinting on the fact that if someone wanted to collect all gems, in order to complete You-Know-What-Gauntlet, all they have to do is get to Xavier…and let the psychic probing of the world’s MOST powerful telepath prevail….catch my drift? :evilsmile:

[IronPalm]

It is kind of embarrasing though if you can't recognize your own husband. Does the skrull do EVERYTHING like Black Bolt so perfectly that she can't see any differences? I won't say I blame Medusa necessarily... but she's gonna have to wipe a bit of egg off her face for that.

"egg", you call it.

[Choppa]

Do we know what it was that the Skrulls got from them yet? I'm referring to the end of the first issue where the King Skrull says to let them go because he got what they wanted.