Thor Vs Red Hulk

[Magneto Rocks]

Okay, Hulk's the Hulk and Thor's an Avenger so I took the middle ground and stuck it on the Marvel Universe boards. :D From the new Cup o' Joe:

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week004/HULKTHE_COV_VAR_COL.jpg

"Now let's be clear—This doesn't mean in any way that you should expect a Hulk vs. Thor fight or anything as this is obviously an unauthorized leak and I have no idea where you've heard any of this ridiculous stuff.

Oh, okay, you got me. FIGHT, FIGHT!!!"

Looks like the Battle of the Marvel Titans is happening again- both characters virtually stronger than they've ever been. This means one of three things:

1. If Loeb writes it, Hulk wins
2. If JMS writes it, Thor wins
3. If someone else writes it, another tie!

Let the arguments commence once more!

[XPac]

Does Thor still have the Odinforce? If he does, any version of Hulk wouldn't be much of a fight in theory. Though in practice Thor likes to mix it up, leaving any version of the Hulk with a opening to actually win.

Anyways, Hulk vs Thor fights are always fun. It's almost the marvel equivalent of Godzilla vs King Kong.

[Magneto Rocks]

Thor seems to have the Odinforce but only use it sporadically. He clearly didn't use it against Tony (hence Tony's survival), but he MUST have used it against the Destroyer to be able to survive so easily. He may not use it against Hulk if he doesn't want to accidentally atomise him or something.

[Thursaiz]

It depends who this Hulk really is. I think Thor held back in the past, as he knew it was Banner and didn't want to kill him. If this Hulk turns out to be a killing machine, Thor will want to stop him quickly.

[cernunnos]

I for one cannot wait for this fight to happen. I think the artist for Thor's book drew the cover, so I'm assuming the fight happens in Thor. I could be wrong, though.

[cernunnos]

Does Thor still have the Odinforce? If he does, any version of Hulk wouldn't be much of a fight in theory. Though in practice Thor likes to mix it up, leaving any version of the Hulk with a opening to actually win.

Anyways, Hulk vs Thor fights are always fun. It's almost the marvel equivalent of Godzilla vs King Kong.

Thor still has the Odinforce.

[XPac]

Too bad... I was actually kind of hoping that he'd use up the Odin force to bring back Asgard. It makes him a bit too uber in my book... hell, he was already pretty dam uber even without the Odin Force.

Even a fight with Hulk really shouldn't amount to much if he's got the Odin Force.

Well, I suppose down the line they could just have him lose the Odin Force by bringing back Odin.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Usually, I'd root for the Hulk. That's when he's Banner. Since he isn't...


GO THOR!

Really, I expect Thor to win.



And this isn't a "good" Hulk, so fuck 'im.

[Camron Amaya]

Too bad... I was actually kind of hoping that he'd use up the Odin force to bring back Asgard. It makes him a bit too uber in my book... hell, he was already pretty dam uber even without the Odin Force.

Even a fight with Hulk really shouldn't amount to much if he's got the Odin Force.

Well, I suppose down the line they could just have him lose the Odin Force by bringing back Odin.

If you read last issue of Thor you know that's unlikely. At least for a long time. So yea Hulk WINNING would be pretty ridiculous. Holding his own though is perfectly understandable...and expected.

[Buddy Lee]

thor is going to blow hulk to smithereens!

[CyberCoyote]

Usually, I'd root for the Hulk. That's when he's Banner. Since he isn't...


GO THOR!

Really, I expect Thor to win.



And this isn't a "good" Hulk, so f#$k 'im.

It'd be nice if Rulk there had just enough raw power to get Thor nice and pissed. I hope he does, he deserves that Mjolner enema Amazing Spidey's referencing :biggrin:

[HouseSolo]

What I wanna know is how big this damn Red Hulk is. I mean She Hulk is supposed to be like 7 or 8 feet tall right? He held her in his freakin hand with her legs and head barely sticking out.

That said, this Hulk is supposed to be way stronger than Banner, and Banner beat the shit out of Thor brutally in Hulk Annual 2001, so I can only assume Red Hulk would kick his ass unless he uses the Odin Force. Or according to the last Thor issue, the newly retitles Thor Force.

[rZi]

Draws are boring in comics....generaly anyway. Let Thor bash the imposter

[DaeJi]

That said, this Hulk is supposed to be way stronger than Banner, and Banner beat the shit out of Thor brutally in Hulk Annual 2001, so I can only assume Red Hulk would kick his ass unless he uses the Odin Force. Or according to the last Thor issue, the newly retitles Thor Force.

That was such a stupid fight... anyway, Thor is going to win this. Thor, given his powers, should always win this fight, but with the Odin (Thor) Force, it isn't even a fight. It's just... unfair.

[HouseSolo]

That was such a stupid fight... anyway, Thor is going to win this. Thor, given his powers, should always win this fight, but with the Odin (Thor) Force, it isn't even a fight. It's just... unfair.

I certainly hope Thor wins, because I loathe the very idea of this "Red Hulk" but who knows. The point with Hulk beating Thor is that he's so much stronger his powerds don't matter as much. Plus in that same annual Thor knocked him out with lightning once so it wasn't totally ridiculous. I love that comic. Pisses Thor fans off to no end.

[DaeJi]

I certainly hope Thor wins, because I loathe the very idea of this "Red Hulk" but who knows. The point with Hulk beating Thor is that he's so much stronger his powerds don't matter as much. Plus in that same annual Thor knocked him out with lightning once so it wasn't totally ridiculous. I love that comic. Pisses Thor fans off to no end.

I don't care that the Hulk got to Thor, it was just a bad comic all the way.

[Camron Amaya]

Saying Hulk is "so much stronger" then Thor is kind of an exagaration.

Lets face it. Writers have been turnig Thor into a drooling moron for decades in very fight between them, in order for the Hulk to get a tie.

[Emperor Time]

I hope that Thor wins big time.

[ivesaidway2much]

If there's one person who can unite Thor and Hulk fans it's Jeph Loeb. Go Thor!!! Beat that sun-burned, cheap, knock-off Hulk!

[Magneto Rocks]

Hmm... Tom Brevoort mentioned a while ago on his blog that they had yet another debate about who would win- Hulk or Thor, and said that since Jeph Loeb was there and JMS wasn't, Hulk wins this round.

...OH NO! :eek:

:wink:

EDIT: What is this...??? Myself... and ivesaidway2much... AGREEING?

I... I...

QUE?

[XerxesNinja]

Now that Thor is back & full force, he would beat ANY Hulk... red, green, purple or puce.

[Trey]

Thor still has the Odinforce.

You don't know that. In fact he used so much power to bring back everyone, he has to enter the Thorsleep. When he wakes, i'm betting he does not have the Odinforce. In fact, he did not have it during Ragnarak. He lost it when he came back from the Future.

[XerxesNinja]

You don't know that. In fact he used so much power to bring back everyone, he has to enter the Thorsleep. When he wakes, i'm betting he does not have the Odinforce. In fact, he did not have it during Ragnarak. He lost it when he came back from the Future.

Yea he'll have the new & improved version the mighty Thorforce.

[HouseSolo]

Yea he'll have the new & improved version the mighty Thorforce.

Oh ya? What gives you the idea it will be upgraded in someway? I can't imagine they'd do anything like that. No need to make the Thor/Odin Force yet more powerful.

[bjtrdff]

Oh ya? What gives you the idea it will be upgraded in someway? I can't imagine they'd do anything like that. No need to make the Thor/Odin Force yet more powerful.


The improvement was Thor mastering the ruins. It was specificaly stated in his series that he was doing things beyond what his father did (i.e. pulled out both of his eyes).

It might not be improved, but Thor should destroy the Hulk now, red or not.

However, given whose writing it, There will probably be a lot of retardation by Thor, and some sort of draw. Gay.

[XPac]

However, given whose writing it, There will probably be a lot of retardation by Thor, and some sort of draw. Gay.

Which is exactly why they should probably depower Thor of the Odinforce if they haven't already done so when he brought back Asgard.

You don't want to put Thor in a position where he needs to be written like a retard in order to make him a usable character.

[ColdContagious]

Yeah id much prefer a Thor/Hulk battle written by somebody who isn't writng either of their respective titles. Though i believe that JMS would make BOTH characters fight just as well. Loeb i think is gonna job Thor out to make his precious Red Hulk seem even cooler. Ugh i wish they wouldn't allow this.

[Magneto Rocks]

Depends on JMS's feelings for Hulk. Remember, he said that Spidey thought he had a way to take down Hulk and kill him. If JMS' feelings for Hulk were similar to his views on, say, Iron Man, the fight would be one lightning bolt long.

...Just as it should be. :cool:

[ColdContagious]

Lately, ive found myself more of a Thor fan, than a Hulk one. Idk, i guess i'm just tired of everybody thinking that the Hulk should win every fight, everytime. I much prefer a hero that gets challenged.

[XPac]

Lately, ive found myself more of a Thor fan, than a Hulk one. Idk, i guess i'm just tired of everybody thinking that the Hulk should win every fight, everytime. I much prefer a hero that gets challenged.

Truthfully, you could say the same thing about BOTH characters... and you'd be right. Either one should basially win almost every fight. And both usually do. I suppose that's why it's the marvel equivalent of King Kong vs Godzilla.

That said, this isn't Hulk... it's Red Hulk. So the rules are potentially different. Whether that works in favor of or against Hulk remains to be seen.

[Will.S]

That said, this isn't Hulk... it's Red Hulk. So the rules are potentially different. Whether that works in favor of or against Hulk remains to be seen.
Hmm well I haven't noticed any difference in power level from the green Hulk other than having smarts and being more ruthless really.

[bd2999]

Always down for a good Thor and Hulk throw down. I prefer the classic green, becuase this red thing is not really the Hulk, although it looks like him and is him for the most part. I am only worried that if Thor has the full Odin power there would not be a fight. The fight would just end. If he does not use it then I can see it being a fight.

[XPac]

Hmm well I haven't noticed any difference in power level from the green Hulk other than having smarts and being more ruthless really.

Well, there's certainly the issue of power level, which at least on paper seem comparable.

But the other issue of it not being the REAL Hulk is that the character might not be as protected by the writer. The Banner Hulk is an icon, and to a degree many writers will give him a bit of a jobber aura because of that.

That may not apply to Red Hulk. But that's not something we can really know till we actually see the story.

[Lochdale]

I certainly hope Thor wins, because I loathe the very idea of this "Red Hulk" but who knows. The point with Hulk beating Thor is that he's so much stronger his powerds don't matter as much. Plus in that same annual Thor knocked him out with lightning once so it wasn't totally ridiculous. I love that comic. Pisses Thor fans off to no end.

Thor has such a variety of powers that if he fought with even an ounce of inteligence he should beat the Hulk each and every time.

[dabig2]

Most likely it'll be some kind of draw. Let's get honest here folks, you'll never in your lifetime see either one of these characters getting beat definitively by the other in standard continuity, and while the Red Hulk may not be the true Hulk (as far as we know), he's still the star of his new book, this fight will likely happen in his new book, and Loeb and McGuiness have apparently planned for him to go to power levels yet not seen. Seriously, if you're expecting Thor to dominate in any fight he engages in the Hulk no matter the incarnation or storyline, you're setting yourself up for bitter disappointment and anger. Should be a fun ride anyways.

fanboymode/ Looking forward to seeing Thor's plot device hammer shoved down his throat by the walking plot device. The shouts of "bu...bu....bu" will be glorious indeed. Alright, that's enough baiting for today. /fanboymode

[Camron Amaya]

You don't know that. In fact he used so much power to bring back everyone, he has to enter the Thorsleep. When he wakes, i'm betting he does not have the Odinforce. In fact, he did not have it during Ragnarak. He lost it when he came back from the Future.

Yes we do know that. He had the odinforce when he came back in this new series. And he DID have it in Ragnarok in the end, he only didn't at the start. He not only had the Odinforce there but the rune power too.

The ghostly little spirit kid leading him at first WAS the Odinforce.

Only thing you might be right about is he could wake up without it now, which would be idiotic cuz it would defeat the purpose of the Odinsleep in the first place.

"oh well I slept and everything but....nothing happend!" lol

[DocCook]

Thor still has the Odinforce. Thor has the Thorforce. And he just went into his Thorsleep to recharge it in #7. He will be back and pretty much unstoppable strength for strength. Who knows how they will find a way to make any finds not just simple onesided affairs.

[ivesaidway2much]

How come this thread got moved to the Hulk forum? Have the mods of this messageboard finally acknowledged that the mighty Thor is little more than a popular Hulk supporting character?

[DaeJi]

How come this thread got moved to the Hulk forum? Have the mods of this messageboard finally acknowledged that the mighty Thor is little more than a popular Hulk supporting character?

More likely because this will be in the Hulk book, since only in his own book does the Hulk stand a chance against the power of Thor.

[XPac]

More likely because this will be in the Hulk book, since only in his own book does the Hulk stand a chance against the power of Thor.

I would assume that Hulk, regardless of which book he fought Thor and and who wrote it, would have a good showing.

Iron Man got a bit squashed in JMS's Thor book ... but power level aside there were other issues in play there which factored into how and why that fight went down. Factors which probably won't come into play with the Hulk.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone that thinks that Thor with the Odinforce shouldn't be too much for the Hulk... but honestly I think the only way to give people their moneys worth is to make this a real competitive 5 star main event fight.

This is marvels equivalent of Godzilla vs King Kong (even though we all know Godzilla could and should kick King Kongs @$$). If you're not going to give a good competitive fight, there's no point in having the fight to begin.

[beetheb]

This is marvels equivalent of Godzilla vs King Kong (even though we all know Godzilla could and should kick King Kongs @$$.I dunno, Pac. Kong sure did whoop some T-Rex ass in his movie. Godzilla has flight and fire-breath, but Kong's got the edge on strength, agility and intelligence.

I'm going for a Kong win, here.

[XPac]

I dunno, Pac. Kong sure did whoop some T-Rex ass in his movie. Godzilla has flight and fire-breath, but Kong's got the edge on strength, agility and intelligence.

I'm going for a Kong win, here.

Without trying to derail this convo too much... Godzilla depending on the version has superior strength feats, superior intelligence feats, and most importantly is like 5 times bigger.

For the purposes of the fight, they made Godzilla and Kong roughly the same size, and made up a few powers Kong didn't actually have in order to even things up (the lightning touch for example). That same sort of mentality will likely factor into Thor vs Hulk... they'll meet on roughly equal footing and likely have a good competetive back and forth fight. Of course, that's just my guess. We'll see.

[Camron Amaya]

Lmao Who's Godzilla and who's Kong?

I'm guessing Godzilla = Thor cuz he has more powers?

[ivesaidway2much]

More likely because this will be in the Hulk book, since only in his own book does the Hulk stand a chance against the power of Thor.I agree that the Hulk's sidekick is pretty formidable. It should be fun a match when they tangle, no matter whose book it takes place in. But you're right it does make more sense for it to take place in Hulk. Afterall, it is the main book in the Hulk franchise.

[Hrungr]

I think it's a little premature to call this fight. Will Thor have the "Thor Power" still? Just how powerful is the new Red Hulk? We know next to nothing about him. Loeb hinted in an interview a few months back that the Red Hulk may have powers beyond just strength.

“Because of the [change in Hulk’s] power, he’s very much a force of nature. It isn’t just that he’s smashing things, he’s actually changing things as he’s growing and growing more powerful.”

[ivesaidway2much]

Without trying to derail this convo too much... Godzilla depending on the version has superior strength feats, superior intelligence feats, and most importantly is like 5 times bigger.

For the purposes of the fight, they made Godzilla and Kong roughly the same size, and made up a few powers Kong didn't actually have in order to even things up (the lightning touch for example). That same sort of mentality will likely factor into Thor vs Hulk... they'll meet on roughly equal footing and likely have a good competetive back and forth fight. Of course, that's just my guess. We'll see.LOL. First Thor vs. Hulk. Now, a King Kong vs. Godzilla Rumble. What's next pirates vs. ninjas? But you should keep two things in mind. Kong is covered in fur. And Godzilla breathes fire.

[bjtrdff]

LOL. First Thor vs. Hulk. Now, a King Kong vs. Godzilla Rumble. What's next pirates vs. ninjas? But you should keep two things in mind. Kong is covered in fur. And Godzilla breathes fire.



Ninjas would kick pirates asses.

[Trey]

More likely because this will be in the Hulk book, since only in his own book does the Hulk stand a chance against the power of Thor.

Well, that image is by Copiel, so its probably gonna be in the Thor book.


Indication are that this is not banner, right? According to rumors the Red Hulk is.......


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Thunderbolt Ross.

[pimp1911]

What if Hulk is fighting a skrull or clor.

[Spider-Sense]

Can't wait to see Red Hulk kicking Thor's ass!:biggrin:

[BauerAH]

I think it's a little premature to call this fight. Will Thor have the "Thor Power" still? Just how powerful is the new Red Hulk? We know next to nothing about him. Loeb hinted in an interview a few months back that the Red Hulk may have powers beyond just strength.

Unless something unexpected happens like Odin coming back, Thor should still have the Odinforce.

However, even if Thor didn't have it, he has way more in his arsenal than any version of Hulk for him to lose a fight, barring plot induced stupidity. All he needs to do is put Mjolnir to proper use and it shouldn't be close (like using a Godblast for example).

[carabas]

You have to keep in mind of course that Loeb has at best a very lackadaisical aproach to continuity, meaning that whether or not Thor has still has the Thorpower in his own book is completely irrelevant to whether or not he'l have it when fighting the red hulk.

[BauerAH]

Right, so in that case the outcome of the fight wouldn't matter. It'd be like Black Panther defeating Silver Surfer using a full-nelson, or in other words, dumb.

[Kutulu]

Unless something unexpected happens like Odin coming back, Thor should still have the Odinforce.

However, even if Thor didn't have it, he has way more in his arsenal than any version of Hulk for him to lose a fight, barring plot induced stupidity. All he needs to do is put Mjolnir to proper use and it shouldn't be close (like using a Godblast for example).

Yes because Thor just instantly godblasts any opponent he's up against. :rolleyes:

[Emperor Time]

The Red Hulk is going down.

[ivesaidway2much]

However, even if Thor didn't have it, he has way more in his arsenal than any version of Hulk for him to lose a fight, barring plot induced stupidity. All he needs to do is put Mjolnir to proper use and it shouldn't be close (like using a Godblast for example).Does Thor have more in his arsenal? Banner has created everything from gamma bombs to time machines to an unstable cure for cancer. Marvel junk science is a fairly powerful tool.

[Camron Amaya]

Does Thor have more in his arsenal? Banner has created everything from gamma bombs to time machines to an unstable cure for cancer. Marvel junk science is a fairly powerful tool.
1. This isn't Banner.

2. Hulk isn't gonna be making gamma bombs during the fight Lmao.

3. Yes Thor has way more in his arsenal.

[ivesaidway2much]

1. This isn't Banner.Never said it was. But based on Hulk #2, whoever he is, he seems to be pretty smart.

2. Hulk isn't gonna be making gamma bombs during the fight Lmao.Doesn't need to; they've been mass produced. Heck, there are even grenade-sized ones.

3. Yes Thor has way more in his arsenal.How so? Junk science has seemed like a fairly powerful plot device to me. It wasn't that long ago that three super geniuses in the MU cloned a god. And junk science even beat "footstep" Hulk at the end of WWH.

[BauerAH]

Yes because Thor just instantly godblasts any opponent he's up against. :rolleyes:

Nice sarcastic reply, but it was merely an example to demonstrate one of the many abilities Thor has w/ the use of Mjolnir. If you want to boil it down to something more common, the fight could end pretty fast if Thor simply teleports Hulk to another dimension.

The point is, Hulk is just a brick (strongest there is) but Thor is that and more. Add in the Odinforce and any fight between the two where Thor doesn't win quickly is a joke. At that level of power, the only credible threats to Thor are Surfer and other cosmic entities.

[Camron Amaya]

Nice sarcastic reply, but it was merely an example to demonstrate one of the many abilities Thor has w/ the use of Mjolnir. If you want to boil it down to something more common, the fight could end pretty fast if Thor simply teleports Hulk to another dimension.

The point is, Hulk is just a brick (strongest there is) but Thor is that and more. Add in the Odinforce and any fight between the two where Thor doesn't win quickly is a joke. At that level of power, the only credible threats to Thor are Surfer and other cosmic entities.

*remembers when Odin effortlessly dueled with Thanos while at the same time smacking Surfer away*

Surfer couldn't really beat the classic Thor so....I doubt he'd pose MUCH of a threat to the Odinforce. But then again his levels have fluctuated too. I'd definetly give him better chances then the hulk.

[Kutulu]

Nice sarcastic reply, but it was merely an example to demonstrate one of the many abilities Thor has w/ the use of Mjolnir. If you want to boil it down to something more common, the fight could end pretty fast if Thor simply teleports Hulk to another dimension.

The point is, Hulk is just a brick (strongest there is) but Thor is that and more. Add in the Odinforce and any fight between the two where Thor doesn't win quickly is a joke. At that level of power, the only credible threats to Thor are Surfer and other cosmic entities.

The only joke here is you over exaggerating Thor's battle tactics. First off, use of the "Thorforce" drains Thor, in case you forgot. Thor isn't going to just godblast away everybody he meets, else he'd be in Thorsleep for a very long time. Secondly Thor can't just instantly teleport people away, it takes time to create the dimensional portal, and Hulk isn't going to just stand there while he does it. Thirdly Hulk has already been trapped in between dimensions before and has had battles that shook entire dimensions while there. So it isn't as easy a task as you make it out to be, which is why Thor doesn't gain instant wins over Hulk like the Thor fanboys like to think.

[jigrig]

Godblast vs. Hulkfart?
Hulkfart wins every time, not even Hulks purple pants would survive that.:biggrin:

[Drdmx]

Glad the topic was made cause I enjoyed the image at the top of the thread... looks cool. Other than that, kinda surprised about the buy in by both groups of fanboys as to who will win.

The only thing I'd think that could make it very interesting outside of what Big Green always does is the strategy that may be implemented by the suspected alter ego of the Red Hulk. He seems very cunning and aggressive, and seems to be creative with his attacks. I think it'll be a nice challenge for whoever does the story.


Also, we may see more "Weapons" involved to even the playing field. If Red Hulk can bust out a gun and take out Blonsky permenantly, I'm interested to see what he might have in store for old "I cant believe it's not butter" to even up the odds.

[Kutulu]

Glad the topic was made cause I enjoyed the image at the top of the thread... looks cool. Other than that, kinda surprised about the buy in by both groups of fanboys as to who will win.

The only thing I'd think that could make it very interesting outside of what Big Green always does is the strategy that may be implemented by the suspected alter ego of the Red Hulk. He seems very cunning and aggressive, and seems to be creative with his attacks. I think it'll be a nice challenge for whoever does the story.


Also, we may see more "Weapons" involved to even the playing field. If Red Hulk can bust out a gun and take out Blonsky permenantly, I'm interested to see what he might have in store for old "I cant believe it's not butter" to even up the odds.

I'm just hoping to see Thor get thrashed to piss of his many league of fanboys. If Red Hulk puts a hurting on Thor, you can bet you will be hearing PIS screamed out for the next 2-3 years, despite the Red Hulk being a new character, simply because he has "Hulk" connected to his name.

[DaeJi]

I'm just hoping to see Thor get thrashed to piss of his many league of fanboys. If Red Hulk puts a hurting on Thor, you can bet you will be hearing PIS screamed out for the next 2-3 years, despite the Red Hulk being a new character, simply because he has "Hulk" connected to his name.

Gee, imagine what would happen in Thor won? I mean, it's not going to happen because Red Hulk is a Hulk and Hulks don't lose (fans of either character need to deal with that), but just imagine if Thor was the winner? Thor fans can't even try to be as bad as Hulk fans, simply because there's more Hulk fans. To date, there's is nothing that either Hulk has done that should allow either of them to beat Thor (by the way I'm talking about usual feats, not the BS one time only feats life clapping away a galaxy or holding up a mountain). But it happens, and it's going to happen.

[gorthon616]

Gee, imagine what would happen in Thor won? I mean, it's not going to happen because Red Hulk is a Hulk and Hulks don't lose (fans of either character need to deal with that), but just imagine if Thor was the winner? Thor fans can't even try to be as bad as Hulk fans, simply because there's more Hulk fans. To date, there's is nothing that either Hulk has done that should allow either of them to beat Thor (by the way I'm talking about usual feats, not the BS one time only feats life clapping away a galaxy or holding up a mountain). But it happens, and it's going to happen.

He did beat mr. million exploding suns.

[DaeJi]

He did beat mr. million exploding suns.

Comic fans are far, far, far too literal. Has no one heard of hyperbole?

[gorthon616]

Comic fans are far, far, far too literal. Has no one heard of hyperbole?

Yes. But I never counted "there's no evidence that he's capable of doing that" as being a hyperbole. A hyperbole is an exaggeration. When you change a "there is" to a "there is not," you are not exaggerating a point, you're missing it.

But far be it from me to get into an English discussion.

In any case, I do hope that Thor beats on the Hulk. I don't think Red Hulk has the same "endless upper limit" thing going on as Green Hulk. And I don't see why Hulk would be really PO'ed at Thor to push him over the top. And without that, Thor should win.

[ivesaidway2much]

Gee, imagine what would happen in Thor won? I mean, it's not going to happen because Red Hulk is a Hulk and Hulks don't lose (fans of either character need to deal with that), but just imagine if Thor was the winner? Thor fans can't even try to be as bad as Hulk fans, simply because there's more Hulk fans.Hulk loses all the time. Whether it's Spidey's one-story truck drop, or Captain America's devastating shield-fist combo, or a random python the Hulk has his fair share of defeats. In addition, his record against superhero teams is pretty crappy. Sure he kicks a whole lot of ass, but in the end he's usually the one that goes down. Even in his own event.

To date, there's is nothing that either Hulk has done that should allow either of them to beat Thor (by the way I'm talking about usual feats, not the BS one time only feats life clapping away a galaxy or holding up a mountain). But it happens, and it's going to happen.I still don't understand why people consider that mountain range thing to be all that impressive. The Hulk has probably done a half a dozen other things that are comparable to it, even if you ignore the crazy stuff like punching through time. I mean, lifting stuff and smashing things is kind of the Hulk does. All the time.

But anyway, I think we all hope that Thor whoops this tomato-skinned impostor.

[DaeJi]

Hulk loses all the time. Whether it's Spidey's one-story truck drop, or Captain America's devastating shield-fist combo, or a random python the Hulk has his fair share of defeats. In addition, his record against superhero teams is pretty crappy. Sure he kicks a whole lot of ass, but in the end he's usually the one that goes down. Even in his own event.

In World War Hulk he lost on his own account. He still got to be the "hero." Against the more popular characters or teams yeah, the Hulk goes down more. But if you put the Hulk against any high end superhero or villain, more often than not the Hulk will win. I don't begrudge it too much, but I acknowledge the trend.

I still don't understand why people consider that mountain range thing to be all that impressive. The Hulk has probably done a half a dozen other things that are comparable to it, even if you ignore the crazy stuff like punching through time. I mean, lifting stuff and smashing things is kind of the Hulk does. All the time.

It was just an example of thing the Hulk did once than popped into my head. Really, there are times when the Hulk is seriously fan-wanked, and those times should not count towards his normal power. Thor gets that too, though it's not as bad since his moments tend to make more sense. Not much more, but more none the less.

[DaeJi]

Yes. But I never counted "there's no evidence that he's capable of doing that" as being a hyperbole. A hyperbole is an exaggeration. When you change a "there is" to a "there is not," you are not exaggerating a point, you're missing it.

What in the Hell are you going on about? "The power of a million exploding suns!" is the hyperbole I'm taking about. The Sentry is not. That. Powerful. Nor is the Void. That is what makes the saying "The power of a million exploding suns!" a hyperbole.

[tjarvis]

Not to mention the fact that they seriously jobbed out Sentry to the Hulk as well. Even if you don't think he's that powerful (and he really is supposed to be, the dude overloaded Absorbing Man for crying out loud) he still went down like a chump in that fight without using half his superpowers he should have used.

Then again, they do that with Superman all the time, so I guess it's just something that Sentry will have to get used to.

[Desmodus]

Does anyone else read this as it taking a week for Thor to create Asgard?

And if he took a week to create Asgard did he use the Odinforce/Thorforce? And if he did obviously it doesn't drain him as fast as people would think.

Personally I quite like the idea of Thor having to rest to restore his strength after using his power. It's a hell of a lot better character point that Sentry's mental problems.

I also want to see him use more of his Gaea inherited powers when/if he fights the Hulk.

[Kutulu]

In World War Hulk he lost on his own account. He still got to be the "hero." Against the more popular characters or teams yeah, the Hulk goes down more. But if you put the Hulk against any high end superhero or villain, more often than not the Hulk will win. I don't begrudge it too much, but I acknowledge the trend.

It was just an example of thing the Hulk did once than popped into my head. Really, there are times when the Hulk is seriously fan-wanked, and those times should not count towards his normal power. Thor gets that too, though it's not as bad since his moments tend to make more sense. Not much more, but more none the less.

Hulk has plenty of losses. The majority of those losses are him losing before he has a chance to really amp up. An amped Hulk can go head to head against Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion, and punch apart a planet with his fist. A non-amped Hulk get knocked out by a snake. A really angry Hulk should be virtually unstoppable. Thor and Hulk have a roughly equal record of wins against each other. The majority of those times Hulk isn't that angry at Thor.

Let me explain it in terms of math. Say you have regular Hulk. Keep in mind his strength, durability, stamina and regeneration all increase when he gets mad - not just his strength. This is on-panel and further proven in WWH vs. X-men where Wolverine fails to slash open Hulk's skin with his initial jump-in attack where he slashes Hulk and admits that he's harder to cut.

So regular Hulk, you would put his baseline strength at 100 tons. That's 10^2 power. Now let's look at some of his feats when he's angry and compare how he has changed over the years.

Holding up a spaceship while not angry at all (looks utterly calm, and keep in mind this is while he was still considered weakened) on Planet Hulk: 10,000 tons at least (10^4)
Holding up the mountain in Secret Wars: 150 billion tons. (1.5x10^11)
Holding together the tectonic plates on planet Sakaar: at least 1 quintillion tons if not more (10^18)
Destroying a meteor twice as big as Earth using one punch: 2x~5.9x10^24
Thunderclapping a galaxy: very big number

Now anybody in math knows about the difference between linear gain and geometric gain. Now look at the figures of his strength. If you translated to cash, It's the difference between a street bum and bill gates for his lower and upper strength. He literally has no cap on how angry he can get either. For those people that say he can only get so angry: that is incorrect. A normal human's physiology limits how angry they can physically get; since Hulk's physiology adapts to his anger level, he can get angrier than he was before due to the resupplying and enhancing of his body's endocrine system and it's ability to adapt.

So basically he can get angry, and that angry helps him to reach new levels of anger, which helps him to reach new levels of anger beyond that. So when someone the likes of Beyonder says he has infinite energy he can call upon, you better believe it's a serious matter. Beyonder could take Thor, Odin, and a billion other skyfathers on all at once and smash them like bugs.

To sum up: Hulk's increase in strength, durability, healing, and endurance ALL increase with anger, and there IS NO UPPER CAP. PERIOD. I have lost count on how many times this has been stated on-panel and is canon.

In addition he is tapping upon some source of extra dimensional energy to accomplish his feats; this would explain why he can do things like grab energy with his hands and rip at it, like a person would grab a blanket from a bed and pull it. It's not just once or twice that he has done these feats either, it's numerous times throughout his career. So he's not just a plain old brick like everybody paints him out to be.

So it's well within his power to defeat a god, or if he got powerful enough, even a legion of gods.

[Kutulu]

Does anyone else read this as it taking a week for Thor to create Asgard?

And if he took a week to create Asgard did he use the Odinforce/Thorforce? And if he did obviously it doesn't drain him as fast as people would think.

Personally I quite like the idea of Thor having to rest to restore his strength after using his power. It's a hell of a lot better character point that Sentry's mental problems.

I also want to see him use more of his Gaea inherited powers when/if he fights the Hulk.

Yes he did use the Thorforce to recreate Asgard and summon the rest of the Asgardians, which is why he needed "Thorsleep" to regain his energy. It's a very impressive feat.

[carabas]

To sum up: Hulk's increase in strength, durability, healing, and endurance ALL increase with anger, and there IS NO UPPER CAP. PERIOD. I have lost count on how many times this has been stated on-panel and is canon.It doesn't reall matter that this is canon. A character with no upper limit to his strength, no matter how absurdly high, is a character that is not really very interesting to read about, unles the writers constantly ignore the fact that the character is basically god's more violent older brother.

[Kutulu]

It doesn't reall matter that this is canon. A character with no upper limit to his strength, no matter how absurdly high, is a character that is not really very interesting to read about, unles the writers constantly ignore the fact that the character is basically god's more violent older brother.

Hulk is plenty interesting to read about, otherwise it wouldn't be one of the top selling comics out there right now with many messageboards dedicated to it throughout the internet.

Basically the Hulk writers look at it this way: "let's put Hulk up against someone that most people will think he has no chance against" and see what happens. It is about willpower overcoming everything in your way no matter how high it is stacked, and in that manner represents mankind overcoming adversity.

It is a plot device as well; a writer can literally make the Hulk as strong as he needs to be to face just about anything assuming the proper story is built up beforehand to illustrate how angry he is, and to get the reader to empathize with the character. It is the reason that the Hulk's long career is beset by tragedy.

[gorthon616]

What in the Hell are you going on about? "The power of a million exploding suns!" is the hyperbole I'm taking about. The Sentry is not. That. Powerful. Nor is the Void. That is what makes the saying "The power of a million exploding suns!" a hyperbole.

Then what the hell are you talking about? He beat the Sentry. I call him mr million exploding suns because I don't like the character much, so it's my way of making fun of him (which I thought would be obvious by calling him that... apparently not). I was talking about you saying there is "no evidence." And so regardless of whether or not his tagline is hyperbolic, literal, or stupid, (I go with the latter) we know he beat Sentry and we know that Sentry is at the highest levels of power. So yes, there is your evidence.

[gorthon616]

It doesn't reall matter that this is canon. A character with no upper limit to his strength, no matter how absurdly high, is a character that is not really very interesting to read about, unless the writers constantly ignore the fact that the character is basically god's more violent older brother.

And yet a comic book about "God's more violent older brother" sounds very interesting.

[ivesaidway2much]

It doesn't reall matter that this is canon. A character with no upper limit to his strength, no matter how absurdly high, is a character that is not really very interesting to read about, unles the writers constantly ignore the fact that the character is basically god's more violent older brother.Did you just call the Hulk old?!?:eek: Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. May Joe Fix-it have mercy on your soul.

[Mike Smash!]

Take this sort of thing to the Rumbles board.