Captain America #37 *Preview*

[verybored3]

my particular tjheory is that it is the real steve rogers plucked from time before he was thawed out by the avengers in avengers 4 so he is still thinking in his world war 2 mindset and wants the government to be a police state that the red skull has planned if you read brubakers interview that is the only thing that makes sense cap is still a great read brubaker should try to go for longest run on a single comic with this

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I think, after a sentence like that, you need to breathe!

[ColonelLee]

Maybe the Red Skull is really the Red Skrull. And the Steve Rogers is the real Steve Rogers...who was put in that box in the basement so a Skrull could take Captain Americas place in the world.

Did you ever think of that? No...probably not.

[carabas]

If 40's Cap wanted the govenment to be a police state, he kinda was fighting on the wrong side there.

[Bradpinder]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=94


Pretty cool, so the obvious question, Who?

Clone? I don't think it is, I think its really Steve with massive amounts of mind manipulation from the good Dr. Now whats gonna happen? Is there any of the cosmic cube left? could Bucky snag it from a S.H.I.E.L.D lab and do for Steve what he did for Buck? Go full circle?

[Asian_Invasion]

Maybe the Red Skull is really the Red Skrull. And the Steve Rogers is the real Steve Rogers...who was put in that box in the basement so a Skrull could take Captain Americas place in the world.

Did you ever think of that? No...probably not.

Why would the Red Skull be working with the Skrulls?

[Sean Walsh]

Maybe the Red Skull is really the Red Skrull. And the Steve Rogers is the real Steve Rogers...who was put in that box in the basement so a Skrull could take Captain Americas place in the world.

Did you ever think of that? No...probably not.

Actually, I think many people were thinking that when the first Skrull rumblings began; so Quesada and others just point to the scene in CAP #26 where Steve's body was on the autopsy table and it was still human (and emaciated, since the Serum was now wearing off) to say "Nope, that weren't a Skrull."

[Sean Walsh]

While "clone" seems like an easy answer, the Skull's cloned himself back to life before so historically it makes sense for him to clone Steve.

But hopefully it's the real deal, that'd be keen.

[Brian M.]

In Brubaker We Trust.

If it's a clone, I'm sure it'll be baddest damn clone in the Marvel U.

[Cthulhudrew]

Could it be one of the previous Caps? Like the Grand Director Cap? IIRC, wasn't the "self-destruct" device he used to commit suicide identical to the one that "killed" Sharon Carter back in the day?

I could be misremembering that bit, but there is a Faustus connection with the Grand Director.

[Bradpinder]

I just think clone is too easy

[4thHorseman]

Hasn't Brubaker already said it's not a clone or a skrull?

[Bradpinder]

yup, i cant remember the interview... on of the cap is still dead ones, he said its not a clone, and Cap is seperate from the skrull storylines.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Could it be one of the previous Caps? Like the Grand Director Cap? IIRC, wasn't the "self-destruct" device he used to commit suicide identical to the one that "killed" Sharon Carter back in the day?

I could be misremembering that bit, but there is a Faustus connection with the Grand Director.

Seeing how both Sharon and Faustus are prominent in this storyline, I think the Grand Director can't be far behind.

aka: yeah, I think it's the Grand Director, or a project similar to it.

[HeckBoy]

Could it be one of the previous Caps? Like the Grand Director Cap? IIRC, wasn't the "self-destruct" device he used to commit suicide identical to the one that "killed" Sharon Carter back in the day?

I could be misremembering that bit, but there is a Faustus connection with the Grand Director.Yeah, that's the theory I've been subscribing to since I first read about it. Personally, the way they're talking about him [the person in the tank], makes it seem like he's been around. I mean, if it was specifically a new Zola clone, I don't think he'd have trouble "figuring out how to awaken him." I'm always hoping it's the real Steve, but I just can't bring myself to believe that. Not yet anyway. Feels like they'd need a "bigger" event to sort this out in other than just his solo title, esp. given all the press/minis devoted to Cap's death in the first place.

[Thursaiz]

Have they gone anywhere with the Doom appearance several issues back? I'm not sure where this all fits into continuity, but the fact that Namor took Steve's body somewhere, and he was living with Doom at the end of his mini-series is odd.

Also, the reincarnated Loki has also been dealing with Doom. Could he have brought Steve back to life somehow? I'm not sure if it could even tie in anywhere, but that would be interesting.

But yes, in Brubaker we trust.

[b_sinning]

Armin Zola was able to clone Rogers before. Maybe they're making a new body for the Skull.

[TotalWorldDomination]

It's the Grand Director, the "Commie-Smasher" cap from the 50's, thought to have committed suicide after Dr. Faustus found him in cryo-suspension and brainwashed him into becoming a Nazi. Red Skull will use him as "His" cap since due to FBI procedures he looks and sounds EXACTLY like Steve Rodgers (He actually calls himself that too). Also due to an incomplete version of the Super-Solider treatment, he's super-strong but mentaly unstable like his former Bucky, Jack Monroe (later nomad, killed by winter solider).

Any questions?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Could it be one of the previous Caps? Like the Grand Director Cap? IIRC, wasn't the "self-destruct" device he used to commit suicide identical to the one that "killed" Sharon Carter back in the day?

I could be misremembering that bit, but there is a Faustus connection with the Grand Director.

Yep, I'm in agreement there. Commie-Smasher Cap makes the most sense.


On another note for the politically aware. Doesn't senator Wright seem a bit like Nebraska's Chuck Hagel? I'm not sure how politically aware bru is, but it's a thought...

[GalactaSurfer]

Bru is the man. His Cap stories, especially this arc, has elements ripped from some of the best conspiricy theories out there.

The preview scene with Red skull and Faustus reminds me of the conspiricy of the international bankers where they are plotting the fall and takeover of America by manipulating events from behind the scenes using the power, influence, and money.

[bjtrdff]

Maybe the Red Skull is really the Red Skrull. And the Steve Rogers is the real Steve Rogers...who was put in that box in the basement so a Skrull could take Captain Americas place in the world.

Did you ever think of that? No...probably not.



As clever as that is, Brubaker has stated that Cap won't overlap with Secret Invasion, unless Bendis makes use of Bucky Cap. The one we've seein in 36 isn't a clone.

Nice sassy try though.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Bru is the man. His Cap stories, especially this arc, has elements ripped from some of the best conspiricy theories out there.

The preview scene with Red skull and Faustus reminds me of the conspiricy of the international bankers where they are plotting the fall and takeover of America by manipulating events from behind the scenes using the power, influence, and money.

Its a facet of Direct Foreign Investment... and it's not a conspiracy theory, where the chinese goverment is concerned it's know a the "Financial Nuclear option". We do something they don't like and they pull all of there money held in American Direct Bonds, destroying the American economy (And probably destroying theres too, since they rely on us as customers). I think they did a spot about it on 60 minutes not too long ago.

What Bru is BRILLIANTLY doing is taking every "Worst Case" scenario about our current globalized capitalist system (The distrust of goverment, Manipulation of markets, the fact that people care more about gas prices then themselves) and letting the Red Skull do it. And in the end Capitan America, Iron Man and Black Widow will save us all. It's gonna be great.

[Dawidos]

By the way, do you have any theory who can be this woman who The Red Skull is talking to at the first pages of Captain America #37. Ed Brubaker has said in one of interviews that he is going to look into the past of Sin, the Red Skull's daughter. Maybe this woman is her future mother :)

[SnakeEater]

Armin Zola was able to clone Rogers before. Maybe they're making a new body for the Skull.
i just got the omnibus of this series and the rest in reg issues and when i first read issue 2 i was shocked. I know NOTHING about captain america until this omnibs and still dont know anything but to find out skull was a clone just shocked me.
with Skull and Lukin in the same body i could only imagine two things happening here - either skull takes over lukin completely which seems like what may eventually happen or they clone caps body again and put skull back in that clone body.
but considering skull said Buck aint the only one to go around wearing a captain america suit im wondering just what the hell skull has in mind. Maybe its a clone of cap sure - and skull with take over the government (which looks to be the case in solits) and then claim he revived Captain america or that shield lied the whole time about his death

[GalactaSurfer]

Its a facet of Direct Foreign Investment... and it's not a conspiracy theory, where the chinese goverment is concerned it's know a the "Financial Nuclear option". We do something they don't like and they pull all of there money held in American Direct Bonds, destroying the American economy (And probably destroying theres too, since they rely on us as customers). I think they did a spot about it on 60 minutes not too long ago.

What Bru is BRILLIANTLY doing is taking every "Worst Case" scenario about our current globalized capitalist system (The distrust of goverment, Manipulation of markets, the fact that people care more about gas prices then themselves) and letting the Red Skull do it. And in the end Capitan America, Iron Man and Black Widow will save us all. It's gonna be great.

Ahem former conspiracy theory... alot of stuff is coming to light. Most people are in the dark about what really happens in the world so to many they are theories.

[worstblogever]

It's a scary and frightening parallel, a third party coming out of left field, using manipulation of facts, and framing others for incompetence all the while, looking the hero during a rise to power.

Because the Red Skull's just doing what Hitler and the Nazi Party did in Germany back nearly eighty years earlier, except to the U.S. instead of Germany. Heavy, Bru. Just heavy.

[Kirk G]

Armin Zola was able to clone Rogers before. Maybe they're making a new body for the Skull.

How did Armin Zola GET to clone Rogers before?
I wasn't reading during that period of time.
How and why was it done? (This was the era of Jack Kirby's return to marvel and the MadBomb saga, right?):confused:

[CaptainCanada]

How did Armin Zola GET to clone Rogers before?
I wasn't reading during that period of time.
How and why was it done? (This was the era of Jack Kirby's return to marvel and the MadBomb saga, right?):confused:
No, he cloned a body for the Skull in the Gruenwald era, after the Skull's original body went kaput.

[Lunal]

Yeah no way thats a clone. If it is, it won't have super soldier serum in it and a fight with clone Cap versus Bucky would last about two seconds. Maybe Bucky would just throw the shield at him and when he tried to catch it, his arm would shear off.

Unless Skull has somehow duplicated the serum. That could be pretty rude.

[Jeff-X]

It's a scary and frightening parallel, a third party coming out of left field, using manipulation of facts, and framing others for incompetence all the while, looking the hero during a rise to power.

Because the Red Skull's just doing what Hitler and the Nazi Party did in Germany back nearly eighty years earlier, except to the U.S. instead of Germany. Heavy, Bru. Just heavy.

When I saw that preview page, the "THIRD WING" all I could think was "Third Reich..." The red, black and white news boarder was a nice touch, assuming it was intended to invoke that response.

I can just see their party symbol being a Reichsadler with a bald eagle and a star replacing the swastika.

[hysang]

Actually a clone of Cap would have all of his enhancements. When Arnim Zola cloned Steve back during the Gruenwald period, the Red Skull was a physical match for Cap and was able to engage him in hand to hand combat far more effectively than he could before. I think the writers felt that was a bad idea, so it was retconned out, somehow.

He got caught by his own dust of death, so he ended up actually having a face that looked like a red skull, rather than just wearing a mask.

[b_sinning]

Skull the clone Cap version first was in #350 of an earlier series.