Secret Invasion possibly accelerated? *Spoilers*

[timomcshade]

I was reading the Secret Invasion #1 thread and at one point we were drawing comparisons to BSG and the Cylons. Well I was thinking today about SI and for some strange reason a part of Harry Potter popped into my head and I wondered if the same thing could have happened in SI.

In HP: OOTP the Order tells Harry that he screwed up Voldy's return because he was not supposed to make it out of the Graveyard alive. He did and mobilized the Order right away and Voldy had to lay low.

How does this pertain to SI? Well we know the Skrulls have been planning this for a while and putting their agents in place but did killing Skrullektra accelerate their plans? Their first attack was very effective but were they ready to do it at that time or felt they had to because one of their agents was found prior to the execution of their plan?

What are your thoughts?

[TotalWorldDomination]

Entirely possible, if not likely. They most likely had to excellerate there plans after they discovered that Stark knew about the body and thus would be using SHIELD to go after them, if not beforehand.

[bjtrdff]

The Changelings in DS9 are a much much much better comparison than anything else that has been out there. But the new, hip BSG nerds don't acknowledge what we mid 1990s nerds have known all along.

[XPac]

I was reading the Secret Invasion #1 thread and at one point we were drawing comparisons to BSG and the Cylons. Well I was thinking today about SI and for some strange reason a part of Harry Potter popped into my head and I wondered if the same thing could have happened in SI.

In HP: OOTP the Order tells Harry that he screwed up Voldy's return because he was not supposed to make it out of the Graveyard alive. He did and mobilized the Order right away and Voldy had to lay low.

How does this pertain to SI? Well we know the Skrulls have been planning this for a while and putting their agents in place but did killing Skrullektra accelerate their plans? Their first attack was very effective but were they ready to do it at that time or felt they had to because one of their agents was found prior to the execution of their plan?

What are your thoughts?

I think so.

We saw in SI that it took Reed a fairly short amount of time to figure out how the Skrulls were suppossedly undetetable. So once the heroes are able to get their hands on a skrull, really the skrulls are on the clock. They need to make their move before Reed figures out a way to out them.

If Jessican had not been a moron (or a skrull) and handed the thing right over to Reed instead of Tony, the Skrulls might have really been in trouble. I the symbiotes and the Doom Invasion was a delay tactice to keep TOny too busy to deliver the body to Reed and in that time the skrulls basically rushed forward to prepare their attack. I don't think it's a coincidence that their D day was the same day Reed finally was able to examine the body.

[marvelboi77]

But Mr. Fantastic saw the body in Illuminati #5.

[XPac]

But Mr. Fantastic saw the body in Illuminati #5.

Yeah, but he didn't examine it. Tony ended up taking it back with him.

Had Black Bolt not revealed himself as a skrull, I think they might have ended up working together on this... but again the skrulls were one step ahead. They substituted Black Bolt, and when he revealed himself it scared the rest into not working together.

[StoneGold]

The Changelings in DS9 are a much much much better comparison than anything else that has been out there. But the new, hip BSG nerds don't acknowledge what we mid 1990s nerds have known all along.

If it makes you feel any better, really old nerds with their Bodysnatchers say you're a lousy nerd as well.

[stingerman]

I was reading the Secret Invasion #1 thread and at one point we were drawing comparisons to BSG and the Cylons. Well I was thinking today about SI and for some strange reason a part of Harry Potter popped into my head and I wondered if the same thing could have happened in SI.

In HP: OOTP the Order tells Harry that he screwed up Voldy's return because he was not supposed to make it out of the Graveyard alive. He did and mobilized the Order right away and Voldy had to lay low.

How does this pertain to SI? Well we know the Skrulls have been planning this for a while and putting their agents in place but did killing Skrullektra accelerate their plans? Their first attack was very effective but were they ready to do it at that time or felt they had to because one of their agents was found prior to the execution of their plan?

What are your thoughts?

I also think the events of Annihilation accelerated it as well.

[jackolover]

Entirely possible, if not likely. They most likely had to excellerate there plans after they discovered that Stark knew about the body and thus would be using SHIELD to go after them, if not beforehand.

....And eventually take the Skrull to Reed Richards, who would invent a Skrull detector,and thus, blow their whole operation. They had to move right away once one of their number was discovered.

It might seem like the non-detection thing was very crucial to their operation, and that if humans could find them easily, there would be no hinderance in weeding out the Skrulls, and so, ruin the whole invasion.

So maintaining the confusion distracts the humans from going about dislodging all the Skrulls strategically placed to do the most harm or damage to the law and security of the planet.

Surely, now that the Skrulls have attacked SHIELD, the rest of the UN is now aware that an attack has started, of some kind, because all communications have gone down, and that is the classical ruse by an invader - to disrupt communications and thus confuse the enemy, and the Skrulls have surely achieved all that.

Not only the UN, but the US armed Forces will have realised that they are at a disadvantage. An emergency plea for assistance would have gone out to all the organisations that could be mobilised, but will have fallen of deaf ears with the Mighty Avengers absent, the Baxter Building in ruins, and the only ones able to respond are the Camp Hammond trainees, and any 50 state Initiative teams that could be contacted, and that may be impossible because of poor communications.

Will the Skrulls feel safe enough to reveal themselves and make their pronouncements, knowing the earth armed forces are in disarray? It would be great to see that armada from SI #1, start landing and disembarkation procedures, with no resistance from the humans.

[timomcshade]

The Changelings in DS9 are a much much much better comparison than anything else that has been out there. But the new, hip BSG nerds don't acknowledge what we mid 1990s nerds have known all along.

I saw every episode of DS9 but I cannot really remember the most intimate details. Same thing with Body Snatchers. You know once your mind gets up there in age you start forgetting stuff like me! :wink: I made one of the references to BSG cause it was on my mind having started last week. I am just as much a nerd as everyone esle OK! :biggrin:

I can't believe I just said that.

[gorthon616]

The Changelings in DS9 are a much much much better comparison than anything else that has been out there. But the new, hip BSG nerds don't acknowledge what we mid 1990s nerds have known all along.

Nerd Civil War!

I just came here to say that, while I'm not a fan of Star Trek stuff in general, DS9 was pretty sweet. Sisko > Ultimate Nick Fury.

[agrich]

I think it's happening on the exact schedule Marvel intended it to, Spring/Summer 2008. :)

[bjtrdff]

If it makes you feel any better, really old nerds with their Bodysnatchers say you're a lousy nerd as well.

I opted with the series a non-60 year old would remember.

And besides, the bodysnatchers didn't have a black captain that was clearly the two-eyes inspiration for ultimate Nick Fury.

Sisko>Kirk. There, I said it.

[Walter West]

There were Bodysnatcher movies in '78 and '93, so it's not necessary to be 60ish to have watched them although it helps if you're mid-30ish like me. :redface:

[bjtrdff]

You're still withered and old. And the 70s are the only bodysnatchers decade i acknowledge.:biggrin:

[StoneGold]

And I did a little research, Heinlein's The Puppet Masters came out in '51. As far as I can tell, that would be the first secret invasion-type story with actual alien invaders taking over humans from within, as opposed to active warfare. Don Sutherland was in a movie version in '94.

[StoneGold]

Credit to Shellhead, but there was also "Who Goes There?" by John Campbell, which was the basis for Thing from Another World and John Carpenter's The Thing, written in 1938.

[Kirk G]

I saw every episode of DS9 but I cannot really remember the most intimate details. Same thing with Body Snatchers. You know once your mind gets up there in age you start forgetting stuff like me! :wink: I made one of the references to BSG cause it was on my mind having started last week. I am just as much a nerd as everyone esle OK! :biggrin:

I can't believe I just said that.

I can't either.... and I'm even older than you are, brother!:biggrin:

[spidarwin]

....And eventually take the Skrull to Reed Richards, who would invent a Skrull detector,and thus, blow their whole operation. They had to move right away once one of their number was discovered.

It might seem like the non-detection thing was very crucial to their operation, and that if humans could find them easily, there would be no hinderance in weeding out the Skrulls, and so, ruin the whole invasion.

So maintaining the confusion distracts the humans from going about dislodging all the Skrulls strategically placed to do the most harm or damage to the law and security of the planet.

Surely, now that the Skrulls have attacked SHIELD, the rest of the UN is now aware that an attack has started, of some kind, because all communications have gone down, and that is the classical ruse by an invader - to disrupt communications and thus confuse the enemy, and the Skrulls have surely achieved all that.

Not only the UN, but the US armed Forces will have realised that they are at a disadvantage. An emergency plea for assistance would have gone out to all the organisations that could be mobilised, but will have fallen of deaf ears with the Mighty Avengers absent, the Baxter Building in ruins, and the only ones able to respond are the Camp Hammond trainees, and any 50 state Initiative teams that could be contacted, and that may be impossible because of poor communications.

Will the Skrulls feel safe enough to reveal themselves and make their pronouncements, knowing the earth armed forces are in disarray? It would be great to see that armada from SI #1, start landing and disembarkation procedures, with no resistance from the humans.


I think the invasion force had to accelerate their timetable, but I think that
the key to doing so was discovery of Elektraskrull, at the particular point
when that happened. As that happened, then Spider-Woman (skrull) stuck
to a predetermined plan - take any evidence of Skrulls to Stark.

That set things in motion, with key movements being observed (Jarvis) and
manipulated (Pym, Drew) so things stayed close to the plan.

[bjtrdff]

I can't either.... and I'm even older than you are, brother!:biggrin:

BLASPHEMY!

Start watching towards the end of season 3, that's when the dominion arc starts. Season 4 is when things go really badass and you get several of the 'where are the changelings, who has been replaced' paranoia.

[timomcshade]

I can't either.... and I'm even older than you are, brother!:biggrin:

sucks getting old dude doesn't it?

[mikekerr3]

I can't either.... and I'm even older than you are, brother!:biggrin:

I'm even older:biggrin: And have the same problem, but the Hienlien stuff I remembered. Grew up on him. I get flash-backs to him everytime I see IM.

[ronnieramone]

I have a theory about the Skrull methods and how they "replace" people without being detected. The skrulls are the people they have replaced. They have been spliced with Skrull DNA and brainwashed, but they still are the original people, not born shapeshifters. That was what was going to be done to Echo by the Hand. Elektra, I think, has been a skrull since she died at the hands of Bullseye. Her dying body was taken by the Hand (which I submit has been controlled by Skrulls for hundreds of years) and then spliced with skrull DNA and turned into a sleeper agent skrull-human. She is still technically Elektra, but she is also skrull.

Hydra has been run by Skrulls for a very long time, but only recently seized back control of it from the humans they left in charge. See Amazing Spider-man (vol 10: New Avengers TP) for the Hydra story where the original rulers of Hydra return. When Spider-woman was "given her powers back" by Hydra, she was transformed into a skrull. Note the similarities between the panel of Secret Invasion where Tony, Reed and Hank-Skrull examine the body of Skrullektra and the panel in New Avengers where Spider-woman explains to Cap how Hydra gave her powers back. Giving Jessica's powers back was not all they did to her. That was the moment they skrullified her.

I believe the "He" that the Skrulls speak of when they say "He Loves You" might be none other than the Elder God, Cthon. Cthon was known to be imprisoned at least partially inside Wundagore Mountain, and later sent part of his essence into Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch when she was born on the mountain. the House of M wasn't created by Wanda herself, but the God Cthon himself, author of the Darkhold. Not coincidentally, Hydra had a scientific headquarters on Wundagore Mountain, where Jessica Drew was also born. She may also possess some portion of Cthon's power, which explains her connection to Morgan Le Fey and her ability to break free of Doom's magic in Mighty Avengers.

The Skrulls attempting to overtake Earth are doing so for religious reasons. I believe they may be attempting to release Cthon once and for all. I haven't figured out why the Skrulls would risk their plans simply to take over Echo, however. The only reason I can think of is if the Kingpin were actually a high-level skrull. It makes sense that the skrulls would want to control possibly the most powerful and influential crime boss on the planet. The Kingpin's time in Japan and as Elektra's employer make it possible to think he may have called the hand in to take Elektra's body in the first place. Kingpin also raised Maya Lopez as if she were his daughter, so he might have a strong sentimental attachment to her, and he wants her to become a skrull rather than be killed in the coming invasion.

This is all just a theory, but what do you think?

[verybored3]

your wrong because i have elektra hank pym spiderwoman dum dum dugan jarvis and the terrible tinkerer tied up in my basement and im a skrull

[timomcshade]

I have a theory about the Skrull methods and how they "replace" people without being detected. The skrulls are the people they have replaced. They have been spliced with Skrull DNA and brainwashed, but they still are the original people, not born shapeshifters. That was what was going to be done to Echo by the Hand. Elektra, I think, has been a skrull since she died at the hands of Bullseye. Her dying body was taken by the Hand (which I submit has been controlled by Skrulls for hundreds of years) and then spliced with skrull DNA and turned into a sleeper agent skrull-human. She is still technically Elektra, but she is also skrull.

Hydra has been run by Skrulls for a very long time, but only recently seized back control of it from the humans they left in charge. See Amazing Spider-man (vol 10: New Avengers TP) for the Hydra story where the original rulers of Hydra return. When Spider-woman was "given her powers back" by Hydra, she was transformed into a skrull. Note the similarities between the panel of Secret Invasion where Tony, Reed and Hank-Skrull examine the body of Skrullektra and the panel in New Avengers where Spider-woman explains to Cap how Hydra gave her powers back. Giving Jessica's powers back was not all they did to her. That was the moment they skrullified her.

I believe the "He" that the Skrulls speak of when they say "He Loves You" might be none other than the Elder God, Cthon. Cthon was known to be imprisoned at least partially inside Wundagore Mountain, and later sent part of his essence into Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch when she was born on the mountain. the House of M wasn't created by Wanda herself, but the God Cthon himself, author of the Darkhold. Not coincidentally, Hydra had a scientific headquarters on Wundagore Mountain, where Jessica Drew was also born. She may also possess some portion of Cthon's power, which explains her connection to Morgan Le Fey and her ability to break free of Doom's magic in Mighty Avengers.

The Skrulls attempting to overtake Earth are doing so for religious reasons. I believe they may be attempting to release Cthon once and for all. I haven't figured out why the Skrulls would risk their plans simply to take over Echo, however. The only reason I can think of is if the Kingpin were actually a high-level skrull. It makes sense that the skrulls would want to control possibly the most powerful and influential crime boss on the planet. The Kingpin's time in Japan and as Elektra's employer make it possible to think he may have called the hand in to take Elektra's body in the first place. Kingpin also raised Maya Lopez as if she were his daughter, so he might have a strong sentimental attachment to her, and he wants her to become a skrull rather than be killed in the coming invasion.

This is all just a theory, but what do you think?

That is a very well thought out, possibly accurate, theory. If you remember in New Avengers: Illuminati #1 the Skrulls DID do huge amounts of medical experiments on them. Reed then found it soo quickly. You may be onto something.

[b_sinning]

If it was accelerated they did a good job of timing Dugan taking out SWORD with their armada attack.

[jackolover]

I have a theory about the Skrull methods and how they "replace" people without being detected. The skrulls are the people they have replaced. They have been spliced with Skrull DNA and brainwashed, but they still are the original people, not born shapeshifters. That was what was going to be done to Echo by the Hand. Elektra, I think, has been a skrull since she died at the hands of Bullseye. Her dying body was taken by the Hand (which I submit has been controlled by Skrulls for hundreds of years) and then spliced with skrull DNA and turned into a sleeper agent skrull-human. She is still technically Elektra, but she is also skrull.

Hydra has been run by Skrulls for a very long time, but only recently seized back control of it from the humans they left in charge. See Amazing Spider-man (vol 10: New Avengers TP) for the Hydra story where the original rulers of Hydra return. When Spider-woman was "given her powers back" by Hydra, she was transformed into a skrull. Note the similarities between the panel of Secret Invasion where Tony, Reed and Hank-Skrull examine the body of Skrullektra and the panel in New Avengers where Spider-woman explains to Cap how Hydra gave her powers back. Giving Jessica's powers back was not all they did to her. That was the moment they skrullified her.

I believe the "He" that the Skrulls speak of when they say "He Loves You" might be none other than the Elder God, Cthon. Cthon was known to be imprisoned at least partially inside Wundagore Mountain, and later sent part of his essence into Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch when she was born on the mountain. the House of M wasn't created by Wanda herself, but the God Cthon himself, author of the Darkhold. Not coincidentally, Hydra had a scientific headquarters on Wundagore Mountain, where Jessica Drew was also born. She may also possess some portion of Cthon's power, which explains her connection to Morgan Le Fey and her ability to break free of Doom's magic in Mighty Avengers.

The Skrulls attempting to overtake Earth are doing so for religious reasons. I believe they may be attempting to release Cthon once and for all. I haven't figured out why the Skrulls would risk their plans simply to take over Echo, however. The only reason I can think of is if the Kingpin were actually a high-level skrull. It makes sense that the skrulls would want to control possibly the most powerful and influential crime boss on the planet. The Kingpin's time in Japan and as Elektra's employer make it possible to think he may have called the hand in to take Elektra's body in the first place. Kingpin also raised Maya Lopez as if she were his daughter, so he might have a strong sentimental attachment to her, and he wants her to become a skrull rather than be killed in the coming invasion.

This is all just a theory, but what do you think?

I don't like the Skrullification of the real heroes idea. I think they are ferreted away for filing somewhere.

I like the idea of the God Cthon in Wandagore Mountain, and the connection between Wanda and HoM, and Drew and the Doom spell breaker.

I would put Electras Skrull switch a little later, so her character isn't so recognisable in DD and MK Wolverines Enemy of the state. I put the change anytime after the Wolverine-Potus storyline.

And Jessica Drew may or may not be a Skrull, even though I originally picked her as a Skrull. Now I'm not so sure. But if you're right, then that makes Jessicas Skrull even more likely that she set-up the NA in the Savage Land for the express purpose of luring them away from ground zero when the Skrull Invasion started.

[timomcshade]

And Jessica Drew may or may not be a Skrull, even though I originally picked her as a Skrull. Now I'm not so sure. But if you're right, then that makes Jessicas Skrull even more likely that she set-up the NA in the Savage Land for the express purpose of luring them away from ground zero when the Skrull Invasion started.

Don't forget the Mighty Avengers! Remember Drew called Stark first and he said it would take time to gather everyone. SO she then went to Cage who had everybody with him already and available to steal the Quinjet. You knew that once Stark found out about that he would mose his arse to catch up and that he did. Then almost immediately after he landed he got hit with the virus.

That is a perfect attack. Fury knows what is going on but is Underground, Hydra seems to know as well but they are having an internal power struggle, The Hand obviously knows but they are also occupied with the Yashida Clan, The X-Men are still not answering, both NY Avengers teams are in the Savage land, the Inhumans know what is going on and are still on the Moon(I think) but still reeling from Blackbolt, As usual Nampr is staying out of it, as is Wakanda, and the FF are splintered with Reed in Stark's "classified" lab, Sue supposedly in Vancouver and Johnny and Ben on Babysitting duty. With all that I find it highly suspicious that Drew conviently made both the NA and MA high tail it to the Savage Land.

Something doesn't add up with her.

[timomcshade]

If it was accelerated they did a good job of timing Dugan taking out SWORD with their armada attack.

Well if Dugan was a sleeper agent, i.e. one that is activated only when needed, it makes sense. After they learned of Elektra they could have triggered Dugan to set up the visit to S.W.O.R.D. then once on the station triggered him again. Same thing with Jarvis and Pym and Blackbolt. It has never been proven that these characters know they are Skrulls. Until that is confirmed I think we need to go on the sleeper agent theory. Even with Elektra the only way they learned about that was by Echo, who they have tried to get 3times now(?), killing her. Speaking of which why is Echo soo important to the Skrulls? Is it because they do not have anybody on the NA or is it for another reason entirely like maybe trying to get some of the more Rogue elements of the Marvel U(Daredevil would be a huge coup for them) under their control?


OH I read an interview with Bendis that the April issues of NA and MA will have Skrull reveals. He also said that the Skrulls have tried to get someone but gave up because they said they did not want them anymore because they were soo boring. I can only think that is Reed.

[XPac]

Don't forget the Mighty Avengers! Remember Drew called Stark first and he said it would take time to gather everyone. SO she then went to Cage who had everybody with him already and available to steal the Quinjet. You knew that once Stark found out about that he would mose his arse to catch up and that he did. Then almost immediately after he landed he got hit with the virus.

That is a perfect attack. Fury knows what is going on but is Underground, Hydra seems to know as well but they are having an internal power struggle, The Hand obviously knows but they are also occupied with the Yashida Clan, The X-Men are still not answering, both NY Avengers teams are in the Savage land, the Inhumans know what is going on and are still on the Moon(I think) but still reeling from Blackbolt, As usual Nampr is staying out of it, as is Wakanda, and the FF are splintered with Reed in Stark's "classified" lab, Sue supposedly in Vancouver and Johnny and Ben on Babysitting duty. With all that I find it highly suspicious that Drew conviently made both the NA and MA high tail it to the Savage Land.

Something doesn't add up with her.

I go back and forth on the Jessica Drew. In this regard, I'm not sure. I do think if the skrulls were going to attack, this is exactly how they would do it. Lure both Avengers teams away. On the flip side, if this was the real Jessica Drew, I think this is exatly what she would do. I think she would call the NA and tell them what was going on, because I DO think at this point she trusts them more. So I can go either way.

But as for the whole thing about leaving NY unprotected... it really shouldn't be. The point of the 50 states Initiative should be to have enough teams available so that if Stark sends one to the Savage land, NYC isn't without protection.

[Tobias Drake]

I go back and forth on the Jessica Drew. In this regard, I'm not sure. I do think if the skrulls were going to attack, this is exactly how they would do it. Lure both Avengers teams away. On the flip side, if this was the real Jessica Drew, I think this is exatly what she would do. I think she would call the NA and tell them what was going on, because I DO think at this point she trusts them more. So I can go either way.

But as for the whole thing about leaving NY unprotected... it really shouldn't be. The point of the 50 states Initiative should be to have enough teams available so that if Stark sends one to the Savage land, NYC isn't without protection.

I think they needed them out of the way more for their simultaneous strikes. If the Mighty Avengers were in town, they could mobilize and respond immediately. The other states have to mobilize, respond, then trail through the Negative Zone to get there if the portals haven't been destroyed (which, goodbye Baxter Building, they have), even longer if they have been. The immediate New York response team was lured out to the Savage Land so they could get in and out very quickly, before the other response teams could arrive.

There's still every possibility The Order or the Thunderbolts will show up. But if the Mighty Avengers were in town, the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier could have been caught while falling. The virus attacking S.H.I.E.L.D. could have been stopped. Someone might have been in Avengers Tower and caught Jarvis, preventing him from neutralizing Stark. Etc.

EDIT: The Mighty Avengers, New York's response team, had to be out of the picture completely in order for the first blow to strike as heavy as it did. Jessica Drew did an excellent job of manipulating the New Avengers into unknowingly serving the Skrull Invasion. Just like I've been saying they would.

[XPac]

Jessica Drew did an excellent job of manipulating the New Avengers into unknowingly serving the Skrull Invasion. Just like I've been saying they would.

Tony did the same thing Jessica did by pulling out NY response team. Should we be giving him props for serving the skrull invasion as well?

If Jessica is a skrull, that's would probably be the entire point of dropping Eletra's body off to Stark in the first place.

[Zomling]

I also think the events of Annihilation accelerated it as well.

I'm still waiting for SI to arrive (I get it mail order), has anyone mentioned how the Skrulls survived the events of annihilation? As far as I can tell from that story they were pretty much on the verge of extinction by the end.

Is this another example of Marvel continuity going to pot?

[IronStarks]

I'm still waiting for SI to arrive (I get it mail order), has anyone mentioned how the Skrulls survived the events of annihilation? As far as I can tell from that story they were pretty much on the verge of extinction by the end.

Is this another example of Marvel continuity going to pot?

i dont want to spoil anythign for you, but nooone really had time to talk about the Skrulls it was more BANG-BANG, to be continued, which i loved

[bjtrdff]

There are still plenty of skrulls left, they're just on different planets, and somewhat scattered instead of having a definitive throne-world and densely populated area of space.

[timomcshade]

Tony did the same thing Jessica did by pulling out NY response team. Should we be giving him props for serving the skrull invasion as well?

If Jessica is a skrull, that's would probably be the entire point of dropping Eletra's body off to Stark in the first place.

I've been saying since BEFORE Secret Invasion even started that Iron Man was a Skrull. The guys at my local shop and even some people on this board disagree with me. Once SI #1 came out I thought Drew was a Skrull and again I get the same responses from the same groups. Which is fine as this is a discussion board so all opinions are welcome and accepted. Still when you read things and break down the events in the order in which they happened and, also get a grip on the character, these two clearly are up to something. Their behavior is off, as is Spider-Man's for that matter and I can see him being a Skrull just so JQ doesn't need to listen to us complain about OMD and BND, and that sends up red flags for me.

[XPac]

I've been saying since BEFORE Secret Invasion even started that Iron Man was a Skrull. The guys at my local shop and even some people on this board disagree with me. Once SI #1 came out I thought Drew was a Skrull and again I get the same responses from the same groups. Which is fine as this is a discussion board so all opinions are welcome and accepted. Still when you read things and break down the events in the order in which they happened and, also get a grip on the character, these two clearly are up to something. Their behavior is off, as is Spider-Man's for that matter and I can see him being a Skrull just so JQ doesn't need to listen to us complain about OMD and BND, and that sends up red flags for me.

I'm going to excluse Iron Man off the list of suspects, because his own thought bubbles show that he's not.

Of course, it's possilbe the skrulls are using sleepers that don't know that they are skrulls. Captain Marvel sort of hints at that.

Initially I didn't think Jessica was a skrull... but definately starting to move in that direction.

[Tobias Drake]

I'm going to excuse Iron Man off the list of suspects because the Skrulls just attempted to murder him.

I've been saying Jessica Drew for a while now, and I still say Jessica Drew. And I'm still suspicious about Doctor Strange, but we'll see if anything comes of that; after his departure from the NA, I'm agreeing with people who said he'll probably just sit out SI, then come back afterwards.

[XPac]

I'm going to excuse Iron Man off the list of suspects because the Skrulls just attempted to murder him.

I've been saying Jessica Drew for a while now, and I still say Jessica Drew. And I'm still suspicious about Doctor Strange, but we'll see if anything comes of that; after his departure from the NA, I'm agreeing with people who said he'll probably just sit out SI, then come back afterwards.

When you say they tried to murder him... are you talking about the last issue of Illuminati, or was there something else?

[Tobias Drake]

When you say they tried to murder him... are you talking about the last issue of Illuminati, or was there something else?

First issue of Secret Invasion. They attempted to murder him as one of their simultaneous strikes.

[XPac]

First issue of Secret Invasion. They attempted to murder him as one of their simultaneous strikes.

Oh... did they say that was suppossed to kill him? I thought it was just to disable the stark tech. I'll have to go back and reread that, I might have missed something.

I suppose now that they've made their move, he probably outlived his usefullness.

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Oh... did they say that was suppossed to kill him? I thought it was just to disable the stark tech. I'll have to go back and reread that, I might have missed something.

I suppose now that they've made their move, he probably outlived his usefullness.

See I think THAT could be a Red Herring. Seriously there is something about Tony's behavior since he got Extremis that has not been right and we know he is not drinking. *****spoiler*****I think it was NA #22 where at midnight he sent S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to get Luke Cage. The man was in his home. Then with The Iniative, after people register, they are not allowed to us anything but their superhero names? If they wash out they get their powers taken away?*****spoiler***** Granted that part is more Hank Pym(first indication that he isn't right) than Stark but it was his idea and he is the big boss.