View Full Version : Which Cap's lineage story do you think is the "official" canon?
stelok
04-07-2008, 05:37 AM
When it is said that Captain America has an ancestor named Steve Rogers who was a Continental Army captain and fought in the revolutionary War, many people attribute it to the Roger Stern/Ron Frenz's story in the short-lived Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty series. According to further information, it was intended to be an imaginary tale until the Ben Raab re-introduced the Cap's ancestor in X-Men: Hellfire Club.
However, Jack Kirby already has supplied the hints about Cap's ancestor in the Captain America volume one, #200 which Roger Stern has established a story about it.
Please read this image and tell me what you think of it.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8959/captainamerica20015ma8.jpg
On the other hand, Cap's parents are Irish immigrants, according to a Cap limited series about his origin and roots . The concept was reinforced by Paradise X, a spin-off of the Alex Ross' Earth X series.
Jeff-X
04-07-2008, 06:46 AM
Well, it is possible that his family could have gone to America, then went back to Europe/Ireland only to return later, maybe even a generation or two later. Hey, it happened in Angela's Ashes.
Or, this Hellfire Club ancestor in question had already sired a child back in Ireland prior to this story who then led to the descendants who led to Cap.
Alan2099
04-07-2008, 08:04 AM
Maybe his mother's side of the family came from ireland while his father's side was the decendent?
SquidSquod
04-07-2008, 11:05 AM
I like it better Rogers being a second generation Irish Immigrant, stricken by poverty but hope never fades away. Being a sentinel of liberty is not hereditary.
StoneGold
04-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Maybe his mother's side of the family came from ireland while his father's side was the decendent?
Doesn't work, Sarah and Joseph Rogers were both described as Irish immigrants. And the concept goes back way further than The Adventures of Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty. It's at least as old as the Stern/Byrne run. I can't remember if it goes further back then that, though.
There was also a Marvel Universe story written by Roger Stern about the Revolutionary Captain America, also named Steve Rogers. Although I believe it was done as a "Eh, maybe it's continuity, maybe it isn't." In any event, it's possible, however unlikely seeming, that Captain Rogers or one of his descendants returned to Ireland after the war. He was a revolutionary hero, perhaps after the war he was part of an ambassadorial envoy and fathered a child?
stelok
04-07-2008, 04:49 PM
Yeah, maybe Cap/Steve Rogers' grandfather, who was a traveling American citizen, perhaps an overseas trader/merchant and fell in love with a native of Ireland. Then Cap's dad would be born in Ireland. His father Joseph marries his mother Sarah. But the conditions became so bad Joseph will have to move with his wife to the land of his American father.
There are many refugees including Mel Gibson's family from Ireland during the Irish War of Independence from January 21, 1919 - July 11, 1921.
Steve Rogers was born in 1922, a year after the Irish War of Independence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_war_of_independence
Mississippienne
04-08-2008, 03:32 AM
Doesn't work, Sarah and Joseph Rogers were both described as Irish immigrants. And the concept goes back way further than The Adventures of Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty. It's at least as old as the Stern/Byrne run. I can't remember if it goes further back then that, though.
Eh, so what? Cap's got four or five origins already. It could easily be retconned that his mother was an immigrant and his father a native-born American. I'd prefer that, actually. Nice combination of both versions.
Lombardo!
04-09-2008, 04:15 AM
it doesnt matter, because they're all Skrulls.
every single one.
HeckBoy
04-09-2008, 01:03 PM
I prefer the son of Irish immigrants origin. Makes him more down-to-earth. I hate it when writers decide to make a hero's originally mundane upbringing/origin much more convoluted and extraordinary. That makes it seem like the hero in question was "destined" to be great instead of achieving it himself. Mainly, I hate how they made Peter Parker's parents CIA agents that happened to cross paths w/ Wolverine sometime in the past. I would've much preferred if they had just died in a "normal" accident of some sort. Kinda kills the "everyman" effect by doing that.
StoneGold
04-09-2008, 05:35 PM
Eh, so what? Cap's got four or five origins already. It could easily be retconned that his mother was an immigrant and his father a native-born American. I'd prefer that, actually. Nice combination of both versions.
But that would require a retcon. Under the current history, it doesn't work. Hell, if we wanted to, we could retcon him into actually having been an early experiment in cloning, and he's actually the son of FDR.
Kirk G
04-09-2008, 06:27 PM
it doesnt matter, because they're all Skrulls.
every single one.
Every....
Single...
One....:evilangry:
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