Do all "New Avengers: Illuminati" issues tie in to "Secret Invasion?

[SnakeEater]

i heard about the series but didnt think any of it was too important.
then i heard number 5 dealt with the Skrullektra and wanted to know if the whole series tied into SI or just that one issues

[Wild Card13]

i heard about the series but didnt think any of it was too important.
then i heard number 5 dealt with the Skrullektra and wanted to know if the whole series tied into SI or just that one issues

Actually, it's all of startling importance.

Issue one had the Illuminati basically spitting in the face of the Skrull empire, and in doing so actually started to put things in motion.

Issue two dealt with the Infinity Gems, which it is widely believed will come into play during Secret Invasion.

Issue three dealt with the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. This one, I'm not so sure about.

Issue four was about Noh-Varr/Marvel Boy, the Kree warrior who has been promised to play a huge role in Secret Invasion.

Issue five has Iron Man showing the others Skrullektra, as well as the unveiling of Black Skrullt.

...So, yeah. They're all pretty important, except number three.

[SnakeEater]

Actually, it's all of startling importance.

Issue one had the Illuminati basically spitting in the face of the Skrull empire, and in doing so actually started to put things in motion.

Issue two dealt with the Infinity Gems, which it is widely believed will come into play during Secret Invasion.

Issue three dealt with the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. This one, I'm not so sure about.

Issue four was about Noh-Varr/Marvel Boy, the Kree warrior who has been promised to play a huge role in Secret Invasion.

Issue five has Iron Man showing the others Skrullektra, as well as the unveiling of Black Skrullt.

...So, yeah. They're all pretty important, except number three.
thanks buddy i appreciate that. now i gotta see if i can find them

[Bryson the Red]

thanks buddy i appreciate that. now i gotta see if i can find them

The trade paperback came out recently I'm pretty sure. If I'm just imagining that then I'm sure it will be out very soon.

[Netley]

I just want to note that it was really cool how we had no idea of an upcoming Skrull invasion when we originally read the first four issues. Their full relevance didn't come into focus until later.

I would bet the Beyonder issue will play into something big in the future, but probably not until after SI.

Anyway, it's a great series for Skrully reasons, but it also clearly landscapes some of the bigger things that have happened in the MU through the eyes of its "secret" protectors - such a cool concept!

If you get the trade, make sure it comes with the initial 1-shot that came out before Civil War (and if it doesn't, then get that issue too!), it shows when they first got together and is the best Illuminati story so far, imo.

[jackolover]

I would bet the Beyonder issue will play into something big in the future, but probably not until after SI.

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Since the defeat of Black Bolt by Maximus, and the Inhumans by SHIELD, I wonder if the Beyonder doesn't realize this, and step in to rectify his Kings position. Of coarse, that would also then require to ask, why he didn't intervene in WWH. But then, maybe, Beyonder had a very good reason not to intervene.

[Netley]

Since the defeat of Black Bolt by Maximus, and the Inhumans by SHIELD, I wonder if the Beyonder doesn't realize this, and step in to rectify his Kings position. Of coarse, that would also then require to ask, why he didn't intervene in WWH. But then, maybe, Beyonder had a very good reason not to intervene.

***SPOILER FOR THE EVENTS OF ISSUE 3***
The ending to the Beyonder issue of Illuminati made me think that the Beyonder himself IS the universe now. Didn't it pan back through space to reveal space itself existed in the pupil of the Beyonder (I'm having trouble finding where this mini is right now, dammit, but I'm pretty sure that's the closing shot), which is pretty open to interpretation, I must admit. Reminded me of that last scene in Men in Black, where it pans back to show the universe is actually contained within a marble.

I'd forgotten he was an Inhuman until I read your post. That really makes the issues far more connected, all but #2 having to do with either Krees or Skrulls! #1 = post Kree-Skrull war. #2 = Infinity Gauntlet, which I think WILL be a factor during SI. #3 = Beyonder, who is actually an Inhuman (a race of humans genetically-modified by the Kree - or is it that they are Kree descendants?). #4 = Marvel Boy, a Kree half-cockroach brat (imo). #5 = Skrullektra, etc.

Does any Skrulliness or Kreeness occur during the Infinity Gauntlet issue that I'm unaware of?
***END OF SPOILERS***

The Illuminati miniseries is to Secret Invasion what Vengeance of Bane was to Knightfall, in the sense that I don't think anyone had a clue as to the relevance of what they were reading when it first came out. Though I guess you could say the same thing about NA in its entirety. And Secret War.

(And Vengeance of Bane wasn't all that great and didn't really add much to the big event, story-wise...OK, bad analogy, but still, you see what I'm saying about the relevance-through-hindsight, right haha)

[jackolover]

***SPOILER FOR THE EVENTS OF ISSUE 3***
The ending to the Beyonder issue of Illuminati made me think that the Beyonder himself IS the universe now. Didn't it pan back through space to reveal space itself existed in the pupil of the Beyonder (I'm having trouble finding where this mini is right now, dammit, but I'm pretty sure that's the closing shot), which is pretty open to interpretation, I must admit. Reminded me of that last scene in Men in Black, where it pans back to show the universe is actually contained within a marble.



I'm going to have to go over this as well, now that you initiated the question.

Edit: I just re-read this again, and I don't know where to start.

This Beyonder guy is the ultimate deus ex machina. He is very scary. When the Illuminati went to find him on the Asteroid belt, he had created an identical Manhattan on an asteroid - the whole thing, down to the bricks. This guy could have made the heroes that came out of the Skrull vessel in SI #1, in the blink of an eye.

Couple of things.

Namor took over, when the Beyonder started doing crazy things. Namor took on the authoritive voice of Black Bolt and ordered Beyonder to leave the Universe.

Namor also had concern for Richards when the Hulk attacked Beyonder, (which was all just an illusion)

It seems the Beyonder is acting out dramas of his own making, over the whole of his existence in this Manhattan.

And yes, in the end the Beyonder appeared to have popped out somewhere, only there is this little disturbing ending where the Beyonder pops into Times Square, in NY. We are left with not knowing if Beyonder secretly teleported to earth, NY, and cloaked himself from Xavier, or, Beyonder left the Universe and created something familiar in which to keep himself amused. But one things for sure. The Illuminati didn't reconcilethe Beyonder to his full satisfaction, because he was just a kid. His growth would bring him back to his origins, (earth and the Inhumans and the Terrigen Mists that made him).

By the way. The vessel the Illuminati used to go to the Asteroid Ceres, was the Skrull vessel they captured in issue #1. And Tony Stark was unavailble at this time in the story of the MU, and there was some obtuse remark made to Richards by Namor after it was stated that Stark was missing, and they were using the Skrull vessell. "But he gave you the keys to his (Starks) life?", then again, "The two of you are making a fortune off the things you're stealing from this technology (the Skrull ship). Aren't you?" [Richards says - We're working for a better tomorrow, today].

Then when Beyonder saw the Illuminati, he couldn't believe they were real and accused them of being constructs he forgot he made. But he bowed down once he saw his king Black Bolt.

Intruegingly, Molecule Man makes an appearance in a flashback of the Secret War sequence.

There is so much Beyonder could be be doing in the MU since that fateful day. I think he could do Avengers Disassembled and HoM without batting an eye. He could do BND and CW, anything.

[gorthon616]

Actually, it's all of startling importance.

Issue one had the Illuminati basically spitting in the face of the Skrull empire, and in doing so actually started to put things in motion.

Issue two dealt with the Infinity Gems, which it is widely believed will come into play during Secret Invasion.

Issue three dealt with the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. This one, I'm not so sure about.

Issue four was about Noh-Varr/Marvel Boy, the Kree warrior who has been promised to play a huge role in Secret Invasion.

Issue five has Iron Man showing the others Skrullektra, as well as the unveiling of Black Skrullt.

...So, yeah. They're all pretty important, except number three.

Did they say that? I knew he was sprung and he'll be in play, but I don't recall them saying anything about having a huge role.

[Red Lotus]

Issue three dealt with the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. This one, I'm not so sure about


Now I wonder if that was a hint that some thing was wrong with Black Bolt. In the issue Black Bolt didn't know who he was, but one part made it seem like Black Bolt should have know or at one point did know. At first I thought that he was lying or that some how it was going to happen, but it hadn't happen yet. But now maybe because he was a Skrull he didn't know what happen.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Did they say that? I knew he was sprung and he'll be in play, but I don't recall them saying anything about having a huge role.

Bendis hinted that he'd have a fairly large role, and with the setup he got I'd assume he's going to take on the Skrull Captain Marvell and become the new Captain Marvel. That's just a guess of course.

[Jack]

If you assume that Black Bolt is a Skrull for the whole series, then the important points would be that he was given an Infinity Gem and that he was the one who ordered Beyonder to leave. Now, either that means that the order doesn't actually count for anything, and Beyonder knew it, or that the order was in fact fake, and the Skrull ordered him to do something entirely different. Either could tie in heavily with Secret Invasion.

Or for all we know the Skrulls are now worshipping the Beyonder, and "he loves you". In fact he loves them (the heroes) so much that he recreated them all. Perhaps the Skrulls have some sort of prophecy about a God coming from their most hated enemies, and then the Beyonder, an Inhuman whose ancestors were engineered by the Kree popped up.

[Kirk G]

The two critical Illuminati issues are #1 and #5.
If you can find only two, those are the ones to buy.
The others, while interesting one shots, are only filler to flesh out the series and keep you from guessing where the lead action was going. This is also true of the Illuminati special which introduced them... again, as a mechanism for Bendis to get this S.I. rolling.

[corporategohan]

The beyonder being a mutant in-human is debateable. He has immense power with his relation to his cosmic cube-ness. He could have simply led them to believe he was a mutant to throw them off the trail and leave him alone to continue his own little soap opera in space.

[jackolover]

Not sure about Illuminati issues, but I just notived something in CW ASM #535. You remember in New Avengers #6, that the Skrully mining activity in the Savage Land dealt with vibranium, right. Well about 6 months later in ASM #535 Tony Stark mentions to Peter Parker that the walls of 42 (which they are inspecting) is made from 'a new kind of synthetic vibranium'. Coincidence, maybe, but they would have to get some vibranium from somewhere to synthesize it. If Panther doesn't give out vibranium, did Reed and Tony get this from the Savage Land too? If so, then they are laso breaking an International Law.

[Gibbering Fool]

Its my theory that the Beyonder issue is vitally important to Secret Invasion, because the Beyonder is the "He" the Skrull agents were referring to.

[kidpernicious]

I never liked the retcon they pulled here by completely changing the Beyonder's backstory. Is omnipotent mutant Inhuman better than omnipotent embodiment of the energies of a pocket dimension? Or a cosmic cube? Iono. But yeah. I can see most of this stuff coming into play from Illuminati. I really hope the Infinity Gems don't though. Mainly because if they do show up, it's probably only as a deus ex machina resolution to everything, which would blow. Hard.

[Venom Melendez]

Its my theory that the Beyonder issue is vitally important to Secret Invasion, because the Beyonder is the "He" the Skrull agents were referring to.


Where did they mentioned this?Besides, the ''he'' is just their god.

[kidpernicious]

Where did they mentioned this?Besides, the ''he'' is just their god.

It's not mentioned anywhere, it's just his theory.

[Gibbering Fool]

Yeah, its just me theory. How do you know its just their god though? They have two gods, a king and a queens, so wouldn't they be saying "THEY love you" rather than HE loves you?