"Hulk Vs. Hercules: When Titans Collide"

[CBR News]

Marvel Comics has released preview pages from the April shipping "Hulk Vs. Hercules: When Titans Collide." We've got five pages here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=43&disp=table

[Camron Amaya]

This looks a little....pointless lol. But I love Hercules.

And Hulk landing in the middle of Olympus? Zeus would bitchslap him.

[Butters]

Who could possibly win!?

... Hulk would.

[Drdmx]

It'll be interesting enough for me to buy.

I love how they have Herc jobbing Ben Grimm so he can have street cred against the Hulk.

[CMBMOOL]

Man this is going to be a good fight, and Herc can win this fight because he is a god. :p

[DaeJi]

Ben Grimm never gets any respect now-a-days. There was a time when he used to be one of Marvel's toughest characters. Now... Anyway, this still looks pointless. Hulk is better than Herc. There's no way the Lion of Olympus will win, not without outside help. And the Hulk landing in Olympus is just an opening for Zeus to casually fry his butt and toss him back to Earth.

[DaeJi]

Man this is going to be a good fight, and Herc can win this fight because he is a god. :p

Yeah, that "god" thing doesn't help Ares out any, and he's a true god unlike Herc who is only a demi-god. Not to mention, he has all of one real power: super-strength (and durability, but that always goes together with super-strength). Hulk has that too, and he gets stronger and stronger the longer the fight goes on. And he has a healing factor. Hulk wins.

[Camron Amaya]

Why "is there no way" Hercules can win?

Since when is Hercules a weakling? He's STRONGER then the Hulk. Untill of course he gets madder and madder.

And Ares is much weaker physicly then Hercules. He's the PRINCE OF POWER!

[CaptainCanada]

I love Pak and Van Lente Herc series so far, so I can't wait for this.

In that first wrestling bit, who's in the ring with him? I see Wolverine, what looks like Psylocke; I thought the guy he's holding was Colossus at first, but it's not him on closer inspection. And who's the other one lying in the corner?

[Kutulu]

Yeah, that "god" thing doesn't help Ares out any, and he's a true god unlike Herc who is only a demi-god. Not to mention, he has all of one real power: super-strength (and durability, but that always goes together with super-strength). Hulk has that too, and he gets stronger and stronger the longer the fight goes on. And he has a healing factor. Hulk wins.

Herc is no longer a demi-god, he's now a full blown god.

[Desmodus]

Herc is no longer a demi-god, he's now a full blown god.

Could he also be considered to be one of the top tier Marvel fighters?

I know that against hordes of enemies he could just use his strength to effectively plow through them, no technique needed. But against an opponent that can match him power wise, his ability as a fighter/wrestler should really tip the balance in his favor.

My pick; Herc betters Hulk for a while before Hulk gets mad as hell and slaps the Lion of Olympus around before some plot device saves Herc and Hulk escapes/flees. Effectively a no result.

[Drdmx]

Yeah, that "god" thing doesn't help Ares out any, and he's a true god unlike Herc who is only a demi-god. Not to mention, he has all of one real power: super-strength (and durability, but that always goes together with super-strength). Hulk has that too, and he gets stronger and stronger the longer the fight goes on. And he has a healing factor. Hulk wins.

I agree. Ben used to be one of the toughest there was, and quite frankly.. I believe he still is. I feel the only difference is that most of his usual opponents have received substantial power increases. You really cant do that with Grimm as that would almost make him a stand-alone character, not needing the rest of the FF. In essence, yeah, he gets jobbed, and probably rightfully so. Hey, I'm sure he'd still make a good fight for She-Hulk!

[XPac]

There's no way Herc should be able to win.

Herc is comparatively as strong for a while... but obviously Hulk will just keep getting stronger. And Hulk is more durable.

The only way to beat Hulk is to beat him VERY fast. And Herc never shown strong enough to do that. It'll be a long tough fight, but the longer it goes the stronger Hulk will get.

[Preus]

I feel that the Thing doesn't get enough credit, they don't make him nearly as strong as he should be.

As for this fight, the Hulk wins. Herc may get some good hits in and be able to battle him for a while but the longer the fight goes on, the more it favors the Hulk. He'll probably just KO Herc anyway.

[XPac]

Thing is supposed to be in the 80 ton ballpark.

Hulk (and Hercules) are class 100... which means he's STRONGER than 100 tons. I think the fact that Thing can hang in there at ALL is a good showing on his part.

Whereas people like She-Hulk and Ares (who are in Bens ballpark) can down with a single shot from Hulk, Ben is usually shown going down swinging. Given the power difference between Ben and the top tier class 100 guys, I'd say marvel writers in general give Ben pretty good props.

[marshal99]

Hulk has the far stronger showings against marvel bricks than Hercules does to be honest but since this is written by the guy writing the herc comic now and apparently giving him a lot of creds , it'll probably end up as a draw.

I like the time when savage hulk manhandled the entire east and west coast avengers , they had the four most strongest guys around in hercules , namor , wonder man & iron man and they barely could contain hulk.

[Samuraixsithlord]

is this classic savage hulk. or post-sakaar gravage hulk Herc is fighting. Either way Herc is losing. The only difference is how fast he loses

[Drdmx]

I'm guessing it would have to be Savage.

Given the way Hulk absolutely slaughtered Herc with a few well placed blows during WWH, we could get the entire fight within one of CBRs previews if it were the Worldbreaker.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Still if it's Savage Hulk vs Herc. Herc hang in there for the first few rounds due to his battle experiance and the the Hulk get really mad and kicks his ass

[Gnarl]

I'm guessing it would have to be Savage.

Given the way Hulk absolutely slaughtered Herc with a few well placed blows during WWH, we could get the entire fight within one of CBRs previews if it were the Worldbreaker.

In all fairness Herc wasn't fighting back then.

[Drdmx]

To be honest, after blocking the perceived attack against Cho, he seemed to give his best haymaker, realized it was a losing battle, and went with reason.

Truth be told, the bottom line is if Herc felt he had the slightest chance of taking him on, I'm sure he would have given it a shot.

[Drdmx]

To be honest, after blocking the perceived attack against Cho, he seemed to give his best haymaker, realized it was a losing battle, and went with reason.

Truth be told, the bottom line is if Herc felt he had the slightest chance of taking him on, I'm sure he would have given it a shot.

[Drdmx]

To be honest, after blocking the perceived attack against Cho, he seemed to give his best haymaker, realized it was a losing battle, and went with reason.

Truth be told, the bottom line is if Herc felt he had the slightest chance of taking him on, I'm sure he would have given it a shot.

[Sekhemket]

The Hulk has already bitch-slapped Herc down once in a one-shot a few years back during the "Heroes Reborn" crapfest.

[soxtalon]

I've already said this a few times, but:

WWH - Herc chose not to fight back because he was trying to ally with hulk

Herc Unleashed - herc was at half his strength/stamina so of course he got whupped.

When he was with the Avengers - it would be a draw as Herc was not getting hurt and just enjoying the fight. Once it got "serious" and Hulk was about to tear Wonder Man apart, Herc turned it up a notch and was about to be the one to kill hulk.

This is a HELLUVA lot closer than people are giving Herc credit for. Herc could absolutely win this, if he's treated like he should be.

[KJS1982]

Why is Ben Grimm dressed like Big Show?

[XPac]

Why is Ben Grimm dressed like Big Show?

That's what Ben wore during his pro-wrestling days.

[Camron Amaya]

He was just letting Hulk hit him to prove he's not against him...how is that a fight? He took all the Hulk's shots right in the face.

V/ Herc needs a victory over Hulk, he deserves one.

[XPac]

Herc Unleashed - herc was at half his strength/stamina so of course he got whupped.



Did they ever show him getting powered up again, or should we assume he's still at half power?

[DaeJi]

This is a HELLUVA lot closer than people are giving Herc credit for. Herc could absolutely win this, if he's treated like he should be.

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.

[XPac]

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.

Plus, if everything else is equal Hulk has a healing factor.

Herc can put on a good show, but Hulk should eventually be able to outlast Herc with his increasing strength and ability to recover.

[dkostus]

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.


You give absolutely no support for your statement.

Look at Herc getting beaten in WWH again... The one time he does actually hit the Hulk, Hulk goes straight to the ground. Herc then stops fighting back.

If you look through the rest of WWH, there are very few people who obviously hurt the post Sakaar Hulk with a blow one on one... I think its pretty much The Sentry, a demon powered Strange, and that one shot by Herc.

He laughed off Collosus, and he kind of flinched at a Ben Grimm hit... Herc hits him and he gets knocked right to the ground.

[DaeJi]

You give absolutely no support for your statement.

Fine, how about this: Hulk and Herc are both known for their strength. Hulk gets stronger the longer a fight goes on, and he has a god-like healing factor. Since it looks like Herc takes on an enraged Hulk, Hulk won't be weak enough for Herc to just K.O. him quickly. Using only his bare fist, Herc will lose because the Hulk will get to a point to where he can just knock Herc around with little effort.

Look at Herc getting beaten in WWH again... The one time he does actually hit the Hulk, Hulk goes straight to the ground. Herc then stops fighting back.

And that matters... why?

If you look through the rest of WWH, there are very few people who obviously hurt the post Sakaar Hulk with a blow one on one... I think its pretty much The Sentry, a demon powered Strange, and that one shot by Herc.

The Sentry/Hulk fight was an eye-roll, unlike Herc the Sentry has other powers at his disposal that should have netted him the win. Strange is also more powerful than the Hulk, the Hulk can't even touch him without using trickery. As for the demon Strange, Zom was so powerful that the Living Tribunal, the most powerful being in all of the Marvel multiverse (other than the creator), had to step in and stop him. And I never said the Hercules couldn't put up a fight, he could, but realistically he's not going to win it.

He laughed off Collosus, and he kind of flinched at a Ben Grimm hit... Herc hits him and he gets knocked right to the ground.

Because Hercules is stronger than Peter and Ben. Look at it this way: Thor, who is as strong as Hercules, and a skilled fighter, cannot beat the Hulk muscle to muscle (he's tried, and he's lost). Only because of his other powers can Thor win the match up.

Hercules losses.

[XPac]

You give absolutely no support for your statement.

Look at Herc getting beaten in WWH again... The one time he does actually hit the Hulk, Hulk goes straight to the ground. Herc then stops fighting back.

If you look through the rest of WWH, there are very few people who obviously hurt the post Sakaar Hulk with a blow one on one... I think its pretty much The Sentry, a demon powered Strange, and that one shot by Herc.

He laughed off Collosus, and he kind of flinched at a Ben Grimm hit... Herc hits him and he gets knocked right to the ground.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Herc isn't strong enough to hurt or put up a good fight... I think what people are simply saying is that Hulk will win. Is there a reason to assume he wouldn't? Is there a reason if we list everything these two are capable of doing, that we shouldn't come to the conclusion that Hulk would come out on top?

[Drdmx]

This doesnt happen often.... but i completely agree w/Daeji.

[ivesaidway2much]

If ever there was a time when Herc could actually win this, it's right now. The Hulk (the real one) for the first time in about 40 years doesn't have a book in the 616 'verse. His movie likely won't get any major hype until after Ironman comes out. Hercules, on the other hand, finally has his own (although stolen) comic, and it's doing pretty well. Throw in his major role in Civil War, and Herc is at the highest point he's been on Marvel's totem pole, while the Hulk is in a temporary tailspin. I think the Greek Goliath just might have a shot this time.

[soxtalon]

Did they ever show him getting powered up again, or should we assume he's still at half power?

They never showed it, so technically...but when Tieri did his New Labors of mini a few years back, he claimed that he was treating Herc as fully powered again because that's how everyone really knew him and how Marvel had been treating him lately...He did take out Abomination with one punch...so I assume that's back to full strength.

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.

I disagree entirely. Hercules is the GOD of physical Strength. It SHOULD be a tossup.

Plus, if everything else is equal Hulk has a healing factor.

Herc can put on a good show, but Hulk should eventually be able to outlast Herc with his increasing strength and ability to recover.

Herc has a healing factor as well...the increasing strength is the question...and if Herc goes into a berzerker rage like Pak/VL recently showed.
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I honestly think it's a tossup at this point. Herc could certainly lose, but I think that Hulk could as well.

The main problem is that Herc is one of the most inconsistently written characters as far as strength...I mean he took out Abomination in ONE punch in his mini. But then he has to job a few times in the Avengers.

Herc and Hulk have never been at full strength at the same time and have had a winner (not counting WWH considering Herc wasn't fighting back)

[Drdmx]

Herc and Hulk have never been at full strength at the same time and have had a winner (not counting WWH considering Herc wasn't fighting back)

This for some reason keeps coming up.

Lets entertain this argument. - If Herc WOULD HAVE fought back, is there any chance at all he could have taken Hulk out, and ended WWH?

No excuses, no side arguments. Yes or No. I think it's pretty simple.

If for whatever reason you'd like to dissect that particular fight, siting that Herc knocked Hulk down with one punch, I'd have to point out the fact that he was only able to do so due to the diversion presented by Namora and Angel. Nevermind the fact that Hulk was poised to finish Herc just before that, and had downed him again with what appeared to be a glancing blow before Herc decided to take the "We're allies" route.

[Kutulu]

This for some reason keeps coming up.

Lets entertain this argument. - If Herc WOULD HAVE fought back, is there any chance at all he could have taken Hulk out, and ended WWH?

No excuses, no side arguments. Yes or No. I think it's pretty simple.

If for whatever reason you'd like to dissect that particular fight, siting that Herc knocked Hulk down with one punch, I'd have to point out the fact that he was only able to do so due to the diversion presented by Namora and Angel. Nevermind the fact that Hulk was poised to finish Herc just before that, and had downed him again with what appeared to be a glancing blow before Herc decided to take the "We're allies" route.

^^ Co-signed. Herc himself admitted that Hulk was holding back that entire fight and could have easily killed him if he had wanted to.

[soxtalon]

This for some reason keeps coming up.

Lets entertain this argument. - If Herc WOULD HAVE fought back, is there any chance at all he could have taken Hulk out, and ended WWH?

No excuses, no side arguments. Yes or No. I think it's pretty simple.

If for whatever reason you'd like to dissect that particular fight, siting that Herc knocked Hulk down with one punch, I'd have to point out the fact that he was only able to do so due to the diversion presented by Namora and Angel. Nevermind the fact that Hulk was poised to finish Herc just before that, and had downed him again with what appeared to be a glancing blow before Herc decided to take the "We're allies" route.

I don't care about Herc knocking HUlk down per se...that's not part of my argument at all. But yes if Herc fought back, I do think he could have. But he was on Hulk's side. Hell that might be the very reason Pak wanted Herc on Hulk's side because Herc COULD have possibly ended it. Herc stopped fighting after the first punch because he was only protecting Cho with it.


Herc himself admitted that Hulk was holding back that entire fight and could have easily killed him if he had wanted to.

Well yeah, if someone went after you and you did not fight back, allowing yourself to get hit, they could easily kill you too. That's PART of the situation

[DaeJi]

This doesnt happen often.... but i completely agree w/Daeji.

Ugh, I feel dirty now... ;) :p

[hunbu05]

This fght is much closer than people think it is
Yes the hulk potentially have limitless strength but on the other hand marvel also stated that hercules possessed incalculable strength with no known upper limit(he guy is capable of holding the weigth of eaRTH,moving mahattan, easily holding 20 city block while making out with namora,punching and rift in space and time close with a single punch and etc). He also possessed durabilty on par with thor and sentry. He possessed limitless stamina,godspeed,and he also have healing factor. If both characters are well written this fight will be too closed to called.

[Fin Fang Foom]

It looks like the Hulk is going up against Zesus. If so I can't wait to see that!!!

[IronStarks]

I think it will end in a draw IMO

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

I think it will end in a draw IMO

I agree with you. Greg Pak has too much love for both characters to diminish either of them as the loser so I think a draw is the best outcome for both Hercules and Hulk.:cool:

[Bulky Brent]

I think most likely this fight will be inconclusive but it should still be epic.

[Drdmx]

Definitely wont end with Herc laying face down and Hulk walking off in the sunset.

However, I'd like to see involvement of the other Greek gods. Especially if the fight is occurring right in their front lawn. Lets see some Hades, Apollo, Hephaestus (sp), and Poseidon action! Hell.. I'd REALLY go for the titans if they looked like they did in God of War.

[DaeJi]

I agree with you. Greg Pak has too much love for both characters to diminish either of them as the loser so I think a draw is the best outcome for both Hercules and Hulk.:cool:

I hate when writers do that; honestly, this is the reason why I'm down on Pak. Still, I hope there's a winner, and it should be Hulk.

[XPac]

I'm cool if Pak makes it a draw.

For Herc, a draw is a very good showing since quite frankly most believe Hulk would win. And for Hulk, he's got nothing to prove as he's basically the dog as far as bricks go.

[Venom Melendez]

If ever there was a time when Herc could actually win this, it's right now. The Hulk (the real one) for the first time in about 40 years doesn't have a book in the 616 'verse

The one written by Loeb is his book since eventually he will returnt to fight Red Hulk. He's just taking a break for thr moment.

[GodzIllinois]

Thing is supposed to be in the 80 ton ballpark.

Hulk (and Hercules) are class 100... which means he's STRONGER than 100 tons. I think the fact that Thing can hang in there at ALL is a good showing on his part.

Whereas people like She-Hulk and Ares (who are in Bens ballpark) can down with a single shot from Hulk, Ben is usually shown going down swinging. Given the power difference between Ben and the top tier class 100 guys, I'd say marvel writers in general give Ben pretty good props.

agreed 100%
I've always hated the inconsistency of treatment with the strength levels of the characters in Marvel. For example Spider-Man used to be in the 10 ton ballpark yet villains with no or fairly minimal super strength was able to give him a challenge. Now he's in the 20 ton ballpark, there's no way run-of the mill bad guys should give him any trouble at all. He should be holding back so he doesn't knock people's heads off.

[Shyft]

As far as am concerned, in terms of pure Muscle, not energy attacks, weapons, or anything, only Namor could legitmately beat Hulk. And that would require some water being at least nearby.

[CaptainCanada]

Given that this is, for all intents and purposes, Incredible Herc Annual #1, I'd say Herc has home field advantage, which matters a lot in comics, although I don't think Pak is going to give anybody a clear victory (even in World War Hulk, basically every major fight had some kind of caveat attached to it that made the results ambiguous).

[nikifloat]

I love hercules, thus I obvoiuosly believe he will win :?

[Sabaition]

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.

Your kidding right? Hercules has NEVER really lost to the Hulk in a equal battle. Lets be real. On more then one occasion he's walked away from the fight to help his friends.

EX: When Dr. Sampson showed up and was fighting the other Avengers. Hercules assumed he was the more dangerous foe and leap off the Hulks back to jump Sampson.

As a GOD (which is what he is), Hercules is physically equal if not alil stronger then Thor. Everyone gives Thor a chance but not the PRINCE OF POWER!!! Remember when he CRUSHED the Blood Brothers. His fighting skills are WAY above the Hulks and he has the determination of Ben Grimm. He'll DIE before he'll let his friends get hurt. He just WALKED through several heros to save Cap in the Civil War. Like Thor he holds back alot. And like Thor, when he doesn't. You quickly realize how big the gap is between MAN and GODS.

And you think he's needs a weapon. Fine... GOLDEN MACE ANYONE!!! Though he hasn't used it in awhile, it's match Thor's hammer blow for blow. I know the writers wont remember to pull it out. But seeing how this fight would have taken place back in the day. He totally should have it.

An just a reminder so some who dont know. Herc may not have held up a "MOUNTAIN" but he did pick up "GODZILLA" (or something like Big G), "PULLED" Manhattan back in place on one occassion and more recently "HELD IT TOGETHER". An it might just be me. But that's alil more impressive to me. Herc, like all gods, has a healing factor. He doesn't develope "Fatigue poison" in his god form. Which means he can fight nearly forever.

Marvel has seemed to go out of it's way to make the Gods more powerful. Thor stayed out of the WWH fight. An crushed Iron Man with one blow. While Herc was on Hulks side, two things that kept the Hulk from fighting a God level character. So I think it's safe to assume Marvel is re establishing a pecking order, and the gods are clearly on top.

[XPac]

Your kidding right? Hercules has NEVER really lost to the Hulk in a equal battle. Lets be real. On more then one occasion he's walked away from the fight to help his friends.

EX: When Dr. Sampson showed up and was fighting the other Avengers. Hercules assumed he was the more dangerous foe and leap off the Hulks back to jump Sampson.

As a GOD (which is what he is), Hercules is physically equal if not alil stronger then Thor. Everyone gives Thor a chance but not the PRINCE OF POWER!!! Remember when he CRUSHED the Blood Brothers. His fighting skills are WAY above the Hulks and he has the determination of Ben Grimm. He'll DIE before he'll let his friends get hurt. He just WALKED through several heros to save Cap in the Civil War. Like Thor he holds back alot. And like Thor, when he doesn't. You quickly realize how big the gap is between MAN and GODS.

And you think he's needs a weapon. Fine... GOLDEN MACE ANYONE!!! Though he hasn't used it in awhile, it's match Thor's hammer blow for blow. I know the writers wont remember to pull it out. But seeing how this fight would have taken place back in the day. He totally should have it.

An just a reminder so some who dont know. Herc may not have held up a "MOUNTAIN" but he did pick up "GODZILLA" (or something like Big G), "PULLED" Manhattan back in place on one occassion and more recently "HELD IT TOGETHER". An it might just be me. But that's alil more impressive to me. Herc, like all gods, has a healing factor. He doesn't develope "Fatigue poison" in his god form. Which means he can fight nearly forever.

Marvel has seemed to go out of it's way to make the Gods more powerful. Thor stayed out of the WWH fight. An crushed Iron Man with one blow. While Herc was on Hulks side, two things that kept the Hulk from fighting a God level character. So I think it's safe to assume Marvel is re establishing a pecking order, and the gods are clearly on top.

There's a good reason people will give Thor better odds against Hulk than Hercules though. Thor can do a lot more than either Hercules or Hulk can do (ie flight, lightning, etc).

When you get down to it, Herc and Hulk can do the exact same thing... except Hulk will keep getting stronger and Herc won't.

Hulk has beaten Hercules even if Herc was depowered a bit, but Herc even with help has never really beaten Hulk. If Herc can't beat Hulk with Iron Man, Namor, and Wonder Man helping him, it's not exactly shocking that few would consider him the favorite against Hulk one on one.

[Sabaition]

There's a good reason people will give Thor better odds against Hulk than Hercules though. Thor can do a lot more than either Hercules or Hulk can do (ie flight, lightning, etc).

When you get down to it, Herc and Hulk can do the exact same thing... except Hulk will keep getting stronger and Herc won't.

Hulk has beaten Hercules even if Herc was depowered a bit, but Herc even with help has never really beaten Hulk. If Herc can't beat Hulk with Iron Man, Namor, and Wonder Man helping him, it's not exactly shocking that few would consider him the favorite against Hulk one on one.

I can see your point with Thor in comparision to Herc. However there's one thing that also makes one have to think this is going to be a different fight...

For awhile Pak has made the comment that "Hulk and Herc are alot alike" as well as "Herc may actually be the real monster". Hercules has rarely gone into a rage. But in the few times he has, both in Marvel and Mythical stories. He's been unstoppible. This might be their way/chance to show that Hercules is the "Real Monster". When anger, the Gods themselfs get scared. So what happens when that rage and adrineline gets unleashed on the Green Machine.

Either way it should be good. However as a long time Hercules fan. I just cant get all the people throwing him under the bus in this fight. To say that the Hulk will eventually get strong enough to slap him arround...

Does anyone remember that when the Hulk is to mad for too long his brain shuts off. It's happened twice if my memory recalls.

[Sabaition]

Yeah... no. If the Hulk is written correctly, Herc absolutely loses this. Face it, in the smash game, Hulk is the best. He's better than Hercules at Hercule's own game. Herc will need some weapons to stand a good chance at winning.

Your kidding right? Hercules has NEVER really lost to the Hulk in a equal battle. Lets be real. On more then one occasion he's walked away from the fight to help his friends.

EX: When Dr. Sampson showed up and was fighting the other Avengers. Hercules assumed he was the more dangerous foe and leap off the Hulks back to jump Sampson.

As a GOD (which is what he is), Hercules is physically equal if not alil stronger then Thor. Everyone gives Thor a chance but not the PRINCE OF POWER!!! Remember when he CRUSHED the Blood Brothers. His fighting skills are WAY above the Hulks and he has the determination of Ben Grimm. He'll DIE before he'll let his friends get hurt. He just WALKED through several heros to save Cap in the Civil War. Like Thor he holds back alot. And like Thor, when he doesn't. You quickly realize how big the gap is between MAN and GODS.

And you think he's needs a weapon. Fine... GOLDEN MACE ANYONE!!! Though he hasn't used it in awhile, it's match Thor's hammer blow for blow. I know the writers wont remember to pull it out. But seeing how this fight would have taken place back in the day. He totally should have it.

An just a reminder so some who dont know. Herc may not have held up a "MOUNTAIN" but he did pick up "GODZILLA" (or something like Big G), "PULLED" Manhattan back in place on one occassion and more recently "HELD IT TOGETHER". An it might just be me. But that's alil more impressive to me. Herc, like all gods, has a healing factor. He doesn't develope "Fatigue poison" in his god form. Which means he can fight nearly forever.

Marvel has seemed to go out of it's way to make the Gods more powerful. Thor stayed out of the WWH fight. An crushed Iron Man with one blow. While Herc was on Hulks side, two things that kept the Hulk from fighting a God level character. So I think it's safe to assume Marvel is re establishing a pecking order, and the gods are clearly on top.

[DaeJi]

Your kidding right? Hercules has NEVER really lost to the Hulk in a equal battle.

So? If they had a fight to the very end, Hulk would win.

EX: When Dr. Sampson showed up and was fighting the other Avengers. Hercules assumed he was the more dangerous foe and leap off the Hulks back to jump Sampson.

Yes, because Herc has never been known to make really dumb decisions.

As a GOD (which is what he is), Hercules is physically equal if not alil stronger then Thor. Everyone gives Thor a chance but not the PRINCE OF POWER!!!

Because Thor has an ass-load of other powers. Every time Thor has gone up against the Hulk muscle to muscle, Thor has lost. Clearly. Thor and Herc are constantly said and shown to be on the same level, strength-wise.

Remember when he CRUSHED the Blood Brothers. His fighting skills are WAY above the Hulks and he has the determination of Ben Grimm. He'll DIE before he'll let his friends get hurt. He just WALKED through several heros to save Cap in the Civil War. Like Thor he holds back alot. And like Thor, when he doesn't. You quickly realize how big the gap is between MAN and GODS.

And the Hulk will just get stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger... Hercules has all of one offensive power. As gods go, he's not overly impressive. The Hulk is better than Herc in every single way except fighting skill.

And you think he's needs a weapon. Fine... GOLDEN MACE ANYONE!!! Though he hasn't used it in awhile, it's match Thor's hammer blow for blow. I know the writers wont remember to pull it out. But seeing how this fight would have taken place back in the day. He totally should have it.

I agree, Herc should have his mace. It'll give him a fighting change. The odds would still be 6/10 in the Hulk's favor, but it's possible that Herc could win with his mace.

An just a reminder so some who dont know. Herc may not have held up a "MOUNTAIN" but he did pick up "GODZILLA" (or something like Big G), "PULLED" Manhattan back in place on one occassion and more recently "HELD IT TOGETHER". An it might just be me. But that's alil more impressive to me.

Big whoop. The Hulk has unlimited strength. Herc doesn't. The Hulk is more impressive.

Herc, like all gods, has a healing factor. He doesn't develope "Fatigue poison" in his god form. Which means he can fight nearly forever.

And so can the Hulk. However, the Hulk can heal in seconds. Herc can't. The Hulk will be healing as the fight goes. Herc will be taking more and more damage as the fight drags on.

Marvel has seemed to go out of it's way to make the Gods more powerful. Thor stayed out of the WWH fight. An crushed Iron Man with one blow. While Herc was on Hulks side, two things that kept the Hulk from fighting a God level character. So I think it's safe to assume Marvel is re establishing a pecking order, and the gods are clearly on top.

Putting a "god" against a character who's more powerful than him seems like an ass-backward way of putting the gods on top. Thor can beat the Hulk because Thor has a ton of powers. Hercules doesn't. Now, in the hands of a neutral writer, the winner for the fight is obviously the Hulk. However, Pak is... bias (he is, he's not the only one, most writers are). He loves both characters too much to show them lose (see. World War Hulk). I see a tie.

[Drdmx]

And you think he's needs a weapon. Fine... GOLDEN MACE ANYONE!!! Though he hasn't used it in awhile, it's match Thor's hammer blow for blow.

Yeahbutwut?

[twilight]

Who cares who wins?
As long as we get an entertaining story out of it.

-Twi

[ColdContagious]

Exactly. I'm just looking forward to an intense brawl. I love both characters.

[Kutulu]

I can see your point with Thor in comparision to Herc. However there's one thing that also makes one have to think this is going to be a different fight...

For awhile Pak has made the comment that "Hulk and Herc are alot alike" as well as "Herc may actually be the real monster". Hercules has rarely gone into a rage. But in the few times he has, both in Marvel and Mythical stories. He's been unstoppible. This might be their way/chance to show that Hercules is the "Real Monster". When anger, the Gods themselfs get scared. So what happens when that rage and adrineline gets unleashed on the Green Machine.

Either way it should be good. However as a long time Hercules fan. I just cant get all the people throwing him under the bus in this fight. To say that the Hulk will eventually get strong enough to slap him arround...

Does anyone remember that when the Hulk is to mad for too long his brain shuts off. It's happened twice if my memory recalls.

The danger from Herc isn't his strength gain from going into monster mode, rather it's from the civilians and friends who die every time he has done it. This corresponds with the actual Hercules, whom killed by accident or when he had a temper tantrum, which is something that Hulk has never done.