A few words

[morna]

Here at the Comm, where else?

Ok I'm insane. I somehow missed it and I coulda swore someone mentioned it on Rita's saying that it happened in YABS but I didn't bother going looking for it..

sorry

[Ed Cunard]

This sounds like a mess. If Yabs was part of it, I apologize, but this is the first I've heard of it. Sounds pretty rotten.

Gail

That, to me is the most fucked up part of this whole thing. Typo took it to YABS looking for sympathy for just pulling a silly prank. When he knew they hadn't read the sick shit he said to another person.

That's how I read it, too.

I don't think anyone is mad at YABS or Gail or anything like that.

[Jack Zodiac]

Is there room for two on that boat?

Sure is. BYOB, though. I'm runnin' low tonight.

[howyadoin]

Sure is. BYOB, though. I'm runnin' low tonight.http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2387119630_218fa85171.jpg

[Jack Zodiac]

Welcome to the party boat, sir.

[Spike-X]

Well. Here we are.

I caught the first fifty-odd posts of this thread this morning before I went to work, and I've been thinking about it on and off all day.

Firstly, I identify myself as one of the people who continued to joke around with Morts after the incident, and his pissweak half-arsed apologies. That was poor judgement, to say the least, and I apologise for that. It gives the impression that I'm okay with what he said to Alex, and I'm far from being okay with it. That was one of the shittiest things I've ever seen one person say to another on this board, and I've been here for a little while now. So Alex (and everyone else), if my joking around with Morts gave you the impression that I was "giving him a pass" for what he said, I again apologise for that.

Secondly, I think it's fucking disgraceful that no moderator action was taken against Morts for saying what he said. I've seen posts deleted and posters warned (including myself - and no, I hold no grudges about those times; I deserved it) for a hell of a lot less. I've read the moderators' explanations for their lack of action. I disagree with them. I've never had a major problem with the moderation on this board until now. And that'll be enough about that.

[Adam West]

Sigh.. live on different time zone and you missed all the fun.

[Spike-X]

There wasn't a lot of fun to be had, believe me.

[Adam West]

Yeah, I don't mean 'fun' in the literal sense anyway.

[Athena Bast]

Well, there is some truth to that, but in this situation, it is easy enough to ignore/avoid the people.
It just annoys me when something like this happens and people get angry/disappointed with everyone at CBR/Comm board - it can't really be that bad, or do you really not enjoy yourself here that much that somehting like this can sour the whole thing for you.

His remark was more a long the lines of telling me I'm a paranoid git when I told him about the unprofessional behaviour of 2 people. He said I thought the whole world was against me when I was only telling him 2 people are rude to customers and each other unless the customers are spending gobs of money and I spend a lot of time trying to defuse the situation between the both of them and I was fed up and told him he needs to deal with their poor attitudes instead of just slapping them on the wrist and telling them the next time there's a staff function he's buying them one less beer.

This is me just explaining something to FGJ and not some desperate need for attention.

[Alan Lynch]

I missed this whole thing, and I've just read the first few pages of this thread. But holy shit; that's not cool in any way, shape or form. I don't care what someone says to rile you up. I'm more of a lurker in here so my opinion probably counts for dick, but I'm genuinely shcoked at all this. From what I've seen of them the folks involved seemed like decent sorts. But encouraging suicide? Shit, Typo, that's way out of line.

[Valmore]

You'd have done a lot better without the last line, Joe.

It's because Joe hates me.

This one time, he knocked me over and stole my lunch money.

[Jeff Brady]

Anyhow, Typo Lad turned viscious and now has apologized. (But is it sincere?)

Lad's been praying on it. All signs point to "yes".

[mattx110]

It's because Joe hates me.

This one time, he knocked me over and stole my lunch money.
Better than knocking you up and stealing your lunch money I suppose.

[bert]

kmeyers et all, I'm sorry, I just found it nastily distasteful that bert found this a good time for another round of "Why Joe and Alex suck." Calling someone out on saying someone should kill themselves? Not really one of my shittier deeds.

and I never said that.

I gave context. I haven't posted here in a while, and you and Alex are the main reasons. It was important to show that altough I can't stand either of you, I *did* call Morts out on what he said.

I can understand why he said it, but that doesn't mean I think it was right.

you started the thread, so I included you in in setting the context.

I called Morts on it Joe, and you singling ME out in this thread after pages of some others saying things like (paraphrasing) "well. . Alex is a jerk so he deserved it" shows that you are a petty individual -- probably more so than you accuse me of being.

[Winslow]

and I never said that.

I gave context. I haven't posted here in a while, and you and Alex are the main reasons. It was important to show that altough I can't stand either of you, I *did* call Morts out on what he said.

I can understand why he said it, but that doesn't mean I think it was right.

you started the thread, so I included you in in setting the context.

I called Morts on it Joe, and you singling ME out in this thread after pages of some others saying things like (paraphrasing) "well. . Alex is a jerk so he deserved it" shows that you are a petty individual -- probably more so than you accuse me of being.

Then your comments are out of context and unhelpful.

This about one of the nastiest, vicious, and shittiest things a person can say to another that is having suicidal thoughts.

There is a HUGE difference between internet nastiness and snark, and REAL LIFE.

I'm shocked that people can't tell the difference.

[bert]

Then your comments are out of context and unhelpful.

This about one of the nastiest, vicious, and shittiest things a person can say to another that is having suicidal thoughts.

There is a HUGE difference between internet nastiness and snark, and REAL LIFE.



yep, and again, that's why I called Morts on it.

saying I understand why he said it, and saying "it's allright that you said it" are two different things.

I never said that it was alright that he said it.

but I do understand why he said it.

and I told Morts that.

(I honestly can't understand why folks are treating me this way. . . but, oh well, I debated about coming back to Comm to post here, but since Morts kind of mentioned me anyways -- as someone who called him out via PM -- I figured I should publicly mention what I was feeling.

mistake apparently).

[Winslow]

. . .but I do understand why he said it. . . .

This is what I'm calling you out on.

This is bullshit.

There's NO EXCUSE for it.

[Wesley Dodds]

This is what I'm calling you out on.

This is bullshit.

There's NO EXCUSE for it.

I'm not sure why you're having trouble with this -- understanding why someone did something isn't the same as approving of it. What bert has said is perfectly sensible.

[Joe Rice]

Yes, bert, I was the petty one here.

[bert]

This is what I'm calling you out on.

This is bullshit.

There's NO EXCUSE for it.

and this is the heart of where we disagree.

THIS is why I provided the context of saying that I've been the victim of Alex's cyber-bullying.

I can completely understand why someone who is getting picked on would want to lash out in a hateful, harmful way.

you really can't see why someone would say something so awful JUST to hurt someone who's been bullying them?

(and I'm NOT saying that what Alex did in the thread was bullying. . but I haven't been around thier interactions, so I only know what I infer from Morts. . but I infer that he felt bullied).

again, that doesn't excuse what was said

but it does allow me to understand WHY it was said.

and again, understanding it, and excusing it are differnt things.

bert

[bert]

Yes, bert, I was the petty one here.

in this particular thread, directed at me?

yes.


in the YABS thread, directed at Morts? Nope. You were defending your friend. and i understand that too.

[Shade]

and this is the heart of where we disagree.

THIS is why I provided the context of saying that I've been the victim of Alex's cyber-bullying.

I can completely understand why someone who is getting picked on would want to lash out in a hateful, harmful way.

you really can't see why someone would say something so awful JUST to hurt someone who's been bullying them?

(and I'm NOT saying that what Alex did in the thread was bullying. . but I haven't been around thier interactions, so I only know what I infer from Morts. . but I infer that he felt bullied).

again, that doesn't excuse what was said

but it does allow me to understand WHY it was said.

and again, understanding it, and excusing it are differnt things.

bert

Sorry, but that all just sounds like a load of crap. I appreciate the difference between "understanding" and "excusing" but you could have easily said that with out the framing of "Alex and Joe picked on me too!" crap. It added nothing to what you were trying to say other than to either invoke sympathy for Morts or yourself....or to make Alex look like he had this coming.

Saying you called Morts out on it and saying you expressed to him that you "understood" at the same time is a contradiction. You can't condemn the behavior then justify it with "understanding"....be it here or to Morts in private.

I don't know your history with Joe and Alex....and guess what? I didn't need to because it has no relevance to this matter.

[Winslow]

I'm not sure why you're having trouble with this -- understanding why someone did something isn't the same as approving of it. What bert has said is perfectly sensible.

This is akin to saying you understand why the rapist raped because she was dressed so sexy.

I've had suicidal thoughts, so maybe I have too much baggage here to see this clearly.

But I'm amazed people cannot see the gravity of Typo's words . . .

[Jeff Brady]

Crap, I missed this bit.

...This was underscored by some PMs where he said what, to me, were some hurtful and condescending things about the friendship between Morts, myself, and Jeff. I'm not going to go into details, but I think what he said in those PMs was out of line and underscores his lack of understanding of Morts as a person.

I apologize if any feelings were hurt- that wasn't ever an intention.

This did upset me. Alex, I admit that I occasionally have a hard time deciphering your tone, and in that context, it was difficult to do anything but take your words at face value. If you say the previous characterization of our friendships with Morts was meant to be taken in jest, then I accept your apology, and offer one in return, for misunderstanding your intention.

[Athena Bast]

This is akin to saying you understand why the rapist raped because she was dressed so sexy.

I've had suicidal thoughts, so maybe I have too much baggage here to see this clearly.

But I'm amazed people cannot see the gravity of Typo's words . . .

No it's not.

What Typo was horrible and wrong, yes, but I can also bet that he feels KO makes a point or a goal to poke/prod/needle him at any opportunity. He was probably feeling horrible and probably having his arch-nemesis to comment on it didn't serve any purpose but to just make a bad situation worse. It doesn't matter what KO said, Typo shouldn't have said what he said. He probably just saw KO, saw red, and decorum was tossed by the wayside.

I saw what Typo said but didn't see what KO said to fuel it because, in all honesty, I have him on ignore. I usually avoid people who annoy me. I'm sure Typo's feeling that if should KO dislike him, why does he seek him out to comment on.

This is going to be a horrible analogy but knowing a rapist was abused by an authority figure doesn't excuse why he raped but goes with explaining why he did it.

[Michael P]

This is going to be a horrible analogy but knowing a rapist was abused by an authority figure doesn't excuse why he raped but goes with explaining why he did it.

You're right. That's a horrible analogy.

[Charles RB]

This is what I'm calling you out on.

This is bullshit.

There's NO EXCUSE for it.

Saying he understands isn't the same thing as saying he excuses it.

I do a course in Understanding Terrorism. This teaches me to understand (and try to) why terrorists are terrorists and what's the driving force. I do not excuse or sympathise with the fuckers. Similarly, Bert's not saying he thinks telling suicidal people to kill themselves is fine and dandy even though he gets where the "this guy has been pissing me off for a while, I shall say something nasty to him!" impulse comes from.

[Ed Cunard]

No it's not.

What Typo was horrible and wrong, yes, but I can also bet that he feels KO makes a point or a goal to poke/prod/needle him at any opportunity. He was probably feeling horrible and probably having his arch-nemesis to comment on it didn't serve any purpose.

I saw what Typo said but didn't see what KO said to fuel it because, in all honesty, I have him on ignore. I usually avoid people who annoy me. I'm sure Typo's feeling that if should KO dislike him, why does he seek him out to comment on.

This is going to be a horrible analogy but knowing a rapist was abused by an authority figure doesn't excuse why he raped but goes with explaining why he did it.

I don't see it that way at all. I know KO's been showing up as frequently as I have these past few months, so I'd say that, whatever the history, that's enough water under the bridge to not apply to an explanation of the why he brought out the suicide dig.

[Dom]

This is going to be a horrible analogy but knowing a rapist was abused by an authority figure doesn't excuse why he raped but goes with explaining why he did it.

And yet, you made it anway.

[Ed Cunard]

Saying he understands isn't the same thing as saying he excuses it.

I do a course in Understanding Terrorism. This teaches me to understand (and try to) why terrorists are terrorists and what's the driving force. I do not excuse or sympathise with the fuckers.

Hell, even *I* understand it, and I am totally in love with Joe and Alex.

But even if I really hated Joe and Alex and felt "cyber-bullied" by them, I would have had the civility and common sense to not flame the fires further by saying, paraphrased, "I totally understand how much of a dick Alex can be because I have been there with Alex, the dick. What Typo did was still wrong and crossed the line, no matter to whom it was addressed, whether it was a normal, decent person or Alex, the dick."

[Athena Bast]

You're right. That's a horrible analogy.

Well, Winslow mentioned a rapist initially and I wanted to tie it together.

I was originally going use zoo animals who snap after being teased by people. First thought is to put the animal down because they attacked a person. Others say if the animal wasn't teased it wouldn't have happened but there's always the underlying wild animal no matter how domesticated it may seem.

[Shade]

Saying he understands isn't the same thing as saying he excuses it.

I do a course in Understanding Terrorism. This teaches me to understand (and try to) why terrorists are terrorists and what's the driving force. I do not excuse or sympathise with the fuckers. Similarly, Bert's not saying he thinks telling suicidal people to kill themselves is fine and dandy even though he gets where the "this guy has been pissing me off for a while, I shall say something nasty to him!" impulse comes from.

Emphasis mine. There is the difference. You don't hang out and private message with the terrorist do you? Maybe it wasn't his intention but Bert came off as rationalizing Typo's behavior, and used his own feelings/history to do so, which was in no way relevant to the matter.

I'm all for empathy and understanding...I really am. I dig Morts and have tried very hard to see his side, and there is no path I can see getting me to where he went other than the path of "I am seriously fucked up and need help". Cause if I ever "understand" getting to that point of cruelty to another human being, I'm pretty sure I'm the one who's the douche.

[Agent Helix]

Guys, this thread doesn't need any more martyrs.

[Jack Zodiac]

You can never have enough martyrs.

[Kid Omega]

What Typo was horrible and wrong, yes, but I can also bet that he feels KO makes a point or a goal to poke/prod/needle him at any opportunity...

I'm sure Typo's feeling that if should KO dislike him, why does he seek him out to comment on.


My last interaction with Morts was exactly four months ago. And it was sporadic, at best, before that. So let's stop with the myth that I follow him around needling him.


He was probably feeling horrible and probably having his arch-nemesis to comment on it didn't serve any purpose but to just make a bad situation worse.

I was unaware of this development. It was news to me.

[Merey]

yep, and again, that's why I called Morts on it.

saying I understand why he said it, and saying "it's allright that you said it" are two different things.

I never said that it was alright that he said it.

but I do understand why he said it.

and I told Morts that.

(I honestly can't understand why folks are treating me this way. . . but, oh well, I debated about coming back to Comm to post here, but since Morts kind of mentioned me anyways -- as someone who called him out via PM -- I figured I should publicly mention what I was feeling.

mistake apparently).

Sorry, but that all just sounds like a load of crap. I appreciate the difference between "understanding" and "excusing" but you could have easily said that with out the framing of "Alex and Joe picked on me too!" crap. It added nothing to what you were trying to say other than to either invoke sympathy for Morts or yourself....or to make Alex look like he had this coming.

Saying you called Morts out on it and saying you expressed to him that you "understood" at the same time is a contradiction. You can't condemn the behavior then justify it with "understanding"....be it here or to Morts in private.

I don't know your history with Joe and Alex....and guess what? I didn't need to because it has no relevance to this matter.


Exactly. All I can see here is Bert using this opportunity to take his digs at Joe and Alex. There is no reason at all to throw his baggage full of gasoline onto the fire. There's nothing constructive about it and frankly, within the context of the gross wrong committed here, I think it's an appalling display of self-centeredness.

[SPAfreak]

I was unaware of this development. It was news to me.

There needs to be a chart. Or at least some t-shirts.

[jessecuster3]

Alex, I just wanted to say I was wrong and I apologize.

[Tom]

If you feel someone is "needling" you or "cyber-bullying" you, I can understand getting angry, I can understand lashing out, I can even understand saying something that you'll come to regret. But I CANNOT, under any circumstances "understand" the impulse that causes one to advocate suicide.

[Ta2grrl]

Alex, I just wanted to say I was wrong and I apologize.

If you're trying to be funny, you've picked a very bad time...

XXX

[jessecuster3]

If you're trying to be funny, you've picked a very bad time...

XXX

No, I was not kidding. I don't know what would you give you that impression.

[Ta2grrl]

No, I was not kidding. I don't know what would you give you that impression.

To be honest, with this thread, I thought it might be a shot at lightening the room...

If you're being real then kudos...

XXX

[Athena Bast]

My last interaction with Morts was exactly four months ago. And it was sporadic, at best, before that. So let's stop with the myth that I follow him around needling him.



I was unaware of this development. It was news to me.

You don't follow him around but when you do chime in I can bet he feels like you do. I don't talk to my family often but my father never fails to insult me when I do. Unfortunately that colours every interaction I have with them.

Also, I couldn't think of another word to use.

[Charles RB]

Hell, even *I* understand it, and I am totally in love with Joe and Alex.

But even if I really hated Joe and Alex and felt "cyber-bullied" by them, I would have had the civility and common sense to not flame the fires further by saying, paraphrased, "I totally understand how much of a dick Alex can be because I have been there with Alex, the dick.

Granted, the phrasing probably didn't help.

And I admit I've probably unhelped further by getting involved in this bit, so I'll stop now.

You can never have enough martyrs.

Ah, you're doing Understanding Terrorism too?

[Justin D.]

I called Morts on it Joe, and you singling ME out in this thread after pages of some others saying things like (paraphrasing) "well. . Alex is a jerk so he deserved it" shows that you are a petty individual -- probably more so than you accuse me of being.

That's the thing, Bert. I haven't seen anyone else actually saying what you quoted. I've seen people saying, "Alex can be a dick, but what Morts said was uncalled for," but no one has said he deserved it. No one.

Saying he understands isn't the same thing as saying he excuses it.

I do a course in Understanding Terrorism. This teaches me to understand (and try to) why terrorists are terrorists and what's the driving force. I do not excuse or sympathise with the fuckers. Similarly, Bert's not saying he thinks telling suicidal people to kill themselves is fine and dandy even though he gets where the "this guy has been pissing me off for a while, I shall say something nasty to him!" impulse comes from.

I agree with this.

If you feel someone is "needling" you or "cyber-bullying" you, I can understand getting angry, I can understand lashing out, I can even understand saying something that you'll come to regret. But I CANNOT, under any circumstances "understand" the impulse that causes one to advocate suicide.

However, I agree with this too.


My last interaction with Morts was exactly four months ago. And it was sporadic, at best, before that. So let's stop with the myth that I follow him around needling him.

To be honest, you felt the same way about me not too long ago. There was a time when you thought I responded to your posts just to argue with you. Even when I purposely went months without responding to you because of a blowout we had, avoiding whole threads sometimes, and when I finally did respond to something you said, you accused me of following you around to post disagreements with you. Your words above almost echo mine exactly. It's one of the things that makes it so easy to relate now.

[Winslow]

I should excuse myself and let Tom do the talking.

If you feel someone is "needling" you or "cyber-bullying" you, I can understand getting angry, I can understand lashing out, I can even understand saying something that you'll come to regret. But I CANNOT, under any circumstances "understand" the impulse that causes one to advocate suicide.

I can understand anger, I could even understand a "fuck you Kid Omega."

But an advocation of suicide to someone struggling with depression is ugly beyond ugly.

[i_mmmchocolate]

I can understand anger, I could even understand a "fuck you Kid Omega."

But an advocation of suicide to someone struggling with depression is ugly beyond ugly.
Seriously. "It was a terrible thing to say, but I understand because XYZ."

I honestly don't know what's worse: typo for writing those hateful words or the folks who have said it was 'understandable.'

[bert]

Here ya go Justin.



While the specific comment was awful, the baiting that led to it was almost equally awful.

[bert]

Seriously. "It was a terrible thing to say, but I understand because XYZ."

I honestly don't know what's worse: typo for writing those hateful words or the folks who have said it was 'understandable.'

gee Lena, nobody said it was "understandable."

Edit: I *did* say I understand why he said it, and by that, I meant, I understand the impulse behind it.

that was as clear as I can get.

[Joe Rice]

jesse was immediately called on that, bert, and has since apologized.

[Matt Algren]

Here ya go Justin.
And he's since apologized. Holy crap, you don't like Alex and Joe. We know. The whole world knows. This isn't the time or the place to wage your holy war against Alex and/or Joe.

[bert]

jesse was immediately called on that, bert, and has since apologized.

yes. I was showing Justin an example of someone saying what I had paraprhased.

however, *I* didn't say anything like that.

y'all are reading too much into this.

I was providing context and that's just about it.

I've been civil here, despite being accused several times of "holy war" against you and Alex.

when all I did was say that I have been the victim of Alex's cyber-bullying (which is absolutely true), to provide context into my input as to what Morts said.

that's all.

just as any post by someone I don't care for gets read w/ "baggage". . y'all are doing the same thing to me here.

and that's fine.

you're entitled to your opinions, just as I'm entitled to mine.

[Ed Cunard]

And he's since apologized. Holy crap, you don't like Alex and Joe. We know. The whole world knows. This isn't the time or the place to wage your holy war against Alex and/or Joe.

Can we call that a jerkhad, in light of the terrorism analogy?

Because that's just comedy gold.

[Matt Algren]

yes. I was showing Justin an example of someone saying what I had paraprhased.

however, *I* didn't say anything like that.

y'all are reading too much into this.

I was providing context and that's just about it.

I've been civil here, despite being accused several times of "holy war" against you and Alex.

when all I did was say that I have been the victim of Alex's cyber-bullying (which is absolutely true), to provide context into my input as to what Morts said.

that's all.

just as any post by someone I don't care for gets read w/ "baggage". . y'all are doing the same thing to me here.

and that's fine.

you're entitled to your opinions, just as I'm entitled to mine.
My opinion is that you're stirring shit for no reason other than to twist the knife, which is pretty darn fup.

[Matt Algren]

Can we call that a jerkhad, in light of the terrorism analogy?

Because that's just comedy gold.

Jerkhave. Present tense.

[Lone Ranger]

Seriously - anyone who is still really, really worked up over the semantics of who said what in terms of the peripheral discussion should just walk away.

This will all blow over in time, any too many people are simple making themselves look bad.

Sometimes the best thing to do is walk away and move on.

[Winslow]

. . . when all I did was say that I have been the victim of Alex's cyber-bullying (which is absolutely true), to provide context into my input as to what Morts said.

Victim?

Sheesh . .that's all the context I needed.

Alex has directed sarcastic snark at me for disagreements. I don't feel victimized by it, nor have I felt any rage at him.

It's life on the internet.

And sometimes things aren't all about me.

[Joe Rice]

Victim?

Sheesh . .that's all the context I needed.

Alex has directed sarcastic snark at me for disagreements. I don't feel victimized by it, nor have I felt any rage at him.

It's life on the internet.

And sometimes things aren't all about me.

Self-awareness over self-obsession? Novel, on the internet, at least!

[bert]

My opinion is that you're stirring shit for no reason other than to twist the knife, which is pretty darn fup.

you don't really know me at all, so it's a shame you're basing your opinion on what you have heard.

what would be f'd up is if I came in here and spewed bile

but I haven't.

I gave context to my comment -- which, by the way, was that Morts was wrong to say it, and I was pointing that out inspite of any feelings I have towards Alex.

other than that, I've been perfectly civil.

it's been others who are assigning things to me that weren't said or written.

[bert]

Victim?

Sheesh . .that's all the context I needed.

Alex has directed sarcastic snark at me for disagreements. I don't feel victimized by it, nor have I felt any rage at him.

It's life on the internet.



sarcastic snark for some is bullying for others.

it's all in the perception.

[Winslow]

you don't really know me at all, so it's a shame you're basing your opinion on what you have heard.

what would be f'd up is if I came in here and spewed bile

but I haven't.

I gave context to my comment -- which, by the way, was that Morts was wrong to say it, and I was pointing that out inspite of any feelings I have towards Alex.

other than that, I've been perfectly civil.

it's been others who are assigning things to me that weren't said or written.

Show Typo's comments to your significant other (I'm assuming he doesn't post here), and watch him gasp.

Then maybe you'll "get it."

[Matt Algren]

Wait, when did this become all about bert?

[bert]

Show Typo's comments to your significant other (I'm assuming he doesn't post here), and watch him gasp.

Then maybe you'll "get it."

I don't understand.

I'm certain what Morts said would make him gasp.

but that doesn't change anything about what I've said here, regarding understanding why Morts would want to lash out (without excusing what he said).

[Guapo Méndez]

Guys, no amount of understanding or rationalization helps here.

The discussion went from slap to knife to gun to nuke.
If there hadn't been a goddamned nuke, the shoe would be in the other foot.

But there was a nuke. Fucking H-Bomb. Undeniably uncalled for.

No matter how much we try to understand the reasons behind it, we would have never thrown nuke.

That takes us out of the equation. I would encourage folks to leave things be, because all this is doing is sparkig secondary and tertiary discussions that touch on the subject but do not benefit anyone.

Morts is out (any type of punishment is being decided by mods...and even if it isn't, posters will treat Morts according to what they feel when he returns. He ain't emerging from this one scott free).

Other posters have shown their support for Alex and I truly hope he's getting the help he requires.

[bert]

Wait, when did this become all about bert?

don't ask me. . my comment was about Morts/Alex.

[Shade]

don't ask me. . my comment was about Morts/Alex.

and Joe and.....oh yeah......YOU!

[Kid Omega]

To be honest, you felt the same way about me not too long ago. There was a time when you thought I responded to your posts just to argue with you.

Well, not to argue, but to chide me, which you have to admit, you have done a lot of in the past.


Even when I purposely went months without responding to you because of a blowout we had, avoiding whole threads sometimes, and when I finally did respond to something you said, you accused me of following you around to post disagreements with you.

Well, I was wrong. I'm sorry, Justin. You absolutely were not doing that. I just felt like the only time you responded to me was to correct my behaiviour, but to accuse you of worse than than that was wrong-headed and likely said in the heat of an argument.

I have a feeling you popped up at the wrong time and I blew up at what I saw to be one more finger-wagging. I'm sorry about that, and I do appreciate the efforts you've taken to not behave the way I was accusing you of behaving.

If I haven't apologized before this, it was a stupid oversight on my part, because I've intended to make amends for some time.

[Matt Algren]

don't ask me. . my comment was about Morts/Alex.
...in relation to you and how much of a big meanie Alex was to you and grr how Joe is mean to you too.

Hey, I navel-gaze myself. I'm just sayin'.

Coke to Shade.

[Justin D.]

Well, not to argue, but to chide me, which you have to admit, you have done a lot of in the past.

Man, I'd like to not cop to this, but that would be a lie. You've done the same to me. As I think I've told you, and I know I told Joe, I think one of reasons we tend to irk the shit out of each other at times is because we're alike in a lot of ways.

How about that mindfuck?

Well, I was wrong. I'm sorry, Justin. You absolutely were not doing that. I just felt like the only time you responded to me was to correct my behaiviour, but to accuse you of worse than than that was wrong-headed and likely said in the heat of an argument.

I have a feeling you popped up at the wrong time and I blew up at what I saw to be one more finger-wagging. I'm sorry about that, and I do appreciate the efforts you've taken to not behave the way I was accusing you of behaving.

If I haven't apologized before this, it was a stupid oversight on my part, because I've intended to make amends for some time.

Just like people are more likely give negative reviews than positive ones, most are more likely to remember negative interactions with other people than any other. We're likely to argue again some time in the future, but we should make sure to not act like that's all there is.

Don't worry about it now though.

[stealthwise]

So... a dozen hot wings later and there's at least a dozen more pages to this thread. Why?

Is it being left here for cathartic/venting purposes? It just reads like more fuel being dumped onto a dying flame. Can we lock it now or does it need to stay open for a few more days?

[gary bolt]

My last interaction with Morts was exactly four months ago. And it was sporadic, at best, before that. So let's stop with the myth that I follow him around needling him.

Except for your ridiculous January "Juice" thread which is erased from history for some reason.

[macul]

Good grief. I've no dog in this fight (and I still have a nagging feeling this isn't completely legitimate...), but how about every one of you who is going on and on about this, log off of your computers for about a day. Walk away. Get out. You are beating yourselves up over words said on a message board. There are only about one gazillion more important things in life than a message board spat.

[Kid Omega]

Except for your ridiculous January "Juice" thread which is erased from history for some reason.

I'm sorry that I forgot that. (Forgot it completely, actually.... I have no idea what you're talking about.)

But I will remember to doublecheck with your ledger the next time I need to chronicle when i was a jerk and to whom.

sheesh.

If nothing else, these past few days have been a constant and helpful reminder of what a COMPLETE ASSHOLE i am. It's given me a nice constant nausea.

:D :D :D :D

[Justin D.]

Except for your ridiculous January "Juice" thread which is erased from history for some reason.

If you're talking about the thread where Alex mocked Morts and his drinking thread to a ruthless degree, it was erased, well, because everyone got pointlessly ruthless in it. Unlike the recent threads, it only continued to get louder and full of more vitriol from all sides.

Oh, and bert? I've talked to Morts and while he said he's not reading the thread any more, he's asked me to tell you stop. It won't look good if you try to explain either.

Alex, you're not a complete asshole. Not completely. Take it from someone who knows what an asshole is.

[Slam_Bradley]

If nothing else, these past few days have been a constant and helpful reminder of what a COMPLETE ASSHOLE i am. It's given me a nice constant nausea.


You're really a fairly incomplete asshole.

As an asshole I feel qualified to pass this judgment.

[Matt Algren]

Take it from someone who knows what an asshole is.Don't talk about me like I'm not here.

:mad:

[Shade]

If nothing else, these past few days have been a constant and helpful reminder of what a COMPLETE ASSHOLE i am. It's given me a nice constant nausea.

:D :D :D :D

It's really Joe is that is the asshole....you're just guilty by association.

(I would insert a smiley here so Joe knows I'm kidding but apparently you can only have four in a post and Alex used them all in his post I quoted (ASSHOLE!)...plus the new smileys creep me out.)

[bert]

Oh, and bert? I've talked to Morts and while he said he's not reading the thread any more, he's asked me to tell you stop. It won't look good if you try to explain either.


and this wasn't PM because???

I thought this wasn't about me?



(EDIT: and speaking of PM, thanks to the several folks who completely understood what I was saying, and how it wasn't an attack on anyone, but just to give context to the fact that I was coming down on the side that the comment was inappropriate. I do wish y'all would speak up on the thread, rather than leaving me hanging . . but I suppose silent support is better than no support at all).

and with that, I'm done here on this thread. . there's no point in continuing.

bert

[Brian Cronin]

I don't mind the hashing out of stuff, but keep comments like calling each other insults out of it.

-Brian

[Justin D.]

and this wasn't PM because???

I thought this wasn't about me?

You're right, it should have been. However, my comment wasn't about you as much as it was about Morts.

[jessecuster3]

Isn't it about time we locked this one?

[Charles RB]

Lock this one? The original still hasn't been locked...

[Valmore]

Must not stir the pot ... must not stir the pot ...

[Jack Zodiac]

If you don't stir it, everything'll stick to the bottom and we'll have to throw it away.

Hey, wait, that's a great idea!

[DonC]

Isn't it about time we locked this one?

Lock this one? The original still hasn't been locked...


I can only guess that people enjoy watching all the shit being thrown back and forth. I'm pretty sure it's over, though. I guess we'll all have to go back to talking about religion and abortion.

[Forefinger]

SMDFF, everyone!