"Secret Invasion" First Strike -- Bendis on Who Was Hit and Why

[Monty_Cristo]

If you compare Danny Daredevil's Judas analogy and Luke Cage's midnight raid response to Stark, it becomes even more apparent the concept of selling out for the "greater good of the nation" was entirely detestable in their eyes.

reminds me of how people in Harlem used to see Luke as a sell-out. also reminds of that period, shortly after Onslaught killed many of the world's heroes, that Iron Fist nearly sold the world to a bunch of dragons. if he had his way, everyone would be answering to something much more evil than Stark/SHIELD. and there's the time that Cage cooperated with the Master to sterilize much of the world's population; lying to his teammates throughout. all for the greater good.

and i find it hilarious that it's Danny and Luke who are so venomous towards the registration act when they basically started the concept of charging people to be saved. Iron Fist didn't even need the money. hah! "judas?" Iron Man was already an expert at saving people when Danny was still trying to murder Harold Meachum. and Cage aided and abetted Punisher in one during one of his killing sprees. Captain America woudln't have approved of that.

[TotalWorldDomination]

reminds me of how people in Harlem used to see Luke as a sell-out. also reminds of that period, shortly after Onslaught killed many of the world's heroes, that Iron Fist nearly sold the world to a bunch of dragons. if he had his way, everyone would be answering to something much more evil than Stark/SHIELD. and there's the time that Cage cooperated with the Master to sterilize much of the world's population; lying to his teammates throughout. all for the greater good.

and i find it hilarious that it's Danny and Luke who are so venomous towards the registration act when they basically started the concept of charging people to be saved. Iron Fist didn't even need the money. hah! "judas?" Iron Man was already an expert at saving people when Danny was still trying to murder Harold Meachum. and Cage aided and abetted Punisher in one during one of his killing sprees. Captain America woudln't have approved of that.

Have I told you lately that I love you? :biggrin:

[Monty_Cristo]

Have I told you lately that I love you? :biggrin:

no, but it's hard to tell. there's always someone professing to love people over on the x-boards. ;)

[Mark_S]

reminds me of how people in Harlem used to see Luke as a sell-out. also reminds of that period, shortly after Onslaught killed many of the world's heroes, that Iron Fist nearly sold the world to a bunch of dragons. if he had his way, everyone would be answering to something much more evil than Stark/SHIELD. and there's the time that Cage cooperated with the Master to sterilize much of the world's population; lying to his teammates throughout. all for the greater good.

and i find it hilarious that it's Danny and Luke who are so venomous towards the registration act when they basically started the concept of charging people to be saved. Iron Fist didn't even need the money. hah! "judas?" Iron Man was already an expert at saving people when Danny was still trying to murder Harold Meachum. and Cage aided and abetted Punisher in one during one of his killing sprees. Captain America woudln't have approved of that.


Part of the problem is that the scale is different. When Cage started out as Hero for Hire he was on the run, I think they tried to make him a Shaft-like character. His team up with Danny was more by accident than anything else. It was Danny's lawyer who advised Luke to bring HFH into a larger scale and create what was basically a super powered security force. But while he did become a sucess I don't think that Luke ever forgot the forces that created them, and how easily the government can throw you into a hole and then throw away the key. With the shra (as it was originally written) Cage saw everyone becoming government servents whether they liked it or not. That this was later watered down in some titles is un-deniable, but for cw main Luke saw Tony become a force for government oppression. And I think that Clor must have cinched it for him.

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

Part of the problem is that the scale is different. When Cage started out as Hero for Hire he was on the run, I think they tried to make him a Shaft-like character. His team up with Danny was more by accident than anything else. It was Danny's lawyer who advised Luke to bring HFH into a larger scale and create what was basically a super powered security force. But while he did become a sucess I don't think that Luke ever forgot the forces that created them, and how easily the government can throw you into a hole and then throw away the key. With the shra (as it was originally written) Cage saw everyone becoming government servents whether they liked it or not. That this was later watered down in some titles is un-deniable, but for cw main Luke saw Tony become a force for government oppression. And I think that Clor must have cinched it for him.

Mark_S

i wonder what his cop dad would think of his actions.

[Venom Melendez]

Part of the problem is that the scale is different. When Cage started out as Hero for Hire he was on the run, I think they tried to make him a Shaft-like character. His team up with Danny was more by accident than anything else. It was Danny's lawyer who advised Luke to bring HFH into a larger scale and create what was basically a super powered security force. But while he did become a sucess I don't think that Luke ever forgot the forces that created them, and how easily the government can throw you into a hole and then throw away the key. With the shra (as it was originally written) Cage saw everyone becoming government servents whether they liked it or not. That this was later watered down in some titles is un-deniable, but for cw main Luke saw Tony become a force for government oppression. And I think that Clor must have cinched it for him.

Mark_S


Luke and Danny always ended up working for free and doing good deeds because it was the right thing to do anyway.

[Venom Melendez]

If Spider-Woman was a Skrull. She would have killed the New Avengers when the plane crashed after she kicked Wolverines Ass. Spider-Woman taking Elektra to Stark started all of this. If she did not take the Skrull to him, they could have still snuck around and attacked when they wanted. Let's try to forget that Spider-Woman skrull would not kill the New Avengers because killing Spiderman would be bad for Marvel's bottom line. It just does not make sense while they were knocked out, to not kill Strange, Spidey, Ironfist, and Echo. You can't kill Cage, or Wolverine. Well since she is a Skrull, she could use her Skrull power to kill Wolverine, and Cage I guess.

I guess this would also explain to alot of people why Spider-Woman was able to beat Wolverine twice.

Spider-Woman can't be a Skrull.... Well if she is it better not be from New Avengers #1.


She didn't exactly check if they where alive after the crash.She just took the Skrull and left them almost dying on the ground.

[Kirk G]

I agree, while Cage has become a lot more useful as of late, he still nowhere near A lister. I think an A person has to be the type of Superhero where i could ask a randem person about them and they would know who they are.

Such as Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk

If i asked someone who Luke Cage they would just give me an odd look.

He's the guy named after Nicolas Cage...don'cha know!:rolleyes:

[Monty_Cristo]

He's the guy named after Nicolas Cage...don'cha know!:rolleyes:

so why isn't his name 'Luke Coppolla?'

[Kirk G]

I think the moral of the story here is that traditional superherism is still largely intact even for many of the registered heroes.

I think if they failed to repulse a skrull or kree invasion, just ONCE... the game would be over.

Look at how many times the Skrulls have come to earth...
FF #2...Reed Richard saves earth by lieing to them about killer satellites & monsters.
FF #19... Superskrull bred to remove the FF... almost succeeds
FF #37... Skrull emperor agrees to leave Earthlings alone

FF#242 or so...Nova flies to Skrullhomeworld, Galactus Eats it.
Avengers #92-93... three cows shot me down...
Kree =Skrull war.

Now, the Illuminati, ill advised, decides that they've got the balls and the power level to journey to the Skrulls and warn them to stay off our mudball.

Some serious mis-plotting there, considering that Reed already had that pledge since FF 37,... and that the Skrulls were at war with the Kree, not Earth... in the Kree-Skrull war.

Or do I mis-understand?

[XPac]

She didn't exactly check if they where alive after the crash.She just took the Skrull and left them almost dying on the ground.

Yeah.

Initially I didn't think Jessica was a skrull, but the more I think about it the more skrully she seems.

I still don't understand why she wouldn't take the thing to Reed Richards before Stark. He's smarter, more trustworthy, and more an expert on the skrulls.

The only reason I think think of is that she's a skrull and they're using this to further manipulate Tony, or at least keep it away from Richards.

[Shyft]

this too shall pass.

yeah, but for now we should roll with the good times.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Yeah.

Initially I didn't think Jessica was a skrull, but the more I think about it the more skrully she seems.

I still don't understand why she wouldn't take the thing to Reed Richards before Stark. He's smarter, more trustworthy, and more an expert on the skrulls.

The only reason I think think of is that she's a skrull and they're using this to further manipulate Tony, or at least keep it away from Richards.

If jess wasn't a skrull (and I'm of the opinion she probably is) she'd take the body to stark because he's the one she knows. She's worked with him, she knows him, she even found out that he was going to ask her out.

Reed... I don't know if she's ever met reed. Not to mention if people are turning into skrulls, they probably grabbed him first.

[Jadeskies]

I just dont get why the Skrulls would mass release so many super villains from thier containment prisons. It doesn't make sense. The last thing an invading force wants is to release a whole bunch of super powered psychos/killers/masterminds/thugs from prison.

It doesnt take a genius supervillain to see little green men coming to overthrow your planet and to side with the other humans that are trying to protect it. You cant rob banks with bags that have 'LOOT' written on them when your entire civilization is overthrown by green skinned aliens. You can't control hells kitchen's criminal underworld when the city has been nuked from outerspace. You cant dominate the planet if you have a newer stronger force holding it than what you consistantly lost against in the last regime.

Even if the skrulls did need to get a few of them out you would think that shape shifters capable of creating a virus to wipe out tony stark would have a more exacting scalpel to remove those they need from incarceration than just tossing everything in the air and seeing what shakes loose.

Makes no sense at all.

[Monty_Cristo]

yeah, but for now we should roll with the good times.

i'm planning on moving on up...to the east side.

[Mark_S]

If jess wasn't a skrull (and I'm of the opinion she probably is) she'd take the body to stark because he's the one she knows. She's worked with him, she knows him, she even found out that he was going to ask her out.

Reed... I don't know if she's ever met reed. Not to mention if people are turning into skrulls, they probably grabbed him first.

What female character has Tony not tried to get into bed? If I were Reed I wouldn't leave the guy alone with Sue. Heck when I saw the scene where Jess and Natasha were in the hot tub I half expected Tony to join them.

Mark_S

[TotalWorldDomination]

What female character has Tony not tried to get into bed? If I were Reed I wouldn't leave the guy alone with Sue. Heck when I saw the scene where Jess and Natasha were in the hot tub I half expected Tony to join them.

Mark_S

Come on, if you were reed richards you shouldn't leave sue alone with ANYONE for ANY length of time. To paraphrase the brother of a young man that interned with the FF "Sue Storm hits on anything that moves".

[marvelboi77]

She didn't exactly check if they where alive after the crash.She just took the Skrull and left them almost dying on the ground.

Well lets remember that there not real, there characters. I just don't think a writer can have it both ways. Bendis could make any character a Skrull at this point I guess. But if she is it does not make sense that she would not finish them off.

[spidarwin]

Come on, if you were reed richards you shouldn't leave sue alone with ANYONE for ANY length of time. To paraphrase the brother of a young man that interned with the FF "Sue Storm hits on anything that moves".

Yeah, I did that for a semester in grad school...
I've still got pinch bruises on my ass...
you just never see her coming, and there's always
giggling afterward.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Yeah, I did that for a semester in grad school...
I've still got pinch bruises on my ass...
you just never see her coming, and there's always
giggling afterward.

Its worse when she makes your pants invisble and comments on your "Shapely Legs" when you think you're alone in an elevator. She's going to get sued one of these days...

[Kirk G]

What female character has Tony not tried to get into bed? If I were Reed I wouldn't leave the guy alone with Sue. Heck when I saw the scene where Jess and Natasha were in the hot tub I half expected Tony to join them.

Mark_S

Dude....
He was under the water at the time!
(Can't believe nobody saw this one coming....):rolleyes:

[Monty_Cristo]

Dude....
He was under the water at the time!
(Can't believe nobody saw this one coming....):rolleyes:

all of a sudden i had this really awful thought. would Spider-woman's pheremones make bubbles in the tub?

[XPac]

Come on, if you were reed richards you shouldn't leave sue alone with ANYONE for ANY length of time. To paraphrase the brother of a young man that interned with the FF "Sue Storm hits on anything that moves".

Has she ever cheated on Reed?

[agrich]

Has she ever cheated on Reed?

I suppose it depends how you define "cheat." She's left him for Namor several times in the past; we just don't know the extent of those encounters. (She and Namor have definitely made out.) The first instance I know of her leaving Reed was way back in the 140s or so, after Reed put Franklin in a coma during some Negative Zone incident.

I think we can reasonably assume she hasn't slept with Namor; Marvel doesn't seem likely to go there.

[spidarwin]

I suppose it depends how you define "cheat." She's left him for Namor several times in the past; we just don't know the extent of those encounters. (She and Namor have definitely made out.) The first instance I know of her leaving Reed was way back in the 140s or so, after Reed put Franklin in a coma during some Negative Zone incident.

I think we can reasonably assume she hasn't slept with Namor; Marvel doesn't seem likely to go there.

but she's probably seen his trident.

[Push You Down]

Atlantean physiology frightens me.

[Iron_Stark]

Has she ever cheated on Reed?


She's a hoe, she's cheated on him plenty of times with Namor.

[Mark_S]

She's a hoe, she's cheated on him plenty of times with Namor.

Really? I've seen her join with him a few times, but never more than that. What issue numbers in what titles have you seen?

Mark_S

[Kirk G]

I suppose it depends how you define "cheat." She's left him for Namor several times in the past; we just don't know the extent of those encounters. (She and Namor have definitely made out.) The first instance I know of her leaving Reed was way back in the 140s or so, after Reed put Franklin in a coma during some Negative Zone incident.

I think we can reasonably assume she hasn't slept with Namor; Marvel doesn't seem likely to go there.

There have been at least two or three hints at this. First, near the end of the Namor series, when Sue comes to him and they make love under a waterfall. (Turns out, it was Llyaia, the green skined vixen who used her imitation abilities to trick Namor into having an child with her... which is also a trick, because he was revealed to be sterile..as a mutant, like a mule is. However, she went to the banned Chief Scientist had had him clone a son for him. All this has been contradicted in the most recent 6 part submariner mini-series where he had a child by a chambermaid.)

[Kirk G]

There was another implication that something might have happened, when Reed came back from being stranded in the Negative Zone and grew a beard. She-Hulk and Namor slug it out and give Reed back his confidence, but it was all a trick, as revealed in the final pages...

And, most recently, in the last FF arc, it was implied that Namor takes Sue away from Reed at some point in the future....

[XPac]

She's a hoe, she's cheated on him plenty of times with Namor.

Like when? What did she actually do?

[Monty_Cristo]

she married Doctor Doom and took a carriage ride with Scott Lang. spin

[XPac]

she married Doctor Doom and took a carriage ride with Scott Lang. spin

I'm not an uber FF reader so maybe I"m getting my stories mixed up... but wasn't the Doom she hooked up with Reed?

[Mark_S]

I'm not an uber FF reader so maybe I"m getting my stories mixed up... but wasn't the Doom she hooked up with Reed?

Yea, it was Reed in Doom's body and he was slowly being turned into Doom.

Mark_S

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm not an uber FF reader so maybe I"m getting my stories mixed up... but wasn't the Doom she hooked up with Reed?

yes. but i'd liken it to your girlfriend/boyfriend marrying you while you're dressed up like me.

[Mark_S]

It wasn't a great story, but it did have a great cover. Doom sitting on the throne of Latveria, Ben and Johny behind him and Sue sprawled at his feet. If you were ever going to picture Doom's vision of Ultimate Victory over Reed I think that would be it.

Mark_S

[mikekerr3]

yes. but i'd liken it to your girlfriend/boyfriend marrying you while you're dressed up like me.

Cosplay?:smile:

[IronStarks]

It wasn't a great story, but it did have a great cover. Doom sitting on the throne of Latveria, Ben and Johny behind him and Sue sprawled at his feet. If you were ever going to picture Doom's vision of Ultimate Victory over Reed I think that would be it.

Mark_S

any chance of catching a scan of it?

[Mark_S]

any chance of catching a scan of it?

Most of the boxes are burried at the moment, but I'll make a note and as I organize things I'll keep an eye out for it.

Mark_S

[TheAmazingSpidey]

any chance of catching a scan of it?

I've got you guys covered:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/7000/6211/6211-46281-1-fantastic-four_400.jpg



http://www.comicvine.com/comic/fantastic-four/6211/46281/&i=3804

[Kirk G]

Yea, it was Reed in Doom's body and he was slowly being turned into Doom.

Mark_S

In an odd way, it harkened back to the first body switch story from FF #10... way back in 1962, when Dr. Doom returned from outer space after learning the technique of switching bodies from the Ovids. He amushes Reed when he arrives at Stan and Jack's offices to discuss the next several FF issues (yes, they were written into the story as if they were publishing the fantasy version of real adventures) and Doom switches bodies with Reed JUST BY CONCENTRATING.

*Unfortunately, he forgets how to do this by the time DD #39 comes around, so he needs a machine to accomplish it with DD, but that's another story.

**However, this comes in really handy in John Byrnes' run, when a petrified Doom must escape his body before being fried alive, and swaps with a by-stander to acquire a new body. His original is destroyed, along with the scared face and everything.

Anyway, Doom in Reed's body goes to the FF and warns them that Doom is back and going to try to trick them into believing that Reed is dangerous, etc.

In a great job of writing character and dialog, Stan and Jack convey that it really IS reed trying to warn the rest of the team, despite their attacks. Doom as Reed disarms the armor, pointing out disintegrator guns built into the fingers, and other things only Doom woould know.

Finally, Reed (DOOM) says the only permanent way to be rid of Doom is to shrink him down to nothingness, like this circus elephant I just happen to have... Meanwhile, the team is getting uneasy, cause Reed is sounding more like Doom, and Dr. Doom has done nothing but plead with them and sound more concerned and altruistic like Reed.

The Torch arranges for a mirage of the TNT being used down the block on a construction site to appear in their midst (don't ask!) and Reed (Doom) tries to slither away up a pipe, while DOOM (Reed) jumps on the stick to protect the others in the room. Doom is now caught by his own self-serving nature, and while the team surrounds him, he looses his concentration, and the process reverses. He attempts to blast them, but stumbles back into the shrinking ray, supposedly never to be seen again.

[Mark_S]

I've got you guys covered:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/7000/6211/6211-46281-1-fantastic-four_400.jpg



http://www.comicvine.com/comic/fantastic-four/6211/46281/&i=3804

Sue doesn't exactly come off as looking inocent in that does she? :) Can you imagine Jessica Alba in that pose?

Thanks for the scan.

Mark_S

[Mark_S]

In an odd way, it harkened back to the first body switch story from FF #10... way back in 1962, when Dr. Doom returned from outer space after learning the technique of switching bodies from the Ovids. He amushes Reed when he arrives at Stan and Jack's offices to discuss the next several FF issues (yes, they were written into the story as if they were publishing the fantasy version of real adventures) and Doom switches bodies with Reed JUST BY CONCENTRATING.

*Unfortunately, he forgets how to do this by the time DD #39 comes around, so he needs a machine to accomplish it with DD, but that's another story.

**However, this comes in really handy in John Byrnes' run, when a petrified Doom must escape his body before being fried alive, and swaps with a by-stander to acquire a new body. His original is destroyed, along with the scared face and everything.

Anyway, Doom in Reed's body goes to the FF and warns them that Doom is back and going to try to trick them into believing that Reed is dangerous, etc.

In a great job of writing character and dialog, Stan and Jack convey that it really IS reed trying to warn the rest of the team, despite their attacks. Doom as Reed disarms the armor, pointing out disintegrator guns built into the fingers, and other things only Doom woould know.

Finally, Reed (DOOM) says the only permanent way to be rid of Doom is to shrink him down to nothingness, like this circus elephant I just happen to have... Meanwhile, the team is getting uneasy, cause Reed is sounding more like Doom, and Dr. Doom has done nothing but plead with them and sound more concerned and altruistic like Reed.

The Torch arranges for a mirage of the TNT being used down the block on a construction site to appear in their midst (don't ask!) and Reed (Doom) tries to slither away up a pipe, while DOOM (Reed) jumps on the stick to protect the others in the room. Doom is now caught by his own self-serving nature, and while the team surrounds him, he looses his concentration, and the process reverses. He attempts to blast them, but stumbles back into the shrinking ray, supposedly never to be seen again.

Ah, the good old days :)

mark_S

[Iron_Stark]

If Namor DID hook up with Sue, he would have mentioned it to Reed during one of the many verbal bouts they've had with each other.

The key to the sexual tension between Namor and Sue (much like the tension between 616 Logan and Jean Grey) is that they NOT hook up. It's forbidden fruit... once you go there, the mystery of "will they won't they" basically dries up.

ok, whatever, a Prince of a kingdom that she's lusted over for years invites her over A LOT of times, and you mean to tell me she's not going to have payback sex with him, after getting pissed off at nerdy Richards. riiiiight :rolleyes:

by now, it's not will they or won't they, it's "When will they agian, and when will Reed find out".

whether you think they've hooked up before or not, you still have to admit she's a horrible mother to be abandoning her kids like she so often does.

[XPac]

ok, whatever, a Prince of a kingdom that she's lusted over for years invites her over A LOT of times, and you mean to tell me she's not going to have payback sex with him, after getting pissed off at nerdy Richards. riiiiight :rolleyes:

by now, it's not will they or won't they, it's "When will they agian, and when will Reed find out".

whether you think they've hooked up before or not, you still have to admit she's a horrible mother to be abandoning her kids like she so often does.

Contrary to what you may not, not every person experiencing marital problems will have payback sex. And as I said, if they had Namor would have mentioned it long long ago to Richards.

[ronnieramone]

Contrary to what you may not, not every person experiencing marital problems will have payback sex. And as I said, if they had Namor would have mentioned it long long ago to Richards.

Wasn't there a very strong hint of what goes on between Namor and Sue in New Avengers: Illuminati #4? Something where Reed says (about Sue) " Oh, I know where she goes..." and then he scowls across at Namor.

Then Namor chews him out for being a crappy husband, almost gloatingly.

It's a pretty intense scene, but it seems very possible that with a backdrop of "the fate of the universe constantly hanging in the balance" for Reed and Sue's relationship, that they simply don't care about infedelity. Maybe it just doesn't seem like that big a deal to them in the context of the inter-galactic threats they face. And certainly Reed is such a brain, that he may not think with his heart enough to really feel jealousy the way most people do. And doesn't Reed have a woman from his past whom he sees from time to time?

Marvel could never come out and say it if it were the case, but I wonder if Reed and Sue aren't the equivalent of superhero swingers.

[Mark_S]

Wasn't there a very strong hint of what goes on between Namor and Sue in New Avengers: Illuminati #4? Something where Reed says (about Sue) " Oh, I know where she goes..." and then he scowls across at Namor.

Then Namor chews him out for being a crappy husband, almost gloatingly.

It's a pretty intense scene, but it seems very possible that with a backdrop of "the fate of the universe constantly hanging in the balance" for Reed and Sue's relationship, that they simply don't care about infedelity. Maybe it just doesn't seem like that big a deal to them in the context of the inter-galactic threats they face. And certainly Reed is such a brain, that he may not think with his heart enough to really feel jealousy the way most people do. And doesn't Reed have a woman from his past whom he sees from time to time?

Marvel could never come out and say it if it were the case, but I wonder if Reed and Sue aren't the equivalent of superhero swingers.

Unlikely. Or at least I won't buy it without a direct panel showing Sue and Namor in bed together.

Mark_S

[Iron_Stark]

Unlikely. Or at least I won't buy it without a direct panel showing Sue and Namor in bed together.

Mark_S


Yet you buy stuff that Tony doesn't do and assume he'd do it off panel. :rolleyes:

Please, Namor's already tapped that ass plenty of times, Marvel doesn't want to show it on panel because there're still a lot of adolesents that buy these books and don't want to send the wrong message, kinda how they didn't want to divorce Parker, but had him make a deal with the devil.

If FF was a MAX book, I guarantee they'd be showing Sue and Namor having a smoke in bed.

[XPac]

Yet you buy stuff that Tony doesn't do and assume he'd do it off panel. :rolleyes:

Please, Namor's already tapped that ass plenty of times, Marvel doesn't want to show it on panel because there're still a lot of adolesents that buy these books and don't want to send the wrong message, kinda how they didn't want to divorce Parker, but had him make a deal with the devil.

If FF was a MAX book, I guarantee they'd be showing Sue and Namor having a smoke in bed.

Marvel can show that people have had sex on panel... they have. And they can certainly have Namor say he has if they choose.

Ultimately this converstion can go around and around with you saying they have simply because you think they have. But it's never been shown or said, and there's really not an ounce of proof to back up your statements. It's just specuation from someone that believes she's worse than a crack whore... which (no offense) demonstartes an obvious level of bias which makes it hard to take your view as seriously as I wish I could.

[Iron_Stark]

Sure they can show panels of people after they've had sex, but I doubt they want to show panels of Sue having an extramarital affair. They don't want to ruin her clean wholesome image to the young girls that buy the book mainly for her.

Put the FF in a MAX book and I guarantee, Sue would be on the next episode of Cheaters.

[XPac]

Sure they can show panels of people after they've had sex, but I doubt they want to show panels of Sue having an extramarital affair. They don't want to ruin her clean wholesome image to the young girls that buy the book mainly for her.

Put the FF in a MAX book and I guarantee, Sue would be on the next episode of Cheaters.

I agree that they wouldn't want to ruin Sue's clean wholesome image... which is exactly why I don't think she would sleep with Namor in the first place.

[Mark_S]

I agree that they wouldn't want to ruin Sue's clean wholesome image... which is exactly why I don't think she would sleep with Namor in the first place.

Sue and Namor... no. Even when she was Malice. I can suspect Tony of stuff off panel because I base it on what I know of his character, I really don't see much in Sue's character that points toward adultery. Or Reed's for that matter. I'd say there is as much evidence of Sue having an affair with Namor as there is Sue having an affair with Janet Van Dyne.

Besides, why would she go for Namor when Dr. Doom is around?

Mark_S

[Iron_Stark]

Sue and Namor... no. Even when she was Malice. I can suspect Tony of stuff off panel because I base it on what I know of his character, I really don't see much in Sue's character that points toward adultery. Or Reed's for that matter. I'd say there is as much evidence of Sue having an affair with Namor as there is Sue having an affair with Janet Van Dyne.

Besides, why would she go for Namor when Dr. Doom is around?

Mark_S

I wouldn't put it past her if Doom has tapped that ass as well, I mean he did in the movie.

You don't see much in Sue's character that point to adultery? LMAO, you're in denial. They've both lusted for each other for years and she's run to his arms many times. What do you think they do when she abandons her kids and goes to Namors palace? Talk about world events? Sleep in separate rooms? hahahaha, they're gonna ****!

[XPac]

I wouldn't put it past her if Doom has tapped that ass as well, I mean he did in the movie.

You don't see much in Sue's character that point to adultery? LMAO, you're in denial. They've both lusted for each other for years and she's run to his arms many times. What do you think they do when she abandons her kids and goes to Namors palace? Talk about world events? Sleep in separate rooms? hahahaha, they're gonna ****!

Sue would only do that if that's what the writers wanted her to do. And again, you said it yourself... why would marvel want to ruin her clean cut image?

[jackolover]

Just for your interest, a few locations where Skrulls have been active, just in books since SI #6

SI #6 Central Park
Inhumans #3 Kree Airspace
Run/YA #3 NY
X-Men #2 San Francisco
Thor #2 Colorado
IM DoS #33 Earth Orbit
GOG #5 "Knowhere" Deep Space
MA #18 Helicarrier above earth - Retro
Cap Brt #5 England
BP #41 Wakanda
SH #33 Detroit
TB #124 Washington DC
AI #17 Camp Hammond
NA #45 Genosha - Retro
Nova #17 Pegasus Upstate NY
Deadpool #2 Cheyenne Mountain Colorado
SM #2 NY
Ms Marvel #31 Maine
PWJ #24 Greybox Facility 17, NY

Just in this bunch of Books, we have 3 secret locations, Grey, Chey, Peg, and there are 2 locations in Colorado. SI #6 mentions Israel, and Attalan on the Moon. The extent of the Skrulls reach even goes as far as the realm of the Gods, in Hercules' book, and the Savage Land. You can count Hawaii, also.

As far as a Marvel event is concerned, you have to wonder if there has been anything stretched over such a vast a tableau as Secret Invasion.

[Shyft]

Sue would only do that if that's what the writers wanted her to do. And again, you said it yourself... why would marvel want to ruin her clean cut image?

because dirty underwater fish sex is what all the hip young cats are after these days.

[celticguy]

because dirty underwater fish sex is what all the hip young cats are after these days.

this is just distrubing.

I don't think Namor would sleep with a married woman. He seems to have astrict moral code in some areas. Now back in the Sue Storm days maybe.

But honestly how could anyone compete with Mr. Fantastic. With his abilities and brain figuring out all the angles to use them seem like a hard act to follow.

[Tremnar]

because dirty underwater fish sex is what all the hip young cats are after these days.

Sue prefers it underwater, that way she can't get pregnant. Always worked for me. At least as far as i know.